lore-discussion

[placid cypress]

it would be so cool tho, since the orokin tech got obliterated, a new kind of voidframe had to be made, ExcaliburVoid

[midnight cliff]

guys, any clue on wth is this toxic paradise?

[placid cypress]

Tau

[violet storm]

It’s why sentients were sent to tau, they were meant to terraform it

[lilac aspen]

And then they had a moment of realizing that the Orokin were gonna ruin Tau just like they did to the solar system

[violet storm]

Which is why they attacked our golden masters, to prevent this

[placid cypress]

"We swore to carry the sacred light of our dominion into the deepest dark. And this, we have done. Swear now to defend this holy treaty."

Tau = blackhole 🙃

[lilac aspen]

Of course they decided that everyone, not just the Orokin, needed to die but we don’t talk about that

[placid cypress]

the worstpart about this is im out all day on tennolive so ill probs miss it

[violet storm]

Also, I wonder what the archons were like before being grafted to the Warframes

[placid cypress]

they probably just looked like sentient MODOKs

[violet storm]

Just floating heads

[lilac aspen]

Sentients in the shape of animals probably

[placid cypress]

oh and the last teaser will have Excalibur Prime

ppl are gonna go crazy thinking hes gonna return

[violet storm]

I Wonder how pazuul will be involved with what’s coming

[lilac aspen]

Clearly brings the grape and green apple flavored archon creatures

[placid cypress]

i reckon it will be similar to 1999 wherein everything(mostly) gets revealed but phase 1 will be pazuul/getting to tau and phase 2 will be the jump

[lilac aspen]

Wonder what warframe we will get
Tau based clearly
Clearly we get knight frame, a chad version of the Sword Frame Excalibur.

[placid cypress]

It will Be Excalibur

[violet storm]

Caliban is possibly getting Primed soon

[placid cypress]

the final teaser will have either excal prime or a new excal variant

[craggy ginkgo]

yeah for sure cuz every lotus was next to a starter frame

[worldly nimbus]

Nah, last one is gonna be Loki Prime, return of the king style

[placid cypress]

ancient knowledge

sentient "part" behind volt (top left)

[violet storm]

The tyro sentients were interesting, I’d like to see more of them

[craggy ginkgo]

arent those like, baby sentients ?

[violet storm]

Something to that degree

[placid cypress]

Also theres a voidlike energy that fluctuates at the top right (only rly visible in video)

not sure of the significane if any but its something

[graceful swan]

Tau has a blue sun

[placid cypress]

yeah, but like it looks like caliban type energy

or sentient in general

[violet storm]

Imagine it has an atmosphere akin to that of real world Venus, but way worse

[placid cypress]

yeah

i still hope w all my heart that it has a black hole

[iron wyvern]

Are we going to have a whole new navigation space if we leave the system? Would be insane a whole new start chart.

[violet storm]

I do Wonder if we’ll see new sentient weapons.

[glacial bough]

We're unlikely to get an entire new star chart

DE has tried to avoid that whenever they can

[woven coyote]

Separating the playerbase too much has its downsides

[placid cypress]

true but why hype up tau to make it like sanctum/1999 wheres theres only gonna be like 6 missions

[violet storm]

Maybe a junction like node that leads to tau?

[placid cypress]

theres gotta be at least 1 or 2 planets and the prehgasa

[iron wyvern]

I mean I don’t need a new thing per se just like rail-jack Proxima locations ya know? But instead of on-top of known planets whole new planets.

[glacial bough]

Because it the next big thing

[woven coyote]

Why not? This feels like the usual ammount of tennocon hype to me

[glacial bough]

Hype has no bearing on scale

[placid cypress]

true

[glacial bough]

1999 had over a year and half of lead up

[craggy ginkgo]

every new node dilutes the player pool more, there's nothing to be done about that

[iron wyvern]

For like 4 mission zones really.

[placid cypress]

didnt they say this was the biggest tennocon/ tennolive yet?

[glacial bough]

I don't recall that being said

[craggy ginkgo]

every year is the biggest one yet cuz the playerbase just keeps on growing

[placid cypress]

probs just advetising

[woven coyote]

Probably about event scale

[silk atlas]

Even then, they always say that stuff

[woven coyote]

Like they have a whole concert this year

[dense nest]

With additional concert probably yes

[iron wyvern]

I just cannot wait first tennocon I’ve been actively playing during.

[placid cypress]

Could this be an eidolon limb?

[craggy ginkgo]

its a similar radiator like structure yeah

but you have the same weakpoints on the ropalolyst no ?

[placid cypress]

its the only thing similar out of all of the known sentients

lemme check

[placid cypress]

yeah, could be

altho none of the mentioned have the frill at the top

must be a new type of enemy

heres a better img

[craggy ginkgo]

my first guess was life support tower, but the boss sentient weakpoints look more likely

[stable gyro]

Isn't that the symbilyst
I need to punch it until it drops it's arm

[placid cypress]

Murex????????????

[dense nest]

I hope DE not making tau or whatever new tile set have modifier that disable warframe ability.

[craggy ginkgo]

they saw how unpopular duviri was i dont think they'll make that again

heck they didnt give us FPS frame cuz it would remove your melee

[placid cypress]

theres actually 2 of them next to one another (ones hard to see)

[lean garden]

Loki

[craggy ginkgo]

i can't see shit i couldnt confirm loki was there

[placid cypress]

nah like, the big stone ridge lookin things in top right corner

its like a petrified murex

[woven coyote]

Iirc thats from like a drop ship type sentient
I remember concept art of it, think they were also the spotlights in kahls segment of tnw

Oh and i think the og second dream trailer or smth

Kinda like giant floating keyrings with normal battalysts and conculysts as the "keys"

[placid cypress]

ah

i wonder how hunhow fits into all of this

[craggy ginkgo]

i think he's stuck where he's at rn, just an observer

i dont see what would motivate him to take action more that what has already happened

[woven coyote]

Ok wasnt second dream, trying to remember what it was
It was the one trailer on uranus that ended with sentient ships flying overhead

[placid cypress]

isnt he the sentient grandpa or stmt

[craggy ginkgo]

yeah, their "father" of sorts

[placid cypress]

wait ive just found something

there was a warframe before revenant

hella off topic but do we know which warframe "the warden" was?

[woven coyote]

Nope

Probably never will just like xaku

[craggy ginkgo]

just like we dont know what Xaku was before it was rebuild by the void

[placid cypress]

ah, oh well

[craggy ginkgo]

in my head cannon, he was a turkish dancer

(long hat, ult)

[glacial bough]

He was some formr of Vampire

[woven coyote]

Well his original theme was at least

During development

[placid cypress]

"clay they wished to rule" one of taus planets is clay???

or is it a metaphor

[craggy ginkgo]

probably a metaphor for land ?

[placid cypress]

yeah it its

[glacial bough]

Which can definitely still apply to how Rev is in game since half his kit has no relation to sentient or eidolon stuff

[oblique valve]

Warden from Minecraft…

[drifting narwhal]

Warden from duviri??

[humble sierra]

Warden from Duviri is Ballas

[drifting narwhal]

Yeah I know

[fast vine]

How come sentients are just the robots sent to terraform a system but they take up half of the story so far like are they THAT important? Im also confused as to how the sentinels, erra, lotus, the tenno and the orokin are connected like sure it works out somehow and ig erras sis is lotus the one leading the tenno like my brain is lost in the whole lore thing

[oblique valve]

We should give Warframes a mouth

*they

[violet storm]

Technically, If Not for the sentients, the Tenno would be dead

[lean garden]

are they THAT important?
Well, lets do a lil thought exercise, if it werent for the sentients, what wouldnt have happend in warframe?

[drifting narwhal]

Sentients rebelled against the orokin as they knew they would ruin tau as they did to the origin system and that started the old war

[fast vine]

How?

@lean garden please enlighten me bau

[lean garden]

Nearly everything

[violet storm]

The sentients gave rise to the need for Warframes, and the Tenno could control them

[fast vine]

That i know but damn just that? Are they that potent as "species"?

[oblique valve]

Btw how do warframes even survive, do they just live off of health orbs?

[lean garden]

No sentients, no tau colonised, no sentients turning on the orokin, no old war, no warframes, no tenno reused for the war, no collapse, no lotus, no grineer

[drifting narwhal]

Plus origin system would be even more depleted of resources if the empire didn't fall

[hollow siren]

Infested cells tend to be very good at self-replicating

[fast vine]

So the tenno were created to fight against them? Also how the hell did these kids get their powers? I kinda forgor. The Warframes were made for that reason? To fight against them?

[fast vine]

Hm thats true ig

[violet storm]

The Tenno are the result of the Zariman incident

[drifting narwhal]

Zariman incident

[lean garden]

So the tenno were created to fight against them
No, warframes were, the tenno were only incorporated much later into the war effort

No sentients wouldnt change the tenno from existing, exist maybe the part where the orokin wanted to get rid of them

[hollow siren]

The Orokin just wanted to get rid of the Tenno until Transference was discovered

[fast vine]

Zariman right, the ship so the whole thing that happened gave these kids their powers?

[fast vine]

Gotcha

[fast vine]

Didnt the kids have transference all along?

[hollow siren]

"The adults were all drowning mad in the Void ocean. But you, you were at ease swimming within the depths."

[drifting narwhal]

Nope

[hollow siren]

They were put into Stasis when the Zariman was recovered

[lean garden]

they did

[hollow siren]

read Rhino Prime's Codex entry

it explains the discovery of Transference

[drifting narwhal]

I thought they got that along with everything else until the incident?

[fast vine]

The could control it cuz they had the mind of a kid? Like the innocence etc?

[hollow siren]

"all along" since the Zariman, is what they meant

[lean garden]

ehhh, discovery of transference as a useful tool to control warframes, they already had transference therapy prior

[fast vine]

Since they got their powers

[hollow siren]

Transference technology lets anyone perform it to a certain degree, but the Tenno possess it as an innate ability

[drifting narwhal]

Gotcha

[hollow siren]

Said technology was developed based on the Tenno's ability

[hollow siren]

I must've completely forgotten that, then

[lean garden]

they had therapy before being iced after margulis got axed

[fast vine]

Okay okay i see

Really quick, how did lotus become the lotus?

Wasn't she natah?

[hollow siren]

Still not fully clear how much of it was Ballas finding her and reprogramming her, and how much was her changing her own mind

[fast vine]

Hmm okay

Did he actually love her? Or was it all fake?

[sudden hamlet]

The new video posted seems odd.

[fast vine]

Its awesome

[sudden hamlet]

Those dead grineer look like they are from the orokin era old war.

