lore-discussion

[proper barn]

Did we play the same quest?

[woven coyote]

So you dont really have anything to confirm your thought that it was retconned besides your interpretation

[somber adder]

If you can’t see it as a retcon that’s you being intentionally obtuse

It’s very clearly a retcon of intention

[proper barn]

No I'm being actue.

[restive river]

Stalker didn’t know what was wrong with her or how to help her
That’s why he went to us
He also didn’t recognize her

[proper barn]

Idk about didn't recognize her.

[woven coyote]

It isnt at all but you cant accept the possibility of being wrong

[strange plinth]

stalker gradually remembers her -and why/how she's in danger- throughout the quest

[restive river]

It very clearly is not a retcon cause that was never stated, at most it’s an interpretation that has been argued about for years before jade shadows.

[somber adder]

He didn’t recognise her outright but I’d say he knew she was familiar

[somber adder]

K

[restive river]

He explicitly did not recognize her
Jade says so herself :p

[somber adder]

You were wrong about Tau so idk why you’re talking

Lol jk

[strange plinth]

what

[restive river]

Fix your attitude.

[somber adder]

Hmm no

I like it as it is

[placid cypress]

alyxis would not like where this is going

[restive river]

It’s not very conducive for having discussions

[normal mountain]

What's obvious to one person isn't always obvious to another
Especially when the storytelling relies more on allusion then actual confirmation
That being said, the Jade Memory Feathers said that Stalker didn't recognize Jade on the Night of the Naga Drums
Now, if this changed afterwards, before she died in the quest, that's something I clearly missed

[somber adder]

Anyway what Cavia member would be most likely to join a gang

[placid cypress]

also hi ducky

[somber adder]

I think Bird because he’s not aware of what a gang is

[restive river]

Nor was I wrong about Tau
I’ve been wanting Tau, but there’s issues with going to Tau
Like
Us not having a defined reason.

[restive river]

Hello!

[somber adder]

The teaser they dropped is very clearly Tau

Dead Mag Prime and blue sunlight

[restive river]

Yeah, the new one

[somber adder]

Music that talks about a distant shore

[restive river]

I’m not a Tau denier like you’re assuming :p

[placid cypress]

and a dead lotus

[restive river]

I’ve never been a Tau denier

[proper barn]

@restive river also i was wrong lmao. it will happen again.

[somber adder]

you literally were a tau denier tho

[restive river]

I wasn’t :/

Thanks for stating my own opinions though

[somber adder]

You were :/

[restive river]

I wasn’t

[somber adder]

In response to me stating that we are going to Tau you said we are not

That is denying Tau

[restive river]

Do I think Tau this year?
No
Do I think it’s coming?
Yeah
Do we, in universe have a reason or method to go there?
No
Will we?
Yes!

[normal mountain]

I think Tagfer
He's certainly moody enough to fit right in

[placid cypress]

word

[somber adder]

Reason: Albrecht and also war
Method: Yonta. Zariman.

This year? Absolutely not! An entire star chart in less than half a year? It’d need to suck for that to happen

[normal mountain]

Using the Zariman would involve unplugging a Void Rift that would cause catastrophe on a great deal of the Origin System

[restive river]

Counterpoint: why go to war with the sentients? Albrecht’s the only reason and he said literally one thing
Also the Zariman just isn’t a method to go there

[somber adder]

We can do it I believe in us

[placid cypress]

could be progressive, 1 planet per 2 months

[restive river]

We presently have no way to get to Tau
But
We can find a way there

[glacial bough]

Tau being an entire star chart is a massive jump

[restive river]

We also have no reason to go there beyond Albrecht
Like
There’s literally no reason to start a war with the Sentients (who would kick our butts btw)

[somber adder]

We went to 1999 to follow Albrecht why not follow him to Tau

[restive river]

If we get there and they fight us? Sure
But we shouldn’t go there looking to fight them.

[strange plinth]

-# we barely won against them while they were sterile

[restive river]

We don’t even know for sure he’s at Tau nor how he would even get there.

[somber adder]

Seems like the natural progression of things to follow the guy we’re following

[glacial bough]

Because right now there's no confirmation he is or has gone

[somber adder]

He’s the guy who does stuff, he can do this stuff too

[restive river]

Yes
We still don’t know for sure if he is there or how he’s there
That’s the issue

[placid cypress]

our railjack is probably gonna get stolen and used as a solar rail amplifier hence the finger will get sent to tau and we gotta go get it

[restive river]

Oh so he’ll just defeat wally too just cause he can do stuff
Okay

[somber adder]

That’s why we’re going to find out where he is and then follow him

[somber adder]

Obviously not

[restive river]

We don’t have the original ):

[placid cypress]

ah

[restive river]

We don’t know where the originals are

[normal mountain]

I mean, I did have a very weird idea
The Zariman we know is basically an Eternalism fusion of every Zariman Ten-Zero that got lost in the Void, right?
What if we could pull out just one version of the Zariman from the fused ship, and use that?

No idea how feasible that would be (probably not at all), but it was a thought I had once

[restive river]

Which tbh
If they are in Tau that’d be neat :)

[placid cypress]

maybe at tau lol XD

[placid cypress]

yeah just my thoughtsXD 1 per planet

[somber adder]

Space travel by the man who invented FTL space travel and defeating God by the guy who maybe created God are kind of different orders of difficulty

Keyword: maybe

We don’t know :P

[restive river]

I like the idea we could use the mag that’s in Tau
Ofc the main issue with most methods to Tau is the fact we need our gear

[somber adder]

I mean… 1999

We got there by making an Excalibur and then Albrecht magic got our gear there

[restive river]

He didn’t invent space travel, he accidentally got the fingers and the Orokin went from there
Nor is Wally a god, he’s godlike but not a god

[somber adder]

You’re being pedantic for no reason.

[glacial bough]

There's no reason to think there's anything to use like that in Tau to begin with

[restive river]

Okay?
Sorry

[placid cypress]

that is lore tho

[normal mountain]

Ehhh
I'm hesitant to call Wally "God"
Might qualify as a little-g god
But he is in no way a Capital-G God

[somber adder]

Yeah that was autocorrect sorry lol

[restive river]

I mean there’s that Mag but she’s def out of commission and ofc there’s the issue of not having any gear

It’s a nice idea since we did the same with 1999 somewhat but it, like the other methods (railjack, zariman) don’t really work

[normal mountain]

All good
It happens

[somber adder]

Deep lore time: why is swearing banned on a server for a game that has swearing

[placid cypress]

they could always pull a game restart, we transfer into mag or other and basically start again ina new system

[glacial bough]

That's my point though, there's no proper reason to think there's a Mag in Tau.

[placid cypress]

yes

[restive river]

That could be neat

[normal mountain]

Probably because up until Drifter, there wasn't a whole lot of actual cussing

[restive river]

What
Did you not see the new teaser?

[somber adder]

I think they mean story-wise

We wouldn’t know about that Mag

[placid cypress]

quest would be called "Re-Awakening" linking back to the firstquest and linking forward to the start of a new journey

[restive river]

Oh yeah ofc we wouldn’t :)

[somber adder]

Absolute cinema

[humble sierra]

replace batman with cinema, I don't have the reaction saved

[somber adder]

No absolute batman works

[restive river]

https://tenor.com/view/absolute-cinema-raccoon-absolute-cinema-gif-17862327649353748812

[proven ridge]

Well, he can alter the structure of space itself. That's fairly something a god can do

[glacial bough]

I have. The teaser doesn't indicate anything other than tease Tau. Until Tennocon there's no actual reason to think that Mag is in Tau

[digital lark]

Why the protoframes so freaky in the backrooms, aoi talking bout some “this is real gold, we could make handcuffs outta this.”

[normal mountain]

Complete with a Sentient officer called the Voralyst

[strange plinth]

blue light + likely link to the mag prime codex

[somber adder]

I mean… Mag Prime’s codex

[restive river]

Using that Mag Prime as a method to Tau involves us knowing about it
Which we don’t, presently
All our methods to Tau involve stuff we just don’t know or have yet tbh

[restive river]

Mag prime codex:

[proven ridge]

Didn't even mention that it can give void powers that can shoot deadly beams

[somber adder]

Maybe Pazuul actually receives visions from Tau and if we give him some good kush he’ll let us know what they say

[glacial bough]

I know. The point still stands

[somber adder]

Stealing that

[restive river]

Why tease tau then show an unrelated mag prime lol

[humble sierra]

Just got it off google (which got it from a reddit post)

[restive river]

To reference the mag prime codex where a mag prime literally makes it to Tau???

