lore-discussion

[hexed oxide]

ARCANES

[normal mountain]

Watch Arcane Arachne skyrocket in demand

or has it already?

[hexed oxide]

im sure it has happened...will happen

im sure it didn't have these prices...

[restive river]

So glad I got one maxed already

[restive river]

I wanna say it has def gone up

[hexed oxide]

im sure they were all lower than 200, because i was checking every week

[glacial yacht]

Transference is a real life phenomenon!!!!

[tall echo]

Not how it works in the game but still interesting

[feral cape]

You won't believe who produced this theory

I'll give a singular hint its everyone's favorite Psychoanalysist

It's freud

Its always Freud

[restive river]

AI overview ):

[hexed oxide]

vine boom sound effect

[acoustic epoch]

||Anyone else thing the void tongue sounds like the world serpent in gow||

[tame lagoon]

Can anybody help me farm baruuk prime blueprint

[graceful swan]

#squad-recruitment

[high bay]

Because I am an uber nerd, I wonder if Corpus on a given planet have opinions of Corpus on other planets(e.g. Jokket from Neptune thinks the Corpus on Jupiter are seven sorts of insane and Jokket from Neptune would politely like to stay as far away from Jupiter as possible)

[chrome frost]

So I'm sitting here on my 10th cup of coffee and 3 hours of sleep, and a thought came to my head. If the technocyte coda were the first semi successful clones to ever get created (timelinevise) before inevitably becoming unstable and morphing into what we see them as when fighting them, who's to say that the orokin didn't use the same concept when working with the grineer? What if the grineer are controlled infestation meeting the genetic code made by the orokin? The only proof I have is that the grineer in the orbit of saturn drop nano spores (which if I remember correctly could be considered as Infested flesh)

[chrome frost]

Hmmm would make sense, if you're on jupiter you're working for salad V, and that can't be good for your mental health

[high bay]

An even funnier idea, Phobos is where the Corpus higher ups send people they want gone but don’t want to bother Solaris-ing them

[chrome frost]

Hey don't diss my man Sergant like that! He's the 2nd hardest working corpus there is and is the hardest boss in game!

[high bay]

The Sergeant is a grizzled veteran, and the only one the Board trusts to keep Phobos at least somewhat running

Phobos is either Corpus Window Sitting or boot camp

[chrome frost]

Jokes aside I believe that they give those people to the orokin turned corpus (if hunhow's description is to be trusted) called Alad V for experiments

For instance the creation of amalgams. I refuse to believe that he made them without using any corpus workers and or moas

[normal mountain]

Very likely
Nora even comments on no one hearing about his 'project in the clouds'

[high bay]

to the orokin turned corpus (if hunhow’s description is to be trusted)
The Sentients basically call anything human an orokin

[normal mountain]

the line about a cast-iron NDA was especially funny the first 10 times I heard it

[chrome frost]

Frickin racist robotic punks! Back in my day we used to make Cephalons without all of this ai crap but noooo we must break the rule number one!

[high bay]

Ay look, you gotta admit, Hunhow has it going on

[normal mountain]

[silk atlas]

Sounds like way more work and hassle dealing with the Infestation compared to just kidnapping some slaves-to-be and printing out way more copies of that person.

The Infestation isn't there first choice for a lot of things, like how they made Necramechs before the Warframes

[chrome frost]

But didn't orokin modify grineer to be stronger, dumber and more obedient?

[chrome frost]

Fair enough

[silk atlas]

Doesn't mean they need the Infestation to do that

And why introduce the Infestation to begin with when gene editing is already accessible and reliable enough to be a viable option?

[proper barn]

No?

[proper barn]

They actually did the opposite.

[chrome frost]

..huh

[proper barn]

Well for the dumber and more obedient part. Okay so originally grinner where a clone workforce that barely thought for themselves.

When one of them accidentally kills a sentient they use his genes to make a stronger grinner that can listen to more complex orders even lead squads of grinner.

[chrome frost]

Yeah, I know, there was a codex thingie written from the perspective of one of the grineer, they're kinda on the level of a gullible child when it comes to their iq

[proper barn]

You would have to be smarter not dumber to be able to use guns and command troops and drive starships.

[proper barn]

That was literally the worker before the soilder.

[chrome frost]

The gene father so to speak?

[proper barn]

They literally have to be smarter and have more free will to do war and command troops.

[proper barn]

No cuz he's still a grinner.

Still a clone. Just the one they used for the first grinner Soilders.

[chrome frost]

Yeah but wasn't he used as a template by the orokin for other grineer soldiers due to his aggression being considered a defect?

[proper barn]

Anyway the whole reason the grinner could rebel is cuz of much like more independent and more complex the Orokin made them for war.

[proper barn]

He wasn't aggressive he just killed a sentient that was attacking him.

[proper barn]

Like the grinner didn't start to rebel until after they where like improved to be able to be soilders to lead squads of grinner to be soilders under the Dax.

[proper barn]

Also they still improve grinner now like they take the gene tags and based on how they died improve the next batch.

[keen timber]

one of them does this mid fight- let the one amalgam with the weird tongue-tail hover around crewman for a bit... and be ready for the results to be slightly hardier

[high bay]

How vulnerable would the Orokin, at their height, be to Slaanesh?

[hexed oxide]

Idk about 40k lore but isn't her a god ?

[proper barn]

Very but they would also be vulnerable to all of them. Like I think they would be least vulnerable to Khorne and then very vulnerable to nurgle tezhence and Slaanesh.

[high bay]

…they would be least vulnerable to Khorne…
Didn’t they stage regional conflicts using genocidal mercs on both sides?(Ordan Karris)

[chrome frost]

Tzeentch and slaanesh are understandable....nurgle on the other hand is a straight up no for your regular orokin elite in my opinion cuz nurglights or followers of nurgle tend to look like abominations, and the orokin wouldn't want to loose their drip

I personally can see them selling their souls directly or indirectly to slaanesh because the orokin seem to be really excessive, be it in things carnal or otherwise

[high bay]

Grandpa Nurgle may be known as a plague bearer, but he’s also a deity of stagnation, a sin of which the Orokin expressed in multitudes

[chrome frost]

Meh, I still think they'd prefer slaanesh. In my head the alignments would go something like this

Orokin-slaanesh/tzeentch

Grineer-Khorne and or nurgle (it really depends on wether the individual grineer is more bloodthirsty or concerned about his/her own condition)

Corpus-tzeentch or Vashtorr

The infestation-either worships Noone (acts like the tyranids) or ends up worshipping nurgle to become more potent

[high bay]

Most definitely, the Orokin were, in their very essence, an empire of avarice and excess; the constant body markets, the seemingly infinite lives through the use of Kuva, the gold plating of every instrument would most certainly draw the eye of Slaanesh

I would argue that the Corpus would also be victims of Slaanesh, have you seen the extents the ruthless profiteers of the Cult of Profit would go to just for a small sum of credits? They worship the very concept of excess

[proper barn]

Nurgle is the God of immortality the god that knows all illness and disease and how to cure them. Orokin have a ungodly fear of death.

It's why they do continuity

[proper barn]

Slaanesh I see them more going towards her for their endless need for prefection than the excess though it could be both. Also the orokin do have a endless want to horde knowledge they just don't want the poors to use it.

[chrome frost]

Ultimately it doesn't really matter cuz wally will woop all 4 of them if the battle comes to his territory due to the fact that while the 4 chaos gods need worship to operate wally runs on "I think therefor you ain't" logic

[proper barn]

I feel like we go to the like extreme flashy end of all the chaos gods and dont release like the all have a very like relatable like base. Like a musician that wants to be the best would be weak to slaanesh cuz they want perfection. Like its why flawless blades is a slaanesh unit cuz they want to be prefect. Nurgles like base line is actually nature and healing and life even. Khorne is honor and courge. Tenzch is learning and teaching and the pursit of knowledge. They just at the end are too extreme but you are thinking about how a follower looks like at the end of their journey not the start. So many nurgle followers are lured by promises of eternal life or that they want to cure some virus that is going througg their village. @high bay @chrome frost

[jaunty siren]

lorewise how strong is efervon and how will that tech fare in the origin systen

[high bay]

So far as I understand, Effervon’s primary usage in Scaldra’s arsenal is its exceptional corrosive properties, being able to eat through Techrot chitin. There’s also Effervon’s apparent ability to produce noxious gas, which is readily able to interfere with Techrot functions

[high bay]

As for comparable irl substances, I’m not a chemistry major or a biology major, so idk the specific name of the chemical, firing from the hip I would assume Effervon is at least corrosive enough to eat through silicon and/or copper and/or whatever other substances make up computer parts

[restive river]

It’s also how they make the environment unbearable for citizens allowing for Scaldra and it’s supporters to move in

[frank condor]

is flare a they/them because of lizzie or were they a they/them before

[strange plinth]

they were nonbinary before. lizzie is separate

[frank condor]

okay i wasnt sure

[high bay]

If I may offer condolences as a he/they enby, it’s better to ask and be wrong and be humble about it, than go on not knowing and meeting someone more belligerent

[proper barn]

Lizzie is she/her even

[humble sierra]

Yeah and despite being symbiotic, Lizzie and Flare are more like separate, individual entities. Kinda like Venom and Eddie Brock.

[wanton mauve]

omg, what if I don't like any of the ||Operator's head|| choices?

ew

[restive river]

You can try blending them
But
If you really don’t like anything either look at what others have done or just have the hood on at all times

[wanton mauve]

I dont see the brown paper bag hood option anywhere

[normal mountain]

It's in the outfit section, not the face section

[spice spade]

Why does lotus just stand on the edge of sanctum anatomica

[strange plinth]

"It is hungry, Tenno. And I... am a distraction."

