lore-discussion

[graceful swan]

She says a kid is still a kid

[rotund tinsel]

Even if the kid was trained to kill and use the Geneva convention as a checklist

[graceful swan]

Geneva Convention only applies to earth

[normal mountain]

That's what she replied to, tbh

[rotund tinsel]

I remember,it was one of the things that locked me out of dating her my first year

[normal mountain]

Oof

[rotund tinsel]

Or so I was told because I went for Aoi before I could confirm

[normal mountain]

I don't remember if it locks you out at all (don't think so), but it is difficult to tell at times
I do remember that if she compares you to Arthur in an earlier convo, you're charcoal

[old dome]

tbf its not like they know how to be anything else that isnt child soldier...

[rotund tinsel]

I mean,fair enough,I wonder if we'll see any tenno that simply stopped being a tenno

[graceful swan]

Child Therapist
Child Light bulb
Child Deal maker

[tall echo]

As painful as any other warframe transformation

The infestation never simply enhances, it always rebuilds

[rotund tinsel]

I feel sorry for whoever was used to be the first Koumei

[graceful swan]

Is it painful cloning a Warframe?

[tall echo]

Imagine being reconstructed on a molecular scale, that's what the infestation does

[rotund tinsel]

DE should make a show based on each Warframes backstories before becoming a Warframe

[tall echo]

So just normal people

[karmic prism]

"Normal people"

[tall echo]

Warframes weren't based on the person used to make them

[strange turtle]

Child Fisherman
Child Miner
Child Midwife

[rotund tinsel]

Would be cool though,even if they just did the interesting frames like Umbra, we only ever seen him in the hospital bed

[graceful swan]

Child Guitarist

[rotund tinsel]

And even then that was him during the process

[tall echo]

Child war crime

[tall echo]

@karmic prism based on that reaction I'm guessing you somehow didn't know that

L

[strange turtle]

Arguably child music mixer too (idk the actual term) though considering what the average person’s skill with the mandachord probably is they could very well only be good enough for Soundcloud

Oh, can’t forget Child Hunter

[tall echo]

The average person's skill with the mandachord is violently underwhelming

[graceful swan]

Says the Cephalon that can't even use one at all

[tall echo]

:(

I am very capable with the mandachord

[karmic prism]

I thought they were. What about Gara prime?

[old dome]

i think the midwife thing is like. the most traumatizing for op,, right after child soldier...

[karmic prism]

What about their personalities?

[tall echo]

Nihil demanded she be glassed for volunteering, that's it

[old dome]

de really threw operator at any given situation ever...

[karmic prism]

Have you finished Flares Kim messages?

[tall echo]

Flare is an exception, not the rule

[karmic prism]

🤔

Mmmkay

[graceful swan]

Haven't thrown us at killing Parvos yet

[karmic prism]

Please

[tall echo]

Kinda did

[old dome]

...protea's quest doesnt count??

[karmic prism]

Harder next time

[tall echo]

Funny out of context

[graceful swan]

We never directly attack Parvos we just kill the Spectre of Protea

[restive river]

We do attack spectres of him but
That’s not him lol

[graceful swan]

We have only attacked him emotionally

Protea spectre dying definitely caused emotional damage

[restive river]

And we indirectly helped him (we didn’t know he needed us)

[restive river]

Nah he did not care about her lmao

He wanted a body guard, not a buddy

[graceful swan]

He even put on his old man voice

[restive river]

I hope Parvos gets some relevance this arc beyond wanting to get stuff from the labs and buying out one of the best sources of lore we’ve ever had

[graceful swan]

Considering they keep adding him to stuff he probably will

[restive river]

I wanna know if he knows how to utilize conceptual embodiment
Cause
He def has control in his void, what with making a board room and being able to move in and out of it and all

Also being able to just
See anything he wants to ig?

[graceful swan]

I wonder if that Vor line about waiting for Wally to await his joining will actually lead to anything

[restive river]

We end as we began

I hope Vor shows up this arc

Maybe giving himself as a vessel for Wally or something

[graceful swan]

Will enjoy watching Wally take him

[restive river]

I’d love for him to go into it like “YES, FINALLY” and then slowly he realizes that
Oh
This is bad
And right when he wants out Wally takes him in his entirety

[placid cypress]

Vor sounds like a Voidtongue word

[restive river]

Anything can if you try hard enough

[placid cypress]

True

[restive river]

New insult(?)
voidtongues your name

Gensi

[placid cypress]

[restive river]

Voidtongue for
Beginning or Start
Sure lol

[placid cypress]

Yes

I love it

Duk - meaning badass 😎

(Pls don't kill me alyxis is not a curse)

[restive river]

lmao thank you

[graceful swan]

Dung worm

Totally stole this from Void

Actually, I wonder if Albrecht named the requiems or if that's what they were actually called

[normal mountain]

Iirc he identified and translated those specific Voidtongue words

Also, pretty sure the requiems themselves didn't come into existence until the Kuva Lich experiments

[storm hearth]

i mean kuva and wally are somewhat connected thanks to the war withen

[nocturne obsidian]

Just a little edited image

[woven coyote]

But why in lore chat tho?

[stiff fable]

Because if you try to explain the edit you have to explain where a certain something is...

[restive river]

Spoiler seems more fitting but
Yeah

[lean garden]

High doubt, zariman audio specifically mentions requiems

Specifically in oro works

"Welcome to Oro Works. Unseal only those Requiems you are authorised to recite."

Additionally, albrechts shtick was already there in deimos before the lich even appeared so

[junior elk]

||so can the drifter just rewind time as they choose?||

[proper barn]

We don't know.

[junior elk]

inb4 we find out the drifter just has plot armor lol

[proper barn]

Maybe (probably not). But we could if we wanted theorizie that Drifter like was in the Void for like over 1k years.

That does something to someone.

[junior elk]

in all seriousness it would be cool if that was a genuine power they could actually learn to control and not just use in like an absolute emergency or smthn

[proper barn]

Like parvos didn't age.

And now has like specter powers.

[junior elk]

wait i thought drifter got out of the void through duviri

[proper barn]

Yes?

[junior elk]

was he stuck in the void for a while before he ended up there

[proper barn]

Duviri is the void.

What?

[junior elk]

ohh mb

i forgot the origins with duviri

ik the story is like loosely based off some book mother read as a child or smthn

[proper barn]

The Drifter died like probably over 1000 times.

[junior elk]

goddamn

[proper barn]

Mother made the book.

[junior elk]

i see

[proper barn]

Not read lmao.

She is even fhe narrator in the world.

[junior elk]

but duviri itself did the drifter just conjure it up in the void

[proper barn]

Anyone can hear her. Albretch does while he's there.

[junior elk]

tbf i think i did duviri before i even bothered to visit deimos

[tall echo]

Well an author has to read their own creation

[junior elk]

so i kinda forgot what she sounded like by then

[proper barn]

Yeah. Parvos conjured his. Wally made their own realm.

[junior elk]

we still dont know what or who wally really is do we

aside from like the representation of the indifference iirc

[tall echo]

Wally is the indifference

[proper barn]

Well okay he appeard to Albretch. Now we argue wether or not Albretch made him or if he just existed.

[junior elk]

just so we're clear is albrecht the only other person that can see wally when hes not trying to disguise himself

or can anyone that wally chooses see him

[tall echo]

Wally chooses who can see him

[junior elk]

god

thats such a troll power

[tall echo]

Maybe

Ugh internet slow

[junior elk]

iirc he showed up when ballas died with albrecht and the operator oculd see them both but the lotus couldnt right

[tall echo]

Albrecht wasn't present there??

[junior elk]

i forget if he was

i just remember that wally was

[tall echo]

[junior elk]

im guessing it was just wally then

[lean garden]

Lotus only says she saw nothing, jury is still out whether she was capping

[proper barn]

no one has seen wally not disgused. i think it would be dumb for him to have a "True form".

even the "WALL OF BONE" was still like

a verison of him.

[lean garden]

Cuz we know that the Lotus defo reacts to something in that moment, as well as her stance in lotus eaters

[junior elk]

yeah i just meant like when hes pretending to be an actual character and not just stealing someone else's appearance but then again idk if he has any "disguises" or if all his appearances are stolen aside from the man in the wall

[junior elk]

tbh i think she wasnt but who knows, it would be interesting if she was lying cuz then the question of why opens a whole new can of worms cuz what if she knows smthn abt him that we dont

[proper barn]

Drifter says he's trapped in the wall but we don't know what the wall is.

SO IDK.

[lean garden]

Not so much lying for lying's sake, but I posit that she only capped because homegirl has been through too much that day

[proper barn]

to be fair.

