lore-discussion

[brittle siren]

and that sound lame then isn't it

[graceful swan]

Not everyone can because many outside of places we visit to help see frames as myths

[brittle siren]

I mean we go into the plain alone and the adult prob too busy handling other stuff to noticed, and even if they did, they really have no knowledge of warframe to know that is the Revenant

[graceful swan]

We can go to Cetus as Rev

Seeing is believing

[brittle siren]

but they didn't know that

I doubt they know any frame beside pre-eidolon Rev, Gara and Koumei

and even pre-eidolon Rev has no info whatsoever, making him more obscure to any public eyes

even Koumei get a statue and Gara have arts of herself

[hollow siren]

I almost imagine it like The Warden was Primed, but got "eroded" by his long soak in Eidolon energy, and Revenant Prime is like a "what if" of The Warden's Primed body but with The Revenant's Eidolon powers

brought into being by The Unum

[brittle siren]

make sense but you have to consider that the "reer" in his belly is byproduct after he fused with Eidolon energy

[hollow siren]

yeah true, might be a slightly altered form of The Warden to accomodate that, but the main narrative of it still stands

[brittle siren]

and I doubt the fiery arm is part of the Warden design

[hollow siren]

yeah the energy stuff is from the Eidolon infusion

OG Warden would possibly be just an energy-less slightly beefier Rev Prime

[brittle siren]

also apparently, the "Revenant" name is from Ballas, so he named that on Revenant before he get suck into the eidolon lake

[strange plinth]

hmm
was revenant named after revenant prime or was he individually named..

[hollow siren]

yeah it's hard to say how much of Rev's powers are from the Eidolon and how much were part of him beforehand

[graceful swan]

Revenant was named Revenant after the dip

[brittle siren]

but Ballas also called Revenant Prime... Revenant

[hollow siren]

That Warframes was just called "The Warden" before that

[hollow siren]

I feel that's mostly to fit the trailer

[brittle siren]

so the name already exist before he even become Revenant

[brittle siren]

I doubt it

"This shadow of ill omen. This grim harbinger. This... Revenant."

[graceful swan]

Because that’s what you do when you get a Prime version of the frame that you knew took a dip show up in your room

[brittle siren]

I thought Revenant is post-Orokin fall?

[strange plinth]

i mean, its definitely to fit the trailer, but we can't discard that from lore if we take the rest as canon

[brittle siren]

also Ballas absolutely don't know Revenant until his Prime appear

[hollow siren]

That could very well just be him calling Rev a revenant, and it happens to fits narratively with the frame's name being said for the trailer

[brittle siren]

to be fair, every trailer he always said the name of the frame, so I don't think saying "it fit" is a excuse though

[brittle siren]

still, that was the first time someone called him with that word

[graceful swan]

It doesn’t matter if it’s pre or post if you see the frame that you called Revenant show up Primed in your room you call it Revenant

[brittle siren]

are you telling me the "warden" was named Revenant?

[graceful swan]

Yes

[brittle siren]

like pre-eidolon one

[brittle siren]

where is this even said?

[graceful swan]

After he took a dip and got the energy he was renamed

[brittle siren]

again, he take a dip AFTER Orokin has fallen

and Ballas is clueless about the event that the warden take a dip

and there also no reason for the warden have the name "Revenant" when he not even "dead"

[hollow siren]

Yeah the Eidolon Sentient was one of the last stragglers following The Old War

and The Warden's dip happened way after that

Revenant was actually named that by Nakak, pretty much

[brittle siren]

timeline is this: Ballas saw Rev Prime in Naberus during Old War -> the Warden was made and sent to Earth to protect Unum tower -> he dip into the lake -> become Revenant long after that

[hollow siren]

"The lost one is reborn, made Revenant."

[brittle siren]

also is her dream from Unum influence?

[hollow siren]

yes

Rev Prime's accessories also state the Unum is directly involved with him

[lean garden]

oh they do now?

I didnt have the money then for the PA

[strange plinth]

oh yeah huh. vetala prime armor description
"Revenant Prime's signature armor invokes the Unum's grace."

[brittle siren]

yeah that pretty much confirmed Unum did this

[hollow siren]

If anyone would be instantly aware that the Eidolon Sentient would rise again it'd be her

[strange turtle]

I figured they got a crash course from Aoi

[brittle siren]

so Rev, Xaku and Lavos is the only Prime that not made by Ballas

(not counting the base frame)

[hollow siren]

Seems like it, yeah

[strange plinth]

presumably drifter didn't make their KIM account themselves, so someone had to
n i feel like albrecht wouldn't have one lol

[brittle siren]

I wonder if it like you said, Rev Prime is the past version of Rev and Rev is literally degrade from his prime form

[hollow siren]

That would make sense, similar to how Sevagoth looks like a mummified corpse of Sevagoth Prime

Eroded by the Void

[lean garden]

eh?

Rev prime wouldnt have degraded into Rev base in the pond

especially since the Warden, who is not rev, existed

[graceful swan]

You don’t think Albrecht would have an account ready for his chosen operator?

[brittle siren]

We don't really know what warframe is the warden + the story was made before his prime, so if DE make the Rev Prime is the Warden, it not really *that * of a reach

but still I do agree it does not make some sense

[lean garden]

I mean it would be a very big stretch since a major difference is that rev is infused with eidolon energy and warden is not

[brittle siren]

like how a Eidolon frame turn into a weaker eidolon frame after dipping into the lake

[brittle siren]

yeah that the only thing debunk this theory tbh

though I think the Warden was a remodelled warframe made by Ballas inspired from Rev Prime

[graceful swan]

Warden was made by Ballas
Rev is what he became

[hollow siren]

@lean garden

[graceful swan]

Warden stopped being the name when he became Revenant

[hollow siren]

yes, when did I ever say the Warden was named Revenant

[brittle siren]

No you misunderstood
Probably after seeing Rev Prime, he made the Warden frame with the Rev Prime appearance (not exact 1 to 1)

[graceful swan]

Warden is Revenant

[brittle siren]

I was talking about the appearance

[hollow siren]

The Warden's body looked like Rev Prime's does, but Revenant Prime is a reimagined form where The Warden's stronger, still-Primed body has the Eidolon energies he would be eroded and infused by in the future

[tribal cape]

It might not be very accurate in terms of abilities, but I'd love a deluxe Revenant skin which would be the Warden, before it was infused with Eidolon energy

[brittle siren]

I think Ballas terminated Rev Prime after seeing him, but grow interested so he would make a frame base on what he saw, aka Warden

[brittle siren]

yeah (I hope it look dope)

[hollow siren]

would be like Valkyr Gersemi

[brittle siren]

Rev skin atm look so 1 color: rear on belly and fire arm

beside deluxe ofc

[lean garden]

I see where youre getting at

but even then I am highly skeptical of any notion of prime degradation

Even sevagoth's "degradation" had little to do with narrative and had more to do with the dev's conceptualising process

[hollow siren]

I doubt they're already planned for the Prime when they release a frame, so I feel this is the best we can get in most cases

[woven coral]

i don't understand, i'm watching a friend doing the new war for the first time and her drifter is male with totally different features compared to her operator which is female, why would they do that, it defeats the whole purpose of the revelation

[lean garden]

Looks like her drifter defaulted to base drifter look

let me guess, droopy black hair

[graceful swan]

Didn’t they fix that bug years ago

[humble sierra]

Did she already do Duviri?

[woven coral]

yes

but she has no idea who the drifter is from duviri, she doesn't know it's her character

but now it's a completely different character, dark skin and white hair, idk why they would do that, what's the point of even doing the quest atp whenever they're literally not the same

[lean garden]

dark skin? white hair?

thats a whole new bug lol

[graceful swan]

Or maybe they just wanted to make them distinct from each other

[lean garden]

shouldnt be the case

[woven coral]

yeah but why would DE want to do that since they want them to be the same character

[graceful swan]

Player choice not DE choice

Like if you do Duviri first

[hollow siren]

Duviri should still be moved to later on imo., and that's on DE

[graceful swan]

Yeah

Move it closer to TNW at least

[verbal dock]

So guys

Is Baro Ki'Teer a time traveller?

I'm asking cause he takes orokin ducats

Like what does he need them for?

Who's he gonna trade them to unless he goes back in time lol

[lean garden]

no

[verbal dock]

Then what does he need the ducats for?

