lore-discussion

[graceful swan]

They just aren't adding them

[digital grail]

It would just add to many weeks for rotation

[graceful swan]

But it wouldn't

Just an extra 3 frames a week

At best it would make people wait longer but that was an issue with the other frames if you aren't patient

The only reason they didn't add them to the rotation at the time was because the frame had no Prime

[strange plinth]

could add another row of 3 that gets unlocked with an opportunity intrinsic or something if that gets to be an issue
maybe the second row is the "opposite" week?

[graceful swan]

There can't really be too many added that we can't add more

[strange plinth]

yeah
the sp circuit has a lot more if i'm not mistaken
and yeah it takes a bit to get back around to a certain week but its not that big of a deal

[graceful swan]

If it was a big deal they would've stopped adding Incarnons

[strange plinth]

exactly lol

[gray silo]

Or just add them to the 1999 calender.

[rotund tinsel]

I wonder how drifter/operator must feel being stabbed everytime they wanna subsume,they feel everything the frame feels

[summer tundra]

Does anyone know if there's a higher res version of this?

and what it says

[dire mountain]

Who said they don't temporarily cut the link

[rotund tinsel]

They squirm a lil and I don't think frames do that often

[tall echo]

The tortured squirming

[lean garden]

they got nervous systems still

ever seen dead meat move when you rustle the right jimmies?

imagine live meat, more jimmies to rustle

[rotund tinsel]

Fair enough,would be cool if it still was operator/drifter squirming during subsumes

Wonder how feeling the pain you receive as a Warframe would go

Especially kullervo

[sly ibex]

We already know the Operator and Drifter feel their Warframe's pain. "Transference makes this hurt." Operator voiceline.

[opal girder]

How does Xaku prime make sense lore wise?

[silk atlas]

Could be a model made after Xaku came back, could've just Primed the regular Xaku after it came back, same options as any other Prime

[strange turtle]

A Tenno piloting Xaku heard about Lavos and Revenant an decided to try becoming a Prime their own way

[stray nimbus]

Thats definitely Predasite and Bird-x in 1999 scenery.

[prisma sundial]

Xaku Prime is amalgamation of different primes, ez pz /s

[restive river]

Ancestors to both

[raven urchin]

Amalgamation of the primes of the same warframes used prior xaku assembly

[brittle siren]

I wonder, if Rev Prime appear out of nowhere in the past, does Ballas hunt him down to do experiments?

[restive river]

How though even those frames were lost
I think it’s more likely Albrecht reverse engineered and made Xaku Prime from the original from studying them

[raven urchin]

I agree, I was kidding in the previous statement

[restive river]

Oh lol

[charred patio]

oh my god, somehow I managed to skip that kaya talk
thank god, I really dont wanna go through that a second time

[keen saddle]

It's interesting that an accident and a deal made the Tenno what they are... Right?

[wheat radish]

am I the only one who adter finishing the whisper in the void quest felt real sad after talking with the animals? like holy im sad specially the goat and the bird. At least the fish accepts the situation

😭

[restive river]

It’s how we have our powers yes
The trauma from the accident, losing our parents, having to hunt the adults, survive in the void for an unknown amount of time with the other tenno is what made us who we are
And then the military training that came after our therapy with margulis

[restive river]

Have you ranked up through the whole cavia faction?
Their story is sad but fantastic

[keen saddle]

And to top it off, we have the ancient Sentient weapons: The Warframes. We are the mind, they are our weapon.

[tall echo]

Goat?

Tagfer is more than just a goat, he's The GOAT

[wheat radish]

only just beaten all quest, need to do 1999

ill do so my friend

also, kahl is love, kahl is life, archon mods are goated, more so with lavos prime

anyone knows how to make the grimoire make slash damage? gotta up my game in the staus department

[lean garden]

Get dante

[restive river]

The warframes aren’t sentient
Idk if you mean the faction or being sapient but they aren’t either of those

[restive river]

He’s more of a deer

[raven urchin]

Maybe he means ancient weapons against Sentients

Even though, they wouldn't be ancient by the time the Tenno communed with them

[keen saddle]

Oops, my bad! The Warframes are - of course - of Orokin origin 😬

[graceful swan]

Unless it’s Caliban

[digital grail]

Well that's wrong excalibur umbra is sentient
Caliban is a sentient

[worn ermine]

Why do warframe abilities that require draining an enemy's soul or lifeforce work on robots?