[spice spade]

So she’s soloing the man in the wall

She’s an icon omg

[humble sierra]

If you played at launch of Lotus Eaters, this track was the log in music

https://youtu.be/M9lxNEMrb5I?feature=shared

Since the quest is about you going there because you heard a noise, it's entirely possible her singing is what "woke you" up (made you log-in)

And her presence is what's driving back the Indifference— supported by the fact the Lotus Eaters track starts with some Murmur noises before being cut off by the singing, which then becomes the Tenno's "This is What You Are" track

[humble sierra]

<@&778745217037238293>

Thanks in advance

[tall echo]

Woah even mods got a gradient role color now

[ashen pulsar]

||Use your drifter||

Also, #spoiler-chat

OHHHHH I FORGOT

I’ll spoiler tag that then

[worldly spoke]

who is E?

[crisp sluice]

Eulalia (I think that’s how it’s spelled?)
Albrecht Entrati’s daughter

||also known as Mother/Goimatru from the Necralisk||

[tall echo]

Euleria, the person that the voice explaining eternalism during that segment belongs to

[humble sierra]

And also the author of the story book that ||Duviri|| spawned from

[ashen pulsar]

And your science class textbook

Conceptual embodiment lady

[humble sierra]

Yeah that's what >>Crafter<< is on right now

[spice spade]

Omg she’s a queen

[worldly spoke]

didnt know that it was her nice
(altho still havent finished entrati standings)

[tall echo]

Literally

She's considered the queen of the sentients by multiple characters

[spice spade]

i stan

i wish the quests were more about that

[proper barn]

Mimic queen specifically

[spice spade]

She’s the queen of the warframe universe

Canon

[brittle siren]

I think every role have it

[tall echo]

Well, she's referred to as the general sentient queen by like two characters iirc

[strange turtle]

It’ll probably become more relevant when we get more Narmer and Tau stuff

[chrome frost]

So uh... from what I know the orokin forbid any use of ai (with the sentients being the only exception) cuz "all ai is bound to overthrow its creators"...and then we have the orokin towers, giant biomechanical creatures which are apparently alive and sentient (atleadt the Unum is) which brings in 4 rather disturbing possibilities.... either
A) the intelligence emerged naturally creating a creature forever bound to one spot

B)Some 3rd party creature merged with the unum thus making it sentient and alive

C)A Cephalon was fused to the tower to be utilized as an ai to control the tower

Or D)the entire tower (it's fleshy bits) are connected to some poor sod who's body the orokin fused to the tower, creating an "I have no mouth and I must scream" kind of creature where they knew freedom before but due to the orokin cruelty got forced into a most likely painful mutation which lead to them being forced into a single place with little to no control over their movements

[tall echo]

So far only the unum is confirmed to be alive and sentient

[sly pagoda]

That could have ties to transference

Someone else managed to upload into the forests. I think that was Titania lore?

[restive river]

Sylvana

She transferred into a forest

It could be the Orokin towers are made with transference for the consciousness
But we don’t know when the towers first came to be

[sly pagoda]

True. We know the ones in the void were prepper bunkers but not ones like the Unum.

[restive river]

We know Unum is the last of her kind and that at least one other tower is in Earth’s orbit (railjack free roam)

I do hope we get some cool stuff with Unum soon :)

[sly pagoda]

Maybe they existed to observe areas of Earth

[restive river]

Maybe

[sly pagoda]

But yeah would be nice to get more on the Unum. And if all towers became self aware with odd abilities. Or if that was just this one being aware and able to freeze time

[restive river]

Most we know about her
She gay
She’s alive and sentient
She can stop and see through time
The mirror princess story is probably about her and if it is, she knows of Wally

I can see an eventual node where we go inside her again for whatever reason

[sly pagoda]

Pulled from the wiki, she does have a pretty big basement so certainly room to work with for future stuff.

Stupidity time. The full view makes me wonder if shes actually a ship that can serve as a structure when landed, Those elevated arms remind me a lot of service gantries.

[ashen pulsar]

gay?

[sly pagoda]

Gara

[restive river]

Her and Gara

[restive river]

I can see the Orokin making the towers in space and landing them where they need to be

[ashen pulsar]

woa

lesbian tower

[restive river]

Lesbian tower! :D

[sly pagoda]

https://wiki.warframe.com/w/Fragments/Glass

Onkko Transmission
"The Sentient, torn between its coveted prize and a mortal threat, broke from the Tower and turned back on itself from noble Gara. But Gara's eyes were not for the Sentient - but for the glittering, man-sized device resting just beyond the gates. It had not been there before, but it was there now. It swatted Gara from the sky, drew it to herself, meaning to end her life there and then. The battle was terrible. Gara sustained injuries she would not survive. But! In her final moments brave Gara seized upon the device her beloved Unum had crafted, seized it to her breast, and allowed the Sentient to draw her in one final time. Toward its core. Toward the seat of its intelligence. From within the Sentient unfurled myriad feelers, probles, tendrils - viciously-toothed and made for killing. They swept towards Gara, violently, and the Glass Warrior made no defense. Her defense was her final attack. The device detonated, and the Unum cried out as night lit as day. The battle - the terror - was ended. The Tower walls shook. The Sentient's body shuddered, wracked by a cacophonous energy. Forests fell as piece after piece, giant body after giant body crashed to the Plains and marshes and flatlands. Animals fled in spreading waves from pounding sky-high walls of dust, angered and whipped to fury by the death of a god. The last of Gara's energy arced from body-to-body, machine-to-machine, piece-to-piece, a horizon-wide applause of light beautiful and terrible. And then... silence. All was still. The Unum's adherents wandered throughout the haze, calling for one another, lost in a miasma. Husbands seizing onto wives, children onto parents. It was over. Gara was never seen again. The Sentients, then, became as they are now: senseless, wandering, yearning for a unity they sense more than they remember. And the Unum. The Unum survived, alone, for centuries. Until today. When you stand here, reading this. This is Onkko, Cetus Archivist, with my translation of the Gara legend." ```

Gara pulled a “what if food was bomb” with something similar to a tactical nuke.

(Based on night lit as day)

[sick nebula]

The Orokin have a great deal of experience with transferring consciousness from one body to another (it's a core part of their society), so it's definitely doable.

[north jolt]

I knew they had a special relationship but I thought it was platonic? How does that work, was it with the Gara frame herself

[restive river]

I mean it can be romantic but not sexual lol
And I believe the frame herself

[north jolt]

But romantic is still the opposite of platonic :p

[restive river]

Yeah?
I don’t believe it was platonic lol

[north jolt]

I was just saying I didn't know there was anything on that level going on between them, thought the connection they had was just because of Gara being the Unum's assigned guardian

[sage moat]

average dialogue tree in warframe

[chrome frost]

Last time I checked 1 out of 2 bodyguard warframes usually ends up in a relationship with the ones they protect Dagath being that 1 frame that succeeded (albeit before getting transformed) and citrine failing (may be) at the task

[sly ibex]

It was platonic, yes. They were friends.

[sly ibex]

I think Dagath was the only one that did end up in a relationship like that.

That was only because Dagath as a Human was in a relationship with the two, and they wanted to keep her around for it.

Gara wasn't just the Warframe, but a Tenno controlled one, so there's no way there would be a romantic relationship with the Unum there.

[ashen pulsar]

protea didnt

and dagath didn't exactly. she was in a relationship as a dax but was kinda emotionless and distant as a warframe, so it wasnt very romantic

[spice spade]

@vestal egret

Tu peut m'ajouter stp

[vestal egret]

Je suis Mister_Legion ! The only 1!

[spice spade]

Ben je te demande gentillement de changer

[vestal egret]

Hä? Je te demande!!!

[vestal egret]

This Name has won Europe World of Tanks 2015 Cup my Friend!!! And its my name ! Clan LGN !!

[spice spade]

Change it

[vestal egret]

I m on TV dude !!

[vestal egret]

You change it!!

[spice spade]

No sorry

If we don't reach an agreement, I will have to initiate proceedings.

[vestal egret]

Dude I am the winner of Europe Server 2015 WOT , my Clan Name „Legion“my name Mister_Legion! Who are you to Tell me change my name? Don t bother me With your nonsense !! I saw you have my Name and I didn’t t say nothing to you because I don t care , I said “maybe he is my fan” 😁

Go play Minecraft 🤣🤣

When I had this name you weren’t born yet !!

[spice spade]

Ok in this case we will settle it with the lawyers

See you soon

[sudden cave]

double checking: did ||alad v|| die in the new war? or at least, was that implied? i can't remember if he was on same ship as visa venmo velma veso

[humble sierra]

He hasn't had any appearances set after New War, but they confirmed that Peso died.

I think it was implied they were on the same ship since Alad V wanted them to surrender.

[graceful swan]

No, he was commanding a fleet

[lilac aspen]

I doubt Salad Cheese would ever allow himself anywhere on a ship on the battlefront.

Probably much further away on another ship though. Instantly booked it and went into hiding the moment Peso reactivated the ship defenses.

[sudden cave]

followup question: who was dumb enough to put alad v in charge of anything more complicated than a pet rock /s

[graceful swan]

The Corpus Board

[lilac aspen]

Tbf to the Corpus he’s a genius

[sudden cave]

you know, that's fair

[graceful swan]

Was probably chilling on Gas City if anything

DE also don’t like killing of characters permanently

[lilac aspen]

Especially offscreen of all ways

[graceful swan]

Alad is also the master of coming back to life

[lilac aspen]

Clearly just shield gated and pretended to die

[sudden cave]

origin system's favorite cockroach

[graceful swan]

He has Last Gasp and didn’t tell anyone

[lilac aspen]

He did study Warframes
Clearly kept some of their mods for himself

[sudden cave]

no no, he crossed himself with a kavat and now he has nine lives

[graceful swan]

Enemy units do actually use mods

Definitely aren’t very good at modding though

[sudden cave]

wait really? well, i guess we do use a lot of the same guns

probably not warframe mods though...?

