lore-discussion

[brittle siren]

though "make friend" with Lotus is strange since she mind controlling us while killing Erra

[modern steppe]

the cohesion of the story in terms of updates and connections really only picked up when like, Duviri released

prior to that it was close to the previous updates at best and haphazard at worst

[brittle siren]

also is it strange that the OP said "I had a friend. Like me"
How Adis even alike to OP? Does Adis have void power?

[rich quail]

I think as in they’re both juvenile

Two children being trained for war

[modern steppe]

yeah let's not forget that the Operator is still a child

and the entire fight they did with Excal and Hunhullus was somehow playfighting for them

[tall echo]

One as a weapon one as a medic(???)

[rich quail]

Idk In the gameplay demo Adis lowkey did nothing 💔

[tall echo]

They "revived" a sentient and tried to heal the other one

[rich quail]

True

[modern steppe]

and that apparentl the lullaby is sung by them

[rich quail]

That too I did notice

Btw if you didn’t notice, the big mind controlled sentient the operator kills at the end of the demo is also a juvenile sentient like adis

I’m pretty sure the separatist are trying to wedge a gap between the Tenno and sentients by turning them on each other

[eager dragon]

Huh?

How do we know that?

[rich quail]

Adis takes off her mask and she has the same face, as well as the same underdeveloped translucent arms

Or I think adis is a he idk

[modern steppe]

I think that's obvious enough given Aldis reaction. The more concerning part is who's behind all this?

it can't simply be the Anarch, she seems to be just a figurehead or general

[rich quail]

The separatist Rusalka wannabe

[eager dragon]

I assumed the eyes were normal for a Sentient to be honest

[modern steppe]

there's likely a larger entity at work behind the scenes for the Separatists to even exist as a faction

not to mention that the Dax are part of it as well

[steel compass]

Vomvalyst face

[rich quail]

Dooku,,,

[eager dragon]

My guess is that it's someone in the Seven, to be honest, probably someone with beef with Ballas

[steel compass]

It's Ballas

[lean garden]

we know who

its the same dingus who shows his ugly mug in a holo

[steel compass]

It's just Ballas.

Bro wanted the war

[modern steppe]

oh of course

[lean garden]

its always ballas

[modern steppe]

why did I expect anything different

[steel compass]

He hated the orokin and the tenno

Like 99% of the BS we deal in game is Ballas, 0.9% wally and the rest entrati

[modern steppe]

well er actually if it wasn't for Entrati we wouldn't have existed in teh first place

so technically it's the other way around

🤓 ☝️

[rich quail]

Entrati and ballas and Wally

The main 3

[eager dragon]

I don't think so. Ballas was consistently shown to "side" with the Sentients more than the orokin (for his own gains obviously) - he secretly was behind them in the first place, the vitruvian for Hunhow, he easily took control of them for Narmer, and he is seemingly the "face" of this treaty in the first place. Honestly, I think Ballas wants this peace, for whatever selfish reasons.

[meager wyvern]

The last part is referring to Captain Vor ❤️

[eager dragon]

Also it would be really boring from a narrative stand point to make him the villain again.

[rich quail]

Yeahhh I doubt ballas will be a massive focus, ofc he’s gonna be there but more out of necessity

I think we’ll just have to wait and see

This is all brand new stuff we didn’t know about so it’s hard to theorize

[steel compass]

Honestly, valid point

[eager dragon]

I could be wrong but I really hope it's one of the 2 remaining members of the Seven we haven't seen yet.

[steel compass]

No orokin would waste their gold on something they think as lesser

So maybe caliban prime is ballas's way of showing he likes the sentients

[rich quail]

Void lugger,,,

[steel compass]

Not the hard R here

[modern steppe]

tbh given how Daklo reacted, I think that's just his viewpoint lmfao

[rich quail]

Daklo is just racist

[modern steppe]

I don't think he's exactly applicable to the Orokin as a whole, given that he's a cephalon and all

[meager wyvern]

Daklo could of been calling both the Operator and Adis that, if Adis truly is Void-Touched

[modern steppe]

my unserious headcanon is that they made him into a racist cephalon just for the sake of it

[rich quail]

He’s evil ordis

[strange plinth]

it would be really funny, tbf
random racist cephalon

[rich quail]

Also lowkey I hope we get to change ordis’ appearance like with the lotus

[eager dragon]

To be honest I don't think the Orokin would waste their gold, though, on something they didn't see as belonging wholly to them. Would be rather in-character.

[rich quail]

So you can have orokin vessel, daklo, formless cephalon

[eager dragon]

Yes, please, I want cube ordis back!

[rich quail]

I want floof ordis

[meager wyvern]

Ordan Karris unsheaths Nikana

[rich quail]

Ermmmm traps your brain in my Amazon Alexa

[meager wyvern]

Ordis Glitching Sounds

https://tenor.com/view/ordis-warframe-haha-warframe-ordis-warframe-haha-gif-20500297

[rich quail]

We should’ve turned ballas into a cephalon and put him in a fridge or smthn

[strange plinth]

nihil 2

[rich quail]

Turn everyone you don’t like into cephalons

[eager dragon]

I mean, that's kinda what the Orokin already did

[rich quail]

We need to start doing it again

[modern steppe]

do you want to let Nihil out though?

[rich quail]

For shits and gigs yeah,,,

[strange plinth]

he'll get bored again eventually
then he can just tell us

[steel compass]

We can just use the vitrica without him

[modern steppe]

well we can glass them, not necessarily turn into Cephalons

Nihil probably knows the ins and outs of doing so

[steel compass]

Call eleanor

He doesn't have to cooperate

We can just split his mind open

[meager wyvern]

Only fitting punishment for Ballas would of been to turn him into a Warframe.

[rich quail]

Ooh true

Make him Loki so he’s not even a good warframe

[steel compass]

We need him umbra'd

One burning, lasting memory

[frosty cargo]

Well he would be stronger no?

Any warframe is stronger than he in his prime was

[frosty cargo]

Also we can see what happened when warframes have one burning memory

Being extremly violent and uncontrolable

[eager dragon]

I dunno, sounds kinda fun

[strange turtle]

Lock him in a pit with the Myrmidon and Lephantis

[frosty cargo]

Ooo a fight club

Hell yeah

[modest iron]

Random comment in a deranged discussion below the demo.
This comment made me laugh so hard, someone was very oblivious 😛

Or made a very good joke

[eager dragon]

and they were just roomates /j

[woven saddle]

As an aside, the demo gave very "Loid is our Dad now" vibes. He seems to care about our wellbeing, so wholesome.

[meager wyvern]

Given that hes part sentient now, and that Excalibur is based on the mythical blade "Excaliber" and its evil twin was named "Caliburn" very similar and i believe an inspiration behind Caliban, he should become Caliban Umbra.

[modest iron]

Yes, that thread

[tall echo]

Caliban is named after a character from a shookethpear play

[tall echo]

Just let me into the oubliette

[meager wyvern]

Love Oubliette's ❤️ Also it could still be both ❤️

[tall echo]

I want to beat the crap out of nihil

[deft coyote]

Am I the only one who got "Loid is my granddad now" vibes XD

[woven saddle]

Also 100% valid.

[steel compass]

Granddad Loid and Hunhow

Uncle Stalker and Erra

Cousins, the Cavia and Stalker son/daughter

[deft coyote]

Uncle Erra is going through it rn

[steel compass]

Bro i swear, DE...

give me a way to heal Erra and my credit card is yours

[deft coyote]

Hang in there Uncle Erra, we're coming for you

[eager dragon]

And technically Ballas is the abusive dad

[steel compass]

Just deck him out with a lawsuit

mama lotus gets her child support and we get away from him

[digital echo]

this is why Ballas was so hellbent to get to Tau, to avoid paying alimony

[steel compass]

He is just like Vergil fr

[next scroll]

Anyone feel like we gonna get some vessel vs sentient hummulus action?