[strange plinth]

cy can only see "an absense" when you look at the finger in the railjack's drive
which gives a little credence to lotus's "i saw nothing"

[proper barn]

we are learning about

wally in this "Arch"

[junior elk]

fair point, for all we know she did see him and just thought she was going delirious or smthn cuz it was her first seeing it

[lean garden]

But you must also consider that natah boldly states during rolypoly that she has seen the walls other face

[strange plinth]

also true, yeah

[junior elk]

wait so prior to finding out that albrecht can see wally only drifter could actually see him then?

[proper barn]

what do you mean?

[lean garden]

Yonta clearly saw him before the accident

Baro saw wally as well

A whole host of duviri folk were also subject to see his antics

[proper barn]

Rell kept wally actually chained for like since the zariman incident @junior elk

[strange plinth]

parvos is kinda 50/50

[junior elk]

oh ok

[proper barn]

I still think Parvos's "otherworldy voice"

is Wally.

[proper barn]

this is still crazy btw.

I SAID THIS BEFORE IT WAS Like said in the PC cuz it's what they say at the end of the quest.

but the fact the Recap PC calls him the sentinels and stuff is great.

[junior elk]

i checked the wiki and damn apparently lotus and ordis just called him crazy for it 😭

[proper barn]

called Rell crazy for it? well during the quest they are like "ghosts aren't real"

Lotus wouldn't have been around for the beinging when Rell was really effected by him.

and alive.

[junior elk]

how old is parvos tho, even tho we dont really know how old wally is i kinda just assumed hes as old as the corpus empire since iirc he founded it

[proper barn]

Parvos is

old war. older even if we want.

before the sentients where around for sure. @junior elk

[lean garden]

Wally is defo before parvos forming the corpus lol

Not even including any arbitrary posturing about untime nonsense

Not even considering any "oh always been there since dawn of time" bullcaca

Albrechts encounter with wally 100000% predates the formation of the corpus

[junior elk]

do yall think the lotus ever made her own deal with wally

there seems to be a theory that she mightve even made her own deal with him at some point while lua was in the void

[dire mountain]

Possible but I don't think it would be about lua

Deimos can shift in and out of the void

Lua seems to have the same technology installed due to its importance

Just as deimos has the heart

The issue with Lua was the fact nobody was there to phase it back into the world of dust

[lean garden]

I think that theory has no good basis

Because it implies that the lotus is an oscar winning actress for the way she was denying the existence of anything like wally during chains of harrow

Its heavily relying on "I have seen the wall's other face" but doesnt appropriately determine when she's seen it

Or how

Or why

[plush walrus]

What about the guy we fight in the beginning the dude who constantly shows up in void missions talks sht then dies. He's like void now with some key or something. What's his connection to Wally? Or any info about him in the lore once he becomes void?

[dire mountain]

Look at them they come to this place when they know they are not pure have questions

Corrupted Vor's thing is in his spiel

He was cut in half, destroyed. But through the power of its Janus Key the Void called to him

It brought him somewhere and there he was reborn

[plush walrus]

Corrupted vor racist calling everyone "not pure"

[dire mountain]

Now he is changed, reborn through the energy of the Janus Key. Forever bound to the Void.

[plush walrus]

I always hear him in the void missions but not see him, then just randomly get a pistol pestilence mod

[plush walrus]

Was there any mission about the Janus key? Cause I didn't hear about it until vor said. Wasn't there a mirage mission about the void key?

[graceful swan]

The Wall of Bone awaits my joining

[dire mountain]

Anyways he is aware of the man in the wall it seems. He mentions the "wall of bone" and his flesh hardening but thats about all we know

[plush walrus]

Ok thanks. I wish de revisits these guys stories sometime soon.

[proper barn]

@dire mountain @plush walrus he has new dialog

In duviri and MAYBE has talked to wally

We don't know exactly.

[faint hearth]

i have a question. At the end of the 1999 arg did we bring wally to there or was he already there and just wanted us to know?

[proper barn]

We don't know. People have theorized that's how Wally took over Ruskla.

[proper barn]

Any other questions or ruminations?

[faint hearth]

not yet

[proper barn]

Well.

Get ruminating.

[graceful swan]

If the Whispers 1999 segment is to be believed he was already In 1999

[tall echo]

Monster hunter player detected

[raven urchin]

Old events that DE promissed to return as quest, but didn't yet

[graceful swan]

Vor is barely involved in any events. He is mentioned in Operation: Arid Fear, though no mention of his Janus key. There was an event, Operation: Gate Crash, which involved Void keys and portals (it introduced the Void sabotage mission type), but Vor wasn't involved nor was his specific key. Vor's Void key was also prominent in the GHOULS comic series, though I don't think they even called it a Janus key, and it was just useful as a Void key to activate a portal.

[stiff fable]

Wally was already there, presumably the ARG let him take over the loop (as we saw in the quest)

[gloomy prism]

... I had this really intricate crackhead theory... And I immediately forgot it...

[storm hearth]

speaking of 1999 just a small funny thing Honestly there should be a cutseane were if you have a technocyte zeke and its Aoi's birthday you convince said zeke to tell aoi in person happy birthday and then aoi give the blankest stare then goes "drifter....what the fu-" and zeke just standing there akward that would be funny

[sly ibex]

If they do manage to bring back old events as quests, I want them to also update the quests and make Stolen Dreams and The New Strange main quests again. They did such an awesome job of building up to Natah and The Second Dream! Plus introducing Maroo, and stuff.

[strange plinth]

yea stolen dreams and new strange aren't exactly vital, but they introduce hunhow in a way before his actual introduction. its cool to know that there's something big that's active
and they don't make as much sense if you do them after

[storm hearth]

like replayable? or a remaster

[tall echo]

In a way stolen dreams is still a main quest since it's needed for a junction

[sly ibex]

Wayyyyy after Second Dream, though. Wait, no. Not after at all lol. Oh, not a requirement. It's a reward for doing the Phobos junction. Ironically, it requires meeting Maroo in he relay, even though that quest is canonically our first time meeting her lol

[high bay]

A human moment: I wonder if there are any Grineer soldiers or Corpus crewmen who, in a rare moment of quiet, ask each other a question similar to the 100 people vs 1 gorilla question, before getting reduced into their base particles by a Tenno looking for plastids

“Jokket, who do you think would win, 100 crewmen, or a single Tenno?”
“I swear to grofit you have to be the dumbest crewman in this entire sector, Travidious. Just the other cycle an obelisk got cleared by a lone Tenno over the course of an hour. An hour. That’s thousands of units, all gone.”

[tall echo]

It's a requirement for one of the junctions because it needs you to talk to maroo at the bazaar, which is only possible after the quest

[tall echo]

"Who would win, one of each warframe or a billion jackals?"

[stiff fable]

crazy thing: one of Hunhow's lines during either Natah or Second Dream talks about his fears that the Tenno will try and carve weapons from Sentient bones.

There are LAYERS to that and how New War played out

[tall echo]

Huh

[tall echo]

"Mate you did that yourself why you scared of us doing it "

[stiff fable]

when they do it it's cultural, when we do it it's genocide

[normal mountain]

I'd probably call it desecration, unless Hunhow thinks we'd do that to still-living Sentients (which tbh I wouldn't put past the Orokin to do)

[stiff fable]

That's the word I was looking for actually, thank you

[weary plinth]

“Well yea, but those guys were all dumb. I bet I could take on a Tenno. I’m pretty good with a grakata.”

[normal mountain]

weren't they Corpus just a moment ago? Since when do Corpus use Grakata?

[stiff fable]

Their grand donor took it in the War

The way Allied soldiers took Lugers

[silk escarp]

which is about the only reason you see them in circulation in the civilian market

[feral cape]

This a subtle reference to the fact that destiny players are migrating to warframe as they are known to make enemies into guns

[graceful swan]

I just wanna know how Hunhow gives people weapons when he’s stuck behind glass like I know he has Stalker but he has to give them to Stalker to give to others

[stray gale]

maybe he has one of those kiosk things like bank tellers do

that go underneath the glass

[stiff fable]

Hunhow was originally a construction unit

Basically Minecraft toolset in crab robot form

[sly ibex]

This what I see listed for Phobos junction on Mars:

[stiff fable]

Of COURSE he can pick stuff up without using his arms

[sly ibex]

So you have to visit her before getting the quest. O_o

[stiff fable]

Side effect of them taking Stolen Dreams off of the required list

though it's been like that since forever

[sly ibex]

Sadness that it and The New Strange are not required before Natah now. XD

[stiff fable]

Yeah they should go back in

[sly ibex]

I am excited to see what they announce as the next big update during TennoCon. 😄

[fast ibex]

is this lore accurate?

[placid cypress]

Lmao what happened 🤣

[graceful swan]

No, it’s definitely just gameplay

[placid cypress]

[fast ibex]

Ahh too bad. It can be an alternate lore tho right?