I don’t think I’m following your logic, sorry

[restive river]

There’s one for like every frame lmao

[glacial bough]

The Mag isn't unrelated, it's all a teaser towards Tau stuff. What I'm saying is that we have no actual reason to think that Mag is actually somewhere in Tau yet.

[humble sierra]

I feel like the creator did them all in captura, absolute cinema dedication

[restive river]

Other than the blue light and the fact the codex is about her in tau…?

[eternal ether]

i know this might sound like a wild idea, but given how warframe's story is about time loops and such, is it possible that all the mission dialogue itself is one big message from the indifference?

[sly pagoda]

The Codex hints that mag on the story went into a no win battle with the soldier they rescued.

[eternal ether]

but the only way we'd experience it is in pieces during our loops

[humble sierra]

Very little of Warframe's story is time loop related

[placid cypress]

i still beleive taus star looks like this

[modern steppe]

Blue light is iffy but the Mag Prime is definitely supposed to relate to Tau or at the very least something heavily Sentient related

[normal mountain]

Again, they mean story-wise
Our character has no way of knowing there's a Mag there for us

[eternal ether]

every time i hear someone say this, DE releases another update about eternalism

[restive river]

Cool :)

[restive river]

Ah, then yeah our tenno has no idea about that

Unless us reading codex entries is canon

But even then that’d be an assumption

[glacial bough]

We have the same blue light effect on Lua as well. The codex definitely makes it a point towards some reveal about Tau content, but not that the Mag is somehow in Tau

[humble sierra]

What's this discourse about? Why does our character not knowing impact that? Idk I wasn't paying attention

[normal mountain]

That... is a surprisingly good question

[restive river]

They literally have not used eternalism that much what are you talking about

[sly pagoda]

Maybe that Mag is how we initially get to Tau. Have we ever been hinted at a range limitation for Transferance.

[proven ridge]

In fact, Tau Ceti is supposed to look a lot like the sun, just a bit smaller.

[humble sierra]

Well, we can Scan things and fragments in-game, so presumably we're scanning for something

[restive river]

If the teaser is about tau
And shows the mag prime which makes us think of the mag that went to tau
Then why is that not the mag from tau

[placid cypress]

was jst looking at that, what if the tau enemies look/are similar to this color scheme?

[humble sierra]

Or maybe the Tenno doesn't know how to read because they didn't learn before the Zariman went kaput. Disregard the fact that one of them read a storybook and basically built their whole life around it albeit unintentionally.

[restive river]

We transferenced backwards in time over a great spacial distance
So
No limit

[proven ridge]

I have no idea but that was obtainable during orphix venom wasn't it?

[restive river]

Like the earth was not in the same place it’s in now when we went to 1999

[proven ridge]

Or scarlet spear

[restive river]

Oh I love this idea

[normal mountain]

Just an event exclusive weapon
Can get it now during Eight Claw even

[proven ridge]

Oh ok

[placid cypress]

its obtainable in eight claw right now potentially another hint about tau

[restive river]

It was originally available during one of the preludes to war events

[humble sierra]

Well it was in BOTB too, now it's just an operation event reward

[restive river]

^^

[normal mountain]

Like the Basmu

[restive river]

Yup

Still sad they never brought back the hologram earth ):

[proven ridge]

Possibly yeah

[normal mountain]

That reminds me, which would you rather have with Caliban Prime Access
Basmu Prime, or Shedu Prime?

[restive river]

Then parvos wanting jade is also a hint to tau

[restive river]

Shedu Prime

[strange plinth]

shedu imo
more arm cannons

[glacial bough]

Because that's a separate line of logic. Mag indicates a teaser for Tau. It does not mean it's the exact same one or that it's on Tau at that very moment

[proven ridge]

She du prime would be crazy, but it didn't launch with a warframe so it's very unlikely imo

[humble sierra]

Side note, are the Archons canonically repurposed Warframes? Is there any lore/dialogue about it? Or is it just a case of reusing assets?

[modern steppe]

all we know is that the heads are grafted onto them

[placid cypress]

erra isnt a warframe if that helps

[proven ridge]

We'll have venato prime and caliban prime in the next prime access most likely

[sly pagoda]

I will say that song from the trailer gives me “Daughter of the Sea” vibes.

[strange plinth]

iirc hunhow mentions they were made on a battlefield "where warframe and sentient fell"
so i believe the warframe bit is canon

[restive river]

So lemme get this straight
The mag is there to make us think of Tau but the one we see possibly isn’t on Tau?
I don’t follow that logic, if she’s there to make us think of Tau why wouldn’t it be the mag that made it there?

[restive river]

Or Gyre Prime!

[restive river]

Neither did Basmu iirc

[humble sierra]

That Mag Prime probably won't do anything besides be a corpse in a cutscene, it's kinda funny we've got this discourse over it

[restive river]

Shedu relates more to Erra and thus Caliban
Totally
Also more arm cannons pls

[strange plinth]

i'd argue the blue light and "forlorn shore" as well as the.. quote at the end of it that i don't remember.. points far more to tau than just the mag prime body there

[restive river]

Yeah lol

[normal mountain]

Sorta repurposed
Erra grafted Sentient heads to warframe bodies
then had his own head replaced with another Sentient's

[modern steppe]

I don't know why you're discussing on how Mag could or could not be in Tau, there's no other context to suggest either

for all we know it could literally just be a random cave in whatever space asteroid there is

[proven ridge]

Gyre is after caliban, and they usually do a prime cycle where you get a male warframe after a female one and a male again etc. Last prime access was yareli prime, now we'll get caliban for sure

[modern steppe]

we don't even know what Tau looks like, and saying that there's blue lighting is an iffy statement since it literally could just be the ambient lighting of a cave

[restive river]

She’s actually a secret other mag that made it to proxima centauri!

[proven ridge]

Ye

[restive river]

Who was before yareli tho

[sly pagoda]

The Mag Prime codex mentioned a blue star.

[proven ridge]

Lavos?

[modern steppe]

yes but we're in a cave or somewhere very dark, and the lighting suggests that it's foggy

[sly pagoda]

We are working on the data sets we have to fill the week till Tennocon. 🙂

[restive river]

Tbh with the teaser featuring very possible hints towards tau and dialogue from the Zariman both Gyre Prime and Caliban Prime would fit for whatever they announce

[normal mountain]

Looks like Sevagoth

[restive river]

So wouldn’t it be Gyre next :?

[humble sierra]

Dual Prime would go insane

[modern steppe]

just because it's blue isn't really strong evidence given the setting of the scene

[proven ridge]

Yes

[restive river]

I meant or but actually yeah that would go crazy-

[proven ridge]

Caliban then gyre

[modern steppe]

it's a very loose connection

[humble sierra]

Oh yeah I know you meant or

[sly pagoda]

I just hope we get the full version of that song

[restive river]

Oh ok lol

[strange plinth]

yareli would be "linked" with protea, no?
so we don't know where the pattern is continuing until either gyre or caliban are announced

[round schooner]

hoping for caliban prime so my wallet won't have to weep lol

[restive river]

Caliban Prime and Gyre Prime
The one made from Tau
The one who never went to Tau

[proven ridge]

Would caliban prime make sense lore-wise? Caliban is a warframe that got sentient parts added iirc

[restive river]

But what if he’s really cool

[restive river]

Depends on if they have time to give him a trailer to explain it

[proven ridge]

So caliban prime would be the warframe without sentient parts added I suppose?

[round schooner]

I don't play him hehe

[eternal ether]

so, my line of thinking in regards to eternalism:
it's used repeatedly to show that time is looping on itself, (1999, duviri, for example) one of the points made during i believe it's the zariman quest is that a principle of it is sharing power from yourself in another timeline/loop, which we quite literally do in duviri and 1999, where those loops will give resources/affinity/etc to our Origin System, or Share their power power with our main system. since we ourselves exist within these loops, we're able to more directly share with ourself.

