lore-discussion

[woven coyote]

Eternal torment

[sly ibex]

[restive river]

Them being infested keeps em humble

[woven coyote]

Neil absolutely nailed "annoying posh fish"

[sly ibex]

But we helped fix them by now. q_q R5, so now let's fix their bodies!

[restive river]

Fixed for now yes

[stiff fable]

weirdly, being infested probably is helping keep them safe from Wally

[woven coyote]

I feel like keeping them further than arms reach from eachother is part of the therapy

[restive river]

Yeah

Also like
Even with R5 Kaeilli says some not so great stuff about Kahl iirc

[woven coyote]

They do not behave when within arms reach

[restive river]

Like she does change and I do think all of the Entrati are open to change now but that’s part of them being infested and having our help

[sly ibex]

The Veilbreaker stuff doesn't take Entrati rank into account, I thought.

[restive river]

It’s hard to say when the therapy is done essentially

[restive river]

It doesn’t
Which one could say it technically takes place before but you could also say it takes place after
It doesn’t really matter cause getting them to R5 shouldn’t shift their opinion on Grineer, it’s her growing relationship with Kahl that does that

The Entrati are open to change due to being. Changed for so long

Also as stated them being infested def keeps them safe from Wally to some extent
The infestation fears him so it will move away from him

Also like
I don’t think there is any cure for the infestation? That’s kinda one of the problems

[sly ibex]

Salad's cure could work. Perhaps with some tweaks to shrink them back down.

[woven coyote]

At least not when its that late

[stiff fable]

any cure that gets used gets "patched" for lack of a better word

That's why Salad was a one-off

[restive river]

Alad’s cure was for a specific strain that only infested tech

Also that

They’ve been wormed for like
At least a thousand years, very likely more

Their current state is probably the best it will be

[stiff fable]

yeah but they spent most of it in void stasis, right?

[restive river]

Not void stasis iirc, just sleeping in the infestation

I don’t recall void stasis being a thing at least

Deimos was in the void but they were in the necralisk, presumably already infested by that point

Unfortunately we don’t know when Deimos entered the void
Just that it did at some point

It was infested during the old war for sure though so the Entrati were likely infested during that since they weren’t at the night of the naga drums

It’s actually kinda amazing they managed to all stave off the infestation for as long as they did on a mental level, even while asleep

Orokin genetics did the best they could

[normal mountain]

A little bit after the bio bomb, I think
I remember them talking about stuff happening between them before Son accidentally got them Infested

[restive river]

Bro had 1 job and that was to not open the door

[normal mountain]

I mean, yes
But they all went out all the time afaik
Daughter had that fish collection, and Son liked breeding Infested critters

[stiff fable]

thinking about it, I bet it's because the Grey Strain is naturally opposed to itself

[normal mountain]

Wouldn't be surprised if Father went out now and then to do stuff with Necramechs

[stiff fable]

Vome and Fass fighting constantly is a major WTF as far as infested studies can tell

[sage moat]

i enjoy speculative biology so i have a few possible answers with very little proof behind them aside from "it makes sense"

1. the grey strain is 2 strains, GreyA (vome) and GreyB (fass) hence the infighting, easier to refer to both as "the grey strain" even though as a scientist albrecht would probably prefer "the grey strains"

[stiff fable]

Yeah good theory, but the different infested strains aren't supposed to fight, barring "Helminth" since it was engineered to not respond to the hivemind

[sage moat]

2. vome and fass aren't fighting. when one "dies" it shoots splurge juice and infested residue everywhere, and then regenerates.
   If you were a biomechanical virus bent on corrupting everything, would taking a little pain in order to shoot yourself across a moon really be that big of a deal to you? what if its not fighting, its messed up reproduction?

[stiff fable]

Now that's a winner

[sage moat]

3. am i mistaken in assuming the grey strain was created by the orokin, since they used it as a bioweapon?
   What if they just messed up and turned off the "no infighting" gene

i prefer 2 to 3 because it feels cooler tbh, and the orokin being masters of genetic manipulation probably wouldn't mess up like that unless they meant to

or...

4. they didn't mess up. they did that with the specific goal of making the strain fight itself so it wouldn't spread as far

4 and 2 can actually coexist.
"Silly orokin thought they could make Us spread slower by making Us fight. Watch this"

[stiff fable]

We don't know the provenance of any strain outside of Helminth and Mutalist

[sage moat]

i learned a new word today :D

[stiff fable]

hahaha

We just know that Belric and Rania uncorked the infestation to prevent Sentients from reaching the Heart

It's possible that the Grey Strain is a double mutation, reacting to both Sentient/Eidolon energy and Void energy

[sage moat]

wait actual lore question

are the vessels in the Sanctum Anatomica directly arthur (and possible aoi) or are they clones

cause.
A. there's a lot of em, it seems
B. how did he grab em from earth?

[smoky fog]

Is this a real Orowyrm? Like, not like our Duviri's fellas? Is he was senden to Void or he choose to leave Duviri kingdom?

Or what...

[sage moat]

i mean either way at some point the vessels had to have been on earth, right?

[stiff fable]

the one in the landing room is Arthur

[normal mountain]

Iirc they were created using the Helminthed cells of each of the Hex members
So clones might be closer to accurate
Idk

[stiff fable]

The rest of the Hex are actually in the regular tiles

As far as we can tell the Vessels are closest to Warframes made with a hybrid Helminth and Grey Strain infested strain

Or maybe just Grey Strain with donor cells from the Hex

[sage moat]

i love this easter egg. so i dont think its ever stated who/what this orowyrm is but i like to imagine little shards of duviri constantly float around the void since the drifter seemed to have such a major impact on the void

[stiff fable]

you also see the Orowyrm during railjack missions

[smoky fog]

Only on loading screen, i'm right?

[sage moat]

you could even say that this orowyrm is one of the orowyrms we fight at the end of the spirals and it briefly travels through the void on its way from wherever you enter the portal to thrax's arena throne thing

[stiff fable]

yep!

[sage moat]

but given duviri is already in the void im not too keen on that theory

we'd have to accept that duviri is a "realm" in and of itself that is connected but not within the void, the same way the "real" world is. and
That's really cool, but i don't think its true

[normal mountain]

Maybe they just leave Duviri and traverse the Void?

[stiff fable]

Duviri is in what's called the Deep Void

AKA the part of the Void that doesn't touch on physical reality at all

[sage moat]

possibly! but we don't see orowyrms just chilling in duviri so unless wyrmlings enter the void to grow up i don't think it makes too much sense.

[stiff fable]

this is again a paradox because there's no such thing as distance in the Void

[sage moat]

now that being said, wyrmlings entering the void to grow up (either as a natural part of their "biology" or as a way to superspeed their development via eternalism somehow) is cool

[smoky fog]

I've been imagining, like, since this wyrm has Orokin color's, so he could be coonected to their emotional type? Like being selfish, greedy or something like this. Or what if it's a some REAL Duviri King that was doomed to Void by Dominus Trax or something like that?

Some shizophrenia at night, hell yeah

[restive river]

Thrax is the king in the book
There is no other king

[smoky fog]

oh, i forgot

[restive river]

Lodun wants to be king but that’s about it

[glacial bough]

iirc, Drifter was technically king before Thrax ascended

[smoky fog]

What if Drifter can become Orowyrm too.. and this Wyrm it's some of his version

[glacial bough]

Drifter would've been one for a long time then

[stiff fable]

During the quest the Drifter's emotions are "stored" with the Orowyrms

[restive river]

Thrax was always king, Drifter was just their bestie

[sage moat]

i wanna learn more about thrax he's a very interesting guy

[stiff fable]

Thrax is the king in the storybook, Drifter is the "king" in the actual Duviri

[restive river]

Also like
I think only the courtiers can become orowyrms since they’re conceptually embodied people, unlike the Drifter who is just a human

[restive river]

King in the sense that they made Duviri

[stiff fable]

Up until they sit on the throne and reset Duviri themselves

That's what the bit with the doll is

[restive river]

Thrax was the one to actually rule it seems, being best friends with Drifter until they drifted

[stiff fable]

Drifter cedes kingship to Thrax in exchange for Teshin's life

[restive river]

At the end yes

[stiff fable]

"You can have it"

[smoky fog]

Can Trax become Orowyrm then?

