lore-discussion

[sly pagoda]

https://youtu.be/nja-B04OTHI

[smoky mango]

mind you we currently don't have a sun uh... node I guess. The sun always seems to be where our warframe's belly is when we sit in the navigation, so I wonder if they'll add a new place to orbit the sun around :D

[restive river]

We have no reason to go to Tau though
The sentients aren’t a threat
Narmer is, that’s a detour that makes sense

Also our Drifter literally says they’ll follow Albrecht so they can help stop Wally

[sly pagoda]

“Sun nodes” could be using Praghasa to access the old Duviri islands cut free into the void.

[smoky mango]

And I'm sure we will, but while Wally ain't doing nothing, figure we can stop another potential risk of annihilation that might occur from Pazuul's side-

[restive river]

Like Tau is absolutely an interesting place and one I do think we will go to eventually if the story calls for it
But presently? The most we have HINTING at Tau being a place we go is Albrecht’s comment.

[restive river]

Correct me if I’m wrong but weren’t a majority of those just
Dissolved by the void?

I know Scholar’s Landing disappeared and Lorn is still out there somewhere but the others? The ones where Wally was sighted?

[silk atlas]

Narmer -> Third Orb -> Pazuul retreats -> Tau, is how I'm gonna justify (read: cope) Tau at the moment

[sly pagoda]

That is what I thought but anything is possible when you just add void.

[restive river]

Agreed tbh
Which we still have no method to even go there

[restive river]

And emotions and concepts

[sly pagoda]

Hole in the sun could also be a red herring.

[restive river]

It could be

[sly pagoda]

Rebb can be tricksy. 😉

[restive river]

I mean
A hole like that doesn’t just happen, if it’s damage from the whole portal debacle

1. Shouldn’t it be smaller?
   And
2. I would imagine it’d close up

It is ofc possible that due to the nature of the hole (a void portal) it doesn’t just disappear easily

Could very well be the hole has been growing in size

And hey, it could be that we have to stabilize it somehow so it doesn’t consume the sun and boom, portal to Tau

[smoky mango]

I mean, Ballas was eating the sun to jump to Tau, and while I don't think we're gonna finish eating the sun, we might still be able to use the hole it left in it somehow to repair the Outer Terminus Solar Rail 🤔 But that's just speculation

[sly pagoda]

We use the sunhole to take a vessel back to 1999 and have a Pacific Rim fight with Wally near Hollvania. (I kid)

[restive river]

Our methods to Tau are either
Zariman (plugging a hole)
Maybe the sun hole that we don’t even really know about yet
The solar rail repaired
Or a fourth secret option

[silk atlas]

Railjack (Good luck)

[restive river]

Through Narmer we honestly have a better chance at getting to Tau
Which again, the biggest issue with Tau is we have no reason to go there!

[smoky mango]

There's one more option nobody's thought of... Let's aim grendel's meatball form to deep space 🤔

[restive river]

Tau Sentients aren’t our enemy
They haven’t been for a long time

[sly pagoda]

Zariamn would need us to find a way to plug the void hole or bad happens if we remove it.

Like crossing the streams bad for Sol.

[restive river]

Combine it with Nova’s portals and we might be able to get him there

[restive river]

Void storms everywhere basically

Zariman is a likey no go
Railjack is a def no go
Any form that’s one way is a no go
Sunhole is just an unknown
If the solar rail is repaired it’s literally the best and safest option-

[smoky mango]

My best guess is that we're gonna be going full Narmer with this, it's the most logical scenario for Tau things

[restive river]

It is!

[smoky mango]

and like I don't mind at all, I love narmer

[restive river]

Which while I still think we have no reason to go yet we would need a method to go there regardless :)

[restive river]

Same!
More Pazuul!
More Erra!
More Archons!

[smoky mango]

oh not again

got this scam recently from a friend

[restive river]

):

[silk atlas]

<@&778745217037238293>

[bronze field]

✂️

[restive river]

[smoky mango]

we definitely need a bunch more new archons omg, we only have three warframes used by them so far (plus pazuul)

[restive river]

We have 3 more shards
C’mon DE give us some specialized new-age Archons

[proper barn]

Lul no

I do however WANT CALIBAN PRIME

PLEASE

[restive river]

The issue there ofc being there’s no known way Pazuul/Erra would get those shards

[sly pagoda]

Only reason i could think of going to Tau is if for some reason Hunhow gets some kind of distress signal from there and we use the sun hole to go and find the sentients got nommed by the murmur.

[restive river]

Gyre Prime

[proper barn]

Thats just as likely.

[restive river]

What if he wants us to repair the solar rail

[proper barn]

But I want Caliban

[restive river]

Or maybe Pazuul wants to repair it

[proper barn]

I still think Narmer is trying to Repair it

[restive river]

Isn’t she more likely?

Like Caliban will get his, most likely this year
But
Gyre is right there!

[sly pagoda]

I mean someday we need to sail the solar rail. 😉

[proper barn]

We hear from Lotus about like "Narner are doing a lot of stuff and using a Lotta resources and energy"

[restive river]

We do everytime we go between planets/moons
no?

[proper barn]

I mean from the schedule it could be either.

[sly pagoda]

Yeah we do afaik at least.

[restive river]

Third orb + narmer repairs it

[proper barn]

Yes.

[smoky mango]

Owl, Wolf, Snake... Next up: Cat (valkyr), Capybara (dagath?), Tardigrade (grendel) 👀

[proper barn]

YES thats BEEN MY IDEA SINCE VIELBREAKER CAME OUT

[restive river]

LOL

[sly pagoda]

But i used an opportunity to quote Sleeping in the Cold Below.

[restive river]

very nice

[modern steppe]

Ngl given after TNW and Jade Shadows he might as well not care

[restive river]

Let grandpa rest
Let the defiled corpse of his son do it instead

[modern steppe]

“Oh, my family back in Tau are sending a distress signal?”

“Ehhhh nah, I don’t want any more problems at my age”

[restive river]

Meanwhile Pazuul: “I WILL HELP THEM, REBUILD THE RAIL!”

[proper barn]

I mean current hunhow is the most likely to ask for our help.

He's like old and feels bad now.

His daughter is okay and he can't be upset anymore.

[modern steppe]

At the same time he’s past his time of anything relating to the original goal unless there’s something really bad going on Tau

[sly pagoda]

We have to close the SunHole because praghasa is still pumping sun energy into the void, pressure is building and will pop the Zariman out like an evil potato gun. Causing void storms everywhere, And the Tenno have to stop it.

[modern steppe]

But like… realistically speaking there’s not a lot of things threateneing Tau unless it’s narmer

[proper barn]

Rebuild Pagarsa would be cool.

But idk what we are gonna do.

[smoky mango]

Praghasa will be the next upgrade to our railjack 👍

[proper barn]

For not story updates

[smoky mango]

I think I need a bigger dry dock :(

[proper barn]

I want my infested ship Tile rework.

[smoky mango]

I honestly would have kinda liked a Murmur open world, I saw someone mention it before

I don't think we're bound to get it anytime soon, maybe never, but an open world with such a bizarre aesthetic would go pretty hard

kinda how you see the background from Sanctum Anatomica, just white rocks, sand and blue shines

And to be fair we haven't really gotten any "murmur" technology as far as im concerned, all weapons and warframes around that era have been fully Entrati, but no multi armed warframes or just wacky looking weapons

i think that's a fair bit of untapped potential imo

[proper barn]

Idk if we need another Open world

[smoky mango]

thing is, we probably wont get a murmur one since sanctum anatomica is already bounty based

that IS the open world, even if it's not really open

[sly pagoda]

Think you caught the techrot? Ask your doctor if Helminth is right for you.

[smoky mango]

I would agree, but I honestly wouldn't mind it; it gives a lot more things to do, and lets you explore around if you have nothing else to do. I haven't really gone to Fortuna in a while since I have no reason to, but it's good to know it's there

we're probably getting some sentient open world at one point, or at least a bounty based tileset. Only time will tell

[sly pagoda]

I mean technically praghasa is big enough to be an open world.

[fresh sail]

Wow I sure did waltz into something interesting here

[smoky mango]

that'd be kinda cool, maybe some sort of zariman "open world"

[fresh sail]

I don't mind people theorycrafting about Tau, but I find it a bit weird still how.... certain some people are

[sly pagoda]

Open world/open space if they felt really ambitious and wanted to somehow mix in archwing or railjack.

[fresh sail]

And, not to be the bee in someone's bonnet, but..... I feel like some people are expecting DE to unveil Warframe 2 at TennoCon this year somehow. At least content wise

I feel like they're vastly overestimating what "a pretty chunky update" actually entails

[smoky mango]

Well we know for certain it's going to be a sentient based update (or narmer, they're similar enough lmao), we know it's gonna be a pretty chonky update, and we have seen things that are definitely suspicious such as the T-shirt with the liset going out of the Origin System (plus the relay node is going to be orbiting the sun). But like you can think whichever way fits you, these are just theories and we've never been so close to being right about this before

[smoky mango]

hmm, I don't personally think going to Tau necessarily entails "Warframe 2" level content

[fresh sail]

I suppose? I suppose I was moreso focusing on the amount of content angle
I mean with the way some people speak on the matter it almost feels as if they're expecting a whole second starchart to be introduced in one update

The New War was a major update. And all things considered it was more "Warframe: the Movie" than anything

[smoky mango]

I believe we will, but I don't think it's gonna have a bunch of planets ready for the taking. I suspect we will get one planet for now, and that's probably the way Warframe is gonna expand in the future

[proper barn]

Ohhhhhhh i would love just a narmer themed update

That would be cool.

[smoky mango]

We cannot add more planets to the origin system, it's already pretty packed in there, but we can add made up planets to another system very far away lmao

[fresh sail]

I'm just getting "I'm setting my expectations way too high" vibes from a lotta people and when those expectations are "betrayed" historically MMO players.... don't react particularly well

[smoky mango]

Like we literally didn't even have space for Duviri, we have to click on the upper right corner to access it or go all the way from the Dormizone to enter it; it literally doesn't fit the star chart lmao

[fresh sail]

Guess it's not a super big deal tho, no shade it'd just how I feel

I prefer to expect little/nothing and potentially be pleasantly surprised, so hype as a concept is essentially alien lol

[smoky mango]

It's alright, keeping your expectations low is a wise thing to do and many people do it, but I just don't think there's any reason to believe this won't be a Tau travel update. It might suck, but at least we might be right about one thing lmao

It's just far too many coincidences for me to ignore them, imo

[smoky mango]

yep yep! new archonsss, new weapons... potentially a warframe that was "almost" made into an archon? that'd be pretty sick

kinda xaku style frame

[proper barn]

I wouldn't expect a new archon. Just 3rd orb.

