lore-discussion

[worn crescent]

IT DOES??!

[tall echo]

I can provide one lone semi-rap song I found a while ago

[normal mountain]

Intriguing

[tall echo]

Fascinating

[worn crescent]

Back to the Rap thing, Go listen to GONE GONE / THANK YOU, it’s amazing

[feral cape]

Cephalon cordylon mentions a void rift that when it collapses will destroy the entire universe

[worn crescent]

Does that count as Vacuum decay though?

[feral cape]

I mean probably

[feral cape]

I keep a small part of my processes assigned to the task of monitoring other potential anomalies that could give cause for concern, such as:

The sudden and immediate shift in gravitation alignment that could result in a collision with a nearby asteroid.
A collapsing Void rift that would tear through subspace, eradicating all physical material in its wake.
This is the only mention of said void rift

[worn crescent]

Huh, I guess that could be a form of vacuum decay

[dense salmon]

The more I think about it, the more the current 'characterisation' of the Sentients absolutely did massive harm to the initial world building of the Tenno being the Nuclear Deterrent for the Origin System as a whole

The gameplay reason is for us to have more enemies to punch and shoot, but it ruined the concept that we are maintaining balance in the Universe for a generic "Us vs Them" Space Sci Fi

[gritty hatch]

anyone notice theres a yellow storm around the dojo?

[tall echo]

[feral cape]

You mean all but 1 of them still being evil and wanting to kill all people

[dense salmon]

Yeah the main face of the faction that we have right now, who himself did it at either the request of the rest of the others.

The Sentients being antagonistic to the Tenno was just so that we have a new enemy faction. But the way that they were enemies to the Tenno specifically, and kept being enemies to us, lead to a chain of decisions that moved us away from maintaining balance in the Origin System, to having generic space dog fights

[feral cape]

Because they want to kill everyone

[tall echo]

Sentients barely exist

[dense salmon]

Now that we have Narmer they're even MORE generic

[feral cape]

Everyone other than hunhow and erra at the very end was still the kill all people sentients

Shut up

[dense salmon]

As a completely evil faction completely, without actually engaging in the push and pull of the Origin System that was the Corpus and Grineer deadlock

[feral cape]

<@&778745217037238293>

[feral cape]

Because they fight everyone who gets in there way

And a collective threat to every faction

Meaning grineer and corpus agree to fight sentients instead of eachother should the event arrise

[dense salmon]

Yeah, because they were written to be dumb generic 'Alien' type threat that ruined the whole aspect of us maintaining the Balance of the system

[bronze field]

✂️

[feral cape]

No it didn't

[dense salmon]

What they should be doing is actively fight the Grineer and Corpus, the two factions that represented the Orokin greed to colonise Tau, and the actions that they take would've spelled disaster for the System so we the Tenno have to either stop them from making one side too weak before it makes the other side too strong

[dense salmon]

Yeah it did, and the fact that Narmer happened and turned them into generic evil faceless goons makes it worse

[feral cape]

They do fight them there a puppet faction

Where do you think they get soldiers

[dense salmon]

They were the 'Enemies' of the Tenno, the 'Angels' to our Demons.

Which is just them trying to make a 'Rival' faction that blows

[feral cape]

They still are

[restive river]

The Sentients aren’t like. Completely evil??
Them killing civillians was awful but the cause for their revolution is absolutely just

Also the Sentients aren’t aliens?
There are no aliens

[dense salmon]

What Soldiers, you mean the Narmer soldiers that are now part of a Generic Evil Faction that has nothing do with the original goal of the Sentients going back to stop the Colonisation of Tau by the Orokin, and are now Colonisers Themselves?

[dense salmon]

No they're 'written' to be an 'Alien' threat. Like the Reapers

But they suck even more and I hate them

[restive river]

I would not call the sentients generically evil

[feral cape]

They literally set out to kill all of civilization did you think they'd just leave sol when they did that

[dense salmon]

Because they don't actually do anything to the story of us being a way to maintain balance, even if it meant doing horrible stuff

[restive river]

Especially when all we fight is drones, fragments of the sentients that made them

[feral cape]

Do you also enjoy ribs with no meat on them?

[dense salmon]

Remember how we, the Tenno, assisted in the takeover of Mars due to us needing to preserve the numbers of Tenno for the larger war of us against the Origin System forces?

[restive river]

Because they predate us keeping balance
They were a threat during the Old War primarily, they’re treated as an ancient threat, one that was thought gone but is back in much smaller numbers

[dense salmon]

Yes and that's the problem.

They absolutely dumpstered the whole lore part of us keeping the Balance for a generic ancient enemy to fight

Which is especially bad when we have the Infested already

Who are ironically better characters as well

[restive river]

I mean
The sentients are as ancient as we are :p

[dense salmon]

The Sentients should be Gravidus Dilemma type of conflict

[restive river]

They’re kinda just long standing enemies of ours, enemies we thought were gone and to a large extent we don’t have to involve ourselves with them

[dense salmon]

Where the option is that, we might have to stop them from weakening the Grineer and Corpus, even if it might mean short term happiness, at the cost of them making the war too imbalanced for the stability of the system

[restive river]

We only fight like
4 sentients
Humhow, Pragahsa’s corpse, Erra and Natah
And ofc the Archons later on

[dense salmon]

And not just some random enemy faction that doesn't even engage in the Balance of the Origin System, other than to take it over completely like some generic evil faction

[restive river]

The problem with the sentients is also that they view all humanity as part of the Orokin
That’s why they go after us as well, that and we are the greatest threat to them with our Warframes

[dense salmon]

Yes and that's what makes then generic evil faction

[restive river]

They don’t engage in the Origin System at large because they’re barely present, they don’t impact the balance
Nor are they generically evil, it’s BALLAS who takes over the system through manipulating Erra and Natah.

Your generic evil is Ballas, not the sentients.

[dense salmon]

Even before Ballas, or hell after Ballas, considering how the Narmer are still generic evil faction of take over people, the Sentients not engaging in the balance is the issue

[restive river]

Natah changes her ways, she learns to love us
Hunhow is slow to change but is changing
Erra realizes the error of his ways and tries to not only help us but feels remorseful for his mistakes.

[dense salmon]

Even if they are 'barely' present.

[restive river]

What is this before Ballas?
He was always at play with manipulating the sentients against us in-game

The sentients are a tool to him, it’s due to Ballas that Narmer exists
Not the 2 sentients that fell for his deception

[feral cape]

Taking over sol isn't even there end goal

[restive river]

The sentients at large don’t care about the Origin System

It’s literally just a few of them being manipulated by Ballss

[feral cape]

There marooned in sol and want to go home

[restive river]

Again, your generic evil IS Ballas, not the sentients.

[restive river]

Minus the Lotus

[dense salmon]

No they care about Tau, and the best way to show it, is if they sabotage the Sol system trying to get to Tau. Which was the whole actual character of the Sentients. But they didn't actually build up on that

Instead turning into generic Villains that take over the Sol system for... Ballas reasons

[feral cape]

To go to tau

[restive river]

When would they sabotage us getting to Tau when we have not made any attempts to go to Tau.

[dense salmon]

Yes, us the Tenno, have no reason to go to Tau. But the greedy Corpus and Grineer do

Which is the whole point

[restive river]

No they don’t?

[dense salmon]

The hatred of them against the Tenno

[restive river]

When has it been stated either faction wants to or is preparing to go to Tau.

[feral cape]

This just in tearing a hole in time and space to cover 12 light years takes alot of energy and infrastructure that one can't really aquire without a big footprint

[restive river]

Neither faction could even go to Tau

[dense salmon]

Is a dumb 'Alien Threat' type of conflict that dumpsters the idea of a Balance keeping factiln that was the Tenno

[restive river]

Ballas is literally the only person in the Origin System we have seen in game who wants to go to Tau

[dense salmon]

To introduce a dumb 'greater threat' that isn't even a threat

[restive river]

They’re still not aliens.

[feral cape]

Isn't a threat?

My brother in christ they almost ate the sun

[dense salmon]

Yeah through Orokin action

[feral cape]

You know the star at the center of our universe

[feral cape]

Because they wanted to go to...

[restive river]

The sentients don’t care about the origin system
They have no reason to bother the origin system
If any faction went to Tau they’d be curbstomped, there’s no reason to even sabotage them.

[dense salmon]

They couldn't even do that without they're actual HATED enemy helping them

Which makes the writing for them even more stupid

[restive river]

The Orokin are literally the only faction who wanted to go to Tau, that’s why the Sentients are even IN tau.

[dense salmon]

Yeah because of resources

[feral cape]

To them ballas was a good orokin

[restive river]

Center of our solar system

[feral cape]

Because he kept helping them and presented himself as having problems with the orokin empire

[dense salmon]

Hey wanna know what other factions in the Warframe wants to have massive amounts of resources.

The two greediest factions in the universe

Three if you count the Infested

[restive river]

Show me where any of them mentioned or made a move to go to Tau

[feral cape]

How would they even get to tau

[dense salmon]

Instead, they hate the Tenno

[restive river]

Or how they’d even combat the sentients.

[dense salmon]

For dumb stupid reasons

While accepting and helping a freaking Orokin

[feral cape]

For stopping them

[feral cape]

For helping them

[restive river]

They dislike the Tenno because we are the biggest threat to them
But guess what? The Sentients in Tau don’t care

We know nothing of the Sentients in Tau
We only know of the 4 that showed up in the Origin system
1 is dead
1 is controlled by his own creation and remorseful
1 is slowly changing
And the other is our Adoptive parent.

[dense salmon]

The Sentients in Tau literally sent themselves through the equivalent of space MG microwave tunnel to kill us from getting to Tau

[restive river]

The only sentients that have an issue with us is the Archons who only dislike us because we pose a threat to them.

[dense salmon]

Yeah because they're generic evil

[feral cape]

And the ones in tau chose to stay

[restive river]

How?

[feral cape]

Because they don't want to fight

[restive river]

How are they generically evil for fighting against us?
They’re trying to make a power grab through the veils due to Ballas’ influence.

