lore-discussion

[sage moat]

https://tenor.com/view/yubel-hug-yugioh-yugioh-gx-anime-gif-16748385

[restive river]

Or his showing of love is turning something to dust

[sage moat]

^tenno does this and everything is fixed

[dire mountain]

Wait the closest thing to a metal gear we've fought is the tank amd that was introduced when the drifter, in fact, had love bloom

[restive river]

“We steven universed it guys” -someone who’s never seen steven universe and oversimplified the ending of the arc, probably

[feral cape]

Treat him with a hive showing of love

[feral cape]

I've seen clips of Steven universe and thats it

[sage moat]

whether or not our tenno forgives wally i do think wally will end up being reformed in a minor way. not some massive prince zuko style but rather maybe just hiding away in the void or something. showing he's regretful without outright making him an ally

[restive river]

It’s a good show :)
watch it if you ever have the time

First season is
Not great for a good bit

[feral cape]

Maybe in the future

The show itself is fine other stuff unrelated to it is the problem

[sage moat]

the thing with the murmur is like.
what is a satisfying ending to the void war where the murmur continuing to attack the sanctum makes sense?

is there one? because for the murmur to still be attacking wally has to
A. be alive
B. be evil still
and if these are both true, then the void war arc is not resolved well!

[glacial bough]

Not really. Warframe hasn't really been beholden to that kind of scale. Wally is an overarching antagonistic but we are wanting for other villains and threats

[strange plinth]

first thought (that probably isn't going to happen and i don't personally want): wally is "defeated" in some way that leaves the murmur mindless, continuing to do whatever they were last doing, forming and reforming endlessly as they're defeated

[glacial bough]

I mean, I'm fully certain we're not gonna ally or forgive Wally at all

[feral cape]

Also like if the villain brings a different type of threat its also fine

[sage moat]

now my reading of warframe and wally does paint him in a very particular light. if he is more meant to singularly represent indifference rather than being a character in his own right who has succumbed to indifference, than him just being weakened like his finger being permanently destroyed is... fine

[glacial bough]

Indifference is a bit of a misnomer at this point

[sage moat]

for a decent bit the only reason ballas was a threat was because he kidnapped the lotus. we didn't know he had an army or anything. sometimes the story can just deal with personal stakes

[glacial bough]

He never really has ever been, he's always had a vested want in keeping things interesting

[sage moat]

he represents indifference as in detachment, not lack of emotion

he isn't attached to anyone or anything that doesn't directly concern him. he doesn't care about the solaris. he doesn't care about the average person. he cares about albrecht cause he stole his finger and he cares about you cause you owe him. this contrasts with the operator and drifter whose powers derive from the connections they make and their empathy

[proper barn]

why are you HERE YUBEL

WHAT ARE YOU DOING HERE

[hollow pulsar]

Doing a super-poly, obviously 😂

[hybrid silo]

Are there any information to suggest what year warframe is set on? Not 1999

[graceful swan]

At least 11k years after 1999

[south kettle]

I really hope they just don't make wally a normal villain in the end, i don't like how indifference rustalka talks in isleweaver, it takes so much charme from the good mysterious antagonistic force in and feels like they slowly try to turn him into our usual "har har, i am evil" kind of villain

[lean garden]

"good"?

[south kettle]

good storywise, not morality wise

[lean garden]

honestly nothing much from isleweaver cant already be sieved from prior wally content

a good chunk of the whole entropy-nothing bit can already be secured from bird 3

and needless to say all the very not nice things he's done so far

[south kettle]

oh not saying that we got much new informations out of isleweaver, honestly atleast so far it seems really lackluster storywise, but isleweaver wally feels idk how to describe it, less indifferent? hope they account it to rusalkas personality, because if that whiny ranting is from wally himself i feel sad with the direction they are taking him

[feral cape]

Guh

[lean garden]

i mean wally is effectively piloting rusalka, so almost everything she's been saying comes from him

and we know he's been itchy about the finger for a very long while

[south kettle]

is there even something to gain in duviri for his finger?
Atleast if, then i missed it before

[feral cape]

Albrecht hid how to find the finger in really tall grass on wallys lawn because wally can't afford a lawnmower

[brittle siren]

I think Wally is trying to find the finger and remove Zariman after successful invade Duviri to open the giant void rift again

[austere blaze]

why we helping thrax

[humble sierra]

Because he's being victimized by MITW as well

[austere blaze]

MITW is the enemies in the hollvania I assume

[graceful swan]

No

[austere blaze]

oh the man in the wall

[graceful swan]

Yes

[ashen pulsar]

That’s techrot and scaldra

[austere blaze]

so how would thrax being eliminated by MITW negatively affect the tenno?

[brittle siren]

um no, Wally dont care about Thrax, he only want Duviri so he can rip out the Zariman from blocking the void rift

[austere blaze]

oh so we're to prevent the void rift

thanks for explaining

[lean garden]

what?

[lean garden]

no its more like wally's invaded what is dear to us and is threatening to thwack things upside down

[brittle siren]

You know that even before this his void angel is already did the same thing though

[lean garden]

the void angels arent in duviri?

[brittle siren]

So this is just a small excuse to the grand-er scheme

[brittle siren]

No I mean the Zariman is a plug and Wally want to remove it

Also Tenshin mention void angel in Circuit

So they could come there if Drifter do nothing

[lean garden]

and none of this actually makes an actual link to why wally has invaded duviri in a stronger measure than before

[brittle siren]

Duviri connect to that plug so it make more sense that he want to attack both side of Zariman

[brittle siren]

I mean he failed his plan at 1999, he would jump in the simplest one available rn

The lab kinda pointless since it keep being like that like a year now

[lean garden]

I sense you didnt see the parts where rebb/megan tell us that isleweaver is wally's retaliation to our efforts in 1999

[brittle siren]

The Zariman is unstable

[brittle siren]

I mean
It didn't really contradict my point though

Like Zariman is right there, if Wally take over the whole place then Zariman is in a very grave danger

[lean garden]

its more of "your point seems quite the self-made explanation that isnt necessarily the case and thus its extremely confusing why you stated it like a fact"

[brittle siren]

Oh no it not really fact, it just obvious since he already did this before 1999 anyway. An all out attack while we distracted is not that far fetch

Idk if any voiceline that Wally or anyone said this though

Just keep it in mind for now

[lean garden]

"obvious" but you uh, realise that his injection site in duviri is extremely far from the zariman's location

[brittle siren]

(Since ofc he talk really fast and the amount of repetitive dialogue is a lot)

[brittle siren]

But we literally come to Duviri through Dormizone

And Thrax could just slip through there

(He even once control our camp portal)

[tall echo]

Wally is in duviri because he wants his fingies back not to unplug the zariman

[brittle siren]

Yes I know that, but he could aim Zariman as secondary objective

[tall echo]

But why

[brittle siren]

To remove the plug from both side...?

[tall echo]

It won't be an obstacle when he has his fingerbones back

Why waste time on it

[brittle siren]

He not dumb, he accounted that Duviri may hold no clue of the finger, so why not leave after searching everywhere? Sure you could said he doing that to torment us, but like you said, it would be a waste of time too

[graceful swan]

Wally has never stated he even cares about the Zariman

[brittle siren]

Is it? Iirc the crew saying that Void Angel trying to "destroy" Zariman so the rift could fully open or sth. I can't recall the exact quote

[graceful swan]

Void angels sorta do their own thing

[tall echo]

Wally is the "master" of the angels according to teshin but they're kinda. Really unfocused

[brittle siren]

The murmur limbs also have the "silver" material just like the angel

[graceful swan]

Teshin also isn't an expert on the Void

[tall echo]

Hence why I said "master"

[brittle siren]

Well so does Thrax yet he yap a lot about Wally

Like more than any ppl we have met

[tall echo]

Thrax was educated by albrecht

[brittle siren]

Oh it make sense
Though it could mean that Drifter also learn the same thing

[graceful swan]

Drifter was busy dying

[tall echo]

And forgetting

[brittle siren]

When Albrecht visit Duviri, I dont think Drifter is dying at that time

They probably still friend

(Funny that Thrax considers himself as Drifter's father)

[tall echo]

??

[brittle siren]

It's in one of the Isleweaver voiceline when talk to him in our Dormizone

[graceful swan]

Thrax is also unreliable as a narrator in that regard

Thrax also calls Wally a god

[brittle siren]

I mean god is subjective

[tall echo]

Not really

[brittle siren]

It kinda is, Egypt worship Ra when Japan worship Amaterasu

It really depend on the point of view

[tall echo]

That's

Wh

[brittle siren]

Even Bill Cipher is not god per se but yet he can be considered as one

There is a lot of type of "god", it doesn't have to be "all powerful and all knowing" one

For now Wally hold mastery over using void power (not controlling it)

So he by far the strongest of all void entities

[graceful swan]

Still isn't a god

He's just a Void entity not god

[brittle siren]

And since Wally is insanely strong compare to Thrax, he see Wally as one is not really that weird

[graceful swan]

Thrax has literally no Void powers at all

[brittle siren]

You misunderstood my point here

Do you know the Owl House? There's a character called the Collector. He isn't a god, yet ppl call him god, or Star Child

[graceful swan]

Calling a character a god doesn't mean they are a god

Thrax is being unreliable

[tall echo]

Orokin

[brittle siren]

Just because they are not omnipotent, does not mean they are not able to be act or seen as a god (unless they absurdly weak)

[graceful swan]

Yeah Orokin are the definition of seeing themselves and trying to be gods

[brittle siren]

So what kind of standard do you guys think that make a character to be considered as god?

