lore-discussion

[swift steppe]

when drifter gets killed by the guards

every time again and again and again

the death of drifter prompts the beginning of the loop

[graceful swan]

Duviri didn’t even have a loop until Drifter wanted to leave

[swift steppe]

rly?

[graceful swan]

Yes

[olive sandal]

yea normally its Thrax but at the end of the quest drifter restarts the loop to save Teshin before leaving Duviri

[swift steppe]

i thought it always had one lol my bad

[restive river]

I mean Nezha maybe/probably but Yareli idk
Child-like attitude and being petite doesn’t instantly make one a child :p

[swift steppe]

i mean im not wrong too just it started when drifter wanted to leave

[swift steppe]

i actually forgot about that

[graceful swan]

Which once again reinforces the throne had loop ability not a singular individual

[olive sandal]

the throne just represents control

drifter created duviri so he's the true master

[restive river]

Sit on throne
Control Duviri

[swift steppe]

that would make sense actually

doesnt explain the new requiem tho

[restive river]

Ehh, they can’t control things directly, it’s based on emotions and concepts in their mind

[graceful swan]

Not for long

[restive river]

Like Duviri REACTS to how they feel even when not on the throne
Because
Void and conceptual embodiment

But control over Duviri as a whole? Gotta sit on the throne

[swift steppe]

which explains the entire loop of emotions AND also explains why kullervo only appears on specific ones

[restive river]

Drifter likely can’t reset a loop in Duviri without being on the throne

[restive river]

Heck it also just explains Kullervo’s hold, his Warden and why there’s multiples of him jailed
It’s all a conceptually embodiment of how he feels/felt

[swift steppe]

drifter will never be the true master of anything imo the entire existence of drifter is doomed to be negative in some ways

[olive sandal]

is duviri Teshin even a real person?

[restive river]

Yes.

[swift steppe]

yeah

[restive river]

He is Origin System Teshin.

[swift steppe]

the one with the queens right

[restive river]

Erra is notoriously bad at murdering Dax lmao

[restive river]

Yes, he had to work for the queens in the war within

[olive sandal]

ah so after new war he got sucked into duviri? arrived with the lotus arm

[restive river]

Cause they were orokin and had the kuva

[sage moat]

I feel like from a writing perspective it makes more sense for the loop to be attached to a character for which a timeloop has meaning, rather than the smart science guy or a magic void chair

[swift steppe]

he our friend tho

kai cenat flashbacks

[graceful swan]

Hand not arm

[restive river]

Not after, during
But yeah

He actually seemed to arrive BEFORE the hand did

Time is weird in Duviri
He even alludes to previous loops

[olive sandal]

seemed like he had been around? like drifter kinda knew him, or had to remember knowing him

[restive river]

Yes Teshin is our friend :)

[swift steppe]

like lizzie does

[restive river]

Space uncle

[restive river]

Yeah, he had been there a while

[swift steppe]

poor teshin hes so unlucky

[restive river]

Kinda, Lizzie is infested and how the infested perceive time is weird
Teshin is just present in Duviri, it’s like groundhog day but everyone remembers

[olive sandal]

so its strange because lets say he arrived 100 loops ago and drifter forgot him, and then remembered him on the last loop, the hand took its sweet time arriving lol

[swift steppe]

fr

[restive river]

So did the Paracesis lol

[swift steppe]

with its 1k ducats requirements.

😡😡😡

[olive sandal]

but drifter powers are not borrowed from wally right? since that's the version that didn't make the deal?

[swift steppe]

they were given iirc?

idk actually isnt OP the one borrowing the powers?

[silk atlas]

He made a deal, but wasn't saved. Drifter gets his powers from Operator during TNW

[swift steppe]

oh nevermind then

dont read what i just said

[sage moat]

Oh yeah! The infestation fears the void yet seems itself to be "paracausal" or something of the sort
Made by the orokin, but predates them
Can communicate through time maybe without the use of the void?
My big theory is that after wally is dealt with in 5-10 years we move on to fighting the infestation as the big bad, sealing away whatever hivemind is communicating throughout history

[swift steppe]

lol that sounds complicated im alr annoyed

[graceful swan]

Infestation predates the Orokin

It was never made by the Orokin

[restive river]

Drifter gets their piece of Wally when they save the Operator during the new war

[olive sandal]

it is odd that operator/drifter/rell all opppose wally on some level despite getting their powers from him, rell especially blocked him off for who knows how long, you'd think wally could just take it back. maybe wally can't undo deals he's made either?

[restive river]

When the Drifter saves them from the Operator’s personal time loop

[restive river]

Well it was a fairer deal

Also all Tenno get their abilities from Wally

[graceful swan]

Survival is the name of the game

[sage moat]

Coulda sworn that was Said somewhere. Either way, it's still got funky time stuff yeah?

[swift steppe]

it does

[restive river]

It has never said that
But yeah the Infestation views time funky

Like all at once and knows about loops

[sage moat]

I'm not finished with the temple chats though which have been interesting so far

[swift steppe]

its rlly uncanny

[graceful swan]

The Orokin made a controlled strain of it but the Infestation was a thing way before them

[stiff fable]

I think part of it is that Wally needs the Operator to do things on their side to advance his own plans

[restive river]

Drifter getting powers wasn’t part of the deal technically
But also was technicaly
So

[swift steppe]

lmaooo

[sage moat]

My hope is that the big infestation story I think will happen can happen before or after you do the 1999 stuff, so it's less daunting on new players. Maybe it's even available right from the start! I'm just spitballing rn cause I really like the infestation. Favorite faction.

[restive river]

Wdym exactly?

[sage moat]

You beat TNW and you can choose to do WitW to go down the wally/1999 story or do this new questline for a new story

[olive sandal]

infested/techrot origin is still unknown it seems? other than the fact some c-suit thought an agressive everythingcancer would be great for toys and cloning boybands

[restive river]

Oh
Well the infested lore we have got is just kinda intertwined into the void war arc atm lol

[stiff fable]

It predates that but we don't know how

[restive river]

If we get more we’ll see if it’s relevant to the current arc

[sage moat]

That's true! That's just a hope I have

[stiff fable]

In darkSector it was an American bioweapon

[restive river]

Which hey
Having our own eldritch time entity on our side to fight Wally would be good!

I doubt they’ll ever reveal the exact origin of the Infestation tbh, I mean the main thing is does it matter?

[graceful swan]

Techrot is the minor antagonist of 1999

[restive river]

Yeah, we have gotten a lot of good infested lore though at the same time though :)

Mostly with Lizzie tbh but hey
It’s something

We literally know more than ever before about how the Infestation works so that’s a boon in my eyes

[sly ibex]

Let's stick to discussing Warframe. 😛

[restive river]

[sage moat]

How strict are the good/bad endings for the fab 4 btw?

[graceful swan]

Chat should I rename my Helminth to Lizzie?

[sage moat]

Like do you need to get everything right or just Not Be Awful

[restive river]

It would technically be accurate to a degree

[stiff fable]

Deceptively easy, I says

[restive river]

I mean you could name the Helminth any other frame too

[stiff fable]

Like, you have to really whiff to mess up Kaya's good ending since it's one right answer with three tries

[graceful swan]

Give it a super long name listing every single frame in the game

[silk atlas]

Kaya's has ONE entire check and it's stupid obvious.

[restive river]

I wonder what abomination you’d get if you stuffed all the names together

[stiff fable]

But Flare needs six correct answers out of nine possible, and Minerva/Velimir needs you to stay very neutral throughout

[olive sandal]

couple's counseling

[stiff fable]

Basically

[sage moat]

Is it ethical to cause a timeloop for the sake of couples counseling

[restive river]

Well
We didn’t cause it

[lean garden]

imo? ball

[olive sandal]

are the endings permalocked once you get them? 🤔

[stiff fable]

Yes because that bad ending still exists just not for you anymore

[restive river]

We can reset it, we have control of it
But we didnt make it

[stiff fable]

Semi, you can reset all the KIM convos to mulligan

[sage moat]

I don't wanna reset my love amir... but if I have to I will simply fall in love again

[restive river]

[stiff fable]

And this time you can put his DnD group together

[sage moat]

Not big on Kaya or the divorce Duo I just like flare

[stiff fable]

https://tenor.com/view/critical-role-crit-role-cr-arsequeef-let-chaos-reign-gif-18297915

[restive river]

Kaya’s the goat

[stiff fable]

Kaya feels a bit hysterionic because we all know that revenge stuff blows over in the social media age, but obviously from her perspective it doesn't feel like it would so I'm really torn on where she lands

(Also, like, teenager.)

Also also I don't like that the game kinda implies a paradox in her good ending

[restive river]

Wait does it?

[stiff fable]

Little bit

[restive river]

Oh
Yeah
Even though there isn’t one lmao

She says something like we knew she’d make it or whatever but we just
Didn’t

Like idk when she actually arrives at Larunda

[stiff fable]

If you meet her in Larunda she acts like the Operator was aware of her

[sly ibex]

Drifter.