And where in the void does he even get his loot xd

I bet we've been there more than him lol

[lean garden]

why does Uncle Scrooge from ducktales need gold coins for?

they use fiat currency already

[humble sierra]

They may have some purpose outside of buying things

like the very material itself could hold value

rather than just symbolic

[verbal dock]

Maybe

[humble sierra]

It's a crafting material for the Paracesis

[verbal dock]

Oh right

[graceful swan]

Loots Orokin Towers

You can even help him loot a tower

[verbal dock]

Is that the special thingy I heard Inaros prime can do?

[graceful swan]

Yes

[verbal dock]

I want one now 🥲

[hollow siren]

The Duviri Paradox and main Duviri should be behind TNW, but Circuit can be like behind War Within, just make them be Operator in the cave

[hollow siren]

gives a special armor set and a unique Inaros helmet

[tall echo]

Get farmin

Obtain the sandman

[hollow siren]

he is sadly Vaulted and not in Resurgence for a while

[verbal dock]

I just bought his helmet from nora

[hollow siren]

the Void Raider helmet is unique

Can't be gotten anywhere else

[tall echo]

We have very different interpretations

[verbal dock]

So yeah I got the pharaoh helmet and now I'm waiting to get inaros prime 😂

[hollow siren]

Inaros Osiris Helmet

[verbal dock]

I got the other one

[hollow siren]

yeah this one is the one from the Void Raider mission

[tall echo]

You can't get the baro helmet any other way

[verbal dock]

Got u

Ngl it doesn't look better than the Nora one

[hollow siren]

you get this helmet on I think the fifth Void Raider mission you complete

[verbal dock]

Now we wait till DE unvault him

[hollow siren]

1st one is the Sand Skate Specter Blueprint, 2nd-4th is the Elixis Latron armor set, 5th is the Inaros Osiris Helmet

[hollow siren]

Unvaulting isn't a thing anymore

Prime Resurgence replaced it

[verbal dock]

So now we wait till DE resurge him ig lol

They still Vault primes tho right?

[hollow siren]

yes, they get vaulted as new ones release

Wisp Prime and her stuff got vaulted with Yareli Prime's release

next to be vaulted is Grendel Prime

[viscid scroll]

Memento vault...

[chrome rivet]

Im rather disappointed there's no conversation regarding Drifter's interaction with Kullervo

I mean, Kully has been in Duviri for a long time probably

Yet no Kim Chat talking about him, no Drifter special talks about him, nothing

[brittle siren]

I mean
No one ask about him

[chrome rivet]

I mean, someone like Arthur who's very interested with Duviri could ask about that one Warframe that has dozens of knives stabbed into em

There's also Eleanor who can brain scan

[normal mountain]

I believe there's supposed to be new chats coming
One could always hope Kullervo comes up

[warm ingot]

Maybe a stupid question, but why is Wally called "The Indifference" if it clearly does seem to care about its fingers, Albrecht, and the Kiddo(s)?

[graceful swan]

Indifferent doesn’t mean 0 emotion at all don’t care about anything in the world

[hollow siren]

That's a current plot point, actually.
Indifference: "None of this matters, you know?"
Drifter: "Then why are you trying so hard to stop me!?"

[hexed oxide]

The way eleanor talked about it seems more fitting

"A being that felt such utter disregard for me that i simply wanted to stop existing"

[tall echo]

How would he know that we have kullervo from there?

[hollow siren]

Same way Quincy asks about Incarnons

[tall echo]

Not really

[silk atlas]

Don't we mention the Incarnons to him when he talks about fancy guns?

[graceful swan]

Yes

[silk atlas]

Like, he doesn't know about them unt- yeah figured.

[graceful swan]

He asks us what they are we have to narrow it down

[hollow siren]

He asks about what those glowy guns that go sshhhwooosh are

Arthur could ask "What's with the knifed bloke?"

[graceful swan]

Could be Eleanor reading our mind and seeing our fight with him then asking who he is

[tall echo]

But why? A warframe with knife abilities isn't as weird as transforming guns

[restive river]

guns that eat people
and robots
and whatever the infested are

[tribal cape]

I think Grendel is actually the weirdest Warframe, just eating enemies for lunch

[graceful swan]

They wanted a monster
They got a monster

[hexed oxide]

they said his warframes were too genteel

[hollow siren]

Said warframe has fifteen flying knives stabbed into him

[tall echo]

Which are used for his abilities

[hollow siren]

yeah, it's not really a typical way to store daggers

[sly ibex]

Only 15? Caesar says those are rookie numbers.

[strange turtle]

Caesar’s better than Kullervo all around. Much more successful in life, and where Kullervo is brought back over and over and tormented by the voice of the one he loved, Caesar died surrounded by his friends and coworkers

[hexed oxide]

wasn't he backstabbed (literally) by those friends and coworkers ?

[tall echo]

That's the joke

[graceful swan]

https://tenor.com/view/thats-the-joke-ranier-wolfcastle-mc-bain-the-simpsons-stand-up-comedy-gif-4372917

[strange turtle]

Bah. Details

[humble sierra]

Kullervo doesn't have a dressing named after him

[heady quest]

can't believe DE doesn't know corpus lore

[proper barn]

What?

[brittle siren]

sound like ragebait

[restive river]

Elaborate

[sage stratus]

wait a second, if according to Kaya when u ask them for the first time about temporal arcamedia, doesnt Protea constantly rewind screw with the timeline

[brittle siren]

no since Protea only rewind herself

[sage stratus]

that sounds even worse

[brittle siren]

and for Parvos, she make a pocket bubble protect him

[sage stratus]

you would be making energy from nothing when u rewind

[brittle siren]

wdym even worse? you just rewind only for seconds, not the whole year

[brittle siren]

Gauss:

[sage stratus]

gauss's battery is powered probably by motors in his legs that convert motion of running into small amounts of power

[brittle siren]

also we are talking about flesh armor using void energy to do some demi godlike shit

[sage stratus]

WHICH IS PROBABLY WHY IT EATS THROUGH POWER

[humble sierra]

Wisp makes a portal to the sun or something

[brittle siren]

and Limbo can walk within dimension
idk why rewind time is a problem to him

[humble sierra]

I feel like sources of energy in Warframe's abilities are probably safe

[brittle siren]

Protea time rewind is basically like this https://youtu.be/t4zs2jR_1hs

[brittle siren]

iirc, all warframe use Heart of Deimos to be able to work properly?

so basically they just borrowing void power to use abilities

[humble sierra]

Yeah that sounds about right, since you're powered down when the Heart is damaged

[lilac aspen]

Unholy union of Void and Infestation

[proper barn]

And people

[old dome]

...wdym???

also i feel like applying irl physics to warframe would. not work at all...

itll just confuse you

[lilac aspen]

I always thought Protea didn’t rewind time itself
But her time only

Which is why she goes back to her place with whatever energy and health she had before her ability use and all that jazz

She doesn’t full on time travel, she simply just rewinds her body’s state

[feral cape]

She'd just be exceeding the speed of light temporally to rewind or some really really fancy origami with spacetime

[lilac aspen]

Which is why she doesn’t mess up any timeline stuff or all that complex jazz

[feral cape]

Or like a really really weird localized black hole

[lilac aspen]

Limbo meanwhile is wackier compared to Protea’s

He can full on space time leap and stuff but that has risks and requires more calculations, so his whole weird thing is basically partially jumping inbetween and just manipulating that zone to his whims.

Bro literally just going “Nuh Uh, time is frozen in here, I said so.”

Until he trips and rips himself apart because he forgot to carry the one, again.

[brittle siren]

Limbo required you to be smart to do beyond of what his current ability can do

[brittle siren]

nah his miscacluated

[lilac aspen]

Most Warframe backstories: A decent length story

Limbo: “I miscalculated.”

[brittle siren]

https://youtu.be/wWAD5SvyM1o

[lilac aspen]

Yes exactly that video

[brittle siren]

Warden/Revenant: da tentacles

Mirage: I laugh so hard that my WF code changed and annoy Ballas

[lilac aspen]

”I recognized the body in the water”

[brittle siren]

where is that quote come from btw

also, don't forget Chroma lore
"he is the strongest warframe"

also him: got mind control by the Sentient (?)

[lilac aspen]

SCP
An anomaly regarding bodies in the water and how you do not want to be able to recognize them or something

[humble sierra]

https://tenor.com/view/otto-octavius-spiderman-sam-raimi-tobey-maguire-peter-parker-gif-23378845

[brittle siren]

lmao
the footnote of that article keep telling me stuff

[fallow veldt]

I’m new to Warframe but I got an interesting question from a viewer and I wasn’t sure how to answer them. How many spartan 2s would it take to beat a frame, how well would a frame do in warhammer 40k, and how would a frame do against destiny characters?