[graceful swan]

Not being created by a human's emotions for a start

[brittle siren]

Japanese gods be like: 😨

but sure, please continue

[brittle siren]

Also forgot the "game god" in No game No life, they certainly and definitely not a god

[midnight niche]

Even shinto has the same differentiation, tsukuyomi is not the same as a local deity residing in a revered shrine/object

[graceful swan]

One character calling another a god isn't enough for them to actually be a god

[brittle siren]

True, but they are still considered as one

[brittle siren]

Iirc Drifter call Wally a child god

I may be wrong though

[graceful swan]

Drifter is also not an expert on Wally

[brittle siren]

(Not exactly the word child god)

[graceful swan]

Drifter says demi god and Void god but neither are accurate

[brittle siren]

So they spewing reliable lore all the time and when suddenly they called Wally "god", you just ignore it? Unless they said "uh idk, he maybe a god" or sth, that is unreliable

[midnight niche]

Yeah drifter also calls the lotus a god when DMing the hex

[graceful swan]

Yeah

[brittle siren]

Demi God is the term that suggest the real god exist

[brittle siren]

I think that just a joke, no? Do you have the whole convo? I want to see that

Which in WF, there literally no god beside if we consider the void can just vomit anything we could imagine out of it is a "god"

[graceful swan]

Even Eleanor calls Lotus a goddess

Characters throwing around the word god doesn't make it true

[brittle siren]

What is the context btw

[graceful swan]

Triple faced goddess

[brittle siren]

Ah

[midnight niche]

"do you mind" convo in the KIM with salem/eleanor
She's kind of a mother figure. Also kind of a biological-mechanical-deity-thing.

[brittle siren]

Well I think that more a comparison (since Lotus is now like 3 personality in 1 body)

[brittle siren]

Thank you

[midnight niche]

But honestly a lot of stuff in warframe classifies as a god in some way by clarke's laws

[graceful swan]

Drifter has only known Lotus for a little bit tbh

[midnight niche]

Tech indistinguishable from magic

[brittle siren]

Her hand literally lead them to thr right place, she floating and shoot laser, no wonder that Drifter saw her to be one

[brittle siren]

I mean in a lot of game, an AI could be "god"

Eg: Nous from HSR (don't kill me please)

[midnight niche]

Also side question but somewhat related, at the end of the hex quest are we the ones that reset the loop? Because drifter slams his hand down duviri style and goes "Again."

[brittle siren]

Btw it not THEIR real body

[midnight niche]

And if we're resetting the loop drifter has no reason to call anyone else a god lmao

[tall echo]

Someone get the axe

[brittle siren]

We can reset it yes, it not create by us though

[tall echo]

I can't I don't have arms

[graceful swan]

Drifter doesn't have loop powers the throne does

[tall echo]

Or legs

Being glassed is inconvenient

[graceful swan]

Shouldn't have been glassed then

[midnight niche]

I would need to know way more about how duviri even exists to respond to this but man do I want to lmao, I figured duviri was all just the psyche and truama of the drifter made manifest due to the void

[tall echo]

It's not like I had a choice

[brittle siren]

You could send a Sentinel or someone devoted to you

[graceful swan]

Just don't commit a crime easy

[tall echo]

My sentinels don't have arms or legs either except for the MOAs and my tenno refuses to do anything but combat

[brittle siren]

Also I want another Glassmaker event without the boss fight part like the first one

[brittle siren]

Iirc the sentinel in some animal capture can pull things up though?

[graceful swan]

Drifter read the book as instructed and the Void made it real

[brittle siren]

Or it just suck it all out. Drifter just like to read the book too much

[midnight niche]

Ah so it's a yesn't

[tall echo]

Biz doesn't like it when I hijack his conservation drones

[brittle siren]

It a yes, but mainly because Drifter kinda memorize the book too well

Tbh we need more Sentinel and Beast

[midnight niche]

Honestly this has just made me think the void itself is a sleeping god and everyone else just uses it's authority haphazardly inb4 I join an obscure corpus cult

[graceful swan]

Nef worships the Void

[midnight niche]

Is he even still alive

[graceful swan]

Should be

Nothing showed him dying

[humble sierra]

Yeah he's just taken a backseat in the story since Parvos showed up

[past halo]

Okay so am I the only person who wants to see what an Arum Spinosa plant looks like, like what kind of plant can grow leaves that sharp and dangerous

[pseudo edge]

He's still at the index, isn't he?

[hexed oxide]

Ever since parvos literally made him cry

[midnight niche]

Yeah ngl that with the seemingly hostile takeover of the whole faction made me think he got offed off screen

[ashen pulsar]

Drying his tears with his trillions of credits

[hexed oxide]

I mean

He built up this cult, looking forward to his father's return, just for his father to tell him he's a failure who goes against every single teaching of his

[hexed oxide]

The corpus wasn't taken over by parvos, the corpus has a lot of subfactions and splinters who fight and bid war amongst themselves, parvos' faction being one of those splinters (ergo glast too i think)

[ashen pulsar]

I don’t feel bad for him

Parvos isn’t exactly a good guy either but he was disappointed for really good reason

[hexed oxide]

Yeah neither do i, just saying how breaking it must be for anyo

First thing your dad does after coming back from the void is calling you a failure 💀

[midnight niche]

The dad you never met either

[dusk temple]

Yeah, the other main splinter we see a bunch aside from Nef Anyo and Ergo Glast is the splinter of Corpus under Alad V alongside his barbaric creations in the Corpus Amalgam.

[finite python]

Among all warframes oraxia probably is one of them who had it easy

[dim laurel]

I don't like hoyoverse stuff but anytime I see this design I go INSANE

I love how it looks like an eye but NO

[brittle siren]

Aeon design in this game is so peak

[frank condor]

so ||is the theory that alberecht at the end of the hex quest being a fake still a theory or very likely?||

[graceful swan]

Unlikely

[silk atlas]

If he was a fake then we've already lost.

[frank condor]

we lost before and all it did was just change fortuna's color

[silk atlas]

Touche

[tall echo]

And then we won

[humble sierra]

DE could do something hilarious and make Fortuna green after we do the Void War finale

[tall echo]

Make it obnoxiously blue

[silk atlas]

"Hey, you wanted blue Fortuna back."

[spice jewel]

Just replay vox solaris or smth

[ashen pulsar]

Legend tells if we do enough quests fortuna becomes an rgb gaming pc

[brittle siren]

Ppl hate Narmer version for no reason lmao. Like get over it, things changed

[tall echo]

No it's ugly

And they killed the intro replay guy

[sage moat]

i don't dislike it at all

i didn't even notice a difference at first lol

[prime cove]

Plus there's that one guy near Biz's shop who mutters "all as one" when you pass him, giving the impression that Fortuna may have a bit of a Narmer sleeper agent problem.

[tall echo]

That's just leftover subtitles from tnw

[prime cove]

Suuuuure it is...!

[tall echo]

They appear in the same spot where you walk past as the drifter and they very poorly pretend to be veiled in response to a solaris saying that

[gentle wave]

Waos

[restive river]

Gaslit by an eldritch void entity

[graceful swan]

The human that got infested: tf you mean?

[hexed oxide]

i'd argue lavos had it pretty easy too

just being a warden and executor of some prison

and one of your executees teaches you one of the most powerful sciences known to eventually prime yourself

[graceful swan]

Literally, no Warframe had it easy

[hexed oxide]

ok then

lavos had it easier

i think

let's ignore the creation process for a sec

[graceful swan]

Having to be a Prison Warden all day is boring and has to take a toll eventually

[hexed oxide]

idk, at least his leverian doesn't show anything like that

he tortures a death row inmate while the inmate teaches him alchemy

[graceful swan]

Oraxia got to see cool stuff

[hexed oxide]

and if i understand correctly, he was even feared by his orokin "peers"

[graceful swan]

Wasn't it Javi that was feared?

[hexed oxide]

just re-read the leverian, yeah it was javi

lavos was still feared...by the other inmates whom he was assigned to beat

then he just killed literally everyone in that prison except for the floor-washer

[quartz condor]

Is kahl alive, I just started the new war and broski just gone

[graceful swan]

You're too early for that answer

[quartz condor]

Awww man :(

[restive river]

He had to turn his teacher into goop and then a snake 😭

[restive river]

Keep playing

[hexed oxide]

i think he was kind of indifferent while he was doing that

like, he was giving javi enough blood to paint the walls

and still turned him into a soup

[restive river]

You don’t feel nothing when you are forced to turn your teacher who has changed your mind into goop.