No recognition of you being Operator.

[sage moat]

WAIT THATS POSSIBLE?? YOU ACTUALLY CAN?? HELL YEAH

[stiff fable]

No, Operator

The Drifter wouldn't have been native to the timeline after all

[sly ibex]

She still talks to you like you're the Drifter, cuz she speaks with the familiarity she does with Drifter.

[sage moat]

Sorry I lost service that's not relevant to the current convo

[restive river]

Does she know they’re basically the same person?

[stiff fable]

Unknown

Yonta's the only character who acknowledges there are two of you

[lean garden]

I dont think that matters? if she's hopscotching her way back to when you came from, then drifter is already part of the system, so its more than likely that she's talking to the drifter here

[lean garden]

and quinn

[restive river]

Quinn does too, no?

[lean garden]

and the lotus

[restive river]

Like the Holdfasts should all know tbh

And Albrecht

And in theory Loid, Necraloid, the Cavia and Wally

[sly ibex]

Eleanor knows there are 2 of us, as well.

[lean garden]

is she the only one you talk about the kid with?

[graceful swan]

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[sly ibex]

I believe so, but she also read our mind and knows about the future stuff.

[restive river]

LMAO thank you Nemesis

[lean garden]

that I dont doubt, but I'm more asking about if we've ever talked about the kid to anyone else

[sly ibex]

Not that I recall.... Maybe, though?

[stiff fable]

Does Eleanor acknowledge that in the base game? Only saw it during the Holvania demo

[sly ibex]

There are KIM conversations with her about Operator.

[restive river]

Drifter: A version of me from this timeline that didn't age because they were stuck in a stasis pod on Lua, which the Lotus, who later saved me, put Lua and the kid into the Void for a while, to keep everybody safe-- (AoiRank4Convo1 •

[sly ibex]

Ah, okay. Cool.

[graceful swan]

Honestly surprised Discord didn’t 2k limit me

[restive river]

Man “kid” comes up a lot with Aoi

I’m on the kimulacrum and sheeesh

It’s mostly about her, or us or Quincy

[sly ibex]

I just want to actually talk to 1999 folks as Operator. >_<

[restive river]

Or just “kidding”

[restive river]

Yeahhh

[sly ibex]

At least Kaya, since she's in the present.

[restive river]

Salem: You’ve got another self out there, walking around. That other self both is and isn’t you. They’re like a kid version of you from another version of reality. (EleanorRank3Convo4 •

[sly ibex]

Drifter has some cool story stuff and all, but I still just see Operator as our actual (and main) character.

It's our timeline, after all. XD

[stiff fable]

I mean, you can access the KIM from the origin system so there's that

[sly ibex]

It still treats it as Drifter talking, though.

[stiff fable]

Gameplay and story segregation

[restive river]

Drifter: Long story short, I aged and the kid didn't. So Ordis kind of looks over us both. (AmirRank4Convo4 •

Drifter: And the system where the other kid is, it's a place I've been. (KayaRank4Convo4 •

[sly ibex]

But it is still Operator's system that Drifter is in... Just the past. We know it's ours because of the Coda confrontation. >_<

[olive sandal]

I kinda prefer the drifter over the potato. Hopefully going forward we'll always have options on which to go with.

[stiff fable]

I mean the Operator and Drifter share the same past

[graceful swan]

And the fact Drifter says not much remains from theirs

[restive river]

Drifter: They do. But they care about the kid, more. And I get it. That isn't my reality. It's fine. (QuincyRank2Convo3 •

[sly ibex]

That, too. I would like to see whatever is left of Drifter's, honestly.

[stiff fable]

Isn't it Duviri?

[olive sandal]

what even happened to that dimension/timeline 🤔 like he got left behind in the void and then the universe implodes?

[sly ibex]

Who do what now?

[stiff fable]

Or the bits of the Zariman there

[sly ibex]

I mean Drifter's version of the sol system and universe.

[restive river]

Thats from the Drifter talking about the new war to Quincy

[lean garden]

All that remains is their zariman

[olive sandal]

should still exist no? unless something really bad happened while he was stuck?

[restive river]

Point is
The Hex def know about the Operator

[sly ibex]

Ohhh, I see.

[stiff fable]

That's the null kicking in

[sly ibex]

So basically... Eternalism is actually disproven, if other possible realities are culled.

[stiff fable]

It's not destroyed or anything, it's just that the timeline split isn't accessible outside of the void

[restive river]

Wouldn’t other realities being “culled” mean they existed so
That doesn’t disprove it?

[lean garden]

Functionally all I see that happened is that there wasnt a whole new timeline made Real Real, even though it was Real. The Zariman being a hotbed of potentials, manifested the drifter and his copy of the zariman. As such there isnt any Real Real timeline that drifter left behind, only a Real one

[stiff fable]

And the Drifter's only path out is the Operator's

[restive river]

Drifter and Operator’s timeline is the same
Then splits on the Zariman while in the void
Then it merges back together during the New War where they are now two

[strange turtle]

Eternalism would entail the culling bit not happening though

[stiff fable]

Personal timelines only, Fox Only, Final Destination

[strange turtle]

So it’d be something very close to Eternalism, but not quite

[lean garden]

Why?

[restive river]

How though
It just says those realities can happen, they can still be culled?

[olive sandal]

isn't eternalism just both things happened? I guess its more or less multiverse theory

timeline just splits infinitely on A or B happening

[proper barn]

see my theory of other timelines don't really exist is being brought up again.

[stiff fable]

Yes, but basically true alternate timelines are not accessible

[proper barn]

no that they could happen.

[stiff fable]

They're there but not for you

[proper barn]

like there isn't a set outcome (kinda) if you change things big enough you will get ripples.

[stiff fable]

Because there's no difference between past, present and future when the void is involved

[proper barn]

like the drifter.

[olive sandal]

doesn't the quiz on the zariman say that eternalism means that the scenario in which both parents live or die, or one lives and the other dies all happened?

[strange turtle]

Versions of reality now exist in which each parent dies. Lintana is assigned to one of them, but the other is no less real and is theoretically accessible."

If it is culled it is no longer theoretically accessible

[lean garden]

And which part of that says that realities cant be subsequently destroyed?

[restive river]

But it did exist
So
How does that disprove eternalism?

[stiff fable]

Yes, she can change the outcome, but still only can access one

[proper barn]

We have never interacted with anything eteranlism/other timeline Related that isn't coming out of the void.

[restive river]

The only time eternalism has been accessed is with the Drifter and Operator iirc
Like
That’s the big one

[stiff fable]

Yeah, even Deadlock Protocol

[restive river]

Meanwhile we have conceptually embodied timelines (strands of khra) which don’t impact this and can be cut without issue

[stiff fable]

The end happens in the void so the Parvos specters breaking out is erased when Protea rewinds

[lean garden]

That sentence is not some ironclad declaration of indestructibility, all its saying is "in theory you might be able to access it" not "in theory it must always be accessible"

[proper barn]

Like Rev prime out of the void. Drifter was "made" from a void beiging changing a outcome and that made The drifter real cuz it was such a distract change. evn Lau it's like "TIME TRAVEL" stuff is all cuz it was in the void for so long.

[olive sandal]

time is nonlinear in the void yea?

[proper barn]

Even the unum who sees timeline/has time powers all she can do is see possible outcomes and do stuff to go towards the outcome she likes.

[stiff fable]

Doesn't exist, so same difference

[restive river]

Lua’s Spy Vaults are also arguably an example of the Palimpsest of Spacetime, changing the past effects the future without ruining everything
The original persists with the changes

[proper barn]

EHHHHHHHHHH we have had it confirmed it moves very differently.

[restive river]

Untime and Unspace

[proper barn]

which is what i said but it took till kaya to get a confirmation

even though i said it before that.

[sly ibex]

The only reason another reality may have theoretically existed could have just been because of us being in the Void in the first place, meaning normal decision making doesn't cause splits at all. Though what would have been Drifter's version may have simply ceased to be before it really existed, anyway. Hard to be sure what exactly happened.

[restive river]

Teshin arrives before the hand and the paracesis for several loops for example

[lean garden]

Whats that over there?

[stiff fable]

I think it's just that the Drifter's past is the Operator's

[proper barn]

Teshin also seems to be like "ready" for you to be done with your journey.

[restive river]

I mean Wally messed with the events of the Zariman so…

[stiff fable]

And the Drifter's present is in the Void, which is the null

[sly ibex]

Eternalism says they are all accessible from the Void, which does not appear to actually be the case.

[stiff fable]

Accessible but not to you

[restive river]

Yeah, he’s paradoxically been there longer even though it seems like the hand and stabbing just happened

[lean garden]

But that doesnt really disprove eternalism though. The void being able to make something Real Real out of something Real is the proof of eternalism, as euleria implies during the class.