[lilac aspen]

“Are you the strongest because you’re Chroma or are you Chroma because you’re the strongest?”

[lilac aspen]

[brittle siren]

Tbh does any of those worlds you mention can stand against a beam from the sun

[lilac aspen]

Well

[brittle siren]

if they can't, no

1 Wisp is enough

[lilac aspen]

40k stuff can get pretty ridiculous like Warframe

And I mean REALLY ridiculous

[fallow veldt]

I just got into warhammer in the last 2 weeks as well as Warframe so I’m not sure the extent of each universe.

[brittle siren]

But again
can they stand against a SOLAR BEAM

[fallow veldt]

I know the orcs are busted in warhammer I think they just gotta believe something

[lilac aspen]

Like
There’s a literal map of the entire universe that the Necrons can swipe a finger across and delete whatever is swiped over

They rarely use it because the obvious after effects of just casually deleting something from the universe is obvious

[lilac aspen]

The race before they became Orks were even stronger

Like literally Orks are the nerfed version of the race

[brittle siren]

same question: can they stand a sun beam

[lilac aspen]

Some can, yes

Some have things that kill suns

[brittle siren]

but again, that just one wisp

[lilac aspen]

40k would see Warframes as yet another problem stacked upon their other problems, to put how they’d react

“Oh, another strong group of Xenos.”

[brittle siren]

there are 61 types of warframe and more will be reveal

keywords: types

because there probably thousands amount of them

[lilac aspen]

Daemons would literally rip the Tenno out of them and force the Tenno to have to fight

[fallow veldt]

Is destiny going to be able to do anything in the fight or no?

[lilac aspen]

The Man in the Wall would essentially be another Chaos God

[fallow veldt]

Ok might be spoiling it for myself but why is everyone surprised to see that the player is a Tenno? Is there not thousands running around?

[lilac aspen]

I recalled a discussion with friends about this
We concluded “We have no idea how that’d go.”

[lilac aspen]

It’s rare to see them not using transference on their warframes

[brittle siren]

but, you forgot that some of the warframe genuinely so powerful that they could break time/space continuum

[swift sentinel]

If Grineer can take down Warframes, any fictional faction can, just be a matter of how many

[fallow veldt]

So technically Spartans from halo can take one down it would just be an insane amount of them?

[lilac aspen]

There’s literally an entire group of Necrons who use time manipulation as a method of combat and stuff

With pure science
No void magic help

[brittle siren]

you know that really just a minority, and wf are control by children
first gen are the headache to the Orokin too

[fallow veldt]

I remember reading something about psychers I think in warhammer

[lilac aspen]

Psykers are basically Tenno but have actual drawbacks to their magical powers

Tenno are essentially, in 40k terms, Daemons.

[brittle siren]

I just read one of the member of this species
how wrong am I is insane

[swift sentinel]

There's nothing that says the first batch of Warframes were significantly more or less powerful than the later ones , is there?

[brittle siren]

if just in general 40k would be on par with WF, but in techincal level, WF loses horribly

[lilac aspen]

Trayzn the Infinite when he sees all 61+ Warframes: “Fine additions to my collection.”

[brittle siren]

I'm saying, that those "defeated" warframe under hand of Grineer because they ambush and outsmart the warframe

[brittle siren]

so who is the strongest in this verse

[lilac aspen]

In my opinion WF doesn’t beat 40k
But 40k doesn’t erase them either

WF basically are fighting enemies that are on par with them

[brittle siren]

yeah same idea too

[lilac aspen]

In 40k?
That’s the neat part!

No one really knows

[swift sentinel]

Oh, I was just saying that Warframes can just be shot to death, given enough weight of fire.

[lilac aspen]

Like if you want to be technical
They all have flaws and perks and that’s what makes things hard to decide on who’s the “strongest”

[brittle siren]

that does not determine their power level

[lilac aspen]

Like sure, the Necrons have a map that lets them just demolish anything in the universe, but using it has severe negative after effects that it’s simply not worth it unless the other outcome is worse.

[fallow veldt]

Why don’t the necrons fight the bugs and wipe a faction out?

[lilac aspen]

Numbers

Tyranids endlessly keep coming
Necrons are no longer being made

[fallow veldt]

Also what’s the big deal about our operators? I just got mine and this dude blows he can’t do anything 😭

[lilac aspen]

They just “woke up” in their real body

Imagine waking up from a 5 year coma
Now imagine that coma being centuries long

[fallow veldt]

So what’s the point of him in my kit? He’s not quick and he’s not strong

[tall echo]

Continue the story

After tsd operator barely exists

[restive river]

Ahem.
The void:

[feral cape]

No they couldn't also greater daemon are beyond time space and even the mere notion of dimensionality

[feral cape]

40k? The god emperor of mankind

[brittle siren]

yeah I already realized that after some reading

[feral cape]

Like a wise man a while ago said in this channel warframe is the gojo of sci fi battle hoarding

[silk atlas]

You rang?

[brittle siren]

Imagine someone said Wally is stronger than Yog-Sothoth

that even worse than "Grendel can eat the universe"

[restive river]

“atlas punched apart a planet”

[lilac aspen]

Nah
Man is clearly cheating with that golden chair

Aura farming as a corpse

[lilac aspen]

I hate that comment
He punched a meteor apart
After taking a moment to find the right spot to punch it too, after having his golems punch some ground away to expose said right spot of the meteor.

[lilac aspen]

Alas
Grendel is but a cheap copy of the true potential of Kirby

[brittle siren]

And Gauss is a cheap copy of Flash/Sonic

[lilac aspen]

Flash can outrun instant teleportation of a god

Gauss isn’t even a cheap copy
Gauss is just a low tier speedster

He ain’t up there with the others but he definitely fast

Granted Gauss would be a great villain to Flash

His powers are kinetic manipulation based considering he can absorb kinetic energy and then emit it too. Meaning he could use this feature to slow Flash, like how captain cold can.

[brittle siren]

iirc Flash can time travel

and Sonic base speed beat Dr. Zoom in the comic (I don't remember what comic)

[lilac aspen]

Tbh though
Flash would clearly lose to the Zorin Copter

[brittle siren]

Funny that Lex Luthor tried to use krytonite (which actually is a green chaos emerald) on Knuckle in Superman form

[brittle siren]

who?

[lilac aspen]

Zorin is dual axes in Warframe
Before bullet jumping and when stamina was a thing,

Melee coptering was the tactic to gain speed

[feral cape]

Flash also outran speed and death

[lilac aspen]

Technically he didn’t outrun death but more so managed to keep his distance long enough to run into the future to the point death as a concept no longer existed.

[feral cape]

Thats still kind of insane

[feral cape]

But a minute fraction of the garbage I've seen

You ever see someone say duviri is infinite dimensional as in 1d 2d 3d 4d 5d...

[restive river]

What…

[feral cape]

The best way to see abysmal lore takes is power scaling right

And one big thing in power scaling is cosmology how big and how many dimensions a verse contains

[lean garden]

wait wait I can follow the train of their logic (or lack thereof)\

Duvuri contains fractal patterns in its terrain design

[feral cape]

Its an assumption that there's infinite layers of the Undercroft and that each layer is dimensionally superior to the last

[lean garden]

fractal patterns can sometimes go infinite in their repetition

[feral cape]

Bau whatever you're thinking is vastly different and far more logical

[lean garden]

Duviri is in a different dimension from reality

therefore duviri has infinite dimensions

[lean garden]

aw come on man

wheres the foundation

[feral cape]

Because uhhhh

You know the enemies get stronger

Also this somehow

This is proof for a change in dimensionality

[lean garden]

what the hell?

wheres the link??

[feral cape]

Yes

Couldn't tell you

[lean garden]

Please tell me that this person is still schooling and is in a specific country

[feral cape]

Probably

[lean garden]

otherwise I'm losing hope in the literacy of the world

[feral cape]

I know nothing other than this

He's friends with those people from way back when

But allas I see vastly different takes even the same base on information nobody can agree on some say atlases asteroid was the size of the moon others a planet one particular fellow said the solar system

[lean garden]

oh a gaussian huh

[lean garden]

and alas none of them bother to check the source material

[left oyster]

Whats she talking about?