[hexed oxide]

He massacred the (arguably) innocent inmates too

[jaunty goblet]

@random veldt when garuda lore?

[hexed oxide]

[humble sierra]

Googled Dominus Aureus, holy nostalgia

Would be neat if this is true

Well, for him, at least, maybe, he might not enjoy it as much once he actually becomes one

[hexed oxide]

who's mira ?

[hexed oxide]

good old unregulated roblox

[humble sierra]

||Amir, you talk to him about video games in the future, he wonders who the hell makes those games, you can suggest the Corpus or maybe Simaris since he sells them, then Amir thinks that maybe his legacy is that he becomes a Cephalon who makes games||

[proper barn]

Well his teacher wanted to be goop/a snake. Lavos original order was to beat him up ajd then kill him with a shotgun.

[proper barn]

He didn't massacre anyone I don't think?

[hexed oxide]

the leverian says he killed everyone, and only spared the cleaner

[hexed oxide]

also no, the orokin were afraid he would somehow live through the jade light so they decided to biologically regress him by giving lavos the power of alchemy

[proper barn]

No not true.

Lavos did not have the power of alchemy until Javi taught him.

[native kernel]

okay so, i dont know much about warframe lore but uh.

what is a necramech? i own both bonewidow and voidrig. but aoi's new kim messages have made me wonder...

[humble sierra]

Big theory is that there's something inside the Sarcophagus that allow us to transfer into it

[proper barn]

Early machine used in the new war that was passed over in favor of warframes.

This is new.

[native kernel]

new war? like the one from the quest right?

[proper barn]

Old war*

Lmao my bad.

[humble sierra]

I think Vinny meant Old War

[proper barn]

I did.

[native kernel]

ohhhhh

[humble sierra]

Discord/internet acting up lmao, I sent that 1 minute ago before you replied

[native kernel]

i have a basic grasp of the central idea of the lore, but i wanna know more about the juicy side stuff

like the aforementioned necramechs

[humble sierra]

ASK AWAY! WE WILL TELL YOU ALL

[native kernel]

THANK YOU

OKAY ABOUT THE LEVERIAN

those warframes drusus speaks of in those stories

were they like...conscious like how umbra is?

[proper barn]

Maybe.

But also no. Like voruna isn't.

[hexed oxide]

i think i've seen people say they all were piloted

[proper barn]

Voruna specifically has a operator.

[native kernel]

i havent seen vorunas yet-

[humble sierra]

Lavos might've been pilotless

[native kernel]

but i do own her and her prex card oddly

[humble sierra]

Dante wasn't

[native kernel]

back to lore-

[proper barn]

Isn't her prex card from yonta?

[humble sierra]

You probably went into Voruna's then, lol, the Prex cards for the Leverian frames are hidden in the exhibits once you hit rank 30

[native kernel]

i dont think qorvex was conscious, since his tasty flavor text says he was built as a sort of "hazmat suit" correct?

[proper barn]

Doesn't Yonta

Sell Vorunas?

[native kernel]

....im mr 21?

[humble sierra]

Nah I explicitly remember you spin Voruna's around

[native kernel]

guess they changed that?

[humble sierra]

Rank 30 with the Warframe

[native kernel]

oh- right

[humble sierra]

Mastering them, rather, not MR30

[proper barn]

Kinda. I mean all warframes are more conscious than you think. The animations are the lingering personality from the humans made into the frames.

[native kernel]

mhm

this is interesting
btw im bored so ill listen to yall yap as long as you want

[humble sierra]

Going behind it has a secret prompt that spins the podium around, and it's on the newly-revealed floor

[proper barn]

umbra is more active

[native kernel]

okay so, mind if i ask the lore of specific warframes i fancy?

[humble sierra]

So long as you don't fancy Garuda

[proper barn]

cuz he was left with a single memory and then imprisioned in the MOON for 1000 years. @native kernel

Like UMBRA doesn't get out of the moon UNTIL WE BRING THE MOON BACK.

[native kernel]

me with my favorite warframe being hildryn

[humble sierra]

Only because her lore is super long, in-depth and complex, so it'll take far too long to type it all

[proper barn]

So he was just in his like

Cell in the moon just MAD thinking about how he was made to kill his son all the time.

[native kernel]

noted, also i like how during the stalker quest ordis asks if umbra is there. so in my mind i just imagine umbra chilling around my orbiter while i do missions, looking at my decorations lol

[proper barn]

OHHHHH Hildyrn is INTRESTING. Hildry is specificly Ballas' bodyguard that he Tells hunhow "hey when you go to kill all the tenno leave the one controlling Hildyrn alive cuz she's my bodyguard".

[native kernel]

ooooo, ballas smells tho...

[proper barn]

he does.

[humble sierra]

ball-ass

[proper barn]

also hunhow never got to despoil the reservoir in the old war.

[native kernel]

I WAS BOUTA MAKE THAT JOKE

[proper barn]

OH this actually links back to umbra.

[strong viper]

Does anyone have translation of the statue in Isleweaver?

[proper barn]

cuz Umbra was made into umbra cuz he wanted to stop ballas from selling out the tenno to Hunhow.

[humble sierra]

Obligatory concept art btw

[humble sierra]

The one of Rusalka? "BND TH NEE"

[native kernel]

awesome design but very well written manipulator

[strong viper]

I did not get that from attempting to translate at all.

[proper barn]

what statue?

[strong viper]

Near the top of Scholar's landing. There's also a super scary surprise at the very tippy top.

[proper barn]

well there are 2 other bodies

[proper barn]

as well.

[humble sierra]

I was using a different table than the screenshots, but either way it translates to "Bend the Knee" phonetically

[strong viper]

This body is more special.

[native kernel]

or bend thy knee, as she asking you to bow to her?

[proper barn]

no it's not.

[strong viper]

I translated the first word as Read, and gave up on the rest before coming to ask.

[proper barn]

there are 2 other hidden bodies that are also interactable. @strong viper

[humble sierra]

Yep, could be "Bend The", could be "Bend Thy", because either way, kneeling to it (in Operator/Drifter form) summons a Murmur Sarcophage(?) with some Stela

[strong viper]

I assumed you meant the random Duviri bodies. Where are they? I'll go find out who they are.

[humble sierra]

#spoiler-chat message

[native kernel]

so from what I've seen, Limbo just forgot to carry the 2 and exploded?

[humble sierra]

Yeah pretty much

[native kernel]

lmao

[humble sierra]

Well less 'exploded' and more 'torn across space'

[proper barn]

@strong viper use mine cuz it doesn't spoil the other parts OH NO I USED THE SAME IMAGE 1 sec.

[strong viper]

I remember that cubby hole, but nothing inside it. Must have overlooked it.

[native kernel]

next uh....BANSHEE

my beloved

[proper barn]

this is at the bottom of the most South Island

[native kernel]

does banshee have any lore or is she in the garuda club?

[proper barn]

ballas made her to kill quietly.

[humble sierra]

Don't think she has lore, besides her Prime trailer, where Ballas mentions how Warframes should be unique and her goal specifically was to be silent

[native kernel]

damn

[humble sierra]

The earlier you go, the less likely there is to be lore, I feel

[native kernel]

fine fine

K u l l e r v o

[proper barn]

kullervo is fun

he is a gen 1 frame that saw all the other gen 1 frames die.

also maybe saw the tenno appear.

[strong viper]

While I'm here, where's the somachord on scholar's landing? Having trouble finding it.

[proper barn]

also kullervo was gay.

[humble sierra]

A Warframe with no Operator (because he wasn't made with them in mind), eventually tried killing Ballas and some other Orokin-- I think after Ballas tried pinning some stuff on him?-- but failed for the most part, somehow got sent through the Void and into Duviri where his guilt and self-loathing manifested a prison for himself, where Ballas is his jailor

[native kernel]

so thats why he only appears on anger, sadness, and fear spirals?

[humble sierra]

Here-ish

[proper barn]

no he didn't try to kill ballas until later.

[proper barn]

he didn't try to kill ballas until later. but also yes.

also he was gay cuz he wanted ballas to love him and then ballas was a orokin and was a jerk.

[humble sierra]

Ah, ty, despite me having 25% of my playtime on Kullervo, I don't think I've actually read the plaques properly

[strong viper]

I was way off, thanks.

[proper barn]

so Kullervo became a rebeland helped the tenno

[native kernel]

next, hmmmm

[proper barn]

oh

[native kernel]

valkyr

[proper barn]

Kullervo tried to kill ballas after the night of naga drums. @native kernel

do you know about the night of naga drums?

[native kernel]

....no

somethinh something execution?

[proper barn]

btw did you get the soma cord from the arena?

[humble sierra]

Very angry berserker lady. Currently up for debate on whether her Prime came first or if her Geresemi skin came first. Her Geresemi skin is how she looked before her base skin looks. Her base skin looks like that because Alad V skinned her to make the Zanuka

[native kernel]

i remember vaguely about execution while speeding through vorunas leverian to get her card

[native kernel]

give me MORE

[proper barn]

okay it a was victory ceremony for the tenno made the orokin. on the last beat of the naga drums the tenno/with their warframes killed all the orokin in attendance.