[hollow siren]

yep, likely soldiers sent to Tau during that time

[sudden hamlet]

Maybe we arent getting tau. Maybe we are getting a quest that will dive deep into the operators mind to unlock the repressed memories of the old war. Since thats the next logical step before we actually go to tau.

the surface they are laying on is rock a gray rock which is likely lua.

[hollow siren]

"You wanted a Margulis you could control, but she chose death over you."

[fast vine]

Understood thanks

[tight totem]

is Lua the only gray rock in space?

[sudden hamlet]

this is what tips me off as we are going back. What other holy treaty did we swear to defend other then in the old war?

[fast vine]

Yea but as we know mag prime iirc crashed with her ship when going through the portal. Am i wrong?

[hollow siren]

This is still part of the Zariman Pledge, first teaser also ended in a snippet from it

[hollow siren]

They were intercepted when they arrived in Tau

[sudden hamlet]

We have no obligation currently to defend it.

which is the thing.

[fast vine]

Right so most likely died

[glacial bough]

That's not in reference to us, that's about the Sentients

The trailers and song are from their perspective

[sudden hamlet]

interesting

[lean garden]

whats interesting is that it isnt part of the pledge you say during TNW, it seems to be something to be said when you actually finish the job

[jaunty siren]

canonically how strong is void vor

[graceful swan]

That’s gameplay not lore

[sudden hamlet]

Well i mean

Vor is pretty strong. He lived from being cut in half because of the key and then said key allowed him to go into the deepest part of the void duviris undercroft

[craggy ginkgo]

yet he cannot take more than a couple shots

[sudden hamlet]

even wally had trouble fully manifesting in duviri since if he did the islands would be cut off. Which led him to adopting the vanashing vagabond

With isleweaver wally cleary was able to get control over duviri to fully manifest himself without the threat of thrax banishing him back out. Wally is growing more powerful by each quest

[tall echo]

It's not the real duviri

[craggy ginkgo]

yeah they keep mentioning its a "fake" duviri

[sudden hamlet]

hes able to weave duviri into his own little pocket that brings out albretchs duviri lab

[tall echo]

Not that either

[sudden hamlet]

Its real but also fake at the same time.

[tall echo]

It's just a fake copy

Wally is trying to make it real, that's the point of isleweaver

[sudden hamlet]

its a fake copy yet thrax knows that oraxia is made by the scholar and that scholars landing at one point existed in the normal duviri

Before it was cut off

[tall echo]

Yes

[craggy ginkgo]

so what wally is trying to achieve is to overwrite the original duviri with his fake copy where rusalka is queen

[sudden hamlet]

Wally wants to fully consume duviri itself

but even he cant do so. Which is why he has to weave a false duviri

[tall echo]

Wally wants to take over duviri

[sudden hamlet]

Correct. Hes still having trouble with taking over duviri as a whole

him going there as neci allowed him enough to make this little pocket and returning scholars landing to try and take over duviri entierly

but we stop him ofc

or slow him down enough

[tall echo]

That's unknown for now

[craggy ginkgo]

now that he has an egress he's going to keep trying, keep coming back " until she climbs up the waterspout again"

[tall echo]

The event is still going on

[river tangle]

i reckon praghasa is still stuck on the sun...

[sudden hamlet]

well yea.

we never really destroyed it. per say

[river tangle]

and yet dem tennocon relay, the sun relay...

[craggy ginkgo]

we last saw here there, unless Pazuul moved her or something she should still be there

[sudden hamlet]

Remember: if we dont see a body they arent dead

[drifting narwhal]

Phragasa is still at the sun

[tall echo]

Well praghasa kinda was a corpse during tnw already

[sudden hamlet]

Yea, but she got revived iirc

[craggy ginkgo]

by the lotus's song

[sudden hamlet]

the sentients are all living beings even their ships.

which includes phragasa

[river tangle]

come on DE, what's the take about that tennocon sun relay... hinting that we go back to it and use that to jump to tau?

🏃‍♂️ 💨

[sudden hamlet]

Mag prime codex entry

iirc she didnt use the sun to make the jump to tau

[river tangle]

oh sorry, not the sun

i meant praghasa

but oh well i give you benefit of doubt or something

[sudden hamlet]

i have a feeling the only reason ballas needed phragasa to eat the sun was to have her fully operational faster as he was losing time.

[tall echo]

Nah

[tall echo]

He just wanted to destroy the origin system as he left

[sudden hamlet]

right that too

[steel prairie]

where was he leaving to, is it known

[cunning tapir]

Let's just face it, If it meant bending to his will what he couldn't control, he'd destroy the sun regardless of whether Phragasa had enough energy to make the jump to tau. He was that much of a sore loser....
Actually, no. It's not that he was a sore loser, he still is. His status as a Sore loser doesn't stop just cuz he's ded. His loser status is eternal.

[graceful swan]

Tau

Says it many times

[sudden hamlet]

even in duviri as the warden hes a sore loser

man didnt die he just ended up there as a punishment

[cunning tapir]

Exactly. though that's mainly of the conceptual embodiment, but he's still a mirror of Ballas, though. So, he's a sore loser anyway.
Props to the voice actor for giving the noodle-armed incel the hateability we know him for.

[brave topaz]

And with no recollection of us, so he gets all the mean mugging for eternity 🤣 he always complains how we look at him and how he doesnt know us 🤣

[green horizon]

Why did I get tagged in this

[dawn shoal]

So I just had a realization while watching the recent TacticalPotato video and writing a comment for it

Tau Ceti IRL has the exact same class of main sequence star that our sun is, presently it's just a smaller more yellow version of the sun (which is technically classed as white but appears yellow to us because of conditions in the atmosphere). Stars of their sort are almost never blue nor are they supposed to be blue, they just don't have the mass, unless they are at the end of their life cycles and have turned into white dwarf stars. Which for anyone who doesn't know how that works is basically what happens when a star spends most of its energy and isn't massive enough for a supernova to happen as a result. They're corpses of stars more than full stars. And I'm pretty sure the several millennium in the future that relevant Warframe events take place during isn't enough for that energy to be spend naturally.

The implication seeming to be that short of Void magic/tomfoolery/DE just randomly deciding that their analogue for the real life star system is exactly the same as we understand it to be in real life Except Blue, something had to happen to that star at some point previous to the game's references to it as blue in order to spend that energy.
I'm willing to bet that Praghasa's first solar meal wasn't the bit of the sun Ballas used her to consume at the end of the New War 😨

[wise knoll]

Cast And Cry, Cast And Cry. Raise The Million Pylons High
All Our Kin Were Bound To Fly For That Far Shore Forlorn
Onward Hie, Onward Hie. Who But We May Tame The Sky.
Who But We Shall Distant Die On That Far Shore Forlorn.
Velvet Blue The Meadows Lie Though The Haughty Ones Defy,
Gold Shall Never Break Our Tie To That Far Shore Forlorn.
Onward Hie, Onward Hie. Who But We May Tame The Sky.
Who But We Shall Distant Die On That Far Shore Forlorn.

"We Swore To Carry The Sacred Light Of Our Dominion Into The Deepest Dark,
And This, We Have Done. Swear Now To Defend This Holy Treaty."

[woven coyote]

would be wholy uneccessary they returned via solar rail, the one they built on the way there

same solar rail used to counter attack in the mag codex

[dawn shoal]

well yes, but traveling through the void doesn't have to be the reason. obviously they wouldn't have needed it to travel to the origin system.

[woven coyote]

doesn't make much sense to me tbh
iirc sentients rebelled to spare tau not to destroy it so noone can have it

[swift sentinel]

Or travel back to the Origin System. The only reason Ballas needed to devour the sun is that our side of the Rail was destroyed, probably sometime after the Orokin attempted to couter-invade

[dawn shoal]

i don't know what the reason would be, but we don't know what is waiting in tau, what all happened there, or if there aren't different factions there with different ideas of what to do.

Even if it wasn't Praghasa, something looks like it happened there to kill that star.

[normal mountain]

Definitely more of a pipe dream than anything
But I think it would be neat if we had two main Sentient factions at war on Tau
With their leaders voiced by Frank Welker and Peter Cullen

[hexed oxide]

The sentients seem too well organized to split up and disagree on things also why peter cullen ? June wayne would be far better but he's not around anymore

[proven ridge]

The treaty mentioned in the video might be a point of disagreement

Some sentients want to save the origin system from everything orokin related and others just want to chill in Tau as long as the Tenno or anything doesn't show a menace to them

There's probably war trauma going on too because of the loss of millions of sentients

[glacial bough]

Unfortunately, this is just DE being different. WF galaxy is just different, from Tau being blue to it being the nearest habitable system in WF

[proven ridge]

It would look less alien to have a star that almost looks like the sun

Personally, I find it a bit frustrating to not follow the scientific literacy about the Tau system

[hexed oxide]

wait what ? new video ?

[cinder garnet]

A second teaser dropped

[proven ridge]

The one that dropped today

[cinder garnet]

Poor Volt 🥺

[hexed oxide]

just seen, barely recognized frost and ember

[dawn shoal]

I don't think Warframe has ever contained anything claiming it's the closest habitable system, it's actually not technically confirmed as habitable in real life at all because the planets that are proposed to be in its system are currently (according to Wikipedia at least) all unconfirmed or dubious in existence, though there are a few that look like they could end up confirmed. That's what I've been assuming the writing has been doing to be different, using the ideas of planets that aren't confirmed. I can't say for certain because I can't find the specific information I'm looking for without diving deeper into scientific literature than I want to right now, but it does look like it's one of the closest systems to Earth with a single star closest to the sun that could potentially have habitable exoplanets on it; all the closest ones look like red dwarf stars, with the exception of Alpha Centauri, which admittedly could have been a good choice for looking alien on its own seeing as how even though it's stars are similar to the Sun, they are fairly different in being a binary star.