[restive river]

Theoretically accessible
The Orokin never figured out how to do it lol

[proper barn]

I think the void can make any of these un realized timelines like things from them real but I don't think they are accessabile yeah.

[stiff fable]

I think the most horrifying thing in Warframe in years is Kaya saying the infestation is progressing in every alternate timeline she can see

At the same time

[restive river]

The only entity that has interacted with Eternalism is what
Wally and the Unum?

[stiff fable]

ETA does, weirdly

[restive river]

Maybe the Infestation knowing how it perceives time

[proper barn]

like Rev Prime is not from a Timeline the Void just Conjured him cuz it thought it would be really funny to own ballas.

[proper barn]

drifter i guess? if we want.

[sly ibex]

That is something being generated in the Void, not a decision from outside the Void causing a new universal timeline branch that can be accessed through the Void, though.

[restive river]

Drifter is a product of it

[stiff fable]

Well it's also possible that it's just normal timetravel

Like, we primed Revenant and sent him back to troll Ballas

[proper barn]

i don't think that's the case he walks out of the void. also all the games descriptions say he is from the void.

[sly ibex]

1999 is normal time travel, yeah. Revenant was the Void burping him out. He was conceptually embodied.

[restive river]

Well now this is just the issue of the outcome bring the same but how it’s made is different lol

[stiff fable]

Time travel also works through the void

[proper barn]

but this isn't saying through the void it says he is OF the void.

[restive river]

Unless you believe that tennocon panel that the Unum had a hand in it

[stiff fable]

From Ballas's perspective there's no difference

[proper barn]

THEN I WOULD BE MORE CORRECT

[restive river]

LOL

[sly ibex]

I mean Duviri is embodied, but there's no proof that actual alternate timelines exist so far. At least, outside of Baro's mail messages before. The only alternate anything we have ever seen was purely in the Void itself.

[restive river]

The Drifter is literally an example of Eternalism

[lean garden]

Think of it like this. There is a theory created by a desert people who have never seen a lake, that if you drop a stone in a lake, it will make a splash.

One day one of the desert folks leaves, travels for days and finally discovers a lake. They drop a stone and behold! A splash!

Now does this mean that stones that make splashes can only happen with that lake? Or does it work with any lake, or any waterbody for that matter?

[sly ibex]

From within the Void, not from outside of it.

[restive river]

It’s just that Duviri is conceptually embodied
But the Drifter isn’t
The Drifter is the product of Wally’s deal.

[stiff fable]

Also Isleweaver revolves around Rusalka trying to manually embody an alternate Duviri, which is interesting

[restive river]

Yeah, eternalism hasn’t been accessed outside of the void :p

[sly ibex]

That doesn't seem really equivalent, to me.

[sly ibex]

It's only been seen as even existing at all from within the Void itself, is what I'm saying.

[lean garden]

Time is like water, that specific lake is like the void

[restive river]

Which I agree with
So
I’m confused

[sly ibex]

As in, it creates something within itself. It doesn't appear to create outside timelines/universes.

[lean garden]

Which is already covered in the eternalism class

[stiff fable]

I mean the lecture also says that the Void is what proves Eternalism is the order of the day and not Presentism

[restive river]

Except for MAYBE whatever’s happening with Unum and Rev Prime but that’s dubious

[stiff fable]

Presentism is what we experience EXCEPT the Void means that the alternate timelines exist even if we can't interact with them

[lean garden]

Eternalism as a theory posits that actions create a split in timelines. Via the void, the nerds could confirm that indeed! This is a thing that happens

[restive river]

You only have eternalism through the void

[lean garden]

Eleanor managed to reach out to an alternative version of herself!

[sly ibex]

When was it actually confirmed that a decision made outside of the Void causes a new timeline? So far, I have only seen that things happening in the Void seem to cause a split, and even then I have not seen anything indicating another timeline is created.

[restive river]

That was through the void tho

[tall echo]

Eleanor

[sly ibex]

Ahhh, there we go.

[restive river]

She explicitly says she accessed the void with her mind for that

[sly ibex]

Never had a conversation with her about anything like that.

[stiff fable]

I mean that's the whole issue, those alternate timelines are only theoretical

From your perspective I mean

[silk atlas]

And then, The Void™️!

[lean garden]

She may have reached out through the void, but did she create nunleanor through the void?

[tall echo]

But the nun was on the "other side" of the void

[stiff fable]

you can also tell her she imagined it and she says she chooses to imagine it was real

[restive river]

No?
Cause she wasn’t in the void so she was just accessing it to reach out

[restive river]

Yeah

[lean garden]

Ding ding ding

[restive river]

[lean garden]

Ergo, nunleanor is proof that the void is not the definitive item in having an alternate split

[tall echo]

Other timelines are real but only theoretically accessible

DE been trying to tell us that for like 3 years

[restive river]

Through the void

[restive river]

They literally told us during the new war but we have terrible reading comprehension

[tall echo]

Hey reminder that the new war was multiple years ago already :D

[restive river]

[stiff fable]

Hold up what do you mean Warframe players can read

[sly ibex]

That brings up another issue, though...

[tall echo]

Dante was I believe two years ago?

[restive river]

Old…

[lean garden]

Can you read that out loud? Idk what you just said

[tall echo]

Heh fun

I love time

[sly ibex]

Eternalism being what it is, that means at least one universe would have figured out how to use the Void to go to other timelines. Possibly a very warlike universe...

[restive river]

Can you make a video about it with some baseless theories too?

[tall echo]

Call 'em time lords

[stiff fable]

And now you understand Soulframe

[restive river]

Hey maybe that’s the next arc!

[stiff fable]

https://tenor.com/view/wheeze-laugh-gif-14359545

[sly ibex]

Soulframe is not Eternalism for Warframe. Devs already said they're not related at all.

[lean garden]

And now the very fun part about it: absolutely no one has made a proper transit between universes

[restive river]

Eternalism is not multiverse

[tall echo]

I too vibrate violently when I laugh

[lean garden]

Not even drifter

[stiff fable]

Correction, they said it wasn't connected story wise

[sly ibex]

Eternalism would have to mean someone has.

[restive river]

Okay but is wukong in pubg canon and prove eternalism to be real

https://tenor.com/view/warframe-gif-25182100

[sly ibex]

[tall echo]

Is it canon that the lotus got deleted by a beam of light for a moment when ssbu released

[restive river]

[lean garden]

Eternalism, specifically warframe's eternalism, never really dictated that everything was possible

[stiff fable]

People still can't fly by flapping their arms

[restive river]

Is the Lotus being in smash bros canon?

[stiff fable]

Oh absolutely

[restive river]

[tall echo]

As a spirit

[lean garden]

The magic thing is, unless proven otherwise, this might just be a thing thats not possible to occur

[sly ibex]

If every decision means both outcomes happen, theoretically that should be the end result.

[restive river]

Ye

[tall echo]

That evolves into natah

...how did I forget about that spirit.

[restive river]

Pokemon is canon to warframe…

How did i not

[lean garden]

Both possible outcomes

[tall echo]

I saw natah before even knowing about wf

[stiff fable]

https://tenor.com/view/kirby-anime-firing-shooting-gun-gif-16579464

[lean garden]

If it is impossible then it can not happen

[stiff fable]

Look Kirby joined Scaldra

[restive river]

Eternalism doesn’t make the impossible possible
It makes the possible possible

[lean garden]

Possible²

[stiff fable]

Eternalism must be true

[restive river]

He should eat Wally

[stiff fable]

Wouldn't be the weirdest thing

[tall echo]

I'll be having a mini existential crisis about this for the next few minutes

[sly ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/nintendo-suing-sue-nintendo-on-their-way-to-speedrun-super-mario64-gif-25733963

[tall echo]

Eating gods is kinda his thing

[tall echo]

A mod posting a meme feels illegal somehow

[stiff fable]

mods delet this

Anyway at the PAX stream they said they'd been sitting on Oraxia for two years

[tall echo]

How is she not as flat as paper yet

[stiff fable]

What else have they been hiding? We need to watch every stream and see what makes them twitch

[sly ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/the-office-mexican-standoff-finger-guns-michael-scott-dwight-schrute-gif-15805326

Oops, wrong one.

[tall echo]

[sly ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/xx-ron-swanson-i-have-a-permit-i-can-do-what-i-want-parks-and-recreation-gif-15660350

That's the one I wanted. 😛 But no, we do also follow the rules. 😄

[restive river]

I’m late but
This is where mom went after the sacrifice

[restive river]

Real

[stiff fable]

hahaha

If DE were still talking to Nintendo about this stuff she'd get a second upgrade to Margulis

[restive river]

She’d get a third one to Ultimate Lotus

[stiff fable]

hahahaha

[restive river]

Maybe another for Eidolon
Heck a spooky one for Vampire!