I feel like that's where we are heading, but also a warframe seems to adequately rival a hummulus so idk

[north jolt]

"They were very close friends"

[untold lion]

Bringing back the Necramech and Archgun play

[next scroll]

archmelee screams from the void

[untold lion]

Albert used that to get Wally’s finger so it still has some relevance

[tulip axle]

used what exactly? seriglass? All I remember is that he wrote to Euleria to close the gate so Wally wouldn't come in at once and that's when wally's finger got cut, hah, may be misremembering it now that I think about it

[untold lion]

I was 100% memeing

[untold lion]

This post is a joke

[tulip axle]

lol, my bad, literally thought there was more on to that part of the story as in getting the finger, cloning it (or replicating it somehow) and other shenanigans Albrecht might've done

[spiral orchid]

does anyone have the pic of the lotus eyes ?

[topaz axle]

https://tenor.com/view/devil-may-cry-dante-angry-gif-13322659

[strange turtle]

They were roommates for a while. Even used to sit close in their hot tub. They hid from Albrecht’s family for a while for some reason after they moved in together though, must’ve had a bad argument.

[pine orchid]

I found the thingy of Palimpsest of Time :o
my first time seeing it in game

[untold lion]

No problem!

[raw frigate]

Since we're getting Caliban Prime, is it now possible to get a Paracesis Prime?

[lean garden]

Not only is the paracesis rather unrelated to the caliban creation process, its a whole new weapon designed by ballas in the present day

[raw frigate]

Oh I thought it was older my bad. I also only asked because it's a weapon made for killing sentients. And people always said a Caliban Prime would be impossible

[woven coyote]

People have often been wrong

[silk atlas]

People said that about literally any vaguely weird Warframe

You'd think they'd shut up after Nidus, Harrow, Xaku and Revenant all proved them wrong

[glacial bough]

God the amount of Nidus takes I've fought

[barren ember]

The only one that doesn't make sense to me still really is valkyr

[tall echo]

Angry cat prime

Valkyr is never named in the trailer

[tacit jackal]

Our sweet gay grandpa :,))

To contrast his husband sending us on a crazy mission lol

[tall echo]

Saying that as if loid didn't also do that

[spice spade]

After completed duviri and new war i still don’t understand the paradox

[high nexus]

Real

[modest iron]

Yes, too close. So close that they were inside each other. 😛

Negative distance

[tacit jackal]

Loid was at least a bit nicer about it

[strange plinth]

drifter can't escape duviri without help from operator
operator can't help drifter without knowing about them, which they can't unless drifter is already out
that's the paradox

[tall echo]

It's a very simple paradox tbh

[tacit jackal]

The paradox is the friends we made along the way

(This is a joke; not sure how to articulate it honestly)

[tall echo]

Technically correct

[tulip axle]

and it was all part of Ballas's plan, he just had to, you know, screw everything, jade-delete margulis, mind control(ish) Natah and kick lotus around while creating a cult for his ego, you know, basic executor stuff

[north jolt]

Tbh I don't think his scheming against the Orokin came about until after Margulis's death

[jaunty oasis]

It was probably germinating for awhile in his head and margulis was just the last straw

[fallen fog]

I wonder how much of the timeline splitting is just a natural part of the universe being revealed to us (eternalism and stuff) and how much is potentially being influenced by Wally's own mind. If the void can manifest thoughts/concepts into reality, then could a being of the void, extremely focused on the loss of one or more fingers or other parts, have caused the universe/timelines/etc.. to react accordingly?

If Wally isn't just the void itself, in that case then what would happen if that thing which manifests concepts and thoughts into reality starts stressing over itself being split apart

[odd prairie]

so if 1999 is set in pseudo-europe

what place do you think wisp proto will be from? their equivalant of france?

[frosty cargo]

Italy

Cause she is a nun

And stuff

[odd prairie]

isnt her accent french tho

[humble sierra]

Her name is Marie Leroux

Harrow is Father Lyon Allard

[frosty cargo]

Ah, so this easiely checks out that she is from france

[humble sierra]

We didn't too much dialogue from them either, but it did sound like they had french accents

[odd prairie]

i just wonder what france is in their version of the planet

is all

[frosty cargo]

I mean Leroux strongly suggest france

Same as Lyon

[humble sierra]

Yeah but Warframe's Earth doesn't seem to have IRL countries

The US of America is the US of Libertatia, for example

Japan is Jipangu

[frosty cargo]

So any idea how france could be called?

[odd prairie]

i like when alternate earths make weird names

[humble sierra]

Francia maybe, but that's one they used IRL (and still use?)

[odd prairie]

also interesting she keeps the no feet thing

maybe she lost her feet in war or during her injection

[humble sierra]

I think Russia was called Rus, not sure if that's short for something

[frosty cargo]

Funny if its just really the name of russia

Where are you comming from ?
Rus.

[humble sierra]

It would be interesting if she was an Amputee-- Quincy is too, and the Helminth made one of his prosthetics stronger

[odd prairie]

qunicy is an amputeee?!

it never came up in any of his kim messages

[frosty cargo]

I dont think she is a amputee

[odd prairie]

well her feet are made of gold

[humble sierra]

Unlike Wisp it doesn't seem to be "stubs" per say

They're more flat, so she could theoretically walk on them if needed, I think

[frosty cargo]

Oh yeah

[odd prairie]

they seem to be unnatural still

[proper barn]

Okay whats funny to me talking about Stubs is Prime Caliban

Losses his 1 real foot.

[odd prairie]

caliban is all stubs

[frosty cargo]

But she is enlighted by the holy spirit so she just floats

[proper barn]

Now he has 2 Stick feet

[proper barn]

Not normal claiban

He has 1 real foot

[frosty cargo]

Wait really?

[odd prairie]

i mean look at normal sentients so makes sense his prime wouldnt have them

[proper barn]

@frosty cargo

1 real foot 1 stick.

[odd prairie]

he has hands so he can hold guns

[proper barn]

His prime will have 2 STICKS

[frosty cargo]

Oh yeah cool

[humble sierra]

Quincy vs. Cyte

[proper barn]

Prime also has a OPEN head and not a little guy in it.

[odd prairie]

i never noticed his arm is artifical

damn poor guy

[proper barn]

I do his prime look more btw

[odd prairie]

it looks regal

[proper barn]

Its just funny the differences

[frosty cargo]

Btw Proto Harrow could have some really funny Voicelines when transforming

[odd prairie]

caliban getting a sniper is a choice

[proper barn]

It's a sentient sniper btw

[frosty cargo]

Like its time to recieve some holy spirit

[proper barn]

A weapon typer don't have

[odd prairie]

yeah but i never saw him as the sniper type

[proper barn]

I mean kinda get it

[odd prairie]

more a rapid fire pew pew person

but a new prime weapon is cool no matter what

[humble sierra]

Don't think there's any chats for it, but there was this concept art?

[proper barn]

I guess I am thinking about it from like a "he summons his sentients and then he snipes the enemies drawn to them

[frosty cargo]

Its a reference on idolon hunting i think

[odd prairie]

that makes sense then

[proper barn]

God Eidolons suck so much less now

You don't have to use a terrible sniper

[odd prairie]

but you can

[woven coyote]

Also cc on 2nd

[odd prairie]

we should have gotten hildryn protoform

[quiet canopy]

I wonder, with the whole ending of Jade Shadows, could we be seeing the rise of the next generation of warframes soon? Ones that are effectively their own species or fully autonomous and sentient, free from any trauma that could have come with past frames?

[kindred canyon]

One of my friends thinks Adis is some kinda proto ropalolyst. I really don't see it outside of some similarities in the wings. Any one see something I don't?