[smoky mango]

that'd be the ideal update for me, I guess, some new content and equipment to mess around with. I thought I'd like the moveset of Oraxia but it sadly didn't click for me

[smoky mango]

I didn't know what you guys were talking about so I searched it up, and dang I didn't know there was an abandoned orb wth

[proper barn]

You know the dailies help you right.

[fresh sail]

Guess that's not allowed in this channel

[proper barn]

Its been there since Fortuna came out. Just after the Voruna update its had a narmer drone near it.

@fresh sail this is a lore channel.

Do you Have lore questions.

[fresh sail]

?
My stuff wasn't deleted

[chrome frost]

theres actaully a way we can get new archons...if we go to tau sentient liches might become a thing and archons are essentially undead sentients who have a mind unlike eidolons

example: pazuul

[proper barn]

Archons are a Erra invention.

[smoky mango]

dang then I'm so on board with this theory omg, a Narmer orb would be insane. Corpus orbs are already creepy as heck, Narmer orbs would be nightmare fuel

[proper barn]

Its not just a theory DE keep saying they are trying to find a thing to use it for.

[chrome frost]

yeah but theyre not used only by him... i mean someone else had to put that damn ram onto his corpse

[proper barn]

Pargasa like acting just like a machine did.

[chrome frost]

we already have a Narmer orb bruv

its in the narmer mission for orb vallis

[proper barn]

We do not.

[smoky mango]

lmfao

[proper barn]

That's not the kinda of orb we mean.

[chrome frost]

do you mean the 3rd orb that is being scanned by a narmer drone?

[proper barn]

Yes.

Did you read anything i said?

[fresh sail]

So do we not know who Archon'd Erra?

[chrome frost]

nope

[proper barn]

The devs said like Parghasa did it as like

It was just a normal function she does.

[chrome frost]

...so pragasa was still sort of alive?

[smoky mango]

Just went to check in on the abandoned orb, and dang that's pretty sick

[chrome frost]

wait a second....we didnt do crap to pragasa, not a scratch no nothing....what are the chances lotus just drove her away somewhere else?

[proper barn]

No.

[proper barn]

Probably not.

[fresh sail]

Iirc she is braindead

So any "conscious" movements are just muscle memory, her following her last given directive

[chrome frost]

so shes essentially just an enormous eidolon?

[proper barn]

Eidolons are part of a old sentient that died

Not their own sentient.

[chrome frost]

huh i thought it was just what dead sentients are, oh well

[modern steppe]

more along the lines of "undead" sentients

or at least heavily damaged (Eidolon Lotus)

[restive river]

Undead sentients are eidolons

[smoky mango]

In greek, eidolon literally means ghost or phantom, so this word is meant to imply that they're some form of spirits

[tall echo]

Eidolons can be a full sentient

Lotus, plains vomvalysts

The vomvas that can appear in veil anomalies actually do not have eidolon in their name

[proper barn]

We can't think vomvas are full sentients

[tall echo]

I can

[proper barn]

They are fragments of a Sentient.

Liek the drones we fight of Hunhows.

Those are fragments of him.

[tall echo]

Ok I don't mean full full sentients

Still eidolon is not exclusive to the pieces of the plains sentient

[proper barn]

Well I more assume these where like fragments they controlled

That where majorly weakened when they died.

[tall echo]

Lotus

Was an eidolon

Eidolon is just undead sentients, full and drones

[proper barn]

Yee

[candid loom]

Ok who tf makes cheddar flavor cereal?!?!?

[lean garden]

Lettie's Rats

[silk atlas]

We have soda flavored Pop-Tarts and Sour Patch cereal, cheddar flavor cereal is far from the worst thing humanity has created

[frank ledge]

And do not forget peepsi

Peeps pepsi

[silk atlas]

Can't forget because I didn't know that one

[placid cypress]

the sun node has to mean caliban prime surely, like the lore behind it was the preghasa shooting him into the sun to be the catalyst of the solar rail and after we merked it then he was sorta just floating in space or sth like that

he adpapted to become a prime to allow him to survive in the sun

maybe????

[lean garden]

like the lore behind it was the preghasa shooting him into the sun to be the catalyst of the solar rail and after we merked it then he was sorta just floating in space or sth like that
eh?

[normal mountain]

There's also Coca-Cola flavored Oreos
and, slightly more cursed, Oreo flavored Coca-Cola
I can say this with certainty because I've tried both

[fresh sail]

Flamin' Hot Mountain Dew?🤢

Hot Cheeto Mac'N'Cheese

Why is Sentient design so.... edgy?

w/ the blacks and reds, skull and bone fetishism etc.

[north jolt]

I wonder where Pazuul was or was doing before archoning Erra tho

[dusk temple]

There’s also Dr. Pepper Peeps.

[white goblet]

God can DE do us a favor and add a mini heart in the backroom? It would immediately solve a lore plothole

[humble sierra]

Mini heart? Lore plothole?

[tall echo]

Heart of deimos powers stuff in future, what powers stuff in past

[graceful swan]

Best I can offer

[humble sierra]

Ahhh

[tall echo]

Heart of pride, the superior heart

[humble sierra]

Thought they were referring to a heart more like what Nemesis sent, lol

[tall echo]

I have three on my backroom tv

[strange turtle]

It’s not a lore plothole it’s an intentional mystery

[woven coyote]

Iirc there was a chat where the characters wonder how albrecht powered the stuff in 1999

So as rodney said its intentional

[graceful swan]

Eleanor says there isn't one in 1999 but she probably doesn't even know herself as she didn't read Albrecht’s mind to get the info

[restive river]

The void tech in 1999 is being powered somehow
We just have no idea how

[keen latch]

I do wonder how it works for the tenno. Given that they are made out of void stuff physically. They won't just wick out like daemons in Warhammer.

[tall echo]

They are not made out of void stuff, they are infused with void stuff

[keen latch]

Interesting, I've heard terms like void body from one of the holdfasts. Plus a few things about the tenno themselves being immune to infestation (not just the frames, but the tenno themselves). And whatnot.

And some of the KIM chats might touch on it.

[tall echo]

Cavalero tells the player to use their void body to absorb the orbs in angel fights, but that refers to the void sling

[proper barn]

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[balmy nymph]

I want a personal warframe like the op or drifter

Like one u can fully customise and use the helmlith to add multiple abilitys

Only issue is idk how that would work lore wise short of our drifter becomeing a protoframe

[restive river]

Conceptually embodied warframe

[balmy nymph]

That void magic @restive river

[proper barn]

there has been a idea been thrown out since helminth came out about a frame in the style of build a weapon/pet that the open world have. a Build-a-bear warframe if you will.

[balmy nymph]

So a Build-a-frame hm dident know that i just feel like if that was to exist it would need to involve the drifter in some way and well with proto frsmes the idea of the drifter turning into ones been in my head for a while though someone told me our void stuff would kill the infection

[restive river]

Less it kills it and more we can’t be infected

[balmy nymph]

Ah

[restive river]

Another problem with Drifter becoming a proto: fashion for the Drifter, can’t just reverse it
Another issue is the fact the protos don’t succumb due to being in a time loop and having us
Drifter would eventually become a full frame and lose their mind

Can’t exactly just make an entirely new frame either cause that requires a person to be helminthed

[balmy nymph]

Oh ya temple forgot about that

[restive river]

I think the best solution would be a conceptually embodied warframe
Born from the void and us

[restive river]

Technically they all succumb but Temple is the only one to make it the long way round due to being on a comet

The rest of the protos are technically lost to history

[balmy nymph]

Dose it ever say if balas used them as templates for the primes?

[restive river]

No
No bootstrap paradoxes here.

Nothing suggests a loop
And the original Warframes had to come first so that the Protos could be made

[balmy nymph]

So we runin off split timeline logic

[restive river]

No.

Temple is the only unique one and even they were desgiened by Ballas
It’s just with Flare they altered the design when they made Lizzie

[balmy nymph]

Ya temple just realised when i said it

[restive river]

There’s no split timelines
The changes we make to the past stay changed, we can rewrite things but it largely doesn’t matter

[balmy nymph]

Ya

[restive river]

We go back on our own timeline
Inhabit a loop, change things in it, those changes extend outside of the loop

[balmy nymph]

Wate balas made temples wf version to?

[restive river]

Technically yes he designed them, never built them cause they were too rebellious
Albrecht took the design and made Flare into a protoframe with it

[balmy nymph]

So he was a consept?

[restive river]

They were just a design, never made until Albrecht made them

Temple and Flare are nonbinary btw
They/them

[balmy nymph]

Trust me there genders the last thing im trying to work out rn

[restive river]

It’s not that hard

[balmy nymph]

So balas designed them but dident build them

[odd prairie]

temple learned about the futurr

[balmy nymph]

So were they like sill in the consept stage

[restive river]

Yup
He was afraid basically

[odd prairie]

so put themself on ice until the time came to become a frame

[balmy nymph]

So is the wf temple the same proto temple

[woven coyote]

Ye ballas was afraid of the good old rebellious frame

[restive river]

Unknown exactly
We just know they were never built
Albrecht took the design, altered it for being a proto, gave it to Flare who’s band name is Temple
Boom Temple, eventually

[odd prairie]

yeah its not concrete but flare hints at wanting to do something like it

[restive river]

Yup, only one of the protos that is both the original frame and the protoframe

[odd prairie]

which means when you put the gemini skin on your a frame imitating a person who was already that person

[restive river]

Kaya portals them onto a comet that wouldn’t show back up til we overthrow the Orokin
Over that time Flare succumbs to the infestation fully becoming Temple and they join us

[balmy nymph]

Wate so if he already existed then why was he considered designed was he still partly proto when ballas found him

[odd prairie]

eternalism

[woven coyote]

Nope

[restive river]

they
And no, Ballas never found the design
He made the original design, Albrecht took it and THEN Flare became Temple

[restive river]

Literally no Eternalism here.