[graceful swan]

Most Warframe mods probably aren’t exclusive to Tenno faction

[north jolt]

You know what I'm just gonna call it now

Alad V (if he's currently dead/missing) WILL return at some point via void shenanigans and essentially become Janus key Vor 2.0

[graceful swan]

DE actually did bring up Alad in the Reddit ama

[north jolt]

I didn't know there was a recent ama

But Alad V is the the type to sell someone to Satan for a corn chip so I can easily see him making a deal with Wally for immortality and maybe some cosmic knowledge or powers

[lilac aspen]

Alad V jumping from one bad deal to another

Infestation
Sentients

[north jolt]

I was going to say Grinner but that was a good deal he just screwed up beyond repair

[sudden cave]

i mean... i was assuming they only work on warframes, because warframes are naturally tech-compatible. we have archwing- and necramech-specific mods, too

[sudden cave]

damn, i forgot about this and missed it :( oh well

[graceful swan]

We might’ve got more lore on mods if DE didn’t scrap the Samodeus lore because it wasn’t finished in time

[lilac aspen]

Alad V when he returns covered in some Void

“Ever since the Sentients tried to hunt me down, I had to make a deal to escape them. What do you think, Kiddo?”

[sudden cave]

tbh it seems more likely that he'd try to control the void (et al) for his own purposes and then get bitten in the ass by his own hubris, rather than making a deal (even if the deal is supposed to be predatory)

[lilac aspen]

I think the funniest idea is Alad V just instantly shooting down any deals

Just
“Nah, ain’t falling for this again.”

[sudden cave]

alad v's whole thing is basically
alad: what if i took this dangerous thing i don't understand and messed with it for fun and profit
dangerous thing: [backfires spectacularly in entirely predictable way]
alad: [surprised pikachu face]

just... over and over and over again

[hexed oxide]

there was no way of knowing the sentient robots who betrayed their creators would betray him in any manner

[brittle siren]

This guy just outright saying the 6 Infinity Stone can't kill all the Warframe

https://youtube.com/shorts/I5LlRlXLJsA?si=arHlagqknWLFKcRH

[lean garden]

A big enough bomb could do it LMAO

[hollow granite]

Rhino uses iron skin right before the bomb goes off 😜

[graceful swan]

Wouldn't help

[ashen pulsar]

yeah, parvos nuked like 10 warframes right?

[lean garden]

4

[ashen pulsar]

oh

thats a lil less

[lilac aspen]

Warframes are very much killable

It’s just their pilot that’s annoying as heck to kill

[ashen pulsar]

some are very hard to but infinity stones...

yeah no they aint stronger than infinity stones

[graceful swan]

Iron Skin isn't permanent invulnerability so would get overwhelmed by the bomb

[tall echo]

Depends

[lilac aspen]

To an extent I could dare say Limbo but that’s only because he goes into a realm outside of the universe possibly. Depends on what the Rift counts as.

Which, in some versions of Marvel, negates the stones because they’re outside their universe.

[ashen pulsar]

hypothetically gauss

as always

gauss is very hard to kill.

[tall echo]

Eh

Gauss is not hard to kill with the stones

[ashen pulsar]

whatever you do would have to be instantaneous and inescapable to kill gauss

[hollow granite]

But with a billion overguard

[ashen pulsar]

oh yeah wait I was thinking of the nuke

[north jolt]

"What do you think, kiddetraitors "

[brittle siren]

Technically the og Infinity Stone can literally use in any universe it wanted

And in What If Ultron can use it in other universes too

Also the vid said the WHOLE Marvel couldn't do anything, when Chaos King almost destroyed 98% of the MULTIVERSE

Yeah I think that guy underestimated Marvel by a long shot

[lilac aspen]

I mean yeah if we use the original peak power infinity stones not much could defeat it unless you have a warframe steal them

…
Loki swaps with the stones

[tall echo]

More overestimated warframes

[ashen pulsar]

yeah

[tall echo]

He can only swap with people

[brittle siren]

Also the guy in your pfp, yeah, he could just mop Wally on the floor

[tall echo]

And the target keeps everything on them

[tall echo]

Pridimentio isn't that powerful

[brittle siren]

Oh he very much is, he almost destroyed the universe. I can't remember his feats but at his most powerful he could

[ashen pulsar]

... who?

[tall echo]

My pfp is the basic form, which couldn't do much

[tall echo]

Pride dimentio

[lilac aspen]

Stun period
Yoink them damn things clearly

Jokes aside
Infinity Stones murder the warframes
They can even make it impossible for the operator to do anything.

Even in the off chance the stones can’t kill the operators, nothing is stopping the user from just sending them away or pummeling them

[ashen pulsar]

ohhhhh

[tall echo]

Dimentio also wasn't the universe destruction source, that was the chaos heart

[ashen pulsar]

wait...

protea

[tall echo]

Time stone

[ashen pulsar]

can protea rewind time for everything? or just herself

[tall echo]

Everything

But time stone can nullify that

[ashen pulsar]

true

[lilac aspen]

Imagine Protea traveling back and the Time stone goes

“Excuse me?” Rewinds her rewind.

[brittle siren]

Fair but since we bring the whole universe vs universe, full potential is also account too

Tbh Japanese game scaling really absurd sometime, like Smash Bro have god that can kill everything in many franchise but a single pink blob can kill it

[ashen pulsar]

im imagining a temporal tug-of-war battle

[graceful swan]

Wouldn't her ability just clash with the stone not be nullified by it

[brittle siren]

You know the time stone exist right?

[ashen pulsar]

"NO I WANNA REWIND" "NO YOU CANT I WANNA GO FORWARD"

[brittle siren]

In What If it literally nullified Ultron Time Stop

A Time stone nullified another time stone

[tall echo]

Tbf kirby is kinda a god-killing god himself

[lilac aspen]

In what if Ultron’s time was clashed by another time stone

[tall echo]

The stones are ultimate control

[brittle siren]

Yes but Protea time reset is literally nothing in comparison

Time stone let user have total control of time.

[lilac aspen]

That’s what I mean

[brittle siren]

Heck someone could just use time stone to see into future and know how to beat their opponents

[lilac aspen]

Ultron’s time was only messed up by another time stone in the hands of an extremely buffed up Doctor Strange

[graceful swan]

Tbh the Infinity stones wouldn't even work in the Warframe universe anyway

[lilac aspen]

Strange’s back had to be broken by all that carrying

[tall echo]

Why not

[ashen pulsar]

anyways, my thing about protea would just make them more annoying to kill. even if she could rewind, you'd have to be able to stop it anyways

[brittle siren]

Well in DC it does work, and Capcom

It just, the comic that it appears in DC, Darkseid is the one who Thanos 6 stones against with 💀

[graceful swan]

Because Darkseid got ahold of it when Marvel went to DC universe and gauntlet didn't work

[ashen pulsar]

someone like gauss stealing the stones is your best bet, but he isnt that fast, id bet

[brittle siren]

Tbh with 6 of them, you would be the smartest being in the universe already

[tall echo]

The stones exist and work across universes

[brittle siren]

And fastest too

[ashen pulsar]

you would be able to avoid him easily yeah

[brittle siren]

Did you know the power stone in comic could grant power too

[graceful swan]

Then why didn't it work in the DC universe

[brittle siren]

Yeah it not just a battery, though ppl mainly use it to buff other stones

[tall echo]

Because dc writers can't have their side lose

[brittle siren]

Yeah depend on writter too

Tbf DC and Marvel is rival so they even copy concepts from each other

[graceful swan]

Darkseid wouldn’t beat Thanos with it anyway so that doesn't make sense as the reason

It just doesn't work across fictional universes

[lilac aspen]

Out of all the frames
I think Limbo would be the most annoying because like

The Rift is “Limbo’s Universe” in the sense he can do things within it due to figuring it out. Meaning anything the stone tries to do in there, Limbo could go “Nuh uh”, until the stones are used to punt him out of the Rift

Unironically Dante, Lavos, and Limbo would be the Doctor Stranges in the fight due to their weird knowledge of manipulating laws of stuff. But even then, they’d still get throngled the second they mess up.

[brittle siren]

Actually he would
Darkseid is literally the embodiment of all evil
He by far one of the strongest New God

[brittle siren]

Tbh Limbo rift is still confine in Warframe Universe

So Space Stone or Reality stone could just rewrite his dimensions at will

[graceful swan]

No I mean he wouldn't beat him with it because it doesn't work

[brittle siren]

It still working, but since Darkseid true form is a concept that encompasses the DC multiverse, even if Thanos snap it won't work anyway

[graceful swan]

Yeah

That's true

If the stones came into the Warframe universe it wouldn't work either just like in DC

[brittle siren]

Eh no
It WOULD work. Like in Capcom vs Marvel

You misunderstood my point

[graceful swan]

Darkseid got rid of it because it didn't work

[brittle siren]

No it still work my god, it just Darkseid is a literal embodiment of ALL EVIL

[graceful swan]

I feel this is the writers change their minds on their own rules

[brittle siren]

You cant delete evil

[brittle siren]

Yet most of infinity stone appear in other franchise, it does work, for the sake of bringing it into the verse

[lilac aspen]

The whole Infinity Stones working in different universes is a weird wobbly bridge because the writers can’t settle on it

For this situation
Let’s say the stones do work in the warframe universe.

[brittle siren]

If the argument "but it can only work on it own verse" then literally all reason is false and no point comparing. So we are account if the stone work (also I feel like it a lame reason for "stone could only work in its own universe" so the writers don't have to touch it)

[brittle siren]

Tbh, idk whoever think "let the Living Tribunal destroy all the stones and split them out across the multiverse" is a bright idea, just because they accidentally made it too op

It like the same reason for that child god that can copy TOAA power and pre retcon Beyonder

[lilac aspen]

It’s the same kind of argument used to compare different people from different universes but then going

“Well Blurbo loses to Glorp because Blurbo-Cola, the energy in Blurbo’s universe, doesn’t exist in Glorp’s universe.”

Okay but for this theoretical battle both sides have access to what’s needed to function.

Like for the sake of saying it, Warframes are useless outside of the Warframe universe unless said universe’s Void is 1:1 exact same as Warframe’s Void.