[quiet canopy]

I don't see it, at the most I see them being related to Hunhow and even that might be a stretch

[north jolt]

So her feet aren't trapped in some parallel dimension or whatever is going on with regular Wisp

[odd prairie]

wisp doesnt need feet

[north jolt]

But feet need Wisp

[quiet canopy]

Wisp with feet might honestly be weird for me'

[kindred canyon]

At the very least I think she'd need to either be sitting or floating at all times

[quiet canopy]

Anyway, I do hope get to see a new generation of frames in the future thanks to Jade's hard work. The idea of a faction of autonomous Frames with Stalker and their kid in it sounds fun to me.

[gloomy cloak]

frames were autonomous at one point, but it didn't end well

[humble sierra]

Heavily implied that's because of how the Orokin made them

[eternal condor]

A Sentient that heals Sentients? I can think of a couple of em that need healing.

[gloomy cloak]

indeed

[eternal condor]

I can just imagine choosing to heal Hunhow and Loid yelling "What!? You can't be serious, Tenno!" 🤣

[kindred canyon]

Tbf, the orokin ruin basically everything they do

[kindred canyon]

I think he deserves to be let out of the depths lol. Dudes been nothing but chill and helpful

[quiet canopy]

I mean, with how Hunhow seems to be currently, it might not be the worst idea...hopefully

[kindred canyon]

At worst he'll probably just go on a journey back to Tau or something

[quiet canopy]

That or the Corpus, Infested or Grineer decide to get involved for some dumb evil plot

[kindred canyon]

I think the grineer might have learned their lesson messing with him. Maybe it's the corpus' turn now lol

[restive river]

Goodluck getting Hunhow unstuck lol

[kindred canyon]

And have we seen the sentients and infested interact much?

[quiet canopy]

I don't think so? But we could

[restive river]

Technically warframes

But there was the infested bomb belric and rania used against them

[quiet canopy]

Ah yes

[kindred canyon]

Were those the citrine characters? I can't remember

[restive river]

Yes

[quiet canopy]

yes

[north jolt]

I got a F250 with a tow cable

[kindred canyon]

Lmao

[restive river]

He’s at the bottom of an ocean lol

[kindred canyon]

I'm sure a railjack has some pretty good horsepower too if needed

[north jolt]

I got plenty of tow cable

[restive river]

Yeah
We’re saving grandpa

[eternal condor]

I'm all for this

[kindred canyon]

I bet you could drop an atlas and let them sink and they could probably knock out a good chunk of anything blocking his way out

[restive river]

Maybe!

[quiet canopy]

At some point we need a quest where the whole messed up fam just has like lunch together or something

[eternal condor]

Since our theme as of late has been mending broken ties, families, and strengthening bonds... It does seem natural

[kindred canyon]

Fr. Hunhow needs to spend some time with his daughter

[eternal condor]

Yes!

[kindred canyon]

Where they aren't trying to kill each other or something

[quiet canopy]

Hmmm, we might need to designate a zone of empty space then, in case crap starts exploding

[restive river]

Operator, Drifter, Lotus and her multiple personalities, Hunhow, Erra, Ordis, Teshin and maybe Grandma’s corpse

[kindred canyon]

Lmao.

[eternal condor]

And now we're specifically introducing a healer of Sentients and I'm thinking this is very specific, right?

[quiet canopy]

Dangit, who is grandma again?

[kindred canyon]

Only question is if Adis survived that long or if other sentients can heal as well

[restive river]

Well we don’t know if Adis can heal void damage yet ):

[restive river]

Praghasa, Balls used her corpse to try and eat the sun to go to Tau

We have never heard her speak cause she died

Iirc during the old war?

[kindred canyon]

Something like that

[quiet canopy]

Oh

[eternal condor]

Well, going by the theme of mending connections and making new ones, 2026 may be the making amends part

[kindred canyon]

She'd been rebuilding herself since then but I don't think her personality and stuff was still alive

[restive river]

The new peace :)

[eternal condor]

Yup

[odd prairie]

dont give the sentients a healing unit

[restive river]

She’s dead but her body is still “operational” if that makes sense

[odd prairie]

the adaption mechanic is pain enough

[kindred canyon]

Lol

ATM it seems like an ability unique to Adis

[restive river]

There’s only one so far lol

[quiet canopy]

There is always room for more pain...and grind

[restive river]

Like not even a unit
Bro is just singular as far as we know

[eternal condor]

It helps if they are with us and not against us

[odd prairie]

i know but they might give it to other units down the line

[restive river]

Maybe
In which case we may get more ways to fight against sentients

[kindred canyon]

Eh. I doubt it. They've already got healing through leech eximus

[restive river]

Which uh
Tau damage mods or weapons are def coming

[kindred canyon]

Those will be fun

[odd prairie]

sentients should be purged from the galaxy

[restive river]

Adis def seems like a special case btw

[odd prairie]

they ruin my fire build

[kindred canyon]

Lmao

[restive river]

Why
They’re victims

[kindred canyon]

They really are

[restive river]

They’re is just an Orokin
Get em!

[odd prairie]

they also shoot lasers at us

[eternal condor]

Grineer and Sentients have the saddest history

We shoot lasers too

[restive river]

Yeah lol

[odd prairie]

but were the good guys cause we said so

[restive river]

Yeah the time some Grineer killed a sentient with a shovel was really sad

[kindred canyon]

And they only even came back cause they knew how awful the orokin were

[restive river]

We were forced against them by the bad guys

[quiet canopy]

Mos tfactions sans grineer and infested have lasers...unless we count jade eximus units

[restive river]

And that just hasn’t changed

[odd prairie]

the arca plasmore shoots glass

[kindred canyon]

Huh?

[restive river]

Isn’t that a crystal?

[kindred canyon]

No it shoots an energy wave

[odd prairie]

glass is a crystal

it shoots an energy wave that solidifies into glass/crystal

to deal more damage

cause just being burned isnt enough

[kindred canyon]

Ain't nothing bout glass anywhere

[odd prairie]

i was thinking of the exergis

thats the crystal shotgun

oh radiation crystals

jesus christ give them a chance corpus

[kindred canyon]

Lol. Corpus do have some funny weapons

[quiet canopy]

Capitalism demans brutal efficiency

[humble sierra]

Astilla shoots glass too

[odd prairie]

wouldnt efficency be killing them quickly

if you somehow survive the crsyals in your skin your skin melts

and you start shootign your friends cause radiation causes mental illness

still i hate sentients with an irrational passion cause they just wont die

[proper barn]

Yours wont?

There's so many ways to reset their damage now.

[kindred canyon]

Could always just pop into operator for like 1 second and poke em with your amp. Completely free and no build required

I think it's easier to just ignore the adaptation and blast through them tho lol

[odd prairie]

any second i am not burning something is a second wasted

feed the holy fire

cleansing sol

[normal mountain]

I used to stand next to them with Dagath
And cast Wyrd Scythes
If they survive that, poking them once or twice with almost any weapon would usually finish the job

If they particularly annoyed me, I'd Doom them and have them trampled by Rakhali's Cavalry

[kindred canyon]

The only real annoying sentients are the ones with the little tubes on their sides

[normal mountain]

Aerolysts
ptooh

[woven coyote]

You reset their damage?

[swift sentinel]

I'm going to say not, the Cutscene made a point of using Exalted Blade over the Nikana.

[runic bronze]

ive been thinking

people have been excusing the old peace tau as another alternative universe and were gonna have ANOTHER operator paradox version because whatever the hell

but here's the thing

in the trailer they specificaly put emphasis that Operator forgot something

even Loid tries to tell us that some things are better left forgoten

[proper barn]

I don't think it's alt universe

Just like 1999 isn't.