Every time you say they’re generically evil you are neglecting the fact that it was Ballas, not them.

[dense salmon]

By being part of the Narmer factiom that doesn't even follow through with why the Sentients shot themselves through the Void to reach the Origin system in the first place

To stop the Orokin from reaching Tau because they did want them to colonise the Tau system.

[feral cape]

To stop the non existent orokin empire

[restive river]

They’re literally veiling the two factions you think they should be fighting

[feral cape]

The empire that doesn't exist

[restive river]

They literally pose a threat to the balance of the system by making the two major threats a singular more powerful threat.

[dense salmon]

Because they want to fight the Tenno and take over the Origin System.

[restive river]

They can’t go home, they refuse to help us due to Ballas’ brainwashing.

[restive river]

Yes
Due to Ballas.

[dense salmon]

Not because they want to stop either of them from getting to Tau

[restive river]

Neither of them can go to Tau.

Neither of them have expressed interest in going to Tau.

The Grineer and Corpus are not on the technological level of the Orokin and even if they were the Sentients in Tau would easily stop them.

That’s why the Orokin won, they had the Tenno

[dense salmon]

So instead of a cool faction that's a danger to the balance due to the ideological reasons, giving us a Gravidus Dilemma situation. It's generic bad guy threat that wants to makr bigger bad guy threat

Which is even more generic

[restive river]

These factions don’t have the Tenno, they don’t win against the hypothetical mission to go to Tau that they still have never expressed doing.

Heck the Grineer Queens, who are OROKIN, have never expressed going to Tau.

[dense salmon]

Yeah, and so the Sentients remain as this generic evil threat. That don't engage with the original lore of us being peacekeepers of the Origin System, and instead are just some threat for us to shoot

[restive river]

You’re assuming these factions want Tau, and maybe if they had power over the whole system they’d try to expand
But that doesn’t happen because we keep the balance.

[dense salmon]

Which was my whole point

The writing of the Sentients are of completely painfully generic evil faction

[restive river]

You’re still forgetting that it’s Ballas who brainwashed Narmer to be this way, not the Sentients

Not the Archons
Not Erra
Ballas.

[dense salmon]

That doesn't actually respect what the Tenno and original goal the game was, fornus to maintain balance jn the system, by being a Nuclear Deterrent

[restive river]

Narmer is just the Ballas faction WITH sentient forces, which are fragments.

[dense salmon]

They act as generic bad guys, for generic reasons, that don't even have their own methodology and ideals.

They are, ironically, more faceless than even the Grineer

[restive river]

Their methodology and ideals are veil everyone so they act as one?

Narmer’s whole purpose is complete control of the system, taking over the individuals of the system and not just the resources

[dense salmon]

Yeah and in the process made them into even bigger generic bad guys, which the writing had issues with from the start

[restive river]

What about them is any more generic than the Corpus or Grineer?

Their whole goal is take over the system
The Corpus’ whole goal is make money
The Grineer are just doing what Narmer does without the veils and with more murder

[dense salmon]

Quick, tell me why the Sentients would attack the faction that has no bearing to the old empire that strip mines resources. Give me the reason why any of them would attack the Tenno, other than 'Hate Tenno' like some generic bad guy

[restive river]

Your complaint is it’s the sentients but they Narmer isn’t a sentient faction, it just has fragments acting as soldiers
It utilizes every faction BUT the Infestation

[dense salmon]

Also fyi hiding behind Ballas doesn't work

[restive river]

I literally told you
We pose the biggest threat to the sentients, they know if they try anything we will be there to stop them.

[dense salmon]

Stop them from what?

[restive river]

Murdering civilians
Taking over the system
Literally anything awful they may do?
We were literally at war with them

[feral cape]

In a deranged attempt to transport himself and his cult to Tau, Ballas opened portals between the Void and conventional reality on an unprecedented scale.
Going home

[restive river]

The Sentients, due to the mistreatment from the Orokin, view all humans as Orokin
Which includes the Tenno

I’d hate the people that want to enslave and take the home I made too

[dense salmon]

Ok so tell me why they would do that. The Grineer and Corpus are industrial bastards, the Grineer want military might, the Corpus money. Why do they do all this horrible acts

[feral cape]

To go home

[dense salmon]

So the fact that the mainly attack us and not the much more violent and mistreating Corpus and Grineer

[restive river]

Narmer literally is veiling the Corpus and Grineer

Why are you conventionally ignoring the Narmer forces we fight

[feral cape]

They do mainly attack the Corpus and grineer where do you think the muscle comes from

[dense salmon]

Oh I'm sorry, i thought that was Ballas' fault?

[restive river]

Or the fact the Sentients do attack them

[restive river]

Narmer is Ballas’ fault
The Sentients are still attacking all of humanity

[feral cape]

This is like arguing the takem only attack guardians despite the taken being every other faction under mine control

[restive river]

Tone down your attitude.

[feral cape]

Fun fact they still have to fight the other factions to you know mind control the other factions

[dense salmon]

That's the Narmer, which apparently all just Ballas and the Sentients have no say in what they want to do

[restive river]

The Sentients don’t like humanity as a whole because they view it all as Orokin.

That’s why they fight us
That’s why they fight them

[feral cape]

They all want to go home

Thats there end goal

[restive river]

Also again
We fight SENTIENT FRAGMENTS, not whole Sentients

[feral cape]

Also that

[restive river]

We have only met 4, at most 8 actual sentients if you count the Archons.

[feral cape]

We fight like 3 actual sentients

All the -lyst sentients have the exact same mind as them

[dense salmon]

Yeah because they're generic bad guy faction that don't even take part in the main issue, is that they were written as generic evil faction that we gave to fight as a whole that don't even take part inbthe original writing ofnus having to constantly maintain balance

[restive river]

It’s all Humhow, Erra, Pragahsa on auto pilot or Natah with the mimics

[feral cape]

The murexs also share the mind of praghasa

Who was being puppeted by natah

[restive river]

You have a gross misunderstanding of why they hate the Orokin and all of humanity

[feral cape]

Who was being puppeted by ballas

[dense salmon]

There it is, the Ballas excuse again

[feral cape]

Primary antagonist is the Primary antagonist

Glad we figured this out

[restive river]

Do we need to spell out why Ballas hates us too?

[dense salmon]

They can't even have their own thoughts and ideas, because they dont have anything about them other than being a generic bad guy, and when that's pointed out the excuse comes that they were then being controlled by an even more generic bad guy.

They want to go home or at least stop others from reaching Tau

But have done nothing to actually do either or

[restive river]

Why do you think the Sentients killed all those humans during the Old War?
Cause it wasn’t Ballas.

[feral cape]

In a deranged attempt to transport himself and his cult to Tau, Ballas opened portals between the Void and conventional reality on an unprecedented scale.

They literally did

You clearly dont pay attention

[restive river]

Still don’t know where you’re getting them stopping others from going to Tau.

[dense salmon]

Because they were generic bad guys written to be an ancient threat that we must unite and fight against, completely destroying the original writing and pointbof Warframe which was us fighting to maintain a balance in the Origin System against multiple factions

[restive river]

What do you think is gonna happen if the Grineer or Corpus even get to Tau, if they ever could?
They’d just be blown out of the metaphorical water.

[restive river]

Wdym original writing?? The Old War against the sentients like. Is part of the original plot?
And it wasn’t cause they were some bad ancient threat, they weren’t even ancient at the time
They hate the Orokin and humanity because they view them as a destructive force, they don’t want the home they made to be ruined by them.

We don’t even know which side shot first
But it was most likely the Orokin considering their track record

Especially with their own creations disobeying them.

[feral cape]

I mean it would've had to have been the sentients they came here guns blazing

[restive river]

You want generic evil?
It’s the Orokin.
Not the slaves pushed too far.

[feral cape]

I severely doubt they came for a tea party

[restive river]

I doubt they’d come in peace but I doubt they’d try and start a fight anyway

Which
The Sentients were winning?? They overpowered the Orokin easily

The Orokin only won briefly with the Warframes, those failed, then the Tenno show up and oop they can control them and now they can win

Which
It wasn’t even a proper victory? The solar rail was destroyed, the Sentients still have Tau

They fought back against their oppressors
That’s the Sentients

[twin wigeon]

ngl the sentients are good guys, except that they wanna kill everyone but like

[restive river]

Literally the only bad thing about them is they viewed all humanity as Orokin and attacked civilians
Which
They only did because of their one example of humanity, which was the Orokin-

[twin wigeon]

they terraformed Tau but saw what the Orokin did to earth and so they wanted to kill them and stop ppl from dmging the planets

[restive river]

Were they wrong?
Yes!
Hunhow is an example of a sentient being proved wrong
Heck even the Lotus is! She came to love us
And Erra is literally remorseful
Like
They get an actual moment with a normal empathic human and wow! We’re not all terrible long armed losers? Who coulda guessed!

“the sentients are generic bad guys”

The Lotus literally planning and assisting in the genocide of the Orokin:

[restive river]

Not even just Earth, the entire system!

That’s why the Orokin wanted Tau, they realized they would run out of reaources and wanted to expand

And they would have if not for the Sentients realizing that oh
The Orokin suck

Which yeah, unfortunately extended to the rest of Humanity but as we have witnessed when a Sentient gets to meet a non-Orokin properly that hate dissolves
Cause the rest of humanity isn’t the Orokin

[dense salmon]

And it sure would have great if that was included in how they acted as threats when they showed up in game.

By actively taking down the factions that actually do harm and simulated the the Orokin Empire more, the Grineer and Corpus, which would also make them a foil to the Tenno but without the temper of us keeping the system in check.

Instead what we got was them wanting to fight us because we're the threat. Written as generic bad guys without an actual methodology, until they suddenly become colonisers. Oh but that's Ballas' fault, which makes them even more generic as they ended up just following the orders of their horrific Oppressors to hunt down the Tenno for... Who knows being a threat.

A threat to what. Good luck finding out that part of their character lol

[restive river]

Where are you getting the fact they didn’t fight the Corpus and Grineer?
You’re also forgetting that the sentients we fight are manipulated by Ballas, another reason they fight us

You aren’t separating the Sentient faction and Narmer, one we have barely spent actual time with whereas the other is controlled by a mad man who hates the Tenno.