That’s how silly the “well it can’t work outside of its universe” sounds sometimes

[ashen pulsar]

thats like saying The Rock could demolish a wizard with incomprehensible powers because magic doesnt exist in our world

[lilac aspen]

“Guys I would solo the Living Tribunal because he’s just a comic book character in our world.”

[ashen pulsar]

godzilla would be pathetic, it's too big to move itself, would die of hunger VERY quickly, and would sink to the bottom of the ocean anyways.

[brittle siren]

Ah yes I can definitely beat Our Lady who are representing for Guanyin irl

[ashen pulsar]

a giant chunk of radioactive meat.

[brittle siren]

Ngl Shin Godzilla Warframe would be a neat concept

[ashen pulsar]

a frame that mutates the body parts it needs to do smth

[violet storm]

Nidus sitting in the corner:

[lilac aspen]

Considering it’s like a nuclear reactor
The amount of calories needed to live is ridiculous

[ashen pulsar]

well yeah

[brittle siren]

Technically in Monsterverse, Godzilla only need to feed on radioactive energy

Beside Oxygen Destroyer

[lilac aspen]

I mean with that kind of power
Yeah
I, too, would feed on the source of energy that provides a lot of energy

[ashen pulsar]

godzilla would be dead before it could survive a second

that sounds weird

read a book where kaiju have nuclear reactors in their bodies, so if they're damaged too much they go up in a nuclear explosion.

[lilac aspen]

Godzilla’s metabolism must have a “rules for thee but not for me” logic

[ashen pulsar]

yeah

[lilac aspen]

Nidus sitting in his corner during SP (he can’t die due to his stacks)

[ashen pulsar]

anyways, warframe.

I assume by shin godzilla frame you meant that it mutates and changes form as its abilities, right? @brittle siren

[lilac aspen]

Chroma but he becomes Godzilla when

Chromezilla

[woven coyote]

That just sounds like the unholy fusion of two web browsers

[lilac aspen]

Ballas was feeling dangerous that day, okay?

[feral cape]

These are certainly takes of all time

Of all the characters from destiny he picks

The traveler? The one being in destiny fundamentally incapable of combat with everything other than stuff that broke its rules

Its like pitting stuff in a fight against something thats achieved nirvana

Anything in the state of nirvana literally can not fight or it stops being in nirvana

Also I find it funny how he just says the warframes beat all those and then just

Never says how they do it or why they could

[brittle siren]

Even Sentry from MCU only would wipe most warframe, Void could just poof any frame

[graceful swan]

Void vs Void when?

[brittle siren]

Iirc Void in comic is much more terrifying

[graceful swan]

Most things are more dangerous in the comics

[brittle siren]

Though I hate that author keep nerf characters because those are not their favorite

[feral cape]

The thing about allot of battle battle boarding at the scale of everything he listed besides Rick and Morty(i think) is that showing what a character is doing a comprehensive way is really hard

[graceful swan]

Marvel do love nerfing characters just because

[brittle siren]

Like Oblivion is literal the end of all existence and his creator even stated that

Then the later writer proceed to make him a goon

Just because he too op

[feral cape]

For example I can't show a character making an incomprehensible space that exists before space and time that prefigured all of existence

But I can they did that and thats just as good

[brittle siren]

TOAA once the absolute now beaten by slightly buff Thanos because he eat a core of a meteor????

[feral cape]

Its a show dont tell thing but showing does not work so warframes just look stronger

[brittle siren]

And also there's now a opposite version of TOAA: The one below all 🤦

I heard DC do nerf characters but most godlike being are stay the same

Marvel by far has the most inconsistent power scaling ever, due to how many author are there

And they can't just agree with each other

[feral cape]

I know nothing about marvel and dc scaling or there cosmology

https://tenor.com/view/wally-west-speed-the-fastest-gif-10964351368591746710

All I remember is this guy back in 2020 would show up and solo your favorite character

[sly pagoda]

The main way Warframes beat infinity stones is the tenno would actually have shot Thanos in the head. 😉

[tall echo]

Who's saying thanos is the one using them? And while not hidden too?

Don't need to see the people you want to get rid of with the stones

[sly pagoda]

Of course the real power of the stones is they are owned by Disney. For they hold the lawyer stone with the power to sue anyone into oblivion with a snap. 🙂

Truthfully comic book stuff will always exceed most other things because its power is usually whatever is needed in that issue.

[strange turtle]

Am I the only one who never saw him even though I saw loads of this type of thing

I only heard about him because of the newish trend of talking about The Guy Who Solod Your Favourite Character Back In 2020

[sage moat]

is our landing craft just really really fast or is the implication that there's way more in-universe travel time than we see

[woven coyote]

What?

[strange turtle]

Do you mean like

If we actually get to our destinations/nodes as quick as we do in gameplay?

[sage moat]

yes

[woven coyote]

Probably a mix of both

[strange turtle]

We don’t know anything definitive, but it is very very unlikely

Though the Orbiter/Craft’s still pretty fast

[woven coyote]

Junctions take care of the largest distances
Then once in orbit it would just be parking the orbiter and getting the landing craft where it needs to go

[sage moat]

thats right i almost forgot about junctions

[woven coyote]

There was an old radio transmission that was like some grineer checkpoint control and then they detect a landing craft for a second before it escapes

[sly pagoda]

Orbiter and LC have a void cloak

"Attention all ships, uhh, detecting echoes. Stay alert, could be caused by Tenno void masks."

"Tenno ship detected. Ready flak cannons! Shuk! RAMN! Lost it."

Id imagine the cloak flutters when hitting the solar rails

[empty apex]

He was smiling before now he’s frowning dose that mean something?

[sly pagoda]

“Uk-forr-uk (141), please advise, detecting void mask echoes. Tenno ships converging on your signal. Uk-forr-uk, we are still seeing void echoes, announce Tenno contact immediately. Uk-forr-uk, come in. ...Uk-forr-uk, respond."

Reading some of the radio stuff makes the tenno sound like some kind of night terror.

[tall echo]

He angy

[empty apex]

lol yea

[tall echo]

Only like half joking, that is actually what that means, we're interrupting his revenge arc repeatedly

[swift steppe]

how do i scan my dojo wtf

this doesnt make any sense guys

[restive river]

It’s been that way since at least december
Probably longer

[empty apex]

Really I remember it smiling maybe a month ago or sooner

[restive river]

Yeah he’s been like this for a long time lol

[restive river]

Maybe he does sometimes but
Idk I can’t seem to find an image of him smiling there specifically

[restive river]

@empty apex This reply goes to a message from last august

So
It’s been that way since before 1999

[empty apex]

Oh probably

Idk maybe I was seeing things lol

[restive river]

Predates lotus eaters even so it’s just always been that way

[brittle siren]

watching this, I realized the Orokin terraform Venus very well

https://youtu.be/JeKDVARfshg

[tall echo]

Try scanning the planet closest to the left of that one

[brittle siren]

wtf is this

[brittle siren]

also what the point of hacking these computer

it's in the Profit Temple

[brittle siren]

this is so cool

https://youtu.be/MCgR4WQ0Co0

[humble sierra]

Found this in Albrecht's Lab, can someone translate?

[lean garden]

unfortunately its albrecht's chicken scribble

so we cant translate\

[sly pagoda]

that box with dots on it how ever is likely albrecht doing math on how to navigate over long distances.

it always reminds me of how they described the Stargate. needing six points and then a point of origin.

A void jump probably similarly needs six points to find the destination and then point of origin.

at least long ones, Railjack probably just locks onto the related gravity well since its in the same system.

[brittle siren]

I wonder why he drew Wally hand on the wall with the equation

[humble sierra]

Could be some sort of key to understanding or defeating him?

[restive river]

Bro is obsessed
Also I’m not sure but that asset may just be copied over, ik some of his scribbles are just pasted around

[graceful swan]

We already know the key to defeating him

Love

[brittle siren]

And the final blow: True love kiss

[graceful swan]

Indeed

[sly pagoda]

True love, and these guns I found. 😉

perhaps we at some point have to reunite Entrati and Loid to seal out Wally for good.

[stray herald]

well, it just illustrates that big al stole wally's finger

perhaps back then he was looking into a larger scale of stealing if such power is able to stolen to begin with

[swift sentinel]

"Stealing" is a little misleading as the description of the event we have is that the Indifference was reaching through the door when it was shut, severing the finger (which mulitplied at this point, I'm unclear)

Through not giving it back probably does count as stealing, so there is that

[graceful swan]

The door was closed so Albrecht couldn't give them back

Doubt he would want to reopen it after that

[violet storm]

Probably got copied because all Railjack reliquary drives used it. One probably has the og and I’d probably a scrap heap or stranded in the void somewhere

[graceful swan]

Yonta actually says Originals, not Original meaning all the ones we see are clones from them

[violet storm]

So, is this a clone of clones situation with each Reliquary drive?

[graceful swan]

Albrecht cut didgets the didgets were sealed away but cloned

[woven coyote]

Besides what other people pointed out, another problem with saying albrecht stole the finger and wanted to steal more is

He was depressed and so mutilated to the point he just kept floating in those healing baths for a while
Didn't really sound like he had the motivation to do so

[stray herald]

I went on the thought that he wanted an absolute method of eliminating the indifference. scientifically, not psychologically or spiritually

[tall echo]

And stealing its fingers would achieve that? He knows that its only weakness so far is love

[strange turtle]

He only became determined to fight against it later

[strange turtle]

Before that he was just scared and sad

[stray herald]

Ur off by a mile for my interpretation. I meant at that time, before he knew love was the solution

Think of it like how the necrons imprisoned the c’tan

Thats how i think, prior to the current solution

[tall echo]

He was doing stuff in 1998/1999 after being restored by loid

Like almost immediately after

[stray herald]

He wasnt? After he got out the void the first time he was unskinned. Had loid nurse him back to health and vowed to not use kuva again

[tall echo]

Somewhere inbetween he tried throwing animals into the void to dumb wally down

[tall echo]

Ok

That. Is just what happened before what I said.

