lore-discussion

[swift steppe]

skill issue gitgud thats what id say to him

xD

[sage moat]

i loved that show when finger guy was the baddie but it felt like they just kept it going for far too long after

[normal mountain]

Partially disagree
They kept the romantic drama going for far too long

[swift steppe]

why dont we have claw rivens i want a real serious answer why didnt samodeus thingy make that like bro

be for real rn

[sage moat]

this is a DE question

[swift steppe]

can we speculate on why then

[sage moat]

i think the reason why is just
"DE didn't make them"

i don't think there's a lore reason

but feel free to speculate

[swift steppe]

yes but why didnt DE made those

that would be a really good idea imo

just need to rename the claws like "huras claws, smeeta claws" etc etc etc

wait theyre alr called that im dumb sorry

[sage moat]

oh wait i think i know

[swift steppe]

i think thats a bad idea actually that would make beasts way better than sentinels and shit

[sage moat]

unless im mistaken, rivens predate the companion rework

[swift steppe]

wdym

[sage moat]

rivens were introduced to the game before they updated it so companions had their own weapons

before the companion rework, beast companions didn't have "Claws" weapons, you just modded damage AND utility AND survivability on the beast itself

[pallid spoke]

They added Archgun Rivens after the system was introduced, so nothing stopping them from adding another new type.

[normal mountain]

Ngl, I thought we were talking about claw weapons like Venka
Not beast companion claws

[swift steppe]

omg that sounds like hell

[swift steppe]

oh

[pallid spoke]

They either forgot, or deemed beast claws too powerful to have Rivens.

[normal mountain]

it was

[swift steppe]

understandable

[tall echo]

Please choose a different word

[normal mountain]

right, forgot that was a euphemism for that
I meant head melon

As in what I said here

But I suppose I could remember that for next time

[hidden cove]

How do I get into Teshin's Cave without starting a run of Duviri?

[swift steppe]

you dont i think

[hidden cove]

Damn

[swift steppe]

why do you want to go there

[hidden cove]

I want to buy a weapon but I don't want to start a new run lmfao

[swift steppe]

well go in duviri experience in solo

buy the weapon go in duviri

make 1 thing to have a decree and then you leave

wait no

[hidden cove]

Actually I'll wait 15 minutes when it becomes Sorrow

[swift steppe]

buy the weapon and chose your decree and then you leave

[hidden cove]

I'm waiting for Kullervo's Hold so I can get Ueymag to build him

[swift steppe]

ohhh i see

[hidden cove]

Feed him to The Wall™️ so I can subsume Wrathful Advance on Excalibro

[swift steppe]

based

[humble sierra]

Just an FYI, there's a fair bit of Ueymag in the south parts of the map too (near Luscinia's opera theatre thing)

[hidden cove]

Yeah I've been looking at the wiki map, thank you tho

Chamber of the Muses and Netherbarrow

[hidden cove]

So it turns out my Dread Riven Mod that reduces my fire rate by 37% and sets the charge time to 5 seconds is not a visual bug

The math ain't mathing

It has to have a fire rate mod with it to not go up to 5 seconds

[feral cape]

I hope im right and if he regains his power he just wins in the past alongside the future so it seems like there was never a fight god that'd be a cool concept

[restive river]

He just makes it so he had always won

Which
Tbh he could banish the Drifter or Operator and they work with Neci as the only ones who know what really happened and work towards setting things right

[feral cape]

Exactly

[hidden cove]

Four days until I can do the Wrathful Advance Excalibur funny

To think the entire reason I thought Excalibur was clunky is because Radial Javelin is jank incarnate

Though I suppose the 2012 animations also don't help lmao

[regal torrent]

How much do we know in terms of other Tenno? I only know Harrow and the loading screen Tenno council

[humble sierra]

We know your Tenno, obviously, we know Rell with Harrow, we know some other named Tenno like Terolee, but not who they operated. Jade had an operator too— and Jade actually calmed her down, not the other way around like it is with most Warframes.

I'm guessing a few were mentioned in the Leverians. Notably, Ash had some mention of a Tenno assassin school?

[graceful swan]

Voruna had an Operator who woke up and was carried by Voruna

Loading screen Tenno Council aren’t actually a canon thing they’re a relic of the past called from a program called Guides of the Lotus

[strange turtle]

It was just a regular assassin school he worked for

[hollow siren]

Most people also had no idea Warframes and Tenno were separate things

Many people even believed they weren't even real

[humble sierra]

Ah, yep, misremembered. "Patron saint of the Orokin school of political assassination known as… The Scoria"

[hollow siren]

This type of lore is murky cause it's unclear how much of it actually happened and how much is just the fake mythos the Orokin made to cover the Warframes' true nature

[graceful swan]

Warframes are gods

-Orokin Empire

[hollow siren]

lesser gods under the Golden Lords

[graceful swan]

I wonder if Baro’s obsession with Inaros is because he once lived on Mars before Grineer occupation

[strange plinth]

leverian is especially murky on the tenno v warframe front
iirc its only voruna and dante that are "confirmed" to be one or the other
voruna having that "recognition" line, and dante being described (although by loid rather than drusus) to be before the tenno

[hollow siren]

that is the explicit reason mentioned in the quest, yes

[hollow siren]

yep, Drusus doesn't care much for the distinction, so hard to say how many of the feats (if they happened at all) can be attributed to the Warframe and which are to their Operator

[graceful swan]

Drusus gotta start giving credit to the therapist

[swift steppe]

he just gay for inaros

slay

[limpid hemlock]

tbh, i'm looking forward to the oraxia lore(even though i got arachnophobia, god i hate spiders

[swift steppe]

same

[graceful swan]

I’m planning on subsuming Terrify onto her to give enemies Arachnophobia make sure you’re not near

[limpid hemlock]

oh my god!!! proceeds to do the Joestar secret technique

[swift steppe]

NIGERUNDAYOOOOOOOO SMOKEY

https://tenor.com/view/nigerundayo-joestar-running-away-joseph-joestar-secret-technique-gif-15112346

absolute peak

great my own gif isnt even loading properly

[limpid hemlock]

risky posting tbh, but yeah, peak scene

[swift steppe]

why risky?

[limpid hemlock]

the quote... not gonna get more into that (due to the profanity rule)

[swift steppe]

brother thats the WORD they use

thats a japanese WORD theres NO profanity

[limpid hemlock]

alright, fair enough

[swift steppe]

it means run away

literally NO profanity

(in my opinion at least)

[limpid hemlock]

also it is a quite literal quote from the scene from the gif

[swift steppe]

true

[coral marlin]

Afternoon lads, I've finished the New War and Veilbreaker and every quest available to me (bar some side quests - Glast Gambit etc). I now have the choice of Whispers in the Walls, Angels of the Zariman or Jade Shadows as my next quest. What's the order? I was thinking Jade Shadows -> Zariman -> Walls, but I just wanted to check?

[sage moat]

that's good!

[strange plinth]

whispers is more relevant to current content, so save that for last imo
zariman or jade shadows is a little weirder
jade shadows is shorter and introduces less, but zariman and whispers have similar quest structures
i think i'd do zariman first? but your order is good !

[coral marlin]

Okay great, thanks guys!

[cloud steppe]

are there any updated lore videos about warframe? All the ones I’ve seen are from years ago.

[strange plinth]

not that are considered accurate by most here, usually victims of outdated info or headcanon being treated as canon

[silk atlas]

https://youtu.be/5ekJpbdRz4Y
This one that's actually worth watching

[cloud steppe]

ok

[graceful swan]

The one for when you’re done with that

https://youtu.be/lEl-NFbqhoQ?si=qjxCtNztMyPKrlcV

[cloud steppe]

thank you 🙏

[smoky solstice]

hey so I thought isleweaver is gonna be like a more minor type of major patch

aka no quest, but I've been hearing something about a quest now

so will isleweaver have a quest?

[strange plinth]

i had assumed it wouldn't have one, but i also wouldn't be surprised if it did

[hexed oxide]

How'd you come to that conclusion ?

Idk if other updates were like that, but this seems like a 40min long quest at the very least imo

[strange plinth]

afaik, there's been no mention of a quest, main "selling point" seemed to be the duviri revisit and clan operation rather than further story elements

[ashen pulsar]

Wouldn’t the duviri thing be a quest?