Heck the Sentients take down all of humanity because they view them as akin to the Orokin, which includes us because we fought for them.

Every time we see fight the sentients in game which do you think it is?
The Sentient faction or Ballas manipulating them?
Cause
It’s Ballas, the Sacrifice? Ballas manipulating Natah
Hunhow? Manipulated by Ballas AND hates all of humanity because he views them all as the Orokin.
Narmer as a whole is just controlled by Ballas and brainwashed by his ideals.

We get time with actual sentients and when we do we prove them wrong, but until that point they’re controlled BY Ballas.
We don’t face off against the Sentients in the same way that we did during the Old War.

[tall echo]

I wish we could free erra but he made too great an error

[restive river]

During the Old War the Sentients fought all of humanity to protect their newfound home
To destroy humanity so they wouldn’t ruin everything, they treated all humanity as the Orokin
That would include the Corpus and Grineer
Which
It still would, Hunhow isn’t buddies with any faction, he only tolerates the Stalker because he’s an ally to him in his fight against us
Which
Hunhow also hates us specifically for taking his daughter away

We don’t get a chance to fight the sentients that have the same cause as they did during the old war
Instead we get
Angry space grandpa
Brainwashed space mom, space uncle and puppeted corpse of space grandma
That’s it

Heck even when Ballas has control Narmer goes after every other faction, the sentient fragments are actively going after the Corpus and Grineer

We literally witness that at the start of the New War
So
I don’t understand the issue, how are they generically evil when they either have actual cause or are flat-out being manipulated by Ballas
Oh but you don’t like the Ballas excuse! Too bad, he’s the primary antagonist, he’s the reason we are fighting them again at all.
So what’s the problem?

[high bay]

Is it a reasonable headcanon to think that the Grineer and Corpus have units that carry Geiger counters? Follow-up: is it marvel tier writing to think that said units start panicking when a Tenno squad shows up and they see their Geiger counters start going ballistic, and then they hear the unmistakable sound of concrete scraping against metal flooring

[dense salmon]

The fact that it's all Ballas pretty much sells the point and issue of them being this generic bad guy faction.

Which thanks for proving my point I guess.

Yeah the fact that you have to, no NEED to, excuse and write off them being controlled by Ballas to cover up how much of a generic bad guy faction they are speaks to how little there actually character matters due to them needing, or Steve wanting them, to be this 'Us vs Them' enemy faction.

Instead of an actual addition to the Origin System where they also play a role in the delicate balance, a balance that was thrown out the window for an ancient enemy faction that we don't even care about anymore.

[restive river]

Fine
Refuse to listen

[restive river]

I can see some of them having geiger counters yeah

Likely built into their suits

[twin wigeon]

Our Void energy doesn't seem to be like gamma radiation so it wouldn't trigger geigers. Also, pretty sure that kind of tech should be lost in the radiation wars. But for the sake of the head cannon, i think their geiger's would explode as soon as Qorvex touches down on the ground

[dense salmon]

Also the Ballas thing makes them even less of a faction, turns out we're also fighting the Orokin again lmao

[twin wigeon]

Now Scaldra... might have geigers since they do got nuclear reactors so yeah i guess they'd start panicking but like not as much as they probably should because they got effervon to kill the Techrotten like our warframes so

[normal mountain]

Head cannon...
A head-mounted cannon, while definitely impractical, does sound pretty cool
DE when?

[lean garden]

Just need to shift what qorvex has a lil upwards and blammo

[twin wigeon]

we got Moas 😄 they got cannons for heads?

[lean garden]

Eh, close, their heads are below the cannon

[normal mountain]

I love the idea, but I think Thor did that first, sadly

[lean garden]

Like their heads are at the crotch section

[normal mountain]

https://tenor.com/view/thor-destroyer-oven-monster-gif-10513806

[twin wigeon]

Jade but her 4 unleashes a beam of Jade Light

or Dagath, she can fit a death beam on her head

after all, there's not much there...

[normal mountain]

Dagath head beam
Love it!

[twin wigeon]

or get somebody to use battacor alt and blast thru Dagath's head again and give her trauma from the first time

[dense salmon]

Surprised that's not an Augment already tbh

[twin wigeon]

OOO

Jade 3 but instead the Ophan's detach from her and act as Jade light beams that hover over ppl and blast them like regular Jade eximus

although, no more slow but the armor strip is still there and the Ophans act as summoned minions bc we need more minions :p

man id love to be an intern for DE

[humble sierra]

Jade 4 but instead of a secondary it's a melee and you swing the baby around

[twin wigeon]

https://tenor.com/view/writing-fire-gif-523038869044733220

[brittle siren]

the problem is, DE can't just free Hunhow and even he is no longer hostile with us. Why would the Sentient want to do anything with us if we have the same goal as them.

As of for now, Archons and Pazuul still hate Orokin, cuz they died in the Old War and wanted revenge. Hunhow, Natah and Erra understood the situation and decide to changed. Not to mention, we have not even have any info about Tau, where most Sentient is still remain.

[brittle siren]

better: Orion/Sirius hold their dad and swing him around

[brittle siren]

Sure Sentient is kinda lack of content rn, but DE obviously know that. They would add more content about them when the time is right

[stiff fable]

I... Don't think Hunhow has changed quite as much as we'd like. I think it's pure practicality on his part.

[twin wigeon]

Hunhow is still stuck on Uranus wallowing in ancient grudges. Sentients lack content rn bc lore wise theres no real reason to venture across the void just to fight us

[stiff fable]

He can't extinguish human life from the universe so he'll settle for freeing Natah from Orokin enslavement.

[twin wigeon]

after all the Sentients lost like more than twice with following ballas in the sacrifice and following him in the New War

[stiff fable]

(also currently the Sentient Armada is leaderless again, DE could introduce more true Sentients if they wanted to)

[lean garden]

but we could venture across to fight them RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH

[twin wigeon]

plus we alr munch on the fragments of their head honchos (Archon shards)

mmmmm jolly ranchers

cronch

[humble sierra]

And instead of angelic choir singing, it's sounds of the baby's laughter as he slaughters his mother's foes

[twin wigeon]

yk it'd be nice if caliban bps dropped from Archon's

or like a kind of token that could be redeemed in Kahl shop

[lean garden]

like a guaranteed one or?

[twin wigeon]

smth like the heartcells rn

[storm hearth]

or styanax?

[twin wigeon]

i hate how bad the rng is for his bps

[humble sierra]

Or isoplasts for completing missions too

[stiff fable]

I think Caliban should have been a fight during TNW

[storm hearth]

like ballas goes like hey here this warframe i just created now you gonna fight him after killing that archon

[stiff fable]

Right, or he has the key to Ballas's throne room

[dense salmon]

I still think it's funny that in the decade of Sentient content, we have like... TWO actual characters for them. Jury's out on how much Erra and Pazuul are different

[storm hearth]

ooo like a guardian?

[stiff fable]

Yeah exactly

[stiff fable]

Also all of this could be avoided if the Archons could talk

[storm hearth]

that would be cool

[stiff fable]

Which they can, supposedly

Also funny story but Pazuul's shard color is orange

[storm hearth]

maybe like an option if you want to spare him or kill like the adversarys but like both choices give you his BP

[past halo]

Okay so what was the Coda Bassocyst and Coda Torxica originally were before they became the flesh-ridden firearms Eleanor kindly gives us

[stiff fable]

Oh heck that would have been cool

Bassocyst shoots hands right

[lean garden]

hands? wussunt it a sound blast?

[storm hearth]

no its like face huggers from alien

[twin wigeon]

no, pretty sure it pulls us to the mercy target like a tongue

[past halo]

I think the Bassocyst was originally a boombox

[twin wigeon]

it is a boombox

[stiff fable]

Oh LOL yeah

The primary fire and alt fire have a base damage of 808 and 303 respectively. These are likely references to the Roland TR-808 and TB-303 electronic drum and bass machines.

The magazine size and maximum ammo of 24 and 96 are likely references to audio as well. 24-bit, 96 kHz audio files, commonly referred to as 24/96, are among the most commonly distributed high-resolution audio formats.

[twin wigeon]

… i love DE

[storm hearth]

dont we all

[past halo]

That's actually pretty clever

[twin wigeon]

Indeed

[past halo]

Now what were the Torxica? I think they were once power drills

[storm hearth]

yes

the barrels are even spirals

like drills

[twin wigeon]

imagine in tau we got an open world where we attack sentient strongholds or smth and then an unaltered Archon confronts us like a sentient Lich

[storm hearth]

lowkey that would be intersting

[twin wigeon]

Bc our Archons are Sentient Warframe hybrids

but the real ones are peacekeepers on Tau so thats why they wanna stop us

[brittle siren]

wdym 2

[stiff fable]

Soulframe players have been joking since the lore notes dropped that the whole thing is just Tau

[lean garden]

Lmao

[past halo]

Aren't the Archons currently serving the goat man

[lean garden]

is that prelude 9 content?

[stiff fable]

Alca even has two suns

[storm hearth]

but like insted of loki prime mag prime and rino prime they do it for the warframe you currently have like lets say you spawn one and you currently had Lavos prime on an archon would then be a lavos prime archon

[lean garden]

Tau Ceti is a single star system

[stiff fable]

Yeah, turns out the Ode'n are ||a space faring empire that actually managed to spread||

[twin wigeon]

our Archons are facsimiles or copies of the originals using warframe corpses

[stiff fable]

but the star isn't a blue star while WF Tau is

[brittle siren]

I mean he show "friend"ship with us, he shown empathy with Jade and Stalker, he changing slowly but steady
Beside his family is broken and he know Ballas is dead, which give him nothing to do beside trapped in Uranus

[stiff fable]

Amalgams, actually

[twin wigeon]

^^^

[lean garden]

I thought that was known since the earlier preludes?

[twin wigeon]

Nef Anyo reference???

[stiff fable]

Yeah but they've found some English notation in addition to the fayscript

[old dome]

...alad v mustve been very happy to know that, i think. considering he wanted to make amalgams for a while now (i think??)

