lore-discussion

[fresh sail]

I suddenly find myself amused that this discussion is happening in the lore channel
But considering Warframe Earth ascended to become the Orokin, is this discussion truly out of character?

[lean garden]

no space to put wind turbines or solar panels, and no way to occupy enough water for hydrodams

[feral cape]

Iirc hydro has the lowest kill count if you take a mean rather than average one event a couple decades ago killed 30k

[lean garden]

likely only way forward for self-reliance for energy is SMCs

[sage moat]

if there was nuclear was right now at this moment, i would die.
humanity would not. humanity would make it through. half the planet would be off limits and many people would starve in the following nuclear winter, but we would rebuild in under 1000 years

[fresh sail]

I'd wonder what space humanity might look like if it were one day real
But I find myself with too many doubts we will ever achieve that far evolutionary development

[lean garden]

hey if warframe's earth can survive 18 rad wars

so can you

[feral cape]

We just have to wait for a giant white orb

[lean garden]

and its many black dorito false-sisters

[fresh sail]

Not to get too political but
I'm already half convinced global nuclear war isn't even truly that far away in the year 2025

[graceful swan]

Chat should I start 18 radiation wars

[sage moat]

no start the first one and we'll go from there

[woven coyote]

Clearly it worked in warframe

[graceful swan]

Should work irl

[fresh sail]

Give me the big red button y'all
I swear I'll keep it safe

[sage moat]

i disagree! 100% understand, i just have more faith in humanity

[lean garden]

Something something something MAD something something something SALT START something something something not proper maintenance something something something I guest star in a Fall Out game as a ghoul

[woven coyote]

Games wouldnt steer us wrong right ?

[lilac aspen]

Until a Kubrow comes by

[graceful swan]

Gaming doesn't cause violence totally

[fresh sail]

I guess that's why you're the pope, huh?
I'd probably be closer to the guy that decides humanity isn't worth it so kickstarts the apocalypse

And yes, I know its edgy

[woven coyote]

As if humanity needs any help with that lol

[tall echo]

Reminds me of that torment nexus meme

[fresh sail]

Well, sometimes I can get impatient yannow

[lilac aspen]

The indomitable Human spirit within me tells me humanity will survive

[woven coyote]

Humanity is perfectly capable of ending itself thank you very much

[sage moat]

and look, not for nothing

[graceful swan]

Did Orokin society have a pope?

[woven coyote]

Not if humanity can help it

[fresh sail]

Sounds like what a representative of humanity that didn't want me to kickstart the apocalypse might say~

[feral cape]

https://tenor.com/view/gurren-lagann-tengen-toppa-gurren-lagann-ttgl-super-tengen-toppa-gurren-lagann-super-gurren-lagann-gif-27016595

[sage moat]

most people prophetizing a nuclear war?
🏈 🌭 🇺🇸

[lilac aspen]

“First one to kill humanity admits they like wearing wet socks.”

[woven coyote]

You will not killsteal humanity

[sage moat]

gurren lagann didn't invent my worldview but it did confirm it

[fresh sail]

Eh
Personally I prefer Persona 3's argument

Feel that better represents humanity

[woven coyote]

Btw the rising humidity is the mods sweating while reading this chat

Freaking autowrong

[sage moat]

we're dancing on the line of what's allowed

[lean garden]

Believe in the me that believes in you

[sage moat]

gurren lagann is not a masterpiece but it is pretty good its like a 7 or 8 out of 10

[lilac aspen]

We manage to not get deleted because technically this can be discussing what happened with Warframe Humanity

[fresh sail]

Humanity wouldn't rise to defeat the abomination bc its rad and believes in itself
Humanity would, at absolute best, rise in desperation and fear to attempt to fend off the abomination bc it desperately wants to live in its selfishness

[lilac aspen]

[fresh sail]

Anime tends to.... romanticize things

[lilac aspen]

Is it selfish of an animal to fight to not die?

[graceful swan]

Only one mod bothers talking about lore

[restive river]

I wonder how the orokin discovered continuity
And kuva
Cause both predate Albrecht’s void trip

[fresh sail]

Yes
But self-interest is morally neutral
You cannot enrich and improve your life, therefore allowing you to enrich the lives of others, without at least dabbling in selfishness

[sage moat]

well i think the answer there is the answer to the question "where does kuva come from"

[graceful swan]

Probably landed on the floor and they picked it up

[fresh sail]

Ambition is selfish, but without ambition you're not alive
You just.... exist

[woven coyote]

My guess is it just surfaced somewhere on earth
It is called the old blood so could be something they unearthed as well

[fresh sail]

The Old Blood...... BUT THEY DO NOT FEAR IT

[graceful swan]

Albrecht fears it

[fresh sail]

tsk tsk tsk They'll be one of 'em, sooner or later....

[tall echo]

Imagine being afraid of blood

[fresh sail]

Someone shoulda told 'em

[woven coyote]

I mean.....

[tall echo]

Nah

[tall echo]

Some people are afraid of seeing blood, not blood itself

[graceful swan]

Albrecht became afraid of it after meeting a man and a long thought process

[lilac aspen]

Hemophobia

Fear of Blood

[tall echo]

Not afraid, just refused it

[fresh sail]

Hemophobic vampire

[fresh sail]

I know rite, how rude
Some men just live in walls

[tall echo]

Oh that could be a good story

[lilac aspen]

Maybe the vampires that drink wine all the time are just mixing it with blood to avoid seeing, tasting, and smelling said blood

[sage moat]

the vampires that drink wine are the time are meant to just be drinking blood like that's the idea

[fresh sail]

Ngl, knowing the state of media fiction, I'm about 99.9999% certain it already is
Somewhere

[tall echo]

The adventured of hemophobic vamp and the werewolf with a fur allergy

[fresh sail]

He's allergic.... to himself?
Welp, that makes for a short life

That's like being a human allergic to water

[sage moat]

not like a death allergy like an achoo allergy

[lilac aspen]

Hemophobic Vampire and A werewolf allergic to dogs

[tall echo]

Well

[sage moat]

A A ACHOO that type

[lilac aspen]

Humans have that and live

[fresh sail]

I know humans can be allergic to water

[sage moat]

im allergic to cats and im chilling by one right now my goat OZZYYYYYYYYYYYYYY

[fresh sail]

Actually
What exactly is it that sets allergies like achoo and the ones that just kill you apart anyway
Like what determines which is which, leading to them being what they are

[lilac aspen]

Your immune system reaction

[fresh sail]

What if you're born w/o an immune system

[lilac aspen]

The Achoo ones can be referred to as “minor” allergies as your immune system isn’t folding in on itself trying to get rid of it

[graceful swan]

Then you're dead

[lilac aspen]

You have more pressing issues to worry about

[fresh sail]

Now I'm imagining being born w/o a skeleton
"That Time I Got Reincarnated As a Slime" but you're just a normal human that oozed out

[graceful swan]

Without an immune system, the body is unable to fight off infections, leading to a high risk of life-threatening illnesses

[fresh sail]

......God fudge monkeys what have I done

[sage moat]

Immunocompromised people do exist and they're a real example of people who need home schooling

[lilac aspen]

It is terrible
Both unable to fight off infection easily but also able to get illnesses easier

People underestimate how hard our immune system fights to keep us alive every second

[fresh sail]

How do they not poop out and die mid-life?

[lilac aspen]

Science

[plush phoenix]

before modern medicine a lot of immunocompromised people did. & it does still happen

[fresh sail]

Its kinda scary sometimes
The way the human body is self-repairing

The only machine in existence that doesn't outright require maintenance

[lilac aspen]

We are a fancy machine that sometimes needs maintenance from other machines

[fresh sail]

A machine of flesh

[graceful swan]

You can treat SCID now

[tall echo]

The human body is simultaneously incredibly durable and ridiculously fragile

[fresh sail]

Yeah but
Ok lemme put it like this
An automobile will require a maintenance before it finally dies one day
The human body, while not necessarily likely, can go its entire cycle w/o requiring a maintenance

[graceful swan]

I wonder if the Orokin had to treat Yuvans with SCID

[fresh sail]

Admittedly most people don't live the kindsa lives that enable that
But still, its one of the few things that such is even possible

No other machine is truly self-repairing ftmp
Tho I suppose tech is advancing in that direction

[sage moat]

I don't think the orokin spared any courtesy about illness

"you need penicillin? Could never be me"

[lilac aspen]

Survivorship bias clearly

[fresh sail]

I just hope I die b4 we start "augmenting" ourselves
I don't wanna live in a Cyberpunk reality

[past halo]

I always wondered, when the Technocyte Coda and a bunch of Techrot drag their concert to the present time does that technically make them the last of the Techrot strain of Infestation?

[lilac aspen]

Mother Nature saw we kept getting hurt body parts and reinforced it but ignored the actual vulnerable parts

[fresh sail]

I honestly don't even like surgery as a concept, even as I know its necessary
Or autopsies
Cutting into bodies just feels like irl necromancy to me

[feral cape]

So does most media

[sage moat]

Yes!