[round schooner]

I do play gyre

[modern steppe]

well Caliban is a Warframe that got sentient parts, nothings stopping the Orokin from grafting ornaments on him

[normal mountain]

Makes more sense than Revenant Prime
Caliban was made in the Old War
by Erra, but still

[proven ridge]

You should

[restive river]

Caliban is an Erra original so he’d always have those presumably

[humble sierra]

I hope we get a schedule like last year, how they announced Lotus Eaters first in August, "unnamed" which was Koumei in September/October, then the big update with 1999 in December

[restive river]

Assuming they’d use a design made by their enemy (they would)

[proven ridge]

OK, so caliban is 100% sentient?

[restive river]

Y’know what I really want if we’re going to Tau soon?
Sentinel lore
Why are they sorta like sentient? What’s up with that?

[modern steppe]

you're forgetting that the Warframe project is spearheaded by Ballas and was also in cahoot with the Sentients the entire time, nothings stopping him

[normal mountain]

Either that, or Ballas decided to "make him prettier"

[restive river]

More a hybrid

[glacial bough]

Because it being the exact same one is a further leap of logic than it being a reference point towards Tau with the presented information of the teaser. More so to think it's somewhere in Tau at the very moment.

[restive river]

You just didn’t read where I said they would do that lol

[humble sierra]

Technically the sentients are Orokin creations so it's more like when you design a patent while employed at a company and then they own the full thing because of some scumbag clause in the fine-print

[modern steppe]

I'm just saying

there's more detail to that statement

[restive river]

Again
I said they would use a design their enemy made lol

[normal mountain]

...Ballas would totally use that logic

[modern steppe]

he's a hybrid warframe of Sentient and Helminth

[humble sierra]

Actually that sounds like the peak Corpus mindset now that I think about it

[modern steppe]

and nothings stopping Ballas from blinging him up

[restive river]

I mean I suppose but I don’t see how it’s that much of a leap if it’s meant to tease tau, she’s there to make us think of her getting to tau
Like to me the pieces fit, but we’ll see when it’s announced ig :)

[proven ridge]

Like a warframe but instead of picking a random person Ballas took a sentient?

[modern steppe]

no

the more likely scenario is that he was a Warframe like the rest, and then got sentient parts grafted into him

[glacial bough]

I'm not disagreeing in regards to things pointing towards Tau. My point was there not being much reason to go further and think that Mag is somewhere inside of Tau at this very moment

[restive river]

Caliban is 1/3 human 1/3 infested and 1/3 sentient
Totally

[placid cypress]

apart from the fact he ded :p

[restive river]

Tbh if Caliban Prime is more of a Narmer design that Pazuul or Erra made that’d be really cool

[modern steppe]

all the warframes were made during the Old War

[proven ridge]

Alright

[normal mountain]

No
Caliban was made from fusing Sentient bits with Warframe bits, just like the Archons
But a bit "better" imo

[proven ridge]

OK I think I get it

Even tho that's kinda what I said

[placid cypress]

Narmer will probably smash together caliban with some orokin parts

[normal mountain]

Revenant being the super weird exception
He existed then, but not as Revenant as we know him

[strange plinth]

then it comes back to
if we know a mag prime made it to tau from the mag prime codex, and we're shown a mag prime in a trailer that points towards tau in a bunch of other ways, why is it "a big leap" to assume its the same mag prime?

[modern steppe]

still existed in the Old War but yea he's the weird one out of everyone

[proven ridge]

So caliban prime existing wouldn't make much sense after all

[glacial bough]

It makes perfect sense

[normal mountain]

It would make perfect sense, wdym?

[placid cypress]

what actually happened to the solar rail that took them all to tau?

[glacial bough]

Caliban existed in the Old War, and Ballas would've had two separate opportunities to get his hands on them

[glacial bough]

The Sentient destroyed the Rail on our end

[proven ridge]

From what I understood caliban is both a warframe and a sentient

[normal mountain]

Sentients blew up our side
Unknown if the Tau side is intact

[proven ridge]

Why would we have "sentient prime" parts

[normal mountain]

when in doubt, blame Ballas

[strange plinth]

why.. wouldn't we?

[placid cypress]

tbh, why wouldnt we, the orokin literally created sentients, whose to say they didnt prime them

[humble sierra]

Erra made Caliban out of a Warframe

[modern steppe]

nothing is stopping the Orokin from taking Caliban and giving it Prime Parts

[humble sierra]

He could have made spare/better parts and the Caliban we have is just a normal one

And Caliban Prime was a more experimental/regal one that he tried to realize

[normal mountain]

Or the other way around, and the Caliban we have is a poor imitation
although if it is the case, Caliban Prime is gonna be yikes levels of strong

[proven ridge]

So caliban prime might be less functional than the non prime one? XD

Just kidding

[humble sierra]

Oh I meant more like

"OMG I'm a genius this Warframe I'm making is going to be super sick, look at all these shiny gold things I picked up, Sentient technology will make them so much cooler. Aw dang it, I have no clue if this'll work though. I don't want to risk using these parts just yet until I know how to actually make a Warframe, lemme do a trial run"

[placid cypress]

Caliban Prime = Protovyre Caliban

[normal mountain]

PROTO CALIBAN?
jk 😜

[proven ridge]

Let's get caliban apex bois

[placid cypress]

couldnt even exist anyway :p

lmao proto caliban is just some random conculyst

[humble sierra]

omfg I can't even read Absolute Batman in peace without him showing up

Bro's spamming it

[proven ridge]

It's like Ballas brought an entire prime warframe and erra added sentient parts just for fun

[humble sierra]

I understand it's a fairly common thing to say but I find it interesting that every time I've seen it pop up, it's usually early-on in something. Alan Wake 2, it's like, the second cutscene. Fallout 4, Piper says it to her sister when you first enter Diamond City (not that early but you can actually speedrun to it). And this is only Issue 1 of Absolute Batman

[mossy zodiac]

man it's always so weird to see other human beings in the hollvania shop

[proper barn]

I mean it's cool actually seeing the civilians we are helping.

[mossy zodiac]

i want to convert them into void angels

i want them nice and beautiful

i want them to know the indifference about their choices

[sage moat]

evil kiwi

[fallen fog]

Unrelated but touching back up on my misunderstanding of the infestation as I've just reached Lephantis steel path. One of its lines "why do you destroy us, we are your flesh" is another thing that contributed to that but I see that it's just seeing another type of infestation in general, not that they are literally the same strain

[proper barn]

yes. also Lephantis was also a demosticated infested.

[high bay]

Who has a higher kill count, your bog standard Tenno or TFS Alucard?

[smoky solstice]

idk when lephantis came out, ik there were a lot of small lines through warframe before second dream came out that teased all of this stuff, wouldn't be surprised if you could figure a lot of this out before the sacrifice came out, so I assume this was just one of the lines that kinda revealed the twist before we got the twist to people who were paying attention

[tall echo]

You can't, they're not void constructs

[restive river]

Yeah, they should turn them into new warframes instead

[humble sierra]

Some guy stumbles into a storage room, finds a cryogenic freezer full of Helminth Serum vials and just mistakes it for a fancy beer cooler

[sly pagoda]

Titania IPA.... "Hey why am I a lady that can shrink and fly around with unlimited ammo machine pistols".

[covert swallow]

Some Sentry level lore starting there Lol

[woven trench]

Ok,since Isleweaver dropped I'm abit confused

Have Nesi Resulka been taken over by Wally or does she still have her own consciousness?

[lean garden]

yes

[woven trench]

Because some lines sounds like it's coming from Wally yet the tone and delivery is very out of character

[strange plinth]

Neci's been possessed, it seems
unlike albrecht or any of the other forms wally uses

[woven trench]

Yet she doesn't seem to loose herself

[strange plinth]

she's there, somewhat. wally calls the body "chewed up"
and its implied she was on death's door when she finally took the deal, based on Along Came A Spider and the line about effervon

and the whole.. responding to the first half of "on empty crossroads, seek the eclipse"

[woven trench]

Wally prob took over when Albericht told us to kill her

[strange plinth]

she was under wally's control long before that
probably before the quest started

has a "hey, kiddo" line n everything

[covert swallow]

Yeahp, Im wondering though, what is Wally's reasoning for leaving her mental faculties "intact"?