Honestly Tau would make the most sense to me as the one the Orokin would want to go to since they seem like they'd want a place that didn't just have one habitable planet, but multiple potential super-earths and a sunlike star (at least at one point?) to colonize in their and Sol's image

[warped light]

Okay, so i posted this in the tennocon channel, but ima post it here too

Okay, so no idea if ajyone has compiled all of this yet, but heres everything that is said in each of the teasers

Titles:

Mag - Our history is smoke. Blurred by dreams. Guided by ghosts
Volt - Your masters sent steel and flesh to cross the gap: clay they wished to rule and sculpt into a new and toxic paradise

Lyrics:

Cast and cry, Cast and cry
Raised a million pylons high
All our kin were bound to fly
On that far shore, forlorn

Onward high, onward high
Who but we may tame the sky
Who but we shall distant die
On that far shore, forlorn

Velvet bloom, the meadows lie
Though the haughty ones defy
Gold shall never break or tie
On that far shore, forlorn

Onward high, onward high
Who but we may tame the sky
Who but we shall distant die
On that far shore, forlorn

Quotes:
"We swore to carry the sacred light of our dominion into the deepest dark"
"And this we have done. Swear now to defend this holy treaty"

Here is my analysis

So, im guessing that the next warframe to be shown dead will be Excalibur Prime–since the other 2 starter warframes have been shown, and it would be sort of poetic if you will, though, this may be unlikely because of Excalibur primes exclusivity...

"Our history is smoke. Blurred by dreams. Guided by ghosts" is a quote from Natah during the ropalolyst fight.
The quote is continued with: "A voice, a Void, lurks inside you, its purpose not yet shown. But what am I?"

"Your masters sent steel and flesh to cross the gap: clay they wished to rule and sculpt into a new and toxic paradise"

So lets start with breaking this all down.

"Our history is smoke" could mean smth like the history of the sentients was hidden or distorted in some way, perhaps that the story we know is no the truth
"Blurred by dreams" references the repeating motif of dreams throughout the story–i.e. the second dream, the long dream, once awake–but in this context could be a metaphor for how the idealistic ideas and myths of the orokin and their self-righteousness may have blurred the actual truth of what happened
"Guided by ghosts" is probably referencing the orokin, who are now all dead yet survive through their legacy and the technology they left behind.

"Your masters" obviously means orokin, the titles of these teasers seem to be from the sentient perspective. Though this does not need to be mentioned, it shows that the sentients have denounced the orokin as their masters abd strive for their own independence
"Sent steel and flesh" is referring to warframes, which fought the sentients in both the old war and the new war. The sentients probabky mention this specifically to allude to the dead warframes in the teaser videos
"To cross the gap" the gap being the huge space between sol and tau, as well as the void. This, as previously mentioned was probably the mag prime and volt prime from the teaser videos
"Clay they wished to rule and sculpt" is probably the sentients, a whole new race of beings, who betrayed the orokin and brought them to their knees.
"Into a new and toxic paradise" links to the oroginal goal of the orokin to terraform tau so they could inhabit it. The sentients believed that if the orokin were to come to tau, they would have ruined it as they have with the origin system

[proper barn]

That was was destroyed

Well our side anyway by hunhow

[warped light]

So now to analyse the lyrics

"Cast and cry, Cast and cry"
I honestly couldnt think of anything for this

"Raised a million pylons high"
This may be referencing the orokin towers, for example, the unum.

"All our kin were bound to fly"
Referencing the fact that the sentients were bound to go to the tau system to colonise it. They were designed for this, it was their purpose. Theres a hijt of grief in this yet still pride

"Velvet bloom, the meadows lie"
Velvet bloom implies softness and beauty, but meadows lie implies that this softness and beauty is a deception and hints at the tyranny of the orokin.

"Though the haughty ones defy"
This may be the sentients resenting the orokin for wanting to ruin Tau, the orokin being "Haughty"

"Gold shall never break or tie"
Gold being the orokin, this means that the sentients vow never to be broken–killed or defeated–by the orokin or to be forced into their servitude again either.

Now for the pre-chorus and chorus

"Onward hie, Onward hie"
Hie translates from old english as "To strive". From this we can infer that the sentients strive to create and protect a paradise which will be Tau. Hie could also mean to hasten, giving a sense of urgency

"Who but we may tame the sky"
The sentients were entrusted with the duty of terraforming Tau. This line makes it feel like they take pride in that, and thatbthis pride may have been what caused the betrayal

"Who but we may shall distant die"
The sentients, though entrusted with such a great duty were stranded in Tau, alone, without their creators. This line evokes feelings of resentment from this, a sort of bitterness.

"On that far shore, forlorn"
This phrase is repeated at the end of every verse. The far shore is obviously Tau, but it also symbolises the great gap between the two, the distance that is almost impossible to traverse. This confirms that Tau is in sight and we are likely going there. The use of forlorn indicates the story turning darker and sadder

And now for the quotes at the end

"We swore to carry the sacred light of our dominion to the deepest dark"
"And this we have done. Swear now to defend this holy treaty"

This seems to be from the orokin POV. The sacred light links to the orokin idea of purity and symmetry, believeing they, themselves are divine. Their dominion, and by extension that sacred light was meant to expand to Tau, the darkest dark
And this they had done, they got the sentients, their own creations to Tau. I dont exactly knownwhat would be meant by the holy treaty bit.

Oh that was a lot, sry guys

[dawn shoal]

yeah but what I'm talking about would have happened before at least the point in the Old War that the Mag Prime codex portrays, which was before the solar rail was disconnected/destroyed, so that's not really playing a part tbh.

[proper barn]

Gotcha. The rail was destroyed near the end of the war it was actually part of the plan to get lotus to kill us.

[strange plinth]

the captions in-video have "Velvet blue" rather than "Velvet bloom"
this would likely just change it to reference Tau's blue sun
everything else looks like good analysis though!

[warped light]

Oh yeah, okay that makes more sense :3

Thx

[little kestrel]

What's the verdict? Are we going to tau or not?

[glacial bough]

Eventually

Not this year, probably not next year

[modern steppe]

imo it's going to be a Narmer update that would lead into a Tau update

[dawn shoal]

Yeah, I think whatever happened to the star, if it isn't originally blue (which completely changes the astronomy of everything in a way the game's setting hasn't done before and I think would be mildly irritating, if they're changing the whole class and type of star by changing the color without getting the Void or something like star death involved, then they completely change whether or not the star system is even habitable because now the mass of the star is different, it's gravity and released heat/energy is different, and none of the planets could even be logically places habitable enough for the Orokin to want to terraform at at that point, might as well stick with terraforming Venus) would have had to happen at the latest during the Old War before the Orokin started sending attacks through to the Tau system.

[modern steppe]

fleshes out the importance of Narmer, Pazuul and the Archons whilst making Tau a reasonable focus because Narmer's in play

[dawn shoal]

that would make sense imo.

[modern steppe]

also that the Narmer still has the Old War sentients, it'd be weird to leave them out since introducing them like, 4 years ago

alongside Pazuul since Veilbreaker

and it gives DE more time to figure out Tau's identity and what to do with it while they focus on Narmer

[dawn shoal]

it's referring to the meadows as velvet blue though - not saying it isn't related to the sun because if there is plant life there it's not gonna photosynthesize the same under a different color sun - so I'm assuming that it's referencing alien flora.

[glacial bough]

The actual habitability of the planets doesn't really matter, the system just has to be sufficient for their purposes

[dawn shoal]

I mean on one hand after the last devshort where Rebb talked about them having two-year plans I'd assume they already have a solid idea, especially since they've been building to this for so long, but on the other hand I assume they would still want to use what time they can get since they did say the Normal Office Chair incident set them back like a month or more on 1999 and was the reason most of Techrot Encore needed to come in the separate update in the first place lol.

[dawn shoal]

I mean I would think if the planets were more easily habitable they would be more suited for the Orokin's intended purposes?

[modern steppe]

yea and, assuming they're going to meet player expectations, they'd need a lot more time to fully deliver

the last few updates, though detailed and in-depth, aren't exactly Star Chart worthy updates imo. And a lot of people are assuming we're getting a Star Chart update with Tau

[normal mountain]

Let's hope we don't get any more Office Chair related problems then

[dawn shoal]

real

[glacial bough]

Sure, but it doesn't really matter over all. They have the ability to fully change gravity and atmosphere to a permanent degree on any kind of celestial object. There's little that can stop them at that point

[normal mountain]

They were going to terraform them anyways, so all that really mattered at that point was the natural resources

[tall echo]

I'm so confused by the story arc title "void war" bc they seem to be pointing heavily towards tau/sentient stuff now

The two things do not mix well

[modern steppe]

that I will say is the only issue I have with the way they're doing this

I feel like we haven't had enough updates relating to Wally yet and suddenly they're teasing Sentient/Tau stuff

[glacial bough]

It entirely depends on what Albrecht is planning

[woven coyote]

We were talking the return trip from tau to invade origin, the person i was talking to was trying to come up with reasons why tau would have a blue star

[dawn shoal]

okay, that's a fair point, but the mass and energy of the star are still enough to affect its gravity, and a star's gravity is the entire reason they trap the orbiting objects they do in space. If Tau Ceti was a different star, it would not have the same potential planets and orbits that it's being investigated for in real life today. If the Orokin wanted a system with a lot of natural resources, and that's the only qualifier, then there's the Trappist system which has 7 whole exoplanets, albeit a fair distance farther away.

[modern steppe]

yeah yeah "Tau is in sight" but that statement is vague and we don't really know anything much about Albrecht's plan

I guess we'll have to wait and see

but imo they should've added at least some reference to Albrecht to tie this all up

[glacial bough]

The point of the past 3 of 4 updates was about Wally. We're definitely not lacking in that regard

[modern steppe]

because right now the only connection between Albrecht and Tau is a vague statement and no further context on what he meant by that besides the baseline assumption

[tall echo]

I hope there'll be at least some kind of transition quest like lotus eaters or smth

[modern steppe]

correct, but at the same time it doesn't feel like we're close to finishing this arc, which makes the sudden shift to Tau/Sentients very strange

so unless DE ties this up with Albrecht or Wally, then I wouldn't have an issue with it

and you have to remember that Tau is still a major topic and worthy of a big update, so having the focus shift so suddenly is odd

[glacial bough]

There's nothing to really tie up, we know the step on the story involves Tau in some regard

It makes sense we're getting info towards that

[dawn shoal]

Honestly while Wally is an important character in all of this there are a lot of other stories in the game that I want developments on, from Narmer to Tau to Parvos Granum and the Corpus or even the implication that the Grineer are up to something with Kuva and trying to get something from the Zariman's Reliquary Drive for some reason - if they keep focusing on only the one plot then I am going to get tired of it, but that's just me personally.
Also Albrecht did imply that Tau is important in some way related to what he is trying to do by mentioning it in The Hex so I suspect this will connect back.