No one even saw wally again for a long time after albrecht encountered him

How do you steal fingers from something you can't find

[stray herald]

How did he know that love was the answer? Theres obviously trial and error in research

[graceful swan]

Not straight away he only thought that in the latter days

[stray herald]

Thats what im saying, that before he knew love was the answer, i thought he maybe was thinking about the solution scientifically

Smth more tangible, smth that he can control

[tall echo]

.

Albrecht wasn't thinking logically, he was thinking paranoid...ically?

Never underestimate how heavily fear can influence how people act

[stray herald]

And maybe there was diversity in research

Highly doubt the cavia were the only method he tried

[tall echo]

There's also the whole war thing during which he was ordered to research archon shards

[tall echo]

It's the only one we're told about

[stray herald]

Hence my point. Thats my interpretation of the wall writings

Maybe its just one of his paranoid-charged outbursts that he tried looking for a way to cut off more

[graceful swan]

And was smoking Nestlewod

[tall echo]

Finding wally would be the last thing he'd have wanted to do at that point

[restive river]

Idk if I’d say immediately after
As you said there was the animal experiments
He also went to Duviri at some point for an unknown amount of time

[graceful swan]

I'd say the notes are the order he did the stuff in

[north jolt]

Do not kiss the eldritch entity

[normal mountain]

Nah
Kiss your partner in front of the eldritch entity

[tall echo]

I'll kiss the eldritch entity if I get to cast spells after

That's 100% the backstory of some bard warlock multiclass

[hexed oxide]

Do not the eldritch entity

[tall echo]

Just try to stop me

[chilly verge]

Just a question I've been thinking about the past couple days I know the man in the wall and the operator made that deal extend to the drifter as well

[glacial bough]

Drifter made the deal too

[hexed oxide]

drifter made the deal too, but the indifference gave them different terms

drifter's deal was saving them (the other kids trapped in the zariman), which didn't include the drifter

[chilly verge]

then what was the operator's deal? because I thought that was the operator's deal, And an exchange for what that wasn't exactly cleared up from what I remember

[hexed oxide]

not specified yet

[graceful swan]

We weren't told what the deal was yet

[hexed oxide]

but operator's deal was getting everyone out

[graceful swan]

So was Drifters

[hexed oxide]

.

nvm, rewatching new war cutscene

[chilly verge]

plus isn't the man in the wall Essentially a fourth dimension being essentially being Master of the Void what does he want with our world
Because with the void if you imagine enough can make anything but with consequences kind of like a monkey's paw

The Teno can use the void because of the deal

[hexed oxide]

unless im not finding the other one, there is only one cutscene about the deal and the man in the wall only says "i can save them, all of them" but now idk if that's drifter's or operator's reality

[tall echo]

He seemingly wants revenge, mostly

And it's heavily implied thst albrecht created wally

[hexed oxide]

not really, it doesn't have enough power to mess as he wants. he only appears in the new war because the portal tore a hole big enough to catch its attention and let it through, and he was being held back by rell all this time

[chilly verge]

I know this is one of the developers accounts That occasionally puts out Silly things but this caught my attention

I know she's possessed by the man in the wall but why does he need a vessel when he usually creates a copy of whoever he is speaking to

[hexed oxide]

hostage ?

[glacial bough]

She someone who can creates an anchor for him and allows him more physical interaction with the world

[hexed oxide]

no wait, iirc it had something to do with using neci as an anchor to hollvania

[chilly verge]

probably Fine print of another deal

[hexed oxide]

don't think so, i think it was albrecht who said the anchor thing. either him or loid

[chilly verge]

but don't we have his finger on the Zariman thx to rell

[graceful swan]

Albrecht not Rell

Also the finger is a clone

So is the one on the Railjack

[chilly verge]

They are clones? Then shouldn't the tenno be worried about that because he's at full power
I thought one of his fingers removed so he wouldn't be at full power similar to sukuna's fingers? Or am I missing something and I need to rewatch cut scenes

[glacial bough]

We're definitely screwed if Wally can get his finger back proper

Without it he's limited in his affect on reality

[ashen pulsar]

Are the clone fingers made to be bigger than his for more energy?

[graceful swan]

Zarimans is probably bigger because it needed to do a big jump

[chilly verge]

that's what I thought and figured that's what he's doing in 1999 possessing that person It's the try to get his foot in the door to get it back

[ashen pulsar]

I mean, he also kinda hates Albert

[tall echo]

Clones of the cut off fingers

[tall echo]

The originals just kinda did that by themselves

[chilly verge]

If Those fingers are clones then where is it

Hoo, Did the finger that was cut off split itself into multiple fingers because it had that much power in it

[tall echo]

Unknown

[ashen pulsar]

Fortunately

Unknown to Wallace as well

[tall echo]

Gromit might know tho

[ashen pulsar]

Void gromit (ooooo spooky)

[tall echo]

Multiple fingers got cut off, those were cloned by the orokin

[ashen pulsar]

https://tenor.com/view/surprised-gromit-wallace-%26-gromit-vengeance-most-fowl-shocked-wallace-and-gromit-gif-7047202025181575650

[ashen pulsar]

Is it safe to assume the others were somehow returned to Wallace

[glacial bough]

Albrecht and maybe Yonta are the only ones who would know where the Original(s) are

[tall echo]

Yonta probably wouldn't, not high ranking enough, even if she's an archimedean

[ashen pulsar]

Considering in every depiction of him, we only see at most one missing

[chilly verge]

(Sigh) the orokin known for making the worst decisions

[tall echo]

"As long as the originals are safe"
-yonta, aotz

[ashen pulsar]

Then why do we only see one missing?

[tall echo]

P sure the wall was missing two

[graceful swan]

Nah Wally just bends some in ways no human could so it looks like he's missing more than one

[tall echo]

Coulf

That might be good as a name for a nord or smth

[graceful swan]

Lol

[restive river]

We don’t know how but his finger multiplied/was cloned

[chilly verge]

So Albrecht Cut off the original finger and allow the orokin to clone the finger
( And Wouldn't it just be easier For the man in the wall to get a cloned finger and use it as a temporarily replacement)
Then ran to 1999 to attempt to keep the secret of where the original finger is safe But the man in the wall followed him because time travel was possible because of the void and piggybag off of him now the man in the wall is possessing this girl and invading Divery to get his foot in the door to get his finger back.
and it's also implied That he made the man in the wall . Which I thought he made the first jump into the void in attempt to further succeed technology for the Orokin And that is where he met him

[earnest olive]

It's been verified (I think on a stream, don't take that to heart) that the original is in the Zariman and the others are replicas Apparently I'm dumb

Granted, that was forever ago. Could be going a different direction now

[tall echo]

It has been confirmed in the aotz quest that it is not an original

[graceful swan]

The Zariman one is confirmed to be a clone Yonta says originals are sealed away

[proper barn]

Albretch is a orokin.

[chilly verge]

the orokin have clone Technology

[earnest olive]

@graceful swan @tall echo .....well. I don't know what I was remembering then

[tall echo]

Albrecht didn't leave to 1999 because of that, he did that to try to keep loid safe and to do more research

[earnest olive]

Ease isn't part of the equation for Wally. It wants what was taken. A copy won't do

That's MY finger, and by Me I'll get it back

[chilly verge]

In 1999 where There is a lot less tech( besides what he has with him He didn't take technology with him unless there was something in his pockets in the cut scene he didn't take anything)he would be doing theoretical science at that point and would need a lot of whiteboards

[tall echo]

You are aware that there's a ton of entrati-brand tech in the backroom alone right

He didn't only go to 1999 once, he went back and forth multiple times before that time machine coffin thing

[chilly verge]

Right I just figured that was for the player for base of operations

Oooo

[restive river]

Yeah cause it’s easy to clone the finger off a void-made being :p

[restive river]

before it was destroyed
We still don’t know how he went back and fourth

[tall echo]

Other time machines

[graceful swan]

Didn’t Loid only destroy it when he didn’t want to go back implying the machine can just let him go back and fourth

[tall echo]

Safe to assume the coffin was a single-use thing

[silk atlas]

If it was single use then why bother destroying it

[tall echo]

That's part of the single use

Ekhein has some kinda time tech in it so it's probably the activator

[chilly verge]

so he made a time travel device where he could go back and forth then the original device was destroyed
so he made a one-time use device Which got destroyed So the man in the wall couldn't follow him but ended up following him anyway

[hexed oxide]

anything can be single use if it's designed to be destroyed to be used (bombs, missiles for example)

[tall echo]

Yes

[graceful swan]

He never said Wally couldn’t follow he said couldn’t easily follow

[tall echo]

Initial machine was likely destroyed shortly before the coffin scene

[silk atlas]

I still don't see why the coffin just couldn't have been the same machine to be used to go back and forth and then that was just destroyed by Loud when Albrecht needed to get away

[tall echo]

No space to transport things easily

[hexed oxide]

Didn't he do the coffin thing to have the indifference follow him away from loid ?

[graceful swan]

Yes

[restive river]

What other machines
We never see any others

Like we can assume that yes he had them and maybe the coffin was a one use but
Why not just destroy whatever he already had on the origin system end?
It’s not like ekhein made it impossible to go back, it just destroyed the coffin

[sly pagoda]

We are not even sure how his machine worked are we? Other than he laid down in the sarcophagus with catus bigus and went to the 90s. I would assume void.

[restive river]

Def void tech

[sly pagoda]

Huh maybe I have been thinking about his six points box wrong. Maybe he was trying to figure out how to exit the void at a specific place in time and it had nothing to do with interstellar navigation

As a fun note the capsule in the show Seven Days had a nav screen similar to that box that Albrecht had scribbled on the wall. A show about time travel.

[restive river]

Pic?

[restive river]

Fun

[raw frigate]

so is Qorvek the closest we're gonna get to a murmur warframe or do you think we'll get one at some point?