[lilac aspen]

I mean
It kinda was considered necromancy a long time ago

[fresh sail]

I realize it helps us
But I personally will likely never feel comfortable with it
Can't help it

[lilac aspen]

If you were a doctor and traveled back in time
Congratulations you’re now Scrimbo the dark warlock who calls upon the demons to cure people of their Ailments

[fresh sail]

I just meant that on average, anime tends to have far more positive outlooks on conceptual matters
And more often than other media, when someone is wronged egregiously or has a traumatic backstory, someone in the plot will usually strive to heroically avenge that injustice

I don't have anything against it

[lilac aspen]

I mean
It is fiction

[fresh sail]

But is it ✋PEAK FICTION🤚

[feral cape]

Id say so

[tall echo]

That is normal but the necromancy part is not

[sage moat]

oh i left and you guys immediately stopped talking

do we know what cy did to get glassed

[tall echo]

No

[woven coyote]

We just know that he deserves hugs after what happened to his last crew

[hexed oxide]

im guessing he was a railjack captain and comitted the heinous crime of talking back

Huh ?

Wrong channel ? Also taxon is not for stealth

[wanton mauve]

oh snap I am in the wrong channel, my bad

[ashen pulsar]

Didn’t he kill them? That part confused me a bit.

[tall echo]

He was ordered to

[ashen pulsar]

“Precepts: Complete the mission. Preserve the crew. To complete the mission the crew must die. To preserve the crew is to fail the mission. The crew exist to complete the mission. Therefore... I... completed the mission. Why was I given those orders?"

So he was given faulty orders?

[ashen pulsar]

He had to directly follow the orders but the orders were worded improperly or something? Or was he told to kill them?

[tall echo]

You can see his logic in this

The crew had to die to complete the mission

[ashen pulsar]

What was the mission

[tall echo]

That's never stated

[ashen pulsar]

Oh, okay

So probably a badly stated mission that accidentally required the crew to die to properly complete it.

[stiff fable]

Either that or a sabotage play

The Orokin were backbiters par excellance all the way up to the Executors

[sage moat]

hey Eleanor lovers, i understand the appeal

but she does compliment ballas indirectly. just a consideration for you

[hexed oxide]

Uh

[hexed oxide]

how so ?

[sage moat]

Rank2Convo1 she has a line that goes "Which means someone, somewhere had the guts to stop thinking of the Infestation as a brainless monster and start looking at what it could become"

and you have the option to say "Oh, you did NOT just describe Ballas as ‘having guts’."

[hexed oxide]

i think she didn't mean that

[sage moat]

i said it was indirectly!!

[hexed oxide]

ok wait

you're looking at gunpowder, someone will think "i can make pretty explosions in the sky with it", but others will think "hey, how do i use this to cause harm ?"

[tall echo]

Unintentionally, not indirectly

[proper barn]

We don't know. I still think Ballas made Cy do that cus they where literally gonna stop a sentient invasion.

But that's just what I think.

[sage moat]

how many kuva liches, sisters of parvos, and coda are there canonically

cause like the playerbase has probably killed 100k of these things but it feels unlikely that the worm queen would give away 100k large samples of kuva

[lilac aspen]

Coda are probably infinite
Sisters of Parvos probably too
Maybe even the Liches since she’s also canonically gathering Kuva a lot too

[sage moat]

well there can't be infinite, but we'd be talking like, billions if not trillions

[lilac aspen]

It also depends on the fact not every Tenno might be making these foes

[lilac aspen]

Coda wise, they can be infinite
Infested are really that based.

[sage moat]

coda can infact be infinite because the infestation is weird and transtemporal or whatever

supertemporal is probably better to use

[swift steppe]

what are those on the walls of lua

[hexed oxide]

Wall latch to them and get a buff

[swift steppe]

you gotta be joking

[feral cape]

They can shoot information throughout time not mass

[hexed oxide]

That's how they work, idk what they are though lol

[feral cape]

The infestation are very very finite they ain't the vex yet

[lilac aspen]

Orokin randomly placing buffs on walls for shits and giggles

[swift steppe]

yall are trolling me

those cant be buffs like what?

[hexed oxide]

Try it

[feral cape]

More than 7 less than 2^e308

[swift steppe]

why would the orokin do that

[swift steppe]

i cant i extracted lol

werll it forced me to

[hexed oxide]

Next time i guess

[tall echo]

Talking golden lua cracks?

[lilac aspen]

They’re Orokin, they do whatever they want

[hexed oxide]

Yes

[tall echo]

Void leak magic

[swift steppe]

wdym talking lua cracks

they talk??? wtf??? im scared

[tall echo]

I

[hexed oxide]

Everyone knows about them

[swift steppe]

i dont...

[hexed oxide]

Shame, shame on you

[swift steppe]

im sorry 😦

[tall echo]

You new to english?

[swift steppe]

ill do better i swear

[swift steppe]

actually its my second language

[tall echo]

Same

[swift steppe]

im fr*nch sorry guys

[hexed oxide]

🙁

[tall echo]

Talking [about] golden lua cracks

[swift steppe]

oh i thought you was saying they could talk

[ashen pulsar]

rip

[hexed oxide]

English is known to be lazy or omit words

[ashen pulsar]

im sorry for your loss

[tall echo]

And german is too so imagine those two combined

[hexed oxide]

🏳️

[swift steppe]

why do the do that

[tall echo]

Faster talking

[hexed oxide]

Why say much word when few word work ?

[ashen pulsar]

hell, the full sentence would've been "[are we/are you] talking [about] golden lua cracks?"

[swift steppe]

okay i see

[hexed oxide]

Then there is cases like 🇺🇸 color 🇬🇧 colour

[swift steppe]

yall jsut dont want to talk

[ashen pulsar]

english is such a great language :/

[swift steppe]

english is azz

[feral cape]

Atleast we dont have noun cases

Or no

[hexed oxide]

What now ?

[tall echo]

Well I've had to develop the habit of shortening a lot because of old monster hunter chats having violently strict letter caps

[feral cape]

What's it called when different words have different genders

[sage moat]

yooo monster hunter, based

[hexed oxide]

Noun gendering ?

[feral cape]

Like uhh German pants is masculine

[swift steppe]

thats called french

table is feminine in french

[tall echo]

It's plural

[feral cape]

So you use Das pant instead of der

[ashen pulsar]

yeah, that's a plus to english, one of the few.

[tall echo]

Die

[feral cape]

I was close

[tall echo]

Not das

[hexed oxide]

Idk what's it gramatically, i just know in spanish we have it

[feral cape]

I dropped German for a reason

[signal narwhal]

What if WE made the Garuda lore, then showed it to DE

[hexed oxide]

Pfp checks out

[tall echo]

I am german for no reason

[hexed oxide]

Was ist das

[ashen pulsar]

lots of languages do, english doesnt

[swift steppe]

real but why do riven exist

[feral cape]

There were more reasons than der die das ect

[ashen pulsar]

fortunately

[tall echo]

I'm still annoyed that there's no gender neutral pronouns in german

[hexed oxide]

Germans when you call it "toilette" instead of poopenfarten

[swift steppe]

please

[tall echo]

My favorite game is ze leg end of zelda das fluten duten

[mental tartan]

OoT is goated though, fr

[hexed oxide]

Das krankenhaus (sick people's home)

[tall echo]

You plays games?

[sage moat]

started with world but enjoyed myself much more in 4u. picked up wilds when it came out too

[tall echo]

Don't even gotta ask here I recognize the gathering hall abbreviation

[hexed oxide]

I may have a crippling hunting addiction

[tall echo]

I started in generations, played every game since

[sage moat]

check out 4u! its not bad

[tall echo]

4u is the best mh game according to a large number of players

[sage moat]

ive heard the same for GU

[tall echo]

I prefer GU

[hexed oxide]

Whichever game had the tonfas and magnet spike

And medium bowgun

[tall echo]

The one that doesn't exist

Anymore and yet

[hexed oxide]

We don't talk about that one i guess...

[tall echo]

Different game

Alright so wf lore

[hexed oxide]

Wait a sec. Honorary mention for accel axe

[tall echo]

As a swaxe main I desire the accel axe

[hexed oxide]

Needs to become the 15th weapon (16th since wilds akuma is a whole different moveset basically)

[tall echo]

I need more axes

[sage moat]

am i in the minority for wanting more open worlds

[tall echo]

I want good free roam first

[sage moat]

true!

[tall echo]

The existing three feel both tiny and empty

[sage moat]

i have a solution but it would require a good amount of work

make fishing hotspots and mining areas rarer but offer more rewards. make completing them offer decrees. make more roaming boss fights with good rewards

[tall echo]

-# Make the fish hitboxes bigger

[sage moat]

eidolons at night? give us something for the day. give us a boss that roams the orb vallis, third orb spider maybe. give us any boss on Deimos at all. and add more minigames total in the open worlds!

every open world should feel like duviri, i feel. duviri is just so much better than the others its shocking.

[hexed oxide]

~~vome and fass as bosses ~~

[tall echo]

Well there are the thumpers for day plains

[sage moat]

good point ive never considered them bosses

and they suck so make them good

[tall echo]

Fight them with corvas and they'll feel like bosses

[sage moat]

also im glad they're kinda sorta turning duviri into the murmur open world. my brand of mental illness means i want a bunch of faction theming for everything

which is why i like the adversary system so much. i want an adversary type for every faction, even if some double dip like the coda being infested AND techrot

[swift steppe]

i am also a victim of mental illness

which is why i am addicted to warframe

[hexed oxide]

we are all mentally ill, we are warframe players in the lore channel

[proper barn]

nueordivergent.