[brittle siren]

Alad V

[storm hearth]

you mean Alad V?

[twin wigeon]

dammit

[lean garden]

Just cuz my ham and eggs aint green don't mean I got tweedledee and tweedledum

[brittle siren]

I mean he will do anything related to warframe

[twin wigeon]

i messed it up big time ;-;

[stiff fable]

hahaha

[brittle siren]

the last thing he did is the infested

and ig he immortal now

[stiff fable]

Nah, he did the Amalgams more recently

Star Chart isn't in order >.>

[brittle siren]

isn't his last appearance is in Eris?

[stiff fable]

Infested Alad V happens BEFORE Second Dream

[brittle siren]

since y'know, there is no way his body can heal that fast

[storm hearth]

we cured him during an old event

[old dome]

speaking of salad 5... i wish they had kept the event that cured alad v in the lore as a side mission—if only to explain the whole. mutalist 5 thing & how hes still alive and NOT infested.

[stiff fable]

Technically Infested Alad should be on Deimos

[brittle siren]

ohhhhhh

thanks for the info

[storm hearth]

no problem

[twin wigeon]

maybe if we got sentient liches they wouldn’t copy our abilities but instead have resistances to types of abilities themselves like theyd negate it entirely

[brittle siren]

so he still managing the amalgam?

[stiff fable]

Yeah, theoretically

[storm hearth]

yes by force

[old dome]

force??

[brittle siren]

we will have to wait at least a year

[stiff fable]

imo sentient Liches should be archon shards mounted on a copy of your Warframe

[brittle siren]

imagine Jade Archon

[stiff fable]

Qorvex Archon

Radiation damage + immortality mode

[brittle siren]

isnt he not exist until Loid give his bp to us

[storm hearth]

Umbra archon

[brittle siren]

or maybe, Sentient Liches will copy our current form?

[stiff fable]

Albrecht originally built him in the Old War

[twin wigeon]

I mean the only reason our archons are warframe based is bc they’re using warframe corpses that fell during the new war

[brittle siren]

ah yeah, but again isn't him is one of the frame that not appear in public

like he only serve to protect the lab iirc

[storm hearth]

you know whats strange about qorvex how the ever loving VOID did elbrect get his hands on concrete???

[twin wigeon]

pretty sure qorvex only existed after the kalymos sequence bc thats when he was to be needed

[stiff fable]

We have no idea what happened with Qorvex's originals

[brittle siren]

Wally nail

[stiff fable]

nah the lore says he was built to protect the labs back in the day

[twin wigeon]

OH GOD

[brittle siren]

tbh I still think that Qorvex concrete is made of dead murmur part

[twin wigeon]

Rogue Qorvex roams some part of the labs after getting corrupted by Wally?

[old dome]

tbh i dont feel like its hard to do....... its not like there isnt an abundance of it.

[storm hearth]

dont they turn to dust when they die?

[brittle siren]

isn't that apply to all enemy ingame when we kill them?

[stiff fable]

The armor could be made of Voca

[brittle siren]

even if Murmur turn to dust, Albrecht may able to preserve it

[twin wigeon]

the murmur seem to be made of concrete too

or some voidstone

same with stela

[brittle siren]

and he need Stela

[storm hearth]

but wouldnt it be obsolete or im dumb i know concrete is on of the best mitarels to protect aginst radiation

[brittle siren]

which is made from, say the word: MURMUR

[old dome]

yeaaaaahhh... that didnt quite work, did it?? where is he when the labs are currently being overrun by murmurs

[stiff fable]

I mean it DID work, just not forever

[brittle siren]

"Tenno, the Warframe Qorvex was designed by my Albrecht's own hand, to protect the chosen Operator from the hazards of his laboratory. This design is yours by right."

[twin wigeon]

Rogue Qorvex…

[stiff fable]

Qorvex kept Wally out of the lab, but then Ballas broke the Wall...

[brittle siren]

so he NEVER appear until we craft him, based on Loid word

[stiff fable]

Mm doesn't guarantee that

[old dome]

no it wouldnt. same way ceramic isnt.

what DID go obsolete is just the overall old history of the origin system bc. orokin didnt vibe w that ig??

[stiff fable]

Doesn't say it never was built, just that he designed it for the Operator

[old dome]

we shouldve piloted qorvex instead of the vessels... or at least seen him around.

[brittle siren]

chosen OP

[storm hearth]

.....i see well

[brittle siren]

it not just for any OP

it was for US only

[twin wigeon]

i mean qorvex was likely concieved during the old war but lacked an operator

[storm hearth]

are you sure?

[brittle siren]

that could be the case too

[silk atlas]

Nothing suggests it was for Operator only
He was designed for the Operator, but lord knows they're not just gonna make a single frame one time and call it a day.

[twin wigeon]

wait… wouldn’t that mean some poor individual got turned into a nuclear reactor?

[stiff fable]

But Qorvex theoretically isn't enough to stop Wally, hence the Vessels

[brittle siren]

btw unrelated, but is it a Argon crystal inside this thing?

[old dome]

a nuclear bomb isnt enough but ceramic statues are??

[stiff fable]

Not necessarily, it's theoretically possible to build a Warframe the way we do, with no infested person

[brittle siren]

well yeah, literally every frame

[silk atlas]

Like how Protea was designed for Parvos but there's still the Prime and whatnot.

[stiff fable]

Fam you know what the Vessels are right

[storm hearth]

WAAAAAAIT WHAT IF HE WAS UNFINSHED BECAUSE ALBREACT INTERACTED WALLY SO HE WAS INSANE AND NEVER FINSHED MAKING HIM (clinicly insane right here)

[stiff fable]

They're giant Warframes

[silk atlas]

That's not ceramic man.

[stiff fable]

They're literally clones of the Hex made with the Grey Strain Infestation

[strange plinth]

probably one of those reactive crystals that are all over entrati stuff
since based on the kaya convo, any argon would go back to the void after a while

[old dome]

...i keep forgetting that bc they look like ceramic statues.

[brittle siren]

maybe he able to keep it in there with void energy

[twin wigeon]

how much foresight does albrecht have to predict that wally was gonna attack the labs that he'd have to make a special warframe for us

[stiff fable]

I mean

[old dome]

then what material is it...?

[stiff fable]

Is it really foresight if you're time traveling

[silk atlas]

Whatever the Infestation it's made of is doing lol

[strange plinth]

gray strain + helminth, essentially

[brittle siren]

and some Voca

[storm hearth]

i mean i wouldnt be wrong to assume wally is kinda of a hazared

[stiff fable]

The armor would be "swordsteel" like the Warframes are made of

[twin wigeon]

vessels are made of infested flesh + somatic circuits i think to allow transference and time travel

[brittle siren]

Caliban cough

[stiff fable]

The time travel thing came later

[brittle siren]

also said "nothing" is just ignoring Loid words. So you saying Loid is lying to us?

[stiff fable]

No, we think you're focusing too much on the wrong thing

[brittle siren]

Albrecht Entrati designed Qorvex to protect a Chosen Operator from the unique hazards of his lab. A Crucible Core gives Qorvex high survivability as he provides crowd control.

[strange plinth]

it was designed for the chosen operator. but there's nothing saying there weren't more of them
as in, more qorvex. not more chosen operators

[brittle siren]

codexx entry

[stiff fable]

All Warframes are Infested but not all Infested are Warframes

[silk atlas]

Yes.

That still doesn't stop other people from using Qorvex for any other reason outside of what Albrecht wanted Qorvex for.

[stiff fable]

That kind of deal

[brittle siren]

but knowing Albrecht, he didn't mass produce any warframe (beside necramech)

[stiff fable]

Albrecht never built Necramechs

That was Father

[silk atlas]

He doesn't need to be the one to make other Qorvexs specifically, anyway

[stiff fable]

(I realize that's also besides the point)

[brittle siren]

you mean "invent"
since there literally a whole factory in Albrecht lab

[stiff fable]

That's still not Albrecht building them

OH! better example

The Warframes were built to fight the Sentients

So why are all the Warframes in the lore doing things other than fighting the Sentients

[brittle siren]

what...
the necra bot literally are building one when they activating the machine

[stiff fable]

Er. No, they're summoning them.

[brittle siren]

you forgot protea

[stiff fable]

It's a delivery system

[stiff fable]

Oh dear. You actually are missing the point we're making

Yes, Protea was made for Parvos

But the Warframes were meant to be weapons against the Sentients

[brittle siren]

yes but does it mean he know to craft 1 himself? it not like that tech is classified

[stiff fable]

It's the same kind of deal with Qorvex

[silk atlas]

...The exact example I used to show that there's no reason that there should guaranteed be a singular Qorvex?

[brittle siren]

Qorvex was made not for Sentient, it for protect the lab from Wally

[stiff fable]

That's exactly what we're saying

[silk atlas]

Albrecht? We have no clue.

[stiff fable]

The fact that there are Warframes doing OTHER THINGS other than fighting the Sentients mean that there could be thousands of other Qorvexes

[brittle siren]

but there is no evident that there is 1 in the past, yes?

and we could only base on what Loid said, it was made for US

[stiff fable]

Fam, going by lore there's no evidence that any Warframe ever doubt the Sentients

There is not a single story about any Warframe fighting the Sentients

[brittle siren]

so even if he did exist at a time in Old War, no one is using him

[stiff fable]

Which was their entire purpose

No, we're saying the opposite

[silk atlas]

And Protea for Parvos, and then we got her Prime.

[brittle siren]

So the cutscene show in Erra quest is also not "story" telling warframe fighting Sentient?

[stiff fable]

That's not lore that's story

There's a difference

[brittle siren]

her Prime definitely made by Ballas

[brittle siren]

what...

story tell the lore ffs

[stiff fable]

No it doesn't

[brittle siren]

wdym story and lore is different?

[stiff fable]

Story in games is what happens

Mario jumps on Bowser's head is story

[brittle siren]

or you mean story by word of mouth?