[odd prairie]

he made the design albrecht took it time travelled back

then infected flare

[restive river]

Ballas made it
Albrecht took it
Made Flare
Flare goes on a comet
Becomes Temple
Helps us kill the Orokin
Ballas never meets them as far as we know

[woven coyote]

Temple design
Albrecht hands the injection to flare
All the 1999 stuff happens
Flare figures out how to be there for the night of the naga drums
Rides a commet out of the system fully transforming in the meantime
Comet returns to the origin system in the right time

[balmy nymph]

Ooooooooh right so its like a circle that finishes above the origional start

[odd prairie]

yeah

[restive river]

No, there’s no loop here, it’s not a paradox

[odd prairie]

we changed time

[restive river]

Well Albrecht did in this instance
We just help Flare to want to go on the comet

[balmy nymph]

Ya thats what i mean it ends above the start therefor change

[odd prairie]

i wonder how the other frames happen then

with protos

[woven coyote]

They dont

[balmy nymph]

I wana know what happens to them

[odd prairie]

yeah just conviently similiar powers to our frames

[woven coyote]

Flare is the exception not the rule

[odd prairie]

it sucks they said 1999 is pretty much done id love more protos with xpanded lore

[woven coyote]

Gotta move the story

[restive river]

What??
Albrecht took designs for many frames and infected them and made them Protos

[balmy nymph]

Its albrect

[woven coyote]

Didnt the dossiers have something about compatibility btw?

[restive river]

All of the other protos do not become the frames we eventually use
None of them inspire Ballas
They’re too far back in time for any of that

[odd prairie]

time travel is complicated

[balmy nymph]

Yep

[woven coyote]

And too nuked

[odd prairie]

also ofcourse ballas has the creativity of a fly

[restive river]

Yeah, they are around for the eventual radiation wars
So
I really doubt they lived

[odd prairie]

90 percent of his ideas are stolen or just him being petty

[restive river]

Especially since it sounded like those started cause of the infestation

[restive river]

Okay he still made them
This isn’t a bootstrap.

[balmy nymph]

Best way of looking at it is a straight line with a circle in the middle (1999) with a line from the end going into the circle (albrect time travel with stuff)

[odd prairie]

the day i compliment ballas is the day stug prime exists

[balmy nymph]

Thats how i see it

[restive river]

Nothing suggests it’s a bootstrap
And as much as Ballas sucks he is unfortunately still smart and the creator of like. Nearly every frame.

[odd prairie]

lavos made himself a prime

[balmy nymph]

I sometimes call him sandwich man after a joke that happend in my clan

[restive river]

Yes
He did

This still isn’t a bootstrap paradox

[odd prairie]

im not calling it one

ballas is smart but his ego got in the way

[woven coyote]

When you say he stole ideas it does give that impression

[restive river]

^

[balmy nymph]

What about kullervo

Hows he work

[odd prairie]

well after they made an artifical race of killer robots to fight their enemy which went well

[restive river]

Like yes Ballas sucks
So do like 99% of all Orokin
They still were smart and made a lot of wild things

[woven coyote]

Tossed into the void still made by ballas

[balmy nymph]

Gotcha

[odd prairie]

he decided to do the same thing again but give them insane magic

and the ability to resist

[balmy nymph]

We should have turned ballas into a frame

[restive river]

The handful of frames not made by Ballas is very small

[balmy nymph]

Xacu qorvex @restive river

[restive river]

Us controlling a frame isn’t torture to the frame, we help them

[odd prairie]

well umbra might be suffering but not physically

thats mental trauma

[restive river]

Protea is designed by Parvos, built by Ballas
Xaku’s pieces were likely be made from Ballas but they came to be from the void

[balmy nymph]

Who said i meant the controling i ment the transformstion:)

[restive river]

The sacrifice is literally about us taking his pain away

[odd prairie]

you cant really get rid of that pain

[restive river]

Oh then yeah
Lock him where he locked Umbra up too

[odd prairie]

i see it more as we eased his guilt

[restive river]

We help the frames
That’s literally what we do with transference

[balmy nymph]

........ u think the oroken knew what anime was

[odd prairie]

hes gonna live with it forever we just helped him realize he didnt kill his son

[restive river]

We get 3 options to “take away his pain”

[restive river]

Yareli:

[odd prairie]

you know what i mean tho

mental trauma isnt a one and done

[restive river]

I do
We still helped him

[odd prairie]

im glad we helped him tho hes a good lad

[balmy nymph]

Ah yes but wasent she a dancer that ballas just hated for being cheeky

[odd prairie]

just needs to stop yelling so much

[restive river]

Yeah p much lol

[odd prairie]

ballas when someone is having fun

"i hate you"

[balmy nymph]

Still it would be funny if ballas just had a collection of weeb frame ideas since i imagen only higher ups had accsess to old world data

[odd prairie]

ballas's biggest mistake was ruining the galaxy over his petty one sided rivalry with the tenno

[woven coyote]

If they did
Gotta remember all them radiation wars

[balmy nymph]

Wasent even a rivaly he was just mad his wife chose the kids over him we did litteraly nothing but exist as far as i understand

Best thing i can compare him to is reverse flash but even then that feels to high of a complement for him

[balmy nymph]

I gotta get the rest of my codex fragments

[odd prairie]

he also ofcourse kept making perfect weapons and never learning the mistake

they keep turning out horrible or fight back

[woven coyote]

Thats from one of the zariman tablets found in duviri the school quiz ones

[balmy nymph]

Horrible for him jade was nice to us

[balmy nymph]

Ooooooh right

God now i want a vergil warframe

And i dont count excal hes more of a dante warframe to me

[odd prairie]

the only thing i dont get about 1999 is how does the timeloop work if kaya figured out a method to leave it

and what would happen if they finally broke it

[balmy nymph]

She poked a hole in it

And went through

Bing bong through the void in then future

I dident really pay much attention to her messages tbh

Did in some parts but not others

Dident even realise she had gotten to the future until the next day

[odd prairie]

yeah but the others still experience the loop so wouldnt she experience some horrible reality collapse upon reentering the loop

[balmy nymph]

Well notice the red particals around her

That may be something

Oooooor its a giant plot hole

[odd prairie]

imagine going to a different timeline then going back to your original one

you would have memories that dont make sense

[balmy nymph]

....... you may not be far off

Maby the loops its own sperate thing

Like a different contry

Would explain how she can come and go easily then

Come to think of it drifters paradox power may not be to loop a timeline but take a set period of time and isolate it and then repeate it infinatly

Would make the perfect safe house

At least thats my theory

[tall echo]

Eh?

[tall echo]

Drifter didn't make the 1999 loop and the titular paradox is the operator helping drifter as thanks for something they didn't do yet

[balmy nymph]

Huh?

Ok i obviously missed something

[tall echo]

Definitely

A few somethings

[noble wagon]

Hey what is a techrot overload?

[indigo glen]

If it wasn’t for the choice at the end of the New War, For Me, she would be…

• Look like Margulis, No longer Wearing Mask
• Kept Margulis’s gentleness and Lotus’s Mindset and Mannerisms
• Still Named Natah
• Her Sentient form can be activated every time she’s in danger or has to fight.
  It’s Make Sense (at least for me)

[proper barn]

we don't know.

[proper barn]

okay she is a mimic so she can be any of them at any time if she wanted

[indigo glen]

It doesn’t have to be… you know. One of the three or something, she can just… took on the gentle friendly appearance and still called herself Natah

It makes sense for me as I currently choose Lotus with Margulis Skin.

[proper barn]

Yee

[lean garden]

why?

[blissful merlin]

No…? Others mention her even leaving and eventually coming back to check in on them. It’s kinda clear she doesn’t suffer from any major effects from reappearing in this time period/loop. She’s aware of it just like the others but can leave whenever she wants.

She casually leaves 1999 back to the future we’re from and comes back. It’s not like she renters the loop and loses all her memories and suffers from a loop gone wrong. (I guess if you reset memories?? Idk though she always manages to escape with whatever loop I’m assuming) Sounds like a Fortnite plotlime I’m NGL lol

[fallen fog]

Based on the finale it seems while the loop happens it isn't a perfect loop. How a character acknowledges the potential existence of a first them, and whether that makes them the 2nd version or not

[lean garden]

?

[modern steppe]

Wdym by perfect loop

[fallen fog]

Like how Baphy was explaining there could have been problems with Kaya going into the future. I don't believe the kind of loop Drifter has The Hex in is one where those kinds of repercussions can occur. The other members of the hex provided you don't do the Techrot overload, retain their memories. When talking with Arthur after he brings up Drifter's power to loop everything again you can joke that the only reason Drifter did do techrot overload was to date Eleanor

So it seems like a very loose time loop that only exists to keep The Hex safe, and wouldn't have extreme repercussions unless the protoframes maybe met themselves in the past, but the main time travel mechanism entrati's using seems to just be a link between his time and the relevant one 1999

And the other protoframes haven't had an interest in or even have met their past selves

[lean garden]

eh about there

time travel aint that complicated

[fallen fog]

It's not something I've looked too deeply into myself :> I'll have to read up, search around for sources. Not like it's a real thing but I mean the concept of it haha

[woven coyote]

Techrot overload? Am i forgetting something?

[strange plinth]

new(?) pop-up for the reset
don't remember what it used to say but its now labelled "techrot overload" n has the options to forget hex and and roundtable separately

[woven coyote]

Ah didnt read if the window had a title

Usually just want to get it out of the way

[strange plinth]

yeah
i don't think it means much beyond just. an "official name" for the loop reset

[woven coyote]

Bit of an odd name

[fathom viper]

Ok, I have a question regarding to Transference:

Let’s say the operator/Drifter has to leave their warframe behind due to loss of energy or something else. Can they still pilot it without the somalink chair and move around at the same time, and could they still feel pain from the warframe?

[humble sierra]

Seems like some sort of contact is required for Transference.

[fathom viper]

Right, but that was during second dream. What about after that? Operator learned to use transference without the use of the machine. Kinda wonder what are its limitations to all if it, you know.

[keen wedge]

the lore behind te doja is like meditation thats beautiful

[humble sierra]

The Operator seems to be either inside the chair, linked to the Warframe and just able to teleport to them, or inside the Warframe (as they pop out).

[fathom viper]

Ok…how about this, can the operator/drifter could still feel their warframe taking any damage while not piloting it?