[restive river]

Well he wasn’t made by the Murmur

Albrecht designed Qorvex for us to use against the Murmur and Wally

Closest thing we have to a void frame is actually Xaku
Maybe one day we’ll get a frame directly made from the void though, though I’m unsure why Wally would make one

Maybe to fight on an even playing field against us? He did transfer into a vessel during whispers so

With Oraxia coming up and her relating to Scholar’s Landing she could be controlled by Wally in the boss fight

[tall echo]

We see at least one other time travel device in the train trap during witw

[rotund rivet]

Out of curiosity (been watching StallorD videos) i got a question about Gyre and how they functioned at all on the Zariman? Ballas experimentation of warframes even before old war is known but I believe from the rhino prime lore the warframes were less than unstable and more animalistic. What lead to the warframes being a viable controllable tool was the tenno but that would require the whole zariman incident to occur before the children of the zariman would ever be capable of controlling the warframes.

Gyre was placed on the Zariman and it doesn't seem like it was a secret and even further more acknowledging Gyres dancing ability. It just seems rather odd that without a controller (tenno) existing and with the warframes at the time being less than civil and prone to uncontrolled violence that putting Gyre on the Zariman would be questionable.

My best guess for how it could be explained away is another person was transferred into the gyre warframe similar to the Unum in the tower in cetus and the researcher who transferred themselves into the forests of earth (silver grove). But all in all it strikes me as weird that gyre is even on the Zariman and acting as a dancer when the warframes were still pretty uncontrollable.

Perhaps somebody can fill me in on this? Is there something ive missed maybe?

[tall echo]

Gyre was not on the zariman, a dancer named gyra was

Ballas made gyre based on gyra

[rotund rivet]

Oof well missed that part pretty hard.

[graceful swan]

No Warframe was on the Zariman they were being made while the Zariman was still missing wouldn’t recommend watching Stallord for lore

[rotund rivet]

Guess there isn't a whole lot of explanation for gyre's parts being obtainable through the zariman besides needing a place for them to be dropped and void mischief.

[graceful swan]

Yeah, some things are just gameplay

[sage moat]

last minute theories for isleweaver? we got 5 hours before this channel explodes

my theory is that this will just square away rusalka and The Dastardly Walliam will escape once again into the next main story quest (to be announced at tennocon) and isleweaver itself won't have too many massive lore implications. maybe some connections and like One Thing about The Dastardly Walliam and Albrecht in relation to scholar's landing and then oraxia's backstory

it may just be "ruwallka is attacking duviri now! stop her! cool you stopped her but drats! The Indifference got away. maybe you'll stop them next time. Additional things:
Something something wally albrecht scholar's landing
Something something oraxia"

[lean garden]

depends, we did get word from rebb that this update will tickle the lore nerds we are

[graceful swan]

I'm predicting the chat in both servers is gonna go wild when we get the update

[lean garden]

im going to be out when it happes

[graceful swan]

Lucky

[feral cape]

Ballas literally could not have in any capacity done warframe experiments before the old war

[feral cape]

I really hope albretch breaks down how void powers work

[umbral wraith]

Hi :3

[lean garden]

https://tenor.com/view/hello-there-gif-5677380953331354485

[hexed oxide]

"let me break it down for you, tenno"

https://tenor.com/view/vdakiii-break-it-down-are-you-sure-omni-man-invincible-invincidih-gif-13690036930093289488

[strong idol]

just had a thought and now I'm curious so I have to ask the question, do we know what lies outside of the origin system? (well obviously other than just random planets) like some other specific system etc.?

[blissful merlin]

https://tenor.com/view/general-kenobi-general-grievous-revenge-of-the-sith-star-wars-gif-26397323

[graceful swan]

Tau System

[strong idol]

I hope we can visit it one day since it's a system full of sentients right? it will probably be important in some way for the lore

[graceful swan]

Rebb said we aren't going anytime in foreseeable future

There's nothing there rn that we don't have in Origin

[normal mountain]

<@&778745217037238293>

[onyx compass]

? (Isleweaver spoilers)

[empty apex]

Is this the real loid

[lean garden]

i mean, the real loid is still very much alive in the sanctum

[empty apex]

Yeah I figured maybe it’s the clone or skin the man in the wall took

[sage moat]

it wasn't even a QUEST its just a NODE i'm right yet again

[lean garden]

i mean, we've known it wasnt a quest for a long while now

[sage moat]

really? wasn't aware

[lean garden]

cant remember if it was meg or reb who confirmed it one stream

[sly pagoda]

poking down the patch notes, new cosmetic from Flare for the people who like to translate.

[barren goblet]

anyone know where the last two codex fragments are?

[swift steppe]

holy shit

all the lore drop rusalka does

[smoky solstice]

to be fair, DE has been back and forth with the way they're talking about Tau

like rebb implied it's no where near, but I feel like the writing team has been heavily implying since then that tau is happening quite soon

it's a weird one

[graceful swan]

They have mentioned it loads of times for it to not happen

[smoky solstice]

loads of times is a stretch I think but we'll see

I mean tennocon is literally like 3-4 weeks from now, we'll know what's next quite soon

so rusalka's dialogue

there's a lot

and I'm not sure how to take it all

[river tangle]

uuhhh who is the scholar?

[wispy swift]

Albrecht

[distant lagoon]

Alberecht

[wispy swift]

From his time in Duviri

[lean garden]

alberkerkie

[wispy swift]

The New Mexico

[river tangle]

i thought that old man never been there, only the drifter

[lean garden]

nope, old mans the reason why the place is called scholars landing

[wispy swift]

I need somewhere to read the new lines, I get too focused on the slaughter

Why hasn't one of you just done all the work for me? That would help me a lot

[graceful swan]

Read Albrecht’s notes?

[river tangle]

i was

yet did not pay much attention to it

[stiff fable]

Yeah they're BOTH in the Fragmented One's Arena

along with a somachord. Absolutely evil, welly done.

[barren goblet]

there's three, actually
and I got them both

throce?

all three

[stiff fable]

oh, well then

try castle town southish

and the last one is on a piece of land sticking out of the back side of scholar's landing

[barren goblet]

those aren't the last two for me, I have all these

one was in front of scholars, one behind, one next to it on a square island, I think two were on roofs in the city, one was on the ground near a bench

3 in teshins, 3 in boss arena, 1 in undercroft

that's 13, missing two, and they show up as the last two in the UI thingy

[sage moat]

i think its interesting that wally seems to identify himself as the void itself

"my will floods in" for example

whereas unless im mistaken the dominant theory beforehand was that he was just a void creation who happened to be super powerful --- like a juiced up dominus thrax

[stiff fable]

I mean I kept telling people that wasn't it

[feral cape]

Both things can be true

[storm hearth]

so is rusalka partially in control or is wally just that good at acting

[graceful swan]

Wally is possessing Rusalka

[storm hearth]

like fully?

[graceful swan]

Yeah

Wally could leave her body but she’s still possessed

[storm hearth]

ah

guess wally loves acting

[plush lake]

Is it just me or like

The Drifter's KIM story arc makes like no sense at all

Dude's been stuck in Duviri since they were like 13-14 and got out of a 500 bajillion year death loop maybe a month ago. The drifter should not know how to talk to people like that

Im expected to believe that the drifter can somehow manage to go full therapist mode after everything

[waxen gyro]

I like to think it's not the first loop with the hex, so they've had time to practice how to talk to them

[plush lake]

Thats true

[waxen gyro]

Less like an instant "got over there" problems button, and just imagining that it's been a bit

[plush lake]

It makes sense if this isnt their first time looping around with the hex

[waxen gyro]

Mhm, thats why its my headcanon

[restive barn]

I found Loid dead on top of pillar what does mean for the future of Warframe

[graceful swan]

Loid is alive

That isn't actually Loid

[ashen pulsar]

Wallace moment

[winter berry]

I heard Minerva is there somewhere too

[restive barn]

Then explain to me how come this dead Loid talks about using love as a weapon to hurt the indifferent but he failed

[winter berry]

Rusalka’s angsty fanfic

[stiff fable]

Everything you see in Isleweaver is Rusalka trying to rewrite Duviri's story to be about how the Drifter gives up and dies instead of leaving

[restive barn]

All right, makes sense now. Thanks for clearing that up for me

[stiff fable]

If she succeeds, those fake Velimir, Minerva and Loids come true

[whole pine]

it's my first warframe operation, will we get some closure after the event ends or is rusalka stuck in duviri forever?

[sage moat]

just so its said, "Triumph of Dust" might actually mean the triumph of our world not the void. the void is associated with the murmur-y dust/sand stuff but palladino says rell held the divide between "dust and void"

[stiff fable]

Rusalka's not even really in Duviri

So no

Operations don't have an impact on story direction/progress anymore

[restive barn]

Secret to unlocking but too bad the exit ain't

Not only that, I was wondering why she kill her own mother and father after they took care of her and made it the way she was?

[sage moat]

in the line "You ran all the way back to my poison garden, now you're chasing me here? What is it you want?"
what's the poison garden?

[stiff fable]

1999

[sage moat]

that tracks. isleweaver has reinforced the vision in my head of wally as an angsty 14 year old

[stiff fable]

Pretty accurate

[restive barn]

True that

It will be cool to fight. Wally in our railjack

Since we have his finger on our railjack

[sage moat]

we have a copy of it on our railjack, not the real deal

isleweaver seems to imply albrecht hid his finger in duviri somewhere which is. interesting.

[graceful swan]

Not even the one one the Zariman is the original

[restive barn]

That was my next is guess

Lol

[stiff fable]

My conspiracy theory is that Wally's finger ended up becoming the Unum

[restive barn]

That does make sense seeing how it it slowed down time in the new war quest

Not only that, you have to use void energy to activate the Unum

[stiff fable]

It's more the Quills

The Quills exist in parallel realities

When you talk to Onkko, he's talking about events in our future in the past tense

[restive barn]

Make sense

[sage moat]

that would be a fantastic twist i'd love that

[stiff fable]

It just works

The Quills are like the Murmur for the Unum

[restive barn]

It does indeed. I'm happy that you clear things up for me

[stiff fable]

but that's just a conspiracy theory, even as cool as it is. There isn't any direct evidence for it really

[restive barn]

There's one when the Unum slow down time seeing that the finger that was missing was time

[sage moat]

just over halfway to my very own oraxia blueprint set (then i need to go duviri grinding to get resources but shhh)

[ashen pulsar]

Time finger?