[modern steppe]

yeah I understand that, I just think it's odd to shift the focus somewhat suddenly

perhaps this story will involve the operator in some way since canonically both Drifter and Operator are working on different objectives

[strange plinth]

archon shards are a source of "anti-entropic radiation"
and the murmur are animated by "the dust of decayed universes, rich in entropy" + wally being compared to entropy a few times
not like we have a shortage of archon shards in origin (for some reason), but potentially we could get something bigger/better from tau?
-# pretty sure i first saw this idea brought up by Ducky, credit to her

[dawn shoal]

The way everything seems to at least vaguely link back to Tau is why it's one of the places I'd put money on Wally's missing finger being. The other major place being with the Unum. Or potentially what Hunhow is sitting around on Uranus for.

[dawn shoal]

get me a Vessel and charge it up with a few massive Archon Shards or give it an archon shard cannon. time to kill a god.

[midnight niche]

Isn't his missing finger just in the reliquary drives

It straight up taps the glass in the railjack quest

[glacial bough]

The originals are locked away somewhere

[dawn shoal]

those are Orokin clones Albrecht made, there aren't enough to fuel every railjack lol

[strange plinth]

those are copies
he'd have them already if they were real

[dawn shoal]

yeah the Void Angels would have just snatched the Reliquary Drive by now I feel like

[midnight niche]

How does one clone a god's finger that's what I want know then lmao

[tall echo]

Not clear who made them and how afaik

[strange plinth]

how does one cut it off to begin with

[glacial bough]

It made copies of itself

[tall echo]

Portal

By accident

[midnight niche]

Just close the door

[strange plinth]

apparently lol

[dawn shoal]

my assumption is Albrecht used the power he got from the first one; if losing it was enough to prevent Wally a considerable bit in his ability, even keep him from consuming the Origin System, then Albrecht's arcane void science could have been enough to use it to clone itself

[midnight niche]

But yeah I doubt that's a clone, that's most likely his real finger in multiple reliquary drives considering physics need not apply to the void or the void god

And based upon the fact the ship cephalon itself freaks out speaking of paradoxical statements when you interact with your railjack drive

[dawn shoal]

ah, so then it would have to have like a primary location and point in time where it exists in its original continuity, which is where Wally needs to go to get it back 🤔

[sly pagoda]

The original finger is in Tau. I am of course kidding.

[tall echo]

It is directly stated that the originals are hidden multiple times

[dawn shoal]

I mean not an invalid theory, like i've said before it's one of my own lol

[silk atlas]

Nah that's pretty nuts to consider given that Yonta knows the originals are locked away and while the Orokin are stupid, they're not that stupid to just hand away their main leverage against the Sentients when they turned on them.

[turbid merlin]

I'm spooked

[midnight niche]

yeah nvm let's just call it copies my head hurts

[midnight niche]

It was just wrote out as same difference either way

[tall echo]

Well tbf sentients probably can't do anything with the fingers

[silk atlas]

Don't think even the Orokin would want to take that chance.

Especially if it's the original fingers

[dawn shoal]

I don't think all of the Orokin necessarily knew about Wally, we've only ever heard Albrecht talking about him and the rest have seemed more concerned with other things, but then again the Tenno not being able to remember a lot of the past could mean that we just haven't found or remembered anything about them knowing for sure yet.

[midnight niche]

Pretty sure there is an albrecht voice clip of him saying that countless studied the void but none saw their double, indicating wally was a rare experience

He said it more flowerfully tho

HOWEVER the archimedian lady on the zariman says she didn't like hanging out at the reliquary drive even when she was alive because she sometimes felt like she could see herself smiling back at her out of the corner of her eye

[dawn shoal]

I would think that means if anyone else had seen him they just never said anything about it cause they figured people would just assume them insane, so more people probably saw their double than it seems

[modern steppe]

notably he says that no one saw Wally except him, and that he never really told anyone besides Loid

[midnight niche]

Thank you

[modern steppe]

and yea even if there were people who saw or felt him, they likely brushed it off

[midnight niche]

I wonder why void tongue exists if wally was truly alone before albrecht

[woven coyote]

i doubt he was
some things in this update kinda make me think he has done this before

[dawn shoal]

Part of the reason for my theory that there is/was a full pantheon of deities at some point, and either Wally killed the others "for their light" or they imprisoned him there in the empty Warframe version of Chaos.

[dawn shoal]

Yeah this too

[midnight niche]

Yeah the dust of decayed universes and whatnot makes me think we're just facing the universe sized Galactus

It's just our universe's turn to be fodder

[woven coyote]

also this one

my herald looked like you once

gives me the feeling that all this thats happening wasnt the first time

[dawn shoal]

Theres also the "are you tired of your human body? I could build you a new one" or some such line

[midnight niche]

This fits with albrecht saying the indifference wants to devour 1999

That would've already happened

[woven coyote]

when we first heard of him he might have sounded childish or like he was learning about humanity and all

but this update makes him sound practiced, alarmingly so

[midnight niche]

Assuming the 1999 we visit isn't a duviri zone of the void but I am holding that schizo take back in my brain with the strength of atlas

[woven coyote]

rebb did say it was the actual past and not void shenanigans

cant remember which interview it was tho

[dawn shoal]

Yeah not impossible for that to happen but I think that it wouldn't make a lot of narrative sense.

[midnight niche]

Okay good I need that confirmation over the past few weeks I've been like "none of this is real" 😂

[midnight niche]

I wonder if albrecht finding him was indeed the start but that start doesn't really care about a physical timeline of our universe

Maybe wally is eating all possible universes

[sage moat]

i am absolutely still a "wally is supposed to be like a child" believer

[lean garden]

something something, psychoanalysis go brrrrr

[sage moat]

you don't write lines like "This place is MINE! IT ONLY EXISTS BECAUSE OF ME! That means I GET TO KEEP IT!!" on a practiced adult villain

wally is our five hundred eighty second abused child he's just the first one to turn evil because of it. except the lotus she also became evil because of it but she stopped.

[cinder garnet]

Same, it's a unique kind of horror: something so childish shouldn't be so cunning, and something so vast and unknowable shouldn't be so angsty. It's that special feeling of wrong that DE has mastered

And I love them for it

[cinder garnet]

Both, both is good

[sly pagoda]

The real mission in Tau will be to haul a load of Sentient Ale to Sol while being chased by Battleyst T Justice. /s

[humble sierra]

Tau is just Prohibition Era NYC

[brittle siren]

So the 2 teaser that DE released recently is related to Tau right?

[lean garden]

probably

[karmic prism]

This line made me think of all the timelines where we didn't make it. Like that one scene from The New War where we hold hands with the drifter while the others fell and died

[lean garden]

Im still of the position that thats representative of the time loop the operator was in resetting over and over, and not an operator death montage

[karmic prism]

I always though it was the others that didn't make it, get saved, get powers etc but that makes sense too

[dawn shoal]

i'd say that makes sense but Wally/Rusalka also has another Isleweaver line where he says "only two of you? too bad about all the others!" which sounds more like it was (at least almost) countless other versions/timelines of us dying at once

[sly pagoda]

I always took that as Wally folding all our potential timelines into one. Part of why the Drifter is the paradox they are.

Interesting enough Baro has had that done too. The timeline thing, it was their in lore explanation for Baro becoming the same schedule across all platforms.

[dawn shoal]

yeah i remember that!

[lean garden]

perhaps, but given pom-2's recount, that section is where the operator is trapped in a timeloop until drifter intervention

if there were to be a collapse it would better be served at the actual deal making instead of the timeloop

[spice spade]

who got unalived in the trailer ?

[tall echo]

A few frames and stuff

[spice spade]

hope they are just taking a nap

[brittle siren]

also funny that this signa missing a finger

so is this confirm that the missing finger is really the index one?

[sly pagoda]

And found the quote from the wiki

Are you familiar with the philosophy of Eternalism? The notion that all possible permutations of the present moment are real?

I never had much time for it. The distasteful notion that there could be multiple Baro Ki'Teers! Can you imagine? Yours is truly one of a kind.

As it happens, during my last foray into the Void, a dashing stranger presented me with the opportunity to refine all my selves into a single perfect individual. Of course, I shook hands on the deal immediately.

Now every Tenno will visit the same Baro Ki'Teer, with the same items, at the same time.

As this singularity comes into focus, you will notice my offerings remain the same for my next three visits. A minor inconvenience.

I am certain there will be no future unforeseen consequences from this momentous deal.

Singularly yours,
Baro Ki'Teer```

[restive river]

That’s the finger we saw missing on the big man in the wall during the new war
While he lost one it also sounds like he lost multiple or it multiplied

[lean garden]

funny enough, Drifter specifies that its all due to a single finger

[restive river]

So confirmed that one finger was cut and it multiplied, somehow

[lean garden]

Drifter: Comes down to 1 finger. A finger.

[brittle siren]

I thought Orokin make replica from the original one?

[silk atlas]

They made replicas but there's also multiple originals, as mentioned by Yonta and Albrecht.

[humble sierra]

Yeah it seems when it was in Albrecht's form, multiple fingers were cut off

And then grew larger?

So, presumably there's 5 originals

But they likely represent ONE thing since he's choosing to only show himself as missing one finger

Maybe a rejected deal?

[restive river]

how did they make replicas is what’s always bugged me

Cause it’s clear that Wally is connected to all the fingers
But he needs the original
So
How did the Orokin replicate or clone or whatever they did to a void entity’s finger?

[restive river]

Albrecht never mentioned a deal

Wally hates Albrecht and the Orokin cause he and they used his finger(s)

[misty roost]

"Where is my true finger, mara lohk?"

while I was taking a shower, I realized that this is a very likely, if not the most likely, translation of "VOULL NE XATA VOK, MARA LOHK?"

well, maybe.

[restive river]

Xata means Truth.