[stiff fable]

The ten thousand word writeup of the great Mushroom Kingdom war where Bowser swears to destroy the princess is lore

[silk atlas]

At least some form of Protea was made by the both of them, but there still the fact that there's one that's faffing about that's not Parvos's.

Which is going to be the exact same thing that's gonna go on with Qorvex.

[stiff fable]

"Lore" is a kind of super lazy game writing where someone tells you something that happened somewhere else but you can't see it

I used to work in game writing and I hated that part of it

[brittle siren]

yes, but if there is someone already pilot him in Old War, it will ruin the word "for Chosen Operator"

[feral cape]

Mag

[stiff fable]

No it wouldn't

[feral cape]

Also mirage

[stiff fable]

That's what we've been trying to say this entire time

The fact that something is created for a specific purpose or person doesn't mean there weren't others

[brittle siren]

imagine your dad made you a toy car and then he give it to someone to play first before you

[stiff fable]

That.... Happens a lot.

[brittle siren]

and that also ruin the meaning of that gift

[silk atlas]

That's not the same thing. What would be here is him making the exact same car toy twice and giving one to someone else and you the other.

[strange plinth]

imagine your dad designed a toy car for you and gave a copy to someone else first. its different

[stiff fable]

Like, basically all the toy companies ever started with someone making a toy for someone and then realizing "hey I could sell this"

[silk atlas]

Now whether or not you're going to still appreciate the toy because your dad still made one for you or you're going to complain that he also like someone else as much as you that they also get the toy is a different story.

[brittle siren]

I mean sure, but I still think Qorvex at that time is automatic and no one riding it

if any OP doing it before us, there is no secrecy in Kalymos sequence anymore, unless they died when driving Qorvex

idk if Albrecht release Qorvex out in the Old war to fight

[stiff fable]

Or they went to sleep and never woke up, or they went and did a different job after their contract with Albrecht ran out

[dense salmon]

Like they have such interesting lore. Like apparently Amar taught Space Mom, Nira was the eldest and was a seductress, Boreal was smug.

But they don't speak. Hell I wanna know if Caliban has an 'original' personality

[stiff fable]

The point is that it genuinely doesn't matter

[brittle siren]

btw, what happen to the rest of the Tenno when we drifting in the void in New War

[stiff fable]

Also you're forgetting that Albrecht's an ass

[dense salmon]

Still waiting for an Augment called Lethal Familia where we summon those Three

[dense salmon]

As are all Orokin lmao.

[stiff fable]

As far as we can tell they started getting alpha striked by Narmer and went into hiding

I keep telling people this but the Tenno can't win the war

[silk atlas]

The other OPs can just be doing entirely unrelated things to the Kalymos Sequence with their Qorvexs.

[brittle siren]

he an a-hole but Ballas is a garbage dump, Albrecht the most sane a-hole we got

[stiff fable]

If either side actually beat the other, we'd lose

[silk atlas]

Sadly

[stiff fable]

Which is what happened in New War

Sentients took over the Corpus, then the Grineer, drove out the Tenno and forced the Infestation to not f around for a change

[brittle siren]

unless it Rell, his shadow would insta kill Narmer

[dense salmon]

We were never meant for War, we were suppose to be space espionage and sabotage.

It's why we have the orbiter to sneak around and explode stuff.

Sentients introducing all these War events, like Railjack, and Necramech, and whatever else just kills the vibe.

[brittle siren]

Deimos Infested: hold our Fass

[strange plinth]

huh?

[dense salmon]

Also funny that the Infested just didn't do anything the whole time

[brittle siren]

uh Ballas use us as a war weapon lmao, by pilot warframes

[silk atlas]

I mean they are meant for war, it's in the name, there's just no numbers to back it up

[lean garden]

the frames of war... not for war?

[silk atlas]

Which is why they were supplemented with Dax

[stiff fable]

Yeah so technically? The Tenno have never fought the "real" Corpus or Grineer soldiers

Every mission in Warframe is us going after a weakly defended target

[lean garden]

I have it on extremely good authority that strategic sabotage of installations is still an instrument of war

[dense salmon]

Yeah back during the whole era where we could have mass production of Warframes, supplemented with Dax who were the 'Real' soldiers

[brittle siren]

because it do not care, the only thing they do is consume. I doubt Narmer has done anything to push Infested, since 50% is Sentient in their rank

[dense salmon]

Like even then Warframes were things of myth

A female Dax didn't even know they existed until she saw a Mag Prime

[brittle siren]

it still not denied that the Tenno isn't train to be solider

[strange plinth]

yeah, and steel path is teshin calling ahead for an actual fighting force.
but the warframes, built specifically to fight sentients during the old war because necramechs weren't good enough,
are not for war?

[lean garden]

not a dax, was just a goober

[dense salmon]

We were meant to sneak in, explode the reactor, and leave.

Not have dog fights or whatever

At least at our current stat

[lean garden]

which I can say with full confidence is still part of warfare

[tall echo]

Still going?

[stiff fable]

I think they mean "Frontline/trench combat", which is kinda accurate

[brittle siren]

or idk, because Ballas still experimenting how good the Tenno when in real fight, so he only send a few out? and maybe after that he mass produced more

[lean garden]

I mean, we did see a staggered defence battle in Lua

[brittle siren]

oh ok, fair enough

[lean garden]

fought with dax and warframes

[dense salmon]

I guess my idea of War was more for front line battles, but yeah the sneaky sabotage is part of War.

[lean garden]

And the mag prime entry is mag going to the frontlines

[brittle siren]

not all frames is design to be sneaky

[lean garden]

in the very ill advised Tau theatre

[brittle siren]

imagine telling Hildryn and Rhino sneaky

[stiff fable]

That's not to say it didn't happen, but it wasn't the primary objective of the program to create that kind of soldier

[dense salmon]

Hildryn's whole deal was to stay behind, like the Prime trailer made it so that Ballas made her to stay at the back lines

[stiff fable]

Frames are best compared to special forces

[brittle siren]

she could go in front line, but Ballas make her to be elite guard so she could protect the higher up

[stiff fable]

Mobile strike teams with extremely lethal capabilities

[lean garden]

who are also able to run defence missions

[brittle siren]

yeah due to the number of Tenno is less than any other faction

[lean garden]

the RCP on a tenno is massive

[stiff fable]

But not long term

They go in to, heh, cover an extraction, not hold a defensive position

[lean garden]

what is "long term"

[lean garden]

I can safely say, this is not always the case

[stiff fable]

Weeks to months

[dense salmon]

Yeah most siege and war battles take weeks at best

[stiff fable]

Or longer given how everything in the Old War takes place over huge timescales

[proper barn]

Necramechs had 1 bad experience with a Sentient a early prototype and then the seven just dropped it like a bag of hammer.

[lean garden]

but also like, Lua

[dense salmon]

The Scarlet Spear taking place over a month for like one Skirmish is an example

[dense salmon]

They also failed so hard guarding it that the Son of the Main Invasion force got in

[lean garden]

Which in defence missions is not some damning evidence

[proper barn]

Father kept making new Necramechs it's just one if the very early ones got beaten by a Sentient and the seven where like "yeah this early Necramech did bad so we aren't going with that plan" @strange plinth

[brittle siren]

because Ballas give him the easy way in

bruh

[lean garden]

it doesnt matter where you stop the agressor, it matters that you stop the agressor

to which the Kiddy Miku Miku Beam did the trick

[strange plinth]

sounds like the seven yeah lol
didn't know that tho

[stiff fable]

Lua would actually be a good example of what I'm talking about; as far as we're aware Lua wasn't besieged for an extended period of time, instead the Sentients conducted a strike that was countered by the Tenno. Using special forces to fight special forces.

[brittle siren]

"so the necramech fail, what next?"
"let abuse infestation that give us a headache a few years ago and make some puny human suffer"

[proper barn]

That person wasn't a Dax.

Specifically.

The Orokin had normal Soilders. Even Orokin soilders. @dense salmon father was part of a RJ crew.

[brittle siren]

I think Ballas just want every Orokin died so he can be the only king

[proper barn]

It's from a g-ma email.

[brittle siren]

by making every good decision go down in drain

[proper barn]

No he's just it's never his fault in his mind.

[stiff fable]

That came later

[lean garden]

eeeeeeeeeh, the thing is that we know that warframes were positioned in lua's defence. It's one thing to say they were deployed to counterstrike, and another to say that they were part of the defence strategy, of which hildryn prime's trailer demonstrates was a clear consideration

[brittle siren]

I think his idea even from when the Sentient was made already

[lean garden]

ofc theyre not mutually exclusive, but defence is a capability of the warframe

[dense salmon]

Pretty much what I mean, the Tenno were never the main War Force. They were the A-Team or whatever, but they did not do front line battles.

[brittle siren]

he purposely said keep self learning robot instead of remove them

[strange plinth]

got hit with a (probably) ropalolyst what did they want from it lmfao

[brittle siren]

and the rules in Orokin empire is not to create them

[proper barn]

I'm saying the person you said was a Dax wasn't.

[dense salmon]

Like they were pretty much Eversor equivalents than anything

[dense salmon]

Fair enough, could've sworn she was a Dax. My b

[stiff fable]

We're getting a bit into the weeds here, but having Tenno around defending Lua seems more like they were part of an active defense, that is they went out and hit approaching ships rather than sitting in the garrison manning anti-air guns

[proper barn]

Well no he actually was the main one to say "NO" just cus even the 7 are easy to manipulate cuz the orokin where vain greedy individuals that loved breaking their own rules that they would punish others for breaking.

[stiff fable]

Warframes aren't really made to sit and use a turret when they could be flipping out and killing people

[lean garden]

Um

Why did you isolate the defence of an installation to manning AA guns?

[stiff fable]

.....because in space that's what a garrison is???

Like why wait for them to come to you just blow the transport out of the sky

[lean garden]

mind reminding me where I brought up the word garrison?

[stiff fable]

What do you think a defensive deployment is???

[lean garden]

Homie, I can definitely tell you that its more than just goobers sitting under an AA turret

[brittle siren]

I mean, he know very well that self learning robot can betray their own creator. And in the end of Old War, he purposely planned the Tenno kill all Orokin. I think the idea already stemmed from a very long time already

[proper barn]

The Dax and warframes are actually used as guards a lot. Like I counted like what 20 guards in the warframe lore.