[native kernel]

.....oh

[proper barn]

the victory over the senteints. @native kernel

[humble sierra]

the orokin slaughter

the tenno rebellion

[strong viper]

Yep, that was my first one. Doing a solo run currently to get all the lore stuff. Missing the 14th and 11th collectable, but one's in the undercroft loading zone, so that'll suck.

[native kernel]

oh i read that wrong

ahem, yaaay!!!

[proper barn]

yeah.

[proper barn]

that one is easy.

[native kernel]

i thought you said the orokin killed the tenno 😭

[proper barn]

no

[humble sierra]

Nah we're still standing

[proper barn]

all the tenno killed all the orokin in attenade.

so like most of the leadership

[humble sierra]

They don't know how to kill us

Or even if something can kill us

That's why in New War, Ballas resorts to simply trapping the Operator in the Void

[native kernel]

ballas was an ass, but damn he could make fire one liners

"for others shall be seared blind in the heat of his passing"

but back to lore

[hexed oxide]

how come eleanor can still get hungover ? interesting though

[native kernel]

that moment when i forget my favorite warframes cuz i can barely memorize anything

[humble sierra]

If I had to guess, there might be something special they drink. In the Flash tv show, one of his friends makes him 'rocket fuel', a drink with a super high alcohol content so he can join them in getting drunk, so might be something similar here?

[hexed oxide]

good god

[native kernel]

i already know yareli's, totally surpising

[hexed oxide]

now that you mention it, i think eleanor says something way earlier about arthur and quincy trying to make prison whiskey or whatever, so maybe they and/or lettie managed to brew smth for eleanor

[proper barn]

The prime trailer too?

[humble sierra]

And how she was best friends with Grandma Entrati?

[proper barn]

Well I like the prime trailer more.

Cuz it proves gender is fake.

[humble sierra]

ofc, it's just an extra detail too that might've slipped past

[native kernel]

little kid making fun of ballas, he got angy, sent her to the warframe-inator

[humble sierra]

Oh and her Pandea skin has a bit of lore too

[proper barn]

Younger person. She was a Yuvan.

[native kernel]

DID SOMEONE SAY YARELI PANDEA
I LOVE YARELI PANDEA

[humble sierra]

Somehow a Yareli sank all the way down to Hunhow, and he restored her into the Pandea form

[native kernel]

my only question about that

[humble sierra]

Well, she sank at some point, eventually he found her

After his redemption arc

[native kernel]

does that make yareli pandea a sentient in some weird way?

[proper barn]

@native kernel a yuvan is the person a Orokin transfers into. So Ballas was gonna choose yarelis-non frame person to be his new body until he realized he was making fun of the Orokin.

[humble sierra]

Not any more than Stalker in Shadow Stalker form with the Sentient armor and weaponry maybe

[proper barn]

Not a random child

[native kernel]

anything to torment my nidus main friend lmao

[native kernel]

i figured, but he seems like the type to throw rocks covered in snow at homeless people

[proper barn]

but you know what a yuvan is right

[native kernel]

i do now

[proper barn]

Cuz it's how the orokin are "immortal"

it's what the queens try to do to us.

[native kernel]

ahhh, that makes that quest make more sense now

[proper barn]

also the queens call us a yuvan.

basiclly choosen body. teshin talks about a yuvan theater

where they show "the young and exotic" to aging orokin

to choose a body.

[native kernel]

gotcha

soooo

when i got the gotva prime it said something about c

"clone rot"
i know the grineer were originally orokin soldiers

but what is "clone rot"?

[hexed oxide]

they cloned themselves so much their dna is decaying

[humble sierra]

Basically what it sounds like, imagine photocopying something, copying that copy, again and again until it's unreadable

[native kernel]

ah

i love listening to all the small stuff, makes me appreciate this game more :3

[hexed oxide]

that's why tyl regor wants to break belric's and rania's crystals to get original orokin dna to clone better grineer

[native kernel]

speaking of that

who tf is citrine and those two crystals

[hexed oxide]

her leverian explains it

[humble sierra]

She don't got a Leverian

[native kernel]

she has a leverian?

[humble sierra]

Her lore comes from the Tyanna Pass mission

[hexed oxide]

thought she did ?

[humble sierra]

Nah, her card is sold by Otak (who provides a bit more lore)

[hexed oxide]

maybe her prex fooled me. basically citrine was protector and lover of a couple who loved each other so much she froze them

i don't remember much to be honest

[native kernel]

why tho

[humble sierra]

She probably loved them before being a Warframe

[native kernel]

i...see...

[humble sierra]

And Belric and Rania probably weren't as possessive of Orokin lovers as Dagath's "owners" were

[native kernel]

i love that horse woman

[humble sierra]

know her lore?

[native kernel]

basically this?

[humble sierra]

LMAO

[tall echo]

Honestly not too far off

[native kernel]

here comes the lore 🍿

[hexed oxide]

"you gave your own horse a name ? BOMBOCLAAT "

[tall echo]

So much typing

[humble sierra]

funny horse story

sorry I'm a slow typer

[tall echo]

Wh

[native kernel]

no its oki, take ur time

[tall echo]

Well the murder was unintentional

[native kernel]

You will NOT apologize

[native kernel]

the railgun to the face

[hexed oxide]

not even a railgun

[tall echo]

That was later

[hexed oxide]

too sophisticated. industrial laser instead

[native kernel]

thought they meant dagath was unintentional

mb

[humble sierra]

She was a Dax in a relationship with an Orokin couple (people headcanon that it was forced but there's nothing explicitly stating that, maybe slight implications, but I believe it was a taboo relationship since Dax were lesser). They gifted her a horse on the condition that she doesn't love it. She did, naming it Rakhali.

The couple noticed it, then tried staging an accident that would kill it, only the Dax got injured in the accident too. The couple took her to Ballas, he turned her into a Warframe with a smiling face. The couple got bored of her-- it wasn't really 'her' anymore, and the taboo-ness was gone too. They sent her to a scrapyard. She got her face exploded.

But she lived, got angry, summoned a ghost horse, got up and killed them on a Naberus night (future Halloween-- Eleanor also reveals that it's called something else in 1999, Fearsnight I think?), where she encountered a miserly woman. The Dax whispered into the woman's mind, demanding something. The woman had nothing but her name, and so she gave it-- thus, Dagath rode again.

The woman? Grandma Entrati.

[native kernel]

wooooah

i love the barbie horse rider frame

[tall echo]

Grandma is based

[native kernel]

and her 2 being a fnaf jumpscare

[humble sierra]

Oh, forgot to mention, Dagath demanded something because it was Naberus tradition, I think

Or there wasn't actually a demand, and Grandma just assumed Dagath was demanding something as per the Naberus tradition

Grandma's the one telling the story, there could be a bit of unreliable narration

[native kernel]

i see

oh yeah i rember, what about the alternate helmets?

i think lavos's said something about it being for ceremonial stuff

[humble sierra]

Very few helmets have lore, those that do rarely have any extra outside of their text descriptions, even a lot of Deluxe skins don't have lore

[native kernel]

you have no idea how many burning questions i have

so the dax were basically samurais yes?

[hexed oxide]

kind of ?

basically elite soldiers, below the orokin and tenno though

[native kernel]

oh i figured, the orokin were very classist right?

[humble sierra]

Yeppers

[hexed oxide]

hardest caste system in existence

[sly pagoda]

https://youtu.be/SNa9n6HG4pc

[native kernel]

tell me about koumei, she has literally nothing

[native kernel]

no skin, one augment, and one alt helmet

[hexed oxide]

she does have some explanation in her quest

i don't remember bc i didn't pay attention bc i don't care about her

[native kernel]

shes cool, i like her, but im waiting for anthing for her
ill even take a tennogen 😭

hell, ill take an immortal skin

[hexed oxide]

i would like her if oraxia had taken her place

[sly pagoda]

That video is just a straight up recording from the interactable in the sleepy hollow room you can add to the dojo for Dagath.

[native kernel]

brb one sec

[humble sierra]

https://tenor.com/view/bet-casino-gambling-victor-polizzi-john-magaro-gif-15213368

[native kernel]

gimmie a minute gotta do smth

[hexed oxide]

https://tenor.com/view/lets-go-gambling-gif-4822326163116896763

[humble sierra]

She only came out September

Lavos has been out for years, and he doesn't have a skin outside of his Prime

[hexed oxide]

he has tennogen

but no deluxe yet

[humble sierra]

Isn't it just a Tennogen helmet? No skin?

[hexed oxide]

i thought it was a whole skin themed after a plague doctor

like, he has vials added around his waist i think

[humble sierra]

ah yeah skin

[dry sable]

can someone explain to me what the Call of Tempestarii is about?

Im a bit confused what I just played

[humble sierra]

From memory, you're looting something nearby a void storm, the Corpus find it too and try looting it, only for a ghost ship to appear from the Void and attack them. You investigate records about the ship, find out it's the Tempestarii, a legendary Railjack during the Old War with hundreds of successful (rescue?) missions. It sends out a signal, you send one back but you use the Orokin codeword and it thinks you're one of them, so it attacks. The Corpus show up again, helmed by Vala Glarios, who had her crew killed by the Tempestarii one time, so she's here for revenge.