[stiff fable]

No, because that's not his role in the story

[restive river]

^

In theory, maybe?
In practice, no

[sage moat]

idea for DE to make money: make a real duviri storybook and make purchasing it online come with something in game, like a limited time duviri-themed cosmetic. or better yet! drifter cosmetic

[smoky fog]

I wish we could know him better

[restive river]

I only say maybe cause he is a conceptually embodied entity

[sage moat]

we will! he's the vendor for Operation: Eight Claw

[restive river]

Play during Isleweaver

[smoky fog]

Or even to see his face

[sage moat]

that is his face

[restive river]

It’s a mask

[sage moat]

that's a mask?

[restive river]

Yes

[glacial bough]

That's dependent on the context around his coronation

[sage moat]

i thought everyone in duviri just looked like that

[smoky fog]

I'm pretty sure he gonna be just stand in Cave and just saying some words, knowing DE

[restive river]

So like every other character ever?

The thing about Thrax and Drifter is they used to be friends but Drifter grew up and wanted to leave, Thrax didn’t like that and so they punished the Drifter

[smoky fog]

and now look at his hand it have a human skin

[restive river]

No those are masks

[restive river]

He ain’t human tho
That’s just his design in the book

We do see his face in concept art actually

But like
Whether or not we will see it in-game is unknown

[smoky fog]

but on the bottom of his legs human skin too

[smoky fog]

W H E R E

[restive river]

I do wish we could read the actual Duviri book cause it could give insight as to why he has a human hand and face

[restive river]

Art book

[stiff fable]

It is a mask but there's nothing under it

[smoky fog]

Or DE could make animated Movie about kingdom of Duviri :D

[restive river]

I coulda sworn there was?

[sage moat]

i like duviri as a piece of worldbuilding so much. because its almost a really good children's story! Don't let your emotions get out of hand, but don't go numb either"
But it has this underpinning that the emotions naturally lead to bad things which makes sense given it was written to tell kids not to show emotion in the void lest the void use it to do evil demon stuff

[stiff fable]

Nah, all the Duviri citizens are dolls

[restive river]

I’d prefer the book.

[stiff fable]

Made to look like stage performers

[sage moat]

see that's a TON of work and it wouldn't make a ton of profit, i feel

[stiff fable]

It actually IS an edutainment game

[sage moat]

true!

[stiff fable]

The owl puzzles are the real "point" of Duviri

[restive river]

Thing is
Duviri went through so many concepts that it’s actually wild lol

[sage moat]

this is my read at least, its definitely able to read it without those underpinnings

[stiff fable]

If you visit the archarbor you see what each specific puzzle type "means"

[smoky fog]

But it's still feels kinda empty and unfinished

[restive river]

Weird jupiter city
Zariman terraformimg towers
Mentions of long gone gods
And now it’s a conceptually embodied storybook

[restive river]

Hard disagree lmao

[sage moat]

empty and unfinished? friend have you played the OTHER open worlds?

[restive river]

Duviri is practically it’s own game within a game lol

[smoky fog]

I wanna see Trax's concept so bad now AaAaAaHhhHhHhHh

[restive river]

Go look it up

[smoky fog]

true

[stiff fable]

That's because it's a single game mode within Warframe

It feels like the other open worlds

[restive river]

Yeah if I look at just disruption it’d feel kinda empty and unfinished too :p

[sage moat]

the other open worlds are way worse than duviri

[restive river]

While also doing it’s own unique thing

[stiff fable]

Oh I'll be damned

[restive river]

The open worlds got better with time
The tierlist goes in reverse of their release date

[sage moat]

i want more but i want a rework first

[restive river]

It’s important to know this is just concept art so it’s hard to know if this ever will be canon to any degree

[smoky fog]

thanks a lot!

[stiff fable]

Wonder if that's what Thrax was supposed to look like when he was a Corpus billionaire

[blissful merlin]

Absolutely. Still cool to conceptualize hehehehe

[restive river]

Probably tbh

[restive river]

I’m going to conceptually embody this version of him next to the current version

[sage moat]

i think adding decrees to the other open worlds wouldn't be a bad idea, even if it risks duviri's identity. they could be stylized differently, make Duviri Decrees different from Plains Decrees, which are different from Vallis Decrees. koumei could be special in that she draws from all of these pools rather than just one that you get from each open world

i feel like you should be able to spend an hour in the open worlds having fun.
You can do that in duviri
I don't think the average person can in the cambion drift or plains of eidolon

[stiff fable]

Ehhh

[smoky fog]

But why u need a decrees in open world if there's... nothing to do?

[restive river]

Decrees work in Duviri because of it’s closed gameplay loop it can have

[stiff fable]

The most lethal open world is Deimos because the infested there don't play by regular infested rules

[restive river]

Like I can just wander about Duviri doing all kindsa stuff stacking up decrees and ignoring the “bounty”
But for other open worlds you’re either there for the bounty specifically or for mining, fishing, conservation

[stiff fable]

Yeah exactly

[sage moat]

good point!

which is why we ALSO need the open worlds to gain Stuff To Do. i can think of a million mini-tasks for each open world ala feeding the maw or playing the shawzin or defeating one regimen of dax in duviri

[stiff fable]

Duviri's "bounty" is assigned when you enter Duviri, and you effectively do all of those things Ducky listed when you run Duviri

But Duviri also has a specific END POINT that you work toward

[smoky fog]

Btw, can Sentient's from Tau system suddenly find Duviri in the void?

[stiff fable]

No

The only thing that can reach Duviri easily is the Corpus Jackal

Which still needs to be corrupted by an Orokin Tower first and only reaches the Undercroft

[sage moat]

BUUT also the other open worlds are less focused and you don't have any reason to do those tasks unless you're. well. doing those tasks. so maybe make bounties harder? but even then duviri works because it forcibly weakens you by making you the drifter

[smoky fog]

does that means traveling to the void is only possible through the Orokin towers?

[stiff fable]

Duviri works because it has a progression system

[sage moat]

there's a few ways to enter the void

[stiff fable]

No, it means that nothing can get there directly

[smoky fog]

huh..

[sage moat]

especially since the orokin have effectively ripped a bunch of holes in the origin system

[stiff fable]

Sentients die almost immediately when they take a void bath

The few survivors die a little bit later, like with radiation poisoning

[sage moat]

i thought they just went infertile

did hunhow make a full round trip just. waiting on praghasa? I thought the sentients went to tau the long way then void jumped back to the origin system and their newly-found infertility made them even angrier at the orokin

[glacial bough]

No, the Sentients were shielded by Praghasa

It's why she's pretty much braindead

[sage moat]

then was the brief void they got that snuck through praghasa's shield what made them infertile

what made them infertile

[stiff fable]

It was that

Indirect exposure to the void destroyed their reproductive ability

Direct exposure has them melting into slag within minutes

[sage moat]

see that tech would give me ideas if i were the orokin

trojan horsing sentient tech to your enemies and then letting them melt when they attempt a void jump

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nwgwfc83N84

new warframe coming for tennocon and reb says the story will be taking a darker tone for "quite a while"

this might've been posted a bit ago i only just now saw it

[glacial bough]

That's not really how it work, unless you're just straight up giving them whole drones

[sage moat]

i mean. do we know that's not how it works?

i guess the only way to see would be to dip a corpus amalgam in the void and see what parts melt

[glacial bough]

Pretty much, At that point of integretation it's not "Sentient" enough

Amalgams specifically are meant as a way around the weakness

[sage moat]

oh this is only tangentially related but i really hope we see nef anyo during the big void war closer quest in like 5 years when this arc is done

void cultist meets the void and it smiles at him and he's like "no i meant a different void actually"

[sage moat]

reb entertains the idea of duviri "getting out" and an island appearing in the plains of eidolon. this is cool because it proves that is nowhere in the plans otherwise she wouldn't have said it

[smoky fog]

I wish we could have some Duviri mask's from Dominus in new operation

I would like to take Lodun's mask.The Tale's of Duviri need's it's own merch!! VOID MERCH!! >:D

[sage moat]

duviri masks for drifter would be cool cosmetics actually

[restive river]

We have the one they wore

[sage moat]

oh i haven't seen that, i might grab that

[timber dragon]

i agree

[regal torrent]

at the end of the Hex finale, why exactly did the big rock man get all chill and peace at Loid?