[woven trench]

It's funny that all of her crashout lines during isleweaver is coming from Wallie 😭

Also I feel like DE is getting stingy with story quest

[strange plinth]

wally gets so pissed about alchemy, its incredible

[woven trench]

Crazy how we dint get one during this patch when it 1000% warrants one

[woven trench]

"Stop it,that's unnatural!" Says the eldritch entity from the void

[woven trench]

Bro prob dint get a single tennokai drop from a 50 wave run 😭

[strange plinth]

eh. maybe a little cutscene like is in promo ads, but i don't think you can really get an interesting quest out of Duviri Paradox 2

[woven trench]

I sure would love to know how tf the mf from the past manage to get to my pocket dimension though

[lean garden]

wally duh

[woven trench]

Same goes for the Coda aswell
How tf did they get to space

[strange plinth]

the long way

[lean garden]

they waited

[woven trench]

Waited for what???

[lean garden]

you

[woven trench]

Fr though how they got there?

[tall echo]

They waited.

[lean garden]

we're being very literal here

[woven trench]

I feel like rebecca is slowly giving less shit about the story and just doing anything for the sake of cool

[strange plinth]

wally still retains his abilities, clearly, no reason he couldn't take neci's body with him to the "new duviri"
why he's specifically using her form during all that, ig its to tie the 'losing hollvania' to the 'taking duviri' thing

[woven trench]

Wait for WHAT???

[tall echo]

The future

[lean garden]

YOU

[woven trench]

Yoi telling me these mf waited for thousands of years just to launch a stadium into space???

[tall echo]

Yeah no that's just not the case at all

[strange plinth]

yeah basically

there's a number of ways for the infestation to reach orbit and lay dormant there anyway

[woven trench]

Ok. Reasonable enough.

[woven trench]

But my main concern is that they're supposed to be from the PAST

How did they get to us,in the FUTURE?

[tall echo]

And they waited

[tall echo]

By waiting.

[woven trench]

That's some dedication

[lean garden]

like we've been repeatedly saying, they waited

[strange plinth]

void dna signature. it isn't going away anytime soon, as arthur says

[woven trench]

Why do you have Zavala's house as your pfp?

[proper barn]

Not true. Also I would say She's done the best story updates so far. You can't tell me 1999 and the kim chats aren't dripping with lore. The first update she was the lead on WAS THE ZARIMAN. A Place mentioned in the lore like for the longest time.

[lean garden]

why not

[woven trench]

Ngl Zariman is so ass
So little actual story
Shit feels like Saya's Vigil level of quality

[proper barn]

I disagree.

[lean garden]

wasnt she doing tnw?

[tall echo]

Every update aside from maybe dagath has been continuous story

[proper barn]

We aren't gonna agree. Also the Zariman is my favorite update @woven trench

[tall echo]

The quest, yes. The location, no.

[woven trench]

That's good for you
But hell nah to me

[proper barn]

Not as the lead. The Zariman was the first one with her at the lead fully.

[woven trench]

I have nothing in the location
It's completely fine. (The aesthetic is not ky taste)

[proper barn]

It has the best boss fight in the game. It made exploration good again.

[strange plinth]

huh?
we get some good detail on what was going on with the zariman through that
the quest isn't great on lore, but the rank up cutscenes and stuff hidden in the tilesets have a ton

[proper barn]

It Gave us INCARNONS AND MOLT AUGMENTED.

[woven trench]

I would say my favourite story quest so far is prob 1999
With my favourite location being the Entrati labs.

[proper barn]

It made focus not suck

[proper barn]

Also those are 2 Reb updates.

[woven trench]

She only got better as time goes on

[proper barn]

You can't tell me incarnons aren't great

[woven trench]

Though I really want to know what Lotus meant by the event if Hollovania will shape the future

[proper barn]

If you tell me that you're a liar.

[woven trench]

I like them
But I can see why some people don't

[proper barn]

I don't their wrong.

[woven trench]

They kind of ruined the weapon balancing
Though who really gives a f

[proper barn]

Okay that's kinda mean but it felt so good to say though.

[lean garden]

techrot started in hollvania, techrot will spread to the world, rad wars will start from there

[proper barn]

No they didn't? They are making weapons that are bad and old good again.

[woven trench]

I fw incarnons
But half of the time I try to not use them as much

[proper barn]

Why?

Do you hate yourself? Do you hate fun? What are we doing here?

[woven trench]

Rad wars?

[proper barn]

This is like if you told me you didn't use galv mods or the new arcanes

Like why are you breaking your own feet

[woven trench]

I like fun ):

[strange plinth]

the radiation wars
at least 18 of them

[proper barn]

Yeah in duviri they talk about the 18th?

With a hive cluster being destroyed.

[strange plinth]

yeah there's a tablet that asks about what ended the 18th
arctic hive cluster's destuction

[woven trench]

Tf
Dint the Orokin made the infestation to combat sentient?
1999 is wayyy before that

[strange plinth]

no the infestation itself existed back in 1999
orokin never created the infestation

[proper barn]

Yes. But that's a domesticated strain.

[tall echo]

The answer is no

[proper barn]

Like imagine the Infested is a canine. Canine existed for years before being domesticated and even now there are wolves.

[tall echo]

Orokin never made any infested strain

[woven trench]

F you mean domesticated?
Shit is as unhinged as a mutant virus could be

[proper barn]

Cultivated.

[tall echo]

Helminth

[proper barn]

No? The Helminth listens to us does what we ask it to do. It's even sterile and can't infect other things around warframes.

[strange plinth]

the helminth is a "tame" strain of the infestation that.. really just makes and nurtures warframes. not much else
its also hungry, i guess

[proper barn]

Is that not domesticated?

[woven trench]

Ok but how about the main strain that cause most of the problem?

[proper barn]

Also it can"play" with your Dogs and Cats.

[tall echo]

That's not the one vinny is talking about

[proper barn]

Also it repairs ours frames it's why they aren't like

[woven trench]

Ok so the tech rot is the first strain if rhe infestation?

[proper barn]

Rotting or have bullet holes or blood on them all the time.

[tall echo]

Yes

[proper barn]

No just old.

[strange plinth]

first known, essentially

[tall echo]

Well first one we know of

[proper barn]

It doesn't start in 1999

It starts earlier but the tech rot is the earliest we know.

[strange plinth]

yeah that's just when it.. breaks containment
wherever "containment" was

[woven trench]

Ok so now we technically stopped it from spreading to any other parts of the world right?

[proper barn]

No

[tall echo]

Never was contained, just not as evolved

[lean garden]

we kinda did the opposite

[proper barn]

We stop the nuke that would have stopped it.

[tall echo]

Ha
No

[proper barn]

But also the Helminth and maybe other infested can see through all time at once.

Which very odd.

[woven trench]

So we basically bring the techrot to the future?

[proper barn]

No?

Cuz it already exists in the future.

Its werid.

[woven trench]

The mutalist?

[tall echo]

Because of us, technically

[proper barn]

What

[proper barn]

All of the Infested is just tech rot later.

[tall echo]

The techrot eventually evolves into the infestation

[proper barn]

Yeah.

[strange plinth]

in a roundabout way, ig
it was already there, the reactor exploding (a change by albrecht iirc) would've prevented it, we prevent the reactor explosion, infestation is still in the future

[woven trench]

Because from what I can understand the techrot doesn't exist anymore in our current timeliness cuz of Hollovania nuke
But since we went back in time and stopped it,then the tech rot will continue to invade the world,and eventually the stars,correct?

[proper barn]

Lizzie gives us a unique view on what the infestation/tech rot is. And how she (part of the Helminth) can see all of the Infested trendinls in all of time at once.

[tall echo]

@woven trench

[strange plinth]

mutalist was rediscovered/cultivated by alad v
but it is the closest to the "original" techrot in 1999

[lean garden]

Because from what I can understand the techrot doesn't exist anymore in our current timeliness cuz of Hollovania nuke
❌
Hollvania nuke does not happen in our timeline

[proper barn]

We might have always stopped it.