[graceful swan]

Duviri and 1999 are the quests

Islewaever would be an update using Duviri and 1999 concepts

[strange plinth]

i will gladly be wrong about that though, i love quests
but based on what i've seen (i started playing just before dante released), quests have been advertised as such, with the only "exception" being lotus eaters
and even then, lotus eaters was more of a cinematic/cutscene and that was its biggest fault

[graceful swan]

Lotus Eaters was advertised as a quest

[hexed oxide]

It is technically a quest

[tall echo]

Isleweaver just has the operation, no quest

[graceful swan]

No, it is actually a quest

A small quest setting up a larger quest is still a quest

[tall echo]

Apostasy prologue

[smoky solstice]

lotus eaters was definitely advertised as having a quest, just a short one

but ok, I was just wondering if there was new info in the devshorts

since I haven't watched the last few

I only asked because like idk if it would be too unrealistic? like I still don't know how DE managed duviri paradox -> whispers in the walls

both have huge quests, I have no idea how they could've released those back to back

[strange plinth]

yeah, my point was it being advertised as a quest when it was more of a cinematic like apostasy prologue or the prelude to war scenes
very minor discrepancy

[smoky solstice]

so I'm still not really sure when to expect quests or not

[strange plinth]

afaik duviri was in production for a very long time, so a decent amount of whispers was probably being made at the same time

[smoky solstice]

well yeah but both are massive quests, they both had to be in production for a long time

both have huge setpieces, new areas, etc

that's what I find crazy about it

because even though pre-duviri was before my time, there was still content dropped while these were being made

so it's kind of insane to think about

[tall echo]

Expect quest when they say there will be one

[smoky solstice]

alright, thanks, I wasn't aware of how they advertised a lot of stuff really pre-dante unbound since after whispers is when I started paying attention to updates and all that

since the whispers update is when I actually finished the quests and got to the late game, first update I was really there for was dante unbound

[tall echo]

DE is very clear about upcoming content

[smoky solstice]

alright, cool

[tall echo]

A rare sight in recent times

[smoky solstice]

I mean a bit dissapointing, I was hoping for a quest, but it's understandable AND we get oraxia

who seems like the most fun frame in a while

just the gameplay preview and reading the ability descriptions got my mouth watering

[graceful swan]

But them they can save quests for Tennocon reveal

[strange plinth]

real
i am so excited for oraxia

[smoky solstice]

nah it's totally cool, I was just copehoping for a quest before end of 2025

[graceful swan]

Plus the update coming is still gonna be lore-heavy quest or not

[smoky solstice]

since tennocon reveal quests tend to drop in like the final quarter of that year

[smoky solstice]

ig that's true, new duviri fragments and all that

I'm really curious on how a lot of it will play out

[tall echo]

And the fact that it takes place on albrecht's island

[smoky solstice]

yeah it's gonna be fun experiencing a murmur incursion

all we know is of one instance from acrithis

we'll see another instance now, it really does feel like it's all building to a final showdown with the murmur but we'll see

I'm really 50/50 rn on the whole final showdown in tau thing, because I feel like DE is teasing it as much as they're lowering expectations for it, so I'm really not sure

I mean it's one month from tennocon so we'll see, whatever it is, I'm excited

[graceful swan]

Wally didn't only attack once

Black eyed children

Garmi

Rain of Chains

Vagabond

[smoky solstice]

are all of those duviri things?

[lean garden]

Yes

[smoky solstice]

oh

I have no idea what garmi, rain of chains, or vagabond are tbh

can someone educate me

it can be a quick recap

[lean garden]

Look up the Lost Islands of Duviri, it has all you need

[smoky solstice]

I thought this was the acrithis thing

with the incursion

[lean garden]

A significant chunk of why an island gets lost is because of duviri

[smoky solstice]

there's more to it?

[lean garden]

I mean, she's recorded multiple different events so

[smoky solstice]

hm

all I remember is how wally occupied one specific island

and she describes those events, I wasn't aware she described multiple

[graceful swan]

Rain of Chains happened due to Chains of Harrow

Garmi was attacked by Wally

Vagabond places all the tablets

Black eyed children is Wally creating clones and going to Duviri class

[smoky solstice]

I just remember that damn finger

[smoky solstice]

that's cool actually

damn I need to revisit the duviri lore

if only those damn fragments weren't so hard to find

there's one in the amphitheater, I have only one left there, I can't find it

but ok, I'll check it on orokin archive

it's so insane too because the tablets are actually just speaking to the drifter

and my personal theory is still that they're somehwat speaking to the player as well

mostly showcasing orokin depravity and then the final tablets are wally specifically speaking to us rather than revealing the darker aspects of orokin culture

I always thought that was such a cool plot device

honestly DE have only mentioned the fragments but I do hope to some extent (keeping in mind that it's not necessarily going to happen and as such I will not be disappointed if it doesn't happen) that we get more tablets

[restive river]

Wait how do we know Vagabond placed the tablets?

[graceful swan]

Vagabond is Wally

The tablets do have stuff only Wally would know

[restive river]

I mean for some of them yes

Some are def due to Wally
Some are just questions from the Zariman

Tbh a majority are just normal questions from what I recall
Just things from quizzes

If they’re all from Wally, which I doubt, then all of that info is things he wants us to know about

Which if that’s the case that is interesting for instances like the solar rail question and the palimpsest of spacetime

[graceful swan]

Wally isn't evil he just wants to give us lore trust me

[restive river]

Yeah him forcing a buncha children to murder or watch their parents die isn’t evil
It was for lore

It was to build character
Totally

[graceful swan]

Yeah gotta have a good origin story

[restive river]

Exactly
That’s all Wally’s doing, making a good story

[graceful swan]

All he wants in return is his fingers and a fair deal

[restive river]

You get: trauma and a good story
I get: my fingerbones back

[sage moat]

technically

he didn't FORCE them to watch OR kill their parents

the children coulda died! they had that option

[slow bramble]

Warframe does its best storytelling by Quests

[ashen pulsar]

What does “xata fass xata” mean

[slow bramble]

Though it did try the FromSoft method bless its heart

[hollow siren]

Truth Chaos Truth

[ashen pulsar]

Of course it does. Wtf is Wally trying to say there?

[woven coyote]

Ask him

[hollow siren]

Maybe something along the lines of "The truth comes out, and chaos truly ensues"

[ashen pulsar]

Can’t. He disappeared

[hollow siren]

Voidtongue isn't really consistent in its grammar so even in the sentences where we know all the words, it can be a guessing game as to the exact meaning

[ashen pulsar]

Hm

[strange plinth]

that's when he yoinks you to the zariman after you don't shoot rusalka, yeah?

[hollow siren]

yep

[ashen pulsar]

Yea

[hollow siren]

After us and Albrecht start to argue on the individual vs. the greater good

[ashen pulsar]

So it probably means something more than “truth chaos truth” but it just translates to that

[graceful swan]

Are you more a child than your other?

[hollow siren]

Voidtongue is very much a "language" where each word is more like a multipurpose phrase

[ashen pulsar]

If that’s the case, would previous sentences also be like that?

[hollow siren]

"Fass" isn't just the literal word "chaos" and nothing else

[ashen pulsar]

Like “voull ne xata vohk, mara lohk”

[hollow siren]

could also be that he's not even speaking a "correct" sentence, instead just saying words

since yeah we have that as an example of a proper Voidtongue sentence

[ashen pulsar]

We have more examples of him saying just words too

“Lohk. Tohk. Tenok.”

[hollow siren]

We still have no idea what's being said here

[ashen pulsar]

Tru

[strange plinth]

yup
(i'm pretty sure that's the whispers intro lol)

[hollow siren]

it is

[ashen pulsar]

Wiki says it’s “UTEH KOMEK URU. SHORAHAV KOMEK URU” but idk the source

[hollow siren]

there's no official transcript

[ashen pulsar]

Yeah

So that might just be what someone heard

[graceful swan]

Might be assumption based on Bandcamp

[hollow siren]

before Whispers we thought that one phrase at the end of TNW was something wildly different than what it actually is

[ashen pulsar]

Which

[hollow siren]

Voull Ne Xata Vohk, Mara Lohk?