[lean garden]

while not connected I say no

[graceful swan]

It’s transference that makes it hurt

So being disconnected entirely it wouldn’t

[fathom viper]

Hmmm, half piloting?

[fathom viper]

Residual link! Thats what I was looking for! Brb Imma learn this

[sly ibex]

Warframes don't run out of power, unless something else contributes (Jade, for example). That said, War Within showed we can use our innate Transference power without the chair, and over any distance.

[lean garden]

unless something else contributes
And ofc when their power source turns off

[restive river]

It is curious that the protoframes are somehow void powered

But if anyone can do that it would be Albrecht

Specifically they’re void attuned
With no known heart or pump in 1999
With ofc the bike and other tech being void-powered too

[graceful swan]

Imagine the answer is the Heart works through time for a guy known for violating time that doesn't sound too crazy

[fathom viper]

Thats another thing, Eleanor says she senses something similar as to the heart of deimos far away. But yeah…how are they void powered? From my understanding, helmith strands give them the strengths, durability, agility of that specific blueprint. Not power. Otherwise why would Helmith need to subsume to get that warframe said power?

Unless you know, Dr E has a hidden lab with a finger somewhere bc you know its Dr E we’re talking

[graceful swan]

Abilities probably

They had abilities before Tenno control

[fathom viper]

Right, that too but using abilities requires void powers, and Helmith doesn’t provide that.

[graceful swan]

Helminth gives the abilities
Abilities still need a battery

[restive river]

Oh yeah no probably

[fathom viper]

Yes, thats what I mean. Eleanor says there a large battery somewhere in Höllvania that isn’t the Drifter. What that battery is I don’t know. Could be another finger or a mock up of a heart of deimos.

[restive river]

The protoframes are void attuned
So they have a connection, it’s just we don’t know how or to what other than the void

[restive river]

Does she?

[fathom viper]

She says something about it in the KIM chat

[graceful swan]

Tbh we don't know what room Albrecht was talking to us from in the recording so it could be there

[restive river]

I’m not finding anything for “battery” so wdym

[graceful swan]

Doesn't Eleanor say there isn't one

[restive river]

she said there’s no heart but she still feels a connection to the void

[fathom viper]

Yes that!

[restive river]

Which, while I don’t think it works with the timeline the vessels that came after the protos do have big void hearts

[restive river]

I don’t believe she gives any info on that cause
She has none

We don’t know of anything like Drifter in 1999
We don’t know how that void tech is powered

[fathom viper]

Fair

[graceful swan]

Should've asked Ballas before we were used as Operators

So much lore questions we could ask characters but don't

[fathom viper]

Think Yonta might tell us, no? Since she does know about the original finger

[graceful swan]

Yonta wasn't on the Warframe project though

Fingers aren't needed for Warframes in any way

[fathom viper]

Maybe Sylvanna?

[graceful swan]

Can the tree even talk?

Been a while since I did that quest

[fathom viper]

When doing the titania quest, she does

But yeah Sylvanna was one of the few who worked on creating Titania along side Margulis.

[tall echo]

Sylvana talks but not much

[fathom viper]

Maybe Human Loid could tell us since Dr E did create a nuke warframe. So maybe he did help on that but I don’t know much about concrete man’s lore

[graceful swan]

There's helping then there's actually making a frame yourself

[restive river]

Albrecht designed him for us

[wind dragon]

The game has like 500 currencies. Why hasn't some enterprising Corpus bizbro set up a currency exchange?

[proper barn]

It only has 2 well 3 currencies if you want.

The rest are resources.

[tall echo]

5 or 6 with pity resources that aren't used in bps

[graceful swan]

Because Credits are the main currency all factions use so less fighting happens during trading

[tall echo]

I even call them pity currency

[wind dragon]

Sure but you can't buy a ton of stuff with them, you have to use what are effectively currencies (fungible resources that aren't usable in crafting) to buy those other things. From a lore perspective you'd think some enterprising Corpus would see the immense profit available in running that kind of exchange. Curious what lore reasons would prevent this from popping up. 🙂

[graceful swan]

I told you a lore reason

Igo95862 asks: How come Lotus, Grineer and Corpus use same currency – credits?
The Corpus and Grineer would prefer to avoid each other as frequently as possible, but trade between all inhabitants of our solar system is an absolute necessity. So long as neither the Grineer nor Corpus control the entirety of our solar system, both sides will always require goods obtainable from specific environments.

Using a single unified currency helps reduce many problems that arise when making complex trades – such as Grineer bidding on Corpus weaponry or Corpus purchasing raw materials en masse from various mining colonies. Naturally, the Tenno may spend credits on similar goods or information such as blueprints.

Only for a brief period of time were credits ignored, when an impatient Grineer captain determined they were not getting the best value from their trades. After the Corpus declared they would not accept underpayment for a shipment of (reportedly) unrefined Oxium the captain reportedly declared he would make up the difference in credits with recently-harvested salvage.

He then promptly fired upon the Corpus vessel, which then threw the entire quadrant's trading post into a heated conflict lasting a week before intervention from the Queens, who were quite upset at the disruption of materials. It is unlikely the captain survived the ordeal.

[tall echo]

The things that aren't buyable with credits require resources that the average shmuck has no access to

[wind dragon]

That makes sense for sure, just wondering why it isn't like reality where there are high end dealers for rare items. I guess maybe it's too dangerous because if you had all that stuff but didn't have an orokin lander and a bunch of warframes to protect it you'd just get robbed?

[woven coyote]

Baro' ki teer

[tall echo]

Who does get attacked during his looting merchandise acquisition missions

[graceful swan]

There's also Varzia selling Prime parts

And other stuff

[woven coyote]

Kinda wish i had the ability to make a baro ki teer drawing in the tusken raider pose
Both are looters from a desert planet that trade with people

[wind dragon]

Good point, though he has his own special currency too, it would be awesome if he traded all kinds of high end stuff

[silk atlas]

Yeah, it's called his entire stock lol

[strange turtle]

I don’t use her much but isn’t she just letting you use her special crafting thing, with the Aya given just being what’s used to actually make stuff?

[graceful swan]

Yeah, the Aya has frames that existed and probably knowledge of frames we haven't even seen yet

[balmy pulsar]

Is there any explanation in lore on why a Jade light from a Jade eximus causes damage to Jade?

[woven coyote]

It is a weapon after all why wouldnt it?

The jade light was an execution tool

[robust cliff]

If you punch yourself, will it hurt?

[graceful swan]

Nothing ever said she was Jade Light immune

[wind dragon]

Because they're assholes and it overwhelms even her patience

And she put up with Shadow

[normal mountain]

Yes
Can confirm

[distant gale]

Hello everyone first time here

[proper barn]

Hello

Person with Nezha Profile picture

[distant gale]

@proper barn Nezha Mains rise up

[proper barn]

Not a nezha main just have watched shaffrilis

[proper barn]

Literally a game Changer question btw. Also yes.

You play warframe you know what a glass cannon is. @robust cliff

[proper barn]

Any questions?

[distant gale]

@proper barn do you know if there was new lore added with the spiderframe

[proper barn]

A lot of confirmations.

Some new lore.

Like we know Albretch had the finger In duviri for a whole hiding it there.

[distant gale]

Do they exsplain how Neci was sent to Duviri

[graceful swan]

Wally

[dusk temple]

Duviri is somewhere in the void, and she made a deal with an eldritch horror from the void. So we assume that when she disappeared from Höllvania, The Indifference sent her to Duviri where she started to cause problems until Thrax called for our help.

[distant gale]

So im assuming entrati was never in 1999 and it was all wally

[dusk temple]

No, Entrati was DEFINITELY in 1999. That’s how the protoframes came to be. It’s just that everything started going south when Wally showed up.

[silk atlas]

Completely wrong. Wally went to 1999 because Albrecht was there.

[dusk temple]

Entrati was the one who started the 1999 loop.

[distant gale]

Ok so at some point they had to switch places because the 1st ending to 1999 had the Whispers if im remember correctly

[dusk temple]

Yes. I think Entrati ran off to wherever he is when Neci disappeared from 1999.

[feral cape]

Does shooting a gun make you immune to being shot

[humble sierra]

Wally never controlled Albrecht. He just mimicked him like he mimicks us.

[viscid aspen]

I wish we got more context about that cuz from our perspective Neci/Wally took us both to the Zariman in the present(?) and Albrecht was nowhere to be seen until he suddenly appears in the nuke room (and then he's again gone until we hear his voice in the true ending a loop later)

[dusk temple]

That was Wally in the nuke room.

[viscid aspen]

Wut

[silk atlas]

No it wasnt

[viscid aspen]

That was Albrecht

[silk atlas]

If it was Wally then we already lost

[dusk temple]

Then there must’ve been something wired with my audio.

[silk atlas]

Albrecht needed the nuke to go off to evade Wally. Wally's currently possessing Rusulka

[dusk temple]

Cause it sounded like his voice was slightly distorted like it was Wally talking as Albrecht

[viscid aspen]

Must've cuz that was very clearly him. "Murmur is expelled. Tau is in sight"

[modern steppe]

Audio doesn’t really matter and also it’s made clear to you that Albi was there

The Interrogation scene is literally Wally talking to Albrecht

[dusk temple]

Okay, so it was just my PC and me both messing up.

[pastel onyx]

Can stalker get a prime or no? Idk his lore too well

[glacial bough]

No

[pastel onyx]

No bc we can't control him or no bc his lore suggests he can't?

[tall echo]

Both

[pastel onyx]

Interesting

[modern steppe]

More so the fact that there’s no one around thats willing to Prime Stalker, on the off chance anyone wanted to

[tall echo]

That's not an issue

[modern steppe]

Technically it would’ve exist but considering that Stalker’s been unmanned by a Tenno and the Orokin empire already fell, Stalker Prime doesn’t exist

Just saying

[tall echo]

Sorren was turned into a frame when the empire still existed

[humble sierra]

Stalker Prime would be a pretty sick evolution after Protector Stalker

[normal mountain]

Once had an idea for Stalker Prime, actually
Back before Jade Shadows, when I was annoyed by Shadow Stalker's abilities (nothing stealthy about that guy)

Stalker Prime would basically be a return to Stalker's original kit, with some stat buffs to reflect Prime status
And he would drop relics for Dread Prime, Despair Prime, and Hate Prime (probably guaranteed drop of one relic, I didn't get that far)

I sorta dropped the idea when Protector Stalker came around, because my main goal with Stalker Prime had been reached
He got his original abilities back

[silk atlas]

I think leaving it at Protector is better.