[sage moat]

ok so first

thats not a big rock man, that's arthur. entrati mixed the grey strain (why the infested on deimos are big) with the helminth strain (what warframes are) to make Big Warframes. thats what the hex have. those are the "Vessels" you see around the sanctum anatomica, they are what the hex end up as in the far future

[glacial bough]

It's not exactly Arthur, it's just connected to him

[sage moat]

the implication being that like we transferred to past arthur from his future form, we transferred from the past arthur to the future vessel to give loid a little sign like "we did it"

[sage moat]

i may be wrong on the specifics, but i heard that the vessels were literally what the hex become

[glacial bough]

They aren't

The vessels are created from mixing their DNA samples with the Gray Strain

[sage moat]

oh i see

this implies weirdly that things that share dna are connected and can be used as goalposts for transference, though, doesnt it?

[glacial bough]

Potentially

[sage moat]

well actually i suppose you could say that because we transferred into them in the past they have our "void signature" in their bodies, including their dna, so when albrecht put their dna into the vessels, they also had that void signature

which is one of my favorite tropes: a bootstrap paradox!

[feral cape]

Its because there void attuned

Or because of the infestations hivemind take your pick

[sage moat]

we go to 1999 via the vessels that allow us to go to 1999 because we went into their prior forms when we were in 1999

oh infested hivemind does make sense

[glacial bough]

Not really much to make a bootstrap

[feral cape]

We have 1 bootstrap paradox

Drifter helped the operator to escape there timeloop so the tenno helped drifter escape duviri so drifter could help the tenno escape there timeloop

[swift steppe]

because thats his husband (i dont know im just joking)

[restive river]

Where did you hear that lmao

[restive river]

No, that’s Albrecht

[swift steppe]

ah sorry

slayyyyy

[restive river]

We support gay rights and gay wrongs (Albrecht has done many horrible things)

[hexed oxide]

enough about his rights, let's talk about his wrongs (like 3 rights and god knows how many wrongs)

[modern steppe]

It’s likely far easier to list the things he hasn’t done wrong tbh

[sage moat]

heard it here but i could've just misinterpreted it

next time captain is here make sure to kill them for spreading misinformation

[normal mountain]

Hmmm
how about we just 🤡 instead?

[sage moat]

no i think that's too mean, murder is more justified

[normal mountain]

If you say so

[feral cape]

To be fair all his wrongs do make a right

[stiff fable]

That's on you misinterpreting

[sage moat]

i do have a lore question

kavats eat infested, yeah?

how strong is the bite force and digestive track of a kavat

it can tear through metallized flesh --- "Swordsteel", as ballas calls it --- and just eat it no prob as its main diet

[stiff fable]

swordsteel is what Warframes are made out of, not necessarily all infested forms

The really impressive part is the technocyte immunity

[humble sierra]

What's the disease they get on the plains?

Is it not related to the infestation?

[stiff fable]

Vasca infection

Quite different

Makes them into obligatory hemovores

[lilac aspen]

Vampire Cats

[sage moat]

i wonder if the kavats on the plains of eidolon didn't originate there as they ate the infested mass below the plains (if im remembering that lore correctly)

[swift steppe]

wtf is hemovore bro

wtf is that word and what does it mean

[sage moat]

cause like. drop them in the orb vallis and they're gonna die immediately

[sage moat]

hemo = blood
vore = eating

[swift steppe]

theyre gonna thrive in deimos tho

[sage moat]

a hemovore is a thing that eats blood

[swift steppe]

also why didnt we get the like

uh idk whats it called but its like a kavat kubrow mix its super skinny and shi

wait

[sage moat]

i dont think thats real

[swift steppe]

yes it is trust me

VIRMINK

why didnt we geet virmink companions

its so cute i want one

[sage moat]

oh those aren't kavat kubrow hybrids i dont think

those are just standalone weirdos

i think they're inspired by borzois

[swift steppe]

oh okay i still want one

[sage moat]

https://tenor.com/view/borzoi-snoopa-lord-foog-dog-funny-gif-20125052

[swift steppe]

its so so cute i love it so much

LMAO

[sage moat]

i also would like a borzoi

[swift steppe]

yes

[sage moat]

im doing some creative writing exercises and i wanted your take on the premise

[swift steppe]

"your" who? everyone here or someone specifically

[sage moat]

everyone

[swift steppe]

okay i see

[sage moat]

you guys know a lot of lore, collectively, so i was wondering if i missed something with umbra

do you think it'd ever be possible to have a node somewhere that you go to and relive some memories of a warframe?
Just combat memories, really, as ballas monologues in the background. talking to a warframe in four stages

1. while they're bedridden and becoming a frame
2. when they've completely transformed
3. after they go insane
4. condemning them to death by jade light

my idea was that it'd be a really cool (if expensive) update if we got to soothe the warframes in game by comforting them in their memories, rather than it just being implied that we sooth them by transferring

[swift steppe]

arent we doing that w umbra tho

wait no idk what im saying

[tall echo]

That stuff was unique to umbra, other hosts were transformed in (probably) labs specifically made for it

Also no frame except umbra has memories

[sage moat]

but they have personalities?

personality doesn't seem seperable from memory

[tall echo]

Yet it is

Frames only keep memories if they're transformed as punishment, and even then they can still lose them

[hexed oxide]

drifter does mention that frames keep their personality. but that's it, the most basic bits and pieces of their memories

[sage moat]

alright, thank yall

i can still justify this its far from an unsolvable situation

i mean would it be as simple as saying "Well they lost their memories because they're traumatized beyond belief. Operator helps with that"

[tall echo]

"We eviscerated their minds"

[sage moat]

yeah that's the same line where ballas talks about how much trauma he gave them

id consider that level of trauma to be eviscerating the mind too

[sly ibex]

The originals likely did, which is why the Orokin initially thought they were completely fine to use. Until the Infested madness took them, of course. Then the Tenno were needed to soothe them.

[thorn meadow]

Kullervo has memories

Doesn't valkyr too?

Dagath might, unsure

[swift steppe]

why would dagath have memories when she doesnt even have a face

[thorn meadow]

Dagath lore

[swift steppe]

good reason

[thorn meadow]

If I say the reason I might get removed, even if it's DE's lore

[swift steppe]

i want to know

[thorn meadow]

Google

[swift steppe]

fortunately dm exist

dm me it LMAO

[swift steppe]

is there an answer for that

is there lore around this

[hidden cove]

This is about thermia fractures btw, regarding the Corpus trying to stop us from sealing them

And why Thermic Raknoids not only exist but crawl out of the fractures

[swift steppe]

yes

thats the context of the question lol

[humble sierra]

https://tenor.com/view/growth-profit-grofit-corpus-ambulas-gif-15630541

[stray herald]

for profit

[humble sierra]

They probably view it as more profitable to mess up the planet's surface somehow

[stray herald]

but how tho?

wouldn't they lose more value when a currency made by another civilisation just ceases to have value when the home is destroyed

tbh, not knowing the lore behind thermia fractures I always thought the corpus just wanted to have access to thermia unimpeded

[swift steppe]

wait whats the lore behind thermia fractures why do they exist

[tall echo]

Talk to eudico while there's a fracture event going on

[swift steppe]

okay ill prolly never do that because ill forget

its okay tho

[stray herald]

smth about pumping too much coolant

[swift steppe]

oh

[stiff fable]

It's actually much easier than all this. The Solaris are debt bonded until the terraforming of the Orb Vallis is complete. If the Corpus ever fix the Orokin terraformers, they lose the Solaris as slaves.