Special DLC for Xaku Lotus

[stiff fable]

All the protoframes would get upgrades too

[restive river]

Heck yeah

Excal transforming into Arthur is def the pick for Warframe in smash

This is totally lore related

[stiff fable]

Fun fact: Smash came out in 1999

Amir has definitely played it

Drifter can canonically play Smash

[sly ibex]

If the Warframe universe has it, anyway.

[stiff fable]

If Back to the Future and Final Fantasy exist....

[feral cape]

It has to be possible under post symmetric physics

And given nobody has done it it must be impossible under the form of physics present in warframe

Now if other universes somehow have other forms of physics we've extended beyond what eternalism covers

[olive sandal]

the actual goal of fixing 1999 timeline is for HL3 to release

[gloomy crescent]

What is the whole story about On Lyne the Techrot band?

I wanna know more about their story

[strange plinth]

you can find a little lore about them in the pc behind/to the side of Aoi in the mall
i can't remember the wording or i'd just put that info here

[normal mountain]

They be clones
Made from Techrot

[hexed oxide]

It's basically some corporate businessman called gregory v emailing someone probably from hollvanian government about the onlyne coda clones

[gloomy crescent]

Wait so they aren’t the original members turned into techrot?

[hexed oxide]

Nope, they are clones

[normal mountain]

Nerp

[gloomy crescent]

No where are the original dudes?

So*

[hexed oxide]

I think the emails imply they are held imprisoned unless it's for public events

[normal mountain]

Safe, according to Eleanor
We don't know much more than that

[gloomy crescent]

And Gregory V is the mastermind behind all this?

[hexed oxide]

Businessmind, someone else made the clones

[normal mountain]

Eh, pretty sure Scaldra is the ones who made the clones
Greg is just the guy who volunteered the hair samples from On-Lyne

[gloomy crescent]

hmm I wonder what was the purpose on making clones

[hexed oxide]

Grofit

[normal mountain]

aside from being their manager

[gloomy crescent]

Hmm that does track

[gloomy crescent]

Side hustling I see haha

[hexed oxide]

[normal mountain]

That, and he wanted more obedient celebrities to do his bidding without acting up

[gloomy crescent]

That… makes sense

Mans trying to get his money up

I mean in a very Nef Anyo way through manipulation and deceit

But still respect

[normal mountain]

name suggests relation to SAlad, but ye

[gloomy crescent]

Oh wait you’re right

Sorry I always confuse corpus

[normal mountain]

Funny
I always confuse Grineer

[gloomy crescent]

Infectious potatoes as I call them

[restive river]

Yup, Scaldra made them and worked with their manager

And also ORO
There’s like
Some shadow government type stuff happening with Scaldra and multiple Earth governments, including Hollvania

Likely the precursors to the Orokin but unknown

[swift steppe]

either way they all bad

[restive river]

Yuppp

[normal mountain]

can we slaughter them too?
pretty please?

[restive river]

Oh I wish

We are done with 1999 atm but like
18 radiation wars happen between 1999 and the Orokin Era
So

Plenty history to potentially explore through time travel

We could in theory explore other times that are important but we don’t cause changes that alter things too much
Like how Albrecht making the Protoframes and us stopping the Nuke don’t warp things too much

[swift steppe]

18? jesus christ

cant they just calm down a bit idk?

[woven coyote]

Looks around irl
Nope doesnt look like humans can

[swift steppe]

are we cooked irl AND ingame

are we doomed 😦

[woven coyote]

Idek at this point

[swift steppe]

i hope not because i need to get yareli prime

[woven coyote]

Yarelly prime looks really pretty, also love how her syandana fits so neatly with her model

I love and fear syandanas that fit a single frame so well
Looks awsome on the one frame, but fitting it to others can be difficult

[swift steppe]

SAME omg i might die because shes too pretty and i cant play so that means i cant prepare myself to have her

im gonna burst

[woven coyote]

Deep breaths lol

[swift steppe]

yeah thats kinda sad but hey at least its pretty on the main frame

could be ugly on everything

[swift steppe]

its too hard i need her NOW ARGHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

https://tenor.com/view/warframe-excalbur-umbra-the-sacrifice-light-explode-gif-14588819

[woven coyote]

Like those old triangular cape syandanas that just look like lego capes on everything

[swift steppe]

LMAOOO FR

like why so triangular

[woven coyote]

Old limitations i'd assume, but still lol

[swift steppe]

yeah

[marble heart]

That makes me wonder if the ||indifference||, as one of our versions is in the void pocket, can get access to the void pocket version and do... something? It's a concerning thought.

[raven urchin]

The void pocket could also mean like, you being inside your own body but seeing it being controlled by other you (maybe it's the same that happens with Hex)

Quite terrifying though

[marble heart]

regardless they're still in the void which is... really bad

though it could be really cool for a dual fight scene

[humble sierra]

It's not us, It just uses our form, mimics our skin.

Oh wait I completely misread that my bad

[north jolt]

Me backseat gaming myself during SP void cascade

[restive river]

I could see it being similar to Transference but also like
Not
Like it’s not mind control or control of the body, it’s their “spot” in spacetime literally being taken by the other, they still have freedom but from the pocket

[raven urchin]

I just can't escape the feeling that Wally is always joking with us, it's a literal god, that have control in the biggest deus ex machina in Warframe universe, it's already unbelievable it's finger got captured

[restive river]

Wally did give us our powers by giving us a piece of him
So
The void pocket could come from that or could just be a result of the Operator/Drifter being a living paradox/example of eternalism

[restive river]

He is not a literal god

[raven urchin]

I can't escape the feeling that if he really wanted to kill us he would already have done it

[restive river]

He can’t?

I mean
He has tried but he has to really try to do it

He is limited at the moment, bound to the strands of khra

We cut those strands
Usually with love
And he can’t touch us

[raven urchin]

Well, that's how Drifter treats him

And I do too

[restive river]

That’s what they call him yes but that’s just because he’s powerful :p

Wally is not a god, he may seem godly but so did the Orokin.

[raven urchin]

Sorry, the Orokin are NOT omnipresent

[restive river]

Whatever he is, is not a god
Just something big, powerful and dangerous

[restive river]

Is Wally???

[raven urchin]

Oh, yes

[restive river]

Cause he can be in multiple places yes but
He is not constantly aware of things?

[raven urchin]

You sure? The trailer of the new update states otherwise

[raven urchin]

Omnicient is different from omnipresent though

[restive river]

Wally is also factually limited outside of the void to only the strands
He isn’t everywhere

[restive river]

What specifically

Cause
We know Wally is limited presently

Maybe he’s omnipresent with his missing finger, maybe he’d be closer to proper god status then (which is arguably subjective but whatever)

[glacial bough]

Wally specifically is not omni-anything

[raven urchin]

But is he though? Or is he making it seem like he is limited?

Like when you play a game with a 5 year old

[glacial bough]

He's limited, very much

[restive river]

^^^

[raven urchin]

You could crush the kid, but you don't

[restive river]

We
We literally beat him once by cutting a strand…

[glacial bough]

He can't do much with out a proxy

[raven urchin]

Cause it's funny to see it

[restive river]

He needed his Murmur, specifically the fragmented one to tether a strand
Then he can traverse it

With Duviri he will have both a proxy AND a strand

[raven urchin]

What strand? Don't got the reference

[restive river]

Wally may seem like he’s everywhere to us but that’s cause he’s constantly with us specifically
Well
All Tenno
He is present through all pieces of himself, fingers included

[restive river]

Strand of khra
Conceptually embodied timelines
The exact thing he is limited to.

It happens fast but they go over it in Whispers.

And we know there’s a strand in Duviri thanks to Thrax

[raven urchin]

Nothing is thanks to Thrax though

Since he is Drifter emotions

[restive river]

Ok yeah let’s just disregard what Thrax said cause he totally knows nothing

[restive river]

He is made from their emotions, he is not literally their emotions.

That’s not what conceptual embodiment is

[raven urchin]

Warframe used to be so much simpler

[restive river]

Apologies for the horrible quality
Was in the hospital when I took the screenshot lol

[restive river]

Eeeehhh

It’s def more complicated now but idk if I’d call old warframe simpler

[raven urchin]

It was all about a meat puppet doin war crimes until second dream came

[restive river]

Sure

[stiff fable]

During the quest he is holding on to Drifter's memories though

As represented by the reassembled doll

[restive river]

Is that what’s happening? Or was it just Drifter remembering because they started to feel and it was also tied to the doll

Which I could see that connecting to Thrax too yeah

[stiff fable]

Mostly the former, the courtiers are holding on to the emotions

Or, well, it's possible that the courtiers are reminding Drifter of the emotions?