[runic bronze]

yeah because it dosent make sense

why would we "forget" another universes past and then not be allowed to learn it

also some people in general chat yesterday were saying this is the world where the Zariman didnt fail

but then we literaly wouldnt have void powers or modern warframes so like

that's an empty theory too

[blissful merlin]

Yea it kinda reminds me of an animus but for our own memories lol

[humble sierra]

Yeah a lot of the wording around it is in reference to memories

https://www.warframe.com/news/the-old-peace-gameplay-demo

The Old Peace Gameplay Demo
Living memories of The Old War coming in 2025

"Coming to all platforms later this year, The Old Peace challenges you to navigate your own alarming memories of devastating battles"

From the Demo itself:

"I had a friend, Loid. Like me."

From the TennoCon magnets:

What do you remember, my child?

Wait

What if that's what VOULL NE XATA VOK, MARA LOHK? translates to

"What do you remember, Void Child?"

[robust kernel]

At first I did thought it was a "what if" reality made with the help of the lotus to kinda try to understand Tau before getting to the real Tau. That was until I remembered the Orokin created the Sentient so it made completely sense that they had them as servants way before the Old War

[eternal condor]

No, it is one history, not multiple

[robust kernel]

It is truly the past, the memories of what happened on Lua or whatever place the operator is

[eternal condor]

The only split is Drifter and he/she is more a paradox existence than two universes

I'm thankful it isn't as convoluted as a multiverse

Shared history, two paths converge

I prefer that XD

Makes lore less icky sticky

We are missing portions of history involving the Old War, and this fits within that gap in memory

[robust kernel]

We aren't missing portions, we are missing the whole thing... So this is really welcomed

[eternal condor]

Agreed 😅

I'm hyper

Hyped too

Little phone big fingers

[sly pagoda]

Yeah they suppressed all our memories of TOW. Perhaps we are about to find out why. Other than limiting our PTSD.

[left oyster]

Tau is another solar system not universe 🥀

[sly pagoda]

Not that the operator and drifter are not already up to their eyeballs in space PTSD.

[left oyster]

Did somebody say eyeballs??

[humble sierra]

The location we see is called Perita

[runic bronze]

do you know what alternative universe means /gen

[left oyster]

Pretty sure

[left oyster]

Oh wait nvm i get what u were sayin now

Had to re read

[runic bronze]

tbh ion blame you for not getting it immediately

alternative universe as a term has been getting so many liberated meanings since like 2020

[runic bronze]

also am i the only one who was more suprised by how her eye scorching looks like rather than getting spooked by the reveal

like i never visualized it as both of her eyesockets being precisely blasted like that

[minor egret]

I want to see other tenno we only had to see rell and a bunch of tenno plasting erra
and maybe thrax I don't remember did teshin mention that he is tenno or not
I want to see new tenno in the old peace quest since they are visiting tau in the old time and in school for tenno and sentient named tauron so there must be other tenno as NPC or at least they should be walking around talking without interacting with us like the people in the relays

[peak ether]

Thrax isn’t a Tenno

[strange plinth]

thrax is a story book character
teshin thinks he's tenno for a bit because he was king of duviri n all that

[peak ether]

He’s just a character from tales of duviri

[minor egret]

it should be a false memory then

[humble sierra]

Could you please elaborate more on what you mean by that?

[minor egret]

some time I just have false memory that isn't right like that

[peak ether]

Yeah pretty much every person in tales of duviri is just a character apart from kullervo (the one you fight is the original frame iirc) and maybe oraxia im not sure about her lore and obv drifter

[minor egret]

got it

[eternal condor]

Okay, shot in the dark prediction here: rebellion is all an Orokin plot to break the treaty so they could have Tau to themselves. Or just... Ballas did it.

[sage moat]

i also think that! and i think it was very specifically ballas who did it

unless we're getting set up for another executor's story

we know tuvul and nihil(?) aren't options but that leaves 4 more to explore that aren't ballas

[eternal condor]

I mean, maybe, two are unaccounted for

But I mean, Ballas seemed to know what he was going to, setting his own sights on Tau in the new war

[viscid aspen]

Do we know what happened to the Operator between Ballas stabbing them and them reappearing like nothing happened in Drifter's place at the camp? Obviously they were in the Void, but it seemed pretty clear Ballas full on killed us with that stab

Also, did Drifter do a deal with Wally to get Void powers too? In the flashback scene the Operator is in the right and the camera spins around as our alternate versions die and Drifter appears where they would be. Was that them doing the same deal with Wally on the left?

[sage moat]

my current theory is that the entire plot from the creation of the sentients to the new war was a power grab from ballas

[eternal condor]

Ooh, he would go to Tau, half Sentient himself, looking like a savior, perhaps.

[sage moat]

ok so the drifter and the operator weren't even different entities until after the deal was made

and the stab didn't kill us --- ballas even knows it doesn't kill us, which is why he also throws us in the void. his plan isn't to kill us, its to "send [us] back to hell"

[sage moat]

he made the sentients
sent them to tau
started the old war
negotiated peace so he could paint himself as "the good one", the sympathetic orokin
broke the treaty to paint his contemporaries as worse than him.
talk with erra and take over the origin system
Head to tau where he is worshipped as the one and only orokin god

the entire plan, which likely lasted well over 1000 years, was for the single goal of turning himself from "one of the gods" to "the god"

that's how utterly and completely egotistical he was. being part of a pantheon wasn't enough

[viscid aspen]

Right. I get that part but its kinda weird to say "i cant kill you" and then showing us a very dead operator lol

[viscid aspen]

Yeah but Drifter didn't have void powers in the present until that scene with Lotus where the flashback happens so the weird time stuff confuses me. Drifter shouldnt have void powers yet they get them anyway

[eternal condor]

@sage moat Yeah, I can see that, I see we're going down a very similar theory path

[lilac aspen]

Drifter did make the same deal but instead was left behind powerless rather than getting void powers like the others

[eternal condor]

Narmer, the savior god of the sentients.

[sage moat]

the handshake aboard the zariman kinda "fused" them? they became more of the same person than they used to be. some implications that they share memories now, and they definitely share void powers

[sage moat]

a deeply pained, unconscious operator. not dead!

[lilac aspen]

As the deal was save “Everyone”
Meaning Wally had some wiggle room there

Hence the different outcomes
Operator and Drifter

[sage moat]

nope! the deal was "save them. All of them"
"them" could mean everyone, or it could mean everyone else

[lilac aspen]

Same difference

I’m just doing Tldrs

[sage moat]

fair fair

TNW was an astoundingly confusing quest that vehemently refused to explain anything

[viscid aspen]

Me rn

[sage moat]

i am personally not a fan of the philosophy they said they had in the writers panel

[viscid aspen]

They shouldve just made Drifter a future Operator 😭

[sage moat]

it summed up to "who cares if they understand so long as they are emotionally affected?"

[lilac aspen]

I mean
They are technically the future operator

Just without powers

[sage moat]

future???? ehhhh???

more biologically aged and prooooobably the same "truthfully" aged if we count cryosleep?

[lilac aspen]

They’re older than the operator in biology and maturity

[sage moat]

correct

[lilac aspen]

Both going on their own arcs of healing

[eternal condor]

Being in Duviri I think slowed the aging though

[lilac aspen]

I think they slowed their aging in the sense of Thrax began to rewind time when they reached the current age they’re at (as that was when the Drifter started to want to leave)

So they were effectively being kept alive eternally to suffer

Compared to the Operator
Who got to sleep for however long

[eternal condor]

Void and time is interesting

[lilac aspen]

Void be Void-Doing

[eternal condor]

😂

[lilac aspen]

Shame the Drifter had to become a Void-LuggeR like the Operator

[eternal condor]

Daklo is a curmudgeon, ain't he?

Oh my

I do hate that Erra getting blasted then coming back never got explained. But hopefully that gap gets filled too.

Also holding out hope for saving Erra too at some later date. Or at the least, coming to some conclusion with it.

[lilac aspen]

Clearly Erra just built different

Tanked those Void Blasts and merely pretended to be dead

[compact phoenix]

that word has the same vibe as clanker

[proper barn]

I mean to be fair it is the same kind of distain I feel like should come from Orokin higher ups. Like they would hate the tenno too powerful too sure of themselves. Like the Soilders love the tenno cus they actually help them but we make the average Orokin leader look bad.