[swift steppe]

yes

[ashen pulsar]

more iradite and nistlepods. plains are fixed.

but seriously, make farming random items more engaging, cuz it sure as hell isnt rn.

[sage comet]

Nuh uh, not me, I shall not 👺

[normal pine]

doing the Y2K chapter

this is pretty cool

Aoi is cute

Quincy is a badass

[rapid rapids]

guys ik this prob doesnt have any lore and is just some progression mechanic but why do you have to fire a giant blue laser at a planet to access another one

[graceful swan]

You don’t you connect a rail to another rail DE just didn’t move the rail to account for the planet so it shows you hitting the planet

[swift steppe]

me when im firing a big blue laser towards a planet

[normal pine]

THEY DID MY BOY QUINCY SO DIRTY NUUUUUUUU

[misty helm]

I find it quite weird that Albretch decided to give what's basically the tech to make a super-soldier, to what's basically pretty normal people overall. With the only exception of Quincy and Arthur.

So much for the Orokin time-travelling genius he's suppossed to be

[woven coyote]

There was a site with dossiers iirc

[strange plinth]

not sure what you mean

[silk atlas]

More than half of them have ties to the military

[strange plinth]

amir's the only full civilian
eleanor is a journalist that we know didn't stray away from danger
everyone else had military or peace-keeping ties iirc
wasn't thinking about the encore group

[misty helm]

Nothing more than, my honest opinion, Arthur and Quincy are somewhat of an obvious choice (knowing what's the 'mission'), given their military background. But the others are just civs. Except for Velimir and Minerva ofc. But those are even more a red flag if you think about it.

[silk atlas]

Aoi went with Arthur in the military and Lettie's a combat medic

[misty helm]

One would think he would have chosen some spec-ops or something to make his move.

[misty helm]

You're right, I forgot about Lettie

Aoi I don't recall if she was ever on a military role, tho. I should revisit that

[graceful swan]

Eleanor was a War reporter

[misty helm]

Yeah, but does a war reporter really has what you need on what's basically a suicide mission straight out of a black op?

[silk atlas]

A good chunk of her convos involve their breakup during their time stationed together

[woven coyote]

It was probably less about mission and more compatibility and what albrecht needed

[silk atlas]

Obviously not, that's why Albrecht picked her out. Same with Amir, with the added bonus of twisting his arm to cause him to be desperate in the first place.

[woven coyote]

Again he didnt randomly pick them he had dossiers on them

[misty helm]

Amir I could get it, as he's basically a tech genius

[graceful swan]

If you’re brave enough to chill in War zones to report you’re brave enough to be in them in 1999

[silk atlas]

Also the reason Albrecht was able to get the reactor to go off, since Albrecht hacked him for the specs

[misty helm]

I wouldn't be so bold to compare a war reporter to an operator from a spec-ops team

But yeah, I guess.

[silk atlas]

You're still thinking too grandiose

[misty helm]

I mean, most of them were basically breaking down at some point on Lotus Eaters, besides Arthur.

[woven coyote]

Like you really missed the entire point of all of it

[strange plinth]

that's.. the point
and arthur was breaking down too

[misty helm]

What I'm trying to say is, can you really risk it with that kind of people? He was basically gambling some random civ won't end up turning on him or going completely bananas, after you turned them on a living weapon.

[misty helm]

From what I saw, he was the only one 100% focused

[woven coyote]

You still dont get it at all

[silk atlas]

Forgetting that The Hex still want him alive so they can possibly turn them back to normal.

[misty helm]

Details aside

[silk atlas]

Either he lives and gets what he wants so they can maybe go back to normal, or he dies and now they're SoL

The details are the main bulk. If Albrecht didn't trust them to do exactly what he needed to get himself out with the reactor, he would've been picking out other people.

[misty helm]

Yeah, I mean, Minerva is a literal spy

IMHO he was gambling. Again, details aside. From a cold perspective.

[tall echo]

But he wasn't

[strange plinth]

minerva and velimir also knew what they were going into and willingly accepted the helminth injections, the rest did not

[misty helm]

I know each has their own story and justification for being there, but take it like this; if you were him, would you have picked them? I surely would have picked Arthur and Quincy, as they already had the profile. Idk about Lettie, really.

[tall echo]

War medic

[misty helm]

There are a bunch of those

[tall echo]

He chose the ones he chose for reasons

[misty helm]

My point is, there's a reason every army in the world as a hellish filter for their most special operators

[tall echo]

No point reading deeper into it

[silk atlas]

And if it was any other character we'd be having the same convo just with a name swap. Albrecht had to pick people, these are who he picked, he did massive amounts of research on these people to make sure his plan didn't screw up.

[misty helm]

But thinking about it, the Orokin put a bunch of traumatized children on mass-killing machines

[silk atlas]

Good thing Albrecht only needed them for as long as it took to escape with the reactor explosion

[misty helm]

You're right

[silk atlas]

A lot of this convo has just been about missing what Albrecht needed at the time and how he was more than prepared when picking who he needed. He wouldn't have gone after Amir if he didn't have something Albrecht needed

[strange plinth]

https://www.warframe.com/1999/protoframes
aforementioned dossier site

[ashen pulsar]

the orokin did what would benefit them most, in their eyes. there was nobody else to help them, really

they didnt have tenno adults available

[misty helm]

Yeah, that one I know about. You can literally see Albretch himself knew some of them had potentially troublesome profiles

[strange spindle]

The plan also sort of relies on the drifter liking the hex in 1999 because of the whole friendship is magic thing

[misty helm]

Literally the best profile of all of them

[digital grail]

Go through enough with someone and they become....tolerable

[strange spindle]

They are all more emotional than ideal, but I think that's supposed to be a good thing, since he calls the thing they are fighting the indifference, right?

He tells the drifter they can't save the hex but the drifter was only with them for like half an hour and they already bonded with these people and liked them so Albrecht told them how to do it, which was convenient to the point that I think Albrecht wanted this outcome.

[strange plinth]

he did
he needed us to understand how to fight off the indifference
he doesn't know that we already know from whispers, so while its a little repetitive from our perspective, it makes sense from his

[graceful swan]

He gave an alternative outcome for you because you wanted to save them working with what he had

[sage moat]

sentient weapons can get primes. meaning we'll probably get venato prime with caliban prime

but interestingly, this lowers the chances of the (surprisingly abundant) sentient weapons getting an adversary system revamp

[normal mountain]

I know this isn't what you meant at all
But now I want a gun that has voice lines when you use it (sorta like the Gemini skins)

For those that have the Flare Gemini, does Lizzie ever have any lines?

[sage moat]

lizzie does have some lines!

[normal mountain]

Oh neat

[tall echo]

Eh

[sage moat]

including my favorite line in the gemini skin, "Oh, Flare. Sweetest flower in the savage garden."

[normal mountain]

That is somehow both endearing and disturbing at the same time
I love it

[tall echo]

I can not think of any primed sentient weapons

[sage moat]

phantasma

[tall echo]

Right

[normal mountain]

Does that even count?

It's more Eidolon than Sentient

[sage moat]

eidolons are sentients

[tall echo]

Eidolons-

[sage moat]

https://tenor.com/view/joseph-joestar-memed-jjba-handsome-smile-gif-14599426

[tall echo]

I can't wait to have a pc again

[normal mountain]

I mean I guess
To me, it sounds like saying zombies are humans, but...

[tall echo]

Zombies are humans

[woven coyote]

I mean if it was primed it wasn't really sentient

[normal mountain]

Perhaps I've simply played too much Halo to really see it that way

[woven coyote]

Only tenno/orokin weapons get primed after all

[graceful swan]

Wait till we see Caliban Prime get a Prime weapon

[woven coyote]

He does have a scythe

[graceful swan]

He’s more Sentient

[tall echo]

-# helios

[lilac aspen]

Revenant’s gun and blade were Tenno/Orokin based but got Eidolon corrupted or something

Like how he got corrupted

[normal mountain]

Perhaps Cephalon stuff counts as Orokin?
Especially considering that the Orokin made the Cephalons

[tall echo]

Helios is corpus

[sage moat]

wiki lists it as a sentient weapon

[lilac aspen]

So his can get a pass in the form of they were Tenno weaponry primed, but they got Spookified

[sage moat]

helios was made early on in the game's development i feel like we can safely call it an exception

[lilac aspen]

Maximum spooky, you could say

[sage moat]

its possible revenant is an exception, though

[normal mountain]

It is?
The hek, I thought it was Cephalon like the Heliocor

[graceful swan]

It’s not a Cephalon

[sage moat]

cephalon isn't a recognized faction. unless im mistaken

[tall echo]

Its bp is obtained from the corpus lab, it has an extreme corpus aethetic

[tall echo]

There are cephalon weapons

[sage moat]

im mistaken

[woven coyote]

Yeah but sentinels aren't anyone's tech exactly

[normal mountain]

Okay
I stand corrected then

[woven coyote]

Remember sentinels were just found

[graceful swan]

Sentinels aren’t even confirmed to be Sentient either

[tall echo]

"What the hek is this"
"Idk but wanna weaponize it?"
"Sure"

[woven coyote]

Pretty much

[normal mountain]

Maybe they're just distant descendants
Like dogs are from wolves

Distinct enough to be their own thing

[woven coyote]

That was probably just people trying to hide their misspelings lol

[graceful swan]

I think Helios was made by Corpus but a Corpus guy went to the Orokin and went “make it gold”

[lilac aspen]

Same vibe of
“Mushroom make unga sleep permanently.”
“Do we use mushroom to fight big cat off?”
“Hm. Yes.”

