lore-discussion

[stiff fable]

Especially since the password was established in 1995 or something

[woven coyote]

More likely based on the sol and lua religion of that time

[sly pagoda]

True but just so happens that a penumbral lunar eclipse would put Earth on the empty crossroads when Sol and Lua align.

[analog tinsel]

haen't played the game in a while (since 1999), but I'm so excited we're going to Tau

[dawn shoal]

I'm pretty sure the Mag Prime codex and, because of the song, that Call of the Tempestarii is connected to this somehow. The Mag Prime codex entry describes an alien blue star, which sounds to me a lot like that point of light in the Cold Below captura scene, which incidentally also looks lilke it's within a ray of energy that resembles what we saw when reactivating each of the planetary solar rails while exploring and clearing the star chart originally. And if you think about it, it's very possible that the Corpus who were at Lucretia Station before it was destroyed by the Tempestarii were researching the old extrasolar rail as well, though we don't have any confirmation of that as far as I know. My theory now is that the Void storms and fissures we see are an effect of whatever Hunhow did to sever the extrasolar rail/connection to Tau that the Sentients had, and that the metaphorical language of both Sleeping in the Cold Below and the new song underneath the Tennocon teaser clip are referencing an area of the Void that the solar and extrasolar rails pass through.

Unrelatedly to any of this, but the "worm ships" with "rings" around them in that codex entry also remind me of Orowyrms from Duviri more than any kind of Sentient ship that the Mag and other soldiers would be fighting in that case, since my first expectation would be they are traveling through the solar rail to fight Sentients, either wherever they were staging from in the Origin System or maybe even the Orokin would have tried to use that extrasolar rail to send people to do damage on the Tau side, idk

[restive barn]

Cast and cry probably mean something about a dungeons& dragons when you cast the dice and it rolls in the low number you're sad
Sad = cry
That's my theory anyways for that saying
My other theory is to tame the sky is to tame the void which we could not do. That's my theory anyways

[analog tinsel]

tbh when I finished 1999, I felt like, 1999 was (broadly) analogous to The Sacrifice from the previous arc, just because while the setting is awesome, it felt like more background story/setup then explicitly moving the story forward. I always found the conversation between driftor and Murmer in the "bad" ending to be the setup for Wally and how they feel. The post credit scene for 1999 felt like a "war is coming" moment which.......given that the arc is called the void war it's only reasonable to expect it to end with well.......the void war.

Ever since Albrecht said "Tau is in sight" I've been speculating that whatever the void war entails, it'll probably be waged from Tau, so while I don't think we get the void war this year (or next year), I think we need to be in Tau before it begins.

[restive barn]

Hope we see teshin though

[analog tinsel]

I just hope Tau isn't just a content island, because I feel like that would just end up with a lot of lost potential. I know it's overly ambitious, but it would be nice if Tau is just a new star system, and part of future updates will be adding to it.

[restive barn]

For far as I know Tau is the afterlife in Warframe someone correct me if I'm wrong

[fresh imp]

I know it has to do with Sentients (I just joined chat randomly, mb)

[woven coyote]

Pretty sure that moment was meant to represent the explosion that sent parvos into the void, in the same way we sent the first sister

[woven coyote]

Very wrong

Its just another star system they tried to colonize and failed

[woven coyote]

Also teshin isnt dead so he wouldnt be in the afterlife

[dawn shoal]

Tau Ceti's a star system in the real world, Tau represents it in Warframe and the lore around it mostly centers around either the Orokin wanting to colonize it or the Sentients making it their own home instead

[fresh imp]

Didn't he get his neck snapped in Kid's time?

[humble sierra]

It sounds more like ship-term. Casting out a rope and crying out for attention.

[woven coyote]

Nope

[woven coyote]

Also there isnt really kids time or drifters time in that sense

[humble sierra]

Head crushed, which is a move that has a 0% fatality rate when performed by Erra, then he fell through a portal into Duviri, where he got healed by Mathila

[fresh imp]

That first part is true (just look at Varzia-)
I didn't know about the Mathila healing thing

[dawn shoal]

well that does make sense, though it was his Void drive going wrong that sent him there, and void drives/reliquary drives do fulfill the same purpose and maybe function similarly to solar rails, since both are Void powered ways of entering the Void and traveling between points in space, so maybe there's a smaller connection there that can be confirmed/denied as we get more lore XD

[woven coyote]

If anything drifter was sent out of time(being in the void and all that)
So we still have only one timeline

[fresh imp]

Drifter is a paradox for a reason, yeah

... ping a mod?

[humble sierra]

Scholar's Landing

In all the ages of Thrax's reign, only two strangers have ever known to come to Duviri. One was the monk, Teshin, who fell from the sky into the lake on the island we now call Hermit's Landing. Seemingly lifeless, he was dragged ashore by Mathila who nursed his return to health. I have never known a constitution to match his; yet unlike us, he has... deteriorated... with the passing of time.

[woven coyote]

Between a sabotaged void drive blowing up and a void bomb by the tempestarii, not to mention both parvos and the sister going to the same place, i'd say it probably has very similar effects

[woven coyote]

Drifters paradox is about drifter and operator helping eachother escape from their respective "prisons"

But for one to help the other they must escape first

[fresh imp]

That explains why I don't know it, I don't have the full lore on duviri

[dawn shoal]

looking at the Void as we see it when we travel in the Railjack though, and how the Granum Void appears, it looks like the explosions definitely don't send you to the same intended place, which makes sense lol.

[humble sierra]

There seems to be a bit more to it than that with some of the lines in Isleweaver, but it sounds more like a sci-fi "This is a paradox anomaly nexus point!!?11!!1" than an actual logical paradox now

[woven coyote]

Wonder just how much of the paradox is part of wally's plan
Considering the whole trying to physically retcon drifter with isleweaver(at least thats what i got from it)

[humble sierra]

You guys think we'll get more teasers every single day? 👀

[woven coyote]

Maybe not everyday but i could see one or two more teasers

[humble sierra]

Obviously not trailer/cinematics but maybe just cryptic little lines?

I remember last year they had those leaked KIM chats from some civillians

[woven coyote]

Yeah

[north jolt]

Also operation Scarlet Spear and Orphix Venom, if you want to get technical

[sage moat]

and the jovian accord technically

[north jolt]

Also side note: Assuming the popular predictions are true, its nice to see DE actually bring back and integrate seemingly forgotten pieces of lore into the main narrative (talking about Mag Prime's codex and the new teaser thingy )

My almonds are activating again: So the stuff I was talking about earlier about how something bad might (probably) will happen to the Lotus in the near future. Assuming its death, straight up total death space mom gone forever, who then will lead the Drifter/Operator? what if, Albrecht comes back and becomes our new defacto guide?

[woven coyote]

Probably wont

As other pointed out there's plat and skins invested into it now

[north jolt]

Probably, but it is A idea

[woven coyote]

It would be a predictably foolish business decision

Bungie is a big enough warning of how players react to content removal

[north jolt]

I get what you're saying, but TBF this wouldn't be the first time the Lotus was "taken" from the game in some way. She probably won't be gone forever, whatever ends up happening but in any case I still believe something bad is going to happen to her

[stiff fable]

I don't think Lotus is going to be taken, but I think Narmer might target her

[north jolt]

Even if this particular idea does come to pass it would probably only be temporary like how Ordis was our "guide" for a while

[woven coyote]

I hope it doesnt
But on the idea that i just hope the princess peach arc is done for the lotus, time for her to be a badass imo

[north jolt]

Like I pointed out earlier, I think the game has been giving us a lot of not very subtle hints something is going to happen to her. Hopefully something that still allows her to at least put up a fight, but still

[stiff fable]

(She's been implying it's going to be her happening to others)

[native mantle]

I hope with tenocon that they give a teaser to a new story quest cause I want to know more about tau

[woven coyote]

they usually do lol

[native mantle]

Cause from entrati he says tau is apon us

[feral cape]

I forgot loid will execute me if I post a tt link

[little kestrel]

could also just post the youtube link unless that is banned to

[broken temple]

Omg she dead

[sly pagoda]

I dont know what a tt link is but youtube links work.

[humble sierra]

We got to play as Teshin for a bit during New War...

Imagine we get to play as Lotus in the Next Big Quest?

Her super overpowered Hand Laser was usable in Duviri for quite a while thanks to a bug

[normal mountain]

Played with that once
It was particularly silly with Ranger's Reload

[smoky solstice]

ok so I got no idea what the warframe thing is supposed to tease I'll be real

well I mean the content of the lyrics, it feels tau pilled

[smoky solstice]

I mean like, literally the thing they released 6 hours ago

"hear the story at twitch.tv/warframe on july 19" it's gonna be the next story quest and it's probably tau

[proper barn]

Have you read the mag prime codex?

[smoky solstice]

well I'm seeing references to it in the comments, guess that's why she's laying there

let me take a look

[restive river]

https://www.orokinarchives.com/mag-prime/

[smoky solstice]

yeah I just looked it up

ig soldiers were sent to tau, mag prime among them, the void jump ended up just destroying the ships and leaving the soldiers to die, mag prime grabbed one of them, took them somewhere, and based off the fact she's dead in the new trailer, ig they died there

but where? like mag prime took this soldier somewhere, "on the floor", some planet in tau ig?

[wispy meadow]

Hi to everyone, and yeah they seem to rush in a firepit and death awaits them at the end

[swift sentinel]

Planet or into a Murex or something similar

[hexed oxide]

is tau the same as the irl counterpart ? like, is it actually a whole solar system or just a single planet ?

[proper barn]

no didn't destory the Ships.

[turbid merlin]

well that isleweaver fragment poem is vague af. I assume it has something to do with the moods of Duviri's relation to Rusalka.

[proper barn]

just the senteints in tau where great at fighting. @smoky solstice

also the solar rail to tau was destoryed later

[modern steppe]

We don’t really know since we havent seen the actual location ingame yet

[proper barn]

We know it has a blue sun.

So WHO KNOWS

[turbid merlin]

I hope it's not too controversial to say I do not find the idea of holding myself to vows sworn to false gods of inhumane hubris compelling.