[tall echo]

Hmm

[keen bane]

what is different to techrot and nidus if he can react to the tachrot helminth

[graceful swan]

That’s just gameplay

Nidus is still Helminth

Helminth features are gameplay

Nidus also has almost no lore

[sly ibex]

Techrot is just a type of Infestation, but every type of Infestation is still Infestation.

[stray herald]

so how did otak came to be?

you're a good miner, chip

[placid cypress]

Necraloid going crazy over time probably

[woven coyote]

2 minds one body

They are entirely separate entities but crammed into the one body

[graceful swan]

Otak is a Cephalon

[lean garden]

Otak was an archimedean, seemingly specialising in geology

[stray herald]

and how did he became a part of necraloid

[graceful swan]

Otak was placed into the Loid shell

[stray herald]

was it like a cephalon thing or?

the process i mean

[restive river]

Otak is a cephalon
Necraloid is a construct, which seems to just be similar to a cephalon

[graceful swan]

Necraloid was made to keep Loid company

Otak was placed into Loid save him

[restive river]

Necraloid is a copy of Loid

[graceful swan]

Not sure if the exact reason Otak was made a Cephalon is mentioned

[restive river]

For most cephalons it isn’t mentioned

I think we only know a handful

[graceful swan]

Ordis and Suda are the only 2 we know exact details on

[restive river]

Ordis, Suda, we can guess for Melica but eh

[stray herald]

hunter i require more efficiency

[graceful swan]

Simaris I desire your data it’s the only file missing from your databanks

[restive river]

Idek if we know why Nihil basically glassed himself
Cause
He was only in the weave

[stray herald]

so is otak aware of the weave?

he seems pretty dimwitted to know

[restive river]

All cephalons would be

[restive river]

Rude

[woven coyote]

I would imagine they are cut off to preserve the secret of their location

[restive river]

Otak was an Archimedian
He’s just been damaged and likely had precepts that mucked with him

[woven coyote]

Otak and necraloid that is

[graceful swan]

Suda wouldn’t if it wasn’t for us

[restive river]

Maybe, depends how encrypted they are

[graceful swan]

I wonder if Corpus Cephalons are separated from Orokin era Cephalons

[brittle siren]

Is any of the codex entries lie?

Because this guy said in his vid (about 16:00) said sometimes Codex outright lying
https://youtu.be/pRSRTdk7lX8?si=wu-yxfOWwzWb2-fx

[woven coyote]

Looks at username, somehow i have an inkling about who is making stuff up

But did he offer any explanation or just the old "im a youtuber trust me bro"?

[brittle siren]

He just said "some" is outright lies and not elaborate any further

He is informative though

[woven coyote]

The usual then

[graceful swan]

Was about an asteroid belt description apparently

No idea where Codex mentions that tbh

[brittle siren]

It just mercury

[woven coyote]

I can only imagine he is trying to measure the fictional wolrd by real world standards

So he sees it as a "lie" because it isnt 1:1 with irl

[brittle siren]

No he saying ingame codex said Grineer mining on natural landscape

Which is not realy true since they mining on asteroids field around it

[graceful swan]

Planets in Warframe aren’t meant to be 100% accurate to irl

Earth is literally the opposite of irl Earth minus 1999

Venus is cold

[brittle siren]

He not argue the "accuracy" of Mercury ingame vs irl

[woven coyote]

He cant read then

Transforming the natural landscape, as in transforming the asteroid into a mining base

[brittle siren]

Yeah I think he can't read

Like asteroids is still natural

[restive river]

Do they even have Cephalons?

[graceful swan]

Sark

[restive river]

Like ones they’ve made

Cause the glassing process was specifically lost

[brittle siren]

Unless those asteroids isn't natural but from "human" intervention

[restive river]

So did the Corpus make their own OR did they just steal Sark and they originate from sometime during the Orokin era

[brittle siren]

Likely stole, since the Glass technique is not mention anywhere in Corpus

[graceful swan]

Watch their have been a Cephalon black market when Nihil returned before we trapped him

[restive river]

It was also explicitly lost and I doubt the Orokin woulda shared it

[restive river]

I can see that actually

[woven coyote]

Maybe the kuva frotress would count as unnatural because it is a bunch of asteroids tied together, but the mining bases are clearly depicted as single asteroids bored into

[brittle siren]

Also enjoy the Mercury looks in New War (the skybox version suck)

[brittle siren]

That beg the question, where are those asteroids come from?

From mercury itself?

[woven coyote]

Who knows

[woven coyote]

Orokin messed around with a lot of stuff
Maybe they dragged the outer asteroid ring closer just so they didnt have to go as far

[placid cypress]

Helloo Ducky 🐤 👋

[woven coyote]

Or parts of it

[restive river]

Hellooo

[brittle siren]

I mean Mercury has metal on it, idk if the actual irl Asteroids Field has anything good to mine

[restive river]

So cool…

[woven coyote]

"How dare those mines be far from us! Lets bring them closer and arrange them artistically"

[graceful swan]

Maybe they couldn’t penetrate every single asteroid in orbit

[brittle siren]

I mean if it was the case, why so close to the sun? Mars would be the better spot, and it not like they HAVE to go from earth to the field, they literally can go everywhere in the Origin System

[graceful swan]

“These asteroids would make a fine addition to my collection”

[woven coyote]

Arrangement of the solar rails

Mercury is closer, but still not like "these workers are ruining the view" close

[brittle siren]

Behold 10 years old skybox that make no sense in WF context

New War:

[graceful swan]

I wonder why Mercury isn’t the hottest planet even though it is the closest to the Sun

[restive river]

Don’t forget the time Deimos was in Mars’ skybox when Deimos came out

[woven coyote]

We dont really know tbh
We never land on it

[brittle siren]

That could make sense
Still I think the asteroids mear Mercury is from the planet itself

[woven coyote]

Or you mean irl?

[brittle siren]

Wait which planet hotter?

[graceful swan]

Venus is the hottest

[brittle siren]

Iirc it because the full self rotation of Mercury take 170 days

So like in 170 days 1 side is so hot and other side is too cold

[graceful swan]

Actually is all of Venus in Warframe cold or just Vallis

[brittle siren]

Also it have no atmosphere

[woven coyote]

Normal missions and the updated skybox would say they are colder around weeping towers

[brittle siren]

Also the magnetic field or sth like that

I'm not an expert of these

[woven coyote]

Now you can spot more weeping towers arounds venus tileset's skybox

[brittle siren]

Ah wait Venus has atmosphere

Mercury doesn't

Which make sense that ppl are able to live in Venus

[woven coyote]

Orokin terraforming and all of that

[graceful swan]

Orokin loved Terraforming planets

I love making Corpus cold by destroying heaters

[brittle siren]

At least it not like this

[graceful swan]

That looks like a face

[brittle siren]

Yeah idk why it look so eerie

Space still terrified me

[restive river]

Even when it was in the skybox it wasn’t like that lmao

[brittle siren]

Yeah, it could've been worse

[placid cypress]

It's the Zealoid Prelate

He watches

(Fought him once and never looked back)

[restive river]

Zealoid wasn’t even always on Deimos is the funny thing lol

[brittle siren]

Ppl keep saying Sergant is the worst boss, but he just weak

Meanwhile we have Zealoid and Lephantis in high level is a nightmare to fight with

[strange turtle]

Hidden and entrenched in the mountainous peaks of Venus, the Corpus practice their industrious craft. The superstructures built here are a testament to the inventive Corpus engineers that have settled in regions where lingering Orokin technologies still moderates surface temperatures.

Presumably a lot of it’s still cold, but most of the towers and whatever else might be in place are inactive or too deteriorated

[graceful swan]

Same for Lephantis isn’t it?

Weren’t they both originally in Derelict

[restive river]

Lephantis was
Zealoid was elsewhere

[strange turtle]

Never thought about it but Heart of Deimos is probably in Stalker’s top 5 worst moments

[restive river]

I wonder what that did to Jade actually-

[tall echo]

Who the hek is saying that??

[silk atlas]

People clearly never have done Apex H-09

[tall echo]

SP zealoid is worse

[restive river]

mr -1

[silk atlas]

Lol no

[restive river]

At least the tank feels like an actual boss fight
Zealoid is just
Get lantern
Shoot
Suffer
Repeat

It’s worse because it’s tedious, not because it’s a challenge

[tall echo]

Have you tried fighting it

[tall echo]

In SP it's not tedious, it's just straight up immortal

[restive river]

LMAO

[tall echo]

When it was an anniversary alert I got into a public squad for it and we all left after it just instantly healed the 1/4th of damage we did after like 9 minutes

[restive river]

Lmao

[tall echo]

Arlo should've just tried the aggressive approach with those muckers

[brittle siren]

Revenant: allow me

[tall echo]

What's that gonna do mate

[brittle siren]

Btw this guy replied to me with this

[brittle siren]

Rev 1st ability have a very strange interaction that make Zealoid hp bar decrease abnormally

Which still inconsistent but it work

[tall echo]

Inch resting

Maybe I should give rev a chance then

[bronze field]

✂️

[sly ibex]

We are definitely on the planet Uranus. O_o

[brittle siren]

Yeah idk where he get the idea we is on Uranus moon

Skybox being outdated does not mean the codex entries is incorrect

[strange plinth]

i mean
are any of the nodes named after uranus moons?
because like
i think all of saturn's are, but the nodes are also around saturn not straight through
that seems like a weird hill to die on. we're on uranus lol

[brittle siren]

Yeap

[brittle siren]

Lato Vandal

[jaunty oasis]

Lato Vandal lore goes hard.