You try again a bit more honestly, and it lets you board, revealing the Captain-- Sevagoth's shadow. You fight off the Corpus, in a Void storm, enter the void, and retrieve Sevagoth's body, allowing the shadow to merge with it again, finally letting him rest. Vala ends up in the Granum Void and becomes Parvos' "Sister".

[sly ibex]

It's basically a space ghost ship story.

[tall echo]

Yes, rescue missions. The tempestarii was a rescue ship

[dry sable]

Why do I suddenly become the sevagoth's ghost and begin killing corpus while mad music is going at the same time

[tall echo]

That was mostly just cool exposition but also secretly you're playing the shadow defending your unconscious self

After that section there's a few dead corpus on the tempestarii

[dry sable]

had a feeling thats what was happening

Also I forgot, why is the corpus "founder?" doing whatever he's doing?

[tall echo]

Just because

[dry sable]

I remember fighting Protea I believe

[tall echo]

No quotes parvos is the founder

[dry sable]

But all I was thinking about was that he really hated his kid

[tall echo]

Yeah anyo twisted parvos' teachings of running a pyramid scheme working for your profit into laziness and slavery

[proper barn]

Cuz he's a evil capitalist. I know I just said evil twice but whatever.

[native kernel]

I RETURNB

[tall echo]

Returnb

[native kernel]

that was on purpose

[dry sable]

Lmao

[native kernel]

cephalon stink

[tall echo]

Was it though

[native kernel]

(yes actually)

[tall echo]

[proper barn]

Also he might have been made a capitalist by Wally

[proper barn]

My favorite celphalon is Cy.

[tall echo]

Dam ok

[proper barn]

Cy's great. Also Cy's VA came out as trans.

[tall echo]

Oh based

[dry sable]

Isn't ordis a cephalon?

Or am I mistaken

[tall echo]

Yes

Good bot

[true bobcat]

Ordis is pleased to help the Operator!

[dry sable]

neat

[native kernel]

simaris for me

i like his tsundere energy

[tall echo]

My favorite cephalon is cordylon

[proper barn]

Yes.

All cephalons also used to be people.

[dry sable]

Oh

Im not that far into the lore

[native kernel]

ordan karris, (ordis)

oops-

[tall echo]

It's not something you discover in the story

[dry sable]

Umm im outta here before I am spoiled anymore

I see

[proper barn]

Run

[native kernel]

dont look uo the name

[proper barn]

Flee

[dry sable]

cya

[tall echo]

Look it up

[native kernel]

Evacuate

[tall echo]

Trust the guy with the clown pfp

[native kernel]

man i love super paper mario

[tall echo]

(Technically jester but idc)

[proper barn]

We know Suda was the one turned willing. Cuz she had Althemerz

I can't spell.

[tall echo]

Idk how to spell it either tbh

[native kernel]

althermerz goes hard as a band name

[hexed oxide]

Alzheimer's -_-

[tall echo]

What's with that reaction

The emoticon

[hexed oxide]

-_-

[tall echo]

•_•

[pliant smelt]

:3

[whole dragon]

I have a theory

[proper barn]

Yes?

[whole dragon]

The Indifference is not Indifferent at all, if it was, Albrecht would have passed through unnoticed right?

[glacial bough]

It hasn't been Indifferent in the literal sense from the start, yes

[proper barn]

No?

What do you mean?

[whole dragon]

Well if it didn't care at all, because it's so infinitely vast, Albrecht wouldn't have even been seen

[glacial bough]

Wally is Indifferent is regards not caring how he treats other beings, not in demeanor

[whole dragon]

Okay well I'm losing my point now

So instead I will write everything I think at once and then you can deconstruct it

Nevermind actually

[proper barn]

Wait no

I love theories.

[brittle siren]

Oull is possibility

[hexed oxide]

about time

though oull is not the same as voull, neither is lohk and vohk

"possibilities(?) truth void(?), void demon ?"

[frozen knoll]

Why are the scaldra heads Like That
I always laugh when Viktor yells "I'm TIRED, I'm so TIRED!"
And with isleweaver you got Neci screaming "I FOUND IT SO ITS MINE!"
Genuinely they're like petulant children

[brittle siren]

Actually Wally is the one who said that not Neci

[frozen knoll]

Really? Is Neci in isleweaver also Wally?

[glacial bough]

Yes

[frozen knoll]

I guessed because of the "kiddo" thing

But I'm like surely this is the real neci having to deal with being whisked to duviri

[glacial bough]

Heavily influenced by Wally. There are defintely shades of her real self there

But the Rusalka we see is 90 to 99 percent controlled by Wally

[frozen knoll]

So Neci has been possessed by Wally? What's happened to her real self now? Is she okay?

[glacial bough]

Gone, surpressed, any number of things

[brittle siren]

Basically the same with Pazuul and Erra atm

[frozen knoll]

Ah
That reminds me I have to do kahl stuff

[brittle siren]

https://tenor.com/view/dew-it-galactic-republic-palpatine-gif-21847982

[supple basin]

This is more of a theory/ personal head Canon
Some people in duviri look and sound like people in the origin system (the warden being ballas)
What if: Mathila is Neci's biological mother, I'm basing this off of one voice line that says something like, you put down oraxia, now could you do the same for Mathila. Since Neci is a very resentful person,I think she would want the image of her biological mother who left her gone from duviri and her mind. Another bit is Mathila saying she "was" a loving mother which means in the past. But hey, that's just a theory...

[glacial bough]

It's not really a solid one unfortunately. Neci lived and died an unknowable another of time being Mother would've even had the idea of Duviri

Mathila is more likely to be based on Mother's own mother if she's based on anyone in particular

[brittle siren]

So the Minerva body in Duviri is fake right?

[brittle siren]

Um no
Mathila is a character from the book that made by the Mother. Warden was additionally add after Kullervo enter Duviri

And 1999 is really looooong time compare to the time that The Mother wrote the book

[supple basin]

I was half asleep writing that btw

[brittle siren]

The "Circuit" also not even from the book, it suddenly appear, probably by Wally influence

[supple basin]

And I haven't played in a while I forgot most of the lore

[supple basin]

I didn't see that lol

I don't really pay attention to the details most of the time

[lean garden]

Probably is

[supple basin]

I'm paying more attention to figuring out why my torid build still doesn't work that great

I think I need more crit chance

[pine venture]

I frickin called it. Amir is aware of Tennos Pre-Orokin era..!

Love the honorable mention :')

[brittle siren]

What

Wdym by all of that

[lean garden]

yea Im not sure what you mean and how youre getting it from FnF

[brittle siren]

It just merely mean that Amir did listen to the Drifter side of story

[lean garden]

"tenno's pre-orokin era" is a highly self-contradictory term

[brittle siren]

Aka they do not exist

[pine venture]

Dark Sector

idk anymore

[lean garden]

uh

DS isnt canon to warframe

[pine venture]

why does it sound so much like what Amir said

is it just

a subtle mention?

[lean garden]

Are you familiar with Dungeons and Dragons?

[gilded bobcat]

ok so I've been playing the new area in isle weaver and found a "dead" loid and seen someone else find some of the "dead" hex members so I was wondering, is scholars landing a island of "what if" because we know loid is alive upon the release of isle weaver and the hex in 1999 also alive thanks to the drifter. plus wasn't duviri created cause of the drifter so how exactly would nessi be able to travel to duviri?

[graceful swan]

The Island isn't even real it’s just Wally fanfic

[gilded bobcat]

well I could see that, but if it wasn't real why would there be tales of scholars landing?

[graceful swan]

Scholars landing that we see is literally a fake Duviri tethering to the real the new the fragments in it are about Rusalka being taken by Wally and the real island was literally destroyed when Albrecht left

[gilded bobcat]

interesting

[dire mountain]

@native kernel kullervo also tried committing suicide it seems

[sly pagoda]

Arson Murder Jaywalking...

okay more accurately. Murder, Cowardice, Flight from custody, Treason, Espionage, Second count of Treason, Attempted Regicide.
(despite all the jokes we made during primetimes back then, no Tax Evasion).

[flat palm]

An accurate summary of ||Drifter during The Hex Part 1||

[brittle siren]

I mean
Albrecht keep telling us to kill Neci, and we know he has something in mind, so it not that simple

also we kill those troop as self defense anyway, Neci was defenceless until Wally took her away

[flat palm]

I’m not genuinely pushing a sunken cost fallacy or anything but I do find it kind of funny that we (The Drifter) decide that right then and there is the place to sprout a conscience

[graceful swan]

I'd say it was more we knew it wouldn't work anyway especially considering it was Wally and the 10 rockets

[flat palm]

Ah true, we did throw a whole chopper’s worth of rockets at her for very little in the way of returns

But, I’ll gladly punch Viktor in his preening face with Landslide Fists Prime as consolation if DE ever lets us

Haven’t forgotten what that bastard did to the Rippers

[sage moat]

by the simple fact of what this game is we can not have a "spare the villain" plot unless the villain is abused in some way or seeks redemption on their own

for example: Kahl, doing both

because like lets say it was viktor we were told to kill and not the much more complex rusalka.
We've killed millions of his henchmen through a timeloop and yet we get to him, the cult leader, the one that started all of this for nothing but personal gain, and while we thoughtlessly mowed down his victims we go "i just can't..."