[swift sentinel]

The Orokin ship the narrator from the codex entry was in was pretty clearly destroyed.

[proper barn]

what was this one?

[proper barn]

but not by the jump.

[turbid merlin]

The text at the end of the most recent trailer is a reference ot the pledge of the Zariman crew, but that pledge is just propaganda for a dead evil empire, so it's not super compelling to me as a vow.

[proper barn]

is my point. they are just getting destoryed the sentients in Tau. REMINDER the sentients in tau are actually STRONGER. WE in the origin system have only fought Hunhow and his kids fragments@swift sentinel

WHO ARE ALL DAMAGED BY THE VOID.

and they still almost lost the war.

[modern steppe]

Dont forget, in TNW, it’s that while having both major factions working together against the Sentients

And they still lost

[proper barn]

Tau senteints

could also not look like hunhows at all

[turbid merlin]

My question is, why would we go to Tau to fight the Sentients?

[proper barn]

also we only have seen a single like "leader" senteint his dead wife and his kids.

[turbid merlin]

I mean, I know the joke answer is "loot" but what is the actual in universe answer?

[modern steppe]

We don’t have a reason in why we should

[proper barn]

cuz that's what they want evenfentually

also i assume they wanted to do some sort of counter attack.

[turbid merlin]

"They?"

[proper barn]

the orokin empire?

[turbid merlin]

Right, that thing we destroyed because we hated it.

[proper barn]

yeah?

[turbid merlin]

Why would we do what a dead empire we destroyed because we hated it wanted?

[proper barn]

I am tell you why they attacked tau in the mag prime codex.

I don't think we would actually fight the sentients in tau.

[turbid merlin]

Yeah, I just mean why would we go there now? Like, the trailer heavily implies that we do, but we have no reason to right now.

[proper barn]

also they are like more than 1000 years removed from the war. they have had seemingly a lot of peace since before the old war ended.

that might be where albretch is

and where we need to go to fight wally.

[turbid merlin]

Hm, fighting the Murmer allongside the Sentients would actually be kinda cool.

[proper barn]

also we could see cool battle fields of when the orokin first tried to invade or something.

[native mantle]

I thought we killed wally in 1999

[proper barn]

that could be cool.

[proper barn]

how? what would make you think that?

[turbid merlin]

Why?

[proper barn]

also we just got isleweaver where we fight wally in Rulskas body.

[native mantle]

I haven't done isleweaver

[turbid merlin]

Give Rusalka her body back Wally! I'm friends with her parents now, so this is personal.

[turbid merlin]

Did you see any information about it at all?

[native mantle]

No

[proper barn]

why would you think we would have killed wally though?

[turbid merlin]

Ok, well, um... again, why do you think we killed Wally?

[native mantle]

Entrati says wally is gone

[proper barn]

does he?

[placid cypress]

Specifically Mag Prime
Dead lotus (death of her sentient nature)
Blue light
Tau is in sight

[proper barn]

when? @native mantle

[proper barn]

I don't think that second thing is true. But the mag prime bit being the same as the codex for mag prime is primo.

[native mantle]

At the end of the 1999 just before he shoots you

[placid cypress]

Yeah if your a lore nomad like me most of taus stuff is revealed there

[swift sentinel]

He meant gone from 1999

[proper barn]

that's not the end of 1999.

[proven ridge]

I have a doubt on the new war quest. When the Tenno gets stabbed by Ballas and falls into the void portal thing, are we sent in an alternate universe in which the sentients took control over the origin system or has the alternate operator randomly spawned into the original warframe universe but way later after the Tenno got stabbed?

[proper barn]

you haven't done the finale and he means he isn't here anymore.

[proper barn]

Smile.

[tribal cape]

actually, Wally said "we end as we begun"… and Tenno begun with voyage to Tau

[proper barn]

play the quest more. @proven ridge

[placid cypress]

I wonder if sentients aren't actually AI type stuff but rather like a dreadnought from 40k, imagine they used human/orokin/grineer....... Minds and corrupted them

[proper barn]

that's not what that means.

[native mantle]

Oh ok thanks for clearing it up

[proper barn]

no they are true AI

[placid cypress]

Ah damn

[proper barn]

the cephalons are the second thing. @placid cypress

[proven ridge]

Can you give an explanation instead of sending me back to playing the quest?

[proper barn]

play the quest

It's litearlly explained there and is a story beat. @proven ridge

It would be spoiling it to tell you.

it's like stopping a movie to ask me to tell you the end.

[proven ridge]

You don't have to be rude, if you're able to explain it just do it

[proper barn]

watch the rest of the movie first. then we will talk about it.

[somber adder]

tau

[turbid merlin]

"He's ash in seconds. No need for misery. Come. Now." "Murmur expelled. Tau is in sight. They've given their lives for this. Make it count." "Not unless you know them." This is every line Entrati says before shooting you. He doesn't mention Wally at all. Only says you "expelled" its minions"

[silk atlas]

Nah everything but the Sentients that the Orokin made are that. They didn't like AI.

[placid cypress]

Caliban Meta coming up

[proper barn]

@placid cypress True AI where banned that's why the senteints are very odd as a thing in warframe cuz the Orokin went against their own rules to make a True AI and it backfired on them. like i said celphalons are not true AI they all used to be people.

[placid cypress]

Yh

I fluffed

They lined up Caliban prime so well with tau

[chrome frost]

Who out here claiming that Cephalons are ai?

[native mantle]

I thought when he said expelled it meant he was dead that is what my brain went to

[proper barn]

I am sorry. it is just explained in the quest later and is better for the game to tell you. It's like ruining the finale of a show when you the show puts a mystery infront of you i think the answer will be more sasitifying if you just play through the quest for the answer. i don't mean to be rude.

[turbid merlin]

Lol Oh yeah, that's not what what "expelled" means. XD

[proven ridge]

Alright

[proper barn]

the mystery behind Orids you reveal is he used to be a guy it was litearlly a mystery.

[turbid merlin]

UNless you expel someone out of an airlock or something, but I don' tthink that'd kill Wally.

[chrome frost]

....I knew that I was asking about who was the guy asking about wether or not Cephalons are ai.

[proper barn]

that is a geniue question to new player.

why are you mean to people when they have questions?

it's a geniue mystery to new players.

they just think he's a funny ship ROBOT.

[chrome frost]

I didn't know it was rude to wonder who was asking about that, it is 3 am and I'm on a mental level of a baked potato rn my apologies

[proper barn]

oh sure.

[proven ridge]

Is everyone being rude here? XD

[turbid merlin]

If anyone says I'm being rude I'll fight them! (this is a joke)

[proper barn]

lul

[sly pagoda]

I will say this about Cephalons. Once you learn how the glass sausage is made.

You will have another bullet point for “why you need to hate the Orokin”

[chrome frost]

I do however wonder if the unum is just:

• an Ostron who merged with the tower (as in physically molded into its flesh and connected to it)
• an orokin who transferenced into the tower
• a Cephalon who was injected into the tower
• or some 3rd unknown party

[proven ridge]

The ostron assumption would be the unknown party you're talking about

[chrome frost]

Not really because in that case we don't know if it's even human that is molded into it

[proven ridge]

Well considering that the unum seems to be a giant flesh container why not

But the concept of merging with something has never been introduced in warframe's universe as far as I know

[chrome frost]

It might be some sort of unknown mutation of the infestation which was achieved by introduction of kuva into the mix making it differently self aware and not visible to the eye basically somehow stable unlike the rest of the infested but that's highly unlikely

[chrome frost]

Uhhh aren't you forgetting about the infestation?

[proven ridge]

Ye the helminth strain thing turning people into warframes

[sly pagoda]

Transferrence is a non zero likelihood too. We know an archmedian did that with a forest from the Titania lore.

So a meat tower is not out of the question

[chrome frost]

Yeah that's why I put it into the second place

[proven ridge]

Ye I don't think infestations and kuva interact very well

[turbid merlin]

It wouldn't explain all the timey wimey stuff the Unum can do though.

[chrome frost]

Oh well that's just kuva

[proven ridge]

The unum is a jojo reference

[chrome frost]

If I remember correctly kuva is related to the void, and can do A LOT of things from moving minds between bodies to the other stuff

What it does is not too dissimar to what Limbo does on a universal level if we are to consider the rift as a different universe

[turbid merlin]

Sure there are other explanations. Just a human transfering into a meat tower wouldn't explain it alone, but the Unum being some "other" thing would sorta explain it alone.

[chrome frost]

Keep in mind we also don't know for how long it was there

[turbid merlin]

Yeah

[chrome frost]

Give a human mind enough time and a different body and they might just end up learning to fly

[turbid merlin]

All we know is it was there during The Old War

[chrome frost]

So in short centuries if not millenia

[sly pagoda]

Another thought is the tower was not always sapient. Possible that Orokin towers had a limited intelligence system, think like VIs in Mass Effect. Except at some point during the past it became self aware.

[chrome frost]

Millenia is thousands right?

[proven ridge]

Maybe the unum must be alive to keep producing meat, that might explain why we constantly need to "transfer " into it

[chrome frost]

Elaborate

[smoky solstice]

then why were they forced out into space

[proven ridge]

To make any organism stay alive you need to put some consciousness into it right?

[chrome frost]

... it depends really

[smoky solstice]

"when we could see again, our ship was somewhere else, shattered and dead in an instant. My lungs were flattened, eyes full of death" the void jump destroyed the ships and flung the soldiers out into space clearly @proper barn

[proven ridge]

As long as it stays alive, the body still regenerates

So the unum might be like a body that needs consciousness to stay alive and produce its own matter

[chrome frost]

Hmm

[dawn shoal]

considering the way the Unum allows the Quills to see the different possibilities of the future in such an Eternalism coded way, I would not be surprised if it were some combination of transference and the 3rd thing, with some aspect of the 3rd thing ending up being that she has the original Wally fingers and has had them the whole time.

but there are a lot of places those fingers could be (literally anywhere Wally can't reach yet)

[turbid merlin]

Life does not require consciousness.