[burnt locust]

Does the Prot Stalker even use his Jade Hate when he’s attacking players?

I haven’t gotten jumped by him enough to see if his moveset has changed at all

[glass olive]

yes

he keeps the green emissive color too

[burnt locust]

I know he’s green now, I just never knew if he used the new Hate

[normal mountain]

Yes, but iirc it doesn't do the energy waves like the last part of the quest (thank you, DE)
Just regular old Hate, probably does more damage

[glass olive]

pretty sure its regular hate skinned

[normal mountain]

I'd honestly be surprised if Protector Stalker didn't do more damage, since he's supposed to be upgraded
Can't say I've noticed, I think I have the issue of I kill him too quick

[glass olive]

ditto 😔

[burnt locust]

Most times his fanclub is a bigger threat than he is

[glass olive]

make stalker scary again

[burnt locust]

I want Stalker to show up and be an actual threat to my mission, instead of just “oh the light flickerer is back”

give me a secret Stalker superboss that I can trigger by killing every boss in the game before he shows up in mission or something

[glass olive]

fell enough bosses that he gets REALLY annoyed with having to send you death mark emails and he just pulls out tier 3 hate to smack you

[proper barn]

His protector upgrade helps a bit with that.

[stray flare]

One thing I realised looking over sanctum anatomica, necralisk and general entrati type of architecture... It obviously is different to most other orokin structures( in fact I feel there are some differences within itself between anatomica and most isolation vaults on deimos)...

My theory is: Sanctum Anathomica is build in architactual style of Lith era of orokin, vith necralisk and isolation chambers either also from lith or meso.

Meanwhile normal orokin towers, that also including Unum being an Axi era Orokin.

[tall echo]

The entrati just like to be different

[stray flare]

I previously chuckled it to that, but certain description of orbiter decorations from necralisk/sanctum anathomica points it to being quite normal styling to empire at the time of building

[dawn shoal]

which orbiter decorations/descriptions?

[tall echo]

Also I don't think the relic tiers are ever mentioned outside of the relics. How would that even work

I doubt that the old war took a few hundred to maybe a few thousand years

[proper barn]

i think it's more a family way of building things.

[dawn shoal]

i'm not sure if I'm remembering right, but wouldn't Axi be the oldest, while Lith is the newest? I can't remember what age each era was ordered in other than they progress through the four tiers from lith -> axi or inversely

[proper barn]

like how we know there where different families that made RJ parts.

[stray flare]

Honestly, I recall mainly that it striken me with the block thingy from the necralisk( don't remember the name), as well as chaise longe and sofa

[proper barn]

@stray flare also all of diemos is a Entrati family home.

so it all looking like their style makes sense.

[tall echo]

Block??

What

[stray flare]

There is decoration that sorta looks like a block that was mentioned to be used as a table or something, again, the damn thing just recorded ib my mind as "Prime Concreate Block"

[dawn shoal]

Do you mean the Kybus, from Grandmother's wares?

[stray flare]

Yes, the prime block XD

[tall echo]

[sage moat]

id like to latch onto this

do we know that these were literal biological families

because i assumed it meant families as in a family of companies or a union or something

[proper barn]

different houses but yes.

they say different orokin houses.

[tall echo]

Of course the orokin would use "houses"

[dawn shoal]

they were called Houses, like House Signa (who made weapons like the Quellor I think, plus actual ship parts) and Houses is normally a reference to noble houses, which are normally biological families. I don't recall there being anything implying they worked differently but I've missed things before lol.

[tall echo]

Sigma

[proper barn]

Like and Father is seemingly from a lower class family so he takes the Entrati house name.

[stray flare]

Also, all eras before axis are supposedly from before old war. Dunno where they foubd the info, but most I saw writen about them is that they are four eras of orokin expansion, with lith being everything before ceres, but again, am not sure where it came from as for now ._.

[dawn shoal]

ah, right. thank you XD
i have Isleweaver on the brain 😔

[proper barn]

i still think this is very intresting.

Father even calls himself a lowely solider.

[sage moat]

i see. imagine you're born into house levan and your noblemen parents say "no you HAVE to build bad parts. zetki has dibs on the good ones you'll start a trade war"

[proper barn]

isn't there a good lavan part?

[tall echo]

How does that relate to the relic tiers, which would all have to be created during the old war because they contain warframe parts

[proper barn]

plating?

i think sheilds too.

[sage moat]

i haven't played railjack as much as i'd like, i figured zetki was objectively the best at everything

[tall echo]

Lavan is either top tier plating or engines afaik

[proper barn]

not PLATING lmao.

[proper barn]

it's plating and sometimes engines

[stray flare]

Yea, also couldn't remember that, tbh. My point was that Entrati house and tech seem to be from older era than most of the orokin tech and architecutre we see across system

[proper barn]

but vidar is kinda better at the missions we have for shield .

[tall echo]

Zetki is offensives, lavan or the other defensive and utility

[proper barn]

if we ever get like wild Missions that are hard in RJ you would use lavan shields probably.

also vidar guns are better if you don't ahve the rank 9 gunnery thing

[sage moat]

i wish the dojo ones were good. like they took investment maybe but outshined them

[proper barn]

or is it 8? the R to instantly cool down.

[tall echo]

I don't memorize my rj parts but it's almost perfectly optimized

[sage moat]

there's a fantasy of building your own part like a mechanic that it just absolutely does not capitalize on

[proper barn]

they are fine for most missions that don't drop tier 3 things. Also The seeker missions from there tier 3 are the best things to go in that slot.

[sage moat]

well yeah but that's because railjack is easy

[tall echo]

...sure

[sage moat]

sadly we're probably not getting any railjack updates for a while

[tall echo]

Try doing rj missions with basic parts and no crew

[sage moat]

am i wrong? is this debated?
Maybe i just got good parts too fast but once i got a crew i never really struggled

[proper barn]

i mean She's right it is easy like anything in the game is easy. it can get a little dicy in veil void storms

but otherwise yeah.

[proper barn]

this is like saying "try doing SP with A MKR-1 GUn and a unleveled no forma Frame" come on.

be reasonable.

[sage moat]

veil void storms can get dicy yeah. especially when you have to handle side objectives solo so you either jump back and forth or precisely position yourself so your gunner can hit both radiators (which IS possible in everything i've seen it just takes practice)

[tall echo]

If I said veil, sure

I mean normal rj progression

Possible, but painful

[tall echo]

Just put one gunner on pilot

[sage moat]

yeah but then they won't man the guns when im pilotting will they?

[proper barn]

okay normal RJ progression is get tier 3 from the DOJO and then do earth. So you can unlock a single crew member get a good enginner and then your fine.

[tall echo]

Pilot can shoot

[dawn shoal]

thinking back on orokin eras and void relics, the wiki has trivia on the relics page that lists each type of relics as at least being named after the periods of time in Orokin history, but that doesn't necessarily mean that they're from those eras.

[proper barn]

They should?

[sage moat]

oh neat sure ill try that

[proper barn]

also you can just change their role any time you want if you press J @sage moat

[tall echo]

That's skipping progression

[proper barn]

i put it on TAB cuz J sucks

and put check missions on CAPS

[sage moat]

DIDNT KNOW THAT (idk what it is on controller but ill figure it out)

[proper barn]

lmao

i think i changed a lot of RJ promts cuz they suck.

[tall echo]

Should be map

[proper barn]

WAIT THIS MEANS YOU NEVER USE THE TELEPORT SYSTEM IN THE SHIP. that would have to be annoying.

[sage moat]

wait i do teleport around the ship

i didn't know you could change roles from that menu

[proper barn]

cuz you don't have to get out of a turrent

[tall echo]

I autopilot in rj so I genuinely do not remember anything

[proper barn]

To go just to the like forge you can just TP there.

also i need to use the like extra abilties there lmao.

[sage moat]

i do think railjack deserves an update i just don't see it happening soon if at all cause its not a super popular game mode

[proper barn]

i think

we might get a infested RJ update at some point.

[tall echo]

Frozen take: rj is only unpopular because of its rough launch

[proper barn]

When we get a Infested ship tileset update.

[sage moat]

posisbly! infested railjack would be cool. weird the trinity isn't completed in railjack yet but sentients are in

[tall echo]

Game communities like to forget that things can get improved and end up parroting outdated opinions from other players

[proper barn]

Yes

Not just about rj

[tall echo]

Rj is one of the strongest examples

But yes

[sage moat]

speaking of, archwing rework? please?
Give archwing
A.) a use
B.) abilities that don't suck

[tall echo]

They took away one of the uses of archwing with the free roam fast travel points

[sage moat]

and even then that wasn't really a use for archwing

[tall echo]

Also the support archwing is like incredibly good

[sage moat]

that was a use for speed. none of the archwing abilities except itzal's multiblink were like, useful. you just needed a way to go fast

[sage moat]

i have heard that yeah. it just Has Mesmer Skin and A Status Cleanse

[tall echo]

It can trivialize thermia fractures with one ability

Very useful for that tedious event

-# I still need to suffer through it for that opticor vandal and the mods

[sage moat]

im not doing all that for sidegrades

serration and barrel diffusion are fine on their own

[proper barn]

It has the organ shatter that is good.

But that's like it lmao.

[silk atlas]

Organ Shatter is really strong

Isn't that one the last one you get?

[scenic depot]

dpes the scyotid having thumbs have anything to do with wally or am I overanalyzing

[lean garden]

overanalyzing

[scenic depot]

no thats a thumb

[lean garden]

pray tell me what thumb is on the bottom side of the hand

and for that matter on both sides

[scenic depot]

ok but it's VERY thumb shaped

[lean garden]

its also connected to the other by a bar for gripping

so like, its even less of a thumb

[scenic depot]

right but an incomprehensible horror might have two thumbs there

[lean garden]

have you seen wally's hands?

he has single thumb per hand, he just has multiple hands

[scenic depot]

i don't think that's his true form

[lean garden]

Not to mention, oraxia isnt made by wally

[scenic depot]

just a form he's taking

[lean garden]

so like scyotid's design has no influence from wally

[lean garden]

ok, and yet none of the forms he's shown has two thumbs per hand

[modern steppe]

two thumbs in each hand would be fitting but his wall form already has enough thumbs

besides I don't think the weapon is influenced by the void at all...