[woven trench]

Wait...
No techrot=no infestation
No infestation=...no warframe?

[tall echo]

Yes

[proper barn]

Question

How do we explain the coda since you can do those before you stop the bomb

[tall echo]

Time is a circle

[woven trench]

I fu..ing hate eternalisme.

[lean garden]

nothing to do with eternalism

[strange plinth]

thats.. probably gameplay > lore tbh

[lean garden]

^

[proper barn]

That's not what eternlism is.

[lean garden]

did they not lock out coda until after you do the finale?

[proper barn]

No?

[lean garden]

lol wack

[strange plinth]

doesn't eternalism do like.. 2 or 3 things?
driter and their duviri, then the false duviri that wally's trying to make real atm
.. strands of khra are.. grabbing from 'unrealized universes' or whatever?

[woven trench]

Wait so we got to 1999 trough Helminth
Does all the infestation exist all at once across time?

[lean garden]

across time? connected, all at once? eh

theyre basically on a cross-temporal discord call

[proper barn]

At least helminth is

[proper barn]

okay the false duviri and duviri are not that. they are conceptual embodiment.

now the strands of khra maybe?

now the drifter is eternalism.

[strange plinth]

duviri was conceptually embodied, yeah, but was it before drifter merged with our reality or after?
if it was before, then it could've been brought through eternalism
either way, drifter is the main thing, duviri itself doesn't really matter there
-# lmao i put before in there twice

[proper barn]

i mean the void

is like all times and realities at once seemingly

and it's before cuz that's what they do while they are trapped in the void

[strange plinth]

fair

[tall echo]

...before. Obviously.

[strange plinth]

yeah. i thought that, maybe there was a point where operator and the rest of the tenno were gone that drifter could reappear in before duviri was created?
iirc there's something about the rest of them being gone
but yea its simpler that they just appear later on

[tall echo]

What

[strange plinth]

and looking at strands of khra, they're also different from eternalism entirely
so its still just drifter

[strange plinth]

wasn't thought through very well, obviously

[tall echo]

I have no idea what you even said

[unique talon]

Talking about lore

While I was suggesting a tank warframe in the forum, would a mix between a warframe and necramech make sense?

Or if rather father or entrati and ballas worked on this warframe to counter the sentients?

[lean garden]

not as some weird prototype

the warframe project did not borrow design notes from the necramechs

[lucid frost]

mesa or octavia who would win

[graceful swan]

The one you're using

[unique talon]

Maybe a prototype yes

[lean garden]

Im saying a prototype wouldnt make sense

[unique talon]

Every work starts with a prototype

Maybe their first failed try to make a warframe?

[lean garden]

except that we know that the warframes werent a reiteration of the necramechs

they were an entirely new idea

[lucid frost]

honestly cant hate this response

gotta give it too octavia tho, invisibility is crazy

[tall echo]

Reading comprehension

[proven ridge]

if caliban prime launches, maybe we'll be able to summon "evolved" sentients from the Tau system. If there are any

[lean garden]

while cool, fanfic doesnt belong in #lore-discussion

[outer sonnet]

Yea, I contemplated but didn't see another channel fitting, aside from maybe #warframe-general

[hollow siren]

The Tenno were in stasis on Lua when it was hidden in the Void, so technically yeah that would open Reality up for Drifter

Not that they could actually get there at that point, but still

They theoretically could exist in Reality during that time

[digital lark]

So does the lotus technically exist in the universe duviri takes place in?

[hollow siren]

she is currently in the Sanctum Anatomica

Duviri is just in the Void

Lua entering and exiting the Void does not seem to have affected Duviri

[proper barn]

@hollow siren @digital lark duviri exists in the Void

[hollow siren]

yes, why ping me for that tho

[proper barn]

Not a universe. The Void is all times and possibilities at once.

[digital lark]

Oh whattttt, I thought that duviri was like a different universe

[proper barn]

They literally say the Void

Don't they?

[digital lark]

I don’t remember im smart but slow at the same time and I don’t mean it as a joke

[proper barn]

Also if the Drifter is the one that never gets out of the Zariman that would mean they where stuck in the Void.

Cuz the zariman isn't stuck in another universe.

[hollow siren]

"Tales of Duviri" is a storybook written by Eularia Entrati (aka. Mother Entrati), and its messages are meant to teach children to control their emotions, which was done to prepare them for Void travel. The Duviri we see in-game was formed from the Drifter's memories of the book via Conceptual Embodiment

[proper barn]

In the Void

But yes.

[hollow siren]

yes, Conceptual Embodiment only happens via the Void

[digital lark]

As in grandmother?

[proper barn]

Grandma isn't mother entrati

[hollow siren]

no, Mother. She is the daughter of Albrecht Entrati

[proper barn]

She's father's mom.

[hollow siren]

Grandmother is just the mom of Father Entrati

not biologically related to Albrecht or Eularia

[graceful swan]

There's only been one case of CE that wasn't done in the Void

[proper barn]

@digital lark

[digital lark]

Oh ok Ty for this and for a more in depth explanation of duviri and the void @proper barn @hollow siren

[proper barn]

Also the lotus hand in duviri is what we regrow lotus from.

[digital lark]

WAIT WHAT

[hollow siren]

yeah, Drifter brings it with them back to Reality

[digital lark]

D:

My mind has been shattered

[proper barn]

Yeah. You can see it's just a hand in the new war quest.

Like when she's just the flower it's only her hand that is real there the rest is just a ghost.

[hollow siren]

The rest of her body is just gone, since Void is extremely harmful to Sentients

[digital lark]

How come?

[proper barn]

The Void part?

Its the flaw the Orokin gave to the sentients.

[graceful swan]

Built in

[hollow siren]

That's the weakness the Orokin gave them to hinder any potential resistance

[proper barn]

Well they did it cus they wanted them to die building the solar rails.

[hollow siren]

yeah true

finish preparing Tau then kill themselves

the exact reason for why Void specifically is so extremely harmful to them isn't fully clear, but it could be that their Adaptive bodies sorta short-circuit trying to adapt to something as incomprehensible as the Void

which speaks volumes, considering Sentients can somewhat adapt to even death itself

[quartz bison]

can someoone explain in detail the references and the info in tthe teaser we got on wf's yt channel?

[hollow siren]

Mag Prime's codex entry describes a trip to Tau during the Old War by human soldiers and a Warframe (that being a Mag Prime). They were intercepted right as they arrived in Tau, but Mag Prime rallied the survivors with her. The codex entry ends there.

The entry describes Tau's sun as having a blue light, which we see in the teaser

The Parallax Landing Craft's skins also describe various landscapes in Tau, with one being craggy cliffscapes

This dead Mag Prime in the teaser is likely the one from the codex entry, and possibly also the one used to turn Nira into an Archon

[quartz bison]

interesting i didnt know about the parallax skins giving those info

[hollow siren]

There's like 4 or 5 of them

[quartz bison]

also there seems to be another figure behind mag

looks like ember prime

[lean garden]

?

a screenshot would help us see what you see

[quartz bison]

idk if i'm trippin' or not but it looks like another frame

[hollow siren]

yeah there is something behind her

[graceful swan]

Looks more like a terrain thing to me similar to Deimos

[quartz bison]

there is a little light shining right there just as the one at the start of the video

[proper barn]

Looks like a plant.

[unique talon]

I can't see, mag's boobas are big

[quartz bison]

[copper drum]

WIP of my praying mantis bugframe. Ik this is technically fan art but I’m kinda sharing my process of making her here

[worldly nimbus]

So, dumb question about Void nonsense where multiple things happen simultaneously until they are witnessed:

If the Zariman is both in a state of being stuck in the Void (Drifter) and in the state of being rescued by the Orokin (Operator), does that mean there’s a state where the void jump went correctly and the Zariman arrived in the Tau system?

Or, not ‘correctly’ per say, because the engine was breaking down in the origin system, but it at least turned out correct?

[tall echo]

The one timeline split we know of happens after the jump fails

[graceful swan]

If there is we can't just access that timeline

[tall echo]

Also that

[worldly nimbus]

Fair. The recent tennocon teaser had me thinking, is all. I guess we’ll just have to wait and see

[sly pagoda]

According to Eternalism yes there is a thread of time out there where colonization of Tau was successful. Perhaps even a galaxy spanning Orokin empire.