[sage moat]

my headcanon for it is that the modern helios is just something the corpus cooked up based on old tech that was still lying around

so on top of the codex recognized factions, it seems there is also Cephalon and Tenno-made weapons

[graceful swan]

Nah it’s not it’s because of this

“On the border of charted space, an enclave of small, strange, seemingly intelligent creatures was discovered by Tenno explorers. They are mechanical entities, almost organic in appearance, with a precarious resemblance to the fearsome Sentients that had decimated human civilization. However, these creatures showed no signs of aggression, and they immediately began carrying out helpful tasks in peculiar alliance with the Tenno.”

[sage moat]

surely we'll get an answer at SOME point as to what they are

[woven coyote]

Probably not

[graceful swan]

Maybe in 2035

[woven coyote]

Yeah but the confidence of reading that and saying "it was definetely this!" In my opinion comes from people misspelling and then trying to justify the misspelling

[graceful swan]

New excuse unlocked

Sentinel
Sentient

[woven coyote]

Lol

[sage moat]

so there's the codex reecognized faction but some weapons are attributed to factions that aren't recognized in the codex

i hate this! anyway yall think citrine would be good as a Cephalon themed frame? maybe gara instead?

[hexed oxide]

We need a cephalon themed frame now (dante doesn't count)

[hexed oxide]

Considering gara is able to glass people, i'd say she's more fit to be related to cephalons

[normal mountain]

Of course not
Dante is the Leverian frame

[normal mountain]

Gara has glass powers for other reasons
albeit distantly relates to Cephalons

It's a funny story, honestly

[hexed oxide]

I know, tuvul wanted her glassed for voluntarily becoming a frame, then ballas said "i'll have her glassed all right"

[normal mountain]

Was Nihil, but otherwise ye

[woven coyote]

Tuvul is the as the kids say yapper in the zariman ipads

[graceful swan]

Does Gara count she was made to have glass power to spite Nihil

[hexed oxide]

I don't really remember much about the 7, i only know tuvul has the tuvul commons named after him and nihil likes glassing people for littering

[normal mountain]

and then there's Ballas...

[woven coyote]

Nihil is the redittor meme of "noooo you cant do that"

[lilac aspen]

“GLASS HER!”

Ballas:

[graceful swan]

We only know of 5 out of 7
Avantus
Ballas
Tuvul
Nihil
Karishh

[normal mountain]

You know, I wonder if we'll ever find out who the other 2 are

[graceful swan]

Probably not

[normal mountain]

Probably not, yeah
Although I think it would be hilarious if it turned out the last two were people we already know

Like that Belric and Rania couple, for example

Probably not, but still would be funny

[graceful swan]

Wouldn’t make much sense

[tall echo]

Karishh stands out so much compared to the other ones

[strange turtle]

I mean.

I imagine he stood out physically too

[native heron]

Am i the only one who loves the lore behind voruna?

Like she's literally busted in the lore

Pulled up with nothing but beef

[proper barn]

No. Vorunas lore is cool. It also talks about Yuvans more.

And the rituals behind it it also gave kuva a new ability.

[native heron]

Yeah she stopped the ceremony from turning that orokin dude immortal

[proper barn]

I mean she wanted to kill the leader of a terrible empire someone she had to protect that killed countless young people by taking over their bodies.

[native heron]

By Frankensteining herself with her dead wolves

[proper barn]

Thats not what it does.

[proper barn]

Well by killing him and taking the kuva from him.

[native heron]

I kinda forgor it tbh but i know it was rad

[proper barn]

Okay continuity is going from 1 body to other. And by doing that you destory the person in the body we are going to.

[native heron]

Yeah ik

[proper barn]

It's what the Queens tried to do to us and what all Orokin did to live forever.

[native heron]

Technically it's a form of immortality

[proper barn]

Also Vorunas job was like protecting the place where that happened. Well where the most elite did it.

[native heron]

Yeah hence why the queens want her

[proper barn]

Well the Queens want her cuz like

Warframe parts

[native heron]

Yeah

Also it's kinda cool how we as drifters don't understand our power as much as we do now that we met kaya

[proper barn]

Also the Queens are Orokin by the way they just have been out into grinner bodies.

[native heron]

Yeah ik

Also out of all the stinky orokin i find albrecht to be the least orokiny if that makes sense

Like he doesn't want to rule people he just wants to make their lives worse

[hexed oxide]

he just decided not to do the usual cosmetic changes (long arm and skin colour) and decided to stop going through continuity (out of fear of being a copy iirc). other than that i think he's just as indifferent to suffering

[proper barn]

He still has some Stink but yeah I get it.

[native heron]

Like he's worse than your average orokin in distinct way

[woven coyote]

He considers it part of his resolve to stop wally

[hexed oxide]

i thought it was something like "im not sure if the thing that came back from the void was the real me...i better not continue if i am not me"

[woven coyote]

A very warped resolve but oh well he is dealing with quite the big issue

[woven coyote]

Oh i didn't specify my bad, it was in reference to being indifferent to suffering

Should be in the last grimoire log iirc

Something something i will care not for the dust that falls to the sides or whatever

Part of the whole honest demon monologue

[viscid scroll]

do i do it?

[sage moat]

i know we probably won't get aliens just for basic things like tone and theme but its really funny to imagine one day we do and they don't update the eleanor dialogue so its drifter going "yep definitely no aliens "

[restive river]

We def won’t
DE has said so themselves iirc, or something along those lines

I would say it’s not a probably unless some new creative leads come in who don’t understand the vision and meaning of the game and it’s story

[tall echo]

And at that point the game's gonna die anyways

[sage moat]

i mean. at some point

i really don't think itll be soon, though i know some people are more doomerish about it

[restive river]

They always have been lol

[sage moat]

oh its not a new development?

there've always been people like "this game won't last another few years" (the game proceeded to last 10 more years)

[restive river]

Yeah lol

[lilac aspen]

Yeah there’s still a core memory for me when Warframe was just starting

A comment from someone saying they don’t see it lasting another few months and it’ll die out.

[sage moat]

i feel like there'd be more signs if warframe was dying out

idk this for sure id appreciate if we had numbers somewhere, but i imagine the 1999 ad campaign brought in a TON of people. Like I obviously got more than the average person because my algorithm already had warframe content but it had to have hit some people

[humble sierra]

Sometimes it feels like DE doesn't even realize how big their game is now

Just look at TennoCon: tickets sold out in mere minutes

DE was expecting it to take a week

[tall echo]

Not what I said anyways

[sage moat]

oh yeah i wasn't arguing with you

so are there multiple void entities or does wally just have branches?
Are the murmur like puppets? Do they think on their own? If yes to the second question, are they seperate from wally or "parts of the whole" the way parts of the infestation are

are scathing whispers wally?

[plush phoenix]

idt the duvirians are wally

[sage moat]

good point, wasn't even thinking of them

[lean garden]

The case for the murmur is smidge complex

Because technically yes they are suggested to be able to be separate (KIV severed warden) but theyre also a piece of wally

[proper barn]

okay there are many void entities BUT the murmur are seeminlgy all part of wally.

Like Thrax is his own void entiy that controls duviri and even fights wally even before the newest quest. @sage moat The holdfasts are void entities from concetual embodiment of their own emotions. If you take what the holdfasts say as true we are like a SHINING BRIGHT void becon thing. so we might also be mostly void at this point.

[sage moat]

and the scathing/mocking whispers are also part of wally?

[proper barn]

probably not? that seems to just be a mimicking void demon.

[sage moat]

there's just randos 😭

[proper barn]

maybe.

I don't know for sure. @sage moat

[brittle siren]

What are they look like

[sage moat]

they mimic your warframe

[normal mountain]

And your Operator

wait a sec...

[sleek steppe]

I hope to God we get news on android release on tennocon

[normal mountain]

Only if there's significant development regarding it
Otherwise, I'd rather not just get teased by it

[humble sierra]

Considering you can start wishlisting it on the play store now, I think it's likely releasing this year

Like, they're advertising it as well

[barren jasper]

i would bet money that they will. they have a working build rn

[brittle siren]

I think they are part of Wally

[strange turtle]

Doesn’t Tagfer talk about his theory and thoughts on Wally/The Indifference when you fight the Whispers?

That and them being called Whispers in the Whispers In The Wall update, yeah they’re probably just more extensions of Wally a la Murmur

[dusk sequoia]

Who's the dark eyed version of me?

Or the Operator?

[lean garden]

The Man in The Wall

aka Wally

[dusk sequoia]

So he can imitate anyone like how He imitated Mr. Entrati?

[lean garden]

Yeap

[wispy gust]

In survival missions, if the infested are releasing spores to get rid of the Tenno, why do they use or even have their own personal life support modules if they aren't harmed by their own spores?

[sly ibex]

Probably making something dangerous even to itself, since the Warframes are also Infested.

[silk atlas]

Or are leftovers from when they took over the people who would've just had the life support with them

[wispy gust]

Would the infested be smart enough to design it? Maybe its just in my mind but they seem more like evil animals that just try to assimilate

[wispy gust]

I feel like this is the most likely explanation

[silk atlas]

wdym "design" it. It'd just be a biological function same as vomiting to them. They're not animals at all, they can be pretty damn crafty with stuff like Arlo and Jordas Golem

[graceful swan]

They are on ships they took over most of the time meaning someone else was there meaning they would've needed life support

Also doesn't Lotus mention sending them in when she says Life Support inbound?