It’s potentially “do you know the truth, child of the void?”
Or something along those lines

Xata and Lohk are known
Mara had speculation

With the reveal of what Oull is we may get a step closer but we don’t know what V modifies here

[peak ether]

Someone mentioned ages ago with how the oull mod works it could be something about change

[tall echo]

It's never stated that they were multiplied intentionally

[peak ether]

Nevermind there’s a KIM message with Eleanor stating that oull is possibility

[tall echo]

Yes

[peak ether]

(V)Possibility (Ne) truth, void child.
Unless Voull is a completely different word altogether

[lean garden]

multiple originals, and yet it comes down to a finger

I dont think DE is contradicting themselves with a single person writing the KIMs, so it must be something we're missing

[brittle siren]

I mean they could theoretically found the way to cut the flesh from the finger and from it grow into a new finger with less energy. The og would also heal back too

The real question is, why Wally unable to heal from the cut that cause by the portal collapsing

[brittle siren]

Some ppl theorized that Wally already got most of the finger he lost, beside that index one

[restive river]

Tell that to the people who said they made replicas

[brittle siren]

Like Sukuna

[lean garden]

which I think is a crackhead theory because we have 0 indication of anything like that

[brittle siren]

Yeah but it would kinda make sense if we account "Wally missing a lot of fingers"

[lean garden]

Not if you think about it more

if there were the "originals" that yonta mentioned, which are sealed, how did wally secure all but 1

why are all the replicas of the same finger

given the shape of the hand, you can at maximum get 4 fingers, each with a different length

[brittle siren]

It could be lost during the Tenno massacre the Orokin and most of them are scattered around, but yeah again this is just for "multiple og finger" theory, so it wouldn't make sense since Drifter clearly said ONE finger

[lean garden]

It could be lost during the Tenno massacre the Orokin and most of them are scattered around
Which requires make belief just to support the theory

[brittle siren]

Yeah

[lean garden]

again, you can only get up to 4 fingers maximum

[brittle siren]

Also it kinda interesting that Wally grow another set of hands beside the og one when he was taking Albrecht form

It would be insane if the og finger is in Tau for some reason

[stiff fable]

I've mentioned this before but one of the traits of a genuine religious relic is that it can self-duplicate

and the finger is a relic

Thus it must be able to split

[lilac aspen]

Void tomfoolery
Literally requires no explanation really at times and that’s why I find the Void so interesting

“How did the finger get replicated?”
“VØÏĎ”
“Fair enough.”

[tall echo]

Waht

[restive river]

That does make more sense than the orokin doing it yeah

[brittle siren]

Man in the Wall form has 4 arms, which also reflects on the signa too

[restive river]

Albrecht could have sent it there tbh

Would be reason enough for him to go

[simple acorn]

Can someone help me, i saw someone saying that the warframes that we use and the primes are not close to the original ones, like we use costco copies and the primes where chinese copies, is that true?

[tall echo]

We use direct copies of original designs

[feral cape]

No we exact copys

There is no difference between the first excalibur ever made and the one you use

Man i just had an argument about this with a guy on wflore subreddit i cant escape it today it seems

[tall echo]

Well there is the difference that we don't use people

[simple acorn]

Well that make sense because the infested are present, past and future, they were, and was there, so yeah i see why are they the same, since its also the helminth the ine that repairs our warframes.

[feral cape]

I suppose

[feral cape]

No we're just making a copy no weird time shenanigans happening

[simple acorn]

Yes theres weird time shenanigans, the infestation shares q mind, it knows all what happened, it has always been there.

[strange plinth]

the helminth is able to see through time, but that piece isn't really relevant to the frames themselves afaik

[feral cape]

Yea but not with the warframes

The time shenanigans isn't relevant here

Its just copy pasting from a blueprint

The infested isn't emailing itself a copy we're emailing the infested a copy for them to print

[simple acorn]

Uhh, yes with the warframe too, lezzie literally says it.

[feral cape]

I dont care enough to argue this

[tall echo]

For the construction man

[strange plinth]

hm?
all i can think of is the "remember, we are your flesh" line
which.. lephantis says too. its just the infestation telling you that your frames are infestation as well, not that they're recreating their original forms directly

[lean garden]

which is quite the irrelevant thing when talking about constructing a warframe

[tall echo]

Quicker than wisdom

[lean garden]

the Infested dont physically exist as one united entity across all time

[simple acorn]

-We Love You. We want You to know that. We have watched You and Loved You through the Centuries...
+Really? The infested tried to kill me etc
-And do Your white blood cells not attack You when You are sick?!
-We are Many. We are the Forever. We are Throughout Time. We are the All. Forgive us the Few we Do Not See.
-We breathe for You. Bleed for you. Feed for you. Is this demon pleased?
+You are the Helminth?!
-We Are All And We Are One.
Then it says that they wont do it the same way as the "doktor" did it

[tall echo]

Using the right argument for the wrong thing

[simple acorn]

Yeah apolochesee i just remembered that part

[brazen flame]

Our Warframes do retain their original personalities despite being copies, which we can probably attribute to timey wimey Infestation stuff.

[feral cape]

Genetic memory

You ever watch jjk?

[brazen flame]

The only Warframe we have that's straight up unambiguously the OG one is Excalibur Umbra. Maybe Limbo and Mirage too if you get them through the quests.

[simple acorn]

Also since they all share one mind, did They was fighting alongside rell against the indifference?, so they know what the indifference is and the power it has no?

[feral cape]

What no

[tall echo]

No, no, and no

[feral cape]

Those very explicitly cant be the og ones

[brazen flame]

I know what you're talking about and maybe, but a copy of a gene should not retain its epigenetic memory.

[simple acorn]

No i remember building him through the scanner

[lean garden]

our umbra is like, the 2nd one

[brazen flame]

Yeah but there's the same guy in there, so how could it be a copy?

[feral cape]

What do you think im referencing?

[brazen flame]

Geto

[lean garden]

the infested?

[simple acorn]

A clon like the greneers

[feral cape]

Okay so we are on the same page

[strange plinth]

first one got obliterated

[tall echo]

Because the original was obliterated

[simple acorn]

Yes

[lean garden]

the infested know the smiling one, they dont like it

[brazen flame]

Grineer clones aren't copies of others memory and personality wise though. Different lancers are different people.

[lean garden]

but as for "fighting alongside rell" not raelly

[simple acorn]

Arent they all clones?

[brazen flame]

So would all your clones be the same exact people?

[strange plinth]

more like a shared enemy rather than an ally, no?

[simple acorn]

Well retain the man in the wall for 1000 years

[lean garden]

foundry 3D printing and grineer cloning are very much different things

[brazen flame]

Down to thoughts and memories?

[lean garden]

which is an irrelevant statement regarding infested involvement

[lean garden]

in the case of the foundry, yea

its gotten all the way down to remnants of thoughts and memories

visages of what was

[simple acorn]

Well yeah cuz its not connected like the hex girl

[tall echo]

The question is relating to grineer

[brazen flame]

That's probably more to do with the Helminth side of things but yeah maybe.

[lean garden]

I'm more partial to think its part of the orokin side of tech

[simple acorn]

I would debate that because of the shared mind

[brazen flame]

I mean, all of it is the Orokin side of tech.

[lean garden]

they were masters of bio-tech, and so replicating a warframe exactly as specified on a blueprint would yield the same result as the thing the blueprint was made from

[brazen flame]

The Helminth strain is also Orokin technology.

[lean garden]

which includes the visages of whatever was used on the blueprint

[simple acorn]

They was masters but everything they made revealed against them 😭

[brazen flame]

I think the Helminth mentioned that they handle all the fleshy parts though.

[strange plinth]

-# hubris is a hell of a thing

[brazen flame]

Not everything. The Dax were pretty loyal to the end.

[simple acorn]

As i said before the Helminth is the in charge of repair the warframes.

[lean garden]

well, thems the only goobers that have built in compliance

[tall echo]

Forced loyalty

[lean garden]

like Teshin helps you get around it in War Within

[simple acorn]

Loyal but almost all of them died

[lean garden]

Even Varzia aint loyal to those smucks

[brazen flame]

Also, I'd like to see some of the Orokin "high technology", so to speak. Since everything we use now was considered "zero tech" by the Orokin since it can't be taken over by the Sentients.

[tall echo]

I wouldn't be surprised if the queens got the loyalty gene idea from the dax

[brazen flame]

Probably since the Queens are Orokin.

Well, Queen now.

[simple acorn]

Another thing, is wally rlly our enemy, since it gift us the power we bear, and all the beef is against entrati that chopped his finger and use it as a battery

[lean garden]

is wally rlly our enemy, since it gift us the power we bear,
You wanna recap real quick who made the conditions for us to accept the deal?

[strange plinth]

we owe him
and we went against the deal in whispers

[brazen flame]

All the beef? Not really. Seems pretty pissed at us too in Isleweaver.

Threatens to turn us into a Herald and all.

[simple acorn]

Yes plz i dont wanna be lost, i know things but not everything

[lean garden]

tbf thats also cuz we did him dirty in 1999

[brazen flame]

Plus, there's no telling what he might do if he gets his finger back.

[lean garden]

like thats a genuine reason that DE gave as to why Wally is assaulting duviri, its payback for 1999

[brazen flame]

I mean, he was kinda killing all our friends and was very happy about it.

[lean garden]

I wussant saying he aint in the wrong, but I am saying why this goober is attacking us in duviri

he's got beefonomics against us because we wouldnt let him be naughty

[brazen flame]

Yeah, I understand from his perspective why he's throwing the tantrum, but he's very much not an innocent guy we're bullying for no reason.

[lean garden]

wally made the situation on the zariman during the crash even worse, compelling you to take his deal

[lean garden]

ofc, aint no wally apologists here

[brazen flame]

Also, I wish they'd have given us Thrax specter bps in the event shop.

[simple acorn]

Should change his name to "I do care sometimes"

[strange plinth]

-# his tantrum about "THIS PLACE EXISTS BECAUSE OF ME, ITS MINE" is pretty funny though

[brazen flame]

Makes no sense why we never got any Duviri themed Nightwave or cosmetics or specters.

[lean garden]

No radio reception in duviri ig

[brazen flame]

I mean, Acrithis can talk to us outside Duviri.

So there probably is, actually.

[simple acorn]

Its all on your mind

[brazen flame]

I mean, what else are we connecting all these towers for?

[tall echo]

Nw is usually used to tease upcoming stuff now, I think the thing released in the middle of an active one

[brazen flame]

That doesn't make it any less real.

[simple acorn]

Energy

[brazen flame]

If anything, in the void that makes it more real.

[brazen flame]

Was a joke.

[brazen flame]

Yeah, but we didn't get one then either.

That's why I said they should have put something in this event shop.

[tall echo]

Yes

[brazen flame]

The least Thrax can do is give us a few Thrax and Dax to help us after all we're doing.

[simple acorn]

Wait i got one better, to see trought the bird eyes

[brazen flame]

This event in general was lacking on unique Duviri rewards.

[tall echo]

We got a parazon skin, that is hilariously rare

The second parazon skin ever

[brazen flame]

And the sigma one is kinda bad ngl

[simple acorn]

So tau is our next destination? Because tau is on sight type sh

[lean garden]

and its just not a bulky chungus like the first skin

[sage moat]

no confirmation but the teasers are like super heavily pointing in that direction

[lean garden]

eh, my money is on set up before we go to tau

[tall echo]

I like the sigma parazon :(

[sage moat]

oh yeah prolly not our NEXT destination

[brazen flame]

Probably getting a Lotus Eaters.