Where solar rails link everything like void powered mass relays.

[tall echo]

Depends, eternalism does not necessarily mean every option exists

[tall echo]

You mean the mag prime one?

[worldly nimbus]

Yes. Particularly the Zariman quote at the end. I think it’s more of a figurative thing, that the Sentients and the Zariman were fulfilling a similar purpose to the Orokin, but the fact it was included in a teaser like that really makes me want to think there’s more to it.

[restive river]

Depends on what caused the incident
If it was Wally then I’m not so sure about that

[tall echo]

Warframes didn't exist at the time of the jump so

[restive river]

The quote is likely to tease Tau further tbh

[tall echo]

Yh

[restive river]

Heck, maybe even this sentients had the same pledge

Since they had the same goal Initially

[worldly nimbus]

Yeah, it was mainly one of those baseless thoughts that at least some part of the Zariman and its crew made it. But it is more likely that it’s either an actual sentient pledge/protocol or to highlight the similarities between the Zariman and the Sentient.

If I’m right, someone owes me a kompressa prime BP

[restive river]

It was the pledge of the Zariman first

Also I doubt any version of the ship made it
Especially if Wally was behind the incident

Which it definitely seems he is

He’s also the only entity that can access eternalism

Even if some version made it, it’s not like we could access that anyway

[worldly nimbus]

Zariman came first? I thought that the Sentients were first to go terraform Tau and that the Zariman were going to be setting up the initial settlement.

[restive river]

Zariman always went first
It’s due to the fact that it went missing that the Orokin turn to creating the sentients and then sent them the long way

More specifically Ballas approved the project

[modern steppe]

more so he was initially against it but had to approve it regardless iirc the events correctly

[worldly nimbus]

Man, I’m rusty on the lore. Thank you for the correction.

[modern steppe]

but yea he approved it

[tall echo]

He pretended to be against it

[modern steppe]

possible yes

[tall echo]

Outright stated

[modern steppe]

well makes sense then

[sly pagoda]

yeah part of why it was so big is that it was not just going to carry a lot of people but it was going to be home while they built the rail and started the terraforming.

I would assume also be a space station once the first planet was brought to viable

[barren jasper]

as transforming into a frame she bit an orokins head off or something

[peak ether]

Can someone give me a TLDR on the isleweaver lore, haven’t played much wf in the last few months

[sage moat]

as plain as possible without speculation:
Rusalka had techrot in her lungs (hence the effervon cigarettes)
rusalka made a deal with wally, that's how he got into 1999
Rusalka got hollowed out by wally and is basically just a puppet for him now*
*but she MIGHT still remain as herself, in some way
Wally is attempting to change duviri into his
We stop him

[cinder garnet]

Also Wally is using the Murmur and somehow Oraxia (the new warframe farmed in Duviri, said to be designed by Albrecht) to fight us in Duviri

Question (I don't think we know but I'm also known to be blind): do we know if the Oraxia that we fight on Scholar's Landing is a warframe controlled by a dreaming operator, an og transformed warframe, or what?

[tall echo]

We do not

[copper drum]

TS isn’t for the weak

[green horizon]

I've got a request that's a bit hard to fulfill

I've got a breadth of questions over the whole story of warframe to this point

If anyone wants to donate a few hours of time to me I'd love to pick their brain

[tall echo]

hours?

[green horizon]

Lot of questions 🤔

It's a decade of lore\

[strange plinth]

surely they won't take hours though,,

[green horizon]

Wanna bet?

I've got a lot of niche questions about stuff that most people aren't willing to explain

[tall echo]

Start asking

[green horizon]

Nope I'm not typing it out VC only

[tall echo]

L

[green horizon]

W

Imagine someone being so interested in the story they want to talk about it

and Imagine saying thats an L

[tall echo]

I psychically can not do VC

[green horizon]

I'll pick your brain in not this chat to not spam it

[tall echo]

This is the one place where it wouldn't be clutter

[green horizon]

I don't feel that way but if I get 3 people that say they don't care if I spam this chat with story inquiries i'll continue specifically in this chat

[tall echo]

[green horizon]

Cause when I get into it

It's gonna get real

[tall echo]

It's not spam it's just on-topic discussion

[strange plinth]

i mean. scrap's right, here's the best place for it

[tall echo]

There's a reason why I only exist here

-# and in spoiler chat

[green horizon]

OK

My biggest problem with having this here

[strange plinth]

-# here and spoiler chat are basically the same channel tbf

[green horizon]

is slow mode

[tall echo]

It's 5 seconds

[green horizon]

I type fast

[tall echo]

I don't, it'll balance out

[green horizon]

Fair okay. Second solid question

Spoiler free here or should i go to the other channel

[tall echo]

Spoiler chat is pretty much only there for unreleased stuff

[green horizon]

So all lore is fair game??

[strange plinth]

yup

[tall echo]

Yeh

[green horizon]

Alright

At what point do you think the murmur totally interferes with all of the story lines

which quest to give waypoints

[tall echo]

WitW

[green horizon]

Hmmm

cannonically?

[tall echo]

Murmur only start appearing there, but wally has been doing stuff since long before the old war

[green horizon]

cause witw felt like murmur flexing a bit to me

instead of being a first instance

[strange plinth]

i think its implied that the murmur have been attacking albrecht's labs for a while. probably before he left to 1999? they just got stronger and bolder after the man in the wall 'escaped' at the end of the new war

[tall echo]

The murmur are only the enemies

[green horizon]

Not really though

[tall echo]

Yes really

[green horizon]

You're dealing with 37 other enemies at the same time in general

Murmur is just the overarching one

and I feel like there's a lot of things that make it seem like he's there like greyscale said

there way before

[tall echo]

I think you're talking about wally

The murmur are the rock enemies in the sanctum tileset

[green horizon]

I've heard of the same entity mentioned in about a half dozen different names

[tall echo]

The earliest vaguely implied appearance of the murmur is during continuity rituals on lua

[green horizon]

just talking to people. I'm not expert I'm just wanting to learn

[tall echo]

Man in the wall, indifference, most recently rusalka. That's wally

[proper barn]

Idk if we can say all void monsters are murmur.

Also the murmur is just pieces of Wally.

[green horizon]

Thank you vinny

that's what was explained to me

[tall echo]

Grotesque misconstructions of human anatomy sounds like murmur to me

[green horizon]

well why wouldn't wally be creating monstrosities based off mising digits

[proper barn]

Idk. I like the idea of void enemies that are just fears you think of.

[tall echo]

He is

[green horizon]

which is where my idea of the murmur came from

[tall echo]

Arms, legs, mouths

[green horizon]

Where are my fingerbones kiddo

That explains most of the murmur mobs

[tall echo]

The murmur are creations of wally and pieces of him

But wally is not the murmur

[green horizon]

Hmm

[tall echo]

Gotta make a distinction

[green horizon]

okay I'm here for it and happy to hear about it

[tall echo]

I forgot what the initial question was

[green horizon]

cause the strand is set in time until it retrieves the missing digit

No initial question

Just talk about the story

what is it Kara or khra or something like that

[tall echo]

Wally can only move along the strands of khra as long as the fingies are gone

[green horizon]

Well the finger is in the railjack

[tall echo]

And needs said strands to be tethered down

[green horizon]

unless there's more fingers I don't know about

[tall echo]

That's a copy, not an original

[green horizon]

wait no way

[tall echo]

There's multiple originals and an unknown amount of copies

[green horizon]

OH

THE OG IS IN THE ZARIMAN?

[strange plinth]

also a copy

[tall echo]

Nope

The originals are hidden away

[green horizon]

so which finger is in the railjack then

just a copy that seems boring

[tall echo]

A copy

[strange plinth]

presumably, we haven't seen any originals, as wally would already have the means to get to them

[green horizon]

It did say

[tall echo]

The secret of the location of the originals is supposedly hidden in duviri according to wally

[green horizon]

what was it pale reaching digits

not digit

albrecht is kind of annoying for the lore

[strange plinth]

one was cut from the hand, but several fell to the floor iirc

[green horizon]

yeah idc

that's part of why i'm asking

not idc idk*

[tall echo]

There's at least two missing on the big wall form I think

[green horizon]

well realistically

it can only be 4 right?