[wispy gust]

I thought it would be less of a biological functilon as it would be a design chemical weapon

[silk atlas]

Almost everything is biological with the Infested

The only things that aren't are the Mutalist stuff which is the obvious exception

[silk atlas]

I assume they mean the life support you get from the enemies as a drop, which would be covered by the "they had them before being Infested" thing

[sly ibex]

The Mutalist strain is still biological. Alad just further tweaked the Infestation from what the Orokin had done so it could better takeover even more complex machinery and such.

Techrot might be the closest we have seen so far to its original/"natural" state.

We just don't know if the Techrot was engineered or altered by anyone, aside from knowing it was used for the Codas.

[strange spindle]

doers infestation affect the size of a person without changing the way they look? why are the entrati so big

i know they are also partially tentacle flower but the part of them that still looks...normal for them is still big

[normal mountain]

That's probably due to the Grey Strain
That specific brand of Infestation likes to make things big

[silk atlas]

Isn't Ballas also fairly big even when he wasn't half-Sentient?

[strange spindle]

is that what made the big ones (the one that did the victory sign at the end of 1999 and the symbol of gay love in the labs?}

[silk atlas]

Albrecht made them with Grey Strain, yeah

[strange spindle]

i see

so they used to be humans as well?

[silk atlas]

We have no idea. Just that it used Grey Strain and some samples from the Protoframes to make them

[strange spindle]

also do we know how much time passed between the operator getting thrown into. whatever that was and the drifter actually rescuing them?

like, its difficult for me to understand how long things have been happening

like how far long ago was 1999 and present day

there were rise and fall of empires

[normal mountain]

Long enough for the stars to change positions entirely, if that tells you anything
Believe Eleanor once said she couldn't recognize a single constellation

[silk atlas]

There's barely anything that talks about the timeframe between things because it's not really that important, mostly just the order of things.

1999 especially, with the timeframe being "so far back nothing that goes on in there minus what you do in gameplay matters"

[strange spindle]

how long does it take for stars to change positions?

[normal mountain]

years
and lots of them

[strange spindle]

i mean, i think the overarching conceit of warframe is that everything we did we did to ourselves which is probably why there are no aliens

but its shocking we managed not to totally destroy ourselves in the process to get here

[normal mountain]

That's exactly why we have no aliens iirc

Which I found both intriguing and disappointing

I like aliens

[strange spindle]

i mean, i've only been playing for 3 weeks and i only realized 2 weeks in that there were no aliens

my brain wasn't working

too busy screaming as i run from infested

[silk atlas]

I very much prefer there being no aliens because then they actually have to think about what they can do in their current setting instead of just slamming in whatever because aliens are pretty much a creative blank check.

[normal mountain]

Yes, yes, I see your point
But consider:
I grew up on Halo

Not having aliens is both refreshing and saddening to me, because I adored the Covenant designs

[strange spindle]

i actually don't really know the storyline of halo, other than that the ai is named cortana and apparantely she's a bad guy and microsoft was like lets name our ai after her

like naming your new tech skynet

nothing could possibly go wrong

[normal mountain]

Um, no
Iirc, the bad guy development was only a plot twist for Halo 5 (or a different one, I stopped playing by that point)

For a long, long time, Cortana was our trusted companion

||granted, she also started going insane in Halo 4 because she'd been active for too long, and then died||
||but obviously she's not dead, because I lost track of the plot due to being unable to play past 4||

[strange spindle]

right, so microsoft named their virtual assistant after a fictional ai that they knew at the time was unstable in the fiction

[feral cape]

I mean despite there being no aliens the tau sentients are effectively the same thing from a writer standpoint

They've been evolving and adapting for atleast a thousand years

[strange spindle]

its amazing that we speak the same language as the sentients

[normal mountain]

The instability thing was only introduced in 4 (afaik)
For the three games before that, she was perfectly sane

[feral cape]

I mean they were made by people so I dont find that shocking

[strange spindle]

also amazing that drifter instanatly knows text speech

the masses can barely read Chaucer

i don't know how far it would have drifted

[normal mountain]

I mean, Drifter was in school before the Zariman incident and making himself a home in Duviri

Plus, I'd be shocked if emojiis didn't exist in the far future

[strange spindle]

what i'm saying is, englilsh is totally different than it was just 700 years ago, so the evolution over thousands of years would be even wider

[normal mountain]

And if not, I wouldn't be surprised if Aoi offered a crash course in 1999 lingo

[sage moat]

You have to make concessions for the sake of a story

[strange spindle]

i know mechanically its just easier to do it this way

so i don't really mind

just fun to think about

[normal mountain]

True
But it's so much more fun to try to explain it!

[sage moat]

I was told by a writer once

"Don't write your story for the least creative person you can imagine"

[normal mountain]

That's good advice, actually

[strange spindle]

its always good to leave stuff unexplained so people can write fanfic

[hexed oxide]

what are you doing here, miyazaki ?

[strange spindle]

since i'm mostly crap at video games i like to focus more on the story and lore

[dusk temple]

Well, Aoi does teach the Drifter emoticons, so probably she gives him a crash course in between missions.

[strange spindle]

i have another question though

are all cephalons former people

because Loid doesn't make sense to me

[hexed oxide]

yes

[dusk temple]

I don't know the ins and outs of it but yes.

Sometimes it was voluntary, other times a punishment.

[hexed oxide]

albrecht made a clone of loid and glassed the clone, keeping the original loid

[silk atlas]

Yes.

[strange spindle]

a clone is just a body though right? or does it retain the memories too?

[glacial bough]

Necraloid is just adjacent

[dusk temple]

One of the Hex members, Aoi i think, has a vested interest in the Cephalons. So chatting with her might reveal more information.

[normal mountain]

Iirc memories were not important for Albrecht's purposes
He wanted to make a companion for Loid

[normal mountain]

Amir

Amir is the one obsessed with Cephalons

also robots in general

[strange spindle]

albrecht, two loid's is your fantasy, not Loid's

[normal mountain]

I thought it was sweet
He made it so Loid wouldn't be alone while Albrecht was elsewhere
It is a little weird how he did it
But still sweet

[strange spindle]

i'm sure his intention was sweet because he was probably like well loid is the best companion for me, so i'll make a Loid for Loid. my guy, YOU are loid's best companion

no accounting for taste

[smoky fog]

||Did Drifter could ressurect Lotos because of her hand, or did he found her body somehow?|| New war spoiler

[old dome]

who knows. we never got an answer to that.

[smoky fog]

aaahhh

[terse vector]

Just finished all main quests

Someone plz Explain what I did ._.

[glacial bough]

her hand. It was the only solid part of her boy there

[graceful swan]

You're the one who did it what is confusing you?

[restive river]

She’s a sentient, the Drifter just got her out of the void

[terse vector]

Okay so
What are warframes (in order to the Quests like what we thought they were first and then they were what?)and why were they created and by who?
Who are the orokin?
What is the origin system?
Who is hunhow?
What is the entire lore behind the drifter?
Whose the stalker?
What is duviri?
What is the tau?
What is lore behind zariman and the void stuff related?
What is each factions lore?
What is the lotus? Like is she natah or margulis and who were both?
Explain the entire warframe 1999 part?
Like if you would summarize all the quests how would it be?

I know that I did the quests but hey I was told even veterans still ask about the lore so I'm just a month and a half in the game -_-

[ashen pulsar]

Warframes are people infected with a variant of the infestation that causes them to lose their humanity, basically

[old dome]

yea veterans do ask bc they forgot the lore years ago... you didnt even pay any attention did you?

[ashen pulsar]

You might wanna replay some quests ngl

[old dome]

https://youtu.be/5ekJpbdRz4Y anyway watch this.

[ashen pulsar]

Or watch playthroughs

[terse vector]

I did, what else could I have been looking at? The game doesn't let me open anything and I don't got a phone to scroll on. If I didn't want to understand and pay attention then the skip button would have been used ?

[glacial bough]

Brother, that's more than questions, that's not paying attention to the game at all

[terse vector]

Damn ._.

[terse vector]

Doing that since I need to do alot

[old dome]

the fact that you asked questions the game itself answered for you.. shows me that no, you didnt pay attention to what the characters are saying. you just went around killing enemies & speedran the whole game.

[restive river]

Warframes are infested people
The Orokin were a class of people who saw themselves as gods who ruled over the orogin system
The origin system is our solar system
The Drifter is a version of the Operator who was not saved and due to their trauma and emotions the void made Duviri, also due to the fact the Drifter held onto the Duviri storybook
Stalker is a low guardian turned into a warframe who hates the tenno for killing the Orokin
Duviri is a storybook made real by the void
Tau is another solar system where the sentients live
The Zariman is a colony ship that failed a void jump to Tau to colonize it
There is way too much to go into for every faction so be more specific
Lotus/Natah is a sentient, specifically a mimic programmed to infiltrate the tenno disguised as their original adoptive mother Margulis, she didn’t go through with betraying us cause she learned to love us and became our new mom
1999 is Warframe’s actual past, specifically a time loop, we go there to find Albrecht and stop the man in the wall, the loop gets extended so the Drifter can know the Hex better and have love to fight the man in the wall as love is his poison

I would just go play all the quests again or watch someone play them if you didn’t understand any of this, also go read the lore pc in the Sanctum Atomica as it goes over a lot of stuff prior to the void arc (the arc we’re in now)

[old dome]

anyway!! watch the video i sent. it answers everything.