[brittle siren]

technically he did not the one who created Sentient, he just trick other Seven to send them to Tau

[brittle siren]

Actually Erra is dead but Ballas bring him back

because Lotus make sure Erra is dead dead

[swift sentinel]

I can buy that. Do we ever see Erra in the present without the red Kuva-looking balls in his head and chest?

[bright nimbus]

The old peace definitely has to be a different timeline through eternalism not just mysterious past stuff

The warframes wouldn't even exist without the infested which were made to fight the sentients

[swift sentinel]

This is after that

[strange plinth]

what?
infestation wasn't made by the orokin, just weaponized by them
old war still happened, as did all the other stuff. the old peace is just in the middle of the old war, presumably
before hunhow destroys the origin solar rail, but after the tenno were weaponized

[swift sentinel]

The point where it most makes sense right now, is after the Orokin counter invasion of Tau, as described in the Mag Prime Codex.

[glacial bough]

The only point this Old Peace works is after the war has started but before Hunhow made the jump to Origin

[bright nimbus]

I mean time travel has to be involved some point during old peace so its defense not going to only be flashbacks

I mean if they want the new proto frames to be dateable that is

[strange plinth]

its stated explicitly that we're exploring memories

[strange plinth]

no reason that they're not in 1999 too, that i see

[bright nimbus]

They said 1999 was done for now

[swift sentinel]

For now, back then

This is when it comes back

[strange plinth]

and the narrative panel also showed the new proto convos alongside the others. they're using the KIM system.

[swift sentinel]

The Triad might be how we learn to look into the memories of Tau, via the Drifter talking with them.

[strange plinth]

eh
seems more like lotus is leading us there
'hey lotus, albrecht said something about tau' 'oh maybe we can find a way there' or something idk
but that bit is speculation until we get more detail

[bright nimbus]

It be really weird to introduce time travel then the next update explore the past but not travel to it

[swift sentinel]

Yeah, Reb was pretty vague on how the Triad relates The Old Peace.

[bright nimbus]

Plus Harrow is very closely linked to the Zariman and Tenno so just having him be a random priest from the 90s is weird

[strange plinth]

we can't leave the current origin system undefended. that's why operator stays there
drifter's in 1999, keeping the loop in the "good ending," operator has to stay in the time they are. exploring memories is not leaving the system

[bright nimbus]

It already is undefended, we cant do shit to wally

Our best hope is following Entrati and hoping he finds the solution

[strange plinth]

fighting off the murmur is fighting off wally, no?
we're doing what we can

[tall echo]

Love can push him away, that's why isleweaver happened

[strange plinth]

also that ^

[bright nimbus]

The operator and drifter technically both exist in the world right? Like gameplay wise you need to choose but they can be working separately right?

[strange plinth]

they occupy the same "slot" in spacetime

[tall echo]

Not in the same time

[glacial bough]

Only in separate spaces

the new proto effectively HAVE to be in 1999

Just by the fact they're dateable

[normal mountain]

Only place they can do that is the Void
Like where the Zariman is, or half the Sanctum

[bright nimbus]

The really don't have anything on them that looks modern

All the protoframes have some type of modern clothing

[glacial bough]

Not particularly? All the Protos just have clothes

Marie has the nun habit and Lyon with his skirt

[swift sentinel]

Marie is near fully turned, just with the veils, and Lyon seems to suggest that Harrow was based on ancient priest clothes, since his infestation seems limited to his back and a little on his arms.

[bright nimbus]

Isn't that THE tenno writing? Like the old-school early game one?

[strange plinth]

it is orokin script, yes
albrecht has also been in contact with each proto
and hollvanian script is fairly similar to orokin. just more.. blocky rather than slanted and elegant

[bright nimbus]

Honestly its pretty cool and warhammery even separate from the current discussion

[brittle siren]

before Ballas create Narmer and when he assist us

[bright nimbus]

I mean its not like the Kim system needs you to be in 1999, thats the entire point of replacing the the conclave terminal with a computer

I mean the background shows the entrati lab so it could be that staircase leading down to a door is where they are

[tall echo]

Point of that was being able to do 1999 missions

[strange plinth]

drifter is still stuck in 1999 though. and we aren't romancing them with the operator.

[tall echo]

Not stuck

[bright nimbus]

Yeah and the first half will definitely be that

[strange plinth]

stuck in that they have an obligation to keep the loop in the "good end"
not actually stuck, yeah

[brittle siren]

no, there not going to be anything related to time stuff

[bright nimbus]

First half flashbacks second half time travel is all Im saying

[brittle siren]

no?????????????????????

[stiff fable]

no time travel

[tall echo]

Why tho

Nothing hints to time travel

[swift sentinel]

Before Narmer, do you mean the flashback on Lua?

[stiff fable]

The New Peace actually happened in our history

[brittle siren]

can you guy stop coping about time travel or alt reality to justify your OPINION

[bright nimbus]

So they designed a new mission launch point and entirely new hub for 1 quest that won't be used beyond the 2 hour quest?

[brittle siren]

In the prologue of New War when Erra pretend to leash Ballas

[brittle siren]

what

[stiff fable]

nah, we're going to Tau in the present

[brittle siren]

Rebb said the whole arc will split into many chapters/parts

[stiff fable]

So they're going to reuse the location as a hub, just rundown

[tall echo]

There's another tau update in 2026

Present tau likely

[brittle siren]

first one prob the Devil Triad from 1999
second is OP side, where they try to remember Tau

[strange plinth]

what says that we can't continue exploring memories? maybe we get what we need in the quest but can keep going for other stuff
blueprints/weapons/whatever
or its another Hex/Finale situation

[brittle siren]

I mean 24 mins of demo is not gonna show everything, so 2 remaining place would be explore in the actual quest

[bright nimbus]

The solar rail is kinda kablewy

[tall echo]

We figure out a way

[stiff fable]

did you not see the key art?

[bright nimbus]

Through going back in time to when it wasn't destroyed

[brittle siren]

that why we are searching our memory to find a way
Albrecht is presumably there

[tall echo]

No

[stiff fable]

The Warframe:Tau promo shot was the location from the demo, but in ruins

[brittle siren]

remind me to tell DE never hire you in narrative team

[eternal condor]

Added that we are trying to unlock the gaps in our memories.

[stiff fable]

So we're going there in the present

[bright nimbus]

This one?

With the old grineer fighting alive and well?

[stiff fable]

no, from the end of the trailer

[strange plinth]

that's the old peace keyart

[stiff fable]

Yeah

[lean garden]

Imagine, we're just remembering how to build things lol

-# But not your old excal prime LOL

[brittle siren]

Prob Excal Prime was given to us

I doubt that the Tenno know how to replicate frame in Old War, since even from Jade memory, it seem like all Tenno was assign with pre-built frame

[strange plinth]

that makes it funnier
we were assigned excal prime but we lost him

[bright nimbus]

Thats not the old peace update though

[lean garden]

oh this? Im not sure where the idea that this is "ruined" comes from

[stiff fable]

I said Tau

[bright nimbus]

Old peace is winter

[brittle siren]

the egg is missing a part on the top

[bright nimbus]

Im purely talking about the events I think will happen in old peace

[stiff fable]

Tau is going to reuse the elements from Old Peace, but with a thousand years of ruin

[brittle siren]

and the small star is yellow while the big one is blue

[normal mountain]

"Where is thy Excalibur Prime?"
"I'm not sure, I had it around here somewhere."
And the Executioner never spoke to him again

[stiff fable]

I understand that, I'm saying that a bunch of what you're saying is Old Peace is actually meant for the Tau update.