[proven ridge]

But matter isn't made out of nothing so my theory only works if the unum feeds on something else, void magic idk

[proper barn]

I am saying the rail didn't destroy the ships the sentients when the tenno and company got there did.

[proven ridge]

Depends

[turbid merlin]

On what? Your definition of life?

[proven ridge]

And consciousness is hard to define actually we might have our own definition for it

[sly pagoda]

The Unum goes down almost as far as up.

[turbid merlin]

If we take the widely accepted and relatively scientific definitions of life and consciousness, then life does not require consiousness because plants are alive but not conscious.

[proven ridge]

So maybe the unum behaves like a plant??

[turbid merlin]

I mean... we know it's conscious, so that's the exact opposite of the conclusion I would draw based on what I said.

And the only point I was making by saying that life doesn't require consciousness is that the idea that it does is incorrect.

[proven ridge]

Yes

[dawn shoal]

My theory about the Void is that it's some kind of loosely inspired variant of Chaos from Greek and a few other ancient mythologies, like what lots of things in Warframe end up only drawing inspiration from their names from. Chaos is where the world starts, and considering Wally and the implications behind the ingame flavor text of Temporal Dust from the Isleweaver spiral it's also where the energy and matter of a universe ends up when it decays. The voice in the Arcane Machine in The New Strange quotes something about "hushed and empty is the womb of the sky" with a voice that sounds to me a fair bit like Pazuul or Erra, and if the Void is where the energy/matter of the universe came from, then an empty womb of the sky sure would fit the Void's description in a couple ways. "We end as we began" coded stuff.

[woven coyote]

The arcame machine voice was hunhow btw

The quest order has been a bit displaced by now but back in the day the maroo quest led into the new strange which led into natah

[dawn shoal]

I mean, until they confirm it I am kind of unsure if he's the only option, it doesn't sound exactly like him to me, but I will admit it absolutely still could be him

[proven ridge]

The new strange quest is something I didn't thought was worth remembering of

[dawn shoal]

that's how i first played them actually, yeah

though it's been a hot minute

[woven coyote]

It was the original order so yeah its the only option

[dawn shoal]

yeah it doesn't seem like it cause it's got absolutely no context until way later.

theoretically though pazuul/the archons and erra were still around somewhere on the fringes of the Veil Proxima at that point waiting for their next moves, and the quote itself does feel like something less of a line that Hunhow would deliver and more something Pazuul would say, and the voice from the machine is nowhere near as deep as Hunhow, but it's more of my own headcanon right now than anything else.

[woven coyote]

Quest was from when lotus and hunhow were the only known sentients

And it certainly wasnt the lotus speaking

[chrome frost]

I still stand by my theory of void basically being a space of thousands upon thousands specter particles which are in an unstable phase where they latch onto any idea, object or thought that any creature entering the void possesses and basically embody it (that also includes it eating up the regular atoms of the creature and replacing it with itself)

[proven ridge]

I think it's pretty similar to what temporal dust is supposed to be. Some kind of sand from which matter as we know it is built. Like a child building a castle with sand and water

[dawn shoal]

i mean, that we know, sure. and while the writers wouldn't have written so far ahead that they would have known the exact story of the new war at that time, i'm convinced they had a lot of the side characters and setting written by that point. i refuse to believe that nidus phryke, released in 2016, isn't based off of some kind of murmur/entrati labs concept art lol. he even has the entrati obol style design before Deimos was released. but again, because we only knew about natah and hunhow, it very well still could have been Hunhow and I might be wrong.

[chrome frost]

Uhh I think temporal dust is more of a remnant of wally's supper

[proven ridge]

Oh

[chrome frost]

Basically a universe that died by indifference entering it and wally nomming it into nothing

[proven ridge]

Ye

That's something wally sure does a lot

[dawn shoal]

imagine losing a finger and suddenly you can't consume universes like you used to

[chrome frost]

That's also the reason I don't think giving him the finger back is a good thing to do. Like yall are just being too kind to a generous to a universe level threat, the moment you give it back is the moment that THING gets to turn origin system into its dinner

[proven ridge]

And turning every universes into what we see in murmur landscape

[chrome frost]

He already turned a bit of origin system into that sand by the way. Go to sanctum anatomica and see for yerself

[proven ridge]

I'm pretty sure the wally arc will end with a "bro was just lonely af" as the only reason why wally did what it did

[dawn shoal]

sands of time and possibility, but the possibility is that it is possible you get turned into sand

[chrome frost]

I mean look at corrupted vor. He's HARDENING, from what we know he's either getting turned into some sort of void angel...or is about to turn to temporal dust

[proven ridge]

Scary

[woven coyote]

@dawn shoal found a quote that to me confirms hunhow

it is interesting tho for hunhow to quote lettie's religion

[proven ridge]

The Janus key prevents him from definitely dying, but how much time until it just stops working lol

[chrome frost]

Exactly, that's the only thing preventing him from becoming murmur at this point... (as well as the fact that he's nowhere near wally)

[stiff fable]

He might be turning into part of the Wall of Lohk though

[dawn shoal]

see, on one hand, i'm sure that could be the case, but on the other, i think it's a bit more complex than that
wally's theming doesn't seem to fit the Void's exact theming, and he and anything else either related to the void or to him doesn't seem to act like he's just a product of albrecht entering the void and letting something imprint on him or whatever. The Tenno have a "light" according to the Holdfasts/Quinn that doesn't necessarily seem to be something uniquely from Wally. I think the Void is either just the place Wally was trapped in at some point in the past, or Wally himself is only fully in control of what parts of it he can touch, particularly the Great Indifference.
basically i think, partly because of the way some stuff in Warframe is named after ancient mythology, and partly because Lettie and Eleanor have both made obvservations in KIM chats about sentients speaking of ancient mythology and Wally potentially being on of the gods from it, that there's more than one big supernatural being out there and they don't all have motivations like Wally if they were part of the reason Wally was there in the Void for Albrecht to find in the first place so given enough time I feel like things are going to get even wilder than we're expecting them to now.

[chrome frost]

Also also we know that wally already ate up some universes due to what rusalka says in duviri "do you like how my (forgot the name) looks? He used to look like you" or something among those lines when we fight the 60 eyes thing

[stiff fable]

I'm fairly certain that this arc ends with his main personality getting wiped away

[proven ridge]

Idk, murmur enemies are probably made out of void sand that wally uses to build its personal army

[dawn shoal]

oh, his heralds?

[chrome frost]

YEAH THAT!

[chrome frost]

he also said that he is going to reassemble you "how am I going to reassemble your parts?" "I have used for dealbreakers" the murmur used to be people I believe

[chrome frost]

I don't remember wall of lohk being a thing but I'll look into it

[stiff fable]

It's brought up a few times

It's believed to be the "wall" that Wally's inside

And may also be another name for the Albrecht Membrane

[chrome frost]

Membrane?

[dawn shoal]

I think it's the name for the Void door that Albrecht first went through and that the Heart of Deimos draws from

[chrome frost]

Oh

[dawn shoal]

though as far as the term Albrecht Membrane comes from the Holdfasts have also referenced it, so maybe the Albrecht Membrane is just what the Wall of Lohk door beneath Deimos and any other opening to the Void that Albrechtmade pass through

[proven ridge]

I think wally is both trapped and in control of everything at the same time. A bit like a true god that originated all of creation and that had to create everything out of nothing but abstract concepts that came to its mind

What I struggle to understand is why does some parts of the murmur landscape almost look like abandoned cities

[stray hazel]

Inb4 wally is Hayden Tenno

[proven ridge]

Like is wally trying to mimic human civilization?

Or was that something that existed in times no one has ever heard of?

And only wally knows what it is

[proven ridge]

Wow

Problem solved

[stray hazel]

I was semi-joking

There's some merit to it though. The infestation hive mind communicates through the void, and he would've been the first self aware being to access that.

There isn't a chance in hell that it's actually him, but it's fun to speculate about.

[proven ridge]

Btw if you turn the murmur landscape upside down it almost looks like an open world

[proven ridge]

Not sure about the infestation using void, but the Hayden Tenno theory is funny

[chrome frost]

Probably just albrecht's labs covered by indifference rock and sand

[tall echo]

The infestation hivemind definitely does not communicate through the void as it is utterly terrified of it

[chrome frost]

They don't make sense, never needed to, they're basically a portal leading to a portal leading to a room leading to a portal

[tall echo]

That's the wall of lohk, the albrecht membrane is the general barrier between realspace and void

[dawn shoal]

yeah that's what i meant i just typed too slowly and forgot to quote lol

[humble sierra]

"We end as we began"

Imagine

That's why the Infestation is so scared of the Void, the 'leader' is an infestation completely outside the hivemind

[peak gust]

Question: tldr, why is the man in the wall in albretchs lab/ his lab in the void

So I’ve seen the man in the wall under and in the underside of the lab, and in the isleweaver update, we can see the lab and duviri/ the void mix. So, the lab is definitely built in the void. And we know albretch stole the voids finger. So. How did he originally make his lab? Did he steal away a literal section of the void and build a lab in it? Wally face is all over the map, and his body is below the map. So, what and how??

[tall echo]

Wally's void is taking over the lab, it wasn't like that initially

[woven coyote]

As for the one in duviri, well he built a lab there he properly went to visit and all

Thrax mentions sometimes about the scholar's advice and all

That would be albrecht

[tawdry yoke]

So lemme ask

Could the Mag Prime from the new trailer be the same Mag Prime from the Old War?

[tall echo]

Possible

[modern steppe]

likely but there's not a lot in the teaser to suggest otherwise

[outer elm]

was rusalka sayin stuff about matila's children before? or its just that random

[humble sierra]

Idk about her saying things about her children (as in, idk the line) but Mathila has kids

[outer elm]

she was like "u forgotten about ur kids as well?"

[humble sierra]

Barris(?) who you help herd Tamms for, and Koral, who you help save animals with when they're "veiled"

[outer elm]

and "ask matila where her kids are"

[tall echo]

I don't remember hearing anything like that

[outer elm]

i just got it after all that farming

[restive river]

(Guide your reflection into the light) Neci Rusalka: "Ask Mathila where her children went."