[digital grail]

Gameplay

[graceful swan]

Sentient vs sentient

[restive river]

There’s sentient as in sapient and sentient the faction
Caliban is the sentient faction frame made by Erra
Umbra (and some others) and sentient as in sapient, conscious due to extreme emotions keeping them from losing their mind to the infestation

[digital grail]

I know that

[tall echo]

Yes but like. He's also The GOAT

[tall echo]

Can't add physical damage to weapons, only elemental. Grimoire sucks and the only reason to even consuder using it are the tome mods

[woven coyote]

Why are you assuming energy=soul?

Wait i missread that

Nvm lol

Maybe it drains their energy cores

Same like with bleeding you just assume its supposed to be oil

[graceful swan]

Dead batteries

[hexed oxide]

i think that's the sound effect when a legacyte spawns

[woven coyote]

Could be a wilhelm scream situation

[raw jay]

Why doesn’t koumei just rig her dice? Is she stupid?

[woven coyote]

Yes

I stand by my headcannon that koumei didnt ever alter fate and just happened to be around when someone else helped out/solved the situation

[brittle siren]

Or she are tailor by Unum herself

Unum could have modified her to able to also see the future, which help "alter" by her own ways

[brittle siren]

@stiff fable over here

I also wanted to ask: Why Archons still maintain Narmer

[stiff fable]

Because their plot worked once and can again if they can just get the ball rolling again

[tall echo]

Their plot didn't even really work the first time their end goal is gettibg back to tau

[brittle siren]

And the need tons of cryotic for some reason

[stiff fable]

hm? No, that was the fallback plan. Ballas would have been totally happy as absolute emperor of the Origin System for all time

[tall echo]

Ballas isn't the archons though, is he?

[stiff fable]

Right, their short term goal is to build up to get back to where they were when he was running the show

[proper barn]

I still think that should be a augment.

[proper barn]

I still think we will see the 3rd orb and it's gonna be about Pazuul trying to rebuild the solar rail to tau.

Well this side of it.

[raw jay]

Weight the 1

[proper barn]

sure.

[normal mountain]

I had something of an idea about that

Misfortune's Boon
If Koumei's dice roll a total under X, your next ability costs no energy

the trick is figuring out what value X should be

[proper barn]

just give a passive that is like "if you do X you get full 6s next cast.

as a augment.

anyway LORE.

[stiff fable]

hmmm

Koumei is the Japanese name for Zhuge Liang, one of the most famous heroes from Romance of the Three Kingdoms

https://tenor.com/view/ya-boy-kongming-gif-25406658

Best known today for his sick dance moves and great taste in music

[obtuse kindle]

How the f**k did you find this

[stiff fable]

That's today's LORE

what, the gif?

[obtuse kindle]

Yes and the lore

[stiff fable]

oh I'm a huge nerd. Ya Boy Kongming was a big meme when it ran a few years ago

The Japanese name is "Paripi Koumei"

[obtuse kindle]

Brother how. I thought I was one but know I feel dumb as f**k

[gloomy crescent]

I need some clarification on something

[obtuse kindle]

What up

[stiff fable]

make the right internet friends and follow discussions on Tvtropes

[gloomy crescent]

So the Sentients were created by the Orokin right?

But then they rebelled against them right?

But what caused them to turn against the Orokin

[obtuse kindle]

I am pretty sure.

[stiff fable]

The Sentients gained sapience

[obtuse kindle]

I came here to learn not give

[gloomy crescent]

Right

[stiff fable]

Basically they upgraded from animal-level intelligence to people-level intelligence

[gloomy crescent]

So this started with Hunhow and Praghasa?

[stiff fable]

And they thought back to what they'd seen before they left the Origin System and realized that the Orokin were monsters

[gloomy crescent]

Or earlier sentients?

[stiff fable]

Not JUST them but yes, Hunhow and Praghasa were early Sentients

[gloomy crescent]

I mean yeah screw the Orokin

[gloomy crescent]

Woah there were others before them?

I wonder what they were like

[stiff fable]

Others in the first generation alongside them

[obtuse kindle]

That makes a crape tone of sense now

[stiff fable]

We unfortunately don't know much of anything about other Sentients besides the Hunhow/Praghasa family and the archons

[gloomy crescent]

So after all of that, during the old war the Sentients just wanted to assert dominance and take over?