[sage moat]

oh i didn't know there was a tenure

my assumption was that it was a workers colony and if they ever completed terraforming venus they'd just move the workers somewhere else since they still owed money

[stiff fable]

Won't be instantly but not having to pay for heating, being able to live on the surface, etc means the Solaris can start paying off the debts

It's more like a big company town

[sage moat]

oh i see what you mean

company town is better, sorry its real late over here

[stiff fable]

Yeah I should have led with that

[sage moat]

is the orb vallis the only currently terraformed part of venus?

[stiff fable]

Probably not, but it's the only spot with an exposed colony, that the Corpus don't have total dominance over

[sage moat]

i see, thank you

[swift steppe]

ahok thats boring

[sage moat]

capitalists actively making the world worse and doubling down on their mistakes in order to make a profit?

does the news know about this? i mean color me shocked.

[swift steppe]

guys

why is venus being terraformed but jupiter isnt

wait isnt venus a gas planet too

[sage moat]

nope venus is rocky

[swift steppe]

ahok

[sage moat]

venus is often called earth's "sister" because its a similar size

[swift steppe]

ah yeah i forgot about that

[sage moat]

and iirc its right next to us! mercury, venus, earth, mars, i believe is the order

[swift steppe]

i think so too but still

pretty boring planet imo

i like saturn more because she has rings

well it has rings and its cool and shit

[sage moat]

im a mercury fan

[swift steppe]

why

that pluto fan is gon be real mad

[sage moat]

really small, really hot, and really fast

closest to the sun, named after my favorite roman god

[swift steppe]

ahhh ok i see

[brittle siren]

I'm the Gravastars fan

[stiff fable]

https://tenor.com/view/ami-mizuno-sailor-mercury-computer-anime-girl-anime-gif-8530479071434976476

pic related

[tall echo]

Where are you getting that from

[stiff fable]

old lore stuff about how the Solaris got trapped in debt in the first place

[tall echo]

The solaris are general debt slaves, completing work on venus won't suddenly relieve them of their debt. You can even find some working in ice mines in rj missions

[stiff fable]

Solaris are debt-slaves on Venus because that's where the Corpus found them

They'd been maintaining the Orokin terraforming equipment in a low-power state until the Corpus barged in and reactivated it

They stuck the Solaris in debt-slavery, then tried replacing them on the machines with robots and nearly blew up the surface of the planet trying to extract.... I honetly forget if it was thermia or coolant

either way they put the Solaris back to work on the machines but aren't letting the terraforming progress, which would massively improve the lives of the Solaris and let them start getting ahead of the payments

[brittle siren]

Btw it interesting that Rus is no longer exist in 1999

[strange plinth]

got yoinked
oh that one lol

[stiff fable]

Isn't it more that Rus was the Soviet Union?

It probably reverted to an older name

"Kyiv" would be hilarious and historical

(Russia originally comes from the Kyivan Rus, which was conquered by the Mongols, and later was claimed by the Duchy of Moscow)

So modern "Rus" is probably Muscovy/Moscovia

[hidden cove]

Jupiter, Saturn, and Neptune are all still gas giants. The missions 'on' them actually take place on moons, asteroids, and/or space stations around the planets. You can see each planet in the skybox
Venus is a solid planet

It took me the longest time to realise Neptune was in fact not turned into a gigantic ocean lmao

[tall echo]

So do they just lose the debt when they're shipped off to the ice mines (which do not exist in venus proxima missions btw)

And then there's my name, which gets censored by the filter on in-game usernames

[stiff fable]

wait are you serious

hahahaha, I didn't realize it was a banned term here

[hidden cove]

Yeah lmao

[stiff fable]

since you know, Rusalka loves the term

[hidden cove]

I tried talking about how it's one of my favourite weapons in the game last year some time

If you ask me the profanity filter in this server could be reduced just a smidgen.

Considering how much the 1999ers swear lmao

[tall echo]

In-game too why is crap a filtered word ;-;

-# I don't even need autocorrect, I make the same errors organically somehow...

[swift sentinel]

Most likely the missions take place on Triton then, since it's 30-45% water ice by mass.

Ignoring of course the rule-of-cool Neptune-water connection.

[hollow siren]

or the Orokin just terraformed it

Venus is frozen over too

and that's even more extreme than Neptune being so

[graceful swan]

Some of Venus is

Not all of it

[swift steppe]

omg

[misty helm]

By gigantic ocean you mean Uranus?

Oh, boi, that didn't sounded very good

[sage moat]

wait neptune wasn't turned into a giant ocean

whats the neptune lore

[hollow siren]

Likely it was terraformed like Venus was

[sly ibex]

I thought Jupiter missions take place on flying structures built in Jupiter's atmosphere.

[hollow siren]

they do, yeah

since Jupiter has a relatively small solid core

much smaller than Neptune and Uranus' non-gaseous cores in relation to the full volume of the planet

and tbf, Warframe's planets are not always 1:1 with the actual solar system

[strange turtle]

Why didn’t it reply?

[strange turtle]

One of the missions take place on Triton, the rest take place on other moons and other celestial bodies, except for the infested ship nodes, and The Index

I say celestial bodies because I couldn’t be bothered checking how many there where and what each was

[strange turtle]

Neptune lore is just that the Corpus do a bunch of automated manufacturing for their robots there

The Corpus have perfected automated manufacturing and continue to demonstrate maximum efficiency producing the robotic proxies they build to serve them. Immaculate production lines and flawless technical engineering ensure that the production of robotics and intelligent, synthetic machines continues in perpetuity.

The planet boss also ties into this

Recent innovations in Corpus robotics have led to a surge in production. Their newest animal-like proxy is an unrelenting hunter. Codenamed 'Hyena', this robot is designed to work in packs.

Let me tell you Tenno, it's a good thing I was able to shutdown the new Hyena models. This year's version is really nasty business; faster, meaner, deadlier than before. An excellent product really
(Last bit is from an old event, not really relevant to anything)

[frosty latch]

Is there a lore reason for gara to be the only Warframe with a full set of signature weapons?

[silk atlas]

no

[frosty latch]

Is there a reason for that at all?

[proper barn]

Jade also is.

[swift steppe]

yeah but theres an explanation for jade tho

[sage moat]

technically stalker is!

[swift steppe]

yes

thats the explanation to why jade has 3 weapons

because stalker has 3

[sage moat]

i hate that new frames come with a bunch of signature weapons cause i feel compelled to use them and that's less slots i can use for cool stuff

[swift steppe]

i wish jade weapons werent absolute ass

[sage moat]

like why is the riot 848 temple's signature weapon, they have no visual similarities at all.

[swift steppe]

on god

riot 848's concept sounds very fun tho

[vivid steppe]

Harmony is one of the best heavy weapons

[sage moat]

one's clear entrati work and one's an infested glamrock guitarist

[swift steppe]

yeah but it doesnt have an incarnon

[vivid steppe]

Doesn’t need incarnon to be good

[swift steppe]

wait actually why tf does harmony has no incarnnon thing when her husband does have one

[swift steppe]

LMAO

[sage moat]

jade incarnons would be neat. just keep in mind the weapons aren't like, awful. so the incarnons shouldn't be as big of a power gap as say, dual tox inc

[swift steppe]

yeah ik but like

idk

is there a lore reason why we cant use resourceful retriever on sentinels

LMAOOOOOOOOOOO

[sage moat]

resourceful retriever is your dog being smart and finding more stuff

sentinels aren't smart

god we need more sentinel lore yesterday we know literally like 2 things about them

1. they're not sentients
2. they're kinda like sentients

[swift steppe]

wtf does that even mean

that doesnt mean shit thats basically saying theyre uh nothing

[graceful swan]

Because Sentinels aren’t golden or a retriever

And Samodeus hates you

[sage moat]

correct! we do not know what sentinels are

[swift steppe]

why does samodeus hates me and why cant i make my sentinel less dumb by putting a mod for doubling resources

[sage moat]

maybe in 9 years when we finally get aliens it'll be explained/j

[swift steppe]

also when will they do a moa update

i really want a moa its so cute but why are they so dumb like that

[sage moat]

when people start using MOAS

[swift steppe]

their AI is absolute shit apparently

[graceful swan]

“You are either extremely lucky or a thieving wench. You probably don't even appreciate what you have now. My life. My soul. My art. You will need to prove yourself before I reveal the beauty within this work”

[swift steppe]

basically they buffed beasts and now moas and sentinels are in the trash?