[brittle siren]

Some said it the real mastermind behind everything

[restive river]

I bet Lato Vandal smiled one time
Totally Wally

[dire mountain]

Old message but codex entries iirc say corpus outposts are created around cooler areas of the planet so id think its just certain areas

[dire mountain]

No he did show this on a stream I remember it

Maybe lying is not the exact right term

Just inconsistent sometimes with what we see in-game

[restive river]

There’s minor inconsistencies all the time
Just look at his own video about Mercury lmao

[dire mountain]

Thats just how video games are

Like the 1999 deer being called a "tagfer" despite that name being stemmed from "tag for disposal"

Actually tbh to an extent 2 cavia species being in 1999 is strange

[drowsy saddle]

What if albrecht was the one who named it

[dire mountain]

He didnt

Albrecht did not care enough to name any of them.

[brittle siren]

who name Tagfer btw

[dire mountain]

He did

[brittle siren]

so like
what I think is, the "Tagfer" could just be a coincidence. Because if even a deer-like creature is able to name himself that, human can too

like Argon Burger

since I think the "Argon" was just word play of "are gone"

though, @dire mountain , where did you find the Tagfer word in 1999?

[dire mountain]

The zoo

[blissful merlin]

How is it strange when this is a literal alternate earth. Their earth life could be entirely different from ours and it’d make sense since this is an alternate world from our own.

[brittle siren]

it the same Earth but in the past

also @dire mountain , where is it exactly

or you mean the upper Zoo?

[blissful merlin]

It isn’t the same earth though…

[brittle siren]

it is the same Earth

[blissful merlin]

Reb literally called this “other earth” in many interviews. This isn’t our earth. It’s warframes earth.

[dire mountain]

Yes but its strange because Loid was the one to orchestrate the smuggling of the last pair of breeding cervulites to Albrecht

[brittle siren]

where and when did she even say that?

[dire mountain]

Its not weird that they're different

It's weird that they still exist so far in the future

[dire mountain]

It is not our earth

[blissful merlin]

In many, many, many interviews. Literally just look up 1999 other earth on Google lol

[dire mountain]

Because i wasn't alive in 1999 but I think I would have heard about the technocyte by now

[brittle siren]

Is it really not our Earth, since the Coda Lich literally transferred into the future

[dire mountain]

our earth

[blissful merlin]

It’s not OUR earth. It’s warframes earth.

[dire mountain]

It is warframe's earth

[brittle siren]

I was talking ingame, we still are. Why the sudden argument change into irl?

[blissful merlin]

They don’t transfer either. They sit and wait.

[brittle siren]

Again why mention irl

[dire mountain]

Argon is a real element btw

[brittle siren]

Yes but we talking about ingame

[dire mountain]

Like yeah "haha argon = are gone"

[brittle siren]

I mean who named their burger after an element?

[dire mountain]

Its not impossible tbf

[dire mountain]

#lore-discussion message

[brittle siren]

They even joke it was too good that it gone and you don't even know it

[blissful merlin]

This is when we started talking IRL cuz it seemed you thought our earth, the one we (the players) are in is the same earth as the warframe universe.

[brittle siren]

I mean sure, but like the mentions of normal cat and dog prove that 1999 almost 1:1 copy of irl counterpart, beside some detail

[feral cape]

Argon in game is also based on the real element of argon

[dire mountain]

Not almost 1:1

[feral cape]

Right like the existence of multiple major empires that don't exist in real life

[brittle siren]

Yes I know that, you don't have to repeat it

[dire mountain]

There are things that are close but there's also a lot of things that are very different

Like the rhino

And the radiant khan or whatever mentioned

[brittle siren]

I mean it more like our Earth but changed the name and add things in to make it different. If we list everything that not the same, it will make things more complicated

[feral cape]

Arthur and Eleanor are from a fake place

[dire mountain]

Yeah British people aren't real

[brittle siren]

I thought French ppl is more fake

[tall echo]

No the french exist

Though no one knows why

[brittle siren]

So I can't find the zoo scene in Quincy shop

[feral cape]

Also doesn't Canada just not exist in 1999

[blissful merlin]

Yep lmao

[dire mountain]

Its canata

[tall echo]

There is canata or smth

[brittle siren]

It already a country in 1867 iirc

[feral cape]

I ment like

[brittle siren]

(Irl I meant)

[feral cape]

In warframe 1999

[blissful merlin]

In the warframe timeline…lmao

[tall echo]

DE really likes to not give us some tiles

[brittle siren]

I mean there tons of country not mention ingame

[feral cape]

Thats not the issue

The issue is the hypothetical Canada is an entirely different thing

[blissful merlin]

For a good reason tbh. Glad they maintain that mystery of not giving dates. Just like Destiny in that regard lol

[dire mountain]

But back on the actual topic:

It is not weird animals are different. It IS weird they exist still so far into the future however

[feral cape]

Canata

[tall echo]

It was a typo

[feral cape]

Which sounds like a legally distinct canda but that doesn't make sense because Canada isn't copyrighted

[tall echo]

You also have libertatia

[blissful merlin]

I mean I don’t think so…depends on how the environments have been for this earth. They could’ve just replicated the genes of these animals way later on just cuz…

[brittle siren]

Also Viktor use Rapior as the weapon of choice?

[tall echo]

He has a rapier

Whether it's his preferred weapon or not is unclear

[brittle siren]

He a french alright

[tall echo]

Probably isn't though because. Guns.

[brittle siren]

Well he may use it in leisure time

[feral cape]

Thats what I was thinking of

[brittle siren]

Which I doubt he have any since the loop

I wonder if any of the Hex or even Viktor has children that lived to current day

(Beside Kaya, she literally can time travel)

[dire mountain]

The orokin loved to gene edit though from what we've seen on the Orb Vallis and with Kavats and Kubrows

[tall echo]

No

Unless you mean like extremely distant descendants

But direct children definitely not

[brittle siren]

Yeah that, ofc direct children wouldn't survive

Also fun fact: Nidus Spector will have the "Infested" form when go near Helminth in the Captura

[restive river]

Canata: am I a joke to you?

[restive river]

All the places have different names except for the continents
It’s an alt Earth, alternate to ours but clearly in some ways

[restive river]

Likely no decedents
The Hex would turn into frames beyond the loop (minus Kaya who found a work around)
As for those working for Scaldra or ORO? Maybe but. No living ones now, maybe bits of their DNA about but nothing major

Russalka and Viktor’s last names are nodes so the Orokin immortalized them to some extent beyond Earth
Alternatively it’s their decedents
Which
In Russalka’s case seems unlikely considering what had happened to her, though as we know you can rewrite the past but original pieces exist
My bet is just on the Orokin immortalizing them as the names for places though, not their decedents

[lean garden]

beyond that their last names are also like mythological things so like

it dont even have to be about them

[vernal kernel]

You think the devs would ever make it so that the others could come into the future too?

[restive river]

Exacrly

[restive river]

Kaya paved the way and technically we already bring them to the future through transference
So
Yes

Though it also sounds like they may not join us for parts of this arc

They’re both needed in 1999 and whether they join us or not our love for them and theirs for us still exists

As we saw in whispers it’s the love itself that stops Wally, not two or more experiencing love

[stiff fable]

I mean. ||Temple|| does, depending on your actions.

[vernal kernel]

Also fair you think the rest could ||take the comet|| too?

[stiff fable]

totally possible

I think they prefer not getting ||Warframe'd|| though, so it's Duviri or Kaya for them

[frosty latch]

So, who is lotus, natah, and Margulis?

[gleaming sentinel]

||what happens to Sorren's kid after the quest ? After you get to name the kid||

[frosty latch]

Who is sorren?
Stalker?

[gleaming sentinel]

[tall echo]

Lotus is a mentally altered version of natah, margulis was the original adoptive mother of the tenno

[tall echo]

He keeps him

[gleaming sentinel]

There's no continuity of the story after that ?

[tall echo]

You can see him show up with the kid in the background when trading in jade motes

[frosty latch]

What happened to margulis, and how did the lotus get a hold of the tenno?