[eternal condor]

Obviously this quest is also something of a teaser for Tau proper in 2026

[normal mountain]

Wish I remembered more of that part, it was funny

[strange plinth]

right, but if the events you claim happen in old peace are contradicted by stuff that's most likely going to happen in Tau, then they can't happen in old peace

[brittle siren]

Adis prob kill Excal Prime

Ballas: For F sake this is the last Excal Prime

[stiff fable]

I wonder if this is what the Prime Vanguard was for

[bright nimbus]

I really think were still getting old tau as a destination

[brittle siren]

also i know we can't get excal prime due to legal reason, but it funny that the Orokin never even put him in regal aya

[stiff fable]

it's not impossible, but why have both?

[bright nimbus]

It would be very bizarre to have THE major update not give a new tileset

[lean garden]

I mean Id imagine we're getting memory Tau

[stiff fable]

I mean, it will have a new tileset, but it'll be used in Tau

[lean garden]

so locked loudouts!!!

[brazen seal]

wasn't the same with the new war tho ?
I don't actually remember

[stiff fable]

Less Whispers, more Prelude to War

[brittle siren]

I mean DE could just put mission in memory too

like Duviri kinda

[normal mountain]

I half headcanon that the Sentients specifically hunted down each Excalibur Prime and deleted them

[stiff fable]

That had Drifter's Camp

[lean garden]

inb4 this is assassins creed but warframe

[stiff fable]

And the Narmerized Cetus/Fortuna

[bright nimbus]

The new war was the transition from the old team to the new

[strange plinth]

get rid of this one in particular

[stiff fable]

that was Veilbreaker actually

That was the first one that Rebb plotted out

[brittle siren]

I would imagine since because Excal Prime was the first Prime, Orokin think they will last long and dont need to put in memory card
But after so many Excal Prime dead, the newer Prime after Excal would be saved in regal aya

[bright nimbus]

Yeah the update directly after new war

A transition if you will

[stiff fable]

no, Veilbreaker was the transition

[tall echo]

Wasn't that aotz

[stiff fable]

Angels was the first major update the "new" team did on their own

VB was the transition update

[bright nimbus]

My point still is every Major update after the new team has followed a formula

[normal mountain]

Hmm
Combine that with my Sentient hunting theory, and I think we have ourselves a fairly solid explanation
Unless DE decides to do something different

[stiff fable]

DE always decides to do something different

[strange plinth]

"drive it like you stole it"

[tall echo]

A preview (quest) and then the actual major thing

[normal mountain]

Until DE decides to do something different, then

[stiff fable]

[eternal condor]

The real question is, will there be a Sentient romance option will we also get the other lore gaps filled in as well?

[stiff fable]

Yes they're going to reveal why there's no dragon Sentient Beast

it's because Chroma ripped off its skin, Valkyr style

[strange plinth]

proto caliban

[normal mountain]

Caliban proto Well, we'll see

[strange plinth]

kinda hoping we see the sentient beasts ngl

[normal mountain]

In their full glory?
That would be cool

[tall echo]

That. Was not the emoji I selected

[eternal condor]

Wait, Sentient Beasts... wasn't that what the Archons originally were?

[stiff fable]

yes

[tall echo]

[eternal condor]

Ooh, would love to see that

[tall echo]

They'd be pretty terrifying I think

[stiff fable]

imagine if Nira talks

[eternal condor]

Would love to hear them actually talk

Instead of Pazuul loving to hear himself talk

[bright nimbus]

That be very cluttered

[tall echo]

"MiSsIoN cOmPlEtE, WeLl DoNe" is hilarious tho

[stiff fable]

Pazuul has a bunch of my favorite lines

[tall echo]

My favorite bit of dialogue will forever be this

[eternal condor]

"Bite my head clean off, mother, so the tiny legs kick kick KICK!" Something like that

[brittle siren]

is this old wiki 😭

[tall echo]

I used it for the screenshot

Ages ago

[stiff fable]

god yeah, first time I heard that I was like "no way that's actually what they said"

[bright nimbus]

It be cool if Ordan Karris was in old peace, the main enemy faction is "Separatists"

Or not main

[tall echo]

The only we've seen so far

[stiff fable]

Ordan... huh actually I wonder

[tall echo]

Ordan would prob be on our side tho

[eternal condor]

We just bump into him in the hallway "stupid kids"

[bright nimbus]

Or this the great crime that got him ceph'd

[stiff fable]

nah, that was him trying to murder Orokin at his "good job killing people for us" party

[tall echo]

We know exactly how and why that happened

[eternal condor]

The great crime that got him ceph'd was attempted assassination of the Orokin

[tall echo]

At a ceremony to make him one as reward for his service

[bright nimbus]

Still the chance of him showing up isn't impossible

[tall echo]

But not as an enemy

[bright nimbus]

That was more just me saying he might get turned in the quest and then given to us

[tall echo]

I'd prefer to see him in combat ngl

[strange plinth]

wonder what stalker's up to at this point
god. there's a good amount we might be able to get in the old peace, huh

[tall echo]

But that is possible

[tall echo]

He's going to tennocon

[brazen seal]

after I saw these guys I was wondering if they are related to the stalker by any chance

[bright nimbus]

Tbh stalker is more interesting in the present than the past, the important bits are already there

[eternal condor]

Pfft, day one release, Stalker has a chance to appear during the Old Peace quest

[strange plinth]

yeah, but a cameo or mention could be cool

[bright nimbus]

I mean his groupies show up in 1999 so

They really dont have any reasonable explanation for that

[brittle siren]

Imagine we could see Jade and pre-Stalker talking together

[eternal condor]

"But I didn't do anything!" "For future crimes!"

[brazen seal]

I do think that just gameplay logic tbh

so players can get steel essence

[strange plinth]

the acolytes are barely canon, tbf
they died in their operation and they're just gameplay now

[bright nimbus]

Theyre probably just specters teshin has/had

[eternal condor]

Stalker still attacking us even though he's got a kid to take care of and no more reason to serve his betrayers: just so people can still get his loot.

[brittle siren]

I mean he prob want to spar us

[glacial bough]

Well he still doesn't like us. Neither him or Hunhow

[eternal condor]

Oh. It showed up.

[brittle siren]

He more like neutral with us, same with Hunhow

[glacial bough]

Things are just more...neutral instead of actively attacking us

[brittle siren]

they no longer hate us

especially Hunhow

I think he starting to sound like an old space grandpa

[glacial bough]

No, they still don't like us. Hunhow said as much he wishes he could still destroy frame when he got that Yareli

[eternal condor]

Watch out, the lore fuhrers don't like character growth. It makes them angy.

[brittle siren]

read carefully

[stiff fable]

I am going to laugh when Hunhow decides to take his shot to kill us before dying

[brittle siren]

also interestingly, when he repeat the title "Great and Terrible", it sound really sad
I think he no longer think he is great and reflect what terrible things he did in the past

[eternal condor]

Some people don't understand tone.

[brittle siren]

me?

[stiff fable]

I think he'd still prefer humanity burned to cinders

[bright nimbus]

Hunhow invites us to his death bed and as hes talking a drone sneaks up behind us

[brittle siren]

I don't even think he even want to anymore

like there is no point

[eternal condor]

You're right to read it with a sad tone, I mean. It is meant to be.

It was exactly how he said it

[brittle siren]

he even suggest Stalker to give up hunting the Tenno himself

[stiff fable]

He makes pretty clear in New War that he wants Natah back, and helping us get Lotus back is because it's better than the alternative

[bright nimbus]

I mean wasn't Hunhows only goal getting Natah back or?

[stiff fable]

no

[brittle siren]

that is New War
Jade Shadow is after New War

he changed a lot

[eternal condor]

He also admitted he's grown sentimental.