[sage moat]

if everyone ignores it the problem basically doesn't exist

[swift steppe]

wait wait go back tho

who is samodeus

[swift steppe]

LMAO

[graceful swan]

The guy who made mods

[swift steppe]

oh okay thanks

[graceful swan]

He’s the Cephalon you see in the Riven menu

[swift steppe]

yeah yeah blablabla give me resourceful retriever for sentinels pretty please

[sage moat]

i didnt know mods had an in universe explanation

[swift steppe]

same

i thought samodeus was just the riven dude

not the mod dude

also why cant hounds use resourceful retriever

theyre beasts but robotic beasts theres no reason for them not to use those

[sage moat]

gameplay reasons, i feel

[graceful swan]

It’s implied he made all mods but Rivens are his best mods canonically

[swift steppe]

oh okay

[sage moat]

LOL maybe on the plat market don't hype those things up too bad

[swift steppe]

lmao

[sage moat]

are hounds made of meat

[frosty latch]

What an absolute mad take

[sage moat]

sisters refer to them as "metallized flesh"

[swift steppe]

thats not how i really feel lol

[sage moat]

were hounds like, kubrows that got cyborgified? how do we build them if so

[swift steppe]

i say that because i HATE jade grind like why is the mission so goddamn horrible

[sage moat]

are they infested? cultivated tissue to make biocomputers?

[swift steppe]

idk but theyre called hounds and they look like dogs why cant they use resourceful retriever

thats just dumb..?

[graceful swan]

They’re Corpus robots in dog design robots are like 80% of the Corpus workforce

[swift steppe]

and moa companions being really dumb is beyond me because moa enemies arent that dumb

[frosty latch]

Elevator go up...

[sage moat]

but its "metallized flesh"

what does that MEAN

[frosty latch]

Peak Warframe

[sage moat]

the sisters say its just like us but clearly they're not warframe dogs (as goddamn COOL as that would be)

[swift steppe]

real

i rlly wish moas were cool and not dumb

theyre so cutee

[graceful swan]

They’re controlled by dumb humans

[swift steppe]

is that real or are you joking

[sage moat]

i thought corpus drones just had rudimentary non-sentient ai

[graceful swan]

No, that’s literally what Moas are don’t you remember Veso had a controller tablet in New War

[sage moat]

see what i figured was that that issues commands

that doesn't control the moa entirely. so veso issued the "go here" command and then the "go here" ai protocol activated

[swift steppe]

look its so cute

[sage moat]

whereas our moas have a slightly more complex "follow and fight" command that activates a "follow and fight" ai protocol

[swift steppe]

i actually forgot that lol

[graceful swan]

What Corpus lack in numbers they make up for in robotics

[sage moat]

there's not someone playing a moa with a controller in some fortuna base

[glacial bough]

Corpus proxies generally run on an interconnected AI network for the majority of functions

You can also take direct command of units like Veso does

[swift steppe]

i made a moa

im happy

[sage moat]

i also made a moa for my nekros build

[swift steppe]

what purpose does it serve

what emotion modules costs platinum

ew

[silk atlas]

Why would there be any in-game explanation for this? DE just decided not to give them full sig sets.

[swift steppe]

what does emotion modules even do

[sage moat]

they're just cosmetic

[swift steppe]

ahok

[sage moat]

basically animation sets for your moa the same way you have them for warframes

[sage moat]

no clue yet just built it cause my nekros is orb vallis themed

[swift steppe]

how do you even mod a moa wtf

[swift steppe]

oh i see thats a good reasson actually

wait i can give him verglas prime

oh my god wait hes gonna be so goated

[sage moat]

everyone knows lore discussion is just general for people who have brains

[swift steppe]

lmaooo

[graceful swan]

Lore discussion is for people who play Loreframe more than Warframe

[sage moat]

so what are your predictions for the name "isleweaver"

[swift steppe]

i actually have no idea how i should mod my moa and if i should put a potato on it since everybody says its the worst companion EVER

[sage moat]

we got 11 days left, we can still speculate

[swift steppe]

oh my god wait

i wonder how beasts and sentinels are going to act with oraxia's 4

well companions in general actually

[sage moat]

i heard someone saying they think oraxia will use her threads to pull the lost islands together somehow?
I dont agree, but its a good explanation for why its called Isleweaver. i can't help but think its more than just a cool sounding name

[graceful swan]

Weaving island that Wally scared Thrax into removing back

[swift steppe]

thats scary

[graceful swan]

Literally how most Islands became lost

[sage moat]

if i was thrax i'd do the same

[graceful swan]

Albrecht taught Thrax about Wally

[sage moat]

its weird that duviri kinda existed before drifter got there when drifter created it but hey, void timey wimey wibbly wobbly

[graceful swan]

It didn’t exist before Drifter created it outside of being a book

Drifters emotions made it real

Drifter even grew up in Duviri and didn’t start getting looped until they wanted to leave

[sage moat]

well

albrecht also was there, and seems to have been there before drifter

drifter never says "oh i met albrecht once, in duviri" even though that seems highly likely if the scholar was talking to thrax and drifter was thrax's bestie

[silk atlas]

Nothing says he was there before Drifter, just before Teshin

[graceful swan]

That’s because by the time Albrecht got there Drifter was dying due to a child king

[sage moat]

the timeline for that to make sense would have to be that both teshin and albrecht arrived while duviri was looping so the drifter never got to meet them

which is... completely possible

yeah that's entirely likely that solves the conundrum

[graceful swan]

You can live in a town your entire life and still not meet everyone

[silk atlas]

And Albrecht made himself scarce anyway some time during that

[graceful swan]

Albrecht was busy being a teacher

[sage moat]

yeah pretty sure if someone crash landed in the archipelago you co-ruled and started scaring the king talking about a demon in the walls dividing your world from the next you'd see them at SOME point

unless albrecht was there for like 3 spirals

[silk atlas]

No clue how the islands staying or being destroyed would play into the loops, because Albrecht's lab in Duviri was just gone

[sage moat]

and then dipped immediately

so i have a theory that idk if i believe but is possible i think

in that "duviri" is not so much within the void as it is a third realm connected to the void

[graceful swan]

It’s in a Void pocket

[sage moat]

think of it like duviri is its own "universe" on the "other side" of the void from our own. the barrier between duviri and the void is weaker than the one between the void and our world, thus the void's timey wimey nonsense doesn't 100% apply to duviri, and when the void takes something its gone

[graceful swan]

Duviri is very much in the Void as it was made by the Void and the Undercroft is deep Void

[sage moat]

if this is explicitly stated by albrecht, loid, or fibbonacci, the theory is disproved

if its said by anyone else the theory is still pretty much disproved but you can cope about it still

[graceful swan]

The Void can create dimensions inside of itself

Duviri and Granum Void are 2 examples of this

[sage moat]

oh granum void yeah

yeah that pseudo-proves the theory, even

[silk atlas]

A couple fragments mention the fact the Void itself as swallowing several islands.

[swift steppe]

do yall vibe with kahl

[silk atlas]

Yawn
Cool character but his gamemode is quite possibly the worst addition in all of WF.

[sage moat]

so is duviri a dimension within the void or is it just a bunch of islands in the void

[sage moat]

hard disagree

[graceful swan]

It’s an island inside of the Void

Think of the Void like a very big ocean

It can create islands

[swift steppe]

why

L take kahl is awesome and his missions are very cool

all he wants to do is to save his brothers

valid

[silk atlas]

He moves so slow and it's just a chore to do all the stuff to get Stock

[swift steppe]

ehhhh idk i think its fine

[restive river]

Slower gameplay is fine it’s just not distinctively Warframe

[proper barn]

he actaully does move faster now.