[restive river]

I mean that’s what I had got from it

They were reminded of how they felt, the doll jogging their memory more and more

[stiff fable]

But at the start of the quest Drifter is just empty and hollow, but every time you snap a piece onto the doll you get a surge of emotion

[restive river]

Drifter just
Forgot everything because it had been so long, their memories weren’t whisked away

[forest lagoon]

because you're remembering what happened to you

[raven urchin]

The courtier are the emotions per se, while being a part of Thrax which is Drifter's conjunt of feelings

[stiff fable]

(it's actually close to how Digital Devil Saga handles it, members of the Embryon go from blank slates to developing emotions through sudden triggers)

[restive river]

The courtiers are literal interpretations of emotions getting out of control and reflect what Thrax is feeling iirc

[stiff fable]

For the actual spirals yeah

[restive river]

Ye

Like it’s their emotions getting out of hand that turns them into Orowyrms then Thrax controls them

[raven urchin]

Didn't look like Thrax were ever controlling the Orowyrms though

[stiff fable]

The actual mechanics of that aren't entirely explained, like Thrax isn't in control during the boss battle, but is still drained of that emotion at the end

The storybook metaphor is that Thrax as a child can't control his emotions, and every day one emotion starts to get away from him until it rules in his place

[raven urchin]

My opinion is like this, the courtiers are the embodiment of Drifter emotions while Thrax is the embodiment of Drifter, since Drifter was alone the void made a friend for him, himself, and when he got more and more void his emotions got alive

[stiff fable]

It's very Arthurian actually

"To whom does the Grail belong?"
"It belongs to the king! And the king and the land are one!"

But yeah I always figured that the Drifter was just so overwhelmed when the Void shields failed that trying to use the Duviri Tales methods to calm down ended up manifesting Duviri

[woven coyote]

that is implied in the final diorama yeah

[stiff fable]

The excess emotion and the cause (the memories) got offloaded into the story, leaving them able to function again, but without the tools to recover properly

Eg said emotions and the memories

[restive river]

I mean
Drifter didn’t lose their memories immediately

It happened over time
They had moments where they conceptually embodied their room
They lost their memories over time, Duviri is them because it’s made from them but it is also still that storybook

[restive river]

Thrax and Duviri would made at the same time btw
They ruled it together til Drifter grew up and wanted to leave

[stiff fable]

I don't think they did conceptually embody their room, I think it's left over from the Zariman being transformed into Duviri

[restive river]

Then it was loop after loop of them wanting to get out
Trying to do anything
Groundhog day with no escape
Til they forgot everything

[stiff fable]

Unless there's a KIM conversation I missed

[restive river]

There’s a KIM convo you missed

[stiff fable]

Whelp

[restive river]

Drifter: On Duviri, I kept accidentally summoning my childhood bedroom because I wanted somewhere to hide. (ArthurRank3Convo6 •

Once they got their memories back they got it all back it seems

Even how many times it took to ride a Kaithe

Drifter: It took me six hundred and eighty-seven loops to learn how to properly ride a kaithe. (ArthurRank3Convo6 •

[charred patio]

yeah, thats one of the things
her backroom dialogues are really cute
like how she want to dance with us on the rooftop in the rain, or paint a mural for us and such
very romantic

[restive river]

Eleanor and Kaya are def my 2 favorites
But all of the Hex are just fantastic

[blissful merlin]

Amir and Kaya might be my top 2 favs

But I’m biased as Amir is my canonical husband 😎☝️

[charred patio]

I dont know whats going on with quincy XD

he act like a tough guy
but always the easiest to flirt with
and I dont even want to flirt with him

that man fold under zero pressure

[blissful merlin]

He’s very easy to flirt with but also very easy to make mad lol

I never intentionally flirted with him, but it felt every interaction I had with him was one of those romance options so i was never sure as I wanted Amir and nobody else hehe

[gloomy crescent]

Yeah Eleanor for real

I mean I don’t mind Aoi, she seems pretty cool

Lettie is lowkey cool

[flint depot]

What is the point of the dating thing ? I really feel like I'm on the verge of dating Aoi but I'm not sure to continue on that path or not date anyone. My social anxiety is flaring up lmao

[strange plinth]

you have to build a relationship with the hex
whether that's just friends or dating, it does serve a story purpose
other than that, just for fun
chemistry can still be obtained through bounties if you want to avoid the KIM system entirely, albeit at a slower rate

[lean garden]

No point except to have someone to kiss in the new years cutscene

Otherwise just be friends and spend time with kalymos on new years

[tall echo]

He initiates flirting very early on, it's part of his character

[charred patio]

be careful cause apparently, you can trigger the dating through KIM chatting

[tall echo]

Not by accident

[charred patio]

imagine logging out of your computer and randomly see a stranger in your house

[tall echo]

It's very clearly labelled when a convo option is gonna initiate dating

[strange plinth]

there's a big "(confess attraction)" iirc for every option that does that

[charred patio]

I.... dont remember that at all

you tricked me, aoi

[brittle siren]

Wait so the new Hex member gonna have new chat soon? Or I'm remembering things wrong

[graceful swan]

Yes

Original 6 are getting new ones in

[tall echo]

Nah you only tricked yourself

[humble sierra]

Yeah I think with the Isleweaver update in June, the original Hex get 10 new chats (each?)

They mentioned it was in the later Ranks too

[raven urchin]

Have you guys ever thought how Proto Necramech looks like a Fossil? And looks like a Murmur too

Maybe Albrecht got inspiration on Wally to make the Necramech and so it's what makes it easy for Wally to possess those Necramechs in Archmedia

[gloomy crescent]

So what happened to Teshin, after Erra you know crushed his head???

[strange turtle]

He survived and when he went through the void portal fell into Duviri, where the Joy Spiral woman took care of him

[gloomy crescent]

So he is alive? Good to know

[graceful swan]

Albrecht didn’t make the mechs

[strange turtle]

The Entrati you’re thinking of is Vilcor/Father, not Albrecht

[hexed oxide]

were these things always here ? (from netracell)

[graceful swan]

Yes

[sly ibex]

I feel like it has more in common with the Dark Sector stuff. That's what it was based on, hence the name. There are 2 kinds of Protos now. The ones based on DS (like that Nechramech skin), and the 1999 stuff.

[heady quest]

indeed

crazy to see so much foreshadowing

[heady quest]

do we have any Wisp lore?

cause i was rewatching the prime trailers and it appears ballas made wisp as a terraforming frame (like the nature of Tau) and they were sent to Tau but the sentients then killed the original Wisps. And that is why we get Wisp from the Propalolyst.

like that whole trailer looks like it was wisp creating like sentient-like Bioforms on Tau and then the Sentients came and attacked her.

like she was creating Nature for Tau

[restive river]

The Sentients already terraformed Tau before the Old War started iirc

[heady quest]

wait that is true actually yea

nvm me then

[restive river]

Idk if there’s concrete wisp lore
But there should be cause she’s cool

Like why she got a direct portal to the sun?
Why is she ghostly?
Why the flowers?
She’s very. Trickster-fairy-will o wispy

Tbh I could see something akin to her being in Soulframe 👀

[heady quest]

it just came to my mind cause Ballas started first talking about him having a vision of Tau and new Earth and was like: i need to go their so i need to terraform that place so maybe that Wisp was like a prototype of something that can do that?

[restive river]

Maybe?
Her abilities don’t really scream terraformer unfortunately

Like she makes flowers sure but
The rest of them don’t really work

[heady quest]

yea cause like then i was like... If she is supposed to create nature on Tau then it makes sense for her to have a portal to the sun. But the actual ability is like the maximum of that portal and instead she just usually barely shines light for the plants she creates.

[heady quest]

But it is like not really organic plants. Like what if the orokin made Tau in a way that isn't quite organic but more sentient-techy-like so that potentiol future pollution and toxins don't affect lush greenery. Then it would make sense she can gather the souls of the sentients and make plants out of them. Or breach surge, being like the same orb things which she can control .

[restive river]

Maybe she was made to be a backup terraformer of sorts, like Ballas expected them to win and in the process damage what the sentients had made so they needed a new terraformer
So
Wisp could do both, fight and terraform maybe?

[heady quest]

If i was an orokin and saw that Earth was dead, I would find a way to create wildlife that isn't affected by the constant consumsion of resources.

[heady quest]

yea that is actually interesting... mmh

[restive river]

It’s more so Earth was ravaged by infested iirc

Or the
Big aah forests everywhere idr

[heady quest]

yea that is also a bit true. I guess it is more like what happened on Lua. First a lush paradise and then a barren over populated wasteland

[restive river]

As for Tau
We don’t know how it was terraformed, yes the sentients were programmed but. They became sentient, they made it their own, their home, so I do wonder how much of the Orokin influenced their designs

[restive river]

Wait what

When was Lua a lush paradise lmao

[heady quest]

Wasn’t Lua first a paradise? Idk maybe I am just theorising too hard

[restive river]

No?
It was the Orokin capital but that’s kinda it

I think that may be what you’re thinking of

[sly ibex]

She has lore in her Prime trailer, at least. 😄 I yet await Loki lore. q_q

[restive river]

Oh you pour soul…
Maybe we can fund the Leverian enough and he could get something!