[native kernel]

id like to ask more about lore to specific frames and other things

[lean garden]

well, ask then

[north jolt]

So, do we know for sure WHY the "archons" are actually called that?

I know what the word itself means, I'm mainly curious about the symbolic and lore connections

[plain linden]

<@&778745217037238293>

[bronze field]

✂️

[brittle siren]

I meam they rules certain planets when Narmer is everywhere

[north jolt]

Yeah so far that's the only obvious connection I see. However I think in Gnosticism the lord of Jupiter (where Nira resides) is "Yao". Mars (Amar) would be Sabaoth, and Earth Im actually not sure. TBH my knowledge on Gnosticism is very limited and surface level though

If I had to guess I think Earth itself would be the domain of the demi urge wouldn't it?

[brittle siren]

I don't think it that deep
Genshin also use the term Archon for elemental gods

[north jolt]

Maybe not but I hoped looking into it that it WOULD be deeper

[brittle siren]

So most part maybe it just for cool factor

[north jolt]

And given it's obscurity (but also some minor shared elements with other religions like Buddhism) Gnostic references are always particularly interesting to me

So to me its like, if you're already digging THAT deep for religious/philosophical elements for your story, Im more inclined to see if there's more below the surface

[quartz condor]

I finished the new war and unlocked the sanctum anatomica, can someone drop qorvex lore on me

[silk atlas]

There isn't really anything to him, just was designed for Albrecht and now he's there in the labs

[quartz condor]

Aw dang

Id expect the walking demon core to have at least a bit of lore

[sage moat]

He was made to protect the chosen operator in the irradiated labs, basically

And uses radiation because that's what the Murmur are weak to

[proper barn]

His chest has been a Emote for Valentines day and for Pride.

Is that lore enough? Lmao. Also we love him.

@quartz condor his augment is really good.

[tall echo]

Designed by albrecht

[tall echo]

The labs aren't irradiated

[silk atlas]

Whoops

[sage moat]

If the labs aren't irradiated why did they conk his crete

[tall echo]

Because he's a walking reactor

The labs aren't irradiated, he's radioactive

[sage moat]

Fair enough

[quartz condor]

Peak lore

[sage moat]

so we can infer that canonically, other tenno are aware that the panzer vulpaphyla is a good companion

how can we infer this? because in a lettie conversation you can say that its rare to see the other vulpaphylas outside of deimos, but if talking about the panzer vulpaphyla that sentence is missing

which is a REALLY funny joke

[silk atlas]

Warframe meta shaping the lore is funny

[barren ember]

I just got to the kim message where ||ayatan sculptures contain warframe blueprints||, found that really interesting tidbit.

[restive river]

They also contain memories

[proper barn]

Do they?

[barren ember]

That's what the KIM messages say

I guess its part of the lore on how we discover how to build some of the Warframes, we find the sculpture with the info?

[proper barn]

OH. Ummmmm that's not a terrible lore explanation.

[keen latch]

Flipside of that convo was explaining the ||Orokin's love of torture and depravity, explaining continuance and Yuvans.||

I went with that conversation branch because I'm a world-class hater of the Orokin lol.

[keen latch]

Do we ever get a listed displacement for the Zariman? How big is it tip to stern? What kind of external volume are we talking.

Feels like it is at least a few kilometres tall, definitely longer than it is tall.

[sly pagoda]

Its basically a city and a ship

[stiff fable]

home to millions of people

[sly pagoda]

As it’s an awake colony ship vs sleepers.

[keen latch]

Meaning they need all of the facilities to sustain all of those people. And house them, give them recreation etc.

[stiff fable]

It was also supposed to be a base of operations

[sly pagoda]

I dunno about millions but probably rated for 50k possibly. It only was going to bootstrap the colony until the rail was built

[stiff fable]

No, not at all actually

The entire point was to do the full terraforming so the Orokin wouldn't have to lift a finger

They were going to build the rail and also terraform the system

same as the Sentients later

[keen latch]

Also the Zarimans 1-9 were drone ships. This was an actual manned mission with experimental void tech.
Also didn't DE confirm somewhere that the canonical number of tenno is the total account number?

So there are millions are tenno. Those would all be children with parents on the ship.

[lean garden]

Also didn't DE confirm somewhere that the canonical number of tenno is the total account number?
Im not sure if this can be the case since the number is ever growing, cant be constantly having more kids outta nowhere

[stiff fable]

iirc there are at minimum 200k or so, because that's the number of players who helped with the Fortuna prerelease event

And so Biz references that many Tenno helping him

[stiff fable]

the idea is that more and more Tenno are waking up, and the true number is inestimably huge but also vague

[keen latch]

There are also tenno in support roles. Like weaponsmiths and whatnot. Referenced in item-lore.

[stiff fable]

tru

[lean garden]

part of me feels like theyre the same "Tenno" as the kind that runs the relays

which is to say, part of the Tenno faction, but not Tenno™

because child soldiers are easy? But child artisan weaponsmiths?

Fancy guns arent iphones, you cant just child labour sweat shop it

[keen latch]

I mean, if they can cut bullets out of the air and perform intense Kata's then they can do weaponsmithing.

Plus they've fought for a very long time, they didn't grow up due to stasis.

[sly pagoda]

Because DE for obvious reasons does not want to define the Tenno population in a firm canon, we likely never will know the crew complement of the Zariman.

But as a physical object id wager it’s likely big enough that if it showed up today in Geostationary orbit. You would be able to see it without a telescope.

[keen latch]

Totally, I bet its own gravity, aside from gravity-generator handwaving, is enough to actually cling to.

[lean garden]

I mean, if Star Destroyers in Star Wars can be seen from the ground in orbit, you can see the zariman

[sly pagoda]

I mean not that id want to see the Zariman. It and its void angels can very much stay on their side of the 4th wall.

[keen latch]

You can get a clear view of the Zariman from Duviri. Though distance is hard to guage as I wouldn't put it past the void to always keep it at the same distance to you if you lack the means to open a portal.

Like the forbidden city in Dragon age.

Another fun thing is that this Zariman is another version of it. The "original" one to the timeline was retrieved and decommissioned. This one is one that was never rescued from the void.

[blissful merlin]

So the one that reappeared for angels was the duviri one?

[keen latch]

That would be the drifter's zariman. Which is the same Zariman as the operators up until the deal with Wally.

[lean garden]

Im going to yote the 3 zariman theory at your forehead

[blissful merlin]

So…the duviri one? Cuz isn’t the one connecting duviri the drifters as well?

[lean garden]

theres 1 zariman facing inwards in duviri, 1 zariman facing outwards in Origin, and that 1 pristine zariman they found

[keen latch]

I've got a big forehead but I'm not sure you could land the Zariman on it

I've partial to 2 experienced Zarimans. The "current" one seems to be the bridge to Duviri. Though you do seem to experience another instance on it on the Duviri side I'll admit. Judging by the components of it strewn about the isles and the hydroponics bay being only accessible through the door.

Though you can see it on the origin side of the Zariman.

[keen latch]

But I could buy the two Zarimans overlapping in space/time.

The Zariman is just one big liminal space.

[lean garden]

Based on how the zariman is described by the operator end, as well as the operator flashback-timeloop in TNW, either:
a) there was somehow 3 zarimans
b) ember codex is retconned

[rotund tinsel]

Probably left unconfirmed so they can keep adding Warframes with tenno related backstorys,the zariman is a MASSIVE ship so I imagine there wouldn't be like 52 tenno

[lean garden]

because we know from the TNW timeloop that the Zariman was most definitely not in the condition the ember prime codex claims it was

[lean garden]

I mean, its not like there existed one of every warframe

we see multiple of the same primes deployed at lua during the Erra quest

[keen latch]

They mass-produced warframes of various models. This has been confirmed.

[rotund tinsel]

Fair, temple doesn't have one,due to that thing with flare and Lizzie

[lean garden]

Not anymore since we can make the bugger

[rotund tinsel]

🗣️🔥🔥🔥

[lean garden]

by the KIM?

[keen latch]

Yes

[blissful merlin]

As Yonta likes to say “This place is like an embassy. Playing host to misfit realities that were never chosen."

[keen latch]

iirc someone was worried we infested a person for each frame. Which while technically true for the original versions, the rest were cloned/fabricated from those.

[rotund tinsel]

I thought so,cause of the rakkham skin for hyrdoid and that skin for Sevagoth,the descriptions treat it like a completely different version of the 2

[rotund tinsel]

I may have mixed up the names cause idk if rakkham was hyrdoid or sev

[blissful merlin]

You think that was through using more human hosts or the foundry blueprint thingy testing different skins for them or something. Idk how to directly describe it lol.