After the Orokin died out ofc

[stiff fable]

They wanted a complete extermination of everything related to the Orokin

[obtuse kindle]

Just checking but the warframes are made of infested people? I recently finished 'the new war'

[stiff fable]

Xenocide of the Origin System

[gloomy crescent]

Which included the Tenno

I see now

[stiff fable]

AND the normal, non-Orokin humans

[stiff fable]

Correct. It's spelled out in The Sacrifice.

[gloomy crescent]

Jesus which lead to more and more fighting

[obtuse kindle]

@stiff fable thanks

[gloomy crescent]

The Helminth strain yeah

That thing is awful

[stiff fable]

They took people and exposed them to a non-infectious kind of infestation called the Helminth Strain

[gloomy crescent]

Non- volunteers as well Jesus

The Orokin were messed up

[obtuse kindle]

Yea. Thanks still trying to finish the story so this helps alot

[gloomy crescent]

Orokin suck pretty much haha

[stiff fable]

That plus certain surgeries led to specific strains of Helminth batches that could guarantee specific Warframe outcomes with the right hosts

[obtuse kindle]

As I know from gaming experience that can suck my d**k

[gloomy crescent]

In your opinion, which warframe went through the most

[stiff fable]

Vakyr

[gloomy crescent]

Ah the experiment

[stiff fable]

She had her armor and skin torn off by Alad V

[gloomy crescent]

Jesús yeah

[stiff fable]

The experience traumatized the Warframe so much that it became a whole different Warframe

[obtuse kindle]

This is why we tenno exist

[stiff fable]

(Valkyr's original name was "Gersemi")

[obtuse kindle]

To kill

[gloomy crescent]

I was gonna go with Stalker because I know he is an anti-warframe but dude has a wife and an unborn child at the time

Like his story

Him and Jade

[stiff fable]

Stalker is... a very special case

[obtuse kindle]

He has a family

[gloomy crescent]

But yeah Valkyrie is yeah

[stiff fable]

I won't say more since someone hasn't finished Jade Shadows

[gloomy crescent]

Mhm, well “Sorren did”

[obtuse kindle]

I am trying my best to keep up but this just fried my brain finally

[gloomy crescent]

Dude I read his story, it’s… something

[stiff fable]

Now outside of lore it's Garuda because Garuda's literally never gotten a single piece of lore

[obtuse kindle]

That's fair

[gloomy crescent]

Garuda… is that the one who used blood related abilities or something, just really violent?

[stiff fable]

Yep

[gloomy crescent]

She seems pretty good

[stiff fable]

Her lore is "so we found this Warframe blueprint in a bush one day"

[gloomy crescent]

I need a new frame

[stiff fable]

that's literally it

[gloomy crescent]

I’m a Dante main for now

[obtuse kindle]

I am gauss main

[gloomy crescent]

Nice! Speedy boi

[obtuse kindle]

I got prime at Mr 7

Not sure if it's good or not

[stiff fable]

I can easily recommend Zephyr to both of you

Pretty normal tbh

[gloomy crescent]

Oh really? Is that good?

[obtuse kindle]

I am trying to get him

[stiff fable]

She's very easy to craft

[obtuse kindle]

Yea just need to grind

[stiff fable]

you just buy her blueprints from the dojo

[gloomy crescent]

Thing is with prime, I want certain prime frames but a lot of them are vaulted

[stiff fable]

I wouldn't worry too much about that

[gloomy crescent]

So now I’m just stuck doing relics over and over

[obtuse kindle]

Just trade. But it will take a while

[gloomy crescent]

Until I get a decent prime haha

[stiff fable]

Most Warframes are available for 50-60 platinum

[gloomy crescent]

I’m anything but patient

[stiff fable]

if you can get the rare part it can be even less

[obtuse kindle]

Why warframe then

[gloomy crescent]

Idk I just wanted to have a bit of fun I guess haha

This game is fun, that is what keeps me going tbh

I started out on Xbox funny enough

But that was when plains of Cetus first released

[obtuse kindle]

Fair. I really like how unique each character is and the lore

[gloomy crescent]

God it was so long ago

[gloomy crescent]

Exactly, and the quests aren’t too bad either

I need to do all the ones after new war

[obtuse kindle]

Yea it keeps you entertained for hours

[gloomy crescent]

New war took way too long haha

[obtuse kindle]

Same

[gloomy crescent]

I hated Veso

That guy took so long to just

[stiff fable]

Why hate Veno, he was cool

[gloomy crescent]

No no I mean his play through

[stiff fable]

"Take your shot, for Profit!"