[raven urchin]

There was no necramech in Dark Sector though, and nothing similar as well

[graceful swan]

Reference not literally DS

[restive river]

Albrecht didn’t make the necramechs

That would be father

[raven urchin]

If it's because of the texture, I don't think it's that similar to excalibur protoskin

[restive river]

It’s kinda just meant to be like
OOoooOOO it’s old

And some of it references dark sector

[graceful swan]

The word Proto in the context is a reference to DS

[raven urchin]

Ur right, totally confused since there are Necramechs inside the Laboratories

So that's it, another wrong thought

[graceful swan]

Father made them as a gift for Albrecht

[restive river]

Minus the Protoframes themselves
Which
Even then they are a homage to dark sector

Like there’s a reason dark sector exists in-universe as a book/movie

1999 is very dark sector while still being Warframe

Like
The Proto items :)

[graceful swan]

1999 is a homage to DS in of itself

[restive river]

Which is why they gave it away for free with 1999 :)

[raven urchin]

We don't know how the technocyte came to be though, it may be because of Dark Sector's events

[graceful swan]

DS events aren’t canon to Warframe anyway

[raven urchin]

It wasn't, but people change their minds

[graceful swan]

Minus the Movie and Novel that will never release

Techrot really be slowing down production

[restive river]

Well the novel already did, no?

[restive river]

DE have said it isn’t canon
So
It isn’t until they specify otherwise
Which. They haven’t and 1999 would have been the exact time to do so

[graceful swan]

True that probably did as that doesn’t really need people to be directing unlike the movie

[restive river]

Darksector isn’t canon beyond being a piece of fictional media
Which
It can’t be canon AND a piece of fictional media at the same time, or rather it’s very unlikely

[restive river]

It def gave the vibe of the novel inspired the movie

[graceful swan]

As is often the case

[raven urchin]

I think if they have a Hayden Tenno surprise in store, they could be hiding all information on canon references between games

[restive river]

Which
Iirc Dark Sector takes place in 1987 and sometime during the 2000s
So
After 1999. So. No.

[restive river]

They’ve made references before and that’s all it has ever been
Dark Sector isn’t canon nor can it work within the canon afaik

[graceful swan]

Tenno in Warframe even has a different meaning to Hayden Tenno

DE make references to past works but separate them

[restive river]

They’ve said it isn’t canon
In universe it’s just a piece of media
And afaik it wouldn’t even fit?
So. No, Dark Sector is not canon

[restive river]

Heck we got a reference to one of their scrapped games recently out of nowhere

[raven urchin]

Relax ma'an, you too stressed

[graceful swan]

Even Steve said that Soulframe will have references to Warframe but separate universe

[restive river]

Yeah

Will that stop people from trying to connect them?
Unfortunately not

[raven urchin]

Which one :0?

[graceful swan]

Is that even legal considering it’s a scrapped project?

[restive river]

Idr the name of their other scrapped game but uh. That woulda happened too lol

[restive river]

Maybe?

[restive river]

I’m spacing on the name but lemme see if I can find it

[raven urchin]

I wish Amazing Eternals had become a Conclave Mode

[restive river]

Lmao found it immediately

Yup, Amazing Eternals

We got the spaceman as a tiny floof recently during tennobaum

[graceful swan]

I wonder why DE cancelled it

[restive river]

I can GUARANTEE you that people would try to connect it to Warframe lmao

[raven urchin]

Too many TF2 games, like overwatch, paladins etc..

[restive river]

Lack of interest and Warframe was more successful/needed more attention

Which
Yeah.
Only recently have they had the time and resources to even attempt another game and tbh it was smart to have Soulframe on the same engine
Make an update to one and the other can get it in time too

[graceful swan]

I just thought DE made some 1999 toys because one of the Hex mentioned astronauts and it was calling back to that

I think they scrapped it before I ever watched Tennocon or played Warframe

[restive river]

It mostly is but the spaceman is the one from eternals

[raven urchin]

Possible, Amazing eternals is 2017

[graceful swan]

I should build a machine so I can drag him out of the dead AE universe and bring him into ours

[raven urchin]

DE should release the space suit of Amazing Eternals as Drifter clothes

[graceful swan]

I started 2019 and my first Tennocon was the one with Hydroid don’t think I actually watched the 2019 one because I started September

[devout bison]

How many Bluey long arms have we met so far

Oh I forgot about the necralisk

And Nigel

Nihil

[lean garden]

Like personally? or like the ones we know exist

[devout bison]

Who exists and has been introduced to the player

[proper barn]

Most of them are dead

99%

[strange turtle]

Albrecht
Mother
Father
Son
Daughter
Grandmother
Nihil
Ballas

[proper barn]

Also they don't have to blue arms or even be blue they just want to.

[proper barn]

Tuvul

[strange turtle]

We never met him but we know of Tuvul(?) and the guy who was such a glutton he had a bunch of floating stomachs

[proper barn]

Tuvul you can hear him talk

In the Zariman.

[strange turtle]

Yeah

[lean garden]

The Seven/Executors:
Ballas
Nihil
Tuvul
Aventus
Karrish

The Entrati:
Albrecht
Dagath/Grandmother
Euleria/Mother/Gomaitru
Father/Vilcor
Daughter/Kaelli
Son/Kermerros

[proper barn]

Tuvul but yeah.

[devout bison]

i want more freaky orokin forms

[strange turtle]

There’s also the Grineer Queens, they were Orokin, though their status wasn’t great since they were twins and Orokin don’t like that. It’s arguable if they count since I don’t think we even know their names but also the Orokin couple who had a relationship with Dagath

[devout bison]

didn't the grineer queens use kuva to put themselves in the rotting grineer bodies from their original orokin bodies

[strange turtle]

Ok checking the story again they do have names, Corphel and Irilia

[strange turtle]

Yeah

[graceful swan]

You missed the Twin Queens

[lean garden]

Right those goobers

[stiff beacon]

is it possible to tell which one is which

[woven coyote]

Those are the names of the couple from the dagath story not the queens

[stiff beacon]

Ah

Right shit

[gloomy cloak]

I'm starting to suspect that void traces are a joke Albrecht made up

or maybe Wally

Laughing in void tongue as I open my 10th radiant resurgence relic and still only getting common rewards

[graceful swan]

RNGesus actually

[restive river]

Are they a part of dualism or the vain faith?

[graceful swan]

Both depending on your religion still same RNGESUS

[gloomy cloak]

I believe in RNGesus, but they don't believe in me

[raven urchin]

Wally is Rngsus and no one is gonna prove me wrong

[hexed oxide]

Is there lore for the relics ?

Like, yeah before opening them they are everything and nothing. But where do they come from ?

[woven coyote]

Besides what ordis says when you install the segment pretty sure no

[silk atlas]

They come from being old.

[sly ibex]

I think they are Orokin creations.

[proper barn]

what minion said orokin creations. they are actually eterlism cuz they are all the options until you open it.

[normal mountain]

More quantum superposition

[proper barn]

until you look open the box it could be anything.

[unreal robin]

Do we know what materials the Zariman was made of?

[restive river]

Matter
Stuff
Probably a metal or two

[silk atlas]

Possibly a thing

[woven coyote]

It was surely made

[lilac aspen]

Yep, sure is

[dense salmon]

Titanium probably

[feral cape]

The box contains a quantum superposition until you observe the inside of the box it can be any of the listed probabilities

They say the contents of a Relic are simultaneously this thing, or this thing, or this thing, but also that thing and certainly never just one thing. That is until it's exposed to a Void Fissure? And at that point, all the possibilities collapse, each one falling away until the Relic cracks open and exposes one, singular thing.

[old dome]

...so quantum statistics, basically.

-# my beloathed.

[junior hornet]

Relics work because I open them

🧐

[sudden atlas]

Question- is the 'cephalon pet toy' in the orbiter decor store meant to be a toy for cephalons or designed to look like one? not sure if this is lore but close enough

[normal mountain]

Thought it was designed by Cephalons
Been a bit since I've looked in there though

[sudden atlas]

oh that never crossed my mind! thanks

[proper barn]

It's ordis

What do you mean?

[sudden atlas]

not the floof

the spinning d20 thing

[proper barn]

Oh you mean

Probably made by one.

[lilac aspen]

Oh
So it literally is “Sure is” when asked what’s in there.

[proper barn]

Until you open it

[candid belfry]

2 tellurium and like 3 Ferrite

Maybe a alloy plate if you want to be daring

[chrome rivet]

Bro. Helping Minerva and Vel get together is harder than trying to woo Lettie

What the hell?

[restive river]

Considering how geometric it is I’m inclined to say
Made by or in the visage of a Cephalon

[restive river]

I wooed her first try what lmao

Just be respectful and don’t be rude
And
Talk to Quincy

[chrome rivet]

The point is

I fumbled Minerva and Vel's marriage counselling

Geez. I thought them both being adults means it to reason wit them

But nooooooo

Now I feel bad if I leave them be, but I don't want to reset after everyone else had their good endings

[restive river]

You gotta be neutral and play both sides evenly

[humble sierra]

And also assertive

Don't just go "awww I'm sure you guys once loved each other, why can't you do that anymore?"