[tall echo]

It's the newest origin system story quest at the moment

[tall echo]

How far in the story are you

[gleaming sentinel]

Ah alright thanks, I just recently played the game again after a few years off

[frosty latch]

Finished it

[tall echo]

Shoulda paid more attention

Lotus/natah is a mimic sent to replace margulis after she was turned into gore and mist by the jade light for defying the orokin's demands to weaponize the tenno

[frosty latch]

Who sent her?

[tall echo]

Natah was supposed to turn the tenno against the orokin and then kill them herself, but ballas being ballas put margulis' memories into natah, which gave her a desire to be a mother to the kiddos

[tall echo]

Hunhow

[frosty latch]

Which is her father, right?

[tall echo]

Yes

[frosty latch]

So hunhow gave his daughter to ballas

Why?

[tall echo]

.

Ballas hated the orokin for killing margulis, his lover(which he could've prevented but didn't), so he allied with hunhow to kill them

[frosty latch]

But the tenno massacred the orokin in the party

Right?

[tall echo]

Yes, but lotus never killed the tenno

[frosty latch]

After the party, lotus were supposed to kill the Tenno?

[proper barn]

you can see him in the drifter camp if you buy some jade stuff from ordis.

[tall echo]

Yes

[proper barn]

@gleaming sentinel @frosty latch @tall echo WELL okay the like Acesion game mode also has more story in it but it's about parvos being a werido.

[tall echo]

Hence why I specified quest

[proper barn]

that gamemode is you basiclly taking jades ashes

out of Uranus.

[tall echo]

That god and consequently planet really suffer from modern speech

[north jolt]

Okay so I was doing temporal archimedea today and near the end of the mission, in one of those intercom messages the characters pop up in, Kaya just casually mentioned something about talking to Entrati in the void about the specifics and details of time travel, but without a whole lot of elaboration so Im kind of just sitting here like

wut

[humble sierra]

Well, Kaya did approach him first because she realized he was a time traveler

I think, if I remember the chats correctly

[tall echo]

Do you not do the KIM chats or smth

[north jolt]

I did but somehow I forgot the part where she met Entrati

[dapper bloom]

any people who know please feel free to help me with this

Eleanor said to me tonight, that we can defeat monsters if we know how they work and what they want, while talking about Wally

we still don't know what IT wants, yeah?

[stiff fable]

It wants its finger back.

[proper barn]

probably more than just that

but yeah we don't know besides that.

[lean garden]

There are many angles here

It wants its finger back
It wants to play the human game
It wants albrecht entrati
We dont know what it wants

[dapper bloom]

i ask also because what the Lotus said during Lotus Eaters

that IT wants to take the Kid

[stiff fable]

Eleanor says in another place that Wally's actively malicious, so he probably wants some good old fashioned human suffering

[left oyster]

Why does littleduck not like warframes?

[silk atlas]

She doesn't, it's that her services don't mean anything to any Tenno who don't know about ||Operators.||

[left oyster]

https://tenor.com/view/ohh-oh-damn-oh-daymn-daym-damn-gif-10129893223082536574

[chrome rivet]

Where the frick do the Grineer get all that metal to make Fomorians?

[glacial bough]

Space is huge

[woven coyote]

Spaaaaace

This message was aproved by the space core

[brittle siren]

found this meme and it related to Stalker (kinda, he's not evil though)

[tall echo]

Stalker is still very evil-aligned

[humble sierra]

Tbh there isn't really a lore reason for him to be hunting the Tenno anymore, I feel like he pretty chill with us after Jade Shadows

Maybe he's just hunting us down to get a paycheck rather than revenge for the Orokin

[blissful merlin]

I want lore on his acolytes

[tall echo]

Wannabe stalkers that were introduced in a timed event

[blissful merlin]

That ain’t enough lmao

[high bay]

This musing has probably been repeated here a number of times, how easily would a Warframe like Hildryn clean the floor with the big, friendly, giant, Jorge 052

[brittle siren]

I think It more like a habit, he is collecting stuff for his child and he saw Tenno nearby and fight

[lean garden]

Very

Like as much as the Spartan IIs were the more "powerful" of their spartan contemporaries

they werent immortal

as much as spartans have that whole "MIA no KIA" thing

theres a hundred and four ways to summer vacation in the afterlife for a spartan

Mind you a sangheli and brute regularily throws hands with spartans

[high bay]

Aiat, let’s up the ante, 1 Brute Chieftain vs Hildryn

[lean garden]

which brute chieftain

because I was only comparing throwing hands

[high bay]

Dealer’s choice, whoever you think would have the best odds

[lean garden]

cuz like, I havent including the bolshevic that is using hildryn's abilities

[high bay]

I was thinking someone like Atriox or even Tartarus

[lean garden]

Chieftains, as strong as they are, dont have immunity to burning flesh

they might get an upper hand if they can grab hildryn

and then it becomes a question of hitting her through her shields

[high bay]

Tartarus with his gravity hammer and Hildryn with a box basic 200% strength build without Blazing Pillage

[feral cape]

I dont think actually think halo gets brought against warframe much mainly because halo (outside of thr comics) is a significantly more grounded series

And I mean a vast majority of halo enjoyers only play the game

[lean garden]

and the books

the books get nutty

the books are the only things that help you understand whats the difference between Jorge-52 and Noble 6

[feral cape]

Isnt Jorge huge?

I thought Noble and chief were both Swiss army knifes

[lean garden]

Spartan 2s are generally bigger than Spartan 3s

But Spartan 3s were easier to produce than Spartan 2s

Like significantly

[dire mountain]

They'd be friends actually i think

But the answer is very

Like its Hildryn

A Warframe, someone who was infected with the helminth and powered by the dimension that allows people to do impossible things

Versus a modified guy with really good armor

[lean garden]

Who's got some stronger bones and muscles, better reflexes and smarter brain than the average hooman

vs body horror muscle mommy

with a shield system stronger than what he'll ever wear

[dire mountain]

Jorge is 2 inches taller than John for reference btw

Hes about a full head taller than the rest of Noble

So huge compared to threes but not crazy for twos

Now Kurt? In his SPI he is 8'2

[high bay]

A very off topic question, I highly doubt that the Corpus knew precisely what a Moa from ancient earth was, and MOA tends to be an acronym. What did MOA stand for? All I can guess is Mobile Offense Something starting with A

Or do the Corpus have a wealth of ancient records of earth that the Orokin somehow didn’t strike from their modified, self aggrandizing, records

[dire mountain]

According to a piece of concept art, MOA stands for "Mobile Offensive Armature."

From the wiki

Also look at this completely normal moa

[placid cypress]

[digital grail]

Is that organic

[keen latch]

Technically speaking, are the infested cyborgs? Cybernetic organisms? Like I understand they're mutated and subsumed with technocyte. But would that meet our definition of cyborg?

[restive river]

The warframes/protoframes would be considered cyborgs
Idk bout the rest of the infestation though

[digital grail]

They're like techno organic robot zombies I think?

[keen latch]

Yeah, which technically meets the definition of being cyborgs. Neat. I was just thinking about infested lore and all we learned from 1999.
Especially from our interactions with Lizzie. The whole nonlinear external mind of the infestation and its various strains.

The weird capacity for both gestalt consciousness and individuals therein.

[north jolt]

Well the techrot and mutalist probably could be called "cyborgs" in a sense

[keen latch]

It's like a less terrifying gravemind. Less terrifying in that being infested isn't as bad as falling victim to the flood.

[restive river]

Mutalist only infects tech tho, no?

[keen latch]

Even the grey strain and garden variety infested grinder and corpus could still also be cyborgs.

[north jolt]

But its still infested (technically organic) + techy bits

[keen latch]

Since the technocyte are nanomachines.

[restive river]

Techno-organic

[keen latch]

It's like a theoretically seamless blend of tech and organics.

[north jolt]

Also what would you even call the aesthetic of Entrati's lab? Gothic-Futurism?

[restive river]

I mean I always considered the infestation as not organic in the way that like
Humans are

It’s machines resembling organics
Though I may be wrong

[north jolt]

In a way we can probably now think of the mutalist as just a recreated version of the techrot

[keen latch]

Goth, alchemy-punk.

[north jolt]

Like either Gothic-Futurism or Alchemy-Punk, Im stealing both

[restive river]

Techrot infests organics and tech
Not just tech
But yeah I can see Alad somehow figuring out how to unleash the infestation’s recessive “infest tech “gene””

[keen latch]

Given the infestations ability to recreate any infested form you could do incredible things with it. No wonder the orokin used it as a building material.