[gloomy crescent]

Just the character was cool

Don’t get me wrong

I’m talking like that damn boss fight towards the end

[obtuse kindle]

He was a good experience just that he was corpus and the robots

[gloomy crescent]

When you’re thrown into for the first time

It was only then I realised

[obtuse kindle]

I had to search it up to beat it

[gloomy crescent]

Send him in with the drone to explode

That’s when it clicked

Then I beat it thank god

I think Nataruk was worth it

[stiff fable]

nataruk is arguably one of the best weapons in the game

[obtuse kindle]

Yea definitely

[stiff fable]

Not just bows

[gloomy crescent]

There are better options for sure but I like Nataruk

[stiff fable]

Get Longbow Sharpshoot

Score a headshot? Next hit does x6 final damage

[obtuse kindle]

Yea good aoe

[gloomy crescent]

Longbow sharpshooter?

[gloomy crescent]

Oh wow

That does sound good

[stiff fable]

just so you know Nataruk isn't an AoE, it just has a massive shot

[obtuse kindle]

Same thingg

[gloomy crescent]

Captain, silly questions but with headshot mods for eidolons does it count or nah?

Like when it says like extra damage and stuff for headshots

Or does that only apply for standard enemies?

[stiff fable]

no

eidolons have "heads" on their model but they're permanently shielded

[obtuse kindle]

That's riiiight. I forgot

[stiff fable]

which allows for silly things with amps that you don't need to worry about

[obtuse kindle]

True

[gloomy crescent]

Gotcha

[obtuse kindle]

What was the order the lotus as a person?

The lotus was last that's all I know

[gloomy crescent]

As a person?

Margulis you mean?

[obtuse kindle]

You know

Yea

[stiff fable]

Natah is her original self and then she became/was reformed into the Lotus

[gloomy crescent]

Natah the sentient mhm

“Natah wanted children of her own”

[obtuse kindle]

Thanks

[stiff fable]

However Margulis was a separate person whose data Natah stole/had integrated into her

[gloomy crescent]

Based on margulis I believe

[stiff fable]

I... suspect there's more to the story

Because Natah's met the Man in the Wall

[gloomy crescent]

The archmedian who was exterminated by the Jade Light

All my homies hate Ballas

[obtuse kindle]

Well there are warframes that has alot of unknowns about them

[obtuse kindle]

I wish I could relate. I mean by relating with people

I am the only one that knows warframe exists

[stiff fable]

I got my IRL best friend into Warframe

He might forgive me in a few years

[obtuse kindle]

Yea

That's good

I have never talk this long online with anyone. I am depressing

[gloomy crescent]

Real

[gloomy crescent]

Ah you do what you can, of course I talk to people IRL at my job too so good experience

[obtuse kindle]

I am 15 so it's hard but thanks bro

[stiff fable]

ruhroh

[obtuse kindle]

Huh

[plush walrus]

According to the lore the jade light is like the infinity stones? Cause there be warframes with invulnerability

[dire mountain]

They were created by them

[proper barn]

there are a lot of warframes with invulnerability. also all frames are repaired by helminth.

[dire mountain]

Its easier to list the things that were created by the orokin that didn't backfire

[proper barn]

it's why we don't have like bullet holes

in our warframes.

[plush walrus]

But where did the jade light come from? I played the jade episode and realize how corpus have jade eximus. They steal jade power through the motes.

[gloomy crescent]

But isn’t the Jade light based on Jade the Warframe

[proper barn]

yes

[gloomy crescent]

Same way it was used as an extermination method by the Orokin

[plush walrus]

Oh ok, so still the helminth strain helped create jade light

Cause warframes made of helminth strain on humans

[gloomy crescent]

But the actual person was Jade herself who was the Jade Light

[stiff fable]

no, other way around

Ballas thought it would be hilarious to take her and make her bare the Jade Light in her womb

[plush walrus]

When the 7 executed ppl they used the jade light but it wasn't from jade the warframe I think

[gloomy crescent]

Oh yeah her child

[strange plinth]

memory feather 3 puts her in the execution chamber
jade light could've existed before her, but she was definitely used for it

[stiff fable]

yeah

Sort of like a reverse Gara (Prime) actually

[gloomy crescent]

Some people speculate it was Jade herself I believe

[plush walrus]

Ah ok, so the origins of jade light are still mystery

[gloomy crescent]

But I’m not sure at all

[stiff fable]

Jade Light predates all Warframes

It comes up in the original sentient creation lore

[plush walrus]

It's just like an infinity stone thing. A source of destruction that just exists

[stiff fable]

The dude who made them was threatened with it

It's a kind of channeled particle acceleration is the way to think of it

[plush walrus]

Does it say the name of who made it?