[outer elm]

ye i think that was the stage

[tall echo]

Huh. Curious

The kids are missing in isleweaver, but so is every other character

[outer elm]

maybe cause its "fake" duviri

i remember some rusalka line like she used matila's mind to enter?

[restive river]

Thrax moved the castle town island away to save the rest iirc

[restive river]

Yes that is how Wally entered

Hence why it’s the joy spiral

[proper barn]

I mean a lot of them are "dead"

[tall echo]

I haven't seen any named dead duvirians

[sage moat]

theres a line that's really funny that's like "There used to be people here. She unmade them"

cause mathila says it in such a happy tone of voice. like if DT said that you'd imagine it'd have a twinge of anger or fear but with mathila its in the same way you'd tell your friend your dog pooped on the floor

so my theory is that albrecht ran to tau. i dont like this. but i think its what's going to happen.

if you'll notice, albrecht is a genius with science and absolutely has 0 idea how to fix the problems he causes. no, albrecht, shooting the 50th animal in won't make the cosmic void god dumb. no, albrecht, making a Bigger Warframe will not make the cosmic void god scared. no, albrecht, nuking it will not kill the cosmic void god.

so i think his idea now is "what if i just high-tail it to tau?" i think that's in character

[tall echo]

The reactor wasn't an attempt to kill wally, and he is fully aware that its weakness is love

[sage moat]

i thought love was the backup plan and the reactor was the primary plan

what was the reactor even for then? just a trick to make us care about the hex?

[lean garden]

based on the interrogation, hes thinking of love

[sage moat]

thats true i just recently rewatched that cutscene, he's pretty acutely aware that love is the key

so why detonate a reactor???

[glacial bough]

The reactor was to trigger the initial loop

[tall echo]

That and to power something, probably the og loop source

[sage moat]

that tracks ok

i still maintain that before he figured out love his ideas were like comically stupid

only an orokin (derogatory) would think "Bigger Warframe" could kill wally

[tall echo]

Desperation and paranoia make brilliant minds irrational

[sage moat]

...yknow what yeah

[lean garden]

ironically it did work

just not in a kaiju battle way

[sage moat]

with the biggest asterisk humanly possible, sure

[lean garden]

humanly also ironically being the key thing

[glacial bough]

Albrecht never expected the Vessels to kill him either

They were just another line of defense

[tall echo]

If you accidentally got the attention of some cthulhu you'd also try everything to repel it

I'm guessing

[sly pagoda]

I mean i want to drive a vessel at some point. Voidciffic Rim.

[sage moat]

we are 100% going to do that yeah

[tall echo]

You already did in witw

[sage moat]

i wouldn't even be surprised if they introduce a new mission type with some big boss fight for it. but that's probably coming in the Big Boy Update

i have this very specific image in my head of a vessel doing a slow bullet jump, still soaring a great difference but twisting more slowly as dust falls off of it

[night shard]

Is there like a VaatiVidya for Warframe?

[sage moat]

no just about every warframe loretuber sucks

there's one good one, Socratetris, but he goes more into thematics instead of theorizing

socratetris is my goat btw

[tall echo]

-# that statement extends to every other game

[sage moat]

fromsoft loretubers are pretty good they just quickly devolve into fanfic

[tall echo]

-# loretubers bad

[tall echo]

That. Is not good.

[sage moat]

its not good for the sake of summarizing but it is good for the sake of theorizing

[tall echo]

Fromsoft is one of the worst areas for loretubers because most of the lore is intentionally made for players to come up with their own explanations and stuff

[modern steppe]

https://youtu.be/5ekJpbdRz4Y

it won't go over every single detail but best you got

[night shard]

Nice, thank you

[sage moat]

yep actually!

miyazaki said before he wanted to emulate the feeling of reading a book you don't entirely understand and having to fill in the gaps yourself. its a very cool approach to story telling

[hybrid silo]

Did phrolova betrayed or help cristoforo by giving the scripe to rover?

[tall echo]

42

[hybrid silo]

Wait wrong server

Im so sorry

[tall echo]

[modern steppe]

Wuwa jumpscare

[hybrid silo]

I put warframe server and wuwa server next to each other

[tall echo]

Double checking where the message would be going is too much effort for the average human

I am below average, which is why I do double check

[normal mountain]

<@&778745217037238293> found another

[proven ridge]

maybe DE just hates mag prime for some reason

[tawdry yoke]

lmao

[proper barn]

@tawdry yoke have you read the mag prime codex?

[tawdry yoke]

Oh

ohhhhh

hmm, now I wonder if the codex mag Prime is the same Mag Prime from the Old War, who COULD also be the one shown in the trailer

[graceful swan]

Could be

During the codex the ultimate fate was left ambiguous

Just gotta wait till Tennocon

Or just more hints leading towards it

[woven trench]

Aight chat
Top 5 mos powerful warframes in lore
Yalls ranking?

[dire mountain]

Here we go again

[strange plinth]

chroma (confirmed by lotus) /s
there's not really a good way to powerscale them

[woven trench]

The irony that chroma is "one of the most powerful warframe" while being one of the worst in game

[woven trench]

We really could by seeing feats from lore and what not

I think putting Jade in top 5 is reasonable

[dire mountain]

Garuda's lore: ||the game||

[woven trench]

Since the power of the Jadelight is viewed to be almost unstoppable

[strange plinth]

of everything to be under that spoiler, i did not expect that one

[dire mountain]

[woven trench]

Oraxia I think also have an argument to be one of the msot powerful

Considering she is Albericht's personal guardian warframe

[dire mountain]

Doesn't necessarily make her powerful

[valid bear]

What do u guys wish came with the tau update if it came

[strange plinth]

purely for tau-related stuff, not a hub area with missions branched off of it
i want a proper planet w/ nodes again

[valid bear]

I dont get it tau is a system why does some people say it is a planet

[strange plinth]

tau has been referred to as both a planet and a system
mostly through kim dialogue

[modern steppe]

Drifter has a conversation with one of the Hex where he describes Tau as a planet

[valid bear]

So it is not a system

But I'm so confused now

[dire mountain]

It is though

[valid bear]

It says tau system

[dire mountain]

Yes

[swift sentinel]

It could be both, is the fun thing. Tau planet in the Tau system

[valid bear]

But u how is it a planet

[modern steppe]

Yeah that’s the thing because it’s being described as either or

[humble sierra]

They name one of the planets after the Star

[modern steppe]

It could just be Tau (the System) and Tau (the Planet)

[valid bear]

Oh ok

[humble sierra]

Pretty sure even IRL we do that, but it's definitely a thing in Star Wars lol

[valid bear]

Yh thst is true

[stark arrow]

By your logic, i can say Hildryn

[polar hemlock]

Is that an iron flower next to the mag in the new teaser trailer?

[analog glade]

tbf it looks to be the same flower as the one from the intro ostron quest

[polar hemlock]

That one is a bit more weird looking, but even so
What could the proposal behind it be?

[proven ridge]

if DE is looking for scientific accuracy, then Tau system refers to the star and the planets that turn around it

[woven trench]

I'm not familiar with Hildryn's lore
Explain

[raw stone]

You know... no one brings up how Wally is Omni-present.

:v I mean. Outside of whatever void rips Albrecht and We committed which would give creedence to Wally being there in 1999. But like. He contacts Neci as a child you know, in the fragments.

[thick cedar]

Could that be the Mag Prime who was used to make Archon Nira in the trailer?

[graceful swan]

Maybe

[unique talon]

About the lore though

What are the murmur?

[graceful swan]

Wally cutting himself

[unique talon]

Elaborate

Why do they have those deformed forms

With multiple hands..

[graceful swan]

“Brutally cut from the Indifference in order to protect the greater whole, its three hands bestow the Void’s twisted blessing upon its allies, so long as they remain attached.”

[unique talon]

Their design is so cool by the way

But according to the lore logic

A Warframe full based on the murmur

Would make any sense?

Like Caliban and the sentients

[graceful swan]

Wally can’t create Warframes

[glacial bough]

Not really. There's an order of difference between the Sentients and the Murmur

[unique talon]

But he can corrupt them like oraxia

Maybe he can turn a warframe into a full specter of the void, a murmur frame

[hushed bison]

Guys did the sentients lose their ability to breed when they went to tau or did they lose it when some of them traveled back to earth? If its the former then if we (and it seems somewhat likely) go to tau, we could meet a whole civilization of sentients that remained in tau and in turn could still breed.

[valid bear]

I just replayed the war withing, i forgot how peak it was

[analog glade]

iirc They built a rail system to tau, then void jumped back and lost the ability to breed.

so tau sentients could breed still.

[graceful swan]

Void made them infertile which they used on the way back they took the long way there short way back

[lean garden]

omni-present? well not really. he gets around but hes not everywhere

[raw stone]

Yeah but once Albtrcht really woke up the void... due to the inherent properties of such, they can be... anywhere at any time.

Maybe Neci Rusalka is the only other person we've seen that Wally has contacted so far. At least prior to 1999

[normal mountain]

Anywhere, yes
Everywhere at once, no
The latter is what omnipresent means

[raw stone]

:v then what's the actual word

[lean garden]

space magic uber

[raw stone]

what

[lean garden]

void ride hailing services

[raw stone]

I'm not calling it that. Wally is an antagonistic force that can move across time and space. I am genuinely enthralled by the fact that we have another person, outside of just the Tenno, especially pre-Orokin Millenium, that has come into likely direct contact.

I really just skimmed the fragments but idk if it mentions her deal.

I'm also a little bit obsessed over it. It's been running through my head during work lately.

[lean garden]

she was gunna die, she got nothing to live for, it offered her life, she took it

[lean garden]

I take it you werent here when Crossplay came online?

[raw stone]

No I was. I'm talking about Neci and only Neci.

[normal mountain]

Oh yeah, lol
I keep forgetting that's the lore reason for crossplay

[glass olive]

omg i forgot about this

[graceful swan]

Baro made a deal with Wally

[lean garden]

what you forget the part where Baro had direct contact with wally too?

[raw stone]

That had a reason beyond just gameplay? Crazy.