[proper barn]

I don't like the idea of true form for a eldrich horror.

Or even a shape shifter character.

[valid bear]

u guys think we are gone get tau

[stark arrow]

In 2030, yeah

[valid bear]

WHAT

[graceful swan]

Unless DE were lying no we aren't

[valid bear]

😩

BUT THE SUN THING THEN

THE HOLE IN THE SUN

[graceful swan]

The Sun is in the Origin System

[valid bear]

yh ik ik ofc. But what about it

😔 no tau

[modern steppe]

it's too vague to reasonably assume it's Tau

[valid bear]

true, ig we must wait and see

[modern steppe]

there's not a lot recently that would make "sun with random hole in it" somehow mean "we're going to Tau"

it's quite literally just "sun with random hole in it" until we get news on Tennocon

so just wait and see

[valid bear]

😔

my worst enemy, waiting

[tall echo]

Patience is power

[valid bear]

😕

[strange turtle]

We probably will go at some point, just because they’ve teased it so much with Albrecht and KIM, and it’s not like game devs lying to try make things more impactful is unheard of, but no shot we get it this soon

[modern steppe]

definitely not in the near future considering the statement sent earlier was as early as the update for 99

[strange turtle]

and it’s not like game devs lying to try make things more impactful is unheard of

[modern steppe]

and considering development times, at best it's likely a year or 2 before we get actual Tau content if we're being hopeful

[strange turtle]

A convo with Lettie literally says “we’ll follow Albrecht there, if that’s where he is”, and his VA confirmed he’s not in Duviri or Origin.

But yeah, a few years at least before we actually get to that point, like you said

[graceful swan]

Showing the Sun could literally be a Sentient attacking the Sun or something similar

[strange turtle]

More Praghasa/Narmer 🙏

[humble sierra]

Bro I'm in a theatre right now for Superman, watching the ad for Project Hail Mary.

A bunch of stars including ours are dying, infected by their neighbors, so they send Ryan Gosling (a scientist) to the only star that isn't dying

Tau Ceti

And he finds a robotic looking alien

https://youtu.be/m08TxIsFTRI?feature=shared

[river tangle]

praghasa is still attached to the sun?

[pearl stratus]

So there a new teaser on YouTube

[north jolt]

I thought about something minor. So we know the warframes themselves can die, like with the Archons possessing dead warframes, the Erra quest showing a dead Nova Prime, various other frames like Yareli, Gara, (technically) Revenant etc. But for as rare of an occurrence as this probably was, do you think the Orokin had any kind of retrieval program or operation for frames slain in battle? because even if they aren't really fully functional without a Tenno that's still potentially pretty dangerous technology to just leave behind for the sentients to possibly get a hold of and reverse engineer or something to make their own equivalent (kinda already happened with Caliban right?), plus Im sure the "materials" could be recycled and reused in some way

[north jolt]

Ryan Goslin becomes a tenno!?

[fresh sail]

So

DE's YT channel just released something....

[strange turtle]

Is it the vid that was posted in announcements

[graceful swan]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UmOIjqyk1l4

[fresh sail]

People are either overanalyzing.... or we're going to Tau
Middle grounds don't exist lol

....DE doesn't have a history of trolling, perchance?

[sly pagoda]

I mean forelorn shores and the quote at the end is related to the Zariman creed. A dead Mag makes one draw connection to the Mag Prime codex

https://wiki.warframe.com/w/Mag/Prime

[fresh sail]

Either way, it'll be interesting
They do seem to be building up to something big at least

Is there any comparison to be drawn with things DE has released before maybe?
Like, the next update being this arc's "The Sacrifice" or "Second Dream" vs being this arc's "New War"

[north jolt]

Not to the extent of straight up misleading where the story is heading

[fresh sail]

Does such a system of measurement make any sense

[north jolt]

But I dont really know HOW the thing in question is meant to be interpreted cause there's the reference to Lotus's dialogue during the ropalopadopalyst fight, but then we see the Mag Prime covered in dirt and ash lying dead on the ground which makes me think of the Wally and Duviri stuff currently going on

[fresh sail]

Tbh, I still don't see how people think the plot is heading to Tau at all tbh
We, the MC, do not currently have a strong reason to go there
Albrecht wants to go because he's running away from Wally, the problem he created

[graceful swan]

The mag on the floor is a reference to Mag that went to Tau

[north jolt]

Also the lyrics to the song are interesting

[fresh sail]

But why would we chase him down? The MC is essentially his opposite, we have resolved to stand against him, in direct contrast to Albrecht

[north jolt]

Like seeing Mag lying dead next to a Lotus flower on some unknown planet while a song basically about space travel is playing, I can see why people are jumping towards Tau

And also something bad happening to the Lotus maybe

[fresh sail]

Didn't she say she was at risk of being "infected" by the Indifference?

Maybe THAT'S our reason
Maybe she gets spooked and runs to Tau lol

The Operator/Drifter will always go running after Mum, this we know

[north jolt]

Being tempted by the void to hand us over

End of Whispers quest shows Wally picking apart a Lotus flower while talking about broken deals

New teaser/trailer thing shows a dead warframe lying next to a Lotus flower

The game has been dropping a lot of not so subtle hints that something is going to happen to space mom. Not sure what exactly, but something bad most likely

[north jolt]

Its possible, but space mom running away/betraying us just feels so overplayed at this point its not even funny ok its a little funny but still

[lofty rune]

the song gives me strong vibes of that little rhyme associated with the zariman

[sly pagoda]

I give my life to carry
The sacred light of our dominion
Into the deepest dark
In this... we are one```

[north jolt]

Yeah I think the song is definitely from the Orokin POV of wanting to basically coloninze as much of space as possible

[lofty rune]

Cast and cry, cast and cry
Raise the million pylons high
All our kin were bound to fly
To that far shore, forlorn
Onward hie, onward hie
Who but we may tame the sky?
Who but we shall list and die
On that far shore, forlorn?

[sly pagoda]

that sounds like like the Sentients

[north jolt]

Like on one hand, I know DE is not just going to outright off a major character like the freaking Lotus (especially since the literal CEO of DE voices her) but on the other hand, that would be pretty freaking nuts if they did do that AND would definitely be a strong motivation to fight back against Wally (not that we're lacking plenty of that anyways, but)

[lofty rune]

We shall not fear to take the leap, across the gulf to fare. Though all betwixt is dark and deep, a home awaits us there.
☝️ the zariman's rhyme, for comparison

[north jolt]

In that case I think it actually strengthens the idea of us going to Tau in the near future

[fresh sail]

It makes me wonder of anything might finally come if the whole drinking the Kuva thing
I know the alignment system is part of the many antiquated systems of Warframe, but iirc it's implied that drinking it is what made us aware of Wally's whispers in the first place

[north jolt]

It would be nice if that actually becomes a relevant lore/plot detail again

Cause even with the Kuva Liches all we've really seen come of it is "Grineer but actually a viable threat to Tenno"

[lofty rune]

oh now i remember where that ending quote is from

it was the pledge the operator recited back on the zariman before lessons: "By the glory and wisdom of the Seven I give my life to carry the sacred light of our dominion into the deepest dark. In this, we are one."

[fresh sail]

If Orokin used Kuva to slide into bodies, maybe Wally can do the same I dunno

[fresh sail]

That's actually a pretty masterful way of interpreting all of those actually

[north jolt]

Really? I thought it was pretty on the nose tbh. Not in a bad way just

[fresh sail]

It might be. I do agree, but
You're the first one I've heard put it like that

[proper barn]

I just woke up

[fresh sail]

Like no offense but everyone else is kinda just screaming "Tau! We're going to Tau!" like a troupe of baboons

[proper barn]

Does that trailer have the mag prime from the mag prime codex?

[eager dragon]

High chance

[eager dragon]

To be honest both are likely

[north jolt]

Hold up, my almonds are activating. So not only have we seen pretty obvious allusions of Wally targeting the Lotus right? but what else have we also seen even in that very same scene I mentioned with Wally picking apart the flower?

A near perfect doppelganger of Albrecht, which thanks to the Oraxia fight we KNOW he still uses for his own means of deception (tricking Oraxia into doing his bidding as a obvious example) and we know he's not limited to JUST mimicking Albrecht, but practically anyone he has come into contact with...

[eager dragon]

I honestly interpreted that doppelganger as a literal second persona of Wally - as in, Wally and Wallbrecht are kinda like different personalities of this entity.

[fresh sail]

Tbh I always found it strange that the mail you get from your 1999 partner says "don't be late"
Isn't that Smiley!Albrecht's catchphrase? Why would your Hex person say such a thing

[lofty rune]

what mail

[real shard]

The end of year kiss mail?

[north jolt]

Personally I think Wally can just mimick people he's come into contact with as he sees fit, like us or Albrecht or whoever (tho your interpretation can also be valid ) and like we hear during the Oraxia fight we know Wally is still using the Albrecht clone directly to trick others for his own means. So it like a literal tool at his disposal

[fresh sail]

Yee

[lofty rune]

oh

[fresh sail]

I didn't wanna refer to it like that for some reason

[lofty rune]

🤔 i have three of them and only amir's makes any mention of being there at midnight

[real shard]

Thought "Albrecht" always mention us being late no?
-# imagine him dealing with those trains in Europe LMFAO

[fresh sail]

I mean the cutscene you refer to is the first time we see two of his personas in one place

[eager dragon]

Oh, the fact he can mimic anyone is for sure. I'm just not sure how... unified they are. Like, og Albrecht would think completely differently than Operator, so what if that affects Wally? What if the Void, and the Indifference, are actually several semi-connected entities that have a "main" form?

Kinda far-fetched, I know

But it would be a hella twist

[north jolt]

My headcanon is they are basically drones that act out his will. The clones don't really have any will of their own IMO

[real shard]

Speaking of that

Has anyone got that secret message after gathering all those isleweaver fragments?

[eager dragon]

Yeah, why?

[real shard]

Also the KIM chat with Velimir and Minerva?