[stiff fable]

Every nuclear bond in your body is broken at once and you atomize

[plush walrus]

More chemists like Walter White I guess

Doing crazy sht

[strange plinth]

oh yea-
the archimedian or whatever that proposes sentients mentions waiting for the jade light, right?

[stiff fable]

https://www.orokinarchives.com/detron-crewman/

Basically the Archemedian before this guy was vaporized for coming up with a lame unit type for the Orokin (that the Corpus picked up separately)

His punishment was jade light

[stiff fable]

Archimedian Perintol

[strange plinth]

i was half-right
mentions jade light, and his execution is threatened but not outright said to be jade light as well
but yeah sentients are way before warframes

[stiff fable]

As the judgement disc began to light, I stood, took a deep breath and spoke, "She will not forgive you."

The judgment disc is using jade light, is made clear elsewhere in the story

[strange plinth]

misinterpreted that one then, so yea

[plush walrus]

Yea just read it and I'm guessing the blob thing was the sentiments they were discussing

[brittle siren]

Hold the phone
What "orb"?

[lean garden]

those people would be tripping

[proper barn]

3rd fortuna orb. it has a narmer drone near it.

[brittle siren]

Jade is more like equipped with Jade beam so she could have an easy time killing (and executing too since they lock her for a while before using her for Tenno)

[brittle siren]

Do you have the image for it?

[proper barn]

can you go into warframe?

you can see it.

[strange plinth]

from the wiki
near orokin dig site

[proper barn]

yeah

there is a narmer drone near it.

[brittle siren]

Oh thanks

[brittle siren]

I was coming with my grandma whole day so not even a chance

[barren jasper]

rebb has hinted towards the third orb actually being used int he future so 👀

[silk atlas]

They've also hinted at giving Garuda lore and you know how that turned out

[feral cape]

No

[gloomy crescent]

Yes I am aware that the Jade Light predates the Warframes

[winged flume]

So that part where Albrecht shoots you and you die before the reset, that's where Eminem's Snap Back to Reality should have kicked in.

[winged flume]

Murmur orb yes please.

Says the guy still not at the level to fight one let alone damage one.

[tall echo]

Using licensed music is expensive

[restive river]

We didn’t die what

[winged flume]

I mean, you got shot and black out, but it looked like a death

[restive river]

When did we black out?

We get shot and reset the loop

[hexed oxide]

https://tenor.com/view/warframe-1999-the-hex-drifter-begin-again-gif-639103360702619643

only one to get shot and die on the spot was amir (debatably quincy)

[restive river]

Also like
Physical damage doesn’t seem to really last on us anyway

Like if we could just be shot and killed then Ballas wouldn’t have thrown us into a void portal

[old dome]

wdym debatable?? my man got shot at by a TANK

my man got EVISCERATED on the spot

[restive river]

Bro blew up

[viscid aspen]

Me after fumbling a Hex

[feral cape]

Have you considered albretchs pistol is super cool void tech

[restive river]

We still didn’t die?
If anything getting shot absolutely hurt and sent us into enough of a shock that we could grab the loop back from Wally

[feral cape]

I was being silly

[restive river]

Oh lol

[tall echo]

I still firmly believe that him doing that is exactly why operator got fixed

[restive river]

Like the focus changes occurred during angels?

[tall echo]

I meant operator surviving the stab

[restive river]

Oh lol

I think if he knew stabbing us would kill us then he wouldn’t have thrown us in a void portal

Like he had to trap us cause he couldn’t kill us
That was the whole point of that

Like I doubt he intended for us to get stuck in a timeloop of our own history, he just wanted us to be trapped in the void with no way of getting out
Which
Is what happens, it just manifested as that timeloop for us

Like he even says he can’t kill us :p

[tall echo]

He didn't know, that's the point

[restive river]

Like we can absolutely be hurt, it won’t last but we can be hurt
But we can’t die, not like that

[tall echo]

How would he know if tenno are mortal or not?