[graceful swan]

Yes

[lean garden]

yea baro did a lil funky deal with wally

[raw stone]

I forgot about him.

The showpony. Anyway. I guess we got two.

Neci was more interesting to me tho.

[graceful swan]

One System For All
Tenno!

You will hardly believe the scope of my achievements. Even I am a little giddy, I confess.

As a result of my little arrangement, the realms are not merely aligned. They have connected. And the walls between them have come tumbling down.

You may now, if you choose, socialize, sojourn and sally forth with Tenno from other dimensions of existence!

Cross freely. Come together as never before.

What a magnificent bargain I, Baro Ki'Teer, have struck. I do hope that charming stranger passes my way again.

I fancy I can hear opportunity rap-tap-tapping at my door, even now!

Baro Ki'Teer

[normal mountain]

That last line...
Man, if Baro had even heard Rell do that, he'd never have used that particular choice of words

[valid bear]

guys what about the twiter post with all the questions

of our past

what if the next big quest if we go to tau, what if it is the end of warframe...

like i get that feel when i see all those questions on twiter u know like "Do you remember this update, Tenno?"

[lean garden]

aint got twitter what qns

[valid bear]

for example these

[scenic depot]

I don't think it's the end

Narmer is still a threat
Wally is still a threat (and probably always will be)
Granum is definitely up to something

[silk atlas]

DE's always been like "remember all the cool stuff we did before?" during Tennocon leadups

They aren't ending this game soon, man

[valid bear]

good, i love this game

[sage moat]

not to mention that warframe is probably still a massive money maker

https://tenor.com/view/بحبالفلوس-gif-25731629

[unique talon]

Definitely

For lore

What would sound more interesting: a murmur based frame or a transformer

[novel escarp]

So how much do we know about Orokin gold? Is it actually gold or some other gold colored alloy? Is all their things solid or just plated? XD I'm here inquiring about it all.

[unique talon]

Since they used steel for the frames

They were known to use gold as a symbol of luxury

[lean garden]

er

[unique talon]

No wonder they built various types of technology to extract more resources in the solar system

[sage moat]

transformer. im faction-brained and i still think a murmur-themed frame probably doesn't have much room for differentiation given qorvex and xaku both exist

[unique talon]

Including gold of course

[lean garden]

"flesh blossomed into sword steel" doesnt mean that they actually were steel steel

[unique talon]

But a very resilient metal, and made of the best materials possible

[lean garden]

✨ Meat ✨

[woven coyote]

A biometal probably
Probably also seeded with whatever we use in a blueprint

[novel escarp]

I know they had self repairing buildings PLUS they also banned Alchemy so they could of easily created some sort of stronger alloy that was gold colored. They also drained the system of its resources which is why they were looking at Tau for more of it (that failed obviously lol)

[unique talon]

Would sound so cool a tank with an awesome mechanic, the other Tenno could use the Warframe tank turret

Above him

[lean garden]

literally exalted necramech PLEASE DE

[unique talon]

We begged DE for the spider frame

And after a long time they give it to us

So I ask you all my friends: why not a transformer based one?

[shut lantern]

Why not both? The murmur can be assembled into different shapes after all…
It’s not so farfetched to think you could have an exalted murmur themed necramech, or other transformative abilities that replace the warframe’s body parts with murmur parts.

[thick cedar]

It could be possible that the initial request was planted by DE themselves
And then everyone went along with it

[unique talon]

Can't we do the reverse?

Like the community itself asking for a new Warframe type ?

[shut lantern]

I don’t really see what they had to gain from making us wait so long for the spider frame if that were the case tbh

[tall echo]

He only manipulated oraxia by imitating albrecht, who was her master

[unique talon]

By the way is there any reason why dominos thrax refers to entrati as "scholar"?

[covert swallow]

I'm curious about that as well

[glacial bough]

Because that's how he introduced himself

[covert swallow]

Ahh

[tall echo]

Because he's a scholar

[covert swallow]

Wait.... That means, Mathila says the scholar came to duviri first.... How is that possible?

[tall echo]

Same reason why teshin is only called the hermit by other characters

[glacial bough]

Because Time isn't a constant in the Void

[covert swallow]

Yes. But duviri exists because of the drifter. They thought up duviri. So how could he do to someone that isn't thought up yet? X.x brain hurts!!! 🤕

[tall echo]

Drifter didn't come to duviri

[covert swallow]

He literally tells Eleanor that he thought of duviri from a story book though.

I'm my instance at least

[silk atlas]

Yeah, he's not an outsider in this case. Thrax and others mention Duviri as Drifter's home, even.

[glacial bough]

Again, Time isn't a constant

[covert swallow]

Aaaahhhh

I get it now

[glacial bough]

Duviri is inherently a paradox

[covert swallow]

Hence it's name

[silk atlas]

It's not even that.

No one in Duviri treats Drifter as an outsider, simply.

[graceful swan]

Just an Outlaw

[tall echo]

Not really

[tall echo]

Only the quest is called duviri paradox

[tall echo]

Drifter didn't come to duviri. They made it.

[sly pagoda]

oh absolutely, Especially with the decline of Bungie and Destiny 2. TFD is all cake and no bakery(they got the booties but no gameplay). Seems like its a good time for DE.

[covert swallow]

That's what I meant

[graceful swan]

The book was called Tales of Duviri not Duviri Paradox Drifter and Operator existing is the Paradox

[covert swallow]

How could enteati gone there if the shifter didn't make it. But time not being constant. Scholar could have been there for years in what happens for the drifter in a second

[tall echo]

The paradox is operator helping drifter as thanks for something they didn't do yet

[sly pagoda]

My understanding is that before COVID. Duviri was supposed to come before TNW.

[covert swallow]

Ooohhh. Interestedly nuanced

[glacial bough]

No, it was always after

Deimos is what was supposed to be after New War

[graceful swan]

New War was announced 2018 Duviri 2019 don’t think they stated a release order between the 2

[tall echo]

You're missing the point. Drifter. Made. Duviri. And they were there when it was made. You can't come to a place where you already are.

[covert swallow]

I'm not missing anything

I'm misunderstanding

[tall echo]

Albrecht was the first outsider to come to duviri, drifter is essentially a native

[covert swallow]

Ahhhh. K that makes sense actually

[graceful swan]

Both Albrecht and Teshin are outsiders

[analog glade]

there is also the theory that the duviri lighthouse keeper might have been rell.

[tall echo]

Sometimes I forget that it's best to just spell things out in this place

[graceful swan]

That theory is stupid

[sly pagoda]

and the rain of chains or whatever it was is when the operator freed Rell.

[covert swallow]

Yeah I'm dumb so that helps lol

[tall echo]

Eh, you're not the first one. Probably not the last either

[sly pagoda]

but yeah the paradox is the Drifter should not exist. When you handshake Wally all your timelines are folded into one.

[tall echo]

I just like being slightly vague with explanations sometimes

[analog glade]

folded into two really. to be saved, and not saved

[covert swallow]

Yeah.

[graceful swan]

Garmi is a book character made real by the Void

Rell is a person sent to the Void on a ship and was saved from the Zariman never going to Duviri Drifters Rell died with Drifters timeline

[silk atlas]

Nah, Eternalism means he definitely should exist and finally is the time it matters. The name is just a reference to The Twin Paradox.

[covert swallow]

@.@ this game is confusion. I love it.

[sly pagoda]

There is a lot of stuff that in some ways is easier to wrap your mind around if you watched stuff like Star Trek, Sliders and Doctor Who.

[analog glade]

or fringe

[covert swallow]

I have lol

I was joking about being dumb. I've just a migraine actually lol. Hard to think.

I loved fringe... Until the end

[sly pagoda]

wibbly wobbly timey wimey can also cause headaches

[graceful swan]

Eternalism is simple if you listen to what Mother says

[covert swallow]

Yep?

[graceful swan]

Eternalism is theoretically accessible

Not always accessible

[covert swallow]

Yeah. It exists asa possibility but also not?

[graceful swan]

Many players present it as always accessible

[covert swallow]

I just like concrete answers. It's why I really really really dislike hand wavey stuff. Like "it's cause the voooid, and we don't understand it. Oooooo so mysterious"

[tall echo]

I too like concrete

[covert swallow]

So you like qorvex too? 😛

[unique talon]

https://tenor.com/view/reaction-my-eyes-cant-unsee-burn-gif-7225082

[sly pagoda]

I think a good way to view eternalism in a way is that in it both regular 1985 and 1985 where biff has the sports almanac can exist simultaneously. To use back to the future as a timeline example.

[covert swallow]

I'm always prepared

[analog glade]

I don't fully agree with the Garmi is Rell theory myself. but I do have to admit that there is some similarities in them.

[glacial bough]

Barely

[covert swallow]

Yeah makes sense a bit

[tall echo]

But one can't access the other, which many people tend to miss

[glacial bough]

Dedication to a job is not a unique trait like that

[covert swallow]

???

[glacial bough]

The only thing connecting Garmi to Rell

[covert swallow]

Ahhhh ok

[analog glade]

some of the lines about keeping away something as well

[tall echo]

Garmi was keeping wally away from duviri

[graceful swan]

No, Garmi was killed by Wally for trying to keep him away

[covert swallow]

I thought he was killed by a storm

[analog glade]

Killed by the rain of chains

[covert swallow]

A void storm

[covert swallow]

Oohhhhh.

See. This is why I'm more suited to making lore up for custom Warframes lol

[graceful swan]

That trivia doesn’t at all suggest Duviri existed before Drifter

Wiki are so trash at lore

[analog glade]

well it is the official wiki now.

[graceful swan]

Still run by players

DE just own it

[lean garden]

wait that trivia is a crazy leap of logic

[covert swallow]

Well the way I see it is if scholar came to duviri. He has to do it after drifter created it. But before the drifter was "there". So that could be the effect of time dilation? I man entrati did travel through time. <u<

[lean garden]

how would garmi "not caring for the drifter" mean that drifter came after the rain of chains??

[woven coyote]

Why does it have to be before drifter is there?