[north jolt]

The one thing Alad V is consistently reliable for: making things worse

And not dying

[normal mountain]

So...
Two things

[storm hearth]

and making big mistakes

[normal mountain]

Three things

you know, this is starting to remind me of Monty Python's Spanish Inquisition skit

[storm hearth]

yea

also fun thought imagine you a corpus worker in the gas city and you just see the amalgams

what would you do

[barren jasper]

oh great man made horrors beyond my comprehension

[restive river]

Cry

[graceful swan]

Act like they don’t exist and leave them to get killed by bullet jumping space ninjas

[woven coyote]

In that case you would be working for aladv

So that's just tuesday

[cunning tapir]

I'd do a dance to the song "f#*@ this s#(% I'm out" while backing away.

[robust onyx]

hello

[dire mountain]

Hi

[proper barn]

do you have lore questions?

[brittle siren]

Is your pfp is Hollow Knight OC?

[onyx compass]

Why did ballas even want to go to Tau

[digital grail]

Oil

[lean garden]

Few complimenting reasons:

1. Him the Immortal Orokin would die with the sun, so to prolong his existence, exit from system is necessary
2. He wanted to blow up the sun, see 1)
3. In his hubris, he thought he might have some sway over the Sentients in Tau, thankfully this was never able to be confirmed with his death

[strange plinth]

originally it was due to the potential risk of running out of material to use in the origin system i think? but yea Bau has the new war ballas covered

[restive river]

Not potential risk, eventual risk
Resources are factually finite

[strange plinth]

eventual would've been better, yeah. used potential because we're still using resources in current origin, so what rate were they using them at that it was a risk they had to be thinking about-

[restive river]

The Orokin wanted to go to Tau cause they knew they were essentially on a timer
Not only would they run out of resources but their star would die in time
Then Albrecht accidentally dropped the key to the cosmos before them, they set up the Zariman colony mission, that failed, set up the sentients, they made it via the long way but didn’t want to let Tau get ruined like the Origin system was/is.

[restive river]

Modern day origin system def doesn’t use as much as the Orokin era, for one we aren’t just out here terraforming planets

[strange plinth]

fair point, yea

[strange turtle]

By the modern era of Warframe, titanium (or was it another material?) has reached the point that it can only be found in asteroids and space debris, but we don’t know if that was the Orokin or if the Grineer/Corpus finished the job

Unless I’ve forgotten some other mention of it

Thematically the Orokin would be fitting, but it’s also reasonable for it to have been the Corpeer

[tall echo]

I don't think there's ever a specific real life material mentioned

Aside from argon obv

[strange turtle]

Ok I checked the flavour text and yeah it was titanium and the Orokin

This highly malleable metal was exploited in great quantities by the Orokin and can now only be found within space rock.

[strange turtle]

There’s Gallium and Tellurium too.

Auron, Coprun and Ferros are just gold, copper and iron with different name, though arguably with said different name they don’t count since having a different name they can’t count the real material being mentioned even if they’re the same.

Not a material but the muons used for the battery of one of the servofish are a real type of radioactive particle

[tall echo]

Yeah I think I may be awake too long

Brain is starting to struggle

[placid cypress]

Tau itself is a subnuclear particle

That counts (kinda maybe??)

[placid cypress]

Hi Duckyyy 👋 👋

[restive river]

Hellooo

[tall echo]

Tau is also half of the name of an actual solar system

[terse vector]

Any video which explains this rabit hole properly?

[restive river]

Not really, not without running into some misinformationnu

[terse vector]

Well im new and I would like to know who and why and what im fighting like I like the game so I think the story would be surreal for me as well

But id like to know from the start till where I am till the end but slowly

[lean garden]

what is "this rabbit hole"

where are you currently on the star chart

[restive river]

If you’re new new then just play the game, play through the main quests

You will learn a lot just from playing and paying attention

[tall echo]

You're the goodest of good guys fighting enemies that commit various forms of genocide and slavery

If you're really new then that's as specific as we can get

[terse vector]

on phobos

[terse vector]

real

[terse vector]

Okay

[lean garden]

whats the last story quest you've done

[tall echo]

Story doesn't kick off yet for a bit at phobos

[terse vector]

cant remember i think i killed vay hek?

[tall echo]

You can't kill vay hek until MR5

[terse vector]

im MR5

[tall echo]

Well then

Sedna

Not phobos

[lean garden]

then youre a very long way to go till you actually get to the meat of the story

[terse vector]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO : (

[tall echo]

Vay hek fight is required fairly late

[proper barn]

Yes its from a like vessel creator thing.

[graceful swan]

Totally not also committing various warcrimes yourself

[hexed oxide]

is there any meaning behind the great despair ?

party of your lifetime (other than blatantly insinuating on-lyne is infested) seems to kind of describe the events of 1999 but i can't make sense of the great despair

[proper barn]

probably about falling to Wally if you stay like despairing

[terse vector]

yeah i was confused because many npcs when they meeet u for the first time despise you. ;-;

[graceful swan]

That’s so you can rank up and change their minds

[terse vector]

o

[woven coyote]

For all intents and purposes when interacting with normal ppl in warframe you are a faceless geneva checklist distributor, it would take me a while to build trust with that lol

[rotund tinsel]

Yeah took me awhile to figure out why it says "We had no right to expect such help...from a tenno" considering we slaughtered their kind with the Entrati rank descriptions

[silk atlas]

Also do remember the Geneva Convention doesn't apply to Warframe so like, whatever

[stray gale]

what warcrimes do the tenno commit, exactly

because using incendiary or radioactive or whatever weapons per se isn't a warcrime

[graceful swan]

Child soldiers is a Warcrime

[stray gale]

that would make the orokin war criminals, not the tenno

because they're the ones who enlisted them

[graceful swan]

Lotus enlisted us after the Orokin were long dead

[stray gale]

your words were "committing various warcrimes yourself"

and last I checked, I'm not lotus

[graceful swan]

Warframes are a War crime in itself

[left lake]

the question is

who is the worse war criminal?

[graceful swan]

Probably the Grineer

[left lake]

Orokin and Entrati are vying for first place in war criminality

[graceful swan]

Modern day it’s Grineer

As much as Corpus profit on War that’s not exactly a War crime

Corpus aren’t trying to be a military

[left lake]

(Post-Radation War): Orokin (Child Soldiers, Mass production of clones, abuse of robot labor rights, absurd punishments, violent glassing into computers, mind control, using humans as costumes, Ballas, corruption scandals, debauchery etc.)

???? (Modern Day): Ballas (Mass abuse of labor, ursuped everything, Made a Cult, Allegedly committed genocide on Tenno and Domestic Abuse. Also forcibly made pregrant mom into a warframe. Torture).

[graceful swan]

Entrati haven’t really done many War crimes

Animal cruelty maybe

[left lake]

also abused like 10 7 people into protowarframes and made them develop trust issues with him

(Amended by CommuniCosha)

[graceful swan]

True

[left lake]

mentally

Albrecht is ballsy but at least he has someting in mind other than himself. Like trying to trap murmur into a conceptual timeline. and once offered a free taxi ride to Tau. (We refused since he essentically left the protoframes to die)

Ballas is only for himself.

[graceful swan]

Albrecht creating the Protos in 1999 was before there was a war so can it really be called a War crime

[silk atlas]

There isn't even a "war" going on in most of conflicts in WF anyway

[left lake]

for ablrecht is mostly not war crimes but more of Felony crimes

most likely he'll be tried in Martial Court since Libertia is in martial law

and would be in Libertia prison for the rest of the loop

[normal mountain]

7
Kaya straight-up demanded he make her a proto, and Minerva and Velimer got a full disclaimer

[left lake]

amended

[old dome]

orokin.

[silk atlas]

No one because there's no war crimes being committed

[north jolt]

When the Orokin came into power their first official act was to abolish the Geneva convention

[mystic lynx]

So what's the lore behind Xaku prime? How does a prime of 3 different warframe works

[silk atlas]

Could've made Prime model after finding original Xaku, could've just upgraded the original, the usual basic ways a Prime is made into existence.

[restive river]

No exact details are given but my best guess is when the original Xaku was found Albrecht, at some point, got his hands on them and reverse-engineered the design the void had output in combination with the lost warframes
Basically
Original Xaku is 3 different frames glued together as 1
Xaku Prime is 1 warframe based off of the design of Xaku

The reason I specify Albrecht btw is due to Xaku Prime’s design absolutely being of Entrati-design and Xaku as a whole having voidtongue/requiems in their ability names

[mystic lynx]

Oh i thought all primes is the original and the base one is the chinesse mass produced stuff
Thx

[restive river]

No, some primes predate their originals some came long after

[humble sierra]

Yeah some were rewarded with Prime upgrades

Lavos even primed himself through the power of alchemy

[fallen oxide]

Does temple exists because lizzie eventually fully " transforms " Flare?

[tall echo]

Lavos pulled a thanos "I'll do it myself"

[tall echo]

Yes

[fallen oxide]

That's a little bit sad

[tall echo]

The transformation is inevitable for all the protos

[fallen oxide]

O h

[humble sierra]

Yeah but Flare is (so far) the only one we know is the "original". They're the only ones with the Temple serum.