[restive river]

It’s understandable for people not to like it or Drifter gameplay cause it can be slower
Drifter gameplay is faster tho and mixes in normal, faster gameplay so it works a bit better for what players may be accustomed to

[silk atlas]

Drifter is okay-ish, but Kahl's enemies just feel way too tanky and having to explore around to find pick ups like the floofs made me want to rip my hair out.

[restive river]

It was fun for a while at the start but I’ll just say there’s a reason they removed the archon shard from his shop lol

[swift steppe]

😦

[silk atlas]

Yeah exactly

[swift steppe]

they could do like bird3 and put it on a weekly thing bruh

BORING

[restive river]

It was that

They moved it to bird 3

[swift steppe]

why did they removed it then

i dont understand like whats wrong with doing kahl mission for archon shards

[restive river]

Cause people weren’t playing it?

[restive river]

S l o w

[swift steppe]

wait so youre saying people hate kahl so bad they wouldnt even do a mission to grab that archon shard? thats cringe

[restive river]

Again, it was fun at the start but it got tedious and samey FAST

[swift steppe]

i actually rlly enjoy kahl missions when i remember he exists

[swift steppe]

i guess

[restive river]

People don’t hate him

[swift steppe]

thats why i forget him and then i remember him randomly

[restive river]

It’s just there isn’t enough variety

[silk atlas]

People hate (or at least don't play) his gamemode

[restive river]

It’s just run the near exact same 3 missions every 3 weeks
That’s boring
It should be expanded on tbh

[smoky fog]

TRUE

[swift steppe]

kahl i love you so much

kahl my beloved

[swift steppe]

true but archon mods sells for good plat lol

[smoky fog]

I'm still feeling sad for Kahl when Daughter figured out that Kahl loves her

[swift steppe]

wait what

where does it say that

[restive river]

There are probably better plat farms ngl

[swift steppe]

and who wouldnt love daughter shes so cool

[smoky fog]

Do even listened their dialogue?

[smoky fog]

at camp

[swift steppe]

not really im focused on not dying...

[restive river]

That’s a fan theory, their relationship isn’t romantic.

[smoky fog]

but it's actually ingame

[restive river]

No?

[swift steppe]

can you tell us where does it says that explicitly

[restive river]

I mean it’s been a bit but they aren’t in a relationship

[smoky fog]

Then why he react to her saying "Kahl is not a clown. find other Kahl then"

[restive river]

Ik people want them to be but

[smoky fog]

yes, they are

[swift steppe]

all he says is that he likes "little flying guy" aka ordis

[restive river]

No, they aren’t

[smoky fog]

Dude, i mean they're not

[restive river]

What?

They are not in a relationship

[smoky fog]

I was saying my "Yes, they are" to agree that they not in relationships man

[swift steppe]

ah

still doesnt tell us where they explicitly says that kahl loves daughter

[smoky fog]

here

come here

[swift steppe]

where

[smoky fog]

Look around man

behid Kahl

[swift steppe]

thats all his replies (theres more)

WHERE does it say that he loves her

literally nowhere

[smoky fog]

But there was a line where she laugh's at him

I mean

it's kinda obvious

[swift steppe]

@restive river do you see where kahl says he loves daughter

cuz i cant

[smoky fog]

Then why she laugh at him then

[swift steppe]

because he talks funny

and hes different than other grineer

[proper barn]

okay

it's if you click his desk thing. there's converstaions there. @swift steppe

[swift steppe]

i do

thats what im doing im spamming it

onyl mention of love

with this line too

[proper barn]

no

you are talking to him

[swift steppe]

no theyre talking to each other

im just not screenshotting daughters lines

[sage moat]

im going through all the dialogue now and i don't see it either

[proper barn]

she talks about

her family.

there are like 5-6 converstaions you can have.

[swift steppe]

he says he wants to help her but that doesnt mean he loves her

she helps him why wouldnt he help her too?

thats where she laughs at him

literally didnt say he loves her

[sage moat]

you know what kahl DOES canonically love

[restive river]

HIS BROTHERS

[smoky fog]

https://tenor.com/view/saitama-gif-26349513

[sage moat]

bugs and fish and pacifism

and his brothers yes that too

[restive river]

But bro isn’t a pacifist 😭

[swift steppe]

nowehre does it say he loves daughter too

thats BS

[restive river]

At most they’re very good friends

[swift steppe]

yes they are

[sage moat]

oh they're extremely good friends i think

[restive river]

Which she started out literally being racist to him lmao

[swift steppe]

they talk about stories there

[restive river]

Their friendship is tragic tbh

[swift steppe]

thats the only part where he ask something to her that talks about her

[restive river]

They can never physically meet and he’ll die long before she does

[sage moat]

guys i just got a really funny line in the camp actually

[swift steppe]

LMAO TRUE

[smoky fog]

I guess it's time to rest from Warframe. gonna play Control

[swift steppe]

what is it

[sage moat]

the corpus guy said something like
"The man whose sacrifice showed us the way. We honor his name.
Veko"

[swift steppe]

thats so sad at least he got his brothers and chipper

[ashen pulsar]

"A VAT RAT?!"

[restive river]

Venmo?

[proper barn]

Kaelli: "Kahl, before you go. I… it has been very interesting for me, seeing how you… what I mean is…." [stammers]

Kahl: "Kahl and brothers not what Orokin lady expected. You respect Kahl and brothers. You look at own family differently. Feel lonely. Kahl have family and you have… Kahl not know."

Kaelli: [sniffs tearfully]

Kahl: "It okay."

Kaelli (haltingly): "I'm fairly sure this level of intuition was not included in your design specs."

Kahl: "Kahl self-made man"

[swift steppe]

veko the corpus dude?

[restive river]

vepo

[proper barn]

hello.

Vesco

[restive river]

vilo?
veno?
vako?

[swift steppe]

but he doesnt say he loves her tho

[ashen pulsar]

velo

[restive river]

volo

[ashen pulsar]

visco

[proper barn]

i mean sure.

[restive river]

one of these is probably correct

I mean subtext can exist it’s just
Their relationship isn’t romantic

[graceful swan]

Veko

[swift steppe]

shes a part of his brothers too i guess

in his eyes

[ashen pulsar]

vejo (but the j is an h sound)

[swift steppe]

OKAY GUYS WTF

[ashen pulsar]

vshojo

[swift steppe]

WHY IS THERE A CETUS DUDE LMAO

[sage moat]

more and more people join the camp as it goes on

[swift steppe]

when does it stop

[sage moat]

youll notice more grineer and corpus joining. this ostron is a former narmer inductee

[swift steppe]

oh okay

[graceful swan]

Because Kahl saved him

[sage moat]

rank 5. there aren't so many its unbearable but the camp does look relatively populated

[smoky fog]

It's the same one from New War?

[swift steppe]

i got everyone i think

[restive river]

Unknown

[sage moat]

that looks abotu full yeah

[restive river]

Are you rank 5

[swift steppe]

and theres ordis a lil bit further

why isnt ordis with them

[swift steppe]

yes i am

[graceful swan]

Because he is the ship

[swift steppe]

what?

[restive river]

ye you good then

[swift steppe]

wtf does that even mean

[sage moat]

wait did nora night do something bad

[graceful swan]

"You are the Tenno. You are the Operator. Ordis is the cephalon. Ordis is the ship."

[swift steppe]

wdym why are you saying that

[swift steppe]

yes but why isnt ordis with the little camp with them

[sage moat]

kaelli said "never meet your heroes, they always disappoint" in a convo about nora night

[swift steppe]

idk i dont think she did anything wrong

she dont do shit actually

[graceful swan]

Because he isn’t a brother of Kahl rescued and Ordis is the Ship Cephalon using a drone

[swift steppe]

yeah i know that im not dumb its just kinda sad that ordis is alone in his spot

[graceful swan]

He’s not alone

He’s literally the ship

Guess who’s on the ship

[sage moat]

look if ordis wants to join the camp im sure he can float 10 feet

i feel like its a choice of his to remain seperate

[swift steppe]

I am NOT saying that he is LITERALLY alone im saying that he has nobody around his tiny drone OH MY GOD its not that hard to understand

[graceful swan]

Operator

[swift steppe]

OH COME ON YOURE DOING IT ON PURPOSE

[sage moat]

can you calm down you've been really aggressive and mean

[swift steppe]

im not mean

but yes im going to calm down

[graceful swan]

Operator can go up to his drone

Hence not alone

[swift steppe]

yeah obviously but that means when were not there his drone is "alone"

[swift steppe]

imagine if he cant lol

[graceful swan]

Yeah, but the drone being alone doesn’t bother Ordis because it’s just a drone not the actual Cephalon

[swift steppe]

i know that tho

i wasnt saying its sad to him i was saying its sad to me but whatever

[north jolt]

He use to make early lunch for Konzu but works for you now

[swift steppe]

noice

[ashen pulsar]

Seems like konzu is always getting early lunch

[north jolt]

Konzu found new personal chef after the first one left

[raw frigate]

Not sure if theres an answer to this but who's grave is this in duviri? It's underground under fort wyrmsoul

[restive river]

Should be Albrecht’s but
What does it say when you interact with it?