[ashen pulsar]

Ah

[hollow siren]

only in Whispers did we get subtitles for it

[ashen pulsar]

I wanna say it’s something like “do you see the truth, void [adjective]” but idk

Void child or sum

[hollow siren]

before it was assumed to be "Oull Xata Vome Khra Lohk"

[ashen pulsar]

What does vohk mean

[hollow siren]

we don't know

the only words of it we know is Xata and Lohk

[ashen pulsar]

Ah

[hollow siren]

Mara Lohk is very likely referring to us. "Mara" is the name used to refer to the player in the game's code, and "Mara" were evil spirits in norse mythology that cause nightmares (hence why nightmares are called that)

so it could possibly mean Void Demon/Devil

[woven coyote]

Not even the code
Just the script for quests, like when they are reading scripts during development or during meetings

[ashen pulsar]

Makes more sense than child

[hollow siren]

the Tenno and the Void in general are often referred to as Demons/Devils

[ashen pulsar]

Yea

[strange plinth]

main point against demon/devil is: why would wally and the cavia be calling us demons?
only ballas and the helminth really did that

[hollow siren]

with Void Angels being like a mockery of that, implying they're "purer" and closer to the "god" that is Wally

[ashen pulsar]

And helminth I think

[hollow siren]

Wally has a history of mocking people with nicknames others have given

[ashen pulsar]

Wally could be making fun of us. Cavia doing that doesn’t make sense tho

[graceful swan]

Simple: One does it as an insult the other doesn't

[ashen pulsar]

But cavia calling you a demon is odd. Still think it’s true tho

[hollow siren]

Mara meaning "child" does fit better for the Cavia's case, but there's more general reasons for it meaning demon/devil

[ashen pulsar]

Agreed

Either way it definitely means us

[strange plinth]

wally also gave us those powers that he'd be making fun of
i can kinda see the tenno/angels comparison

[hollow siren]

there's definitely a thematic parallel between us, the "Devils", and the Void Angels

[ashen pulsar]

Also the Mara detron is a thing. Right?

[hollow siren]

Yep

[ashen pulsar]

Would be weird having the “child detron”

[hollow siren]

Tho that's moreso just a meta reference to the internal protag name thing

[strange plinth]

yea, but seems unrelated
given its a corpus weapon with no proper relation to the void/voidtongue

[ashen pulsar]

Anyways, voull seems like a combo of vome and oull, perhaps

Could just be a language thing tho

[hollow siren]

yeah hard to say wether it's connected to Oull

[slow bramble]

That was an argument? On my choice he called my Drifter "More of a child than my other half" (and then Wally became my Operator and I was Really proud of my outfit choice for her cause she was looking like a proper monster in the infested outfit)

[sage moat]

i mean Rite and Trite for example are similar but mean different things, i doubt Voull is related to Oull

[slow bramble]

Gee, I wonder why the half that grew up in toyland wouldn't be

[hollow siren]

start to argue

[sage moat]

not that it matters since we dont actually know what oull means

[hollow siren]

true

[sage moat]

given sisters are enhanced with void tech, it makes sense to me that voidtongue can disable their tech, but the fact it works on (and even was introduced for) kuva liches implies a connection between kuva and void that is a really interesting thing to dig into

[slow bramble]

No? We know Fass and a hanful of others. They're literally on display in Necraloid's chamber

[hollow siren]

The best Gruzzling line is when they just go "Fass! Fass! Hehehehe!"

[hollow siren]

The only ones in the phrase "Voull ne xata vohk, Mara lohk?"

[sage moat]

an old theory i had was that it was wally's "blood" but kuva existed before the finger was severed so that doesn't track unless we make the logical leap that it got moved through time cause of the void

[slow bramble]

And Lizzie

[hollow siren]

Kuva is a Void-sourced substance yeah

[hollow siren]

Continuity seems to have existed before the Reliquary, so it's assumed the Orokin had some form of Kuva Siphon

[hollow siren]

Lizzie is Helminth

[slow bramble]

Orokin also lie saying its the blood of their saints, so that lines up with it being Wally's blood

Isn't Worm trying to make Kuva Substitute?

[hollow siren]

we don't know the exact nature of Kuva, but it is related to the Void

[woven coyote]

Common interpretation mistake
Kuva isnt void derived
It has a void derived characteristic

[sage moat]

my headcanon was always that this meant "Voull (see) ne (the) xata (truth) vohk (do you), Mara (child/devil) lohk (void)"
So
See the truth, do you, void child/devil?
or less faithfully,
Do you see the truth, void child/devil?
We know that voidtongue doesn't shy away from using other grammar systems, since "mara lohk" almost certainly refers to "(noun) (adjective)" rather than "(adjective) (noun)" like is used in english, so i think vohk could be a questioning particular, like "ne" in japanese i believe? i don't speak it

[hollow siren]

she's harvesting Kuva with the Siphons

[slow bramble]

Not just that there's a mission where we're sent to destroy an attempt to make a substitute

I think its the Fortress Defense mission

We don't know what the stuff is though

Tbh I'd like to see the results of that

[sage moat]

actually, mara lohk doesn't necessarily need to be "Void (noun)" it could be "(adjective) void"

"Little Void" perhaps?

if wally identifies himself as The Void, calling us "Little Voids" would be funny in a very wally-esque way. mocking our emptiness while simultaneously calling us his mini-mes

[slow bramble]

Tracks with calling us Kiddo

[sage moat]

the question then rises of "well why do the cavia do that?" and i mean. the cavia were granted their intelligence and language through wally, i don't think its out of the picture that they see us and their immediate thought is the only thing they were taught --- little void. Mara Lohk.

i actually really dig this theory

[ashen pulsar]

Hey I said that earlier

Another possibility is that “ne” could make a word negative

Like in French

[glacial bough]

Ne isn't a negative. For Void Tongue the prefix ka- is the negative, meaning "not"

[ashen pulsar]

Ah ok

[sage moat]

how do we know that

[violet storm]

Quick question; What technological black magic did the orokin use on Pluto to make the sun reach it and give it an atmosphere habitable enough to sustain plant life?

[strange plinth]

same stuff they used to make venus cold (not directly, obviously. just that they had an immense amount of terraforming tech)
prolly bio-engineering on top of that for other or reduced energy sources, in terms of plants

[high bay]

How would the Sentients fare in other franchises? Specifically Halo?

[quick wadi]

Usually it's hard to power scale between franchises, specially with such different universes. Sentients would probably wipe the floor with most halo factions since they can adapt to most any technology, and halo factions all basically operate off technology

their only real weakness is void energy so unless that's also...there?

sentients are only really a defeatable antagonist cause the void and tenno exist

[ashen pulsar]

Sentients would cook most opponents

Like not godly characters that are ridiculously unbalanced in most power scaling examples but sentients are pretty op

[high bay]

I mean, wouldn’t humanity have at least a fighting chance since they still rely on weaponry that Tau has a marginally harder time adapting to?

[quick wadi]

Not unless they have void powers

I mean they speak about technology but really they can adapt to everything, that's how it's shown in-game too

sure we can outdamage that adaptability but that's more a gameplay thing

[high bay]

There’s a codex entry somewhere that says that the reason traditional “shoot a piece of solid material” guns are used is because the Sentients couldn’t instantly neutralize them?

And humanity has those exact types of guns

[quick wadi]

I mean it might help a bit, but they're also incredibly powerful before talking about the adaptability. They're like a thousand years ahead in tech

Grineer tech is basically as simple ballistic as UNSC weaponry, and they have a MASSIVE army. Didn't help them

Like overall the entire schtick with sentients is that they're effectively unstoppable besides their one void weakness

The only thing that might put up some kind of fight is the flood cause they're also an unending force. But idk even then

Trying to compare two world ending cataclysmic forces from two different franchises never really works cleanly

[sage moat]

so the orokin practice the vain faith

which is implied to be the belief that things are only as they appear to be, essentially there's no point looking deeper

because of this, i think its safe to assume their art actually wasn't very good

superficially beautiul or cool, but without meaning. without relation to nuanced reality.

essentially,
the orokin would love "hype moments and aura" anime

the orokin would all be vegeta fans, is my lore theory

[ashen pulsar]

Like the Austrian dude

[sage moat]

ok you joke but yes that's what fascism is. "the vain faith" is extremely similar to real world fascism that praises idealistic beauty over anything grounded in reality and that's why the orokin are textbook fascists. the only thing from the playbook the orokin are missing is the "the world used to be good. now it sucks. elect us and it will be good again"
But we don't know much about the rise of the orokin, do we?

[ashen pulsar]

I don’t joke. That’s literally what his paintings were. They don’t look bad at all, but they had no feelings behind it.

[sage moat]

if we ever learn about the rise of the orokin, i'm going to assume that there was A Thing and there was A Problem, and they blamed the problem on the thing when there was no real relation.