[eager dragon]

Yep, after the fix

[north jolt]

I haven't gathered them all yet

[real shard]

This makes me wonder... is Neci really that empty husk puppet of Wally, or does she still has little bits of her own conscious left?

||Cuz that's also what Minerva is hoping for, but ofc they have also expect for the worst to happen||

[eager dragon]

Honestly? I think she in the deal willingly. Wallci just has too much personality to be just the Indifference

[real shard]

I agree

Think there are bits of Neci in Wallci

[real shard]

Also have you found ||her throne and those three dead bodies?||

[eager dragon]

No, but I've seen them on Reddit

Rather interesting.

[real shard]

Ah, just type ||"isleweaver three bodies"|| on yt, and you will find some useful guide there

Worth checking them out

[eager dragon]

Yep. I've seen Loid, but haven't really bothered with the rest. I'll definitely check when the final tier of the signa comes out. (I'm too bored of Isleweiver currently)

[real shard]

And I guess you know where the throne is. Well, it's not that challenging to find

But I still haven't found that office chair lolol

[eager dragon]

Ah, yes, the office chair. The One that delayed Techrot Encour. Void I love it.

[north jolt]

Personally I think there's still a little bit of Neci left. Least to me the dialogue implies something is left of her, but is being tricked/manipulated by Wally without even knowing it

[heavy wharf]

WAIT so if anyone remembers a conversation about Rusalka's voice lines in here a few days ago about the "two raised in different environments etc" and with the Zariman pledge singing video (which I'm assuming isn't the Drifter/Operator singing) could there be another Void child out there? Raised to support the void? Maybe? Anyways that's a lot of yap

[eager dragon]

Considering what she said of her arm, how Wally appeared when she was dying? I think she realises everything, and chooses to side with him.

[real shard]

She also mention about her body being stolen, no? That's the line that got me thinking

[eager dragon]

Interesting. I... doubt that, I don't think DE would go to Drifter 2.0.

[real shard]

Zariman pledge singing video? is that some sort of relic from the Zariman RPG? Or am I tripping?

[eager dragon]

Wasn't it about parts? "A finger. A hand. A face."

[north jolt]

Or that too. I just don't think she realizes the full extent to which she's being manipulated. Like she thinks Duviri is actually being given to her, but really Wally is just using her as a proxy through which to take it over

Kind of like a foreign government setting up a puppet regime in another country through which to enact their own political will while giving the illusion of national autonomy

[eager dragon]

The new " Our History is Smoke" video

[real shard]

But for "two raised in different environment," I think it's just about the operator and drifter

[heavy wharf]

To be completely honest, I have no idea what the Zariman pledge is but a comment said it was in the song and I never fact check
https://youtu.be/UmOIjqyk1l4?si=bj_hms6qb9J0n9cK

[lofty rune]

it's not the song itself, it's the quote at the end

[eager dragon]

The pledge is the last quote. The song just sounds alot like something that would be said on the Zariman.

Or the Sentients

[heavy wharf]

I just got hype in my blood right now and my brain barely functions when I'm normal

[eager dragon]

Oh, I feel that. I listened to this song on loop for like, 30 minutes straight it got me so exited.

[lofty rune]

before the lesson about temporal axioms the kids in the class recite a pledge - the full version is By the glory and wisdom of the Seven I give my life to carry the sacred light of our dominion into the deepest dark. In this, we are one.
the quote at the end of the video shortens it to We swore to carry the sacred light of our dominion into the deepest dark.

(also the title/description is a quote from natah's monologue in the beginning of the ropalolyst mission)

[real shard]

The first quote, to be exact

[lofty rune]

yep

[real shard]

Well, looks like Vey Hek got his dream come true lolol

Since we are going to the sun for the next update (I guess, but the hints are hella obvious)

[heavy wharf]

I really need to replay all the quests in order once I have the time

[proper barn]

It also might be the mag from the mag prime Codex.

[eager dragon]

Honestly considering the rest of the context, I'm 99% sure it's the Mag from the codex that went to Tau.

[real shard]

But that lotus flower... it's from the Awakening quest

[eager dragon]

My first thought was actually the flower from Saya's Visage 💀.

[lofty rune]

or the flower wally crushes at the end of whispers in the walls

[real shard]

That to

[woven coyote]

Or the one from whispers

[eager dragon]

The problem is that none of those have stems - unless it's an illusion this one looks like it has. I don't know, maybe I'm overthinking it.

[lofty rune]

oh, it definitely has a stem, i just don't know if it having one precludes it from being a callback to the others

if you want to make it super messed up, with the way the flower is positioned relative to mag prime's hand, she might have had the flower in her hand when she died :)

[eager dragon]

Imagine if they permantly kill of the Lotus

'Cause there have been alot of red flags, but they aren't going to do the temporary thing like in Apostasy Prologue again (would be rather lame)

[dense nest]

ordis will replace her again

[real shard]

That's would've been too much methink

[lean garden]

I will note that its not actually the zariman pledge but it sounds like what the sentients would have based off the zarimans pledge

[eager dragon]

It's a shortened version.

[lofty rune]

the quote at the end of the video is a shortened version of the pledge the zariman students recited in the new war

[lean garden]

its not even a shorter version, the words are different but of the same cloth

We shall not fear to take the leap Across the gulf to fare though all betwixt is dark and deep, a home awaits us there

the word dominion isnt in the zariman version

[eager dragon]

By the glory and wisdom of the Seven I give my life to carry the sacred light of our dominion into the deepest dark. In this, we are one.

[lofty rune]

to copy my message from about thirty minutes ago and two clicks of the scroll wheel:
before the lesson about temporal axioms the kids in the class recite a pledge - the full version is By the glory and wisdom of the Seven I give my life to carry the sacred light of our dominion into the deepest dark. In this, we are one.
the quote at the end of the video shortens it to We swore to carry the sacred light of our dominion into the deepest dark.

[lean garden]

i take it back Im looking at the wrong pledge lol

[stray hazel]

Tell me it's Tau without saying it's Tau

[lean garden]

oof, it would be quite the shocker

BUT its unlikely, people already paid plat for lotus skins. theres literal money in it

[plucky verge]

Hi I have a question

What is the tau system

[lean garden]

wait till the end of the video too

[stray hazel]

Irl: A binary star system a few light-years away from earth

[lean garden]

the system the orokin wanted to colonise but failed on repeated counts

its where all the sentients are in all their glory

[plucky verge]

And they sent the zariman ship ten-0 and failed

[lean garden]

and after that they sent the sentients, and then technically critically failed so hard their empire collapsed

[plucky verge]

Ohhh I understand now Tyy

Oh and another question

[stray hazel]

The sentients went before the zariman. They were supposed to terraform it so it could be settled

[plucky verge]

How is umbra walking without the Tenno ?

Like what’s his story exactly

I didn’t understand it

[lean garden]

no other way around

[lean garden]

sentients came after

sentients managed to build the extra-solar rail. thered be no point to using the zariman as it was used if the rail was built

[lean garden]

umbra is a specifically tailored torture method for the dax that tried to expose ballas

[plucky verge]

Expose ballas about what

[lean garden]

as such he was given a semblance of his autonomy, all so his "maddened" state would cause him to kill his son

[lean garden]

ballas was ratting out warframe secrets to the sentients

[plucky verge]

Oh so he brainwashed him by anger

[plucky verge]

Didn’t ballas create warframes why would he give the secrets to the scientists

[stray hazel]

Then why is this question on one of the tablets in duviri? (which presumably used to be in a classroom on the zariman)

[plucky verge]

Also didn’t ballas use the Dax to put In warframes after the original warframes were destroyed ?

[woven coyote]

If the solar rail was built by sentients already why do you need the zariman?

[lean garden]

check out what tuvul says to the zariman crew. He tells them that those who come after can enjoy the rail.

if the sentients came first why only those after the zariman can use the rail?

[hushed bison]

i think the zariman incident happened before the solar rail was built? Probably am wrong tho

[lean garden]

no youre right there

[stray hazel]

"constructing"
The solar rail wasn't finished yet, and they were sending the zariman before it was finished. Either the orokin wanted the zariman colonists to get there early, or they planned to sabotage the zariman intentionally as an experiment or something and it was never really meant to make it to Tau. But that's speculation on my part.

[eager dragon]

I could have sworn that the Sentients came first. Would be rather pointless to arrive in a System withought habitable planets

Which is why the Sentients were sent, to terraform it

[restive river]

The Zariman went first
Incident happened
Orokin turned to the sentients
Sentients terraform it, want it
Old War

[eager dragon]

But what's the point of sending the Zariman if it's not terraformed?

[restive river]

The sentients def came after
The Zariman would’ve had ways to make Tau habitable

[restive river]

So they can terraform it??

[silk atlas]

The Zariman came with terraforming gear and farms on it anyway.

[lean garden]

check out the parallax, it was made to source out resources

thats why it comes with the orokin eye air support

The Parallax was designed for Zariman interplanetary research. It can deploy the advanced Orokin Eye air support, which would have allowed colonizers to study areas rich in rare resources before landing.

[woven coyote]

Also we know of only two ventures into the tau system
Zariman and sentients
The sentient creation log conveniently remarks about other failed colonization attempts

[lean garden]

and like the Zarimans 1-9

[eager dragon]

Hmm, interesting

[woven coyote]

Very outlandish headcannon with nothing to back it
Zariman 10-0
10 being the origin system fully built and developed
0 being tau yet to be developed

[lean garden]

inb4 we go to tau and the node is the Zariman 0-10

[woven coyote]

Lol

[restive river]

why not the Zariman 11-0

[woven coyote]

Zariman 5-0
Because keith powers also made the soundtrack for hawaii 5-0

[eager dragon]

A new warframe called the onten

[lean garden]

the first warframe with a 5th ability, what does it do? instagibs your operator for no reason

[restive river]

Unten

[eager dragon]

That reminds me, anyone think we'll get anything for the Unum?

Kinda just... there, since the New War & Koumei

[lean garden]

one day

-# PLEASE DE

[woven coyote]

Laughed a whole afternoon when i found this on youtube music

[restive river]

We are getting a U frame…

[restive river]

UNUMFRAME :O
Gara’s girlfriend gets a body!

[normal mountain]

If Koumei Prime gets a trailer, we might get a Unum mention

[woven coyote]

....uname?
Unume? Ununununu?