[raven urchin]

In the mean time here I am just wishing I could make them get together between themselves

https://tenor.com/view/kiss-love-doge-amor-shiba-inu-gif-24038713

[proper barn]

Do you want to have the like Kim simulator thing?

[chrome rivet]

That's a thing???

[proper barn]

Yes.

I'll DM you @chrome rivet

[fallen oxide]

It was actually very easy for me

I just had to crash out on then some times

Now Kaya was extremely strange, i feel like i didn't actually developed anything with her, It just ended extremely fast

[chrome rivet]

Definine crashing out on them

[fallen oxide]

Calling both of them idiots, telling minerva to shut up and velimir to grow up

Somehow that worked pretty well

[chrome rivet]

Damn. Really?

I tried playing the reasonable guy between them

Turns out I have to be pissed on them all this time lol

[fallen oxide]

Not ALL the time

You just need to make minerva remember the good ol' days, be funny with velimir

But you also need to remember minerva about how velimir is also having to feel the grief of losing his only daughter

[hybrid silo]

Lorewise what is the goal for ETA and EDA? why do we do it?

[fallen oxide]

EDA is for exploring the deepest parts of Albrecht laboratories while we defeat the murmur

ETA is for us to fix the anonalies in the 1999 timeline while we try to discover anything about neci

[tall echo]

TA: if you rewind the tape too much it ends up getting damaged. TA is there to fix the damage

[tall echo]

That's normal

[hybrid silo]

What is TA

[tall echo]

ETA minus the E

You know, the base version

[fallen oxide]

Teens are so strange

[charred patio]

can the game override who you date?
or once you select one, you can progress as much as you want with the others but they wont replace your current partner?

[hexed oxide]

you have to actively choose who to date, once you ask someone out you can't date any of the other 5

[charred patio]

perfect

[hybrid silo]

How old are we? As the operator and drifter?

I feel like operator is maybe in their teen years while drifter probably be like 20 or 25 years old.

[sage moat]

I mean

By technicality both are hundreds if not thousands of years old

But going off mental maturity, drifter is anywhere from like 20-70 or alternatively 9000000000 and it all depends on your headcanons. My drifter is relatively young, I know some with drifters in their 50s or even higher. And whether drifter "matured" during the death loop is a whole philosophical can of worms

Operator is simpler. Mid teens probably. 16 is a safe bet. Add the cryogenic sleep if you'd really like but that's just spacial age. Physically and mentally? Almost certainly mid teens

Now the operator also might have developmental issues taken from the trauma of being a child soldier and probably has some identity issues too given the whole second dream bits. But ignoring possible developmental trauma, mid teens

[graceful swan]

The Old War was 1000+ years ago

[sage moat]

How do we know that? I thought the timescales were pretty vague

[graceful swan]

"You could live a thousand years and never wake to a face like hers. I slept a thousand and look what I got. What do you think? A career con like her and an old Dax like me?"

Varzia fought with us in the Old War

[sage moat]

Gotcha, ok

Thank you! Didn't know that

[graceful swan]

The Orokin Empire is presumed to have been a thing for 10k years

[sage moat]

As a world builder that really hurts me

But it makes sense for sounding impressive

[tall echo]

Empires can last a while. Futuristic empires even more so

[graceful swan]

Continuity
Cryopods
Whatever Loid was in

Orokin had ways of keeping people alive

[silk atlas]

Welcome to game development, gotta draw the line at some point at fleshing out the details to actually get to the stuff people will see and engage with.

Some of the game's story even goes out of its way to show that the timeframes don't matter a whole lot, see: everything about 1999.

[sage moat]

All correct

However!
10k years is a lot
And that is funny because the orokin do not have 10k years of tech. But given how restrictive their culture was, it could make sense. They were in a 10k year dark age, basically

[viscid scroll]

How long has it been since orokin fell

[graceful swan]

Well you see

Old War also meant they had to divert resources to war effort

[tall echo]

Roughly 1k years if varzia can be trusted

[hexed oxide]

what's the deal with albrecht's coffin ?

[tall echo]

What about it

[graceful swan]

The one in Duviri or his Time Machine?

[hexed oxide]

didn't know the one in duviri, i mean the one in sanctum

what was it for ? faking his death while he travelled to 1999 ?

[viscid scroll]

What happened to earth?

[marble heart]

finger was a stroke of luck too;-;

[tall echo]

Just a time machine

[tall echo]

Pollution and at least 18 radiation wars

And then along came zeus the orokin

[raven urchin]

Take Hyrule as an example, in Breath of the Wild the kingdom has fallen and revived a lot and they are still medieval with little futuristic tech

[viscid scroll]

Is there a mention of orokin empire being unstable?

[lean garden]

unstable in what sense

[viscid scroll]

As in being like this

[silk atlas]

I don't think Hyrule was "unstable" either

A single bad war can screw a civilization hard.

[lean garden]

Imagine 18 rad wars

[viscid scroll]

Idk hyrule but often mini dark ages

[lean garden]

But wait also what is 10k years of tech

whats the metric here

[lean garden]

Actually lemme bring Pope back in

what is the metric for 10k years of tech

[heady quest]

I mean they were technologically so advanced and they kinda just developed a high class culture. Anything below was a workforce so. It isn’t as much as a dark age, they just were at a limit. Some people had lived for thousands of years and like the story of Cephalon Suda, memory became dull and stale. Then Albrecht came along, gave them the vision of the Stars and Tau and then the old war came, sentients taking control of all their tech and they had to revert back to more primitive stuff. That is also the reason the Orokin became more Futuristic medieval.

[viscid scroll]

Tbh humans couldve reached a poinnt at which they weren't as motivated to invent and grown stagnant

10k years is a lot tho

[heady quest]

But you gotta understand they were masters at science and they could do anything ( Terraform Venus, making Solar Rails between planets, literally turning the whole entire moon into a capital planetary city)

[lean garden]

Because nigh-magical bio-engineering, guns that shoot black holes, towers hidden in what is essentially a space-magic dimension, highly adaptive terraforming robots, hell turning venus cold in some areas, is like wow!. So whats 10k years of tech supposed to look like compared to that?

[viscid scroll]

For 10k years that isn't thst impressive

[heady quest]

They were so advanced they couldn’t be beaten or gone extinct because no other race rivalled the Orokin. Only their own actions did.

[lean garden]

but what metric are you using?

[heady quest]

And so the Orokin just kept existing

[viscid scroll]

When does the 10k frame start

[lean garden]

Like how do you determine if it isnt impressive for 10k years? What does 10k years look like?

[sage moat]

Consider that we went from the Roman empire to modern day in 1/5 of that time, and there was a dark age in the middle there where little scientific progress was made

[lean garden]

You cant keep repeating "it aint like 10k years" ad nauseum and not tell me what 10k years look like

[viscid scroll]

Idk how to put this into detail but if you look at like late medieval up to now and the technological progress 10k would probably be enough to do far more

[sage moat]

But, as I said. It makes sense the orokin would be a bit slower. And also we just in the past like 500 years hit an inventive and scientific boom of INCREDIBLE proportions and it might be incorrect to think we're gonna keep advancing at this rate

[lean garden]

but this arbitrarily assumes that technological progress is inherently a y=b^x curve

where the rate of advance increases to infinity

[viscid scroll]

Well that's why were talking about them being innefective

[heady quest]

Well if we look at our history (we are only 10k years on this planet) a hell of a lot has passed, countless people extinct, many places gone. So hearing one futuristic race has existed for that time might sound absurd. But then again like I said the Orokin could have been on a limit this whole time, nor really advancing and not really regressing

[lean garden]

that does very little in telling me why I should treat progress like that kind of curve

[sage moat]

Yep! Maybe anti-grav tech takes 5000 years on its own! The internet didn't take long to get going but maybe we're in an exception irl

[silk atlas]

We're already hitting a cap with our computer chips' physical capabilities right in this present day because the laws of physics are sadly a thing.

[viscid scroll]

When does thw 10k orokin years start

[lean garden]

'xactly! Progress is not at a constant rate

[sage moat]

Took us a few thousand years to learn farming. Maybe it's a bell curve. Societies hit a bit technological boom then mostly stagnate

[viscid scroll]

Is that the whole human progression time or just the orokin

[lean garden]

and we are only now barely being able to scrape proper bio-engineering

who's to say that the orokin's insane control of biology isnt what "10k years" looks like

[viscid scroll]

Bio engineering has existed for how long?

[stone onyx]

Eleanor once says that the timespan between 1999 and the Drifter's birth is long enough that stars moved places.