[stiff fable]

They're being used as bodyguards for people who are mostly immortal

[proper barn]

Not at that time. The Orokin are literally just the worst and want things they can't Have.

[proper barn]

They are even called like "the prime vanguard"

[stiff fable]

Wasn't the prime vanguard something else?

[lean garden]

like AA turrets arent the be all end all of defensive deploments, especially if you have units that can personally traverse within space

[stiff fable]

Despite the name, vanguard means something else

They're the people who lead your offensive

[lean garden]

Yea despite having the word guard in the word they don't typically do much guarding

[brittle siren]

Ballas is a different kind of greed though.

[proper barn]

Well they are like what's the word. The elite warriors and stuffm

[lean garden]

hell the word itself is "before guard"

[proper barn]

There's a definition for it.

[brittle siren]

at least the Seven is tried to make peace to each other, Ballas just hate everything beside him

[proper barn]

Lmao but they where often deployed like commandos as well.

[feral cape]

guardian
look inside
mostly assassinations

[proper barn]

It's what they used atlas and guass and stuff for.

[stiff fable]

The Seven pretended to make nice

[lean garden]

be guardian
Kill gods???
guard?

[strange plinth]

proactive guarding

[stiff fable]

Behind the scenes they were mostly screwing each other over

Or laughing at each other's failures

[brittle siren]

I mean at least they not trying not to overthrown each other

unlike Ballas

[stiff fable]

...that we know

[brittle siren]

in New War he angry because he could not make OP and Natah bow down to him

[lean garden]

Given that the typical commando mission can be broken down into "raid" and "ambush" yea pretty much lol

[proper barn]

But their other main job

[brittle siren]

forgot Glassmaker too, but Ballas make a quick exile

[proper barn]

Was like protecting important people or things.

Voruna, Critine Titina

Protea Hyldri

[lean garden]

Inaros

[proper barn]

Lavos was a prison Guard.

[stiff fable]

We actually don't know what Inaros's original intended role was

Just that he started acting as a protector god

[lean garden]

Inaros Prime... once-protector of the master artisans of Luna Placida... and keeper of their secrets. A walking treasure map if ever there was one. The Orokin are dead as dust, and with them your obligation. I, however, am very much alive and... I need stock. For a modest investment we can both do quite well AND keep my kiosk well supplied with Orokin wonders. What say you?

Put that VIP bodyguarding in yo resume

[stiff fable]

Yeah but that's the prime tho'

Also wow that's ancient lore I'd genuinely forgotten about

[brittle siren]

I think he also came there to do the mission stealing kids but decide that too cruel so he defected

[stiff fable]

Never stated

But definitely possible given how that seems like a breaking point for a lot of people

[brittle siren]

that why I said "I think"
because why he would be there just for some puny village

unless he coming with the Orokin and do a mission there

[stiff fable]

I kinda just assumed he went AWOL and found the village while running away

[brittle siren]

it sound alike to Ash story

[proper barn]

Like the ash story was ash defying the orokin.

A lot of our stories are the warframes defying the Orokin

Even before the Night of Naga drums.

[brittle siren]

thanks to Kullervo

/j

[proper barn]

Lul

[swift relic]

Kullervo out here being accused by Ballas for crimes Ballas probably told him to do

[brittle siren]

nah he did all of that for himself

[stiff fable]

Ballas was implied to have been negging Kullervo into killing the dude he killed

[brittle siren]

well yeah but beside that, other stuff like kill his mom or filling idea in Tenno head is all him

[glacial bough]

Most of that stuff was already in the works too begin with

[dense salmon]

Of all the Warframes, which one do y'all think hate him the most. Yeah we have Umbra, but Kullervo got shunted into Duviri which is arguably just as bad if he also feels all the death his clones/copies go through

[graceful swan]

Hear me out

The one you're using hates him the most because most times it’s you seeing what Ballas did while using a frame of choice

[stray gale]

umbra, stalker, and kullervo gotta be the top 3

[proper barn]

umbra was alive and sentient trapped in a moon just thinking about how ballas made him kill his son. he doesn't GET OUT UNTIL we take the MOON OUT OF THE VOID. then after that he gets out goes to his old house nothing but a tree is left and ballas is STILL ALIVE AND HE'S THERE AND HE KILLS HIM.

[reef sandal]

Ballas deserved

[brittle siren]

Stalker can't even remember who did this to him and Jade

[old dome]

imo:

• jade. she has dibs on hating him.
• natah & margulis & lotus—yes, all 3 of them.
• umbra.
• kullervo.
• literally every other frame except protea & gara.

stalker doesnt & literally cannot hate ballas bc that slimy incel dangled the hope of seeing jade in front of him,, he controlled sorren w it. jade on the other hand........

[twin wigeon]

Imagine if we gotta return to the bridge of the zariman and fly it to Tau, and in doing another void jump with the Holdfasts we gain more operator abilities

And then we gotta fight in Tau as our Operator bc the Sentients shrouded the planet in Murex fields

[tall echo]

We can't move the zariman

[twin wigeon]

not with that attitude we can’t. Hopefully we can bring back Entrati and have him fix our rj or the zariman to void jump

[tall echo]

The zariman is plugging a vital hole in the membrane between realspace and the void, so unless you want to doom half the origin system, no, we can not move it.

Yonta states that it'd be fully capable of successfully making the jump but it'd be a terrible, terrible idea

[twin wigeon]

i hate it when my favorite cork in The Wall is saving billions of lives 😔

[white sable]

When I first played the Warframe, I didn't paid that much attention to all the enemies Excalibur, Volt and Mag were fighting
But after playing for a while and recognizing them and knowing what those enemies were
I was wondering last weekend,
Why were Tenno fighting against Dax?

[twin wigeon]

We’re the good guys fs

[swift sentinel]

Dax were compelled (genetically?) to obey and defend the Orokin. When the Tenno rebelled, they became enemies for the Dax to try and destroy.

[white sable]

Ah so it was that scene from that war I see

[dense salmon]

It was called the Orokin Massacre for a reason. Tenno killed all that were related to the Orokin as a whole, sparing the innocents, even then they still killed the soldiers because they had to

Somehow Nihil survived, which baffled me because you'd think the Tenno would call dibs on murdering him specifically.

[swift sentinel]

I'm not sure we spared the 'innocent', there are very few surviving Orokin after all.

Less than a dozen in total, I think.

[dense salmon]

Yeah probably didn't really spare the 'innocent', we did kill Son's Bethroed.

[old dome]

hes like a slippery eel...

[twin wigeon]

dw we glassed him :>

[swift sentinel]

He glassed himself to escape the slaughter, then we trap him in the Oubliette when we find him later.

[stray herald]

how does glassing work?

[normal mountain]

Hear me out:
What if we figured out how to move the hole with the Zariman, so it doesn't unleash a horrific Void Storm while it travels to Tau?

[cunning tapir]

i don't think one simply moves a hole in the literal space time continuum.

[graceful swan]

The one dude who has the highest chance of figuring that out ran away

[tall echo]

He probably glassed himself at the first sign of danger

[stray herald]

how does glassing work?

[graceful swan]

“if they wanted to make an example, they'd suck up your soul and make you a prisoner of the glass, forever”

[stray herald]

so its like orokin tech? like how they use kuva to body swap?

but without the body swap

[graceful swan]

You get turned to glass
Then they turn you into a Cephalon

Every Cephalon was once a human

[strange plinth]

is suda the only one we know was willingly turned into a cephalon?

[graceful swan]

Yes

[summer tundra]

can anyone translate the tenno text on this syandana?

[stiff fable]

Fwiw Nihil survived by abandoning his body and going into the Weave. He probably glassed himself and we assumed he committed die.

[worn crescent]

My question is why did they name him after the Latin word for nothing

And how much of void tongue have we translated?

[fallen oxide]

I still dont know who exactly nihil is

Is he the glasser that glasses over everyone?

[proper barn]

he was the like main judge.

that cared out stuff.

[fallen oxide]

Wasnt he part of the group that tuvul was in?

[proper barn]

yeah i think was part of the 7.

[restive river]

Unknown if he was part of the seven

[proper barn]

i mean he was there when they like

[restive river]

It’s theorized but I don’t recall if anything specifically says

[proper barn]

when the person for gara prime talked to them.

[restive river]

Okay?

[proper barn]

we think so i should say.

I'm just yapping cuz of word assocation .

lmao.

[restive river]

Protea Prime mentions Parvos and he’s not part of the Seven
Albrecht’s important and not part of the Seven

[proper barn]

yee

you are correct.

[normal mountain]

I mean, Ballas gives her glass powers to mock Nihil for demanding she be glassed
I know Ballas is petty, but I don't think he would have cared if Nihil wasn't somewhere in the upper Orokin hierarchy

[restive river]

Ehh, maybe
Nihil’s clearly important but it’s unknown if he’s part of the seven
Tbh if he’s demanding she be glassed and Ballas goes over his head to helminth her that says to me that Ballas either outranks him or just went behind his back
Which
Are equally likely

[humble sierra]

Are all 7 executors?

If so, do we know any confirmed executors besides Ballas and Tuvul?

[sly ibex]

Confirmed Executors are Ballas, Tuvul, Karishh, Avantus, and I believe Nihil.

So 2 as of yet unknown.

[brittle siren]

He turn into a Cephalon, so there's not much the Tenno can do to kill him
Beside, he was exiled long ago, so he may going to hiding like Ballas did

[brittle siren]

He used to be one of the Seven. We don't know if they fill anyone in Nihil role afterwards

[restive river]

When was it said he was one of the Seven?
Iirc he was an Executor but is that the same?

[brittle siren]

I mean Ballas is an Executor and one of the Seven. Or you mean the 7 Orokin Emperors? I thought we confirmed that Executor = the Seven already?