[obtuse vine]

wondering how the seperatists have dax in their army when the dax literallly cant fight against the orokin

[stiff fable]

the Orokin are playing every side

[brittle siren]

even Erra change his mind after saw how terrible he is

[strange plinth]

that's the neat part

[bright nimbus]

They can fight against lowly grineer though

[eternal condor]

Well, they aren't fighting the Orokin directly, are they? 😉

[brittle siren]

that rebellion for you lmao

like in Star War, the Rebel is just normie

[brittle siren]

Grineer in Orokin time is really strong lmao

[brazen seal]

grinner prime

[strange plinth]

no clone rot

[brittle siren]

they are healthy, equip with Orokin armor, and have Prime weapon

[bright nimbus]

Yeah but the orokin still view them as lesser

[strange plinth]

orokin viewed everyone as lesser lol

[brittle siren]

and you have the same view too obviously

[bright nimbus]

I mean they cant pilot cool flesh people so

[brittle siren]

even between themself

[obtuse vine]

I guess thts true

[brittle siren]

and? that does not make them weak

[bright nimbus]

It was also sarcastic

[brittle siren]

and since they are clone, they are almost invincible in number and quality too

[bright nimbus]

One of my best friends is a grineer I'll have you know

[eternal condor]

Honestly, I have sympathy for both the Grineer and the Sentients, you see them both unburied, dead on the same battleground.

No respect

[brittle siren]

I wish we could make Kahl healthy again

and Clem too

Clem Prime is possible

[strange plinth]

-# me n caliban go way back

[stiff fable]

Reminder that modern Grineer can rip a 40K space marine limb from limb

[bright nimbus]

The grineer aren't weak we are just gigabuffed and stupidily op

[stiff fable]

Makes you wonder how many Prime Grineer it takes to conquer the Imperium

Honestly the Orokin are probably an impro--pffft okay wow no couldn't say it even as a joke

[eternal condor]

Honestly? If things played out differently, there wouldn't have been conflict between Grineer, Tenno, and the Sentients. ...Corpus would still mostly suck though.

[bright nimbus]

I mean the thing is the orokin are bad on their own the imperium are about average compared to everyone else in the universe they're in

[stiff fable]

Yeah, the Sentients wanted to kill EVERY human though, which was the sticking point

If not for that we could have found common ground :/

[brittle siren]

Corpus got even sucker since Parvos missing

[stiff fable]

Parvos going missing is why the Corpus don't own the Origin System though

If they were actually unified they'd crush every other faction

[eternal condor]

It was an inside job

[brittle siren]

Still better than 2 ugly queens that go mad

[stiff fable]

Sure was

[bright nimbus]

And then fall in the same pits as the orokin

[brittle siren]

tbh we should kill the worm too

[stiff fable]

Worse in a lot of ways

Honestly, my idea for a real Warframe AU still makes me laugh

[eternal condor]

Agreed, but she's stupid and keeps them from success.

[stiff fable]

Feed War a bunch of archon shards in 1999 until it regenerates into Hunhow

And just have him go murder all the Orokin as they're born

[bright nimbus]

Without the worm queen we wouldn't have cool kuva weapons and rivals turned allies on railjacks

[strange plinth]

corrupted vor or vay hek, who would lead the grineer better

[stiff fable]

Neither

Put Steel Meridian in charge

[bright nimbus]

Theyre both criminally insane

[eternal condor]

Yeah, neither

[sage moat]

vor at least gives like normal cult leader vibes instead of having one too many lobotomies

[brittle siren]

I think Tyl would be better since he actually think about improving his kind

[sage moat]

oh tyl is the best for sure

but he's not part of the question

[eternal condor]

Honestly, I think a certain smooth talking tube guy has a good chance at leadership though...

[bright nimbus]

Tyl wouldn't want to be leader though, it would distract from his research

[strange plinth]

kuva fortress becomes a massive lab for him to do whatever in lmao

[brittle siren]

Kela would be 2nd choice

[eternal condor]

Tyl Regor has the brains, though. And he's pretty sane for a Grineer

[bright nimbus]

A council of Tyl, Hek, and Kela would probably work

[stiff fable]

Kela's on board with the "murder colonies and grind them into paste" thing though

Hek wants to raze Cetus

[brittle siren]

Hek kinda crazy, because of him some of the high rank Grineer is dead

[strange plinth]

his least sane line is probably the live dissection thing

[eternal condor]

Vay Hek is actually kind of an idiot, he got into power just by killing those in his way.

[brittle siren]

and that dissect the warframe, which Alad did

[brittle siren]

oh no, he actually smart before become a cyborg

[stiff fable]

Tengus has him hopped up on a bunch of drugs constantly

[strange plinth]

that's

[eternal condor]

Dr. Tengus though, we do need to get him in the universe proper

[strange plinth]

not surprising

[strange plinth]

fr he's mentioned like twice

[eternal condor]

Yeaaah...

[stiff fable]

Man unleashed the Infestation on the system

[brittle siren]

and almost nuke toxin on Earth

[stiff fable]

I need to introduce him to my two best friends, Misses "Arca" and "Plasmor"

[digital echo]

at this point it just sounds like the Grineer would fracture into several successor states because everyone eligible for leadership is either insane/hate eachother

[brittle siren]

dont forget their youngest sister: Tenet

[bright nimbus]

The Wolf of Saturn Six overthrows the worm queen

[brittle siren]

no he did not

[bright nimbus]

Yeah I was saying it as a joke idea

[brittle siren]

also the Kuva Guardian is unkillable unless you use void dash

[bright nimbus]

I remember when you had to void bash for that

[eternal condor]

Tyl Regor: Tenno, I uh... See the empire is in shambles and I'm left without a home. You have a debt to pay for the murder of my tube men, so let me stay at your place.

🤣

[bright nimbus]

Liger dropped the Harrow proto reference sheet

And that is 100% orokin writing on his skirt things

[proper barn]

That's hilarious

I love Liger their great.

[bright nimbus]

Its very a warhammer look

[eternal condor]

I do understand why Harrow, lore-wise, but Wisp I wonder if was a... hm, fan popularity decision.

[glacial bough]

They were picked for the easy religious connection

[bright nimbus]

Theres not many suedo Christian frames

A priest and nun are as close as you'll get though

[proper barn]

He has autism/s

[proper barn]

Did they drop the wisp one?

Did someone else make the wisp?

[bright nimbus]

Liger wasn't the artist so I cannot confirm

[proper barn]

Oh okay.

[eternal condor]

Well, Wisp was more a portal ghost, not a nun. Interesting jump.

[bright nimbus]

Here's a link to the art station

https://www.artstation.com/artwork/a0V2g8

[proper barn]

Someone reacted the look I actually want to see the design. I like Lettie way more than the proto frame wisp.

[proper barn]

You didn't even link the best part

In the original images

I Want liger to never change. Their my favorite Artist.

[bright nimbus]

To be fair I only sent one image

And it was to bring up something I brought up earlier

[brittle siren]

Oh

I'm late 😭

[proper barn]

@brittle siren this one's better

[eternal condor]

Oh, right, I did forget that Wisp literally opens a portal to Sol, so maybe that factored in too...

Still funny as hell the power implication that has.

If I had a nickel for every time a DBZ villain was defeated by the sun, I'd have three nickels, which isn't a lot but it is weird it happened thrice.

[proper barn]

Okay Wisp is more a fairy type etheral thing "a will-o-wisp" as it where

her being a Spritiual figure isn't that odd.

[eternal condor]

I mean, her connection to Sol factors in too.

Part of the 1999 faith thing

Sol and Lua

[proper barn]

the only thing i could see you choosing instead is

jade cuz she is a "angel"

[eternal condor]

But then, yeah, she's much newer and otherwise unique.

[proper barn]

God I am so glad her 4 actually a good augmetn

[jolly delta]

what if clem invented tau

[eternal condor]

My God, it's all Clemming together now.

Adis takes off human mask, puts on Grineer mask. "Clem."