Cause iirc all the graves say who’s they are for the ones that are interactable

[raw frigate]

It doesn't have a name just says a loving father, something about hands in the sky

I didn't get a good look before getting teleported into the undercroft

[restive river]

[This grave is located in an ornate tomb deep underground, in a cave near Fort Wyrmsoul.]

The sky could not hold him
In cupped hands we caught him

Death will not hold him
Open-armed lies this grave

This world could not hold him
And so we are without him

Stranger. Father. Scholar.
In our hearts
We hold you

Yeah that’s Albrecht

https://www.orokinarchives.com/duviri-graves/

[strange turtle]

Because he’s not part of the Garrison, he’s just there for Jade stuff

(That and from some of his dialogue he doesn’t seem to like them too much)

[swift steppe]

not cool

[hidden cove]

Yeah youre right I mixed them up

[regal torrent]

What's the lore behind technocyte boybands?

[tall echo]

On-lyne manager wanted clones to make more money off them. That's the coda

[swift steppe]

is that normal?

why is there 2 "plains of eidolon" and why is one of them not scanned

(i scanned all of the fish)

[tall echo]

That just tells you where you find it

[swift steppe]

no..

i scanned all of the thousand year fish

[tall echo]

Yes

[swift steppe]

but it still says i havent scanned that one

i cant scan the plains of eidolon all together and i already scanned the thousand year fish that has that name

why is it still not met then

[tall echo]

[swift steppe]

this game is weird

[tall echo]

It means. You find. The fragment. In the plains.

[swift steppe]

I did find the fragment in the plains

its right there

[tall echo]

[swift steppe]

it does the same thing in the ghoul thingy

[tall echo]

YES.

[swift steppe]

i dont understand i scanned the goddamn thousand year fish

why tf do i need to scan it AGAIN

[plush phoenix]

that's weird, i wonder if it has something to do with pre/post tnw

since the plains changes

[swift steppe]

if it does i might actually crash out

like wtf am i supposed to do if youre right

i cant go back to that time

it pmo a little

[tall echo]

Nothing is lost after tnw

[swift steppe]

also is there an interactive map of memory fragments of the solaris or not

[tall echo]

Probably

[swift steppe]

well i cannot find it then

theres a video on the wiki tho

[tall echo]

"Vallis mem fragment locations"

[swift steppe]

yeah but its not on the wiki

the one for thousand year fish is tho

whatever i dont mind

[tall echo]

Wiki isn't the ultimate source of all info

[swift steppe]

i wish it was

[scenic zinc]

Oh wow so glas this channel exists. I was actively playing till they released the ( I think New War or Old War quest) Then I stopped playing, I heard some lore changes occured, I came back and forgot everything.

[tall echo]

There's no old war quest so

[scenic zinc]

Must have been the war within then. Regardless I played before they released one of those quests. I've done all of them but skipped through cause its all coming like new to me again. I want to read up on the lore, unless someone here could tell me / help me out.

I literally just remember Tenno awaken after sleeping for a very long time, dunno why they awakened.

[restive river]

Lotus woke em up
That would be in the quest called Awakening btw

[scenic zinc]

but why? just randomly... thats odd

[restive river]

Go to the Orokin Archives
But if you have questions feel free to ask

[scenic zinc]

that a discord channel or website?

[restive river]

Cause of the growing imbalance between the Grineer and Corpus

[scenic zinc]

ah

[restive river]

Website but they also have a discord

[scenic zinc]

will go thanks :)\

[restive river]

Goodluck
Again, if you ever have questions you can always ask here :)

[scenic zinc]

why did they sleepy sleep in the first place o-o
(last question i promise lol)

[restive river]

I don’t remember the exact reason but the Tenno went to sleep after they genocided the Orokin

[scenic zinc]

that just leads to more questions 🤣 ill check the discord and the webstite thanks <3

[restive river]

Then take a nap for about a thousand years and oop mom is saying it’s time to go to school
If
School was keeping the balance between the waring factions lol

[scenic zinc]

lool

[strange turtle]

After the bloodshed, Natah was intended to destroy the Tenno and resurrect her Sentient forebears, but she stopped short of completing these final tasks. The ever-treacherous Ballas had reprogrammed her in secret, altering her directives, and instead she sent the Tenno into a long cryosleep, to await a time when they would be needed again. Ballas disappeared into obscurity along with the Tenno, and the beheaded Orokin Empire slowly fell apart.

This is what is says on the archives

[restive river]

Needs to be updated some since our frames weren’t put into cryosleep anymore

[placid thunder]

I just put the arcane codicies into the machine... that was a whole lot of nothing

Although it raises questions about what the Grineer and infestation were doing in those ruins

[sage moat]

can someone give me the rundown on how the infestation woke up. because i played that quest yeeeaaaaars ago

[silk atlas]

wdym woke up

[normal mountain]

Only explanation I remember for why the Infestation is back is the Grineer decided to tinker with it to make a bioweapon
With predictable results

[sage moat]

i thought it was put in some sort of stasis and then we woke it up, goes to show how much i remember

[normal mountain]

I think the Infestation had simply disappeared after the Orokin Empire fell

Why, I have no clue

then there's Eris...

[stiff fable]

We wiped out almost all the infestation in the system during the Old War

[normal mountain]

That would make sense why it disappeared
and why Lotus in the old Once Awake was super confused by the Grineer finding them

[stiff fable]

The spots we missed became the Myconan colony and potentially a few Orokin towers in the Void we couldn't reach

Yeah, freaking Tengus found the Orokin's smallpox phial equivalent

And cracked it open when we went after him

[normal mountain]

I'd personally liken it to bubonic plague for similar notoriety, but that one ain't quite as dead as smallpox

[stiff fable]

Though hmm it's possible there's infested stuff outside the system, the Emissary and the Jordas Golem both have >implications

And yeah good comparison

[normal mountain]

There's also Eris
unless I missed some crucial bit of Lore (which is fairly likely)

[stiff fable]

Eris was infested after Tengus re-unleashed the infestation

[normal mountain]

OH

[stiff fable]

Deimos was infested during the Old War tho

[normal mountain]

Okay, that makes sense
Throws off my whole sense of the quest timeline, but makes sense

I did know about Deimos

[stiff fable]

The quest timeline is shot because the map's been shuffled twice

And a certain amount of time has passed in game because the early events are all canon

[normal mountain]

True
Like, does Patient Zero come after The Second Dream now, or do we travel back in time for that one?

those stupid events that I'll never get to play

[stiff fable]

We have no idea! It goes completely unremarked on

And there's no evidence as to the existence of the Mutalist Empire if you start playing today

[normal mountain]

Which is why I ask whenever I can

The Mutalist Empire was totally a 'what the Vay Hek' moment for me doing that quest
Then I remembered how old it was, and moved on

not how I like to play games, at all

I still insist some of those older, lore-critical events be brought back on a permanent basis

I don't care if DE guts the rewards out of them, I just want the lore

[sage moat]

just an idea: i wonder where the operator and drifter draw the line with "living" things. sure, warframes used to be people and have bits of their personality. most will say they deserve the respect of a living thing.
The animals, of course, as well.
But infested tools? The Coda weapons? Are they deserving of respect as if they were alive?
If yes, what about spectors?
What about ais? is a moa deserving of respect?
This is something i believe is just a question irl about ai but warframe adds so many more interesting shades of grey!

my headcanon is that operator and drifter just love all their weapons. because sure a lex doesn't feel emotion, but an infested lex? a lex with an ai in it? a lex with a cephalon in it? better safe than sorry. love your guns

[normal mountain]

Reminds me of a line Eleanor once gave me when I browsed the Coda weapons: (paraphrasing)
"You can touch the merchandise. Just be aware the merchandise may touch you back."