[strange plinth]

Ghouls comic iirc
its one of the comics if not Ghouls
don't remember exact details unfortunately :/

[tall echo]

Just referencing a wf comic

[digital grail]

I forget this game had comics I should read em

[swift sentinel]

Most if not all are up on the official site

[digital grail]

Oh nice ill give em a read

[strange turtle]

Not even a salad either. Disgraceful

[brittle siren]

so what frame have lmao

[humble sierra]

Caesar does, that's who we were referring to

Was Kullervo confirmed to be based off Caesar? Because tbh all they have in common is a bunch of knives stuck in them

[lean garden]

lol, you would smack yourself if you found out what kullervo is based off

kullervo is based off kullervo

[brittle siren]

Technically, the dressing wasn't the name after the Ceasar in Greek

[brittle siren]

He looks hotter ingame ngl /j

Here the Ceasar was named after

[mossy zodiac]

So basically excalibur is umbra prime but with a different helmet

NO ugh

I meant umbra is excalibur prime

[lean garden]

essentially yes, except he has the spectre passive and doesnt trigger the prime passive with orbs in tower tiles

statwise identical

[digital grail]

And whatever is different about howl

[mossy zodiac]

Just the animation i believe

You actually howl

And animals by maroon 5 starts playing

[digital grail]

I know the animation and sound affect(Steve's howl) are what's different I just thought it also did something different

[mossy zodiac]

Nah it doesn't

[lean garden]

the anim is slower and it resets sentient adaptation

[digital grail]

Ah

[mossy zodiac]

Oh i forgor that

I just insta kill sentients so i never noticed

[digital grail]

So he just yells at sentients and they reset

https://tenor.com/view/running-ahh-aa-spongebob-meme-gif-19928154

[mossy zodiac]

He yells Get out!!! And the sentients get spooked so badly their adaptation disappears

[digital grail]

Bro jumpscares them

[mossy zodiac]

Let your inner alpha lone wolf playing umbra

[digital grail]

Lol

[strange turtle]

There are two wolves inside of you

One is a traumatised magical orphan

The other is also a traumatised magical orphan

[humble sierra]

Just smacked myself

You're some kind of prophet

[graceful swan]

Probably had a vision through the Void and warned you beforehand

[abstract girder]

hey guys, one thing that got me confused is: What are protoframes realy? are they like the beta versions of the warframes? Cause thats what i tough until i saw someone saying that they arent the early versions of the warframes, but actualy just a side version of them

[strange plinth]

albrecht took the helminth batches of existing warframes back to 1999 with him and injected the to-be protoframes with them

[graceful swan]

Read this

I went among the denizens of the plague year like a saviour, my hands filled with healing. To those who volunteered, I brought more than mere health. Their bodies were primed; it needed only the Helminth infusions, brought from my own time, to work the alchemy of transformation. They have become partial warframes, still in possession of their free will, yet enhanced, Void-attuned, capable.

Their humanity may not last. My deliverance may yet consume them, the human swallowed up in the sacred beast. And if my wayward disciples turn on me, what words of comfort shall I have beyond: this is the bargain we have made. Through our sacrifice, history will be saved.

As their loyal doctor, I have taken repeated samples from them. The sight of their Technocyte-riddled cells mutating gave me fresh visions. I could take this material, work with it, forge new creations. Eagerly I brought the samples back to Deimos and began to cultivate them.

[abstract girder]

soo, protoframes are just half baked warframes?

[graceful swan]

Warframes with full sentience

[strange plinth]

haven't fully transformed, for one reason or another, yeah

[abstract girder]

cause i was thinking protoframes were the original ones but ig i was wrong

i ttough that cause it happen in 1999

and then orokin saw them and tried to copy them

that was what i was thinking

[strange plinth]

too much time between 1999 and the orokin era for them to copy

[abstract girder]

thats why we have warframes and then prime ones

[abstract girder]

i mean, in my head makes sence

protoframes are still human, with time they refine the recipie and end up becoming full machine

but the way you guys just showed me

[graceful swan]

Albrecht made a misleading name for the type that's all

[abstract girder]

they are just one more

so we could have 2 protoframes excaliburs

[graceful swan]

If Albrecht wanted a second we could

[abstract girder]

WAIT

future story concept: someone gets the excalibur protoframe thingie and is evil

so we go good excalibur vs bad excalibur

insert epic metal gear montage

[digital grail]

We already have an "evil" excalibur

[mossy zodiac]

Hunhow: stalker, now i know why you can't kill the tenno.... you're not at your prime!!! Let me help you with that
Stalker prime is born

Absolute cinema

Now that you mention it
Revenant skin does look like argon crystal

[digital grail]

Stalker eats a void key

[mossy zodiac]

[mossy zodiac]

Warframes can eat?

Also what does the babyframe eat....

wait huh...

[abstract girder]

where do you think the argons go?

[mossy zodiac]

Ok but how do they go

[strange plinth]

that not-rhino in rhino prime's codex entry certainly could
based on what we see of umbra, they could probably be willed to,,
(outside of grendel because that's,, his whole thing)

[digital grail]

yes I mean wtf does grendal do

[mossy zodiac]

Well he does have somewhat of a mounth

But any other warframe doesn't

I mean some

Nidus could just mutate

I wonder if warframe can run out of energy(no i don't meant the ability one that's more like stamina)

[abstract girder]

just use zenurik

[mossy zodiac]

They are partially biological they need sustenance

[abstract girder]

and the story shows that yes, look at jade story

[mossy zodiac]

Poor jade ran out of fuel

Stalker forgor to bring some gasoline

[abstract girder]

i wonder what baby jade will be

will it be playble in 18 years?

[strange plinth]

heart of deimos seems to be supplying them with the void energy they need for sustenance

[mossy zodiac]

Prob will take assets from stalker and stalker

[abstract girder]

(or 21 if you american)

[mossy zodiac]

I mean jade

Jade and stalker
Sorry chat i slept twice in one day

[abstract girder]

so wait, if someone were to nuke deimos, would all warframes just stop working?

[mossy zodiac]

Pratically yes

[strange plinth]

i mean, grandmother shot the heart and our warframe stopped yeah

[abstract girder]

i tough it was the void powering the warframes

[abstract girder]

and that was her hurting our link, not the warframe itself

[mossy zodiac]

Well the warframes don't have a will of themselves "fully"

We are like the bones of warframes

[abstract girder]

you mean the nerve system?

[mossy zodiac]

Yuh yuh

Take back all the way to that cutscene our warframe breaks the war(ironic) that stalker was using

[stray herald]

so what rlly is the heart of deimos

[strange plinth]

wifi router

[stray herald]

I rmb a heart and the door to the void

[mossy zodiac]

Wifi router

[strange plinth]

but for void to the warframes

[abstract girder]

someone needs to make a meme of deimos with some antenas

[mossy zodiac]

Like we'd be limited to only working in deimos without it

[abstract girder]

then what are nechramechs?

earlier versions of warframes?

or mechanical versions of warframes?

[strange plinth]

they were made to fight the sentients but one got bodied by the ropalolyst so the orokin scrapped them early
and then went with warframes

[graceful swan]

It's what makes you special, you know that, right? All thanks to my father. It pumps the arteries of 'the here' and the Void. The Entrati family maintained it for an age. But it's breaking down, and the only idiot that knows how to fix it... the man I used to call my husband.

MOTHER IN RESPONSE TO THE HEART?

[abstract girder]

hoo, so as i tough, earlier versions of warframes

[mossy zodiac]

I think they could also be more automated as well

[mossy zodiac]

Like warframe that can work without the tenno

[strange plinth]

same purpose, not necessarily an earlier version

[mossy zodiac]

Necramechs are just robots/mechas not androids/cyborgs

[abstract girder]

so what is vauban?

[mossy zodiac]

They are more machine no infestation so there is no need for a tenno to control them

[abstract girder]

and protea

[mossy zodiac]

Both are warframes

🗣️ 🔥

[abstract girder]

but arent they also robots?

[mossy zodiac]

Uhhh if I'm not mistaken they were made the same way as any other warframe

[strange plinth]

just warframes
protea, or at least her concept, was designed by parvos though
dunno about vauban, idk his lore if he has any

[mossy zodiac]

We need more research

[mossy zodiac]

Oh maybe parvos made a commission with ballas

Ballas went to his twitter and put (taking commissions to build warframes)

[abstract girder]

is ballas the only one able to create warframes?