[wispy swift]

Reject sentience, embrace Clem

[jolly delta]

ohhhh im clemming it

[brittle siren]

btw is Liger part of LGBT?

[proper barn]

seemingly.

[brittle siren]

Liger's male frame design is... y'know

[proper barn]

their

[brittle siren]

oh ok

[jolly delta]

okay so im gonna be so honest

i skipped every single cutscene

[strange plinth]

oh.

[jolly delta]

please explain what's going on

[proper barn]

god

why

why would you do that? @jolly delta

also what part of the game are you at?

[strange plinth]

yeah. need a reference for what you should know

[proper barn]

you can replay main quests to help. @jolly delta

[jolly delta]

funny story

[proper barn]

is it?

[jolly delta]

i beat every quest and sidequest

[proper barn]

side quests don't have cutscenes.

[jolly delta]

ik

i did everythimg for the main story

[proper barn]

you can replay all the main quests with cutscenes.

[jolly delta]

aw

[proper barn]

do you know what Natah is?

[jolly delta]

uhhhhhhhh

older lotus

[proper barn]

okay

What is a hunhow?

or who

[jolly delta]

no clue

wait

[proper barn]

watch/replay second dream.

[pine orchid]

do you know who the orokin and sentients are? 🤣

[blissful merlin]

Oh Lordy….replay or watch all the cineamtics my friend

[jolly delta]

isnt it like the big ass sentieb

[proper barn]

yes.

[jolly delta]

huzzah

[proper barn]

do you know what a sentient is?

[pine orchid]

you got one friend!

[jolly delta]

terraformer or sm

i think

[proper barn]

okay.

[jolly delta]

but evil

[proper barn]

Do you know what warframes are?

also not evil.

[pine orchid]

close! they're like AI with a body, self-replicating and repairing

[jolly delta]

kinda like fnaf animatronics

controlled by children

[proper barn]

close enough. tenno are the kids that pilot them.

[pine orchid]

uhhh sorta??? 😭😂

[proper barn]

it feels like you didn't skip every cutscene.

Okay natah/lotus is a sentient

[jolly delta]

context clues ig

[proper barn]

a mimic queen Hunhows Daughter.

[jolly delta]

so hunhow is john sentient?

[proper barn]

Eh kinda

he is the one that lead the invasion into the origin system.

he even helps you in the new war

cuz he just wants his daughter to be safe.

[jolly delta]

OH

I REMEMBERED

[proper barn]

yeha

[jolly delta]

HIM

[proper barn]

this would have emotional weight if you watched cutscenes.

watch the cutscenes.

[jolly delta]

fineeeee

i have a question tho

whos the guy

[proper barn]

The drifter?

[jolly delta]

that looks like my operator

but itsnt

[proper barn]

The drifter. did you play duviri?

[jolly delta]

with funky purple eyes

[pine orchid]

is there an option to replay cutscenes only? tbf replaying is a lot of time sink too

[proper barn]

fair

I would watch all the cutscenes on youtube.

[pine orchid]

uhhh the one who laughs at you a lot?

[jolly delta]

also whos the old guy from 1999

[jolly delta]

yeah that

[proper barn]

oh wally

[strange plinth]

oh wait
man in the wall that is copying your operator form

[proper barn]

lmao

[jolly delta]

oh

[pine orchid]

the one thats you but isnt you with dark eyes is The Man In The Wall aka The Indifference

[jolly delta]

john wall

[proper barn]

which one?

[jolly delta]

isnt he like the god of warframe or sm

[proper barn]

albretch?

[jolly delta]

the old guy with the hat

[proper barn]

Wally is a demon that is beaten by Old man yaoi.

[pine orchid]

the old guy in 1999, Albrecht Entrati, is the scientist who discovered the Void and Wally

[jolly delta]

entrati

[proper barn]

Albretch he is the old man Yaoi.

[proper barn]

Albretch the father of mother in diemos.

[jolly delta]

can you explain the lore significance of why Nezha is so caked up

[pine orchid]

grandfather! but not grandmother's husband Xd

[proper barn]

here is the family chart.

[jolly delta]

wait but

why do they look like that

[proper barn]

the Orokin

[jolly delta]

like the deimos dudes

[strange plinth]

orokin + infestation

[pine orchid]

you can't ask someone why they ahh thicc!! 😂

[proper barn]

or the family?

[jolly delta]

what are the orokin

like

[proper barn]

Just the ruiling class.

[jolly delta]

uh

[proper barn]

they aren't special.

[pine orchid]

they're like humans but they have special juice to be immortal

[jolly delta]

gentrified space people

[proper barn]

anyone could use it.

[jolly delta]

oh yeah so gentrifired space people

[jolly delta]

is that juice kuva

or what the buttfart even is kuva

[proper barn]

they find "the young and exotic" to transfer into when they get old.

[pine orchid]

yes, but they limited access to kuva to only themselves so they can be s p e c i a l ✨

[blissful merlin]

They made their bodies extra unique by having an arm that grows larger than others, their blue and have gold aesthetics but that’s about it. From what I can think of lol

[proper barn]

yes

[pine orchid]

sorta

[jolly delta]

what is kuva

[proper barn]

good question

[blissful merlin]

And Kuva. That too.

[proper barn]

@jolly delta Albretch is a ORokin though.

[jolly delta]

is kuva like evil space wizard black tar heroin

[pine orchid]

red crac- /j
we don't know yet, some spooky red juice with void properties that can transfer consciousness

[jolly delta]

i thought he was a human

[proper barn]

he just choose to not be blue or long arms

Orokin are human.

[jolly delta]

so drinking kuva makes you look funky

[proper barn]

no

[jolly delta]

or like funky orokin juice

[strange plinth]

genemodding/bioengineering does that bit

[proper barn]

they just want to.

[sage moat]

not quite, they chose to look funky with bioengineering

[proper barn]

yeah. they don't have to.

[jolly delta]

why would they do that are they stupid

[proper barn]

they just want to.

[strange plinth]

yes.

[jolly delta]

is he stupid

[blissful merlin]

If you consume the Kuva:

(Moon: Consume) – [The Operator pulls the kuva flask from the sceptre, and holds it up, examining it for a couple of seconds, before tilting the flask to their lips and drinking it all. Suddenly, the Operator's eyes change into a flurry of white spots against a black sclera, and their surroundings fall away into a void of shimmering stars as they speak unbidden, their voice eerily distorted.] [The Indifference]: "Hey, kiddo, what took you so long?"

[proper barn]

who?

[proper barn]

also yes.

[jolly delta]

i drank the kuva from the worm woman's magic staff

[sage moat]

when they don't have to worry about anything in life except going to counsel meetings to execute people and the occasional portrait, it doesn't hurt having one long arm. just a fashion statement

[jolly delta]

ball ass

[proper barn]

oh the queens are orokin in Grinner bodies

[sage moat]

he's incredible smart but also a massive idiot. this is the case with most narcissists

[jolly delta]

are grineer just

like

soldiers or sm or like evil

[sage moat]

cloned soldiers, yes

[proper barn]

cloned Workers turned into soilders.

[jolly delta]

aha

[sage moat]

also hi i just inserted myselff in the conversation im here now

[jolly delta]

who is marguilas or whatever

is she like a good orokin or sm

[pine orchid]

I'd say it's hard to just consign everything in warframe as just "evil" because a lot of them has complex motives
even ballas I think, but he's also most definitely evil

[glacial bough]

My brother in lore

[proper barn]

@jolly delta the twin queens are 2 orokin Sisters that are the grinner leaders. they have grinner bodies cuz it's been so long since they had a yuvan they needed new bodies. the elder queen tries to make you into her yuvan cuz she needs a new body.

[jolly delta]

what's a yuvan

[sage moat]

basically yes

[proper barn]

chosen person the orokin wanna take over as their new body. @jolly delta

[sage moat]

when the orokin swapped bodies with the "young and exotic", they called their new bodies "yuvan"