[quick wadi]

The thing was their arm and the problem was they were too small

[strange plinth]

so far, the scaldra do seem to be a form of proto-orokin
and we already see that with viktor's speeches

[sage moat]

i don't think it's too far fetched to say that the orokin are way, way more recent than we think and the scaldra are their direct ideological ancestors

what we think of as thousands of years between 1999 and the start of the orokin era may only have been a few hundred.
And then the orokin era itself lasted a few thousand anyway, but you get my point.

especially given what rusalka says about who scaldra is working for

[sage moat]

not rusalka, minerva

[sly ibex]

The Infestation is based on The Flood, so that's likely part of why they made it such an effective weapon against the Sentients. The Flood is nuts, and so is the Infestation. Completely denied them access to Deimos.

[violet storm]

And absolutely messed up everything else on the moon

(Sorry bout tha ping)

[sly ibex]

No worries!

[sly ibex]

They cared less about that, though. As long as it slowed the Sentient advance and denied them access to Deimos. XD

[violet storm]

Deimos does house the heart, vital. Very vital. Without it, things would’ve gone down the proverbial drain for the orokin.

As long as it remained.

[restive river]

I believe the sentients and infestation sorta cancel eachother out
One constantly adapts to everything thrown at it while the other subsumes whatever’s thrown at it

[restive river]

Good thing the infestation seems to fear the void/wally
Won’t be touching the heart anytime soon

[swift steppe]

okay but can protoframe get their periods

i dont think they can

if they could that'd be weird

[proper barn]

They can do relations. Idk that is how they work though.

[swift steppe]

how can they have relations tho

nah thats weird

[proper barn]

They say they can. Half of them I can believe that par of them isn't covered up.

Cuz like I swear Aoi and Kaya Have to wear shirts

And I think even Quincy wears pants.

But it's sometimes is hard to figure out what is like removable or not.

[amber tartan]

so someone tell me what the stuff is in the left of my orbiter at the back

[swift steppe]

well amir says he can hear quincy have those types of relations lol

[proper barn]

The Infested Door?

[swift steppe]

poor amir

[amber tartan]

yeah

[proper barn]

It's helminth.

He's our buddy. He maintains our frames.

[swift steppe]

fr DE did a good job of blending the clothes and shit

[amber tartan]

i haven’t played in a long time so i dont remember this stuff

what exactly does he have to stab my neck for when i sat im the chair

[proper barn]

He's Helminth He's our buddy he maintains our frames. Go to diemos and get his segment to unlock more uses for him. You also get to name him.

[swift steppe]

hes sucking your soul

[strange plinth]

gets rid of the cyst permanently
on that frame

[swift steppe]

xD

[swift steppe]

but cant we still get the cyst back if we dont use that frame for a very long time ?

[proper barn]

No.

[strange plinth]

not tmk

[proper barn]

Only nidus can.

Also you can get rid of the cist very Early now.

[swift steppe]

mh i didnt know that

[amber tartan]

this is all so confusing

[swift steppe]

obviously lol

[proper barn]

As soon as you can see it you can get rid of it now. @swift steppe

[swift steppe]

can we get infected by randos that have a cyst

[proper barn]

Okay break it down one thing at a time.

[proper barn]

Yes.

[swift steppe]

yeahhhh but sometimes theyre well hidden

[swift steppe]

okay so its not permanent removal then you just need to have a random in your squad that has a cyst

[amber tartan]

so tenno are human right? or is that just the duviri

[strange plinth]

have you done second dream-

[proper barn]

No it is. That frame can't be infected again.

After you cure it.

[amber tartan]

prolly not

[proper barn]

Do the second dream.

[strange plinth]

ok the answer to that question is in that quest

[swift steppe]

okay thank you

[proper barn]

And the sacrifice too.

[amber tartan]

ive went through duviri and completely got through the stuff at first and at the end it asked me if i wanted to stay or leave

[proper barn]

As long as you get it removed by stabbing. If you turn it onto a dog it isn't permanently cured.

[swift steppe]

okay that makes sense

[proper barn]

That choice is just for dialog.

[amber tartan]

oh

why dont tenno talk

[swift steppe]

they do talk tho

[amber tartan]

when

[swift steppe]

operator has transmissions when you play with it

he/she says random stuff its funny but drifter doesnt say shit

[amber tartan]

ive never heard the tenno talk

[strange plinth]

they likely haven't done second dream

[swift steppe]

you prolly deactivated that setting

or what greyscale said

[amber tartan]

how do i do that

just go to duviri?

[swift steppe]

check your codex for quests

[strange plinth]

unlocked at the neptune junction iirc

[amber tartan]

oh okay

[strange plinth]

duviri is a side-mode

[amber tartan]

ill look into it

[swift steppe]

good luck

[amber tartan]

thanks

[swift steppe]

youre welcome

[ashen pulsar]

"lets go on the offensive" LET ME EXTRACT PLEASE

[swift steppe]

LMAO

MY WARFRAME IS STRONG

FOR THE LOTUS!!!

i forgot the other lines

[strange plinth]

"so the corpus are just a cult,,, worshipping money,,,"

[swift steppe]

yes

[ashen pulsar]

"if they attack us we will counter" im shooting them through walls while invisible so I can get a fun lil mod that doesnt even require me to kill them.

"we fought with honor" not anymore bozo

[swift steppe]

LMAOOOO

ON GODDDDDDDDD

[ashen pulsar]

"for the tenno" for my wallet

[swift steppe]

also who tf is "we" girl you did that all by yourself

[proper barn]

In the shape of a pyramid.

[ashen pulsar]

probably the tenno

[tall echo]

...no

[swift steppe]

well as far as i know my operator is only 1 person controling 1 warframe

[tall echo]

In the old war

[swift steppe]

but what do i know? maybe shes 5 person controling 1 frame

[swift steppe]

okay but were talking about operator transmissions in regular missions

[tall echo]

The honor thing is about the old war

[swift steppe]

yeah i know

i was just making a joke

xd

[tall echo]

And the tenno are still a group effort

A very bad group effort

[ashen pulsar]

"I will consider what I have learned from this skirmish" I did an assassination mission in 1 minute what did I learn

[tall echo]

That you can go fast

[swift steppe]

LMAOOOOO

[ashen pulsar]

"Move and strike, we have to win this." to some afk octavia somewhere

[swift steppe]

fr

the irony

[ashen pulsar]

"transference still holding" guys balls hasnt kicked us out of our frame yet

[tall echo]

"The grineer used to be builders, now all they make is war" hey buddy. Hypocritical much?

[swift steppe]

can he?

[swift steppe]

LMAOOO

[ashen pulsar]

"That was a close one." uuhhhhm... no.

it really wasnt

[swift steppe]

my op is so funny i love when she says "MY WARFRAME IS STRONG"

[ashen pulsar]

this is lvl 8 grineer

[swift steppe]

i gave her the childish female voice

and i gave my drifter the more adult female voice

[tall echo]

Mi oorfam ees stronk

[swift steppe]

LMAOAOOAO

[ashen pulsar]

I evaporate them when I breath too loud that was not close

[swift steppe]

he aint doing shit 🗣️

[tall echo]

Something something crude and dangerous grineer weapons

[ashen pulsar]

"Ballistics and archaic weapons, crude and dangerous, just like the Grineer."

[tall echo]

I'm glad the drifter doesn't feel the need to talk every 2 minutes

[swift steppe]

my operator doesnt talk that much

[ashen pulsar]

its extra ironic if you have a kuva weapon when he says this

[swift steppe]

and also drifter prolly dont talk because he an adult

[tall echo]

Mine did

[swift steppe]

well theyre an adult

[swift steppe]

welll thats weird lol i wish shed talk a bit more cuz its funny

[tall echo]

Now my operator is banished to the shadow realm

[swift steppe]

😔

[ashen pulsar]

"mine did" before helminth ate them

[swift steppe]

lol

[tall echo]

I don't even bother updating my op's outfit when I edit my drifter

[ashen pulsar]

one too many "Keep talking... we're still trying to figure out how dumb you are"s

[swift steppe]

me but i dont bother doing that w my drifter cuz i cant make them look good idk why

[tall echo]

Kiddo's clothes are three fashion styles old

[swift steppe]

LMAO thats rough

[tall echo]

I'll give op attention again when they're needed for a quest

[blissful merlin]

I’ve barely paid any attention to my own OP. Everything been focused on the drifter for me since lotus eaters came out lol

[tall echo]

Fashion skill issue

[swift steppe]

illl try again when the update drops bcz well have new hair

[tall echo]

I've had to deal with dark souls' character creator, wf's is insanely easy to get good result with in comparison

Seriously, when it's easy to accidentally make waluigi something is wrong

[swift steppe]

lol

[hexed oxide]

Whatever do you mean ? Miyazaki-sama is an expert at designing

[swift steppe]

i think my problem is i dont have the plushie thingy for drifter and i rlly want that it would complement the fit so well but drifter doesnt have it so i just dont fashion it

[tall echo]

You forgot "Feet" at the end of that

[hexed oxide]

Fromsoft feet are not that detailed, and he didn't cast himself into...let's just say a scene, like tarantino did

[swift steppe]

loll

[tall echo]

They're extremely prominent

[swift steppe]

goodnight tennos

[hexed oxide]

Prominent is not the same as detailed. Trust me, i've done my research

[tall echo]

They are both

[placid thunder]

Without spoiling the entire quest (I just finished CC), why does the drifter not bleed?