[lean garden]

theres alot of hype about going to tau, but I feel like its more prudent for our next thing to make a two-way trip possible

[strange plinth]

i hope it isn't our next
we definitely need setup beyond "Tau is in sight."

[brazen flame]

We're probably getting the actual Tau update a year or so later.

[lean garden]

-# like yknow rebuilding the rail

[simple acorn]

But okay, why tho? Why do we have to go to tau? Would be find a way to fight wally back?

[brazen flame]

Outer Terminus rebuilding operation let's goooo

[lean garden]

-# like yknow where all the cryotic pazuul is guzzling is going

[brazen flame]

Exactly the kind of setup we need.

[tall echo]

Heavy implication that albrecht went there

[lean garden]

because albrecht might be there

[sage moat]

im actually thinking we're gonna get a few smaller quests, something like the prelude to war but with the operations not time limited. likely revolving around the operator, hunhow, and our heavily-foreshadowed memory of the old war

[strange plinth]

-# fancy drinks for narmer /s

[brazen flame]

Yeah, we're probably going to get an operator arc now since most of the last story arc was about the Drifter.

[lean garden]

-# community wide extrasolar rail building event, concluded by a lotus eaters 5 min type quest

[simple acorn]

And why dont we ask the girl to take us to were entrati is? She find him once already

[tall echo]

Former drinks now popsicles

[brazen flame]

I wonder if we'll get to collab with the other factions again for this.

[simple acorn]

The portal girl

Kayla?)

[lean garden]

she might be able to portal herself to the future, but I doubt she can portal herself lightyears away

[brazen flame]

Parvos Granum definitely wants to go to Tau.

[tall echo]

In the same city.

[lean garden]

shes not a damn tardis

[strange plinth]

checklist that's just a few billion ferrite or whatever

[brazen flame]

Nova has a range state for a reason dawg.

[lean garden]

have you seen the costs for the old dark sector rails?

[brazen flame]

We'll have it done in a single day, it needs to be higher.

[lean garden]

thats a veteran players spare change

[sage moat]

i would be fine with that so long as the building quest was kept in the game so that we don't just get the really jarring prelude to war remake

[simple acorn]

Yall think we would find another type of energy to use that let us go through the void without getting mad the i do care sometimes?

[tall echo]

Wait was prelude to war more than just the cutscenes

[lean garden]

I feel like the building event is impossible to be part of a story, UNLESS they force everyone to contribute a small bit, trigger a cutscene and blam! rail

[sage moat]

prelude to war is ABSURDLY short for like 60% of the plot happening during it

[lean garden]

theres none quite like it

[brazen flame]

We need something like rebuilding Strata relay for the newer players. It's been a while since we've had an operation that leaves a lasting impact on the game world.

[sage moat]

there were operations

[simple acorn]

I mean if entrati is in tau and find another type of energy to use, i see it as an excuse so we can travel freely to other systems

[tall echo]

Did they have any extra lore

[brazen flame]

We need to have a single Scarlet Spear and Orphix Venom mission at the very least as part of the Prelude to War. The slow Sentient incursion was a big part of the onset of the New War but it was all in operations.

[brazen flame]

Yes.

[sage moat]

jovian accord, scarlet spear, orphix venom, THEN we finally had The New War after a long while of the sentients building up their forces. as it stands in game right now it seems like the sentients just had a few hundred battleships laying around and ballas convinced them to wage war overnight

[lean garden]

like I said, there none quite like void energy, especially when it comes to hurtling through space

[brazen flame]

What happened in the Jovian Accord again?

[tall echo]

Ok that's something new for me to be annoyed at DE over

[brazen flame]

Amalgams?

[lean garden]

malgams

[simple acorn]

I mean if wally exists, why dont other deities too?

[brazen flame]

Yeah, that part of the story is just another chapter in the "What the hell is Alad V even up to" confusion for new players.

[lean garden]

because this isnt some religious pantheon?

[tall echo]

It's unclear if he even is one

[brazen flame]

See also: Gradivus Dilemma.

[lean garden]

Wally is as much a god as Inaros is a god

which is to say, goobers keep calling them that but theyre not quite

[tall echo]

I love the 50 operation scores in the players profiles that are mostly 0 for most players

[brazen flame]

Gotta love the Fusion Moa event one especially.

[sage moat]

even when i barely understood the lore TNW confused me like "wait how did they get an army so fast"

[brazen flame]

If you see a score in that, you're meeting a legitimate dinosaur.

[lean garden]

dont forget the oxium drone one

[brazen flame]

Tbf Veil Proxima does show that there's a Sentient armada at the edge of the system, but how did they get there?

[strange plinth]

"What the hell is Alad V even up to" is what 90% of his appearances are
- someone who started last year

[tall echo]

I was so confused what the scores meant for like a solid year when I was new

[brazen flame]

The no-context intro cutscene on Jupiter is all you get unfortunately.

[simple acorn]

Hipottacaly (idk if that even is a word) is we travel to tau and entrati somehow finds a way to fight back the void, would that mean we would have another type of elemnt that has anti-void properties?

[brazen flame]

Hypothetically

[strange plinth]

even then, that was added with koumei, wasn't it?
its a step in the right direction but still missing a lot

[sage moat]

alad v is a corpus orokin(?) who worked with the sentients got betrayed betrayed them wanted to join them got betrayed by an underling into not betraying the corpus and not joining the sentients then went on to become an infested worm then become a corpus orokin again and now what's he up to

[tall echo]

Keep in mind that his appearances in the current state of the game aren't even in chronological order

[brazen flame]

Yes.

[simple acorn]

Thanks

[brazen flame]

Mutalist Alad V appearing after his cured form.

[tall echo]

Just corpus

[feral cape]

Man i wonder if alad v is supposed to parallel ballas

[strange plinth]

hunhow calling alad v orokin is just hunhow being racist iirc

[tall echo]

Yes

[brazen flame]

Forget Alad, we never even get an explanation on who Vay Hek is.

And forget Frohd Bek and the Ambulas.

[tall echo]

Hunhow would call a speck of dust orokin if it could talk

[modern steppe]

We have one mini comic relating to Vay Hek and Dr. Tengus

[lean garden]

you mean hypothetically?

[sage moat]

the acolytes ALSO call him orokin AND he seems to know about the old war its like so so strange

[brazen flame]

He also call us betrayers.

[simple acorn]

Hipopothamus i think

[glacial bough]

Alad knows the same about the Old War as everyone else

[tall echo]

Yet he has no idea what warframes are

[lean garden]

the way to fight wally is through love, not some extra element

[sage moat]

oh that's true, disregard me

[brazen flame]

I'm going to date Wally as Rusalka and DE can't stop me.

[simple acorn]

Can we give it some love backshots?

[tall echo]

I will not but I will disregard thy previous statement

[brazen flame]

They want love? They're going to get it.

In abundance.

[strange plinth]

frightening

[digital lark]

What did cephalon Suda do?

[tall echo]

Mods. Get 'im.

[brazen flame]

Mods confiscate this man's endo.

[simple acorn]

Naur 😔✋🏻

[tall echo]

Memory issues

[simple acorn]

Got like 5

[brazen flame]

Mods reduce his plastid drop rate to half.

[digital lark]

So suda just had memory problems and was punished to be a cephalon?

[glacial bough]

She chose

[modern steppe]

Chose to be one

[strange plinth]

got turned into a cephalon willingly to avoid dementia/some other memory issue
music helps her, seen in octavia's anthem

[digital lark]

Make him grind 70k oxium

[tall echo]

Not all cephalons were punishments

[digital lark]

Ohhhh

[brazen flame]

Double his Sibear cryotic cost.

[tall echo]

Make him build vauban prime without a resource booster

[simple acorn]

I would like to be silenced for 2 month before farming for that or tellurium

[sage moat]

hey guys i would like to note that if wally is seeking to reduce the world to a state of absolute entropy...
We do have things using "Anti-entropic radiation"
Is it possible that albrecht's going to use archon shards as a sort of weakening weapon so that it is easier to use love to reach whatever the end goal of wally is?
In warframe terms, using archon shards as a primer for multiplicative Love CO

[brazen flame]

Make him level open world syndicates without conservation.

[swift sentinel]

I think you'll find that love is The Fifth Element, actually 🤓

[sage moat]

the fifth element is void

[simple acorn]

A bubble gum with love words as bubbles that resonate trough the cosmos hitting the void trought eternity, that way making it weaker to more love

[brazen flame]

Mods we have another one.

Remove Thermal Sunder from his Helminth.

[tall echo]

No idea what you mean

[sage moat]

is thermal sunder like a good helminth? i haven't seen anyone use it except people who want to play titania without playing titania

[modern steppe]

Nah, lock him out from getting Hildryn from all sources

[simple acorn]

Do people actually get mad for that jokes?

[tall echo]

I don't use helminth

[brazen flame]

Mods...
Make him play Oberon

[tall echo]

Or middryn

[modern steppe]

Make him play Loki and zap him whenever he falls asleep

[tall echo]

I like oberon

[brazen flame]

Without augments

[simple acorn]

Mods make him sell me ivara prime for 8 plat

[sage moat]

i like oberon. he desperately needs the rework but it does NOT have to be extreme as the valkyr or nyx reworks.
the better option would just be reworking how health and armor tanking works

[tall echo]

Punishing me for my horrible sleep schedule is unnecessary

[brazen flame]

Mods. Vault his Lato.

[tall echo]

Y'all have no idea just how ridiculously off-meta I am

[tall echo]

Lato is permanently vaulted already

[sage moat]

mods, uncarnon his weapons

[tall echo]

That's not a punishment that's just exploitation

[simple acorn]

So why dont wally appear in front of us and we kiss and say sorry babe i wasnt me when 1999 happends and we live happily

[sage moat]

i hope you use incarnons. even if you dont care about meta some are very fun. dual tox is among my favorite weapons

[digital lark]

It was a party of a life-time

[tall echo]

I exclusively use incarnons that don't get mentioned by meta users

[simple acorn]

I use the tenet plinx, doesnt kill but surely sends enemies flying out of the map

[tall echo]

My determination to go against the default could help me survive a fight against a skeleton with 1hp

[sage moat]

idc about meta i just try using weapons good enough that i won't groan if i get them in ETA or EDA. the exception being some warframe signature weapons because i feel bad if i use a frame without their signature but oh god some are bad (looking at you khora)

[simple acorn]

Me with dagath and dorrclave, god i love dagath and dorrclave

[tall echo]

My builds are good enough that I usually have at least one usable damage source

[sage moat]

my hydroid prime is done cooking tomorrow, then i mod him into my fourth railjack frame, then idk prolly jade is up next

[feral cape]

I despise eda/eta

[tall echo]

I despise randoms in ETA

[simple acorn]

Invite me to farm jade, I like that mission

[tall echo]

They are a very unique kind of different

[sage moat]

i actually already have jade in my foundry, im gonna be grinding for citrine

[tall echo]

Don't

[simple acorn]

Good luck i hate that mission

[tall echo]

Just buy her, save yourself the pain

[sage moat]

its not actually that bad i just pick titania and become the dedicated gem gatherer

[feral cape]

Randomized loadouts is the source of all my pain with everything in eta/eda

[sage moat]

my friend WITHOUT ASKING bought me the aphrodita collection which is like the most textbook white elephant gift possible. now i HAVE to get citrine

[tall echo]

As a roguelike player, it really doesn't bother me

[simple acorn]

What is that collection

[feral cape]

Why yes I'd love to be only able to use 3 frames i dont like topped with 3 weapons i dont like and or just suck but I keep because they have niche uses (rubico)

[tall echo]

What does that mean

[sage moat]

the next deluxe skin for citrine with the scythe skin and her signa

[feral cape]

What's this enemies explode when I kill them and I have to be within 15 meters to even kill them delightful

[simple acorn]

Its called Afrodita?