"See, in the old days, crime and punishment was all in the hands of those Orokin judges, the Seven. Mercy was a quick flash of the Jade light... But - if they wanted to make an example, they'd suck up your soul and make you a prisoner of the glass, forever." - Nora Night during Nightwave Series 3

Yep, the Seven is 7 executors

[brittle siren]

@restive river here

Sorry for tagging

The wiki have yet update Nihil in the list, even though he is ex-Executor

Lmao

[lean garden]

Kim texts labeled nihil as executor no?

Drifter: Most times? It was Executor Nihil. The Glassmaker.

[tall echo]

You can absolutely kill cephalons

[brittle siren]

But how exactly we kill them

Like sure the Orokin have a way

But I doubt the Tenno can

[tall echo]

Either destroy the primary storage medium or just corrupt their data apart

[brittle siren]

But we don't know where Nihil ORIGINAL storage medium. We only beat him and confine him in a "flask"

[tall echo]

The oubliette is now the primary storage medium

[brittle siren]

And I doubt anyone beside Hunhow and Natah able to corrupted Cephalon data

[brittle siren]

Now yes
I meant before when Tenno slaughter all Orokin

[tall echo]

His entire self is stored on the oubliette and isolated from the rest of the weave

[brittle siren]

Nihil at that time is like Ultron. He could be anywhere

Until we trapped him ofc

It possible, just too hard to do it without info

[brittle siren]

Whose chat is this from btw

[lean garden]

Amir

[brittle siren]

Thank you

[tall echo]

Considering nihil's similarity to ballas he probably just joestar'd into hiding asap

[brittle siren]

He probably hide after exiled
He maybe an a hole but he not dumb. Orokin empire has his tech and can kill him anytime, so ofc he went hiding. That's why no Tenno found him until he decided to glassed some people for fun

[tall echo]

Where are you getting exiled from

He was a high ranking orokin why would they exile him

[brittle siren]

Nvm, idk where tf did I read about him exiled. I heard someone said he violate the "glassing" law and exiled by Ballas, but it was wrong info

But yeah he glassed himself is true to escape the slaughter

[tall echo]

He does violate orokin law by passing judgement without approval of the seven but that's after the collapse

[brittle siren]

Ah I see

[tall echo]

Ballas was fully capable of preventing margulis' execution but chose not to because he's a petty loser

[proper barn]

he was he just wanted her to play along.

and she didn't.

[cunning tapir]

Just a petty loser who was jealous of children.
Nothing more, Nothing Less.

[brittle siren]

Ballas when someone would die for him: Yas my queen (Gara Khora Hildryn)
Ballas when Margulis: If I cant have you, NO ONE CAN

[cunning tapir]

let's be honest he deserved absolutely no loyalty from anyone.

[worn crescent]

And I’m back with more questions about the void because dear god is it confusing, so is Wally the void itself? Is Wally an aspect or?

Better yet why did they make a deal with the Operator/Drifter, I get that they are still “bound by the strings of khra”(I think) but why would they make this deal with a scared child? Entertainment? Were they trying to understand more emotions other than “indifference”?

[normal mountain]

I would say he's an aspect, but keep in mind that all of these questions have not actually been answered yet (at least as far as I know)

[worn crescent]

Aspect works better for a fan fic, so I’m going with that for now (No you are not allowed to ask)

[normal mountain]

That's fine
Warframe fanfic, questions about Wally and his motivations... tells me all I need to know
he's in the story

[worn crescent]

My brother in Christ, he’s so important because of so many different factors

[normal mountain]

Indeed

[worn crescent]

If you’ve read “Of flesh and code” (the fan fic) you would have some semblance of why he’s so important

(Not my fan fic, just the one that inspired me)

[normal mountain]

Haven't read any Warframe fanfics at all (or many of the official comics tbh)

[worn crescent]

Well I heavily recommend “of flesh and code” if you do want to start reading them, it’s on AO3, and it’s fantastic

[normal mountain]

But that's kinda irrelevant
The Wall Man is crucial to several pieces of Warframe lore

[worn crescent]

Yea, and the one I’m writing revolves so heavily around the void and emotions and how the void would realistically effect a normal person and not someone “blessed” (or curse honestly) by Wally

[normal mountain]

Oh, fascinating

[glacial bough]

I suppose you can have more detail than "goes crazy"

[worn crescent]

Well more of the void power stuff the drifter can do

Yes I know, doesn’t work like that, but I’m trying to stick to canon as close as possible to make up for it

[glacial bough]

I mean drifter doesn't really? Beyond the to be expanded upon time reversal

[normal mountain]

I mean, who knows?
The Void sometimes likes to laugh at rules, might even laugh at the ones it makes

[worn crescent]

This is why I hate the lore surrounding the void, it is…… so unbelievably confusing

[normal mountain]

Real
Somedays, it seems to just do what it wants, however it wants, whenever it feels like it

feel free to use that quote btw

[worn crescent]

I mean there is also the whole conceptual embodiment, but the drifter can’t exactly control that, but there’s also transference which I’m pretty sure has to do with manipulating the soul, then there is void sling, I’m not sure if it’s actual teleportation or an actual sling, I’m more inclined for it to be like a sling, then there’s the focus schools which might count?

[glacial bough]

None of that is stuff a normal person could do though

beyond CE and Drifter's circumstances

[normal mountain]

Gameplay seems to be an actual sling, since you affect enemies you sling through

[worn crescent]

I do realize I didn’t exactly say what i meant to say, what would be the effect of warframe abilities on the human body, how would the surge of void energy through the human body effect them (and I’m not going with the insanity route although that could work a bit…..)

[glacial bough]

Sticking to canon, they would just die if you don't want insanity. But for fan stuff, go crazy

[worn crescent]

Their body literally tearing itself apart to vent the surge of energy would probably work (think more Deku tearing body apart)

[normal mountain]

Though to be honest, it seems the Operator/Drifter can do actual teleportation too, seeing as they can instantly Transfer into a Warframe or Necramech within range (and sight)

[glacial bough]

Powers only happen with Wally interfering, otherwise you're screwed

[worn crescent]

Well there’s kinda 2 reason the MC can do it 1. Wally got bored 2. Is they are born with void in them? It’s a whole lore thing and requires a lot more context and explanation

[woven coyote]

Albrecht was left blind and with quite a bit of skin missing iirc, tho he only specifies his missong lips and mentions the feeling of his clothes against his newly grown skin

[glacial bough]

True, though some of Albrecht's end result likely lies in the glass he fell on

[woven coyote]

It for sure fried his senses

[glacial bough]

Blindness was void stuff for sure, yeah

[normal mountain]

Also, I wouldn't put it past the Wall Man to try disintegrating Albrecht while he ran

[worn crescent]

Wasn’t Wally literally born at that moment? They might have just been confused

[glacial bough]

Maybe

[woven coyote]

We have no confirmation

We only have unreliable testimonies towards it so far

[glacial bough]

Wally definitely became a conscious entity at that point is what we can say

[woven coyote]

One is a genious dr who uses drugs to think on how to beat wally
And the other is the manifestation of fear based on a book

[worn crescent]

So like Blue Exorcist type situation? He was a concept at first then gained sentence due to humans?

[woven coyote]

No idea

Again
No confirmation

[normal mountain]

"We cannot confirm nor deny..."

[glacial bough]

That's why the only solid statement we can say is "Wally took first form when Albrecht entered"

[worn crescent]

It’s quite literally all I have to go on, so I will take what I can get and extrapolate

[woven coyote]

That is what fanfiction is for i guess

[worn crescent]

I- how is that both incredibly incorrect and correct at the exact same time?

[woven coyote]

🤷‍♂️

Tho i gotta say
Ppl not thinking at all that sythel may be incorrect because she is the manifestation of fear amuses me
(I am too sleepy to tell if this sounds coherent)

[normal mountain]

And the thing decided to appear as Albrecht's doppelganger and call him by a childhood nickname
I'd say Wally was already inclined toward malice, but 🤷‍♂️

[normal mountain]

Come to think of it, we do know that Albrecht spent some time in Duviri
We also know that Albrecht was convinced Wally was his fault (I think)
Maybe that's where Sythel picked it up?

[velvet cradle]

@glacial bough

Well, imo wally/indifference was there before Albrecht going to void but it only became an issue when Albrecht goes to the void

Wally/indifference reminds me of bill cypher as both like making deals and are old cosmic level eldritch horror type of entity

[woven coyote]

Way i see it is she because of being fear manifested sees fear everywhere, so with albrecht saying "i think that thing came from me", sythel would just go "yes! That is absolutely your fear! You having fear created it! Fear,fear,fear"

[normal mountain]

More or less my point exactly

[woven coyote]

But its funny when ppl go "well if sythel said so then it must be true"

[velvet cradle]

How would Albrecht visit duviri when duviri was made by the drifter in an alt timeline after the zarimab ten zero disaster

[woven coyote]

.....

You serious?

[velvet cradle]

I am serious thou I may have gaps in my knowledge

[normal mountain]

Honestly not sure
But he mentions it in his notes (the ones you unlock from defeating Whispers in the labs)

[woven coyote]

Well albrecht is the origin of all void tech

Zariman accident could only happen because albrecht closed a door on wallys hand

[worn crescent]

The only question is HOW CAN THE DRIFTER AND OPERATOR EXIST AT THE SAME TIME, IT MAKES NO SENSE DE

[woven coyote]

The finger in the zarimans drive is a copy of that

[woven coyote]

They cant

[normal mountain]

Outside the Void, they can't

[woven coyote]

They only ever appear at the same time in void bathed environments

When we bring the lotus to her chambers we keep switching

[worn crescent]

Hold up, I know for a fact that there is a KIM convo that mentions this

[velvet cradle]

@worn crescent

Enternalism in game term explains it as far as I know that all timelines and such exist at the same time at an overlap

But the void like above said is a weird dimension that warps reality so severely anyways

[woven coyote]

Anyway back to albrecht and duviri

Even in real spaces linear time duviri happened wayy after albrecht

He would only need to hop into the void and stumble upon duviri

[glacial bough]

Yes, and it says they both can't exist as once. They share the space and are aware of things happening to the other when not in the driver's seat

[worn crescent]

That…. Makes a lot more sense all of a sudden

I assume not including 1999 though

[glacial bough]

1999 is not the same space, so no

[normal mountain]

Wait a sec, does this mean the Operator knows what's happening with the Drifter in Hollvania?
That could get 💀

[worn crescent]

That would be……. Weird……

[glacial bough]

As said, 1999 is not the same space

[velvet cradle]

@woven coyote

Yea. Even if the physical location of duviri may exist for him but the events and people that are there only exist after the zariman ten zero accident and the timeline that the drifter didn't take Wally's deal

And from my understanding, lots of what happens in and leading up to duviri paradox is cos of the drifter

[glacial bough]

The timeline of events do not matter

[woven coyote]

.....
Zariman is post albrecht

No matter how you spin it, its simple and straightforward

Albrecht was active even during the old war, which is post zariman accident

[velvet cradle]

Ok

[woven coyote]

Like there isnt any weirdness at all about albrecht finding duviri

What kinda youtuber lorefail video did you watch to think otherwise?