Also its a simultaneous event so

Duviri is pretty big, and used to be bigger before all the thrown away islands

[glacial bough]

Yeah, that's not how that would work

[lean garden]

yea no shot, when Im back at my pc Im going to go edit the wiki and challenge which ever clown who wrote it to actually make sense this time

[graceful swan]

It sounds like something Vi- would say

[covert swallow]

Hasn't considered simultaneous yet

[lean garden]

like Im astounded by whoever wrote it, because they have to utterly ignore the fact that it is repeated nigh ad nauseum that Drifter made duviri, creating and entering it to escape the horrors of the zariman

[covert swallow]

^^^

[graceful swan]

Bau I beg you to edit it and see how long the edit stays up

[covert swallow]

Ditto

[woven coyote]

Just so we are clear i meant simultaneous as in drifter creating and entering
Not albrechts visit lol

[covert swallow]

Yesh. I understood. I edit this message so I'm not sounding mean.

[woven coyote]

I got ya

Also if we wanna assume drifter didnt meet albrecht we can also assume one pretty in character thing, thrax being overprotective and preventing them from meeting

[covert swallow]

I'm going to laugh if Tau is just soul frames world <u<

[covert swallow]

Or. They meet and thrax reset it

[woven coyote]

That would limit them too much

[glacial bough]

Also explicitly not what's gonna happen

[lean garden]

man the sentients wouldnt stand for the caca the ode'n are doing

[glacial bough]

DE have been clear the two games are not connected

[covert swallow]

I just find the thought funny

But that makes me wonder

Of thrax could reset duviri... Why didn't he when Wally came to it? Am I missing lore? I haven't found the prices all of them yet

[stiff fable]

Unless the song works on them. No pact beasts lololol.

[glacial bough]

Because resetting doesn't fix everything

[lean garden]

can the song even work on synthetics?

[covert swallow]

Then why call it a reset? p.p

[graceful swan]

Because Wally kicked him off the Throne so he ran to the cave. the Throne has the power not the individual

[covert swallow]

Ahhh

I've had... Strokes since duviri first came out so I've forgotten so much p.p

It's let me relearn things like they were new. So I have that at least

Speaking of relearn. Since there are a lot of great minds here. (Excluding me xP) I have a theory/idea I wanna share

[graceful swan]

Share away

[covert swallow]

May I post an art piece for reference to what I'm talking about. Or does that have to be on a specific channel?

[stiff fable]

Seems to have worked on ghosts....

[covert swallow]

Ghosts are spooky

This is what I made for my lore stuff and things I'm doing. I'm curious what people here would think

[silk atlas]

...What am I looking at.

[covert swallow]

An alphabet that Warframes use to communicate

Specifically Banshee Warframes.

I've got one for every frame(save the most recent three)

[humble sierra]

I believe Albrecht met the Drifter, I think there's stuff in Isleweaver implied that they were quite chummy

[covert swallow]

Basically to sun up how I've thought it to work is the powers of each warframe have an energy signature. That they can use and fire in nano second to string together letters and then words. Non verbal communication like Wi-Fi communication between laptops

[covert swallow]

Interesting... Chummy.

[glacial bough]

That's certainly an impressive amount of work, but it's not entirely... practical? Congruent with how the world works? Something along those lines

In regards to a specific frame at least

[analog glade]

That would be assuming that the frames actually are limited to four abilities, but in lore they use powers a bit beyond what they are limited too game play wise.

[glacial bough]

There is also that, yes. Abilities are more loose in lore

[analog glade]

Also casting time and energy pool limits being a thing game play wise would make typing a message a chore

[covert swallow]

It's not typing a message it's like a spoken language. But to us and the Orokin, it's not a frequency or some they can hear. Don't get me wrong, of they detect it. Or find out about it. Lol. Bad times

[analog glade]

Sounds a bit convoluted to have a hidden language like that.

[covert swallow]

Wasn't made to be easy. It's made from necessity.

Think like... Gimme a second or a hundred

[analog glade]

Something like the wind talkers? but that worked more of being obvious but coded messages based on a secondary language.

[covert swallow]

I can't for the life of me find the episodes named In star Trek Voyager. Where there is a sub set of Borg that can meet and communicate in a way that's undetectable by the Borg queen and such. Eventually(spoilers) they are found out and attacked. But they separate into another place. O forget the EXACT details. But this is what inspired me. Secret communication amongst what are basically prisoners trapped in their own minds. Even though they may lack cognitive function, rather a meaningfully represented effort to want to do anything. I think their minds would have found a way to connect.

[analog glade]

still feels convoluted to me. Secure communication channels are already a thing in warframe.

[covert swallow]

It's supposed to be convoluted. By design to reach the purpose of silent communication amongst them. Like the person who was the person before the Warframe, is still in there fully. Just blocked by transference that keeps (most) of them docile.

Through the Tenno joining and quelling of the "madness" they in time developed a way to communicate.

Which I believe came out of either desperation, or even convenience. Same as them being able to move on their own, skills they wish. I just think that ultimately they lack the will initially, to "move".

[copper drum]

Hi chat… so I’m fully designing a praying mantis bugframe and I’m working on her lore. I was thinking maybe she was originally designed to hunt down orokin traitors?

[covert swallow]

Hmmmm. Femme fatale Mantis frame? I like it. She could be a spy/ espionage frame. Though that may have parallels to black widow from marvel

[copper drum]

Mhm. Spy/assassin. so far I have her abilities, passive, and possible augments down. Currently working on her actual design. What I have so far is in #fan-art

[covert swallow]

Ahhh I saw that. You know though, what I think of when I thought of female praying mantis... Right? xD lol

[copper drum]

What?

[covert swallow]

Headless Orokin xD

[copper drum]

Ohhh yeah lol. She’s designed for that

[covert swallow]

LMAO. The implications make me giggle

[copper drum]

“Forged in the silent jungles of a forgotten moon, Serraxis is a serene hunter- a master of patience and fatal precision. Once used to track Orokin traitors through dense alien foliage, she moves like a whisper, strikes like a blade, and disappears before the echo has the chance to fade. She is discipline given form; watchful, lethal, and sacred.” What I have atm

[covert swallow]

I'd myself, add like a bit of foliage to her frame, give her a hint at camouflage capabilities?

May I ask what her Powers are?

[copper drum]

Yeah they’re a wip

[covert swallow]

All things start out as that. 🙂

[copper drum]

PASSIVE: Predatory Instinct
When undetected, Serraxis gains +50% melee finisher damage and +15% movement speed.
Enemies killed by finishers restore 15 energy.

I’m not the best at kits— this is my first actual attempt

[covert swallow]

Gotta start somewhere! :D. May I take a crack at an ability or two? Just to suggest of course. Maybe inspire.

[copper drum]

yeah- let me share what her current abilities are

[covert swallow]

Also. Her passive, makes room for a good finisher. Just head be gone lol

[copper drum]

ABILITY 1: Rending Claws
Serraxis lashes out with bladed forelimbs in a forward cone, dealing heavy Slash damage and applying Bleed status. Enemies facing away take double damage and have a high chance of finisher vulnerability for 5 seconds.

•    Energy: 25
•    Range: 10 meters (cone)
•    Damage: 500 Slash (scales with melee mods)
•    Bleed Chance: 100%
•    Finisher Open Chance: 60% (100% if cloaked)

Exsanguinate (Rending Claws Augment)
• Enemies killed by Rending Claws have a high chance to explode in a 4m radius with a Slash AoE dealing 200 damage. Great for crowd control.

[covert swallow]

10/10 so far! 😃

I'm picturing her arms like the mantis blades from cyber punk

[copper drum]

ABILITY 2: Mimic Decoy
Serraxis sheds her chitin, leaving behind a molted husk that confuses enemies.

•    Enemies attack the decoy for up to 8 seconds.
•    Enemies that attack the decoy become vulnerable, taking +50% more damage from Rending Claws.
•    Can store up to 2 charges, gains overguard after shedding

[copper drum]

3: Prey Mark

Tag a target with pheromones. Nearby enemies are drawn to the marked target, and all damage dealt to it is amplified.

•    Range: 20 meters
•    Attraction Radius: 10m
•    Damage Amplification: +30 / 40 / 50 / 60%
•    Duration: 10 / 12 / 14 / 16 seconds
•    Energy Cost: 75
•    Synergy: Killing a marked target refreshes Cloak duration by 50%.

Predation Vector (Prey Mark - Augment)
• Enemies attracted to a marked target are slowed by 40% and take +15% extra Status Damage.

[covert swallow]

Dear DE:

[copper drum]

4. Predator’s Requiem

Serraxis marks enemies within range and begins a deadly dance, phasing from shadow to shadow to execute finishers with pinpoint precision. The player can tap to queue enemies or hold to instantly trigger the chain.

•    Cast (Tap): Mark up to 12 enemies in sight (line-of-sight only).
•    Hold Cast: Instantly dash to each marked target in succession, performing finishers.
•    If enemies are already vulnerable to finishers, she deals double damage and gains +10% melee speed for 10s per kill.
•    If cloaked, she executes simultaneously (enemies fall at once after a delay).

That’s it at the moment, currently working on the hardest part (her design)

[covert swallow]

Nicely designed. I consider myself an.... Adept warframe maker MAYBE a expert. Will never call myself a Master. This is top tier. Anyways I can help even if it's just to be a echo chamber for inspiration. Feel free to reach out 😄

[copper drum]

Glad you like it!! :)

[covert swallow]

I get to go home from work soon. So you have any art for her abilities? I'm tempted to sketch a few when I get home lol.

[placid cypress]

Guys, hear me out, what if we get an archon frame, similar to Nira and the others, given the tau/sentient theme it would be really cool to see a white archon shard themed frame crafted with the other archon shards as all other colors combine to make white.
This would fit amazingly as an angelic kinda theme for the new U warframe name that could be Uriel.
Maybe the lore behind it would be that when it gained total sentience as an archon after it was created it rebelled against the sentients/orokin and they locked it away on Tau hence the reason we have never seen it in the origin system. Over the years and years it has went mad or something similar to umbra happened and we need to fight it to either bring it to our side or take control to fight erra/other Archons

I just kinda spewed my thoughts out as I was writing this but yeah, thoughts?