I'm surprised, he just said a word we can't say on this server

[hexed oxide]

Idk if it's ever properly explained

Either void fkery/powers or DE not doing blood splatters

[placid thunder]

Until you look at a Grineer and they turn into a Kurosawa shot

[hexed oxide]

Also yeah, drifter and some other people further in the storyline just ignore DE's swear filter

[hexed oxide]

They do gore, but they don't do blood leaks 🤷‍♂️

[placid thunder]

I made mine look like Hiroyuki Sanada

Idk if I can post gifs here, but I guarantee you've seen him

[hexed oxide]

i know the movies but didn't know his name

[placid thunder]

Honestly I hope this keeps going because this is the ONE TIME Warframe captions don't suck

(Please, for the love of The Orokin, fix your captions DE. Now I'm missing the context of every quest AND an ear)

[placid thunder]

This quest is so cool

[hexed oxide]

which ?

[placid thunder]

Just logged off so idk what it's called, but the whole Drifter thing

Gave up cause the defense mission glitched

[oak steeple]

I want to see the unum alreeeeeaaaaaaadyyyyyyyy

ughhhhhhhhh

[graceful swan]

Then go to Cetus
or do TNW

[oak steeple]

But we never see the unum

Just the tower and inside of it

[graceful swan]

You don’t need to see Unum to hear Unum

Plus the tower is still her house

[oak steeple]

what

[graceful swan]

She helps you in TNW

She stops time

[brittle siren]

Technically she is the Tower

Every flesh wall is hers

Idk how she work tbh. Does she have a main core or sth. Or she a spirit that haunted the tower. Or she could just form her own mind out of nowhere

[tall echo]

The tower is the unum

[oak steeple]

Well yeah but she's still a being

Even after she became one with the tower

They call her a spirit but that's speculation

Void powers be void powering I think

Unles she's a whole other power herself lmao

Goddamnit we don't know

Lmaoo

Either way I hope we see more of the unum than just hearing her in the tower

Especially with seeing time all at once

Who knows she might give us some free kuva

[tall echo]

She is the tower

[oak steeple]

Still a being

[tall echo]

Beyond the tower, no

[oak steeple]

Sheis one with the tower but is still a being probably capable of having her own body seperate from the tower

Either way only DE knows for sure so we can't really be sure

[tall echo]

Zero evidence for that assumption

[oak steeple]

What's your evidence of her only being the tower?

Ordis tells us she's a spirit

[strange turtle]

A tower spirit

[oak steeple]

YeaH

[tall echo]

The fact that she couldn't do anything in tnw when the tower was out of power and gara died to protect the tower

[tall echo]

Ordis is far from all-knowing

[oak steeple]

I was going to say ordis only told us what the ostrons think she is

[oak steeple]

That doesn't mean she's just the tower

Spirit?

[tall echo]

What else could it mean

If the unum isn't the tower gara's death was pointless and she was just too lazy to help us at first

[oak steeple]

Almost like it's the unums purpose to be in the tower

We don't know what the unum can do

All we know is she see's time

[tall echo]

??

[oak steeple]

And can create kuva

[tall echo]

We know that she can freeze time when the tower is powered

[oak steeple]

Yeah

I think she's also able to communicate across cetus

[tall echo]

So if she isn't the tower why did she not help until it was powered

[oak steeple]

Probably because she's connected to it

She needs the power from the tower to do anything

[tall echo]

Why

[oak steeple]

Idk lmao

[tall echo]

Actually, turn it around. What evidence do you have that she isn't the tower

[graceful swan]

Even the people of Cetus don’t know what she really is

Onkko maybe does

[oak steeple]

I don't, that's the thing, none of us know what the unum actually is

Yeah like onkko is the closest to the unum so maybe eventually we can find out more from him

[tall echo]

There is evidence that she is the tower

Until proven otherwise, there is no reason to think she isn't

[oak steeple]

That she can't do anything without power going to the tower? Is that evidence?

[graceful swan]

Isn’t there a note somewhere that says she sits at the pin centre of something

[oak steeple]

"Ostrons believe she sits at the pin-center of the universe, listening to the infinite poetry of cause-and-effect."

What happened to the other towers? Did they also have a being inside of the tower?

[graceful swan]

No

[violet storm]

If I recall, They got destroyed, and the Unum is the last one standing.

[graceful swan]

The other towers were destroyed by the Sentients

[oak steeple]

Yeah but did the other towers have a being in each one of them? That's what I'm wondering

[graceful swan]

Nope

No magical being at least

[oak steeple]

Then I don't see how the unum is the tower. She has powers, most likely from the void, and she has a voice

[graceful swan]

The only tower that remains on a planet is Unum

The Void towers still exist

Sentients couldn’t get to them without poisoning themselves

[lean garden]

While I get where youre going, wouldnt the fact that the unum's successful resistance against the Sentient demonstrate a quality that the other towers do not possess? Like a "spirit" perhaps?

[oak steeple]

Yeah lol that's what I'm saying

The unum is a spirit, maybe like the indifference with void power

powers*

[graceful swan]

I doubt she has Void powers specifically so far all we know is time power

[oak steeple]

She creates kuva

[graceful swan]

All towers can create Kuva tbh

All towers have Kuva in them

[lean garden]

eh?

[oak steeple]

There's temple kuva

But it's hers

[modern steppe]

[oak steeple]

Also didn't the unum create a barrier to protect the tower from that sentient?

How can she do that?

[modern steppe]

not elaborated upon

[oak steeple]

huh?

[modern steppe]

much like everything else with the Unum

[oak steeple]

Ah

[lean garden]

not quite, what I'm saying is there isnt a good distinction between the Unum spirit and the Unum Tower. So when you look upon the tower, it is still the unum you see

Ordis almost tries to scan the tower during TNW, but you dissuade him against that just in case it would make the unum mad

[oak steeple]

No they say it's not necessary because there was no need to figure out what it was

We knew it was the unum that stopped tgime

[lean garden]

ah, I know who you chose lol

[oak steeple]

Lol

[oak steeple]

Lollll

Damn different dialogues

This just makes it harder to tell wether it was the unum being mad or just that we already knew it was the unum so there was no need to try and scan

[graceful swan]

Scan would’ve failed anyway

[oak steeple]

Yeah

I wonder if the unum will be included in the next main story quest

[graceful swan]

Probably not

This is Void war arc she’s a minor character and probably prefers it that way

[oak steeple]

Well I remember in interviews we will be getting more stuff on the unum in the future I'm just excited to see when

[graceful swan]

Maybe after current arc

She prefers protecting Cetus and letting her Organisation deal with us

[hollow siren]

lore discussion

[hidden cove]

ah my bad

[strange turtle]

Garuda moment

[silk atlas]

Third orb moment

[chrome rivet]

Is there a reason why we can use Warframes in 1999 despite the fact that the Heart of Deimos hasn't existed by then?

[graceful swan]

Nothing says Albrecht didn’t build a small heart, Eleanor only guesses

[hollow siren]

yeah rn the reason is kinda unknown

[chrome rivet]

Yeah. I need a definite answer for a story idea of mine

[misty helm]

Maybe the reactor?

[lean garden]

Reactor is probably not a mini-heart

[lean garden]

well there just aint one

[graceful swan]

Considering it’s a story and not official canon why do you need a definitive answer?