Was super weird, but in a way that had me laughing

[swift steppe]

all of them should be brought back especially the one with the acolytes because i genuinely have NO idea wtf the lore is behind them

[swift steppe]

same

[sage moat]

acolytes are like borderline mandatory for a lot of end game builds and to most people they are just baby stalkers

[swift steppe]

yes but wtf is the lore behind them

[normal mountain]

'Stalker found people just as twisted as he is'
Is virtually all I've ever found regarding Acolyte lore

[swift steppe]

same

[normal mountain]

And that's Alad V saying that, and we all know how trustworthy he is

[swift steppe]

aint nobody listening to this mofo

[normal mountain]

An amusing idea I had (that's definitely headcanon material) is that Stalker found some First Generation frames that survived being purged by the Orokin, and took them in as disciples

I sincerely doubt that's anywhere near the truth, but at this rate it's all I got

[swift steppe]

brother have you forgotten that the acolytes look just like stalker with diff helmets

[normal mountain]

No, I have not

[swift steppe]

your idea doesnt explain why tf they look like stalker

like lets talk about that for 2 minutes

[normal mountain]

I'm working on that part

[swift steppe]

why tf do they look like stalker

[swift steppe]

oh lol

is there a lore reason around augments tho

[normal mountain]

Also, they look like they all have the same helmet to me ngl

[swift steppe]

lemme grab an image of them rq

[normal mountain]

None that I'm aware of

[sage moat]

i mean

frames can just look similar. that's a possiblility

[swift steppe]

thats the acolytes

thats stalker

literally the same helmet dont lie to me right now

thats what the wiki says

[normal mountain]

Did I not say that I thought they looked like they had the same helmet?

[swift steppe]

i was not talking specifically to you when i said that sorry

[normal mountain]

Ah, okay

No problem lol, that was my bad for not paying attention

[swift steppe]

dont worry it happens

i hope DE makes the event return

[normal mountain]

As for why they have the same helmet, my best guess is that either:
they assimilated some of Stalker's warframe strain somehow
Or
they got new helmets modeled after their new master, Stalker

why do I have such trouble with there/their/they're?

[swift steppe]

idk but acolytes are weird

[normal mountain]

You know what, I like the second option better
Yeah

They got new helmets based on their master

[sage moat]

ok yall i got a good question for ya

do you think we can save neci?

[swift steppe]

no

shes absolutely cooked

especially if wally is in her

[normal mountain]

Possible
Depends on how much of the fruit was scooped out of her melon

[swift steppe]

i like that version too

[normal mountain]

Do not ask me where that metaphor came from, because I don't know, and I don't want to know tbh

[swift steppe]

lmaoo

[restive river]

She’s essentially an empty husk being piloted around like a Warframe
But it does seem some of her will be present

My guess is it may be possible to save her but it’ll be VERY difficult to do so and if we do, not sure she can even go back to 1999

Though if she can then the boolean from getting the password from her parents will have to do with both saving her and her possibly returning, if that’s even possible

In theory it could be but it’d likely require getting both Kaya and Neci’s parents good endings
Kaya’s so Neci can have an actual way to get to 1999 and her parents through the password as I just stated

[stiff fable]

DE was hinting that the Rusalka we see in Isleweaver wasn't really her

[normal mountain]

Oh?

[restive river]

They hinted that it was and she would speak to us somewhat?

[normal mountain]

Maybe it is Rusalka until we rescue her
And from then on its just the Wall Man reminding us of what he can do to other people's melons?

[restive river]

I doubt we’re rescuing her in Isleweaver

[stiff fable]

When they revealed it at the devstream they kept saying that it wasn't really her before they tried making it seem ambiguous as to whether it was or was not

[normal mountain]

So?
It's a permanent node, so even if we do, there's probably going to still be a Rusalka invading Duviri with a Murmur army

[stiff fable]

I mean if she is being piloted like a Warframe, then it'll have some kind of mass production going

[restive river]

They said we may hear a bit from what’s left of her
That we may not know how much is him vs her

Like if we’re hearing anything from her definitively then that is her, just with Wally piloting her

Heck it sounds like Neci Wally is invading Duviri because of how both felt from the Drifter taking 1999 from them

More so Wally ofc

[swift steppe]

what password

[restive river]

Yeah ofc, but it falls into the same instance of revisiting a boss fight or quest and someone magically being alive again :p

[restive river]

Did you get the good ending with her parents?

[swift steppe]

i think so its been awhile

i probably forgot

[restive river]

They gave us a password that activated a boolean

[swift steppe]

what is boolean

what does that mean

[normal mountain]

Trigger for later stuff
Usually future Kim chats, but this one appears to do nothing

[swift steppe]

okay i see thank you

[restive river]

PapaPolar: "On empty crossroads, seek the eclipse." (MinVelRank6Convo1

[swift steppe]

thats the password?

[restive river]

Nothing yet

[restive river]

I just said it :p

[normal mountain]

Why I said 'appears'

[restive river]

It likely will later though we’ll see how

Which
Considering we have to give it to her the only instance where we can is with her

So my guess is that in some later content we will find her and bring her back from the brink, either with the password or by doing more with her via the password

I can see the finale quest featuring us lost in the void, finding her and saying that to her
And she then works with us

[swift steppe]

and then BOOM

[restive river]

Though I can see her maybe sacrificing herself so we can proceed with fighting and beating Wally, however that may end up being

[swift steppe]

wally tricked us and were absolutely cooked

imagine LMAO

[restive river]

Which
Wally is totally getting his finger at some point

[swift steppe]

BORING

[normal mountain]

Heck, maybe it also unlocks some content similar to Profit-Taker
Which, I noticed, also requires Rank 5 with a syndicate

[swift steppe]

wdym similar to profit taker

[restive river]

Also we still owe him something
If Oro is real then it’s our Oro
But it could just be us

[restive river]

Wdym boring?

[swift steppe]

him finding his finger again is boring

[restive river]

He’s never found it
And how is that boring

[normal mountain]

Have you reached Old Mate with Solaris United yet?

[swift steppe]

idk that just means we wont have that massie threat anymore sounds pretty boring to me

[restive river]

Him getting his finger is how he becomes powerful enough that we don’t stand a chance
Classic all hope seems lost scenario

[restive river]

What?
It means the threat is MORE massive???

[swift steppe]

ah i didnt see it like that nevermind then

[restive river]

Wally doesn’t want his finger so he can dip lmao

[swift steppe]

well idk i was seeing it more like oh my finger is back idgaf about you anymore cya

but yours makes more sense

[restive river]

He def cares about more than just his finger

[swift steppe]

yes but thats not the point wdym a fight similar to profit taker, a fight with who and why would it be similar to profit taker

[normal mountain]

that reminds me of a show I used to watch that had almost that exact scene happen lol

[swift steppe]

what show

[swift steppe]

like what

[normal mountain]

I don't know who, just thought it would be interesting

[restive river]

Getting what we owe from him
Being more than what he is
He’s also not a fan of the Orokin and especially not Albrecht

Wally wants to be more than what he is now
That’s why the Murmur are mockeries of human anatomy, he’s trying to make something, be something original
But all he can pull from is what he exists, he can only mirror

[normal mountain]

It's a Disney Channel cartoon
I ain't saying much more because that's actually a pretty big plot point in it
Just know that the first big villain is also missing a finger

[restive river]

Tbh a cool sparing match with Neci would be neat

[restive river]

svtfoe

[normal mountain]

Got it in one lol

[restive river]

man that show coulda been great
And it was for a bit