[tall echo]

I mean the white elephant gift thing

[feral cape]

And flair will be getting gassed constantly how joyous

[tall echo]

Aphrodita, yes

[feral cape]

If only I'd be allowed to bring a trinity into this to offset the trouble my defense target is in

[simple acorn]

Why dont a gara?

[tall echo]

Citrine deluxe all about hearts, named after a love goddess.

[feral cape]

Because this is a hypothetical and trinity is the first person I thought of

[sage moat]

oh a white elephant gift is a gift that causes you to put in extra work or is, despite good intentions, negative to the reciever.

[tall echo]

Maybe a reference to ye olde red text...

[feral cape]

Point is the random loadouts prevent you from trying to build craft around the modifiers and the modifiers encourage build crafting around them

[tall echo]

I like random loadouts. I do not like randomly unreasonable stats (TANK.)

[simple acorn]

I got the bundle and but i didnt knew it was called Aphrodita

[night dagger]

Lore question. Why is there Ayatans in the year 1999?

[rich stump]

If I had to guess, this is just a gameplay thing

[graceful swan]

Albrecht probably brought them

[strange plinth]

there is a convo with Q about them
but i'm not finding why they're in 1999, just what they are

[night dagger]

Propably just the orokin time travelling their trash to our past to get rid of it.

[strange plinth]

albrecht was the only one with time travel
and the sculptures hold important memories, so not exactly trash

[swift sentinel]

Void shenanigans just spitting them out at random

from breached towers and what-not

[night dagger]

Hm, I can settle for void shenanigans. Unsatisfying, though.

[tall echo]

I'm guessing it's just a gameplay thing. Ayatans shouldn't be on the zariman either, yet they are

[dire mountain]

Nope this is not true

We saw one during the duviri paradox

[tall echo]

Oh ye

[idle current]

yeah thats an ayatan being used for a photo, looks like a graduation photo too lol

[tall echo]

So wait are we basically collecting and melting down family albums when we loot ayatans from the zariman

[dire mountain]

Maybe

[strange plinth]

yeah probably

[dire mountain]

Its a quantum superposition. You both are and are not deleting precious memories until you look inside

Also: interesting that they have ayatans and regular cameras?

[idle current]

yeah, ayatans play in your head

[tall echo]

Though the ayatan in that flashback memory thing is specifically one that can't be found randomly

[graceful swan]

Should we even have Ayatan Sculptures on enemy faction ships considering Neural Sentry is overly protective?

[tall echo]

Area 51 raid logic

"It can't mind control all of us"

[idle current]

i mean the neural sentry would theoretically be overprotective everywhere else the orokin ruled, like ballas' station on mars

[dire mountain]

I mean chances are some were just laying around the system during and after the Collapse

[tall echo]

Doubt that they'd just install it everywhere

[graceful swan]

The towers on other planets fell though leaving only the Void ones and Unum

[idle current]

my point is anywhere the orokin lived an ayatan would be, and its a little ridiculous to assume that a neural sentry would be everywhere

[tall echo]

Yes, that is ridiculous to assume

[tall echo]

By now you've evolved from wukong prime(?) to a void trace to a relic. Isn't that progression kinda backwards...?

[graceful swan]

Not exactly

Also you forgot my Drippy pfp

[tall echo]

Right

[dire mountain]

Close enough welcome back drippy

[graceful swan]

I cracked a relic using the traces and began again

[dire mountain]

End as you began

[tall echo]

I fear the drippy

[tall echo]

Erra's message has not reached me, for I am afraid

[fallen iris]

What are proto frames
Like did albrecht experiment on them?

[quick dawn]

The question is: who are the “Lords”? Because Erra says that during the Archon hunt. First there are the Lords. Then them, as Sentients. And then us, as Warframes.

[graceful swan]

I went among the denizens of the plague year like a saviour, my hands filled with healing. To those who volunteered, I brought more than mere health. Their bodies were primed; it needed only the Helminth infusions, brought from my own time, to work the alchemy of transformation. They have become partial warframes, still in possession of their free will, yet enhanced, Void-attuned, capable.

Their humanity may not last. My deliverance may yet consume them, the human swallowed up in the sacred beast. And if my wayward disciples turn on me, what words of comfort shall I have beyond: this is the bargain we have made. Through our sacrifice, history will be saved.

As their loyal doctor, I have taken repeated samples from them. The sight of their Technocyte-riddled cells mutating gave me fresh visions. I could take this material, work with it, forge new creations. Eagerly I brought the samples back to Deimos and began to cultivate them.

[fallen iris]

Where do you find this?

[graceful swan]

Kill the Whispers in the labs

[modern steppe]

what is this? Some sort of whispers in the labs?

[fallen iris]

So I know that Fred (helminth) calls us demon
But so does flare’s infested friend also calls us demon

Do the infested just refer to us as demon?

[strange plinth]

lizzie is also helminth, yeah

not sure about the wider infested but the helminth does call us demon due to the whole. void powers thing

[fallen iris]

That’s cool asf

Why does ballas call us devils then?

No relation?

[modern steppe]

not directly no

[fallen iris]

Or is it just because we “stole” margulis

[strange plinth]

no, balls was right
similar terms but its just describing the same aspect

[fallen iris]

I swear I didn’t mean to call him that

Though he does deserve it

[humble sierra]

His is more out of hatred, Helminth's is out of fear

[modern steppe]

^

[fallen iris]

Man I love this game

[modern steppe]

though in general the Tenno were feared because of their Void powers but it was primarily out of hatred rather than genuine fear

[humble sierra]

Lizzie chats imply the Infestation love us and that we just need to be exorcised

[modern steppe]

I mean they still feared it but not to the extent the Helminth does

[graceful swan]

Infestation love the frame not the demon

They fear the demon

They fear the Void

[fallen iris]

I love how anytime we interact with flare
She’s like “yea you better run”

As we leave

[placid cypress]

It would be cool if you could interact with Lizzie(deco) in backroom/orbiter

[graceful swan]

It makes sense why you can’t

Lizzie can’t talk without flare

[strange plinth]

i usually get "Remember.. we are your flesh..."

[placid cypress]

"You have been playing for over an hour. Please take a break"

"You have been playing for over an hour. Please take a break".

"You have been playing for over an hour. Please take a break"..

[graceful swan]

If you’re gonna use the quote
Say it correctly

[placid cypress]

Bruh

I copy pasted it from some guy in general

Blame him

[graceful swan]

I’m happy I swapped servers so I don’t get that message

When I was on the Europe one I got it all the time

[dense herald]

who is faster gauss or volt? all this while I thought gauss is faster but I saw a video and volt smoked gauss ingame

[graceful swan]

Volt is slightly faster gameplay wise
Lore wise there hasn’t been a race to find out

[strange plinth]

gameplay-wise, gauss has a higher base but lower max than volt
lore-wise, i don't think we've gotten a proper comparison
just that gauss is pretty fast in his prime trailer

-# basically the same thing but in more words..

[dense herald]

dang, and why did I see people mention titania who tf is she?

is she a new speedster?

[strange plinth]

older than gauss but i'm not sure by how much
but yeah, little fairy thing (in her 4) that is also very fast

[modern steppe]

ever since she got Razorwing Blitz she's basically the top 1 speedster

[dense herald]

wow

[graceful swan]

She the fastest frame because she can fly

[dense herald]

oh less obsticles to vault over

[modern steppe]

she gets obscene amounts of speed all by herself with no assistance

[dense herald]

wait titania can fly base? without the need for a archwing?

[strange plinth]

with her 4th ability active, yeah

[graceful swan]

She basically is equipped with an Archwing 24/7

[dense herald]

I want her, I didn't have the archwing ground versiont to allow me to fly in open world

unless the made it easier and faster to get that part since I last played

[strange plinth]

the archwing launcher? iirc it was just changed to just be in your inventory after the archwing quest

[dense herald]

really? awesome

I should have it then

[humble sierra]

She has an augment that makes it that every time she casts an ability while in Archwing form, she gets a speed boost

Stacks up to like 300% I think

[modern steppe]

which is obscene, not to mention it's modified by strength iirc

[humble sierra]

And of course, with a Volt and a Wisp, it can go even further beyond

[north jolt]

One time during Duviri Circuit I got Titania (with Razorwing Blitz) AND the 600% strength decree

The results were very funny

[covert swallow]

SOmething Ive said for ages. All we need is a Magenta Ayatan star to complete the CYM of a printer xD Color memories!

[sly pagoda]

Titania.

[north jolt]

So going to move it here cause seems more relevant, but why don't the Grineer ever use the normal humans they kidnap or hold hostage as a source of new genetic materials for cloning more soldiers?

[modern steppe]

That’s not how their cloning works for the most part

They don’t have the tech to do so and at most they can only clones the one they have access to

Which is the degrading Grineer that you see most of the time

Their ability to make such clones was lost when the Orokin fell

[north jolt]

It seems like Tyl Regor (before we came into the picture) has at least a somewhat better understanding of the cloning process then most. He never thought of just, kidnapping a few Ostrons or civies from the relays?

[graceful swan]

He was tasked with curing existing rot not getting better humans

[north jolt]

But it seems like the easiest way to cure the rot would be to just find new gene pools to clone from, and I would think Tyl Regor of all people could figure out a way to make that happen

[sly pagoda]

Its probable the Orokin made their genetics incompatible with normal humans. Or what counts as normal by whatever year we are in.