[sage moat]

so why is it called isleweaver. there's an isle and there's a weaver but the isle isn't getting weaved so

[swift sentinel]

That's the explanation right there. They wanted a name that encapsulated both of those, and Isleweaver also just sounds kinda neat

[plush walrus]

Should have called it araxia : no way home

[stiff fable]

acccccccctually funny story

Rusalka is "weaving" her own Duviri tale

while at the same time Wally is weaving the strands of cause-and-effect to make it real

[stark oasis]

any idea what this means?

[spark crescent]

Lore peeps, how bad is it that the man in the wall has made it to Duviri

[dire mountain]

Hey so

[spark crescent]

I mean Thrax coming to us alone makes me worried

[dire mountain]

He's been there the whole time

Just. Not like this

Its kinda hit the fan though yeah

[spark crescent]

Wasn’t there some dialogue about how the void angels master was gonna get through if you didn’t seal the void whatcha-ma-callems

[dire mountain]

New collectible spoilers: ||so the story is about Rusalka? Succumbing to the Indifference? How it promised her it would consume all her emotions but also ended up consuming her?||

[stiff fable]

Bend your knee

If you do a kneel emote in front of the throne you get something

Either a ||small resource cache or a bomb||

[normal mountain]

don't actually do the kneeling emote though, I've heard it's broken

[stiff fable]

Oh well then

[stark oasis]

i turned into drifter and it had a prompt wich worked

[stiff fable]

Through the lens of the Duviri Tales, basically

The original Duviri Tales were written to help people internalize different kinds of emotional control techniques, and metaphorically shows what happens if you lose control

Wally took those lessons and went to find a host that really could have used them, and made a deal with her instead

[old spade]

anyone know what this is?

[stiff fable]

Scroll up lmao

Literally posted right above you

[old spade]

how do you emote there

[dire mountain]

Hotkey

[stark oasis]

turn into drifter/operator and i got prompt

[old spade]

oh

[dire mountain]

You remember the Anansi bit at the end of the arg

[stark oasis]

another quick guestion. have the lore fragment locations been documented anywhere yet?

[dire mountain]

Ive started mapping them out

[stiff fable]

Yuuuup

[proper glen]

I found Loid, any idea where the other two are at?

[stiff fable]

Minerva is hard, saw her by accident

Literally stuck in a fridge wall

[low robin]

one of the new convo's with Eleanor just made me "ahhh I see now"

[stiff fable]

Velimir I actually haven't seen myself

[proper glen]

Oh what the heck 😭

[low robin]

I think it's pretty interesting why ALb did what he did in 1999 now I think about it and why

[stiff fable]

Super old

Literally since Second Dream

[dull sparrow]

ah, ignore me then

[stiff fable]

It's Lotus reporting on Stalker trying to track you, blocking the attempt, and wishing you good night

[dull sparrow]

ahhhhhhh alright alright

[alpine breach]

What does "Martha" in "Martha Lohk" mean? Since that Eleanor convo I can't stop thinking about it

[potent bluff]

You mean Mara Lohk?

[alpine breach]

Oh, yea probably. It's been a few hours

[potent bluff]

We have no translation for Mara yet. Since "Mara Lohk" refers to the Tenno, presumably it means something like "child".

But DE has stated years ago that the name they use internally for the player Operator when writing their scripts is Mara.

[alpine breach]

Ahh, ok! I might lean towards the first definition because Drifter and Operator are explicitly addressed similarly but separately, while "child" likely comes from the perspective of God to creation

[restive river]

Notably the Lotus calls us (Op/Drifter) a Child of the Void
Which
Is probably what Mara Lohk means :p

[ashen pulsar]

Yeah… probably

[restive river]

Mara meaning child makes more sense than Devil tbh

Which there is a convo with eleanor about what mara lohk could mean
And she brings up the devil theory

The writing in kim and the lore drops are perfection ngl

[ashen pulsar]

Yea it’s great

[ashen pulsar]

Definitely. I’ve heard people argue against it bc of the mara detron but they reuse names all the time

[restive river]

Yeah
Like I don’t think the Sirocco has any connection to the Wisp Kavat armor of the same name :p

They literally just reuse names sometimes just cause

[ashen pulsar]

Or rusalka on Sedna to neci rusalka

[restive river]

Well
That one is probably purposeful actually

[north jolt]

Dumb question, but who's Vodyanoi?

[restive river]

Since Russalka was part of Scaldra and Scaldra is connected to the Orokin them naming a place after some commander or whatever makes sense

[wary vault]

Bend the knee

[ashen pulsar]

Except most people from 1999 would be forgotten by then

There were 18(?) nuclear wars right

[restive river]

Oh yeah most probably
I’m just saying that one has more weight to it than the mara detron to mara lohk connection

[wary vault]

Viktor

[north jolt]

Ohhhhhh! literally just realized that

[restive river]

Cause Scaldra, especially Russalka somewhat mirrors the Orokin
Since
Scaldra will assist in the creation of the Orokin at some point

[ashen pulsar]

Megabloke

[restive river]

Her efforts are likely remembered enough that the name goes on
It’s not confirmed but it’s possible

18 radiation wars will ofc make it difficult but the Orokin survived so

[wary vault]

Orokin also being decendents of O.R.O Corporation. It's like if in future there's civilization called Amazonia or Microkin 💀

Metafolk

[restive river]

Yeah lol

[wary vault]

Xnation

[restive river]

I mean Albrecht himself said Hollvania would lead humanity for the next 10k years

[wary vault]

https://tenor.com/view/brain-brain-meme-big-brain-big-brain-meme-big-brain-time-gif-2441110471562975014

[restive river]

And Russalk was designed to be a sorta proto Orokin
She even got the long arm

Iirc she uses the Orokin rig too

[wary vault]

Googland

[lean garden]

since no one got to this yet it seems, its just Viktor

[ashen pulsar]

Someone did get to that

[dire mountain]

I've noticed Rusalka making a lot of references towards bodies of water

[ashen pulsar]

It seems

[dire mountain]

I see you, writing team

[lean garden]

it seems I missed breakinger

it seems

[ashen pulsar]

?

[ashen pulsar]

So it seems

[lean garden]

google what rusalka is, without warframe

[dire mountain]

Thank you halo infinite for teaching me about this

[ashen pulsar]

Ohh lol

[dire mountain]

Genuinely true that did happen

[ashen pulsar]

She’s also known as the vodyanitsa in some places lol

[stiff fable]

What's extra funny about this is that it's very obviously a reference to that tumblr post from early this year

[dire mountain]

It is

[lean garden]

oh I love the viktor crashout thread

[alpine breach]

Viktor watching as a techrot threatens to stab himself and gets more resilient

[wary vault]

Rusakla means mermaid from Slavic Langugages. Vodyanoi (viktor) also means Water Spirit from Slavic folklore

[ashen pulsar]

Viktor deploying stormfall units when his toilet paper wasn’t the exact smoothness he wanted

[alpine breach]

"Stormfall, stub their toe"

[wary vault]

Also Neci (Nessie) is name of Loch Ness monster

idk why they gave her so many water creature associated names when in game she has nothing to do with it but this is what they mean.

[dire mountain]

No its very relevant

Rusalkas are women who drowned, right? She had drowned not in water but in the Void

[wary vault]

It means Mermaid, not drowned woman

[lean garden]

shes... sleeping in the cold below

[lean garden]

? where did you get that from?

[wary vault]

I speak Russian

[strange plinth]

there's some proto-orokin(?) text under a crate at the top of scholar's landing, do we have a translation on that yet?

[faint depot]

You know I'm going to say I'm surprised or fighting the major this early I honestly thought I will just kind of put on that back burner for a while until they feel like bring it back and focus on tau or something

[wary vault]

pros of being from Post-Soviet state

[ashen pulsar]

THAT SONG WAS SO GOOD OMG

[ashen pulsar]

We aren’t fighting her, per se

[faint depot]

Yes I know it may or may not be the man in the wall but still also it's just surprising to see her this early mainly because I was expecting it would be probably a back burner for us until they probably wanted to use her again for something

[ashen pulsar]

We also aren’t exactly fighting her

[faint depot]

Okay But anyways how was the new spiral by the way first I enjoyed it although I kind of wish they went for a different boss instead of just the forbidden tide

[ashen pulsar]

The duet thing was really weird

[prime cove]

May or may not? The Murmur obey the Indifference, and Rusalka is controlling the Murmur. Who else could it be?!

... Kullervo probably, wanting to rack up an eighth crime to add to the list.

[faint depot]

Come to think of it yeah I wonder what he has been doing throughout the whole thing

[lean garden]

but yet rusalkas typically are water spirits according to this quick dive into their mythos that I did on their wiki oage

[quartz bison]

victor from 1999

[strange plinth]

the text i mentioned, found it in my first couple runs, so i assume others have as well

[prime cove]

Thrax: despite being antagonistic to the Drifter every chance he got, is perfectly willing to aid the Tenno and supply payment if it means driving the Indifference from his kingdom.

Sargus Ruk: would rather staple whatever organic bits remain of his action to a burning log than help the Tenno fight the Sentients.

... Then again, we never killed Thrax a giga-bazillion times whenever we needed Orokin Cells, so maybe that could explain the hospitality.

[glacial bough]

That is accurrate to the Grineer s.o.p, yes

[faint depot]

You know despite everything that Thrax does to keep drifter in the loop for a while I'm surprised we never consider killing him as drifter are supposed to be the true ruler and creator of the place

[prime cove]

What would even be the point?

Once the Drifter learned the truth of Duviri, it could no longer hold them prisoner anymore and they could come and go as they pleased. What would be the point in killing someone who was ultimately powerless to stop them?

Besides, Drifter doesn't even want the throne, so if Thrax insists on running Imaginationland, then by all means!