[restive river]

You did kinda like
Miss like everything. Somehow

[terse vector]

Ty man, ig your right I may have not paid attention. But I finally found a game after so long that has a community who wants to help and i actually enjoy it. So I really wanted to learn the story. And your saying that this was already answered in game so yeah might have been my fault

[terse vector]

;

;/

[restive river]

There’s no harm in doing a replay of the quests

Also like
Sorry but you really did miss everything, a lot of that is spelled out pretty simply

[ashen pulsar]

I’m just surprised there weren’t that many Wally-related questions lmao

[old dome]

sorry if i sounded harsh...

[terse vector]

Whose wally 😭

[restive river]

I personally have replayed some of the quests like 3 times
And I have watched friends play the quests

[restive river]

The man in the wall

[ashen pulsar]

Have you ever gotten the “hey kiddo”

[restive river]

Also sorry if I’ve sounded harsh at all
It’s just kinda shocking you’re caught up and know nothing-

[old dome]

"(in a raspy whisper) rap. tap. tap."

[terse vector]

Nah its fine it does irritate me tho that I try to ask something and ik it's a stupid question but doesn't mean I get a mad answer like ._.

[terse vector]

OH THAT GUY

[ashen pulsar]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046575614796247100/1378698627861581908/Screenshot_2025-06-01_073539.png?ex=684818a7&is=6846c727&hm=a85a5b09cb8473b6199c709be3be56c955ce67b61dadf22f3d466852a1299d8d&

[restive river]

I gave you a buncha answers lol

[terse vector]

I was freaking shaking when did that quest

[ashen pulsar]

That’s Wally lol

[restive river]

@terse vector

[terse vector]

Yeah I saw

[restive river]

I hope that helps some :)

[terse vector]

Yep

[graceful swan]

1 We thought we were the frame after sleeping fror a long time which we learned we weren't again in The Second Dream

2 Warframes are Infested humans specifically Helminth strain

3 Orokin were the rulers who we killed which is explained in The Second Dream

4 Origin System is the star chart you play in

5 Hunhow is Lotus’s dad who woke up in the Natah quest due to Tyl Regor

6 Drifter is Operator if they didn't get saved from the deal which you saw in The New War

7 Duviri is the Kingdom based on the book Tales of Duviri

8 Tau is another star system

9 Zariman is the ship sent into the Void to hopefully get to Tau which failed

10 Corpus were founded by Parvos and Grineer were Orokin slaves used as builders

11 1999 is the actual past of the Origin System

[ashen pulsar]

Wally, aka the man in the wall, is a void entity. He shows up either as a clone of us or a statue of the vitruvian man

Almost everything we see him do is to make fun of us ngl

[restive river]

@terse vector if you can go to necraloid in the necralisk, you will see a buncha murals from left to right
Interact with those from left to right
It details Albrecht’s first encounter with Wally and it’s really cool :)

[ashen pulsar]

And once as albrecht iirc

[restive river]

Yeah him forcing us to kill our parents was to make fun of us

[terse vector]

Why are you guys mentioning 1999 as the actual past

[ashen pulsar]

Almost…

[restive river]

Wally can show up as anyone
But
He rarely does

[terse vector]

I was scared when I did his quest

Was thinking I was about to grt jumpscardc

[restive river]

Cause some people are convinced it’s like Duviri, some bubble in the void
1999 is Warframe’s actual past, we time travel to find Albrecht cause he did the same

Which how we time traveled is through the infestation btw

[restive river]

Wdym almost??

[ashen pulsar]

Almost everything we see him do

[terse vector]

No but duviri is a like a separate thing
A possibility event

[ashen pulsar]

Wally does a lot of trolling

[restive river]

Oooh yeah

[pliant flame]

I have a question. Lotus said all tenno were sleep in their pods and she hid them all in the Resevor and hid the moon in the Void. We came to know about Rell who was also a tenno but he was cast out by margulis because he was different or something and didn't go to second dream. He was preventing The Indifference coming to our world. So who was the girl in the very first cut scene, the girl offering the the flowers. And disappear with some void energy traces and how she was outside the second dream. And where are the other tenno that we saw standing beside lotus in old war scene

[restive river]

Yeah, Duviri is born from an alt version of ourselves being so filled with high emotions and clinging onto a children’s book that the void took that and made the Duviri we see

[silk atlas]

It's supposed to be the Tenno in the intro. It was a cutscene made by a third party so it's kinda weird. Other Tenno are probably doing other Tenno things.

[terse vector]

Alright guys tysm for the help
Imma go watch playthrough to see everything I missed

[restive river]

1999 is just a timeloop of the real past where we do make actual changes, though they’re small so no butterfly effect here

[ashen pulsar]

The void likes copying things lol

[restive river]

Have fun!
Check out the lore pc in the labs and albrecht’s encounter with Wally in-game!

[terse vector]

Gentlemen I have a theory
brings out the storybook of jjba

[ashen pulsar]

Are you trying to trick the void into making a jojo reference

[restive river]

Yeah kinda?
I wouldn’t say the tunnel between belric and rania is it copying anything, it more “feeds” off of emotions and does things in response

[terse vector]

https://tenor.com/view/muhehehehehe-evil-laugh-evil-evil-smile-cat-gif-5649987450226411254

[restive river]

Wally himself is a sort of reflection of how Albrecht saw himself in that moment tho
And Duviri is born from Drifter’s mind and emotions and thus is influenced by them

[graceful swan]

Void is nothing until somebody decides to use their legs and go into the Void

[ashen pulsar]

True dat

[restive river]

Twas literally nothing til old Al fell in and BOOM funny wall guy lost his fingy and the void is full of convenient useful energies

[ashen pulsar]

Why does Wally never take the form of the drifter?

[graceful swan]

Because that requires creating new animations accounting for a very specific thing

[ashen pulsar]

Oh, it’s not a specific lore reason

[graceful swan]

Well Wally did only recently meet Drifter as a person with Void powers as an adult before that Wally only saw Drifter like 1000 years ago void powerless

[ashen pulsar]

I mean, at one point, our operator and drifter looked the same, right?

[graceful swan]

They do unless you changed it

[ashen pulsar]

Before eternalism caused them to branch into different versions

[silk atlas]

They're the exact same person background-wise until the handshake with Wally, yes

[ashen pulsar]

So he could just be copying the kid he made the deal with, before there was even the concept of operator or drifter

[graceful swan]

Both were the kid when they made the deal

Wally didn't see Drifter for like 1000 years

[restive river]

Or it could be

Wally takes the form of whomever he’s speaking to basically
Minus the Drifter

He did it with the Operator
He did it with Albrecht’s different appearances
He did it with Yonta
He did it with Baro
But not Drifter, not in the same way as everyone else

[graceful swan]

I mean
Drifter was a kid when they made the deal and Wally hasn't seen them for 1000 years not a lot to work with

Wally could also be doing it to mock Drifter

[restive river]

Okay but Wally also first appeared to Albrecht when he was blue and now takes his swanky 1999 look instead

[restive river]

This is the most logical answer tbh

[terse vector]

@old dome

Finished the video bro it cleared up so much

So a. Entrati was the main guy behind all this

Dang, I didn't think that much of him

However still some more questions hehe

• wally. Why is he there? Like was he in the void?- where did bro come from? And why was he just messing with a. Entrati? Still confused on his whole lore
• the in game quests got cleared as well but uh that part where Ballas is in control, then Era came to rule then Ballas again? Kinda confused there..

[hexed oxide]

we have 0 idea what wally really wants, as far as we know he wants to mess with us and make us suffer

[terse vector]

Make us safer?

Huh..

[hexed oxide]

brain fart, suffer*

[terse vector]

😭

Why did entrati decide to mess with the void? How did he even find it

[hexed oxide]

he had a theory about the void's existence, the orokin were doubtful of this and lost interest in it and albrecht. at his wit's end, albrecht volunteered himself to voyage beyond the "wall between worlds" (wall of lohk) and basically used a void diving bell to go inside

[woven coyote]

Frustrated scientist wanting to prove he was right

[pallid spoke]

The Void was nothing until the first expedition into it. Wally was created by Albretch's fear, because the Void reacts to emotion. It's weird, this whole concept known as Conceptual Embodyment.

[woven coyote]

*may have been created by albrechts fear, even in universe it is still a maybe

[pallid spoke]

Oh, I thought it was definitive.

[woven coyote]

Only in game source that is sure of it, is the personification of fear and paranoia

The other, being abrecht's pc, states a maybe on that

Like sythel associates everything to fear, so that's why i feel it might not just be "albrecht's fear"

[hexed oxide]

i always forget the courtiers names, sythel is the sorrowful soprano right ? the one who sings at that amphitheater ?

[woven coyote]

It is clear that wally as we know him is albrecht's fault, even if he just brought it's attention to the origin system.

But i am still skeptical of trusting when sythel says something is because of fear

[woven coyote]

The fear one

The singer is luscinia iirc

[pallid spoke]

So like, pretty much all we know about Wally is that he has beef with Entrati for cutting off his finger, and he has beef with the Tenno because we haven't fulfilled whatever our end of the deal is?