[ashen pulsar]

Make your own

[restive river]

No definitive answer

There’s theories
The Heart in the origin system is somehow connected to the protos
Albrecht made a mini heart in 1999 for the protos and other void tech
The protos are powered by the hearts in their vessels (doesn’t entirely work but the theory is there)

It’s touched on with Eleanor but no answer is given
DE put thought into it but didn’t give us an answer

[graceful swan]

What if

The heart in Origin is powering the vessels that is powering the Protos

[restive river]

Only issue is the Protos come before the Vessels

Also it is unknown if all the Protos have vessels

[tribal cape]

since we can quite freely travel to 1999 I'd assume the connection between Tenno and Protoframes goes through Deimos Heart

[graceful swan]

Heart came after the Void still pumps it

[tribal cape]

I have to replay the campaign, maybe before next big quest

[restive river]

What?
The Tenno’s connections to the frames has nothing to do with the heart

[restive river]

Yes
But the issue is we don’t know if the protos always had a connection to the void or if they only got it after Albrecht made the vessels with their samples

[graceful swan]

We should be asking Albrecht these questions

[restive river]

By the time of 1999 it makes sense but
The timeline isn’t clear unfortunately ):

[restive river]

Real
Let us sit him and the other scholars down

[strange turtle]

They also had the frame’s void powers before they even interacted with the Drifter

So even if it did that wouldn’t add up

[woven coyote]

When warframe comes to the end of it's life cycle i hope the story team gathers their notes and makes a definitive story companion book

[swift steppe]

i dont think its ever going to end

its been going on for 12 years why not continue for another 12?

[woven coyote]

I'm talking more on like the hardware and software side, eventually it has to be too hard to keep updating the same system

[sage moat]

?

[swift steppe]

what? that makes no sense have you seen 2010 video games?

[sage moat]

warframe's gotten end eventually. all things end.

[swift steppe]

alright whatever

i gotta kill vay hek for hydroid chassis

annoying rat keeps giving me the systems

[woven coyote]

I'm not hating on warframe i'm talking the reality of software and hardware support

[graceful swan]

DE have been changing up things already to account for the things we own

[woven coyote]

For sure but i imagine some of it gotta reach its limits eventually

[sage moat]

saying warframe is unbreakable strikes me as arrogant. all things have a beginning and an end but unbreakable suggests that an object has flouted those laws; discarded its natural limitations. culture civilization everything human kind has created even the idea of god destroy the laws destroy the things the laws allow. doesn't that seem unfair? like how thinking too hard about something makes it more difficult? instead of giving hope you take it away. we might as well discard morals entirely

anyway i detest long conversations/ref

[swift steppe]

its NOT that serious

i just dont want it to have an end

well not yet

[sage moat]

i know lol im referencing guilty gear

[woven coyote]

I dont think anyone here wants it to, but reality is that software and hardware eventually gotta buckle

[sage moat]

https://tenor.com/view/bedman-clap-cinema-gif-11721138591895485568

[graceful swan]

We die with the Sun

[sage moat]

now that being said i can see warframe surviving for a whiiiiile and when it dies it'll almost certainly have a successor --- whether by DE or someone else

[woven coyote]

Yup

[sage moat]

warframe 2 is a funny joke but also extremely possible

in like, 18 years, but still

[woven coyote]

Anyway when the end comes i hope DE can do this

I want those questions answered gosh darn it

[restive river]

It doesn’t have to end but all things do eventually end lol
That’s just a fact

[swift steppe]

😦

[restive river]

It very likely won’t be anytime soon, afaik Warframe and DE are doing well

[restive river]

It’s sad but it’s true
All things end

[graceful swan]

Luckily DE do plan long term

[restive river]

Also like
Things do, unfortunately, need to end eventually
Thankfully Warframe does do enough different things that I think it will be fine for a good long while but stagnation is not good

[swift steppe]

as long as DE doesnt make the same mistake as bungie i think were fine

[restive river]

I can see Warframe going for another 10 years tbh depending on their plans
Whether or not it actually will has yet to be seen but it’s got an amazing community and fantastic devs so I’m sure it will be fine

[swift steppe]

or whatever the studio of destiny is

[restive river]

That is Bungie yes

[woven coyote]

Biggest hurdle i could theoretically imagine for warframe's longevity is the infamous spagetthi code

But then again DE are pros are unspagetthifying

[restive river]

DE doesn’t make us pay for basic content so that’s already pretty good

[swift steppe]

yeah

[restive river]

It is kind of a wonder that the game looks and plays as well as it does for being 10+ years old by this point

[swift steppe]

fr

[restive river]

Like Warframe has the potential and arguably is one of the greatest MMOs out there

[normal mountain]

Bungie
And I sincerely doubt that will ever happen
unless we get an entirely new administrative team, which I cannot see happening

[woven coyote]

Code that old could make a rat's nest blush

[restive river]

And if that happens I rather the game die than they beat it’s corpse

[swift steppe]

i have the same opinion

[restive river]

It’s why I rather TF2 get shut down
It’s just a dead horse being beaten for money kept alive by the community

[swift steppe]

and also i dont think reb and uh i forgot his name will let that slide

[restive river]

Steve

[swift steppe]

yes steve i wasnt sure

[sage moat]

give us TF3!!!!!!
give us the orange box2!!!

[restive river]

I do think that worst case if Steve and Rebb go they have others who will keep the vision alive

But only time will tell

[swift steppe]

yes but if the game goes to shit i really dont think that reb and steve are going to let that slide

like surely theyll do anything to get the game back

[restive river]

Not unless they have to let it slide from a legal standpoint

[distant leaf]

I think WF can keep going as long as its regularly supported and doesnt become as pay for everything as other ftp games are now.
Atleast you can get some skins and customizations from playing the game vs others you just have to shell out cash for it all.

[swift steppe]

yeah and if thats the case well thats just extremely sad because warframe is their baby lol

[normal mountain]

Honestly, I expect 99% of the player base to boycott the game entirely until Steve and Reb get it back

[sage moat]

if you collect the codex fragments on Callisto you'll actually get the secret lore that reb made a deal with wally to make warframe last forever

[restive river]

Heck you can earn platinum through other players to get none free skins
minus the prime access items

[swift steppe]

same

[swift steppe]

omg that would be goated LMAO

[restive river]

The monkey’s paw curls and he actually made Warframe real and we’re living in it

[distant leaf]

Exactly. If i could trade my duplicate exotics in D2 for silver to buy a cosmetic or something. It'd be better

[restive river]

Unfortunately the techrot didn’t start soon enough

[swift steppe]

IMHO every major video game studio should take DE and Warframe as an exemple of what to do and what not to do to have an extremely successful game that can last for years hell even decades or whatever the word is for 10+years

[distant leaf]

I just wish I could trade regular frames to low levels in WF so all of them dont go to waste when I've been playing enough to have several sets of frames i've already built.

[restive river]

Warframe is one of the best MMOs with a fantastic community behind it with amazing devs who actually care about and play their game AND communicate with their players

[distant leaf]

Like i trade u this nyx or whoever for a fish bro

[swift steppe]

i think that would be too good lol

[normal mountain]

...
cue me wondering when Albrecht will show up so I can become a protoframe
question is, which frame would suit me best?

[restive river]

You’re kinda just meant to toss those frames into Helminth
And you can always trade lower level players prime frames :)

[swift steppe]

its so good im gonna cry like how is this real

[graceful swan]

You’re immune to the Infestation though

[restive river]

Unfortunately you don’t get to choose!
You will now become Oberon :)

[swift steppe]

lmao unlucky

[distant leaf]

Ive already tossed me in helminth and i'd do that but im still working on prime frames too. I do give out primes i already have and tradeable weapons.

[graceful swan]

Nah you’ll become Loki

[normal mountain]

Jokes on you, I'm actually pretty good with Oberon

[restive river]

Nice :D

[sage moat]

if my strain is based on the feyarch skin? ill take it

[distant leaf]

Gave a low MR an ambassador set and friended him so i can give him the bp when he hits 10

[restive river]

I need the devs to rework him so I can play him-

[sage moat]

ill 100% be the oberon protoframe. fits me in fact

[distant leaf]

Since they're buffing it

[restive river]

Ambassador rework in a week…

[graceful swan]

You’ll be unmodded though like the Hex

[distant leaf]

Oberon only has a 2 and a 3.

[normal mountain]

This would work
Stealth boy was my second frame
fits my mischievous trickster personality well too

[restive river]

It’s so weird that mods are canon cause
Scaldra drops mods
So they have mods?
How old are mods????