[faint depot]

FairPoint as well as yeah I really need to read them a bit more of the lore I'm just waiting for the lore 101 video on Duviri

And also someone needs to keep an eye on the place while they gone in the origin system

As well as 1999

Thank you for correcting me as well as information

[alpine breach]

I know it's off of what you're talking about rn but when are we gonna see the tau come up again? It's been a while and their story still isn't over

[strange plinth]

some announcement at tennocon likely

[glacial bough]

You mean Tau or the Sentients?

[alpine breach]

Mostly, would they wanna make temporary allies against the indifference

[glacial bough]

Because the Sentient story is defintely currently finished

[prime cove]

... Maybe that's why the Indifference wants Duviri. Wally must have pieced together that Drifter's powers came from Duviri. So if he takes that kingdom, he could find a way to take away the Drifter's time powers and wrestle control of the 1999 loop from them.

I dunno if that is the case or not, I'm still waiting on the download screen.

[restive river]

Drifter’s powers didn’t come from Duviri

[glacial bough]

Wally has been breaching Duviri from the jump. Plus Duviri itself isn't a source of power like that

[strange plinth]

wally explains why he takes over duviri during isleweaver runs
||you took his city, he takes your kingdom||

[quartz bison]

this indifference guy, smh. thinks hes timmy tough

https://tenor.com/view/macho-testosterone-shoulders-buff-tough-gif-7713398061881777946

[faint depot]

So anyone excited to watch the tennocon for the upcoming you update that we may go to Tau As well as other updates they may planned out

[faint depot]

Yeah I guess we had to defend both fronts

[prime cove]

||Pretty much the same deal he had with the Orokin: You take my fingers, I take your entire plane of reality!||

[prime cove]

Dude admitted in the Hex quest that he's doing what he does because he's angry at the Orokin for stealing bits of his being to invent Void Travel.

Dude used to be a creepypasta demon, but it turns out that really, he's just another one of the Empire's many victims lashing out at the rest of the galaxy.

[neon pilot]

Like, fair enough. Anyone would be mad to get their fingies snatched

[quartz bison]

what i am curious about the most is probably what the true form of wally, as we have seen, his fingers are pretty huge, is he a titan or something like that?

[alpine breach]

Now it's got me thinking, if we do give their finger back, would they be more chill with us or do we have a lot of mess still

[quartz bison]

we need the fingers

[glacial bough]

That's his particular beef with Entrati. As is, we don't know the whole endgame other than "get free"

We can be sure it would mean the end of reality as we know it

[prime cove]

I always figured that the Indifference had no form of his own. Even that statue form at the end of The New War was basically just a glorified calling card. Like, "You guys know me as a man in a wall, so I present myself to you as such!"

[neon pilot]

I don’t know if I’m being bit of a whiner, thought isle weaver would be more of a mini quest with a mission event like Jade shadows :v

[stiff fable]

he'd thanos snap the entire universe

[glacial bough]

Wally being free means everything becomes his playground

[stiff fable]

"Having a point" =/= being a good guy

[stiff fable]

fwiw they never once said there'd be a quest

[prime cove]

Freudian excuse is no excuse!

[stiff fable]

JS had the quest front and center, and announced the event right after

[quartz bison]

yeah ok but "the wall" as we know is basically what separates the void from the origin system, is it not?

[stiff fable]

Reality from unreality

[quartz bison]

it'd be coold tho icl

[neon pilot]

Ah ok, thank you

[quartz bison]

what if wally is just not real then

[stiff fable]

With actual omnipotent beings you get funny stuff

Like "can capital-G God make a sandwich that He can't finish?"

Actual question that you get taught in divinity school

The answer is "yes He can, and He'll finish it anyway"

[neon pilot]

I feel bad for Minerva and Velimir

[quartz bison]

they are not actually there tho

[stiff fable]

So, it doesn't matter that Wally doesn't exist, he can still make YOU not exist

[quartz bison]

its just wally messing around with us

what do you think is his final objective?

[stiff fable]

Proving that nothing matters

[quartz bison]

like why does he do what he does other than revenge from us and orokin

[neon pilot]

The possibilities are endless

[stiff fable]

I think he's just trying to make it so that nothing in the entire existence of the universe ever mattered one bit

[quartz bison]

why tho shit doesnt make any sense at all tbf

[glacial bough]

I would think his goal is more like The Collector from Owl House. He'll be free to treat everything as a plaything and play out whatever scenario or experimetn he desires

Wally thrives on causing negative mental noise, he'd never want to make all of it meaningless

[stiff fable]

He thinks the same about what you just said there

Why do you matter? Why does your opinion matter?

[stark bridge]

This is the OST for Oraxia's bossfight, is there a specific meaning behind the words "Tethra Jahrak"?

[neon pilot]

My idea is he just does it cause he thinks it’s mad funny

[quartz bison]

is that not also the title for a somachord we gor ingame?

[stark bridge]

Yes, it's the same song

[stiff fable]

He's kind of the edgiest edgelord you remember from when you were 14, except he actually CANNOT grow up and get it

[glacial bough]

To Wally, we're ants to burn and puppets to put on a show

[stiff fable]

DE has a voidtongue dictionary of sorts but they're not sharing

yet

[quartz bison]

THAT YET

[neon pilot]

Damn, learning void tongue would actually be fun as hell

[quartz bison]

triggers me

[glacial bough]

With his finger, Wally makes all of reality into his stage

[stiff fable]

Check bandcamp, they put the English translations of a few of the Whispers songs in the Bandcamp version

[quartz bison]

imagine all warframe player irl comunicating in void tongue

[stiff fable]

as far as we're aware, it's not a full language

[stark bridge]

I feel like it has at least something to do with Oraxia, considering in the dual Murmur bossfight the lyrics do not play

[stiff fable]

They've made some words but not a full conlang

It's not Tolkein Elvish or Klingon

[neon pilot]

Oooof, that’s a bummer. Cause if it’s a full language I would’ve used that for writing stuff lol

[quartz bison]

well we know only a few word as of now, there may be a full dictionary out of it who knows?

[stark bridge]

Voidtongue isn't a fully fleshed out language as of yet, however you can learn how to write in Orokin or Tenno

When i was still in a relationship i wrote my girlfriend an 'i love you' note in the Tenno alphabet

[neon pilot]

Awww

[quartz bison]

teach me

[stark bridge]

The smaller signs belong above the longer signs

For example, this means: "You are the hope and future of the Tenno."

However, this alphabet isn't based in english

It's written in how it sounds, not how it's spelled

[quartz bison]

looks like arabic in some way

[stark bridge]

So speak any sentence you want to translate out loud, it'll make it much easier

[quartz bison]

btw where entrati at atp?

[stark bridge]

Either in hiding, or on his way to Tau, i'm guessing

Because judging from Wally's frustration towards Entrati, i think it lost him

Also it literally manifested Loid's corpse on Scholar's Landing just to piss us off more because of that

[dire mountain]

Theres also velimir and minerva

[quartz bison]

i said it and i will say it again, wally is just a damn spoiled child

[stark bridge]

It is, it's a kid playing with an ant hill, and then threw a temper tantrum when the ants bit back

[quartz bison]

it would be interesting to actually see when and how the origin system became what it is in our times

[stark bridge]

Like in Isleweaver, Wally is complaining about Entrati stealing it's finger and basically making him out to be a thief, acting like he ripped it's face off

[glacial bough]

Not quite. He didn't even know the ants existed until he was bitten. Now it's about watching the ants scurry

[quartz bison]

welp would you be happy if some random old man comes into your house and rips off your finger randomly

[stiff fable]

Problem is, that isn't what happened

Wally stuck his hand into reality and Mom closed the portal

[stark bridge]

Wally's finger was severed, but Entrati didn't explicitly steal it

But yk, a scientist does what a scientist do

[stiff fable]

Wally's mistake was copying Albrecht to freak the dude out, and then trying to take his place

So again, he's trying to gaslight you

(as usual)

[stark bridge]

Yeah Wally's doing extra gaslighting this update

[quartz bison]

what about archimedean yonta's line that says that there are fewer fingerst than there used to be?

[dire mountain]

I dont think wally's impersonation was necessarily a hostile thing though

[stiff fable]

It probably was

[dire mountain]

Albrecht just kinda flipped because thats a normal human reaction to seeing yourself

[stark bridge]

I said this earlier in general chat, this update he seems less like the god of the void but more the god of ragebaiting

[quartz bison]

ragebait final boss

[stiff fable]

I think I kinda am starting to get what it's about

Like, the trolling thing is actually correct

[quartz bison]

do tell

[stiff fable]

Wally is a sociopath, go figure

He understands how to provoke specific emotions

But he doesn't understand or care about what those emotions mean

[stark bridge]

He's like a manipulative ex in a way

[stiff fable]

Because they don't mean anything to him

[quartz bison]

rightt

[stiff fable]

by definition, they can't

[glacial bough]

He very much is deliberately trying to cause reactions, yes. And definietly understands their effect on people

[stiff fable]

There's nothing in him to respond to them

[quartz bison]

can wally prove emotions?

[stiff fable]

He knows they exist

He just doesn't understand or care about how emotions make people feel

[glacial bough]

Wally fully understands emotions, and deliberately tries to provoke negative ones

[quartz bison]

https://tenor.com/view/wally-gopher-gif-8688059013321752253

[stark bridge]

My guess is that at his core, Wally is a curious being in his own twisted way, wanting to know how things like emotions work, despite not caring about them

[glacial bough]

He does know how they work though

[quartz bison]

agree

[stiff fable]

see, I don't think that's the case

Because positive emotions like love are poison to him

And filling that void that is him with anything is enough to drive him away

[stark bridge]

Basically like that one clip of Wonderful World of Gumball

[glacial bough]

Wally very specifically understands things like grief and heartache and intentially tries to cause them

[stark bridge]

https://tenor.com/view/gumball-ragebait-meme-gif-17379236574468569416

[stiff fable]

He's trying to crush the universe's ability to give a damn about anything