[hexed oxide]

as far as we know right now yeah

[woven coyote]

Yup

[old dome]

kinda, yeah... by accident bc an eldritch horror got obsessed w him (my personal interpretation) 😭😭😭

[terse vector]

@old dome

Can I dm you on what I understood because the text is pretty long and it seems very rude of me to just bomb this channel with it

[pallid spoke]

And well, on top of that the Tenno are now interfering with him and Entrati.

So he probably double hates us.

[hexed oxide]

"marah lohk...fass vome, netra..."

[terse vector]

@old dome sorry for pinging :<

[hexed oxide]

• pings again *

[woven coyote]

Just post here at this point lol

[terse vector]

It's breaking the discord chat limit

[old dome]

im currently watching a chinese variety show, sorry. but tbh?? you can just send it here for everyone else to answer bc they understand things better than i do (i get corrected all the time here)

yap away!! its what the channel is for!

[terse vector]

Mb

[terse vector]

🫡

[hexed oxide]

chop it and send in parts ?

[old dome]

just send it in paragraphs

[woven coyote]

We do correct eachother all the time, it's what i like about this chat personally

[hexed oxide]

https://tenor.com/view/yapping-yapping-level-today-catastrophic-yapanese-gif-13513208407930173397

[woven coyote]

I trust that if i missremember someone will call me out on it

[terse vector]

Like this is my understanding (talking from the video I watched)
A. Entrati was tinkering with the void and space travel and time travel all that. And at some point he met wally. From there wally use to mess with him and make him suffer for fun.
But due to entrati being concerned for loid, he kept time traveling so that he couldn't be followed.
Meanwhile his space travel got to us Humans and we used to conquer planets. The orokin then got developed as the higher class of humanity.
Then after the origin system was fully explored, the orokin decided to send zariman ten 0 to void jump to tau (another system) where the void jump due to it being only one jump, failed.
There the parents went mad due to the void affecting them while the children had no issue with it (why tho)
There wally appears once more to help the kids and give them void powers..? (Again why)
Then the old war happens where the sentients were basically created to replace the zariman but they turned on the orokin cuz they gained sentience. They were made weak to void powers however.
Then the zariman showed up and the orokin were quick to find it and explore what happened
They saw no adults and the children with uncontrollable void powers which led them to be studied by margulis
But the orokin weren't treated the kids properly so margulis stood against them which led her to get killed.
Then the sentients were now faced by warframes controlled by the tenno, who were kids dreaming that they were warframes.
Ballas her lover was mad and decided to help the enemy of the orokin, and went to the sentients leader Hunhow. To tell him about the weakness of the tenno which the was cryopod. That they slept in.
Hunhow then appointed natah to take care of that. However natah also turned on them and then took place of the margulis.
Then the tenno for some reason decided to turn on the orokin and killed many that the orokin empire couldn't build back.

There a low guardian aka the stalker saw this and hated the tenno (y does he look like an evil counter part of Excalibur)

Ahem...

[hexed oxide]

albrecht wasn't messing with time travel, yet

[terse vector]

💣

[hexed oxide]

wait

[woven coyote]

Or space travel for that matter, big thing at first was even proving the void was real

[hexed oxide]

yeah, first that, long time after he gets into time travel to draw wally away from loid

[terse vector]

Ok did entrati come first or orokin?

[woven coyote]

Orokin

[terse vector]

Really?

[woven coyote]

Alrbecht was orokin

And so are his family

[terse vector]

Damn how did I miss that

[glacial bough]

Well no, that was actually part of his purpose

[hexed oxide]

the zariman voyage to tau was bc they were depleting the origin system's resources, and iirc the kids in the old war were conscious

they turned on the orokin bc they were like, the worst type of people to ever exist basically

[woven coyote]

Bad construction on my part
Was supposed to be read together with niko's "wasnt messing with time travel yet"
As in albrecht wasnt messing with time or space travel yet because he had yet to prove the void was real

[terse vector]

iirc?

[hexed oxide]

if i remember correctly

[woven coyote]

If i recall correctly

[terse vector]

O

Got it

And then after that then we get to play >:D

[hexed oxide]

imagine you're a kid soldier, made to pilot people turned almost mindless war machines, meanwhile the people who put you in that position enforce a strict caste system to keep anything below them subjugated

[glacial bough]

That's what I was responding too. Time travel no, space travel, yes. Part of his research was based in solving the Orokin needing to expand out and up

[woven coyote]

My understanding is that to start building space travel tech he would need to prove the void was real and find how to harness it first

[hexed oxide]

the orokin must have had space travel by then, probably just needed to make it faster and farther

[terse vector]

I understand all that
Like the lotus tries to awaken remaining tenno and their frames to save them from the uprising of the grineir to power. Then we escape. Then we do quests until we start to mess around the lotus past where we Then get tto know all about the old war and then Ballas and natah. Then that entire thing happens.
Then finally we do quests which we then get to know about entrati from

So basically we got to know the entire past of warframe from the quests? Then whatever quests we just did was literally just the game teaching us about it's past?

So is there anything in the quest that happens in our present? Other then the new war..

[hexed oxide]

kind of, there is things we still have no clue about, like the night of the naga drums

[terse vector]

Also the 2nd question here..

[glacial bough]

Every quest happens in the present

[terse vector]

Yeah but it's reason are from the past

Scratch this, idk where I'm going with this^

[glacial bough]

They explain the past, yes. Still are current events

[hexed oxide]

duviri also happens in the present, kind of

[woven coyote]

Ballas was pretty much always in control, he was just playing the long gaslight game alongside erra and against natah/lotus

[terse vector]

Anyways @old dome (sorry for ping promise last) tysm for sending me that guy's video. I've been looking for a yt who explains this properly.
The accent of his is quite confusing however but Idm.
And ty all for clearing my doubts

Imma catch up all on what I dont know because I want to know why I committed mass genocides in each mission._. No matter the objective

[hexed oxide]

you needed argon, no more reason needed

[terse vector]

Ar who now

Argon crystal?

[hexed oxide]

yeah, im joking

[strange spindle]

are warframes still people if you are 3d printing them

or are only certain ones people now

[hexed oxide]

the ones we make are like 0.0000000000001% people. the older ones were people turned warframes

[woven coyote]

We are creating 1:1 copies that still have enough memory in them to recreate ticks (we know them as the noble or agile stances)

Pretty much people imo

[strange spindle]

so is xaku 3 different people? are there enough memories of them

[hexed oxide]

no, xaku were frames that got lost in the void

also, im taking it from drifter's kim chats, like here. i don't believe current frames are people

[silk atlas]

All we know about Xaku is from how you get them and their Codex. That is to say, there's absolutely nothing about them that's any more than info that applies to every other Warframe, like above.

[strange spindle]

ok

[restive river]

Most we have on Xaku is
They’re a composite of 3 frames that were lost on entrati void expeditions, it’s unknown how they came together though they do have a mastery of the void

They are 3 as 1
Like how Lotus is after the New War

3 minds
1 body
A composite

Though in Xaku’s case it’s 3 minds from individual pieces from 3 bodies that came together to become the composite
Lotus’ situation is more so multiple personalities
Both are still 3 as 1 ofc

[restive river]

We make them 1:1
source: the fact Umbra has his memories intact and all we scanned were bits nd pieces

Like we both have really good 3D printers AND really good scanners
The foundry can absolutely use infested flesh to construct memories and a brain if that was part of the design

It’s why the Jade we make technically is pregnant still
Though I do think that the foundry installs. Something, likely the transference bolt which makes them inert (Kullervo, Dante, Jade)
Umbra being special specifically cause he has a specialized bolt

[strange turtle]

All frames have Transference Bolts, Umbra’s being made to keep the memory is what let Ordis know something was up with it, though he didn’t know it had anything to do with that

[restive river]

I doubt the gen 1 frames had transference bolts since y’know
Transference wasn’t a thing yet :p

So that would include Kullervo, Dante, possibly Jade and Stalker
Ofc the tenno can use transference on things without bolts too

[strange turtle]

Ah, yeah, I just meant like the ones we make with blueprints

[restive river]

Oh ye

It’s not confirmed but I do think the foundry installs the bolts to the gen 1 frames we find

[normal mountain]

Jade had an Operator at one point
It's entirely possible she had a bolt too
(Of course, since she put her Op to sleep and fought on her own, I'm not entirely sure about that)

[restive river]

True, she may have had a bolt installed

Kullervo and Dante though
And maybe Dagath

[ashen pulsar]

Dagath wasn’t built for fighting tho, right?