[eager dragon]

But that's like, in 4 years 😭

[restive river]

https://tenor.com/view/regirock-un-un-un-locket-regirock-locket-un-gif-26271978

[woven coyote]

"That woman stole my achievement and ballas laughed it off"

I still maintain that koumei was never the fate changer and that she just happened to be around when the unum did something

[normal mountain]

frankly, tower lady, that's your fault for keeping your predictions to yourself and your Quills

[restive river]

Why didn’t she stop her gf from exploding smh

[sly pagoda]

I guess we have to wait for next week to find out is it Tau or are these hints just pursuit of undomesticated water fowl. 😉

One thing I am potentially confident on, New music track is coming

[carmine vine]

I just know I’m going to cry when I play. The track was so short, but my heart is uwuing.

[lean garden]

this better be the next we all lift lol

[valid bear]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UmOIjqyk1l4

TAU

[tall echo]

Not confirmed but possible

[valid bear]

this made me so excited

[dusk temple]

Okay, but my question is what Warframe is that? It’s obviously a new prime, but which one? It could be equinox but I don’t know if they have a primed variant.

[lean garden]

eh?

thats a mag prime

[dusk temple]

It is?

[lean garden]

and equinox prime has been around for years

[dusk temple]

Okay, so I’m just horrid at remembering warframes.

[hexed shore]

ugh, weren't we told Tau wouldn't be for a few years pretty recently?

[lean garden]

we were told like a year or two back that Tau wasnt the next thing

and then in 1999 instead of saying "yes no plans for tau" they answered the second half of the question

[dusk temple]

We’re probably going to get either a brief look at Tau or some information on where Entrati ran off to after 1999 during TennoCon

[sly pagoda]

Mag Prime is why people think its Tau, Her Codex entry mentions a mission there with zero tech soldiers.

[lean garden]

A doomed mission too

[sly pagoda]

yeah the random soldier and the Mag made a last stand

We sat strapped in, safeties off, waiting for the punch. Waiting for death. Through my filthy porthole I saw stars among the outlines of the other Splinter ships queuing for the Solar Rail. It would soon grip us with an incomprehensible power and cast us through the void into the mouth of our enemy.

I watched the ships one-by-one bending and gone. Each crammed with zero-tech soldiers sucking stale air, white knuckling their percussion rifles. Each filled with a desperation that comes from extinction. Our ship would be the last to cross the gap. Our ship had special cargo.

It was essentially empty. Just ten men, like me, strapped in with the best zero-tech suits and weapons the empire could build... and "it". "It" stood in the aisle, a slender and eyeless metal form. A Tenno inside its Warframe. Vaguely human, vaguely feminine. Was this armor or some ornate carapace for the monster that lived inside? I strained against the harness as the ship yawed for final approach. I could see the Tenno standing there freely. Solemn and gold-gleaming, oblivious to the inertial force.

I had been, until then, a Tenno denier. They were ghosts, propaganda, twisted casualties of the void era. Not possibly real. Yet here it was in the flesh. The Empire, in their desperation, was going to turn the demons loose and hope for the best. Who did we fear more, the enemy or this monster? We had our safeties off, could we trust it? Then it didn't matter anymore. The punch came - and our windows became blinding. When we could see again our ship was somewhere else, shattered and dead in an instant.

My lungs were flattened, eyes full of death. Ship debris glittered like a night snow. The alien blue star was dark and blinding beyond us. The countless articulating worm-ships of our enemy, ringed in glowing discs, undulating and heat-bursting the surviving soldiers like me. This is where I died. I was in R-disc, sweeping over my right and setting my blood on fire. My vision flattened, the hearing muffled and buzzed. I could feel the side of my face going slack and wet.

I was in a dying dream. I saw a bright spot blurring and weaving toward me. I felt a tug toward it from the metal clasps on my suit. It reached me, rising up - a gleaming beast, a plume of golden wings rising and unfolding behind it. An angel. It snatched me from my death. I could feel my lungs fill as it wrapped me in its wings. Its Void Shield shimmered blue, strained under the enemy beams. I felt a suddenly tug of acceleration. I closed my eyes and held on it like a child.

I awoke on the floor, the sting of crisping flesh on my face and side. It was standing over me, the wings gone. I heard the cracking of weapons echoing down the corridor. Maybe the mission would be saved, but I was dying and so I waved my hand to send it away. I felt a pistol thrust in my hand as I was heaved to my feet. The angel had saved me, pulled me from hell, but it would not pity me. I was to die on my feet, by its side. I turned my good side toward the gunfire and raised the gun. It nodded, its outstretched metal hand surging and pulsing in ancient shapes as blue shimmered around me. It turned, drawing its blade and together we surged headlong into the hailstorm of death and fire that awaited us.```

[tribal cape]

There are more clues pointing to Tau. Video's title is a quote from Natah from Ropalolyst fight. Text in the video relates to Zariman pledge

[sage moat]

What's the breakdown so far on that teaser?

so this is definitely about sentients,
Ropalolyst natah quote for one

but for two, those lyrics
"Cast and cry, cast and cry
Raise a million pylons high
All our kin were bound to fly
for that far shore forlorn"

to me this reads as a lament from the sentients about their newfound infertility, looking back at their history as they were "bound to fly" to tau

[stiff fable]

The breakdown is "it's Tau"

[sage moat]

i feel like im the last bastion of sanity against the tau believers there is no shot its tau

[stiff fable]

They're not talking about losing fertility, they're saying goodbye to the ones who left

[sage moat]

what does "cast and cry" mean here?

and what does "tame the sky" mean?

[proven ridge]

terraforming

[sage moat]

that tracks

[proven ridge]

idk

[sage moat]

yeah you're 100% correct here

[stiff fable]

hence why it's Tau

[sage moat]

its gotta be tau and that saddens me because ive spent the entire buildup to tennocon going "tau believers are so insane its funny"

when the first trailer dropped i was like "yall got legs to stand on now, but its still not tau" and now with the sentients' lament and the hole in the sun and mag prime i. i can't reasonably even argue against it anymore

[viscid aspen]

Tau copium bros keep winning

[sage moat]

at this point its more likely to be that rebecca was just lying when she deconfirmed it for a bigger reveal than it is that tau isn't real

[viscid aspen]

https://tenor.com/view/holt-vindication-b99-gif-12064861

[proven ridge]

if you refer to the picture they sent on twitter, it might actually just be a sunspot

a really large one

[sage moat]

that feels like its just leading us on then, right? like that's just mean

[humble sierra]

We got a look at 1999 back in mid 2023, but didn't get the actual update until dec 2024

[stiff fable]

Yeah no hole in the sun

[sullen ferry]

Modular archwing or Solar rails ? If it's not Tau....

[humble sierra]

So even if we have a look at Tau at Tennocon, it might be a while besides many teasers that we get it in game

That being said, next time I see Rebecca I will ask her and if she displeases me I will be upset

(She values my opinion trust me)

[proven ridge]

i forgot that was a thing

modular what ?

[lean garden]

hell, they might finally be back on track with how they used to run tenno con

[stiff fable]

They said that modular archwings were cancelled last year

[lean garden]

where they gave us like a look at the next 3 years of warframe

where they showed of Railjack, duviri and a smidgen of The New War

and then covid hit lol

[stiff fable]

They did say they're not going to do previews that far in advance anymore

[lean garden]

fair enough, they did get done dirty by covid the very moment they did something like that

[sage moat]

let this be my official statement of apology to the tau believers

[proven ridge]

I've been a tau believer since the new war so it better happen during THIS TENNOCON

[sage moat]

i absolutely think hunhow is gonna be a major major major part of this btw

i think that's what jade shadows was leading up to. getting hunhow alone so stalker and him are seperated, therefore allowing them to both do their own plotlines

[stiff fable]

Iirc the explanation is that because they were listing stuff so far in advance they were putting unnecessary pressure on their teams and staff to hit those dates

[sage moat]

my original theory was that the plot would be a one-way ticket being found to tau and we have to help hunhow and his sentients use it instead of pazuul

and we never go there because its a one-way ticket

[strange plinth]

i've been saying that tau won't be soon, that there will be something else that this is leading to
but its pretty much looking like tau will be the big reveal
which kinda makes me wonder if wally's being put on the backburner a little bit or if he's just going to follow us/albrecht to tau
or we're following him, whichever
"Tau is in sight"

[hexed oxide]

Tau has to be the new new war

[sage moat]

the newer war

[strange plinth]

followed by the newest war

[lean garden]

I think that any venture to Tau will be because of Albrecht-Wally Shenanigans

[humble sierra]

The not-that-new-but-still-newer-than-the-new-war war

[hexed oxide]

Like, make it a perilous journey instead of a 7 hour war thing

[lean garden]

Albrecht is already there, and once we boot wally from Duviri, he's going to be freed up to go after Albrecht again

[hexed oxide]

Imagine they use the zariman which is now prepared to do the jump, somehow something goes wrong and a void orowyrm just tears through it and leaves you stranded halfway through lol

[sage moat]

honestly i don't think its too out of the question to think the next Big Plot Conclusion like TNW is going to be revealed. max we got what? 3 or 4 years max before we get it if we're being cynical? i could see it just happening right now but we're pretty early all things considered

[sage moat]

and then the third arc is dealing with the massive amounts of void that spilled into the origin system by unplugging the zariman, could work

i think in general people when speculating have an issue of assuming old plot threads getting reused into new ones instead of brand new stuff. like that worked with the zariman but who could've thought of time travel and protoframes before we got WitW

[hexed oxide]

Then kaya comes to the rescue because she figured out void travel shortly after figuring out time travel but probably not since DE will give her the same role umbra had during tnw

[humble sierra]

Tbf it took what, 5-6 years for the story to have an epic conclusion with New War after The Second Dream?

Almost been that long since The new war

[sage moat]

and think about how much was actually setting up the new war and not just setting up the story at large

chains of harrow, then apostasy prologue right? then sacrifice, then the 3 short quests, then boom we got the new war

[stiff fable]

Technically the operations were part of it too

Scarlet Spear and Orphix Venom

Plus Ropapolyst

They really should have made SS part of Prelude to War properly

[sly pagoda]

I wonder if this is connected from Isleweaver

||There was both a Lunar and Total solar eclipse in RL 1999||

[lean garden]

well yea, this is triggered by isleweaver

[stiff fable]

Has nothing to do with the actual solar eclipse