[north jolt]

Actually Ill admit to sometimes missing or overlooking lore stuff (which is why I come here), but do we actually know in any detail how the Grineer cloning process works? besides them just growing dudes in pods (or bags if we're talking ghouls)

Cause now Im thinking about how in nearly every scifi setting where cloned super soldiers exist, they never really address how a physically grown adult who JUST came out of the pod, also has the intelligence and mental capacity of an adult without any of the actual growing social experiences

[sullen shadow]

Why is it called operation 8 claw?
If we stretch and pretend that Oraxia have claws, she still only have 4?

[modern steppe]

It’s not elaborated upon besides the fact that since the Orokin fell, they lost access to perfectly clone themselves, which leads to clonerot

[north jolt]

Well 8 individual claws

No wait, does she?

SHE ONLY HAS 6!?

[sullen shadow]

4

[north jolt]

Oh ok, I see it in better quality pics now

But still WTF?

[dusk temple]

It might be Oraxia + Rusalka

[north jolt]

Wait if we count her humanoid limbs too, THEN we get 8!

https://tenor.com/view/big-brain-markiplier-gif-14835823

[dusk temple]

Cause Neci is missing a hand.

[scarlet socket]

i mean i get they have like endo and mods (cuz prob endo is just a material that helps to add in those mods to their weapons)
but how the ballas does scaldra have void relics lol XD

[placid cypress]

Blame the Void

[trail plover]

What’s the consensus on the two videos on the warframe YouTube channel rn

[tribal fossil]

1. We see something that is likely related to Tau, and maybe we finally go there
2. Nobody knows where the quote in the second video is from

[trail plover]

Ah

[eager dragon]

Really? I could have sworn I saw someone show it's from Hunhow or something.

[tribal fossil]

It's not in the Wiki transcripts anywhere so

If it is, it's not been recorded

[eager dragon]

What do you mean, it is:

How much do you recall, my Shadow? Do you even remember what came before this time of scars?
**Your masters sent steel and flesh to cross the gap: clay they wished to rule and sculpt into a new and toxic paradise. **Laughable. Even at the end, they never truly understood the answer lay not in things their stolen, blue-bloated fingers could covet.
The answer… was song. Your music reached our listening spines in Tau long before their rubble crusades.

https://wiki.warframe.com/w/Hunhow/Quotes

Search for "toxic"

[tribal fossil]

That...isn't the quote, that's the title of the video

[eager dragon]

Ah, oops

My bad

[chrome basalt]

Hey guys, I'm already at the point of hunting down the 3 archons in the new war quest and I still don't understand how narmer (ballas) became an emperor of sorts or like the god when he was put on a leash by erra before it happened. I need an explanation

[violet storm]

He sold us out to the Sentients, essentially

[tribal fossil]

Less of..put on a leash and more an alliance for a mutual outcome

[woven coyote]

Leash was to gaslight natah, thats why the leash is dropped when they are done with her

Did you skip the cutscenes before the new war?

[chrome basalt]

I didn't, it's just that my mind was a bit clouded while watching the cutscenes

[tribal fossil]

It's still very confusing even if you do watch everything, to be honest
I need Byf to come do another Warframe lore video

[woven coyote]

https://youtu.be/cCQuedE3Cqc?si=cSi12yHigojewNEi

She starts to question, they drop the pretense and kick her into the console or whatever that powers phragasa, leash is dropped along with the pretense

[chrome basalt]

Oh yeah, I forgot about that part that he did drop the leash. Man I hate Ballas so bad that I want each and every warframe to shred him into pieces.

[tribal fossil]

Welcome to the war, BabyTenno, we're glad you're here 😄

[violet storm]

Feel ya

[hybrid silo]

Where exactly is duviri?

[lean garden]

In the Void

[sly pagoda]

Until we learned about conceptual embodiment, I remember we had theories the Zariman was attempting to terraform the void.

[silk atlas]

...who's we

[pine orchid]

my friends and I were discussing this earlier, and they've brought up the points of

• If it is Tau, why does it look so desolate and dusty? The Sentients were sent to terraform it and the reason for their uprising against the Orokin was to prevent the ecosystem that's already there from becoming devastated, right?
• It might be the void or related to the void, since it looks like stone and sand on the ground like you'd see in the parts of sanctum anatomica that's been breached by the Void

so we think that rather than Tau system, the idea might be that after Eightclaw we're pushing Neci/Wally back into the Void and we chase after them there? If we were going to the Tau system it'd be after the void because from Zariman Ten Zero the intended route was Origin system -> Void -> Tau
Although, suppose Duviri itself could already count for the Void part of the journey, and Wally just decided to spit us out in Tau for funsies lmao

[silk atlas]

The only reason they had to terraform it is to be used for the Orokin. Sentients could just not need it terraformed.

Or, ironically, terraform it for their own ends.

There's no mention of there already being an ecosystem last I checked so idk.

[pine orchid]

That is true, they could've stopped before they actually did any terraforming and was left with fertile ground with potential for an earth-like ecosystem but didn't actually plant anything

[eager dragon]

We also don't know what happened in Tau after the Old War. It's been atleast a thousand years.

For all we know they may be in a civil war. Or all dead. Or thriving, I don't know.

[silk atlas]

They realized "Hey wait the Orokin are stupid" before they made it to Tau, during the journey

[pine orchid]

ah I was under the impression most of the sentients did make it to tau, only phragasa and hunhow remained and is the progenitor of all the sentient enemies we see now 🤔

[stiff fable]

Other way around, the Sentients who came here never truly left

They just went outside the solar system to wait for the all-clear signal

Ballas and Erra pulled that trigger in Prelude to War, which is how we got the New War

[tribal fossil]

I think it is still at least related to Tau, based on the evidence the first video presented
The quote is from the Zariman students right before the jump failure that would have taken them presumably to Tau
The frame is Mag Prime...why use Mag Prime then if not to signify Tau's "blue star?"
And the emphasis on blue light also leans towards this
Whether or not we actually see Tau, I won't judge unless DE say otherwise

[eager dragon]

I mean, they left the solar system before the Old War. Then came back. None of them left after that though.

[stiff fable]

But they didn't go back to Tau Ceti is my point

As for the Sentients who never left Tau, my working theory for the last few years has been "the Orokin did something terrible there" when they realized they couldn't take the system

[craggy ginkgo]

Not all of the Sentients who went to Tau came back to fight the orokin

[stiff fable]

Yep

Them, I think, had their entire system hit with a superweapon

And the survivors have been living in the ashes ever since

[pine orchid]

So yeah, Tau system should be crawling with Sentients
though then, why aren't there any sentients in the two new music videos? (as far as I can see)

[sly pagoda]

I mean i would not be surprised if the Orokin had some kind of “void nuke”. They care so little about life that hiding it on one of the troop ships and not telling anyone is also not out of the question

[tribal fossil]

yet

lol

[pine orchid]

My friends and I do think we might see Tau soon, just unsure if it will be happening immediately after this operation in a new update or if there's a few more steps we need to do before we get there

[stiff fable]

Going to Tau and it being a functional, working society is boring

[pine orchid]

and we're super excited for more LORE XD

[tribal fossil]

I'd actually enjoy a New War-sized campaign, cuz it'd be on schedule for DE, but I tthink they'll do it in steps

[stiff fable]

Going to Tau and seeing warring, de-evolved Sentients fighting over the remaining usable resources is par for course for Warframe

[sly pagoda]

Sentients encountered The Reapers and hacked them too. 😉

[pine orchid]

well I mean, it doesnt have to be a working society but the dead(?) frames in the video implied to me a fight or smth at least happened, and if it was a fight of warframes vs sentients, there's no casualties on the sentient side? not even one or two?

[sly pagoda]

For all we know the attempt of Ballas to go there at the end of TNW caused something to happen

[stiff fable]

Sentients die very differently than organic(ish) life

They would have all turned into eidolons

[craggy ginkgo]

There's what looks like an eidolon weakpoint in the shadows behind volt?

[pine orchid]

the synovia?

[craggy ginkgo]

Radiator like structure

Yeah

[pine orchid]

lemme squint at the video again-

[tribal fossil]

I'm more curious, if we do go to Tau, on how we'd get there
Do we get the Zariman un-stuck and the on-board systems get us there?
Do we find/build/use a Solar Rail?
Does Wally Void-jump us there?
Or do we find our own way to Tau?

[stiff fable]

There are a few ways I can think of

The easiest is the solar rail being linked back up

[silk atlas]

-Absolutely terrible idea
-Sentients broke their side of the rail
-Wally is literally trying to kill us rn I doubt he'll want to send us away to Tau

[stiff fable]

But I figure we can just follow Albrecht directly

[craggy ginkgo]

Solar rail reconstruction would make for a nice lead up event

[stiff fable]

He built a lab in Duviri and took it with him

But it's still part of Duviri

Just find the connection and presto Tau-o

[pine orchid]

Albrecht shenanigans is a reasonable suggestion I think, because in 1999 he is trying to go to Tau by causing the nuke explosion isnt he?

[stiff fable]

The nuke is to kick Wally back out

(The Murmur is weak to radiation)

[silk atlas]

Albrecht is also just gone so

[craggy ginkgo]

I thought it was more like, by killing the techrot the orokin never have to go to space hence none of the wally shenanigans in this timelin

[tribal fossil]

Wally might want to kill us, but he also enjoys making deals and playing games
What better way to get rid of us than to throw us to Tau, where we have no Lotus or Warframes to help us?

[stiff fable]

I wish but no, the reactor ALWAYS was supposed to blow up

It's a Y2K bug

Stopping the reactor from going up is the change

Going down? No wait, initiate.

[craggy ginkgo]

There's a mixup here somewhere, if the reactor blows up the techrot never leave holvannia

Then no nuke wars, no space age, no wally

[stiff fable]

No that's not correct, unfortunately. The techrot experiments will simply start up again elsewhere.

[pine orchid]

I figured the reactor was kinda both to go to tau and expel the murmur (or at least lure it away from 1999 like he tried to do, luring it away from loid by going to 1999)? but these do sound like he has plans to go to Tau

[stiff fable]

Hollvania was chosen for the experiments, but the planners were elsewhere

Same with Scaldra's bosses

[midnight niche]

It's also just incredibly hard to kill the technocyte I'm not sure a single nuke could do that even if it was blocked off to those city limits

[stiff fable]

Yeah. :<

[midnight niche]

You can beat it back but uprooting it entirely is a different story

[pine orchid]

also, in the current history wasnt there nuke wars and the techrot survives into the future anyway?

[midnight niche]

Correct