[keen latch]

I imagine getting the temple designs involved getting Flare to post up while we took their measurements and sampled their DNA or something. To make a blueprint from them.

[rotund tinsel]

Can imagine a alternative where Lizzie made a blueprint

[keen latch]

Though the temple-strain was one that wasn't deployed until it was used on Flare who become the first Temple.

[rotund tinsel]

Imagine watching a guitar trying to draw

[keen latch]

I'd buy it, she has hands.

And a way with words.

[lean garden]

Oh quincy

[rotund tinsel]

Oh god,imagine human limbs on Lizzie

[keen latch]

Look at her fretboards. Those are limbs.

[lean garden]

I was looking at Amir, who will only tell you that there can be multiple of a single warframe if you ask him if he's single

[rotund tinsel]

I'm not gonna look cause if I do I won't unsee it later

I believe you though

[keen latch]

Though I think the term is necks, here. A fretboard would be the perpendicular lines on the neck.

Also Lizzie isn't from the temple strain. But from Flare's techrot infested blood getting on their guitar and infesting it.

Which then became incorporated into Temple.

[rotund tinsel]

Imagine bleeding and suddenly cascades into making a mandatory object for a indirect clone of your enhanced state

[keen latch]

Then imagine that thing becomes flirty and you have to come to terms with some baggage you've got buried under there lol.

As is the case with Lizzy lol.

[rotund tinsel]

Seen so many people do hear me outs with Lizzie and I understand why but why a guitar

[keen latch]

The only guitar that could play "While my guitar gently weeps" and actually weep.

[rotund tinsel]

Only guitar that could play a cover of the only thing they fear is you while the title is completely accurate

[keen latch]

The best thing it could offer is cosmic-oneness but I still would rather not want to join the infestation. Even if I could keep my subjectivity.

Though if it was a choice between the infestation and the flood I'd choose the infestation.

I would request that I remain hot though.

[dire mountain]

If it was a choice between the flood and infestation id request the helminth strain in a heartbeat

[keen latch]

Both have compound-overminds that transcend time. But the flood actively wants you to suffer for the rest of your eternal existence.

You thought getting consumed by the flood was the end of the pain? No, it keeps your mind around in the gestalt. While it makes you suffer, forever.

[dire mountain]

Helminth at least lets me have some of my free will and I might become like awesome dinosaur guy. Any other strain I'd be iffy on

[blissful merlin]

Did albrecht choose which strain to give to people? Like was there an Excalibur specific one? A mag one? A volt one? Or did he just inject randoms with the helminth strain and the strain chose for them what frame they’d manifest to be? Was it ever really explained?

[keen latch]

Helmnith was designed to preserve your mind, and the infestation, through Lizzie, has stated that they aren't the one hollowing out the minds of the warframes.

[keen latch]

Yes, there was an external websites listing their batch strains used.

[blissful merlin]

So he had specific strains for specific frames in mind? Like he could’ve injected Amir with an Excalibur one?

[stiff fable]

yes

[blissful merlin]

Very interesting

[stiff fable]

But there's a compatibility aspect to it

He could have injected Amir with Excalibur and seen it not work or just kill him

[keen latch]

Exactly, so he found the gruff englishman named "NIghtengale" and was like, "Yup, that's Excalibur alright".

[blissful merlin]

I was told from my clan it was the helmith that chose their frames specifics. Like how Minerva was “toxic” before taking the strain. But albrecth already having said strain of a specific frame is way more interesting to me

[keen latch]

Also his name is Arthur

Like it couldn't be more on the nose unless his name was Pendragon.

[stiff fable]

That's why Flare has Temple

[blissful merlin]

I know…but it’s just asking if like Amir or someone else was injected with the specific strain for Excalibur. If that would’ve worked.

[stiff fable]

Temple was based on Flare in the first place

[keen latch]

True, in theory it could've worked. But I don't think Amir would've studied the blade enough and probably would've lost himself.

[blissful merlin]

Very interesting…

This is 10000000% more interesting than I was told to believe by my clan lmao

[keen latch]

There we at least two different excalibur seed-persons in the Orokin era. The original Excal prime and Umbra.

[blissful merlin]

Were there multiple batches of the same frame during the orokin era as well? Like multiple of the same frame injected within human subjects? Or was it just one person subjected to the helminth strain and then copied via foundry

[keen latch]

In theory, but it was stated that the majority of frames after their original versions were cloned/fabricated.

Because again they were mass produced.

[blissful merlin]

Right…makes you wonder how many civilian’s were subjected to it. Even kids. Def dax soldiers…

[keen latch]

There was also entire lines of warframes before the tenno that ended up getting destroyed due to the Orokin losing control of them. Excalibur was the first warframe. But you have frames like Kullervo who never had an operator and was an independant warframe until it was banished.

Oh yeah it's explicity stated the Orokin took humanities best and brightest, volunteers or not.

[blissful merlin]

The prime trailers make it even worse

[keen latch]

Yureli Prime was stated to be a girl that Ballas wanted to wear the face of until she mocked him and he subjected her to Warframization instead.

[blissful merlin]

With ballas describing how most of their transformations went. Or how he chose them or whatever.

[blissful merlin]

Yep she was the first to come to mind. Her laugh in the trailer…

[keen latch]

Dagath was the unicorn to two Orokin officials. She was a Dax and couldn't say no. Which is many levels of disgusting.

[blissful merlin]

I feel so bad for her

[keen latch]

She got mortally wounded and in pleading those Orokin turned to Ballas to turn her into a warframe, eventually they shot her face (and most of her head) out.

She did remain an independent warframe too, eventually encountering Dagath (grandmother) and taking her name.

Dante was also another indi warframe.

[blissful merlin]

Jades story always destroys me.
Even after becoming a warframe, she still acted as a mother figure to the Tenno who transferred into her.

That poses another question…how did the Orokin elite select a frame for a Tenno? You think it was personality based or randomly assigned?

[keen latch]

Probably accomplishments, abilities, personalities, and their whims.

Plenty of dax, then you have scientists, an alchemist, a clown, and so on.

[blissful merlin]

Yea…just thinking of how they’d pair those frames with a Tenno…how they directed each one to transfer into a specific frame and if they stuck with those frames…

[keen latch]

Oh the tenno pairing? I imagine it's probably just aptitude or random chance.

There we tenno schools and whatnot where they developed the tenno arts.

They also tortured the frames and the tenno.

[blissful merlin]

Yea I wonder if those helped in the specific frames they were transferred to

[lean garden]

"We have a kid free? Pair up bozo"

[sage moat]

i imagine warframes go insane partially because they're. people.

if you lost your voice and your autonomy and heard whispers from a hivemind and were forced onto a battlefield i doubt your sanity would be preserved

[blissful merlin]

The kiddo transferring into them feels like the most pleasant experience they get get out of that lol

[blissful merlin]

Plus your voice only being screams and mumbled and maybe writing…yea I would go insane myself.

[keen latch]

The tenno are said to take away the pain of existence when they transfer in. But they also do it by pure proximity too as evidenced by the Rhino Prime story.

I wonder if the frames "infested madness" is due to the inability to handle the collective connection. Or due to the void hollowing them out. Because again Lizzie states that they aren't the ones doing it.

[blissful merlin]

They weren’t even in pods were they? Just cryo pods? Not transference specific pods?

I know the transference pods also made them cryo but during the time rhino went raging in were they in said pods? Or just temporary cryo ones

[keen latch]

Nope, holding/containment cells as they hadn't figured out the utility for Tenno with the frames. This is also before they developed transference tech from studying the tenno.

[blissful merlin]

Ahhh I see

[keen latch]

They were trying to figure out how to dispose of the tenno at the time.

[lean garden]

I dont think the void is responsible for them being "hollowed out", but I do think that lizzie doesnt understand the effects of expanding your consciousness

[keen latch]

Spread like so much butter over too much bread.

[blissful merlin]

So the Rhino charging in just stopped randomly cuz a Tenno in that room transferred into it? Or they just sense the void beings and immediately calmed down?

[lean garden]

Consider the borg drone, part of the whole, cant do squat without the whole

[keen latch]

They didn't transfer, they just stopped at their cell and calmed down/returned to docility.

Via proximity of that tenno.

[blissful merlin]

So it was sensing the void beings in the chambers?

[keen latch]

It's possible, it's why I said they possubly weren't equipped to handle the connection to the infestation. But the other part is that the warframes are explicitly designed to channel the void. They're connected whether they want to or not.

The energy that the Warframes use is void energy.

Which also has other terrifying implications for the infestation. Like, if they really want to, could probably devise a method to infest tenno voidflesh.

Or consume them somehow.

Because the tenno aren't made out of regular flesh and blood anymore. The Holdfast explicitly call out the tenno voidbodies.

It's always why they can walk through heavily infested areas with no ill effects.

Or just get shot and walk it off.

Without the benefit of a Warframe, mind you.