[lean garden]

not drifter's birth, just their memories, but thats a moot point since the time drifter's been alive shouldnt be able to move stars further between when they are born and now

[heady quest]

I wouldn’t say barely, we already have good protocols for making stuffs. It’s just in this day of age, the distribution of technologies are a problem. SO many techs are being invented, it’s just that no one knows about that

[lean garden]

I would say barely compared to what the Orokin do on the regular

like we just figured out the wonders of telling your antibodies to gang up on cancer cells that still have your body markers!

[heady quest]

We are already able to change DNA for our own gain, we have been doing that for 20 years now, but it is only in lab environments and not daily life

[lean garden]

But again, its not remotely close to what the orokin are capable to do

like they've done so much editing that the orokin have a different physiology

[viscid scroll]

I don't think you realize how enormous of a time frame 10k years is

[heady quest]

What the Orokin are doing is this stuff in daily life, I wonder if their evolution is not necessarily inventing new tech, it’s just making that tech portable for the normal humans being

[lean garden]

that we know they have to repeatedly apply to someones stolen human body

[lean garden]

I dont think you realise that progress doesnt progress consistently nor constantly

[heady quest]

I just like that the fact the Orokin existed for 10k can induce this very interesting topic of debate on how that could be or work

[viscid scroll]

I realize that, that's why im curious why their progress moved at the pace it did

[lean garden]

there was a whole 18 radiation wars

in 2025 irl we know just one would screw us all

[heady quest]

Lol yea I forgot about the radiation wars

[lean garden]

Sorry, at least 18

we only know how the 18th ended

we dont know if there were more

[heady quest]

Wait it could also be entirely possible the Orokin didn’t start like this advanced and just worked their way up and what we see is just the very end of it or just before the Old war

[sharp acorn]

Let's start another one

[silk atlas]

There's also the fact that producing anything in a lab setting isn't a good marker for progress. It took over a hundred years before lightbulbs even became commercially viable. Making things easy enough for the common people (or even just the moderately wealthy aristocrats) to get is where progress shines.

[lean garden]

we've been putting people in space/on the moon for the past 60ish years and space travel isnt even commercially available to the average person

gotta be a rich doodoo to do that

[silk atlas]

This isn't even getting into the political issues developing tech faces...

[lean garden]

barring tech races, its the gatdamn bureaucracy!!!

[restive river]

I mean technically humanity has been doing that for much longer outside the lab-

[heady quest]

If only in our world there could be a giant race of long armed people that can control us and give us tech to solve all our problems 👀

[restive river]

Chat
Destroy this Orokin sympathizer/propagandist

[heady quest]

NOOOOOoooooo………….

[hexed oxide]

i mean...

if orokin dna tampering could let me grow a prehensile tail, i would

[restive river]

I mean
They didn’t really share their tech with civilians, they used it to take control and oppress everyone else

[hexed oxide]

ok maybe exclude the caste system out the idea

[raven urchin]

I have to stop myself there from thinking how are the genitals of the Orokin

If people go crazy about implants nowadays, what bioengineers wouldn't do having the tech

[plush phoenix]

some of you guys lowkey need to get a job

[raven urchin]

I'm in mine right now

[restive river]

Ballas after the Sacrifice: 🕳️

[restive river]

I’m in recovery after a major surgery
Warframe lore is a wonderful distraction

[plush phoenix]

hope your recovery goes well, im having a big surgery in a few months so i feel for you. im glad it will be done but not looking forward to recovery

[restive river]

Goodluck!
And thank you!

[raven urchin]

The Entrati Family

Be well fam @restive river @plush phoenix

[past halo]

I wonder how Eleanor got the thought of turning a broken scooter, a boombox, and a pair of power drills into Infested tools of mass destruction

[hexed oxide]

pretty sure it wasn't her, it was probably her finding things affected by techrot

or my headcanon, the techrot is trying to gift her things it believes would make her want to break up with me

[restive river]

I believe it is just thanks to her connection with the techrot, not her making them

[tall echo]

False hydra is worse

[silk atlas]

What the hell are you talking about?

That's not a thing

[tall echo]

What isn't?

[restive river]

What?

[graceful swan]

What is a thing

[tall echo]

What is a man

A miserable little pile of secrets!

[sage moat]

A featherless biped

[sly ibex]

[normal mountain]

Featherless biped
What an odd insult
I'm going to have to figure out how to best use this

[silk atlas]

It's not an insult, it was a definition of "man" that Plato gave, to which Diogenes plucked a chicken and ran it through Plato's Academy to show how stupid the definition was.

[tall echo]

Plato then added more details to the definition though iirc

[feral cape]

Average diogenes shenanigans

When zeno declared movement didn't actually exist diogenes in retort walked out of the lecture

[sly ibex]

Let's get back to discussing Warframe. 😛

[valid pewter]

between new war and 1999 were the drifter and operator both active in the origin system, using warframes doing bounties and such? both are present in the beginning of 1999/kalymos, so did they both live on the orbiter and do tenno stuff? or did the drifter just go somehwere else?

[valid pewter]

oh ok cool, ty ducky <3

so could the operator manifest in hollivania? or is that somehow drifter exclusive?

[silk atlas]

Probably but that's what Wally wants so no reason to bother trying

[tall echo]

Too dangerous

[woven coyote]

Lotus touches on why not with a pole as wide as saturns rings, as she usually does

[chrome rivet]

Considering the crazy stuff that some Warframes that have their backstories revealed, Volt can do crazy stuff like this in lore right?

https://youtu.be/vqdCD2gnYZY?si=-mjxAkD7LJlaURhO

[old dome]

we dont know how powerful the frames are, exactly...

[chrome rivet]

Well, Inaros can cause sandstorms large enought to scare away Orokin ships

[rotund tinsel]

The jade memory feathers never fails to make me tear up abit

[somber obsidian]

Yo bro. We literally have lore on atlas smashing a world ending meteor by punching into atoms.

Then gauss can literally run at LEAST enough to break the sound barrier

Most abilities from warframes are similar to what we have in game

But slightly tuned

Also mods and arcanes are canon so

[lean garden]

Woah there

Thats a bit of an exaggeration of what happened

[somber obsidian]

I mean.

Shhhhh

[blissful merlin]

[somber obsidian]

I do like how atlas’s punch is called LANDSLIDE.

😭

@lean garden in terms of saving planets who did the best

Gara Inaros Atlas uhhhh

Who else did.

Uhhhh

I think it’s basically just those two

3*

Not sure if you’d consider gara blowing herself up saving earth but

[proper barn]

Well she saved the unum

[somber obsidian]

Actually I’d say so since sentients are quite a threat

[blissful merlin]

“Actually he had the help of his rumblers” 🤓☝️ (I know that’s basically still atlas but I’m mainly being sarcastic here lmao) and then he struck the final blow, destroying the asteroid into dust
need an animation of that…the impact frame would be wild I’m sure

[somber obsidian]

Would you say sentients are a planetary threat

[proper barn]

The unum who I am convinced is the one that makes sure everything that good happens happens

[somber obsidian]

I’d say sentients are about as threatening as the infested are

[proper barn]

I mean if that Sentient beat the unum it would have be able to repair its reproduction function and like taken over the whole system.

[somber obsidian]

A bit more since they can actually move between planets

[somber obsidian]

[proper barn]

Like reminder the system was only invaded by 1 main Sentient and his kids and they all where scared from the Void.

[somber obsidian]

All of sentients vs All of infested who wins

[proper barn]

Like no counter attack ever worked Into the tau system.

[proper barn]

Sentients maybe. If the Infested found a way to infect them it could be more even.

[proper barn]

@somber obsidian have you read the mag prime codex?

[somber obsidian]

Yeahhhhhh

Probably

I also probably forgot.

[proper barn]

Do you know whats in it?

[somber obsidian]

I doubt it was very important to me if I forgot so tell me

[proper barn]

Anyway it's during the old war it's a invasion of tau

[somber obsidian]

Oh thoseee

[proper barn]

Cus the solar rail worked for most of the war lmao.

[somber obsidian]

Yeah there’s a few like that right?

[proper barn]

What do you mean?

[somber obsidian]

Old war entries

[proper barn]

We haven't ever fought any new Sentient.

[somber obsidian]

I mean the text

[proper barn]

We only have fought remnants of the old war sentients.

[proper barn]

Oh this is the only one talking about invading tau.

They get immediately blasted.

[somber obsidian]

You sure? I swear there was more on old war junk

Or are you being specific to just invading tau

[blissful merlin]

Is using a solar rail pretty instant travel? Or do they see the same void tunnel we do in railjack before exiting?

[viscid scroll]

Are there sentients on tau?

[proper barn]

Yes that's where they live.

[viscid scroll]

I know but like a functioning society?

[proper barn]

Okay the RJs are actually faster cuz you can use them at all time. Also the RJs are the only ship with the finger drive left. Solar rails need 1 at each end and only one ship can use it at a time.

[proper barn]

Yes.