[proper barn]

Not exactly. Flare and lizzie come to be "allies" to each other.

Just flare does eventually subcome.

[stiff fable]

Not necessarily inevitable, just more likely than not. The balance can be kept.

[tall echo]

There's no evidence that it isn't inevitable and two sources that support it

[stiff fable]

Flare only says they ended up making the flip. Even Albrecht only implies that it's "likely" the protos will.

[stiff fable]

Small note but we know the others are later batches. Temple is an exception because Ballas designed it, then never produced any. Albrecht somehow got the serum, and used it on Flare (who was the original inspiration for the batch, natch)

Flare is simultaneously the inspiration for Temple, the proto, and the original Warframe.

[blissful merlin]

And John Warframe was the first human during the orokin era to be turned into the first warframe Excalibur 🤓☝️
/j

[hexed oxide]

actually it was hayden tenno

[tall echo]

Nah it was joen oorfram

[digital grail]

https://tenor.com/view/cooler-i'm-taking-that-meme-cooler-grab-dbfz-gif-2384774096762181708

[leaden laurel]

Just finished The Hex and I'm very confused.
So is 1999 an alternate timeline?
||Because the Orikin need to exist and thrive for a long time before they make the infested and by extension, the Warframes.

Are Loid and Albrecht orikin? They're working in an ancient ruined orikin lab. And they know the Warframes and Tenno exist so they went to hypersleep after the Old War.
And then they go back in time to way before the Orikin and infested ever existed. But the infested are already making Warframes as we can see by the crew becoming Warframes. But the Orikin don't exist so the infested are there because of the time travel?

But you have to use the Drifter who is the Alt Timeline version of the operator because..... It's an alternate timeline?||

[strange turtle]

The Orokin didn’t make the Infested

[strange plinth]

no, 1999 is the same timeline
the infestation existed long before the orokin, evidenced by techrot's presence in 1999
albrecht left to 1999 and loid went to sleep during the old war
albrecht made the protoframes via helminth strain injections
drifter has to be used because they're the operator whose deal is "done"
drifter isn't as connected to the current origin system, and has no outstanding debt with the man in the wall, thus, they are able to leave.
last two are a little more flimsy but the others are confirmed

[leaden laurel]

What do you mean "drifter has to be used because they're the operator who's deal is done"

I feel like I missed something big in The Man in the Wall. Wasn't Loid the Man in the Wall? Because Necroloid heard him in the walls.

I thought Ballas said the Orikin made the infested as a combat testing race? Like the Terrain made the Zerg in Starcraft

[strange plinth]

operator and drifter split at the deal with the man in the wall, operator's deal included them in being saved, while drifter's didn't
operator seems to have "paid" more for this, and we don't know what our side of the deal is

[strange turtle]

The Man In The Wall is a being that Albrecht found in the void

Do you not remember Chains of Harrow?

Thats the guy Rell was holding back

[strange plinth]

loid was asleep and necraloid didn't know about him until whispers, so necraloid couldn't have heard him

the infestation were cultivated into a weapon against the sentients, but the orokin did not make it

[strange turtle]

Ballas said that they cultivated a specific strain of the Infested, the Helminth strain, which is what we use for Warframes, which they did because the Sentients could take control of technology that wasn’t void shielded

[humble sierra]

Drifter has to be used because the Man in the Wall seems to have plans for the Operator, and sending the child directly towards the Eldritch being will jeopardize them

While the Man in the Wall seems to be completely uninterested in Drifter, at least by this point

Also if you're ever confused: The Man in the Wall is also called the Indifference. It's the thing that shows up in the Orbiter looking like the Operator but with creepy eyes, but also can take other appearances

[strange turtle]

You might’ve seen or heard Wally around your Orbiter, they’re the thing that mimics your appearance

[leaden laurel]

I thought Rell was just a Tenno with Autism and the Red Veil were like "this guy is different, clearly he is out prophet/God child" and his Autism powers of focusing on everything 100% all of the time combined with his void transference powers and after he died of old age (because he didn't hyper sleep) his consciousness continued to exist in space forever holding back the big bad scary Warframe "Harrow"

[humble sierra]

Harrow isn't the big bad scary thing that's being held back

[strange plinth]

harrow was rell's warframe, rell was holding back the man in the wall, a burden passed to us

the rest of that's,, fairly on point though

[humble sierra]

Rell combined with Harrow, which is how his consciousness aged so much

[lean garden]

Perhaps slightly more attention should be paid during the quests hm?

[humble sierra]

Nah it's perfectly reasonable for a few things here and there to be mixed up

It seems like you've got all the dots but you connected them wrong

[strange plinth]

the man in the wall was also the big.. man in the wall that flew out of the void portal during that one scene in the new war

[humble sierra]

https://tenor.com/view/warframe-man-hello-chat-hello-chat-gif-24187047

[lean garden]

Not on the harrow bit, its nigh impossible to get that part wrong unless you misunderstood that from the get go

[leaden laurel]

So the Man in the Wall aka the Indifference is that NPC version of the operator who sits cross legged and just is creepy sometimes?

[lean garden]

Bingo

[leaden laurel]

I do remember that happening right at the end but then nothing came of it and I went "that was weird. I'm sure it'll be explained or it's just operator trama"

[strange plinth]

he also possessed the other vessel near the end of whispers, and was warded off by positive emotion

[strange plinth]

you are going to love a certain quincy chat

[lean garden]

I mean, him A and T posing on you is followed up in Whispers in The Wall so

[lean garden]

whaddup space trauma

[humble sierra]

What came of it is everything afterwards, he's the current big threat, but I'm guessing now that you've learned that it's the same entity as the copycat, you've figured that out

Also unrelated but @strange plinth is your username a game of thrones reference? I just started watching but like it's also not very specific to GoT

[leaden laurel]

Oh when we had the kiju fight and you defeated him with a gentle touch to the face. I thought it was just touch starved and angry because I've been there man

[lean garden]

unironically

[strange plinth]

no i've never watched GoT lol
just a result of wearing only gray clothing and using only pencils for drawing. got a nickname and stuck with it ig

[lean garden]

about there

[humble sierra]

Yep makes sense, like I said it's not something that can only be a GoT reference lol

[strange plinth]

yeah that's not far off
just moreso loid than the man in the wall himself

[leaden laurel]

Does that mean because we interacted with Rell and did Chains of Harrow quest, we freed the big bad that Rell had locked up nicely?

[humble sierra]

Precisely

Though it was about to come free anyways

[strange plinth]

indirectly, yeah
rell was kinda.. projecting his emotions throughout the system, though. something had to be done about it

[humble sierra]

Rell was on the brink of collapse, already losing his mind

[lean garden]

Eeeeh, yes, but we "hold" him back now

albeit much less firmly

[strange plinth]

we're doing our best to, at least

[lean garden]

Its like say

[humble sierra]

Rell kept it caged, but eventually it was going to break free. We let it loose, and now we're trying to find a permanent solution

[lean garden]

Rell was holding tightly onto a water balloon, preventing it from dropping, but years and years wears down the arms and so when we made him let go, we caught the balloon, but it exploded, and all we have left in our hands is some water, and some of it splashed on the ground

[leaden laurel]

So what's the point of going back to 1999 anyway? All Albrecht did was introduce the Helmith strain earlier in the timeline? And then because the operator can't go and the drifter has to, doesn't that make the whole thing just a side quest?

[strange turtle]

No

[strange plinth]

albrecht seemingly got what he needed from 1999, but he still needs something from us there

you haven't done the hex finale or i'd quote him directly

[strange turtle]

It being Drifter content doesn’t stop it being main story

[humble sierra]

Yep to complete the story you'll need to chat with the Hex regularly

You can do that by interacting with the PC in the orbiter

Which you can also use to have a new base of operations in 1999, the Backroom

It has almost everything the Orbiter does

Except the Railjack, Ordis, and jumpscares! At least, the ones from the Man in the Wall.