[copper drum]

No art of her abilities yet, no

[eager dragon]

But Archons are already frames..? They are hybrid sentient and warframe technology.

Amir is Rhino, Boreal us Loki

And Nira is Mag

[placid cypress]

Yeah but like this one was a frame we never seen cus the sentients manufactured it them selves

Made on Tau

In*

[eager dragon]

Maybe. I feel like that would be too close to Caliban in theme, but a ultimate Archon shard would be pretty cool.

[placid cypress]

I'm absolutely horrible at art but I might try and design it

What would be a cool animal to associate it with?

A dragon!!!!!!

I can picture it lol but I cannot draw XD

[covert swallow]

Which one?

[placid cypress]

Which what

[covert swallow]

Which frame was created in Tau? Other than Caliban I assume

[placid cypress]

A new one that I was thinking that could be kinda similar to an apex archon

None that exist in origin as it would be made in tau

[covert swallow]

Ahhh.

[placid cypress]

Uriel

[eager dragon]

I feel like an Orowyrm would be cool. Chroma is the dragon frame

[covert swallow]

I thought Uriel was a frost

[placid cypress]

ooooh yeah, although orowyrms only exist in duviri

[covert swallow]

So far... V which scares me

[placid cypress]

True

Tbh with the void anything could happen

[eager dragon]

Yeah. Although the sentients have "worm-ships" we haven't seen yet

[placid cypress]

I can imagine the archon frame in my head but the lore would be rly hard to link

[placid cypress]

I made a theory about this ages ago too lol but I got shot down, I believe you may be right

[eager dragon]

Tau has been left alone for over a thousand years minimum, so really anything could have happened

[covert swallow]

And I hate. Ok not hate, but really really really don't like that lol. I'm not one for hand wavey explanations

[covert swallow]

Just takes a single spark. Don't give up, keep showing in the noggin taboggin.

[covert swallow]

Or noting.... Dun dun dun!!

[eager dragon]

I mean, I don't think Orowyrms are sentient or anything, I just think sentients could take inspiration from the Maws

[covert swallow]

My phone gets worse and worse every day at the mistakes

It's becoming a sentient!! Crushes it

[placid cypress]

I still hope that tau has a black hole as a sun WAIT HOLD ON, imagine if it is a black hole and its similar to interstellar and when we get there the sentients just arrived like a couple years ago?

[placid cypress]

This could be why ^^^

[eager dragon]

Their star is blue, it's canonical

[placid cypress]

Yeah but black holes can have a blue accretion disc at high pressures (I think?)

[covert swallow]

Time isnta linear construct I was reminded of this today

[eager dragon]

I don't think the Orokin would send several expeditions for terraforming in a system with a black hole, though

[placid cypress]

True, but this is the orokin were talking about, they'd do anything to preserve themselves and that is the epitome of preservation, while the rest of the universe ages, they "don't" (relative to everything else)

[eager dragon]

Can't happen, was long enough sentient gained... uh... sentience before the old war

[covert swallow]

What if we get to Tau and everything is made of cheese?! O3o

[placid cypress]

🧀

[eager dragon]

Perhaps it could have turned into a black hole in the time since the Old War, but I'm certain it wasn't before that

[placid cypress]

Ah right

I wonder if any of DE have ever seen theories/thoughts like this and be like, wow, that sounds cool, and then adds it to the game a year down the line

[eager dragon]

Maybe. Depends on how much is pre-written

Like, say, the KIM came from Reb's obsession with Love and Deepspace

[sly pagoda]

Orokin would probably find some way to invert a black hole back into a star. Given all the middle fingers to physics they have seem to give.

[placid cypress]

If I remember in a devshort Steve and Reb were taking about not spoiling spider frame for months/maybe years so they have stuff planned pretty early

[eager dragon]

Too be honest that's kinda on a whole other level of insane. Like, one thing is void travel and live buildings, but s completely different one is reversing a star's life.

[sly pagoda]

Naturally since most big science things are a “they could but probably shouldn’t” i am sure that inversion would unleash some new horror on the galaxy.

[eager dragon]

For example, they deemed it better to colonise another system than fix the Origin one

[placid cypress]

Lmao, new faction = the twilight, horrors that are on par with the void

[sly pagoda]

I just find humor that every hubris backfire for them the solution was just use bigger hubris.

[eager dragon]

Don't listen to anyone if you can you should. Like grinding through the whole night the day before an exam /s

[eager dragon]

Honestly relatable

The solution to a problem is to make a bigger problem to forget previous problem. /s

[sly pagoda]

If i can i should. I cannot help but notice a Reliquary drive can fit in the back of many American pickup trucks.

Tennocon would be a day trip. Just void jump from Philadelphia to London, ON.

What could go wrong! Especially on the return trip. If it’s a void angel vs Eagles fans my money is on Philadelphia.

[placid cypress]

I wish i could teleport from Scotland to Canada

for like 2 days

[eager dragon]

Yeah, the minus of living in europe

[placid cypress]

i was really contemplating working for DE at some point but was like nah id need to go to canada

at least we can all still experience this masterpiece of a game

[sly pagoda]

They do have some remote positions too

[placid cypress]

To be fair, i am starting my last year of highschool in august so i may be jumping the gun but still

[sly pagoda]

However cost of the move would be ugly to go to London from Europe. Also afaik housing prices in Canada are fracked as they are in the USA. Until a bubble bursts homes are insanely over priced in North America.

[placid cypress]

yeah, id love to go just once and meet the team behind it all and all of the inner workings (im into computing stuff)

[eager dragon]

Oh, same, lol. What system? I'm taking the ALs

[placid cypress]

SQA, so im gonna be doing AHs

Advenced Highers

is that what u mean?

[eager dragon]

Yeah. I'm just interested to see how it varies - do you guys also choose the subjects?

[placid cypress]

yeah, maths and english are mandatory up to 4th year for us

other than that we can pick whatever

[eager dragon]

We get to pick in the last 4 yeqrs - IGCEs and ALevels. AL though need atleast one language, science and humanitarian

[placid cypress]

ah right, we had to do similar til third year: 1 science, 1 lang etc but im actually surprised at how lenient our system is

i dropped all "expressive arts" and "languages" after s3

[eager dragon]

Our subjects are also divided onto ALs and ASs (standards) - basically the 2 year courses and the 1 ywar courses

[lime moon]

So acolytes are sentients?

[placid cypress]

ahhh

[eager dragon]

I don't think so, they seem the same sort of warframes as Stalker

[placid cypress]

stalker worshipers

[eager dragon]

I'll finally be able to drop the languages next year

[placid cypress]

nice lol

[eager dragon]

Now that I finished the English AS

I honestly just wish we had more time though, there are several subjects I wish I could have taken.

[placid cypress]

yeah im similar

i wanted to do Advanced Maths for S6 (final year) but the timetable clashed with my other choices

[eager dragon]

I'm probably going to study advanced math at home and take the exam, on top of the normal Math AL in school

They don't have the teachers for it, unfortunately

[placid cypress]

my friend is doing that, i would but i dont rly have the motivation anymore

[eager dragon]

Still bothers me that they don't have CS, had to take IT instead

[placid cypress]

damn, thats unlucky

[iron tiger]

If kuva was discovered through the void how did albrecht move through multiple bodies before he went there?

[eager dragon]

It wasn't? I don't think we really know what kuva is.

I could be wrong though.

Technically the Orokin knew about the Void before Albrecht, there just wasn't anything interesting they could do with it, I think (although could be misremembering)

[placid cypress]

just checked lore, theres nothing concrete about its(kuva) origins

[humble sierra]

It's a fluid with "void derived" properties, but it's not necessarily derived from the Void itself

If Duviri is any indication, it could just be a resource that could come from the ground like oil

[placid cypress]

"The special nature of Kuva is said to be derived from the Void, which gives it the unique ability to conduct and transfer consciousness."

[iron tiger]

Maybe kuva comes from the pre-albrecht void and is what was there before the other stuff thus explaining conceptual embodiment

[placid cypress]

thats a good theory

[sly pagoda]

Something that rots in my brain sometimes is how terrifying being hit by Titania would be. Being run into by a spikey armored and shielded thing the size of a small dog going Mach3 sounds unpleasant.

Its possible they did not fully understand how Kuva until the void research really got on its feet.

[iron tiger]

The color red definitely has some meaning in the void it’s the color it turned when Wally was released during the rain of chains

[eager dragon]

Wasn't there something to do with some substance that may or may not have been kuva in Duviri connected with the rain of chain (or whatever that even was called - the one where rell died)

[iron tiger]

That rain was from a red void storm

[humble sierra]

That could just be so it's obvious the Rain of Chains is related to Harrow

[iron tiger]

Or a red veil perhaps

[placid cypress]

"In Sanskrit, it means a flower or a lotus." could this have any significance?

[eager dragon]

What in sanskrit

[humble sierra]

Kuva, I'm assuming

[placid cypress]

Kuva is blood of wally???

[humble sierra]

Probably not

[placid cypress]

yh sorry forgot to mention that

[humble sierra]

They used it before Wally technically existed

But since time doesn't matter to him, maybe?

[placid cypress]

true but with eternalism he always existed or some crabirfkbn

[iron tiger]

If it conducts consciousness, is red, and can randomly appear from the earth I’m guessing it happens when the void is damaged or reality is torn

[eager dragon]

On the other hand, the Void doesn't really care about linear time. The only reason Wally some what does is because his finger ties him to a single strand of khra

[sly pagoda]

The Unum produces Temple Kuva so the meat towers could make it.

[eager dragon]

Void I want to drink kuva, it just looks and sounds delicious.

I mean, if you saw something called "temple kuva" on a menu, wouldn't you choose it?

[sly pagoda]

Some lore says it tastes Metallic

[eager dragon]

I mean, assuming it tastes like blood, yeah, that makes sense

[placid cypress]

Karris describes the Kuva as having a "metallic taste".

[iron tiger]

We can assume that the tower produces kuva through the void

We also know sentients can consume it

[eager dragon]

Yeah, it fixes their fertility problems for some reason.