[mossy zodiac]

[strange plinth]

ye protea prime's trailer had the convo between them about it

[mossy zodiac]

Practically yeah

[abstract girder]

what if, our operator is able to learn to create warframes, and we are able to create our custom warframe that has any ability we want?

[strange plinth]

qorvex and probably xaku prime were albrecht-made, rev prime was probably the unum

[strange plinth]

we'd have to start taking random ostrons n whatever to make them, though. still people that have to be transformed before we can blueprint them

[mossy zodiac]

Qorvex and xaku
Do look less infested and more mechanical too

Like xaku can go bare bones
And qorvex has nothing under those rock plates

Like the head

No Brainer

[abstract girder]

so if qorvex was albrecht made, does that mean no qorvex prime?

or what would be qorvex prime?

[mossy zodiac]

Argon crystal 🔮

16 rods of argon crytals glued together

Yo i just had an idea

A warframe made of pure gold called Midas
His ability are like frost but turns enemies into gold

💥

[abstract girder]

next legendary skin for frost

instead of freezing enemies, you goldifie enemies

[mossy zodiac]

Frost midas touch

[graceful swan]

Was Ballas agreeing to make what Parvos designed to stop him from blowing up more of his frames

[mossy zodiac]

Look at yareli

Ballas made a warframe from someone he hated personally

Taking it as "punishment"

She ended up as a future headache

[strange plinth]

this happened with mirage as well

[mossy zodiac]

I think 3 warframes were rebellious right

Mirage yareli and garuda?

I forgor

[strange plinth]

garuda has no lore

[mossy zodiac]

Poor garuda

[abstract girder]

AKA, she has all the lore we want

[strange plinth]

temple wasn't even made due to the "rebelliousness in their dna"
mirage managed to modify her own blueprint out of spite for ballas iirc
yareli "disrespected" the yuvan n continuity stuff and ballas warframed her for it
but that's all i know in that regard

[abstract girder]

so wait, is nidus then the purest warframe?

since he is the most infested one?

[strange plinth]

eh, his infestation is just outward rather than completely inward

[lean garden]

Purest is a no

[graceful swan]

No

[abstract girder]

alr, nidus prime

you got me....

[graceful swan]

Wouldn't Nidus be the least pure

[abstract girder]

but arent warframes infested by nature?

[graceful swan]

How we defining pure

[abstract girder]

tbh idk

what defines a warframe?

[strange plinth]

synthetic lifeform according to the archon shard description lmao

[mossy zodiac]

I believe Qorvex could have a prime

[abstract girder]

what defines a prime?

[mossy zodiac]

Prime is the warframe freshly made

Like a straight from factory product

[strange plinth]

ye qorvex should get a prime as normal
our other big anomalies were way bigger n they still got primes
nidus, rev, xaku

[strange plinth]

ehh not quite
they were more like different models
higher status, "prime vanguard" stuff

[mossy zodiac]

Or maybe DE just can't not leave us without a prime ortherwise we would be mad

[graceful swan]

Some were Prime originally
Others earned it

[abstract girder]

and what is the lore reason for exva prime being so rare?

[mossy zodiac]

[strange plinth]

that's the meta reason, but we still got lore explanations for those i listed

[abstract girder]

but that applies to orokin made warframes right?

i was mentioning that since qorvex is aparently albreitch made

[graceful swan]

All Warframes were made by the Orokin in some form or other

[abstract girder]

is albreitch orokin?

[graceful swan]

Yes

[abstract girder]

are we orokin?

[strange plinth]

yesn't

[mossy zodiac]

No we are peasant

[abstract girder]

THEN WE CAN MAKE WARFRAMES

[main crane]

We are slaves

[mossy zodiac]

We already do

[strange plinth]

we were part of the overall empire but we were not of orokin caste

[mossy zodiac]

Ever heard of robotics?

[strange plinth]

no orokin had stepped on the zariman until albrecht iirc

[mossy zodiac]

Corpus**

[abstract girder]

what is the warframe we made?

[graceful swan]

We have never made an original frame only clones from blueprints

[mossy zodiac]

If I'm not wrong that tesla robot is the closest of a warframe we could get

[abstract girder]

Hoo, you mean elon musk?

[mossy zodiac]

Without infestation ofc

[abstract girder]

ic

[mossy zodiac]

Elon = ballas

See the similarity?

All elon needs is blue skin and a long arm

And funny hair

[graceful swan]

Eh
Albrecht is more like Elon because Ballas had one listed project while Albrecht has Void tech and frames

[mossy zodiac]

Calling elon albretch sounds like a compliment

Because albretch is cooler

He got that drip

[lilac aspen]

Albretch may have plans of his own and we may not enjoy him

But he has drip

[strange plinth]

difference is, albrecht actually did something there
regardless, we'd still have to do the whole.. transform a random citizen into a warframe if we wanted to make one ourselves

[abstract girder]

i still dont understund, is Albretch a good or a bad guy?

cause i tough he was a good guy

[mossy zodiac]

Cough cough

[abstract girder]

just being controled

[mossy zodiac]

He is not good
But he has his reasons

[abstract girder]

we could do on a random corpus or grineer couldnt we?

[mossy zodiac]

Rick we are the grinneer

[abstract girder]

i would say america is corpus, russia is grineer

[strange plinth]

good in that he's trying to fix the mistakes he made, bad in that he seems to use and discard whoever and whatever he needs to get there

[old dome]

the pt3 kujo jotaro drip, yes... complete w 4taro's deadbeat dad tendencies

[mossy zodiac]

Ey ey ey
Calm down

[digital grail]

Idk I feel more like grineer are British

[abstract girder]

i wonder what that makes europe

[strange plinth]

corpus maybe, grineer clone rot might mess with stuff? dunno
either way, we killed the orokin for this, among a billion other things

[old dome]

they had it coming tbf

[strange plinth]

oh absolutely

[abstract girder]

maybe we get a disconfigurated warframe in the future cause it used a corpus as a base?

[mossy zodiac]

We sure are forgetting about the arquimedians

[old dome]

we dont know much abt them other than theyre scientists + second highest social class, after the Orokin.

[mossy zodiac]

So i think i got a scale here

Arquimedians is rich
Corpus is corporate agents duhh obvious
Orokin rulers obvious duhhh
We could be the ostrons

[old dome]

yeah it goes smth along the lines of:

• Orokin (blue skinned mfs)
• archamedians
• dax.
• low guardians (maybe?)
• corpus.
• everyone else.

[mossy zodiac]

Grineer are the future clones we are making!!!

[old dome]

ostrons are just simple merchants. they were also slaves for the orokin...?

[mossy zodiac]

Aren't we all

[abstract girder]

what have i started

[mossy zodiac]

Warframe civil war

[strange plinth]

new war 2 electric boogaloo

[mossy zodiac]

The newest new war

[abstract girder]

so alr, what does that make the chinese, japonese, african?

[mossy zodiac]

[abstract girder]

since we going down the list

[mossy zodiac]

I'd not answer that

[abstract girder]

might as well mention them all

[old dome]

huh...?????

????????????????

[mossy zodiac]

All humans are the same 😀

[strange plinth]

there's.. not many real-world links to attach here
not that are relevant, anyway

[abstract girder]

are you sure? or are you just scared to mention them?

[mossy zodiac]

Can we skip your question 🙂

[old dome]

https://tenor.com/view/what-huh-confused-john-travolta-gif-16946746

[mossy zodiac]

Anyways guyyyyss uhh

The glass maker explain him to me

[strange plinth]

we have three main factions that you've already attached to other countries. what else do you want.

[abstract girder]

he makes, guess what? glass

[strange plinth]

anything specific about him or?

[mossy zodiac]

Dang!!

[mossy zodiac]

Everything
I wasn't here when he release

[abstract girder]

and thats how gara was made (not rly know)

[old dome]

he loved torturing ppl so much that the orokin feared & hated him but he was also p effective as a jailer so they kept him around... until the tenno uprising anyway.

he made himself into a glass figure to escape the tenno murdering ppl.

[mossy zodiac]

I heart he like
Made the uhh AI things

[strange plinth]

i wasn't either lol
his nw story is weird tho
nihil went around glassing random people, which is like. step 1 of 2 on becoming a cephalon

[mossy zodiac]

Ouhh

[abstract girder]

so wait, gara is part cephalon?

is that why she is found in earth?

[old dome]

nope. just inspired by the glassing method.