[keen latch]

Oh and the infestation is explicitly aware of|| the indifference, which they term "the smiling one".||

[brittle siren]

Wait
Did Wally ever say he made Duviri for us?

[brittle siren]

Btw who name him "the lidless one"?

[keen latch]

Red Veil.

[dusk temple]

Okay, so, I have the Warframe Companion app, and I was just looking through my Warframe codex in the app. And when I read the codex entries for Rhino and Ember Prime they had information about people who found the Zariman???

[sly pagoda]

There is a dance track that makes me think of Duviri. Lena Leon "Spiral".
Like EDM is not big on lyrics but just this bit makes me think of our lovely little pocket dimension of "joy"

And it′s true
I've got nowhere to run
Fall into the spiral```

[sly pagoda]

yes though I think the Orokin redacted most of the records about the Zariman being found.

[dusk temple]

I’ve gone through all of the prime frame codices and Ember and Rhino seem to be the only ones.

[lean garden]

yea those are old

[sly pagoda]

yeah they are first batch of primes with Frost being the oldest mainline Prime.

Mainline meaning anybody could buy him at release. Excal Prime was founders only.

[sage moat]

relevant question for isleweaver --- is wally a representation of the entire void or just a particularly powerful void manifestation

because he says he's the former but all evidence beforehand was pointing to the latter, and now im landing somewhere in the middle

[lean garden]

how familiar are you with id ego superego

[sage moat]

ive taken an introduction to psychology class and i personally hate the concept both in warframe and out, but go on

[glacial bough]

Both could be true, there's no real answer

[sage moat]

i know im just asking for people's own theories

[lean garden]

void - id
wally - ego
wally's copied forms, specifically albrecht's - super ego

wally will say he's all the void, because thats what he was

but now hes gone from a what to a who

things were simplier when he was not-him

[sage moat]

i can see it

i disagree but my disagreement doesn't come from any hard evidence

[hybrid silo]

How powerful is the man in the wall?

[lean garden]

Quite, but is weak to old man yaoi

[feral cape]

As powerful as you believe him to be

[gentle wave]

In the Warframe Lore, who is the weakest frame and the strongest frame using habilities or physical force and weapons?

[restive river]

Yareli is the weakest frame physically
Chroma is stated to be the strongest but. Isn’t in gameplay
Can’t really powerscale the frames easily cause it’s all variable

Like
Who’s the fastest? Physically strongest? Physically more enduring?
There’s too much

Like Limbo can just
Slip into the veil for example, what are you gonna do against that???

[gentle wave]

Use My autism to do a parry in case limbo uses the Nova

[graceful swan]

Weaponized Autism

[brittle siren]

Xaku could be one of the most powerful due to their "almost" indestructible capabilities and connections to the Void

[feral cape]

Strength in what way?

In a contest of sheer unadulterated brute force its rhino

[graceful swan]

Chroma is called one of the strongest not the strongest

[feral cape]

They also say when all is dust only chroma will be left standing

[desert tendon]

huh? I don't know but for some reason I had feeling that Oraxia is former Neci Rusalka or I'm wrong

[brittle siren]

Yeah cuz his dragon mantle will take all the hit

While his real body run away

[tribal cape]

I thought Atlas is the strongest 😛

Always portrayed as heavy lifter for sure

[fallen oxide]

Should we really trust everything that wally is saying?

[graceful swan]

No

[brittle siren]

Most of it is valid, but some is lied

[lean garden]

youd be wrong because uh, how?

oraxia has 2 arms

and neci's body is right there being puppetted by wally

[tawdry wagon]

Can we please talk about this

[tall echo]

Drifter was repeatedly killed in duviri, wally lost fingies to albrecht

[proper barn]

It's Wally speaking through.

But that isn't that wild.

[finite python]

Which warframe besides Dagath, Kullervo and Excal Umb had it hard asf

[graceful swan]

Literally all original frames were drugged tortured eviscerated and hand their minds brutalised

[midnight niche]

Yeah pretty sure the idea is they all technically have the capacity for autonomy like umbra but they're all so far gone that they just don't

[rich stump]

Jade tbh

Being pregnant for idek how many centuries has gotta suck

[dusk temple]

Stalker has it rough as well. Everyone kinda forgets he’s a Warframe. He had to watch Jade slowly die for centuries and has basically sold himself into indentured servitude to Hunhow.

[rich stump]

True

[north jolt]

He doesn't have to order Pizza from Dominos, he can make his own Dominos pizza

[graceful swan]

If we lose this happens trust

[north jolt]

Blitz Eximus

[north jolt]

Did you make this?

[graceful swan]

Nah

[north jolt]

dang

[sage moat]

just did the silver grove quest. are ghosts real or did silvana like... transfer into a tree?

[graceful swan]

She did in fact transfer into a tree but ghosts are still real

[proper barn]

2nd.

Ghosts are also real though.

[sage moat]

this game is so good

[proper barn]

Rells Quest is a ghost story. Also Rell held down Wally for like 1000+ years. It's such a accomplishment. Like I always talked about how that was such a impressive feat so when it was actively stated in the recap PC and how like that actually matters a lot I was happy.

[sage moat]

well that's not entirely ghosts that's like void stuff

void stuff blurs the line between life and death often

[tall echo]

It pretty much is ghosts

Also there's ghosts in one lua tile

[proper barn]

Isn't that what Ghosts are?

[sage moat]

fair point

[proper barn]

Like left overs of people that are gone

[tall echo]

There's also the voice capable of opening doors in coh

[sage moat]

the difference between "an eternally living dead soul" and "an eternally living dead person whose eternally living because void" is negligible

negligable?

ible

[tall echo]

Nergigante

[normal mountain]

Had it right the first time
Negligible

[earnest sedge]

So when are we gonna tell Neci’s parents that she’s in Duviri?

[tall echo]

What little is left of her*

[keen latch]

You can, but the scripting is a bit limited at the moment. || You'll need to get her parents back together and get them to mention code phrases, then you need to gather all of the Isleweaver fragments to get a mystery transmission from Neci that you can then mention to her folks. Though this is only checked once at the moment and thus is very likely broken for you if you're up to date on KIM. ||

[proven ridge]

what the-

[north jolt]

I forgot we literally see ghosts on certain Lua maps

[leaden goblet]

I have a question, i have just know completed both the New War and Duviri's Paradox. And while I'm extremely confused in the latter I have another question first... What is Nasmer? The thing that gave the name to ||Ballas's empire... Is it a person in Game? Or just a cool name that ballas just felt that suited||

[tall echo]

It's just what ballas named the empire

Though in real history narmer is the name of a pharaoh who united egypt iirc, which thematically kinda fits

[leaden goblet]

Yeah, gotta give that ... Unlikable person the benefit that he knew how to name things

[novel escarp]

considering both their spots. I'd rather lose some fingers

[humble sierra]

The Orokin do have a lot of Egyptian aesthetics, with their hair and some of their theming like the Obols, so it was definitely intentional

[north jolt]

Okay so Im doing daily Kim messages talking to my ADHD bf and he asked a really good question I haven't thought about before

Who's actually making (or did make) the games in Warframe like Frame Fighter or Happy Zephyr?

Where TF are the in universe game devs hiding?

[cunning tapir]

....Totally not headcanoning that Amir developed it as a warframe in the present day era

[hollow nest]

ok. im so confused. after 2 years i realize i dont actaully know WHAT the duviri paradox is

yeah so drifter creates duviri using void fkry but what is the paradox portion of duviri? how does it relate to the timeline?

i thought TL;DR, new war happens, lotus hand falls, drifter escapes. Saves origin system.
question 1. Why was drifter able to exist, what happened to the operator
question 2. I know the answer is eternalism but i need someone to explain, why can only either drifter or operator exist

[glacial bough]

The Paradox is how Drifter escapse. They can only escape thanks to the help of the Operator, and Operator can only help because Drifter escapes to help them

[hollow nest]

how does operator help, i thought it was just the lotus hand

[woven coyote]

The several segments where the operator helps drifter find the doll pieces

[cunning tapir]

You know those examples from the quizzes about Eternalism?
How if a kid has to press a button to save their mom or dad? Eternalism is that both parents live and both parents die?

When the Tenno took the deal with TMITW, their personal timeline split.
The Zariman child escaped the void.
The Zariman child was trapped in the void.
Drifter said it best. "You're the me that got rescued from this shit. And I'm the you that did not."

Imagine 2 Alternate Universe people existing as 1 person who can swap back and forth.
That's the Tenno. (Or the Tenno you're playing as, at least.)

[restive river]

Same person
Different paths
Swapping their position in realspace cause they can’t exist at the same time/place unless it’s like
The void (Zariman, edge of Wally’s domain in whispers)

[hollow nest]

ah i see

[brittle siren]

Wait you need to collect what now

[tall echo]

The new lore fragments in isleweaver

[brittle siren]

I mean if you collect all you get a hidden msg from Neci right?

[tall echo]

Collect all and get one specific velimin convo

[brittle siren]

When they are come back together?

[tall echo]

The one about crossroads and eclipse

[brittle siren]

Hmm

Idk if I even have that

somehow bee still exist in the present day