[iron tiger]

What if their reproductive systems are tied to their oro/consciousness

[eager dragon]

(Why does Hunhow keep talking about his womb)

[placid cypress]

probably a portal to tau or sth

[proper barn]

You don't understand like asexual reproduction?

[proper barn]

What are you saying?

[strange plinth]

what

[placid cypress]

idk lol im tired

[sly pagoda]

The Bodyjacking Continuity thing always reminds me of this film from the 1990s “Freejack”. And a plot item called the Spiritual Switchboard.

[iron tiger]

Like a summalyst?

[eager dragon]

But they could reproduce before they were conscious

[proper barn]

That's not what a summalyst does.

It makes fake sentients.

[iron tiger]

Oh

Mannnn

[proper barn]

IF THEY COULD HAVE A PORTAL TO TAU THAT DOESN'T like HURT THEM

Why wouldn't they use that all the time?

[placid cypress]

are sentients a hive mind or individual

i forget

[proper barn]

Yes.

[placid cypress]

ah

[proper barn]

Okay so the tiny ones are fragments of the bigger actual minds like Hunhow or lotus. @placid cypress

[sly pagoda]

During the old war the Sol side of the solar rail to Tau suffered rapid scheduled disassembly.

[placid cypress]

yeahh

[iron tiger]

I believe they are telepathic but they are not one, but they are a part of a whole

[strange plinth]

hunhow sees through the lotus during Natah or Second Dream. don't remember
but they seem to have individual personalities outside of direct connections

[proper barn]

Well more a laser shot.

[iron tiger]

So like a segmented hivemind

[proper barn]

Yes kinda.

[iron tiger]

Or like a mommy being able to talk to her womb

[proper barn]

At least for fragments and main sentients.

[proper barn]

Well their kids are their own hive minds

[iron tiger]

Exactly

[proper barn]

Its only the fragments/smaller sentients that are controlled by bigger ones.

[placid cypress]

i wonder then if kuva is like a tether to conciousness that keeps the mind or soul attached to reality

[proper barn]

No? Cuz Voruna uses it to like combine with all her dogs.

[placid cypress]

and it can be abused as seen in continuity

[placid cypress]

ah damn

[sly pagoda]

Kuva likely makes it easier to untether a consciousness. Which is why its part of Continuity.

[proper barn]

Or tether one? But also it can just make you really power ful as seen in kuva liches.

Also you can use it on dead bodies to make them combine with you.

Which is what Voruna does.

[iron tiger]

So red kuva is permanent but to what degree? I thought they could switch bodies whenever? But the naberus story says that red kuva made them stay in their bodies forever?

[proper barn]

Wait what made you think that second thing?

[placid cypress]

was just gonna mention that, apparently blue kuva exists

[proper barn]

We literally know that it can fail and its a giant process. Why would they be able to switch bodies whenever? @iron tiger

[iron tiger]

They screamed in anger about their hideous forms implying they couldn’t change back

[proper barn]

Yeah

Not without new bodies

More kuva and more like Time. Continuity can fail

[sly pagoda]

Grandma has a story about Blue Kuva but unknown if that is true or just a ghost story for Naberus.

[iron tiger]

So is the yuvan is like very rare and expensive and experimental?

[placid cypress]

think of rivens, kuva changes the attributes of the mod(body) but not the innate weapon(soul) idk why this helps its just something i thought of

[proper barn]

I meant what makes you think they could switch bodies whenever? It's like buying a house you could technically always buy a house whenever doesnt mean its not a giant process.

[proper barn]

Not really you would just 1 need to capture a young person. 2 need to have kuva and then do the ceremony that might fail And the Orokin in that story don't look like orokin anymore they look like terrible monsters.

[placid cypress]

and it req more each time hinting at an eventual giant process, idek anymore lol

[iron tiger]

The orokin empire was the peak of human technology, and the fact they did continuity for Halloween dress up implies it was literally like wearing a costume.

[proper barn]

With blue kuva it is

Cuz blue kuva is temporary

But even then it's not something they do all the time.

[proper barn]

They literally use Kuva to strip a person completely of themselves and put themselves there. You see the Queens try to do this in the war within.

[iron tiger]

So if red kuva is permanent then wouldn’t that mean they’d have a final form or body?

[proper barn]

IT'S WHY ITS CALLED THE WAR Within

[proper barn]

Do you mean?

They use blue Kuva so they can be in basically a monster suit with no consequences.

[iron tiger]

Well I thought the orokin switched bodies every once in a while with red kuva

[proper barn]

They do.

[iron tiger]

But it’s permanent

[proper barn]

It's so they can live forever.

[placid cypress]

heres the lore

[iron tiger]

So they’d be stuck?

[proper barn]

Omg you don't understand like the difference between like how a day and a lifetime is different.

Do you understand the difference between how renting a car isn't permanent but buying a car is even if at some point youll have to get new one?

[iron tiger]

Ohhhhh

Ok now I understand

[proper barn]

Also they would have to try to get someone to talk to them and change them back cuz they wouldn't look like Orokin anymore.

[strange plinth]

do we even know if the blue kuva is real or just a naberus tale?
i don't think its mentioned outside of that

[woven coyote]

No confirmation

[placid cypress]

Just realised something, archons dont have to be frames, look at erra for example.

[proper barn]

We don't know.

[iron tiger]

I think they just have to have oro or something like that

[proper barn]

We literally haven't heard of oro recently in the lore other than Albretch saying it's dumb.

[iron tiger]

Ughhh warframe and its retcons

[woven coyote]

What retcon lol

[proper barn]

That's not a retcon.

[somber adder]

Archons were Sentients shaped like old Earth animals, Erra slapped their corpses together with that of Old War-era Warframes

[placid cypress]

Oro = Soul?

[somber adder]

Most likely

[proper barn]

Maybe.

[somber adder]

Oro-kin, the people who did continuity

[proper barn]

But also that's not retcon means. @iron tiger

[woven coyote]

Its only mentioned in pvp and when albrecht scoffs at it

[somber adder]

Retcon is a retroactive change, oro is just something we don’t know anything about

[proper barn]

Also it was Albretch saying it's dumb and that his cat is special and does have oro.

[somber adder]

Kalymos also seems to have Void powers

[proper barn]

No?

[somber adder]

She’s also distinctly more intelligent than normal kavats

[proper barn]

Also no

[somber adder]

She literally turns into an energy ball

[somber adder]

She very explicitly is more intelligent

She just doesn’t show it outwardly

[proper barn]

Is that not just game mechanics?

[somber adder]

Most things are a bit of both

[iron tiger]

Nahhh bruhhh I know but like sometimes things just get forgotten in warframe lore so quickly and then they become less important it like mannnnn

[placid cypress]

could oro be linked to the concept of the OuROboruos cycle?

[somber adder]

That’s not a retcon that’s just forgetting

[somber adder]

Absolutely not

[proper barn]

That's not what retcon means. Albretch doesn't say it's not real or anything. Just that the scholars debating oro are dumb and his pet has a soul.

[somber adder]

An example of an actual retcon in Warframe: Stalker hating warframes rather than Tenno

(Jade Shadows)

[proper barn]

That's not what what

[woven coyote]

That sounds more like an error in interpretation than a retcon

[proper barn]

@somber adder that's not what's said.

[woven coyote]

Not like stalker had a line saying "i hate tennos"

[proper barn]

Especially in the repears latment

Hunhow is just telling Stalker to look PAST his hate for the tenno to ask for help. @somber adder

[somber adder]

In every way except directly it’s implied he hates Tenno because he hates himself, but in Jade Shadows it’s warframes he hates

[proper barn]

So your wrong.

[woven coyote]

Interpretation

[placid cypress]

Oro could be a link to the void, all tenno, albrecht, Kalymos and presumably the cavia have touched the void and all have oro?

[proper barn]

I just know your wrong.

[somber adder]

You’re *

[proper barn]

Cus he still hates the tenno he just works with us

To save his wife and child.

[somber adder]

That’s not the point, the point is why he hates tenno

[proper barn]

Would you let your wife and child die just cuz you hated someone?

[placid cypress]

Battle of the Vs

[somber adder]

In the Second Dream he’s implied very strongly to hate Tenno because he is one, but that was retconned away and thrown aside

[proper barn]

That's literally not true.

[woven coyote]

Not retcon

[somber adder]

That’s maybe not a direct retcon but it’s very damn close to it

[proper barn]

Your wrong cuz he still hates the tenno @somber adder

[somber adder]

It is

[woven coyote]

He has no memories so wondering if he is a tenno would be a natural thing in the moment

[somber adder]

THAT IS NOT THE POINT

It’s WHY he hates them

[proper barn]

I can literally get THE REAPERS LAMENT RIGHT NOW

[somber adder]

THAT IS NOT THE POINT

LEARN TO READ

[proper barn]

Thats what you said

[somber adder]

The REASON

[sly pagoda]

We have no clue if he ever had an operator. We know that Jade did though.

[proper barn]

You said he didn't hate the tenno but the warframes

Which isn't true.

[placid cypress]

could kuva be the physical manifestation of "oro"?

[woven coyote]

Besides it was hunhow basically trying to pour gas on stalkers hatred
Stalker never said anything outright(shocker i know)

[proper barn]

Probably not.

[somber adder]

I said that specifically he hated Tenno because he thought he was one, and then suddenly the justification for his hatred was “you hate warframes”

[normal mountain]

I believe part of the story of Jade Shadows was that he didn't recognize Jade
Except she saved his life, so now Stalker was trying to save hers
And I seriously doubt he realized she was pregnant until the birthing process

[somber adder]

Obviously he still hates Tenno because of the Night of the Naga Drums

[proper barn]

That's not why he hates the tenno

[woven coyote]

Did he ever say he thought he was one
Or was hunhow narrating him wondering IF he was

[proper barn]

He literally knows she's pregnant.

That's why he's Stalker cuz she was pregnant .@normal mountain

[somber adder]

Yeah he doesn’t really say anything so Hunhow is our only source for the Second Dream

[normal mountain]

Didn't seem like it to me, but sure