[brittle siren]

uhh no

[strange plinth]

gara was made in spite of nihil iirc?
something about her volunteering to get warframed and he didn't like it

[brittle siren]

ye

[mossy zodiac]

Gara doesn't blow glass sadly
Neither heats up sand

[abstract girder]

Gaara does tough

[mossy zodiac]

She just breaks and shatters it

[abstract girder]

at least the sand part

[brittle siren]

she can create glass

[mossy zodiac]

When someone makes my punishment become a reward I'd be pretty mad too

[mossy zodiac]

She doesn't heat up sand duhhh

[brittle siren]

the second part is kinda reach, but idk

[abstract girder]

not gara, gaara

[mossy zodiac]

What

[abstract girder]

https://tenor.com/view/gaara-gif-19354867

[brittle siren]

from Naruto

[mossy zodiac]

Ouh

[strange plinth]

i think it was the prime trailer i'm getting this from, one moment

[mossy zodiac]

I don't mean the naruto char pluh

[brittle siren]

but joke aside, Gara can totally create glass

[mossy zodiac]

How to make glass 101
It magically appears because gara can do it

🔥

[abstract girder]

The trick the glass makers in the world are hiding from you

[mossy zodiac]

Smh those glass makers

I knew blowing glass was a lie

[abstract girder]

what other lies are we told?

[strange plinth]

How to honor the one who volunteered willingly, knowing the truth?
And Nihil cried: "Glass her, for her presumption!"
So be it, I will encase you in crystal most fine.
ye prime trailer.
only grabbed relevant lines hence the disjointed-ness of that

[mossy zodiac]

Vauban being overpowered

[mossy zodiac]

Later ballas on his twitter: "Commission for NihiltheGl4ssMakur"
Gara prime 😍

[brittle siren]

and Wisp can just create a portal to the sun

and somehow focus it into a mini sun

[mossy zodiac]

Honestly just that could end our planet in mere seconds

[brittle siren]

which in reality, it doesn't

[mossy zodiac]

Just a tiny portion of our sun could destroy the world

Wdym!

[brittle siren]

uh no, idk how "tiny" you think it is, at most it just comparable to a nuke, which let me remind you: Earth already have AT LEAST 18 radiation wars

[mossy zodiac]

Shhh

Don't let them know i have 19

[brittle siren]

you sound drunk so I'm not gonna join you

and yes I'm that unfunny so f off

[mossy zodiac]

Cmoon i only had 4 bottles of wine

[abstract girder]

those rookie numbers...

[mossy zodiac]

Jeez party breaker

[mossy zodiac]

Don't want too much

[brittle siren]

you mean "pooper"

[mossy zodiac]

Breaker

I just saying the warframes have world ending powers

[abstract girder]

yeah

excalibur can just cut your world in half

[strange plinth]

<ye olde 'atlas punched an asteroid' here>

[brittle siren]

here we go again
another "Atlas punch an asteroid size of the moon" ahh statement

[graceful swan]

No they don’t

[lean garden]

a portal to the sun, would you suppose that its in the sun or near its surface?

[mossy zodiac]

Near surface

[lean garden]

grats bro a lightning strike is hotter

[mossy zodiac]

🔥

What happened to the "gauss run so fast it tear the atmosphere or sum"

[lean garden]

fake?

[brittle siren]

lmao

[mossy zodiac]

Saw it somewhere

Dunno

[brittle siren]

even Sonic and Flash running around does not create that phenomenal

[lilac aspen]

Flash and Sonic are weird because they defy science

[brittle siren]

"somewhere" is somehow the most valid source of info 👏

[lilac aspen]

Flash supported by the speed force
Sonic being a talking hedgehog

[brittle siren]

I mean Warframe void defy logic in some way

[mossy zodiac]

We also have super sonic

[brittle siren]

that Sonic does not even need to run, he blink so fast that it looks like teleportation

[abstract girder]

wait, what is the lore reason for tenocon?

[lilac aspen]

Gauss can’t run to the extent of somehow destroying the atmosphere

But I definitely wouldn’t want to shake his hand after he speeds by because he’ll definitely be hot to the touch, considering bro can push his speed to the extent even his own body designed for speed can’t handle it.

Hence the term “Redline”, he’s pushing his speed past the safety measure his body was designed to take

[brittle siren]

wdym Tennocon, it a CONvention of Warframe

it's REAL LIFE EVENT

[mossy zodiac]

New feature
Redline damages you and kills you once it's done

Also reminds me of the movie redline

Great movie

Ironically it also hurt the studio

[graceful swan]

Digital extremes wanted to interact with their community

[brittle siren]

btw Baro selling Jade Shadows and Whisper in the Wall login somachord

[abstract girder]

thats the meta reason

i mean the lore reason

[graceful swan]

Well you see

Not everything has a lore reason

[lilac aspen]

Somethings just exist

[stray gale]

eternalism

according to eternalism, there is a version of reality in which warframe is just a video game and we are in that reality 👌

[abstract girder]

according to eternalism,there is a version of reality in which warframe is a reality, and we are just being played

also one thing that bothers me: In eternalism there is a version of reality that doesnt have any other versions of reality, meaning that it is the only one to occur AKA eternalism is fake. creating a paradox

[mossy zodiac]

That means we could be in a game
And some rich archimedians is playing as us

The name of the game?
Life

[stray gale]

nah, it doesn't work like that

[abstract girder]

correction: some rich archimedian is playing as us playing warframe

[stray gale]

there are infinite numbers between 0 and 1 and none of them are 2

[mossy zodiac]

Playing warframe inside warframe (warfighters)

[stray gale]

infinite possible universes doesn't mean any conceivable universe

[mossy zodiac]

You didn't say impossible afterall

[abstract girder]

but what about infinite numbers between 0 and 1 vs infinite numbers between 0 and infinite?

[mossy zodiac]

You said possible!

[stray gale]

and this

per the wiki

"Correct. Versions of reality now exist in which each parent dies. Lintana is assigned to one of them, but the other is no less real and is theoretically accessible." -Euleria Entrati, A.K.A Mother, during the New War quest

[abstract girder]

so what are the boundries of eternalism?

[stray gale]

it's not like they are very concrete about it because eternalism only exists so DE can retcon things but generally it is that every possible universe in any potential point in time exist simultaneously and can be switched between

[abstract girder]

yeah, but what stops an universe like #lore-discussion message to exist?

[stray gale]

per onkko's long ass speech

Saya... If he- if Onkko- if I could have shown her how catalogues of possible futures fanned out from the moment I could choose, could have chosen, to stay, none of them end, ended, well. None, save one: this one. The one where I left. This future ends so well for her, for Konzu, for Cetus. As eviscerating a choice as it was, it was the only one I could live with. Some day, I swear, this is- but- this was... this will be borne out. Speak of this no more. To be crushed by the singular excruciates. What's done is done. Enough.

which very much seems to put a limit on what possible universes can entail

i.e. there is no universe in which onkko stayed and didn't fake his death that ended well

[abstract girder]

Or maybe, there is no observable universe where that happen

[stray gale]

that's the same thing

[abstract girder]

maybe there is one where he survived

but its much hidden

[stray gale]

well he says otherwise, so

[lean garden]

I mean... while I dont disagree with the broader implications, DE hasnt really used eternalism to retcon anything

[stray gale]

afaik the first thing they did with eternalism is, when they made crossplay, used it to explain why some relays were destroyed and others weren't

as the different platforms had differing relays destroyed or not

which I guess is more from a gameplay sense than a lore one but it is still pretty much retroactive continuity

[graceful swan]

The first thing they did with Eternalism was explain it

Second thing they did with it was use it to explain Drifter and Operator existing

And then 3rd was Baro

[lean garden]

Wait wait I dont think that really counts as a retcon there

like retcons need to explain that something else was always thus

the always thus part is critical

[stray gale]

er, not really

[lean garden]

what was done for the relays is that it was a move to parity

which isnt an "always thus"

[lean garden]

thats what the retroactive in retcon is for

[stray gale]

the only real thing you need is that new material directly contradicts prior material but is treated as the current continuity

eternalism was written so this wouldn't be nonsensical

[lean garden]

even under this definition this isnt what happend with the relays tho

like there was an event that forced parity to all platform universes

[stray gale]

without something like eternalism in the lore, a relay that was destroyed suddenly not being destroyed would be inexplicable as anything but a continuity error

[lean garden]

like say

the black hole on meridia in HD2

[graceful swan]

Eternalism was made to explain Drifter and Operator coexisting not to do things with Retcons