[tall echo]

Either two are missing or the thumbs are held weird

[proper barn]

Was not currently.

[tall echo]

He's lookin kinda dumb with his finger and his thumb... not on his forehead cuz they're missing

[green horizon]

And also

[tall echo]

Eh

[green horizon]

how much can we trust wally with him being that chatoic

chaotic*

[strange plinth]

thumbs are held weird, its just the index on the upper-left hand missing

[tall echo]

Yes

[green horizon]

I'll have to check the next time wally shows up in my orbiter

but I've never noticed more than 2 fingers missing

[tall echo]

That one just 1 to 1 copies your operator

Minus the eyes

[green horizon]

Really??

the one around the corner I could have sworn he was missing a finger

could be wrong

[peak ether]

Ty for the concise explanation

[green horizon]

hi ❤️

Does wally's finger get quantum

or am i just looking into it too hard

[tall echo]

Waht

[green horizon]

superposition

mutliple copies of the same finger at many quantum places

it tracks with Eternalism

[tall echo]

Nothing clearly stated

[proper barn]

I was thinking it's more like the ring that makes more rings.

[green horizon]

Sever one and the posibilites go everywhere

[proper barn]

Like from God of war

[green horizon]

Like a cursed version of LOTR

or god of war that's good too

[tall echo]

Not exactly

[green horizon]

The eternalism rhetoric from the zeriman tracks with that though

It's a literal quantum theory

[tall echo]

Nah just saying the lotr rings didn't multiply

[green horizon]

Oh not yet

wait for the update

😉

[tall echo]

Anything beyond the books is just fanfic imo

[green horizon]

OH sure

lotr is not the point here was just a random point

I think unless we get wally's actual finger back at some point

we let him take over reality

[tall echo]

There's nothing stated on how the fingerbones are copied

But there does seem to be a distinct difference between copy and og

[green horizon]

cause we as tenno made a deal at some point

regardless of what the deal was

[tall echo]

We offered him our "light"

[strange plinth]

"I can save them, all of them" for "our light"
whatever that means..

[green horizon]

Yeah

Alright So I'm just as clueless as everyone else

That's good for me to know

[tall echo]

Soul(cliché), innocence(unlikely), who knows

[green horizon]

and also amazing for the story

There aren't any solid answers

And it fits

[tall echo]

The only thing I we know for real is that we do still owe him

[green horizon]

Wally is saving up the favor

and he's going to use it in the story

past that we don't know anything

[tall echo]

I think we did go against the deal at some point recently

[green horizon]

Ish

[strange plinth]

he tried to add to the deal in whispers
grimoire's last page or something?

[green horizon]

was it the 1999 quest

or a different one I can't remember

[tall echo]

Yeah this

Something in witw

[green horizon]

I don't remember witw enough

to remember what we paid for the grimoire

[tall echo]

Same tbh

[strange plinth]

we didn't give it to him, and that's the first time he's actually been aggressive towards us i believe

[green horizon]

and to keep the grimoire from wally

[tall echo]

I gotta replay it a few more times

[green horizon]

he got real mad in that quest

is all i remember

I keep trying to find people to let me replay the quests with em

but that's hard to find

[tall echo]

I just hope my builds can actually do more than just tickle the boss at the end

[tall echo]

Most quests after tsd are solo only

[green horizon]

oh i know but they can stream it in discord or w/e

[tall echo]

You can replay quests by selecting the option in their codex page

[green horizon]

i spend most of my time helping new players get stronger and I know I can do it on my own

but it's so different when you don't have the combat power to just dog walk the quests

When i played through the same quests I had people joining/watching me that were trying to reexperience the story

I've seen so much stuff farming duviri since

esp the shadow of wally on a table

among other things that it just gets weird

@tall echoI appreciate the converstaion and fellowship ❤️

[tall echo]

[silk sage]

@tall echo yoo is that a asgore profile pic

[tall echo]

The king's chariot can not be stopped

[proper barn]

We know what the deal was.

We just don't know the specifics of what it means.

We also @green horizon know that we are a deal breaker.

[green horizon]

yeah

[tall echo]

You are late

[green horizon]

true

[proper barn]

No I'm on time.

Just seeing if yall got anything wrong.

[tall echo]

[proper barn]

The Zariman also has a finger.

[green horizon]

really where??

[proper barn]

You defend it

[tall echo]

Void armageddon

[proper barn]

In the quest.

Also yeah it's in void Armageddon.

[green horizon]

Oh that's crazy

[tall echo]

The second worst zariman node

[strange plinth]

second?

[green horizon]

Sorry I'm helping/watching someone play through the story rn

can't be super active

[tall echo]

I have beef with specific mobile defense bounties

[proper barn]

@green horizon okay so any ship that does A void jump needs EITHER To use a solar rail which is just from 1 side of a solar rail to another OR has to has their own finger drive.

Oh @green horizon also turn on all conversations in Kim. You'll get more lore.

[strange plinth]

oh mobile defense
yeah zariman mobile defense is pretty meh
i'd put armageddon just below it though

[proper barn]

Like if you wanted to jump anywhere and not use what is basically a highway you need a finger drive. Its why the RJ is so strong and feared cuz its the only active ship that has a finger drive in it.

So it can just freely warp where ever whenever.

[tall echo]

Have you ever tried a tier 5 mobile defense bounty where having it run out of shields is an instant loss?

[silk sage]

@tall echo yoo asgore is me

[strange plinth]

yes, and i haven't touched it since then
i also do not touch armageddon
which.. will not be great for whatever the rare thing is that drops there

[proper barn]

Why would you do that? The best bounties are exterm/kill the angle bounties run that kill the angel get the bonus Bounty onions jobs a gooden.

[tall echo]

I don't know

[proper barn]

They literally made it to where you always get onions

Bases on your Bounty tier.

[tall echo]

Ik

[proper barn]

So at worst 1 onion 1 angel tear and fast mission.

[strange plinth]

sorry, onions?

[proper barn]

Pinion

[tall echo]

I don't remember why I did that bounty it was shortly after aotz release

[proper barn]

But it looks like ONION

[strange plinth]

ah

[proper barn]

Oh then they didn't have the Bounty level quills

[tall echo]

Always did

[proper barn]

It was added in echoes

[proper barn]

No it didn't.

[tall echo]

My memory is useless

[proper barn]

Might not have been echoes.

It was not on release though.

[tall echo]

I think I was just trying to speedrun holdfasts standing

[proper barn]

Ah

Zariman was my favorite update so

I didn't speed run it.

[tall echo]

I wanted the key

And praedos

[green horizon]

Is there any way to play quests with someone that haven't done them yet

outside of the few in between quests

is that even available on 1999

[proper barn]

No?

Also turn on all conversations in the Kim PC. @green horizon

[green horizon]

sure later

[dire mountain]

I thought we did

Considering wally had to disguise as albrecht to convince her

[strange plinth]

if its one of the couple that you can do with multiple people, they just have to have the quest active and start whatever mission (rising tide, for example, can be done with others who have already done it)
most lore-important quests are solo-only though, as was stated earlier

[dire mountain]

Seems she is autonomous

[green horizon]

I only ask cause I've had multiple people ask me to play quest content with them. not for the carry but for the story reason

but they all get t a new war

or whatever else

and have to play alone

[tall echo]

Implied but not confirmed

[tall echo]

Almost all quests released after tsd are solo only

[green horizon]

yeah I know

just wondering about other options

[tall echo]

Some have multiplayer possible in early stages

Solaris united quest is weird

[strange plinth]

tsd is multiplayer until the final mission

[green horizon]

you can do 1-2 stages early on

and you just have to watch the other person so anw or whatever else

that said I just watched someone else do anw and it was so awesome

makes you wish there was a proper story reset

like ff14

[barren jasper]

what's a story reset

[dark tulip]

In ffxiv they nuked the entire original game even in lore. Killed a lore character to do it and reset everything. Called the base game "a realm reborn"

That will not happen with warframe because the game isn't garbage that needs to be remade.

I have massive respect for square for doing that with ffxiv though. The game was so terrible at launch they remade the whole thing.