[sage moat]

oberon's 4 is a 100% armor stripped when used in combination with his 2 you people need to learn my boy before insulting him 🗣️

[swift steppe]

yes

[normal mountain]

Rarely use Reckoning tbh, so this is nice to know

[distant leaf]

Which was announced after i ran some orb vallis with a DE employee and asked if they can make a variation that can keep up with end game bc I love it but cant get it to work in SP at all

[swift steppe]

guys what frame is good in EVERY content of the game like the frame is good at EVERYTHING, defense, survival, interception, capture, etc etc etc etc please

[restive river]

I’m sure I’ll get to Oberon eventually
I’m slowly bouncing between every frame, learning them, seeing how I can make them good and if I like their play style

[normal mountain]

use it more than Smite tho

[woven coyote]

There is a nekros in the squad, you now have no energy

[distant leaf]

Exacalibur

Jack of all trades, master of blinding

[swift steppe]

im asking for real

[restive river]

tbh they should’ve added a Tenet variant by now

[graceful swan]

Samodeus must’ve been alive in 1999 but not a Cephalon yet

[sage moat]

ah yes, nekros and oberon, the toxic yaoi frames

[restive river]

Lmao real

Or maybe an ancestor to Samodeus who invented mods

[normal mountain]

There is
Sadly, it's a skin

[restive river]

Protomods

[distant leaf]

I honestly asked them for a prime variant with more power.

[restive river]

Oh right ):
at least it’ll maybe be good soon?

[woven coyote]

They really need to fix that energy drain on oberon's heal that thing is too much

[graceful swan]

Protos don’t even have mods

[restive river]

Woulda been perfect with Protea Prime ngl

[restive river]

But Scaldra does?

[distant leaf]

They said bc it didnt release with a frame and its corpus that it isnt likely but that they would bring it up

[woven coyote]

Thinking about it, they didn't have an arsenal to install mods until we unlocked the backrooms

[restive river]

Ah yeah that makes sense

No stug prime either

[restive river]

True
But like
How does Scaldra have mods then? Did Albrecht give them an arsenal?

[distant leaf]

Im stuck on my 5 primaries. AX, Fulmin P, Jupiter, Ambassador, Gotva P.

[restive river]

Or are we somehow getting info from Scaldra weapons and making mods in the moment..??

[distant leaf]

Aeolak wasnt worth the grind by the time i got it.

[graceful swan]

Maybe Albrecht brought them

[distant leaf]

But its fun going in lower lvls

[restive river]

Maybe!

[distant leaf]

So i'll add it as #6

Havent found any secondaries or melees im stuck to. I mean i usually run vesper and sun&moon so i guess those two

[sage moat]

was the lotus ever in tau

[restive river]

I believe so yeah

All the sentients went to Tau
New sentients woulda been made there
Then the old war started and some sentients (Hunhow, Erra, Natah) went to the Origin System

[sage moat]

i see, thank you

[strange turtle]

Bedboy

[hollow siren]

she was born there

[safe shell]

struggling to come up with a head cannon as to why the warframes appear to be made of stone in the opening cinematic and the awakening quest picture

[stiff fable]

oh that's not hard, over the thousand years they were sitting in place, they were covered in a layer of stone from being rained on

[safe shell]

thats a thing that happens?

[stiff fable]

Yes actually! Particularly in highly polluted areas

Like "the entire surface of the planet" in the Orokin Era

same process that creates stalagmites

[safe shell]

well thanks! verry intersesting!

[sly pagoda]

In fact I believe void transit makes a sentient sterile.

[glacial bough]

It straight up kills them

They're only sterile because Praghasa wrecked herself instead

[lean garden]

The Sentients did they unfathomable return to Origin by doing the one thing unfathomable to the Orokin: taking the L for the team

[north jolt]

With absolutely no bias at all, Wukong but also probably a better question to ask in general or gameplay

[north jolt]

I was going to say probably just caked on dust and sediment

But now thinking about it, how did no one stumble the starter frames in that tower prior to the game? like least with the old intro the Grineer and Vor had to go out of their way to open up void portals and drag us out of cryostasis, but now we just sitting there exposed and undefended for thousands of years

[modern steppe]

Well to be fair the Grineer and anyone for that matter have a lot of space to work with (literally and figuratively)

So unlikely for them to have explored 100% of Earth to stumble upon these

The other thing in relation to modern times is that we just conveniently came back at the right time in the right circumstance for Vor to attempt experimenting with the frames instead of destroying them completely

[stiff fable]

The locals clearly knew about it already, since the girl goes straight there

Meanwhile the major factions didn't get interested in Tenno lore until the Tenno started waking up, so it's only relatively recently that they started seriously hunting for Warframes

[magic turtle]

Ngl I feel like if the hex heard everything that happened to the operator they would legit crash out. The amount of concern they'd have for him would be indescribable

[hexed oxide]

how far into the kim chats are you ?

[swift steppe]

im not sure they would crash out tho

imo theyd be concerned yes because well wtf thats a kid but like what can they do? nothing

[magic turtle]

Finished up to third point in standing

[magic turtle]

What I meant is that their mind will buffer, it won't make sense for them, it would make them feel not just concern but just... How do I put it...

[hexed oxide]

idk when but i think eleanor does say smth about it. and i think she's specially concerned since telepathy let her see it more accurately

also quincy does call drifter "space trauma", probably would call operator the same lol

[swift steppe]

yes but thats "cheating" bcz she can see in drifter's mind

the other hex members cant do that

[swift steppe]

lol yeah

[hexed oxide]

found the chat

eleanor says ||"Tell me, after everything they’ve been through and are still going through, how is that child not catatonic in a hospital?"||

and from the follow ups, i'd think she's a bit concerned for the operator

[swift steppe]

prolly cause operator dont give one single shit and bcz its all theyve known

thats what id reply to her question if i could

i forgot if we replied to it

[hexed oxide]

i think this is the closest to what you'd answer

[swift steppe]

who is who

who is red who is blue

[hexed oxide]

eleanor is blue, red is drifter

[swift steppe]

okay

i mean operator has been conditioned

i think thats the word? idk but operator doesnt know anything than that

but eleanor isnt wrong either

[hexed oxide]

i don't think conditioned, only trained

if our operator is like others, look at rell or jade's operator, they are a normal kid however you look at them

well, "normal"

[swift steppe]

imo operator is more f'up than jade op and rell

but that might be a biased opinion

[hexed oxide]

jade's op was about to have a breakdown iirc, just from the old war mind you. rell had been living inside his warframe for void knows how long

[sage moat]

so. i was thinking about 1999

[swift steppe]

wait actually wtf was rells warframe

[hexed oxide]

harrow

[swift steppe]

wait wasnt it harrow?

[sage moat]

and i just can't accept that drifter has nothing to do with the timeloop

[swift steppe]

oh LMAO im lowkey dumb asl

[hexed oxide]

the harrow that was stuck inside that tree

[swift steppe]

why couldnt rell get out tho i forgor

[hexed oxide]

i think it was bc he gave up his body to live longer and hold back the indifference for longer

[swift steppe]

rell our true lord and savior

[swift steppe]

why

[sage moat]

because they do the duviri hand slam, then the duviri spiral appears that's at the start and end of the duviri paradox quest, then time loops

COME ON MAN. if albrecht just Can Do That and its not a direct ability of the drifter, that's just misplaced callbacks

[swift steppe]

wait when you watch the trailer for isleweaver rusalka ALSO DOES THE HAND SLAM

[sage moat]

yes! rusalka will likely loop duviri at least once

[swift steppe]

but i dont think albrecht can do the hand slam and make the world loop

i mean yes he can do the gesture everyone can but not everyone can make the world loop

[sage moat]

well it wouldn't be a hand slam it would just be magic void tech or whatever. but the prevailing theory is that albrecht caused the loop which i just can't believe

[hexed oxide]

loid says this

Drifter,
I can make no sense at all of these readings. Your site of temporal injection has somehow shifted. Your loop now encompasses the entire year of 1999.
Albrecht's interference is to blame, no doubt. What does he feel you need more time to achieve? He surely must have given guidance, however cryptic!

[sage moat]

consider
Loid does not know about duviri
Loid can be wrong

"Albrecht's interference is to blame, no doubt" even feels like a tongue and cheek line from the writers, like
"You know what it really was"

[swift steppe]

yes but he might not be wrong about albrecht interference BUT drifter is the only one out of duviri that can do the hand slam and make world loop (IMO)

[swift steppe]

i call BS

[sage moat]

well before 1999 we didn't have any evidence drifter could do that, in or out of duviri. we only knew that dominus thrax could

[hexed oxide]

if i had to guess, drifter may have control over duviri's loop even if he gave the power back to thrax, but drifter is still related to duviri. because of that connection, albrecht did some fkery and connected drifter's connection to 1999

[sage moat]

that im fine with

im not fine with albrecht just Having The Ability To Create Loops

[swift steppe]

NO ILL NEED TO RESET THE YEAR I WANT TO KMS

I HATE MY LIFE

[sage moat]

happened to me too. i just used kimulacrum

that being said, better hope the eclipse boolean doesn't show up in isleweaver

[hexed oxide]

like, imagine duviri is a router, and drifter is made into a relay

[swift steppe]

I HAD IT RIGHT THE FIRST TIME I JUST THINK I SAID SOMETHING WRONG BY ACCIDENT

OMG I HATE MYSELF

im so mad i had happy ending w everyone but them

i dont want to reset bruh i just bagged quincy ffs

[sage moat]

quincy liker??