[normal mountain]

...right
And here I was about to make some cool theory about Duviri manifesting itself in the past so that it could have a pre-existing history for when the Drifter created it

But no, there's no need for that because Albrecht was active after the Zariman incident

[woven coyote]

And duviri is in the void, different timelines are irrelevant there

There isnt a drifter timeline void or operator timeline void

There is just the void

[normal mountain]

I'm aware
I just thought the idea was cool

[woven coyote]

Was just venting after the other person's "ok" that to me felt like a person refusing to believe 1+1=2

[normal mountain]

Ah
Gotcha

[woven coyote]

But tldr there isnt any logical fault in albrecht finding duviri

Even whitout the void's timeywhimeyness all events line up in sequence

[worn crescent]

Wait hold up, from the cutscene in new war it makes it seem like every other version of the operater dies in some way not including the drifter, am I wrong in that assumption or?

[proper barn]

maybe.

[worn crescent]

Let me guess, more eternalism bull?

[sly ibex]

The Infestation can, so theoretically we should be able to with Nidus.

[proper barn]

no.

we just don't know fully.

also only like 3 things are eternalism @worn crescent

[graceful swan]

We don't know if every version died or just some versions

[velvet cradle]

@sly ibex @brittle siren

The muralist strain I think can potentially corrupt cephalons as muralist can infect robots and such

There is also the Jordas precept that shows that cephalon Jordas was corrupt by infestation

[brittle siren]

yeah but that risky for us too

if for example we did infect Nihil with that, we don't know the capability he will get after that

[velvet cradle]

@brittle siren

Well, we have the Deimos entrati family members that is infected but don't seem to get much stronger other than travel capabilities

Alad v was also partially infected by newer muralist strain but I don't think fully and didn't get much of a boost

Most or all og (and current I think) versions of Warframes were made with careful injection of the helminth strain which gave big boosts

So it depends on what strain and such that he is injected and such

[brittle siren]

well you don't account that while a cephalon, he able to glassed anyone. That alone make him dangerous

[velvet cradle]

True.

But that depends if he able to maintain enough sanity to use that ability.

But the power scaling of Warframe universe is on a different level

In lore at least

[brittle siren]

I mean, Alad become stronger after becoming half infested

[tall echo]

And jordas isn't the only one of his kind

[brittle siren]

and infested tend to store "data" so I think they can even store Nihil's and clone his mind

[tall echo]

Also it's mutalist

[velvet cradle]

Like I said, many of the Warframes count as infested if you take the hemlith strain from the sacrifice

And Warframes like atlas that can tear apart mass extinction asteroids or wisp that can make a portal to the sun to vaporise foes

[brittle siren]

I still don't understand your point

warframe is custom made, so ofc their ability is varies

[tall echo]

Atlas did not just punch the rock, he geology'd it apart

[brittle siren]

and also, they also imbued with void energy

[brittle siren]

rock bending at it finest

[velvet cradle]

Nvm

@tall echo

I said tear apart not punch

Ofc I know he used stress lines and seismic shockwaves to do it but it is still an impressive feat even if it is his specialty

[tall echo]

Do you not know how to use the reply feature or smth

I could've worded that less rudely

[velvet cradle]

And I just bring up Warframe and infestation as they are some of the more durable and peak of infestation imo even before the tenno using them via transference bolts

Tenno controlling them just made the infested puppets known as warframes a lot better

[tall echo]

Most people think "heehee rock man punch rock" and that's it so it's nice to see someone who actually paid attention to what drusus said

[gloomy crescent]

So what happened to Jordas anyway?

Just got infected?

[brittle siren]

he ded by us

[velvet cradle]

Well, people seem to misunderstood me and I just get frustrated so of course I get a little snarky and rude

[brittle siren]

his whole ship I think

[tall echo]

Infestation doesn't stop at organics

[gloomy crescent]

So like he is the only Cephalon who got overrun by infested?

[brittle siren]

there could be more

[tall echo]

You did not read the message correctly

[brittle siren]

I doubt Orokin only create a few Cephalon

[tall echo]

There are more

Jordas himself says so

[brittle siren]

but we still don't know how many of them for now

[gloomy crescent]

How about that teacher cephalon on the Zariman Tenzero?

The one with that pink face

[brittle siren]

if anything, she only get void

[tall echo]

"I'm not the only one -there are so many more-"

[tall echo]

Crashing into the void broke her

[gloomy crescent]

I swear on AOZ, you could see her on the screen asking where the student are

[brittle siren]

consider she still maintain some memory about us and Rell, she are pretty sane

[tall echo]

We only meet jordas but in lore there are other cephalons like him

[tall echo]

Yeah? And?

[gloomy crescent]

No I was just curious why she was still there

After so long

[tall echo]

She intentionally remembers nothing after the crash

[tall echo]

Orokin didn't allow her to leave

[brittle siren]

well maybe she lucky (or unlucky), or conceptual embodiment

[gloomy crescent]

That makes sense-

But man, now I wonder what cephalons were out there

Like who was considered the smartest cephalon

[tall echo]

Message corrected due to sleep deprived mistype

[gloomy crescent]

Excluding Solaris

Simaris*

[brittle siren]

yeah she maybe pretend to be stupid and try to cope

[tall echo]

Suda

[brittle siren]

those 2 in Conclave

[gloomy crescent]

I men that does make sense with the whole music thing

[brittle siren]

is Hologram Teshin consider as 1?

[tall echo]

No it's like trauma

[brittle siren]

yeah that

[gloomy crescent]

I guess it’s why Hunhow went after her

[tall echo]

That's one of the conclave cephalons

[tall echo]

No he just went for the first ceph he could

[brittle siren]

Necraloid and Otak is also Cephalon

[tall echo]

Needed an access point to the weave

[brittle siren]

the more vulnerable one

[gloomy crescent]

wait wait how about those cephalons in those events like the one in the index and that grineer executioner thing

[brittle siren]

Suda is getting haywire after listening some music and remembered things

[gloomy crescent]

Prolly not cephalons but idk

[brittle siren]

that when Hunhow jump in

[tall echo]

Sark is a bit stupid

[brittle siren]

I think Corpus still use some Cephalon for them

[tall echo]

Hunhow was already deleting her at the start of the quest

[brittle siren]

Jordas once controlling a broken down corpus ship

[tall echo]

They steal them from orokin places and duplicate them

[brittle siren]

is he? I thought only after we get 3rd piece of Octavia she become vulnerable enough for Hunhow

[tall echo]

She's actively losing her memory because of him

Hence why she sends the tenno to collect the octavia stuff, to help her remember

[brittle siren]

I See

it's been so long since I did that quest so my memory about it is not 100% intact

[tall echo]

Suda got glassed voluntarily because she was struggling with memory loss before

[old dome]

im finally doing hidden messages &... if the old histories of the origin system was wiped out by the orokin, how come the riddles are all about greek myths??

[graceful swan]

just cuz the Orokin wipe something out doesn't mean people who lived through it automatically stopped believing in it

[old dome]

...& we dont know who inscriped those riddles on the blueprints??

[silk atlas]

It was Mirage (or her pilot)

[woven coyote]

It's not like the whole myth needs to survive

Just having those poems as is survive and then mirage or her operator finding them as is wouldve been enough

[wheat radish]

is it me or the lore of warframe is shapping up to be gravity falls? albrecht being ford pines, the man in the wall being bill cypher and us being dipper? LMAO

oh yeah the grimoire is also the diary

[restive river]

I think that’s more you drawing connections tbh

For one Wally and Albrecht were never allies, the most of a connection that there is is Albrecht is a researcher who found him and Wally is a chaotic being
But Bill wasn’t like. Lonely? Wally seems to be
There’s also a lot of key things just missing, Albrecht doesn’t have a brother-like counterpart, we have no Mabel counterpart
I can see some similarities but there really isn’t that much beyond some surface level connections

Heck we don’t even obsess over the grimoire in the same way Dipper did
We used it to fight Wally once which was more so Albrecht’s message to Loid than the grimoire itself

[graceful swan]

We could have a brother or sister

They're probably dead though

They didn't even get in the family photo

[restive river]

Yeah
And if we choose for them to exist we know nothing of their character

I wouldn’t even say Drifter and Operator have the dynamic Dipper and Mabel did

[graceful swan]

Drifter calls Operator

The kid, not my brother or Sister

They're basically just the same person

[restive river]

Exactly

I would assume Operator does not like that they call them that tbh

[graceful swan]

Operator doesn't get a chance to say stop saying that

Drifter basically became the only used main character for most people after TNW

[restive river]

They barely get moments together too

Like
TNW, Lotus Eaters where one is focused on the threat and the other on our mom and ig the Operator’s letter to the Drifter for 1999

Doubt the Operator even knows the Drifter calls them a kid

Which
They are and aren’t

[graceful swan]

One day watch there be a

But we're the same age joke

[rotund tinsel]

Looking at the amount of chunks Koumei is missing on her,baby tenno wouldn't really guess that Warframes were human

I mean,must of been painful to turn into the first Koumei,your joints turn into balls like a doll

[normal mountain]

I believe Eleanor has commented on that
I could be misremembering that conversation tho