They weaved it into the entire narrative and called it a calamity iirc. It came full circle with the final expansion story arch. It's one of the best game stories I've ever played, and it started janky and unplayable lol.

[chrome rivet]

Need to confirm something

Warframes need the Deimos Heart to fully operate right?

And yet, we casually can use them in Duviri and Hollvania which is located probably centuries in the past?

[rich stump]

Well the reason warframes need the heart of Deimos is because it provides void energy, which isn’t a problem in Duviri since iirc it’s located in the Void. We currently don’t know what’s powering them in 1999 tho

[graceful swan]

Duviri is in the Void meaning Void connection

1999 still seems to have some level of Void connection too

[lean garden]

the hollvania issue has been raised by characters in the game, of which its clear that its a mystery that DE wants to create. We might get an answer in the future. As for duviri, well, as already pointed out, theres void energy galore there

[oblique valve]

Why don’t the sentients just blow up the sun

[humble sierra]

Probably because they have empathy for animal life

[graceful swan]

Because, that would kill them too

[humble sierra]

If not the Orokin/remaining humans

[graceful swan]

Blowing up the Sun could very easily kill the Sentients too

[dense herald]

are all warframes equal in strength?

and how strong is a warframe? can you use a comic or movie character to match them too so I have a better idea how strong they are?

[lean garden]

equal in physical strength? probably not

[violet storm]

Take Atlas for an example, who blew apart an asteroid with his fists.

[lean garden]

after having structurally weakened it at strategic points of course

[dense herald]

not physical strength alone, overall strength

to kill, destroy etc

[lean garden]

eh, so so, different warframes have different purposes and speciality

[violet storm]

And having petrified the Reshantur cultists

[dense herald]

ok so what is the relative strength of a warframe? are they city level in danger?

or are they weaker or stronger?

[lean garden]

lets put behind us any power-scaling nonsense

[stray herald]

Can drifter stop the loop?

[dense herald]

not powerscaling for powerscaling sake want to know how the threat they face compare to things I have more knowledge on so I can know when something is actually dangerous

[humble sierra]

Yareli is able to create water tornadoes that swallow pieces of an Eldritch god

She also lost to a fat guy out of exhaustion

[dense herald]

consistency is lacking here too huh

[violet storm]

Nova can prime molecules, causing them to detonate, and during the Masker’s Theodolite, charged a rail pirate so he could power an antimatter drive

[lean garden]

but what are you trying to compare to

[stray herald]

She*

[dense herald]

tbh just want to know how strong the universe of warframe is, the strength of the enemies in lore

I'm simple, I love op fights

[lean garden]

compared to what

[dense herald]

DC, space marine, god of war

those universes

[lean garden]

geh

standard powerscaling comparisons

warframes are souped up superhumans

you may think of them as closer to Space Marines, except they have more diverse powers between each warframe type than marines do between chapters

[dense herald]

cool, another question does the game explain what warframes are? because from what I remember warframes where humans once no? are they dead? machines now?

are we just piloting a body suit or is it a symboisis type thing where we just give power to the suit and it does it's thing?

@lean garden

[lean garden]

Well, given your earlier concerns about the early game

you have to play the Sacrifice to find out

[graceful swan]

https://youtu.be/0_Cve-4YsHA?si=2wK8GyL1vSNx5T7b

[lean garden]

oh! something new!

[graceful swan]

Yeah

[royal patio]

is that volt at the end?

[lean garden]

correct!

but i dont recognise the body before volts

[dense herald]

oh so they do explain ok

[royal patio]

so i understood mag prime’s presence in the prev bc her codex entry talks about her being on tau but why volt?

[graceful swan]

I think that's the crew she was with not another Warframe

[eager dragon]

Do you think they'll release another one where they pan to excalibur prime?

The final part to this song

[lean garden]

I suppose so

[glacial bough]

No, there's def a volt or Frost at the end

I think the body before is either a Grineer or a Rhino

[crimson bobcat]

[lean garden]

the last body is a volt

[drifting narwhal]

Tau gonna bring some fun stuff into the game😍

[outer elm]

i still dunno where's last phrase from in video

i know desc is from stalker and hunhow chat

but this "holy treaty"?

[obtuse vine]

a second video has hit the unum tower

[lean garden]

sounds like the one thing the sentients did that the Zariman couldnt

[proven ridge]

it's almost ceremonial to drop flowers at each dead body

[obtuse vine]

it might be one of those proto grineers

[rare talon]

so is this confirming tau?

[lean garden]

yeap look at that mask

[glacial bough]

Tau is certainly in the future

[obtuse vine]

what else could it be

though the medieval hymns is certainly an interesting unexpected twist

[glacial bough]

The teasers are fully pointing to Tau

[proven ridge]

in sight, literally

[glacial bough]

The question is if those bodies are on Tau

[rare talon]

in cyte

[rare talon]

were warframes ever on tau?

[glacial bough]

Yes

[rare talon]

i dont think so right?

[lean garden]

a singular mag prime was confirmed to make it to tau

[silk atlas]

DE's always been screwing with genres like this, see Fortuna

[sly pagoda]

I am trying to figure out if that ending quote is from anything

[humble sierra]

Some sort of pledge

[lean garden]

its looking like something people who actually made it to tau would say

[sly pagoda]

True, it could be something completely new.

[eager dragon]

Honestly it's probably that guy form Mag Prime's codex entry.

[hearty cipher]

I keep seeing people say that the "Our history is smoke" video said "Tau is in sight" somewhere but I've watched it multiple times and never saw it or heard it anywhere

[graceful swan]

Tau is in sight was said by Albrecht in Hex quest

[lean garden]

theyre only saying "tau is in sight" in response to the video, theyre not saying that theyre hearing it

[abstract ridge]

that’s probably the person talking in mag codex

[hearty cipher]

I know, plus it was in the Tennocon relay video.

[lean garden]

that zero tech soldier likely wasnt a grineer tho, too smart

[sly pagoda]

https://x.com/PlayWarframe/status/1944774052486303947 thats the tweet for this.

[abstract ridge]

the 19th numebr of greek alphabet is tau and tennocon is on the 19th so TECHNICALLY tau is in the video

[sly pagoda]

Your masters sent steel and flesh to cross the gap: clay they wished to rule and sculpt into a new and toxic paradise.

[hearty cipher]

I swear though, I've heard multiple like MHblacky and Tactical Potato say that it said it in the video somewhere. It's had me confused for days

[sly pagoda]

Entrati says that right before Drifter resets at the reactor.

Albrecht Entrati: "Murmur expelled. Tau is in sight. They've given their lives for this. Make it count.

[placid cypress]

could be wolf/wolf related

[lean garden]

?

[placid cypress]

now volt presumably too

[lean garden]

and ember, and rhino and loki and nyx

[obtuse vine]

tbf the grineer are dumb because of the cloning decay, im assuming before they got cloned too much they were probably of average intelligence

[lilac aspen]

It do be sounding medieval
Inb4 we hear sentients talking in “Yee Olden era” language

[obtuse vine]

like saturn six wolf?

[sly pagoda]

its a sailing hymn which makes sense given how often scifi compares space to the age of sail

[placid cypress]

wait hold on... i wonder if we will discover a new class of warframes (that may only be used in tau). hear me out, since the primes are literally seen dead and decimated, what if a new kind of warframe has to be developed to combat the Tau enemies as well as everything else in the system, maybe we will get more umbra frames (im hoping) or a totally new type of frame for example, Excalibur Gamma or something liike that

[lilac aspen]

Sentient defeating Tenno in an arm wrestle: “Doth thou even hoist, Tenno?”

[sly pagoda]

The other warframes could be explained by the fact the Mag codex mentioned queuing up for the solar rail, Possibly every drop ship had a squad of zero techs and one Tenno.

[obtuse vine]

also mag's entry did say they were part of a fleet so im its not unreasonable to assume the orokin gave every ship a warframe bodyguard

[placid cypress]

yeah

[obtuse vine]

I dont think the wolf is involved at all

[lilac aspen]

Please no collecting all the primes was already a task for me

[placid cypress]

lmao, but just imagine how cool they would be

[obtuse vine]

plot twist, the sentients are the ode from soulframe