[swift steppe]

yeah bcz he shouldnt have that ability

[swift steppe]

im a huge simp for quincy

LMAO

[sage moat]

pretty sure he's the least romanced hex member

[swift steppe]

hes so hot thoooooooooo

[hexed oxide]

https://tenor.com/view/warframe-headpats-protoframe-eleanor-nightingale-gif-8680164481766692212

[sage moat]

hes also kind of a jerk

[swift steppe]

if i reset i might go for arthur again lol i had broken up with him because his hair and beard was making weird ass color thingy in the backroom and it was pmo

like it wasnt the color its supposed to be i rlly hated it

or i might just stay single for the ending with kalymos

idk

[swift steppe]

real but he reminds me of someone so i dont rlly care

[hexed oxide]

i was torn between lettie and eleanor

[sage moat]

i see

you're a freak

[hexed oxide]

but then one of eleanor's line sold me 😔

well, several lines

[swift steppe]

lmaoo

i rlly like flare's voice

lowkey if we could romance kaya and shit id romance flare just because they have a very pretty voice

lol

[hexed oxide]

i can't find the one, but

then there is all of the backroom talk

[swift sentinel]

Eleanor is pretty self-deprecating, but in like a cute way.

[hexed oxide]

i beg to differ

jk, she does say some things like that, calls herself a monster and so

[swift steppe]

LMAO I JUST HAD THAT CONVO WITH HER

THE ONE with the tail

[hexed oxide]

eleanor was the one who got me into coda hunting bc i just had to get the tail feather ephemera for her lol

[swift steppe]

lmaoo

i keep getting the same things when i hunt coda liches it pmo so much i just gave up

i got a new coda lich a few hours earlier and its dj rom so ill keep it bcz i wanted to convert all of the boy band members but then i think imma farm them so i can actually get the plushies and ephemeras etc

[hexed oxide]

ever got any dark coloured one ? like, one whose clothes don't make him look like a neon clown

[swift steppe]

LMAOOO i dont know why are you asking

ill need to see it again but thats gonna be tomorrow bcz im cooked

they do like very bright colors and funky colors too tho

idk why

[hexed oxide]

bc i want a zeke with colour similar to concept art

so i can have them as on call and scare newbs

[swift steppe]

good luck youll need it

ill hit you up if i get one tho

if i remember....................

[hexed oxide]

imagine you're fighting some measly lvl 20 grineer after completing your first junction and suddenly a tentacle monster that you can't damage shows up

[swift steppe]

LMAOOO thats terrifying

[hexed oxide]

example of what i don't want vs what i want

sadly it seems the latter was a bug

[swift steppe]

what does "the latter" mean? (im not anglophone)

[swift steppe]

1st one looks good if you ignore the green

[hexed oxide]

the later or last one of 2 examples

[swift steppe]

so the 2nd picture?

wait how is 2nd pic a bug

[hexed oxide]

smth about the user's coda that changed from looking like the first to looking "default"

[swift steppe]

urgh annoying

[hexed oxide]

also the second has a whole sister of parvos inside him, she's blocking his chest hole

[swift steppe]

LMAOO theyre becoming one

i hope you find the canon coda liches you want

[hexed oxide]

gonna try smth because i just read that apparently it's an ongoing bug and they change to "default" colors when set to be on call

[swift steppe]

omg let me know if it works

[sage moat]

i also love flare but wouldn't date them

i relate a lot to flare and that would feel weird to me

me and flare are totes besties tho its glamrock gaming

[swift steppe]

i see

i relate a lot to kaya and amir

[swift steppe]

https://tenor.com/view/david-bowie-bowie-gif-26933630

[slow bramble]

For some reason I saw this thumbnail and I just
I want to beat him with his own giant arm
Now I'm wondering where in the character design process the giant arm came from

[sage moat]

dsiege my beloathed

[slow bramble]

But also it's just so perfectly club shaped and oh?

[restive river]

Iirc the long arms are akin to like
Rich people having fake moles and stuff

[sage moat]

so i think the surface level reason here is that its a nice visual shorthand for an orokin character. the Family has it too, for example

[restive river]

It makes them look both human let inhuman in the case of the Orokin
That and the blue skin

Albrecht is the only known Orokin to not have it
He’s just different, even before he got his flesh flayed and regrown by his boyfriend

[sage moat]

a slightly deeper reason is as ducky said, it gives them a slightly inhuman air about them which might be intentionally in universe as well as out
Beyond that i really can't think of much else it could represent, design wise

[restive river]

Fun fact; Neci uses the Orokin rig cause she has her long prosthetic arm!

[slow bramble]

Slightly late but the blinking is in response to the being flayed bit

[restive river]

Considering they’re very vain by this point it could be a mix of beauty in asymmetry too

[sage moat]

1999 practically begs us to consider the possibility that the orokin only happened like 100 years after 1999 or so.
This isn't very likely. but they give us a LOT of evidence pointing to it

[slow bramble]

That's the weird thing. Humans LOOOVE symettry

[restive river]

On Albrecht’s first venture into the void he came out without his skin and eyes and no voice
Loid had to heal him and regrow back a bunch of him :)

[restive river]

Well the Orokin are really weird future humans :]

[slow bramble]

Ah lol

[restive river]

Actually it seems they originate in 1999 and become the Orokin and control the system for 10k years

[slow bramble]

Not just weird future humans. Now I'm just soaking in the beauty of the design. When rich assholes decide they like a thing, they take it too extremes

[restive river]

In the comic Albrecht says Hollvania will lead humanity and iirc the Hollvanian government has ties to ORO

[slow bramble]

His arm MIGHT have looked nice... if it wasn't so perfectly club shaped

[sage moat]

rusalka's arm, ballas mentioning dualism as something the orokin believed in and not some ancient religion, they're both fascist, minerva's line about the scaldra's owners wanting to remake the world
But i simply can not pull myself to believing the scaldra are literally the precursors to the orokin by a matter of anything other than centuries. I can not for the life of me believe that

[restive river]

Aw dang it
One sec :p

[sage moat]

got sniped

[slow bramble]

ORO?

[restive river]

ORO is an organization in 1999

[sage moat]

theres a comic?

[restive river]

Well it’s not Scaldra directly
They’re just part of the picture, the militaristic religion part of it

[slow bramble]

Ooh now his arm looks like a whip : D

[restive river]

https://www.warframe.com/media/comics/warframe1999

[slow bramble]

Scaldra being a precursor to the Grineer I can see

[restive river]

They actually aren’t
That’s been de-confirmed iirc

Like they’re maybe cousins but
No real connection aside from chemical weapons

[slow bramble]

But I can still see it

[restive river]

The Grineer didn’t even start as soldiers :p

[slow bramble]

EXACTLY

[restive river]

Oh many can, but there’s no actual connection other than “looks like”

[slow bramble]

yeah so... it feels like they can thread the needle

[restive river]

It does make me wonder if there’s a sort of Corpus analog in 1999 which
Atm they’re done with it

[sage moat]

i dont even quite get the resemblance. they both use chemical weaponry but they use different kinds of chemical weaponry with different aesthetics

[slow bramble]

Like the chunk that was actually the Orokin Empire is what's actually missing.

[restive river]

And Scaldra is sorta a mix between the Grineer and Corpus themes
Militaristic chemical weapon group that’s also very religious

[slow bramble]

Exactly

I can see where the evolutionary cousin lines are

[sage moat]

also if the comic does say entrati says that hollvania will lead humanity than... yeah the ORO are most certainly precursors to the orokin. which.
Yknow its not a big deal but i dont know how much i like that

[restive river]

I think it’s to some extent their general designs ig
Like I can somewhat see it and some grineer items can be styled for a scaldra aesthetic but that’s kinda it

[sage moat]

i think i dont like it but im gonna need to sit on it for a while

[slow bramble]

Grinneer Scorpions and Scaldra Scythe Ladies are clearly cousins/ have similar modeling