[restive river]

I mean
She’s a Warframe

They’re all built for fighting

[sage moat]

dagath, the first ever peaceframe

[lilac aspen]

Dagath was also a Dax before being a frame so even if she wasn’t made to fight

She’s still a Dax that was turned into a super-er soldier basically

[sage moat]

we need a peaceframe. once we have warframe and peaceframe we can move on to the prideframe and the prejudiceframe

[lilac aspen]

It’s like looking at a Bulldozer
Sure it wasn’t made and intended for combat

But it’s still a Bulldozer

[sage moat]

(umbra is the prejudiceframe. qorvex is the prideframe)

[restive river]

Baruuk:

[sage moat]

finally

Warframe and Peaceframe
and
Prideframe and Prejudiceframe

[restive river]

[lilac aspen]

Okay but what about a Frameframe and a Warwar

Framewar, even

[tall echo]

(Inaros is honorary prideframe since he's apparently qorvex's bf now)

[restive river]

WAIT REALLY

CONCRETE AND SAND BOY?? :O

[tall echo]

That was kinda a huge joke a few streams back

[restive river]

Totally canon

[ashen pulsar]

Lmao

[tall echo]

The joke was that they shower together bc the sand smoothes the concrete iirc

[normal mountain]

~Mister Sandman, send me a dream~
Inaros: sends images of Qorvex
...erm, okay

[tall echo]

Somehow the only song I associate with inaros is enter sandman

...I wonder if I can play it on shawzin

[normal mountain]

That's fine
Of the two, I've only heard Mister Sandman

And that's because of that one Golden Girls episode tbh

[tall echo]

Yeah I'm like a casual metal/rock fan and I know a lot of "older" stuff in that direction thanks to my music teacher

It's a pretty good song

[normal mountain]

I have a fairly wide pallet of music I like
Generally tho, I like the sillier stuff

[tall echo]

I like almost everything

Primarily in the general direction of rock tho

[normal mountain]

Side effect of living with my dad and his very dad jokes

[tall echo]

Also a lot of like chiptune and stuff bc of JSaB

[normal mountain]

I seem to have more attachments to specific artists than genres
such as Weird Al Yankovic

[tall echo]

Oh absolutely same, but the artists often fall into specific genres

[normal mountain]

although I must admit, I have yet to hear a ballad I didn't like

[tall echo]

Blues saraceno, shirobon, bear ghost to name a few

[normal mountain]

I... don't think I know any of those name

[tall echo]

So uhhhhhh wf lore amirite

[normal mountain]

Great lore
Amazing
10/10

[tall echo]

Fairly unknown, as are a lot of my favorites

[normal mountain]

Fair enough lol

[sage moat]

hey scrap no judgement if you know and listen anyway but bear ghost got embroiled in controversy a bit ago

[tall echo]

O no

Music is good but me no like controversy

[sage moat]

lead singer did some shady stuff with a minor i think? other band members made some callout post and i think split off. better to look it up yourself its been literal years since i looked in on it

it was bad enough for me to stop listening and i will forever miss Big Town Blanky Blaine's Rockabilly Barbeque but people have different tolerances for this stuff

anyway warframe lore

[tall echo]

Why can't famous people just be normal

[sage moat]

bear ghost isn't even famous

people sell out a dive bar once and a worm enters their brain

[tall echo]

True

Well that's gonna be annoying to filter out of my playlists

[sage moat]

sorry to break the news, i know it sucks to have to get rid of a fave artist when they get exposed for something

what are our leading theories on oraxia? anything i may not have seen?

we know she'll be in duviri and "went mad"
Do yall think she went mad like every other gen 1 went mad or did she go like, double mad

same as valkyr

[sage stratus]

what is this

[tall echo]

Check voruna leverian

[sage stratus]

what is this tho

[tall echo]

What specifically

[sage stratus]

does something happen if i bring voruna here

[hexed oxide]

her heads glow

and those too iirc

[woven coyote]

In short it is the room where the events described in her leverian happen

[swift steppe]

idk if its lore but why did we never get kahl mission but corpus

wait we did get that wtf am i talking about

okay, why did we get kind of "endgame" kahl missions (grineer etc) but nothing w the corpus dude

he was pretty chill

[tall echo]

Because he died

[swift steppe]

WHAT

[tall echo]

The ship he was on literally blew up

[swift steppe]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

HE WAS SO CHILL

I ACTUALLY FORGOT ABOUT THAT NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

will we get another kahl mission but corpus

i hope so

[tall echo]

Unlikely

[swift steppe]

😦

i liked those missions

whatever skill issue i guess

[sage moat]

most people dont like kahl missions

they're kinda another example of a trend with DE where they make something mid and then never polish it because they have to keep making new content

the only way we're getting reworks to kahl missions or, my personal hope, open worlds is if they introduce a bunch of new content too

[tall echo]

The missions are good, the issue is that there's only three and the gameplay is very different from regular wf, which 90% of the community is allergic to

[sage moat]

yeah

[tall echo]

Remember all the people getting stuck on tnw because the drifter parts actually need some skill

[feral cape]

Skill and warframe players dont mix

[tall echo]

Yeh

[sage moat]

this is because warframe doesn't leave much room for skill expression

[tall echo]

I'm glad that I'm a souls player

[feral cape]

I mean thats partially the player bases fault alot of people whine when something is difficult and de makes it easier as a result

[sage moat]

the gameplay of someone whose played for 9 months and someone whose played for 12 years is not going to look that different. either way the shooting is essentially point and click and the survival methods sum up to either "take it" or "do something so you can take it"

[feral cape]

Archons damage attenuation got reworked because people didn't like it and it ruined the ability to one shot the archons forcing you to actually play with the god awful damage attenuation mechanics

[tall echo]

...and a mh player actually, those games teach utilizing very short dodge roll frames much better

[feral cape]

I play remnant 2

[sage moat]

im happy with the coda, if i was DE i would spend a lot of time reworking old systems though. if instead of isleweaver, we got an adversary system rework this month to make liches and sisters play more with skill based dodging and transference and less with "shoot them till they're dead" it would result in an overall better (if less profitable) game

[feral cape]

Its a pretty fun soulslike

[tall echo]

Hmmmm

[tall echo]

On steam is it?

[feral cape]

Huh?

Yoda?

[tall echo]

Yes

[feral cape]

Probably

Its a soulslike with guns

[tall echo]

So it's like that one forgotten older fromsoft game

[feral cape]

Ig

[proper barn]

i mean idk if adversary systems make them money. lmao. Like the coda probably make them just as much as any of the other ones.

[feral cape]

Honestly de just needs to add mechanics to content

[proper barn]

and Coda is the best one

like in every way i agree.

[sage moat]

if i was a billionaire i would buy DE and give them more money. im not a game dev they're making it better than i could but i would gently nudge them to hey maybe don't abandon everything

[tall echo]

The murmur gathering for liches and sisters should at least get made a bit faster, like needing less enemies overall to learn the requiems

[feral cape]

Like honestly I'd rather de abandon the murmer system all together for lichs and sisters

The duality of man

[tall echo]

Could make it work like codas

[feral cape]

And instead make the fight longer

No just remove all the pre fight stuff all together

You get the lich and its an instant face off

[tall echo]

Also turn down the damage in the confrontation like damn

[feral cape]

Instead you have to uncover the lichs code during the fight

You can do this and I know this is gonna be insane by working together

During the fight doors will open leading to grineer/corpus vaults these vaults will each contain a symbol this symbol will correlate with another symbol in the arena a player in the arena must step on the symbol in order to drop the lich and perform a stab dropping the lichs health by a 1/3rd do this 3 times and lich is dead

[sage moat]

i want adversaries to remain this chase where you're defeating them and forcing them to run to different planets until they're cornered on a spaceship and you get to finish them.
I think that's cool.
I might even recommend making it longer

[plush phoenix]

yeah this sounds like it would not be easy to explain to new players

[sage moat]

well in their defense, the current system isn't too easy to explain either

[plush phoenix]

no but at least it doesn't allow people to sabotage progress on others' liches

[sage moat]

i really think in general the system is fine, what i'd change is the fights. make them last longer

[tall echo]

That seems. Extremely tedious and unnecessarily slow

[sage moat]

warframe...

[proper barn]

oh that's not what i would do at all.

[hexed oxide]

we should get rid of liches and make the weapon bp's acquirable from the respective dojo lab

[proper barn]

i would tie them to open worlds where they factions are enemies. and streamline the Requimes like Coda. @sage moat like that's the best thing about the Coda is they feed into a exist system.

[proper barn]

no Coda is one of the best ways to get standing in 1999.

[sage moat]

oh i can 100% get behind attaching them to the open worlds, only issue is the coda

[proper barn]

the coda already is

i count it.

[sage moat]

i might count it

[proper barn]

I want the other 2 to just be the coda again but for their factions.

[sage moat]

well for entrati labs im fine with that but for the zariman... what faction would it be attached to?

i supposed you could attach it to the orokin/corrupted, since its the void, but the orokin/corrupted don't often show up on the zariman

[proper barn]

none it's already great.

it's the best hub in the game.

this would litearlly be to just make Cetus and Fortuna better

the worst open worlds in the game.

[sage moat]

hey hey hey

don't overhype deimos. i say this as a lover of deimos

[proper barn]

Diemos has the best bounties in the game and is the main place to get golden stars.

also the best place to get aya.

But yeah It would just be add them more to fortuna and Cetus. (sisters and liches) respectuflly

and keep coda where they are.

the coda also have a good boss fight in RJ make the other ones closer to that. @sage moat

[sage moat]

i almost agree but i can't bring myself to do it

because the coda not being tied to the infested open world when the other two systems are would drive me insane

[proper barn]

I LOVE THE CODA FIGHT in the RJ.

[sage moat]

it is great yes

i thought it was overtuned at first, then i got good

[proper barn]

i already like RJ and this one feels the most like it

actually needs to be in RJ and uses it correctly.

[proper barn]

you need to let that go.

[sage moat]

trying to think rationally, would that be a good improvement to the game?
I think yes

[proper barn]

what part?

cuz i think my idea is best cuz Coda need to be in 1999.

[viscid scroll]

Do you think there will be non coda kuva liches for the infested