[leaden laurel]

But I got the quest complete screen and the 1999 base. He told me to not stop the bomb and not tell John Warframe and his crew. So I told John Warframe and his crew and we went to stop the bomb but it was too late and he said something like "you altered the loop and have a year now instead of a day"

[strange plinth]

John Warframe-

[strange turtle]

Yeah you’re not done with it

[strange plinth]

yes, you'll unlock the "second half" of the quest at hex (syndicate) rank 3 and Liked with the hex members

[strange turtle]

Rank up your relationships and standing, get to Rank 3 and interact with Kalymos

[humble sierra]

Kalymos is in the aforementioned Backroom

[strange turtle]

That lets you do the end of the quest, the actual second chance

[humble sierra]

Imo I think you should just keep it as your base of operations until you've done the finale

[leaden laurel]

Oh. I thought it was done because the area became one of the Open World hubs so I turned it off and went "huh. Why did the drifter show up in Excalibur? I don't even have Excalibur. I wasn't even Umbra, which I do have"

[strange turtle]

It’s Excalibur because you couldnt bring your own equipment

[strange plinth]

sent some basic equipment through. probably so any of your good stuff couldn't get lost, now that i think about it

[strange turtle]

And hes the default

[humble sierra]

It's a freshly made Excalibur

[dire mountain]

Fresh out the helminth

[leaden laurel]

At least I have a use for the Motorcycle skin I got from Nightwave now

Anyway. Thank you for clearing that up. I was confused on more things I thought I was confused on

I seriously wrote off the creepy version of the operator entirely as trama hallucinations

[humble sierra]

No worries, if you have any further questions, feel free to ask

[tall echo]

Man I missed a fun conversation

Why does that always happen

[fresh meadow]

Who'd be the best Warframe wife/husband

[restive river]

Entirely subjective

[tall echo]

Kermerros for no biased reason whatsoever

As for literal warframes... yeah up to personal opinion

[north ferry]

Ordis

[digital grail]

Wdym?

[magic saddle]

why is the food a cube every time in the void cutscene ?

[restive river]

Wdym?

Like on the Zariman?

[magic saddle]

yea

[restive river]

That’s just how they had their food

[magic saddle]

like a cube

[restive river]

Yes

[magic saddle]

most normal meal to have

[restive river]

Cube food
Easy to store and eat

Food hexagons would be a bit tougher ig

[magic saddle]

true

[strange turtle]

Food hexagons are only for esteemed individuals, like archimedean assistants

Duh

[magic saddle]

makes sense

[restive river]

[white sable]

My assumption and theory is the they pack and get their food in long cuboids and when eating they cut it into cube since it can be easily distributed

[magic saddle]

na can't be, it would be too boring

[restive river]

Iirc there’s a cube food fabricator

[magic saddle]

there must be a lore reason

[restive river]

Lore reason is: warframe likes it when stuff is weird

[magic saddle]

real

[restive river]

Temple’s original design was turned down for not being weird enough

Then they made the Guitar so weird they’re their own character

[white sable]

It's just efficiency
You can store the blocks most efficiently without leaving any space in between
Any other shape and and put them all in a big box it would have some space

[restive river]

Hexagons are actually more efficient but I imagine would not be as good to eat

[magic saddle]

yea but ist warframe so its must be a wierd reason

[restive river]

Like that just feels like a mouthful of corners vs cube which is nice and easy

[restive river]

It is likely what they had said lol, sometimes things aren’t weird

The Zariman was a colony ship so they needed to store a lot of food easily

[magic saddle]

but why not triangles ?

[restive river]

Could be cubes worked better than hexagons too for the type of utensil the Zariman crew used; chopsticks

[restive river]

You ever try chop-sticking a triangle?

Or eating a triangle?
Too sharp

[magic saddle]

no

[restive river]

Plus less efficient

[magic saddle]

just stick it in

[restive river]

Cubes are that balance between efficiency and still being edible

[white sable]

Well join two triangles and you'll get square

[heady quest]

Mission failed I got a rhombus

[somber obsidian]

@lean garden are you alive

So I’ve heard may or may not be wrong

Gauss is fast enough to break the atmosphere

True or false

[lean garden]

Que?

Did someone mistake the sound barrier for the atmosphere?

[somber obsidian]

Maybe

[lean garden]

Like what does "break the atmosphere" mean

[somber obsidian]

Yknow the ozone layer

Break that by distrupting it

[lean garden]

Yea nah whoever said that evidently doesnt know the difference between the sound barrier and the atmosphere

The saint of altra didnt accidentally break the region like that

[somber obsidian]

LOL

[velvet cradle]

@somber obsidian

The ozone is far too high up for glass to access it

It is more likely that guass may be fast enough to run fast enough to break the sound barrier to cause a sonic boom

If you are talking about more like what happens when something enters the earth atmosphere to have massive amounts of heat, I doubt that guass can move that fast

[gray silo]

Inaros, I got you.

Gauss is so fast that his movements hypercompress the air in front of him causing an instantaneous runaway fusion event which devours entire biospheres. So yes, he breaks the atmosphere.

[magic saddle]

how can a warframe get pregnant ?

[silk atlas]

They don't, Jade was pregnant BEFORE being turned into a frame

[magic saddle]

wtf

what did i miss

how are warframe made ?

[silk atlas]

See: The Sacrifice.
People who are turned Infested "but only just"

[velvet cradle]

@magic saddle

This is explained in the sacrifice quest

Tldr is that they are injected with the helminth strain of the infestation to turn them into the "first-gen" warframes or what ever the ones you wanna call instead of the ones made in the foundry and such

As described in the question, they are mostly free of the infested madness and have their organs fused/intertwined as they grow bone-steel on the exterior.

And yes. Jade was preggo before becoming a warframe

[magic saddle]

So the first generation are people who have been infected and then follow orders ?

[strange plinth]

gen 1s were self-controlling, gen 2s were tenno-controlled

stalker, jade, kullervo, dante, and umbra are the only gen 1s that we have proper detail on
and they all had one focus that kept them sane

[velvet cradle]

@gray silo

The question becomes is that is there any stated lore that he is able to run that fast?

Like It is theoretical that objects can move that fast but there is nothing that gets close to ignite entire atmospheres as the closest we come to observe is meteors/asteroids entering the earth atmosphere and explode from the heat generated but no where close to ignite the entire atmosphere

@strange plinth

Don't forget potentially dagath I think that was turned into a frame as punishment for naming a horse

[magic saddle]

bro what ?

[strange plinth]

we don't know anything about dagath after that though, which is why i didn't include her
but yes, dagath was absolutely a gen 1, probably not even gen 2 until we get her

[velvet cradle]

Warframe lore is wild

[magic saddle]

i see it now

[strange plinth]

quick-ish rundown
dagath was a dax plaything for a bi-poly orokin couple
they gave her a horse as a gift, but told her not to name it, as names have power in orokin society
she named it, and they tried to have the horse killed, but caught her as well
they begged ballas (presumably? don't remember if confirmed) to warframe her, and she became dagath
but because the relationship was no longer taboo (and dagath just kinda stood around with that smile), they lost interest and tried to have her face melted via industrial laser
dagath survived and made it the problem of that orokin couple

[graceful swan]

There are no actual generations

[velvet cradle]

I think there may be a list of maybe for gen 1

Like off top of list, mirage from the quest may be a gen 1 but is super vague on specifics so it may be on interpretation

Same like with protea and gara as they had a single focus but never had much details if they were tenno controlling from my pov

[graceful swan]

Frame Generations is a term community made not the game

[strange plinth]

yea, fair
but there were two batches, right?
the pre-tenno warframes that 'went mad' and were shelved, and the post-tenno ones that had dormant/healed consciousnesses

[graceful swan]

It’s basically just original frame then clones from it

[gray silo]

Yes! I just stated the lore. It's from my headcanon as of about 40 minutes ago

Source? Gauss go BOOOM!!

[woven coyote]

Headcannon≠lore

[gray silo]

Well aren't you a downer!

[velvet cradle]

Well, that is not what he can do

Like I said, he is more likely to cause sonic booms to the point of mass damage, chaos and lethality

[restive river]

Not really?
Headcanon isn’t lore

[strange plinth]

as shown with the gauss prime trailer, at least

[restive river]

Like you can have your headcanons but that doesn’t make it lore accurate by default

[woven coyote]

Btw gauss isnt the speed frame, he is the kinetic energy frame, so i'd say ignition is within his capabilities

[restive river]

Volt is the speedframe

Iirc he’s actually faster

[strange plinth]

yeah gauss has higher base, but volt has higher max

[silk atlas]

They're near identical but slower than ones like Wukong and Titania anyway

[graceful swan]

Depending on mods equipped

[tall echo]

Isn't that kinda part of one of his abilities

[restive river]

Titania is the true speedframe in gameplay

[tall echo]

Nah grendel is

Rollin around at the speed of sound

[restive river]

[strange plinth]

grendel ending up faster than gauss most of the time in gameplay will never not be funny to me

[restive river]

Meatball go brrr

[tall echo]

Same

Physics are great

Gauss got one constant speed, grendel believes in momentum

[lean garden]

Um. Are we just ignoring the specific use of generation by kullervo?

What is community generated is numbering the generations

[graceful swan]

Ye that's what I meant

[lean garden]

But there is a specific notion of there being a generational split between kullervo and the ones we regularity use

[restive river]

There prob are more than 2 but we use 2 as those are the two we’re most aware of and can categorize frames into

Pre-tenno and post-tenno

[graceful swan]

I've seen people use a “3rd generation” example before

[tall echo]

Yes hello

[restive river]

For what?
Umbra?

[tall echo]

Modern non-orokin built frames