[lean garden]

there was a major event that had consequences

[stray gale]

with eternalism, you now have an in-universe explanation for this being the case

anyway, 'retcon' was probably not the right word to use but it does mean that DE can play pretty fast and loose with causality

[graceful swan]

No, it doesn't

[lean garden]

thats what Im going for, the first part at least

retcon isnt really the right word

but DE does have a tool to wave a magic wand, a tool that they have not used as such

The community waves eternalism around more than DE does lol

[stray gale]

they are rightfully suspicious imo

multiverses are in the same bucket as time travel and mind control/memory wipes as emergency break glass plot devices

[graceful swan]

That's why this meme exists

[lean garden]

wary is fine, but thus far DE hasnt really rammed themselves down the poorer execution of those tropes

[stray gale]

I already think the whole thing with drifter and duviri is kind of stupid and it definitely does feel like DE pulled a lot of stuff out of nowhere with eternalism and void conception to explain it

[graceful swan]

I'm surprised people use Eternalism more than using CE

CE is more likely to happen than Eternalism

[silk atlas]

But CE doesn't magically make their headcanon AU canon and Ballas is totally not dead we just need to go to a different timeline

[stray gale]

for as much of a hater as ballas is, I'm surprised he doesn't have any CE mumbo jumbo on his side

he actually died for real, which is almost a surprise

[silk atlas]

Best he got was Warden lol

[graceful swan]

Unless you're this guy Ballas being dead is something accepted

[stray gale]

like how does cavalero conjure up incarnons by just thinking about how to upgrade weapons in his downtime but ballas, the biggest hater to ever do it, is dead for real

and we don't fight some void beastie that's born from ballas' hatred of kittens and sunshine or whatever

I mean, the real answer is that DE themselves are done with him, but still

[silk atlas]

You missed the funnier comment, Nemesis

[graceful swan]

Damn the newer Scholars have really been improving with time while the former Scholars been degrading with time

[silk atlas]

I really doubt he's being serious

[graceful swan]

I dunno Alevian was convinced Rusalka leak was real even after DE confirmed it wasn't

[silk atlas]

What Rusalka leak?

That she would be Saryn proto?

[graceful swan]

Yeah

[silk atlas]

Ah

[brittle siren]

Btw, does anyone know who is Raya mentioned in the Nightwave cosmetics?

[misty helm]

I mean, Teshin somehow ended up in Duviri when he should've died. But I guess it was really necessary for the plot or something

So if they need Ballas to make a comeback, they will write a plot-twist for that

[restive river]

Teshin fell into the void portal?

[analog glade]

He can become an eidolon if he was merged with sentient enough.

[misty helm]

They can always justify stuff with more stuff

[woven coyote]

Community were the ones who decided he was supposed to die

Even varzia survived the helmet crunch

[restive river]

Erra is just bad at neck cracking lmao

[woven coyote]

Yup

[strange turtle]

“Somehow, Ballas returned”, in a trailer 5 months after a Fortnite crossover teased it

[woven coyote]

Basically "teshin died" was collective headcannon

[graceful swan]

Comes with the name

[restive river]

Error

[misty helm]

Absolutely. That's why I say, if they want to justify Ballas somehow surviving what happened at the end of TNW, they 100% can do it.

[restive river]

Teshin didn’t die for the same reason Varzia didn’t die
Erra sucks at killing Dax

[woven coyote]

Wdym absolutely?

In the cannon ballas is dead dead

In the cannon teshin never died

[restive river]

I mean they could but he is just dead, we’re on to the next big bad Orokin
Albrecht

[graceful swan]

And Excellent healthcare

[restive river]

Ballas is deader than dead, bro got his life sucked out of him and very likely fell into the sun

[woven coyote]

Yup

[restive river]

Like his body is gone after he died

[misty helm]

So were the Orokin, until we got Ballas. So was Nihil, until we got glassmaker. You're not getting the point.

[restive river]

Meanwhile Teshin just fell into a big lake and got nursed back to health

[graceful swan]

Someone in the other server said this

[analog glade]

We always have Duviri Ballas

[restive river]

We genocided a vast majority of them, clearly some escaped in various ways

[misty helm]

The magic of plot twists

[woven coyote]

I mean we even knew way before that not all died by our hands

[restive river]

Me when we literally watch him die at the most dangerous place in the system

[graceful swan]

Also this is their theory for Ballas not dying

[woven coyote]

The sequence of simaris logs talking about that executor tricked by the other guy who sided with the grineer

[strange turtle]

I mean yeah but that was a whole caste of people with access to space travel and loads of advanced technology, the possibility of some popping up again was always known, even if not stated

[woven coyote]

Clearly escaped us

[restive river]

Eh more so the magic of Ballas is crafty enough to survive, Nihil had glassed himself so no way we could know and the Entrati were in the void AND infested with Albrecht in the literal past

[graceful swan]

There should be a Operator report saying Ballas is dead dead

[normal mountain]

So, basically, 'Wally saved Ballas'?
actually, I could see that happening, in some freak twisted plot twist

[old dome]

their supersoldier healing regen kicked in at the last minute.

[graceful swan]

I couldn’t
Wally hates Orokin

[restive river]

I mean it’s not known if any ever left the system
Very doubtful they did tbh and if any did we won’t see them again

[misty helm]

Yeah, but just try to write/imagine a plot for Ballas surviving. Then imagine you're supposed to write that for the next big adventure on Warframe and tell me you 100% can't do it.

Man, if they want to tell that tale, they will find a way to justify it. That's what I'm saying.

[restive river]

He literally died in front of us at the most dangerous location in the system, his body is burnt to a CRISP

[old dome]

i still wish we can fight him instead of kullervo... just sparta kick him down into that arena & have kullervo watch us beat up warden ballas.

[woven coyote]

That would require them to hire marvel writers to make something that bad

[normal mountain]

Yes, but so does Ballas (iirc)
Enemy of my enemy and so forth

It's not a serious theory in my mind, but I wouldn't be terribly surprised by something like that happening

[restive river]

If they want Ballas back in any capacity they’ll use the Warden
Which
They already have technically, the Warden exists purely to torture Kullervo not muck with us

[misty helm]

Potentially

[restive river]

Thing is
In Warframe we do kill a lot of big bads a lot

Like Tyl Regor is dead for example

The most Ballas will ever return is prime trailers or maybe a mysterious Vitruvian

[strange turtle]

Oh I just meant like. Space is big and planets are big the Void is big so there was always the possibility of one just, hidden away somewhere.

Which there was, multiple even.

[analog glade]

I still say an eidolon Ballas is up for grabs

[woven coyote]

Tldr DE isnt as cheap as marvel or DC

[restive river]

Which
Tbh I’d rather that if we continue to go after any Orokin that survived we don’t rehash Ballas, did any of the other seven survive? What did they do?

[normal mountain]

Or someone from DC

[graceful swan]

In a game called Warframe
Causing Peace was never on the table

[restive river]

I mean there’s only been a handful and even with how big space is if any left the system we’d never see them

[woven coyote]

Lol

[restive river]

Mostly cause the other guys won’t listen

[misty helm]

Does somebody remembers Vor and his void-key bs?

[normal mountain]

Vor, yes

[strange turtle]

IIRC DE said we’re getting more of him soon? That or a revamped fight

[restive river]

Yeah, the devs do
Vor is clearly a special case lmao

[restive river]

Reworked fight yes

Thing is
Vor had a void key on him and was reborn as a void entity
Ballas had no such anythings, he had no visible or known backups, he thought he was gonna win and go to Tau but nope
We won, Lotus killed him and we left his body to burn.

[normal mountain]

Funniest thing ever when I encountered Vor in Duviri

He starts his speel, and all I could think of was Drifter going "Who the hell are you?"

[restive river]

Even funnier when he starts the speel and Drifter just one taps him

[normal mountain]

Nah, I let him finish
It was actually kind of interesting

[restive river]

Oh yeah the first time

[woven coyote]

I remember when the monologue could continue post mortem

[normal mountain]

Especially the bit about the 'Wall of Bone'

[analog glade]

I like to let Vor talk, but sometimes he just spawns in the wrong spot and BAM, down he goes.

[restive river]

Every time after it’s funnier to one tap him so he barely gets a word in

[tall echo]

I wish they changed it back to that

[woven coyote]

Me too

I think it was way funnier that the monologue was innevitable

[tall echo]

Just have him keep talking until he's done

[normal mountain]

The Duviri monologue, yes
Think the problem was it threw Teshin's lines off

[woven coyote]

Makes sense

[normal mountain]

regular Void monologue keeps going regardless

[shut mesa]

Kaya achieving timetravel is nice and all, but how did she get to a Relay of a different planet??? How did she get off Earth and travel to Mercury? Did she hijack the Operator's Orbiter, while it was parked at the Drifter's camp. Kahl, why didn't you stop her? I trusted you. 😭

[analog glade]

https://tenor.com/view/no-way-home-spider-man-no-way-home-tobey-maguire-spider-man-portal-gif-25114773

Which is what I think DE thought, portals fix everything.

[woven coyote]

Gameplay/lore differences

Even nova's leverian has nova teleport through objects which we cant do in gameplay

Kaya takes it further and even time travels

[analog glade]

the math alone to get the trigonometry of a station floating around a planet, floating around a sun, floating around a black hole, floating in comic stuff in a random direction.

[woven coyote]

Sci fi math mixed with actual intuition about her powers

She studied a while about time travel with her powers

Figuring out how to get somewhere doesnt seem absurd

[analog glade]

No, but it is the same idea for real world time travel to work. there is very loose logic that the portal would cling to a place, when that place is drifting at all times.

[woven coyote]

Another point i remembered

If she uses a single drifter to find the when and land on our time

A relay full of tenno is probably a huuuuuuuge target

[hexed oxide]

can eleanor transmit someone else's sight or did i misunderstand quincy ?

[analog glade]

TBH I'm not a big fan of most time travel in entertainment just from the possibility of the math, which i suck at math.

Though DE does use the infestation as a locator of sorts, which does work for me.

[woven coyote]

Gotta be a bit more specific

[woven coyote]

For kaya? Wasnt it drifter?

[analog glade]

I meant for the drifter specificly.

[woven coyote]

Oh yeah when drifter got to 1999

[analog glade]

I think Kaya was using the drifter as her locator

[woven coyote]

Yeah she did for going to the future

[hexed oxide]

random banter in mall "Aoi! Before I forget: contact a mine has a lead on a clothing pallet he swears is legit shibukaji. If Eleanor's in range when I eyeball 'em I'll get her to pipe you a look"

[woven coyote]

Certainly reads like it

I'd say it fits the fiction of a telepath

[analog glade]

I'd say so too

[shut mesa]

I forgot about the Leverian. I assumed Kaya was just more proficient with the Nova (proto)frame than even the Operator/Drifter, while the rest of the Hex were novices with their powers. (Quincy forgot to press 1 to save his life until the Drifter showed him.🤭)
She also seems the least fazed by the transformation compared to the other Hex.
Now, she creates portals wormholes to other planets? People need to keep an eye on her, she's dangerous if left unchecked.

[woven coyote]

She seems to have a good grasp on both theory and intuition on her powers yeah

[shut mesa]

Too good almost

[analog glade]

Imagine if/when Limbo gets a proto... maybe he wont off himself with bad math.

[silk atlas]

When it's part of your entire body that gives you sick powers, kinda hard to not want to take advantage of all it's worth.

[shut mesa]

Given her backstory she was especially motivated.

[tall echo]

She's a genius

Unlike me because I almost typed genuis

[lilac aspen]

Albrecht specifically targeting math geniuses for Limbo so they won’t die

[silk atlas]

Issue was Limbo was good at math, he just got cocky

[lilac aspen]

Or he simply made an oopsie
Happens to the best of us

[silk atlas]

Given Ordis was reading Limbo's math, Limbo had to have known that he was doing something crazy

[lilac aspen]

we know lore wise he jumped a few times into the rift

It’s just his theorem was like
A cumulative of all his previous rift walks to calculate a rift walk of absurd proportions

And it failed
Horribly

Basically so long as the limbo protoframe doesn’t try to push the boundaries, he’ll be fine

Or he’s unhinged as heck and keeps asking the Drifter about Limbo and math

[nocturne valve]

Are children rare in the origin system? Corpus and Granieer produce by clones. Only children we see are on Fortuna and Cetus. And during the Jade shadows quest, the parvos sister seems shaken when she hears Jade's baby cry.

[proper barn]

Well Coprus aren't clones

Just like vat babies but that's not clones.

[nocturne valve]

But wee see Corpus soldiers hung like sheets in Corpus tilesets. Those aren't clones?

[proper barn]

What? No we don't. We then in harnesses.

But we also see just the suits.

[nocturne valve]

Oh. Those were suits? I thought those were clones on standby or something

[brittle siren]

Anyone 😞

[brittle siren]

What is "vat" means

[brittle siren]

Or 2 director of Star War Sequel Trilogy

[restive river]

I don’t think Raya is an individual?

It’s just the Raya series
I’m not seeing Raya as an individual mentioned anywhere

My guess is it’s just a style

[brittle siren]

Oh ok

[tall echo]

Toobmen

[brittle siren]

I mean
they still clones though

[tall echo]

Well no

Just kids grown in toobs

[lilac aspen]

Grineers are clones in the sense of they’re taking the living soldiers’ DNA and the next batch are quickly grown in toobs

But they’re not necessarily like
Clone troopers clones

Especially since each suffer from varying degree of degradation, some luckier than others

[high bay]

How much of an uber nerd am I for “learning” how to “speak” Corpus?(learning is in quotes because it’s literally just English with a cipher, and speaking is in quotes because literally nobody else speaks corpus, and I can’t really translate much of what the crewmen are saying because they get vaporized too fast and there’s that tech distortion that plays havoc)

[lilac aspen]

I figured out some Corpus simply from the Gauss prime thing

[high bay]

Most of what I’ve been able to commit to memory is mean things with bad words because I have the maturity of a man child

[proper barn]

no wrong.

[high bay]

I’ve even gone to the extent of wondering if different regions of the system speak different accents or even different dialects of the corpus language

[lilac aspen]

DE release a language book for each faction
Please

You know we’ll buy it in a heartbeat

[tall echo]

Do you know what clone means

[proper barn]

Grinner are literally clones made by the orokin as factory workers. they aren't based on real humans they are literally a clone race. They aren't soilders until the old war where a grinner worker killed a sentient then they take his liek genes and make more soilder grinner.

but it was a GRINNER that used as a base for it.

[tall echo]

They are based on humans initially

[proper barn]

that's not said.

tehy are clones made by the orokin to be a workforce.

[tall echo]

There are no aliens

[lilac aspen]

Something along the lines of a group of creatures made from the same ancestor or Genetics

Which makes them practically identical to one another

Reason I call them different from Clone Troopers is how they are in all that jazz, like the degradation and what Tyl Regor is trying to do to save them.

[lilac aspen]

Sorry
I meant living soldiers as in the living Grineer we fight

[proper barn]

a obedient workforce.

[tall echo]

So, the grineer originate from a human

[proper barn]

human dna i don't think their was a original grinner guy.

[tall echo]

Yes

That. Is what I'm saying.

[barren jasper]

we do have a model of a non deteriorated grineer tho

[proper barn]

no i know those are just orokin era clones they where made before the old war even.

[tall echo]

A grineer soldier, mind you

[proper barn]

i explained why they where exist then.

[tall echo]

Meaning it's already a clone of a clone...

[lilac aspen]

Knowing the Orokin
They might of altered the DNA to make an effective work force thing to the extent they aren’t really “human” anymore if they originated from human

[proper barn]

we know that they did.

[lilac aspen]

Considering they can survive severe genetic degradation and can get by with crude looking cybernetics

Grineers are jacked

Kahl casually using a Cornith Prime like it’s not something that will shatter a normal person’s shoulders

[tall echo]

...yes?

[lilac aspen]

New event where we have to decide to help Tyl regor help the Tubemen again when

[neon pilot]

Random question. You think grineer can fall in love? :v

[lilac aspen]

Yes

[tall echo]

When regor gets revivified

[lilac aspen]

Well
Which love?

[tall echo]

Ones with loyalty defect maybe

[lilac aspen]

Familial?
Romantic?
Platonic?

[spice spade]

Bromance

Yes

[neon pilot]

All of it

[tall echo]

There is certainly art of it

[neon pilot]

Well my brain thought of writing some fluffy little side story of an Orikin having affections towards her Grineer guardsman or some dumb stuffs :v

[proper barn]

They see all other grinner as family.

Kinda coded into then.

[old dome]

comes w the "clones of clones of clones" thing

[proper barn]

Also maybe just probably with not other grinner or at least not one's from the same batch.