[restive river]

Because it’s Ballas?
He hated the tenno? He clearly knew he couldn’t just kill us

Why throw us in the void?

Like yes Ballas can be flowery with his language but he has clear intent to send us to the void too

He absolutely would have tried to kill a tenno at some point in the past

Like
There’s no way he wouldn’t have

[tall echo]

That's not an answer

[restive river]

Dude was petty enough to let Margulis die.

You’re telling me he isn’t petty enough to kill a child? Or. Attempt to kill a child

Or several children in fact

[tall echo]

When they were in cold storage or when they were considered essential workers?

[restive river]

Literally at any point when Margulis cared about us and he was jealous

You’re telling me he wouldn’t sneak away a single tenno to try and murder?
He could absolutely cover that up
One tenno going missing to test that is nothing

Why say and do what he did if just stabbing us would work?

[tall echo]

So tenno can only die of old age ig

[restive river]

In Rell’s case

[tall echo]

Or was rell scared of nothing

[restive river]

Iirc when Gara blew up Lotus mourned their tenno so clearly there is another way we can die

Which at most I theorize that since we can feel pain that our frame completely blowing up causes the tenno to go brain-dead

[tall echo]

But you can't kill the devil

[restive river]

So basically there’s no physical way to kill us, either wait us out (if we aren’t in cryosleep) or potentially cause us so much pain we go brain-dead

[tall echo]

That would be killing

[restive river]

Not directly?
Not through stabbing them?

A tenno going brain-dead through intense trauma and pain isn’t the same as being physically stabbed :p

[tall echo]

Intentionally turning off someone's brain isn't killing them?

[humble sierra]

https://tenor.com/view/steven-he-emotional-damage-steven-he-emotional-damage-gif-23428142

[restive river]

That’s not what’s occurring?

[humble sierra]

Ballas' secret weapon

[restive river]

It’s also just
Theoretical, since Gara’s situation is an odd one

Like I doubt the Lotus would mourn the frame so her tenno must have died

Which may have only been possible because they were still in the second dream anyway

[tall echo]

We have two quests showing that tenno are mortal and one self-absorbed fool saying they aren't

[restive river]

Bottomline is
The tenno can not take physical damage, you can stab us in the chest and it will absolutely hurt but it won’t kill us.

[restive river]

My argument is not that they’re immortal
Just really hard to kill

We are still human but we are also void entities, saturated by Wally’s gift, we can feel pain and can age but death does not come easy to us

[tall echo]

Can't even use gameplay as evidence bc operator mode can't hit 0 hp

[restive river]

Stabbing us clearly does not work, if it did Ballas wouldn’t have said or did what he did how he did it.

[restive river]

Heck even in gameplay when we die without our frame we go into the void briefly and come back (happens during the Sacrifice during the final Umbra confrontation (if you “die”))

[tall echo]

I feel like that's just to hide the game trying to figure out where to put you or smth

[restive river]

Maybe :p

[tall echo]

Or to avoid having a boring black screen

Which would mean DE has introduced unnecessary elements that muddle lore understanding twice
Eternalism

Maybe throwing the operator in the void was to avoid the reflexive transference back into the frame

That... sounds reasonable

Can't kill tenno because they just transference if possible

I just contradicted myself

Dang

[fallen oxide]

I think this perfectly encapsulates ballas line of thinking when the tenno came back LMAO

[proper barn]

That's not what eternalism is.

[tall echo]

It kinda is, eternalism has pretty much not been important since it was mentioned

[proper barn]

Okay I have 2 things to say. Eternalism is the thing most people just don't understand. Including you I think. What us the other one in your mind?

[restive river]

It literally just existed to explain the Drifter’s existence and maybe like 1-2 other things iirc

Also it came up during Baro’s deal but he collapsed all Baro’s into one so

[proper barn]

Yeah rev prime and 1999 I guess.

Also baro I guess.

[fallen oxide]

Dude we live in eternalism on 1999

[proper barn]

I still think Everything related to Eternalism isn't like actual different time lines or anything just different outcomes.

Cuz we only ever see Eternalism stuff in THE VOID. As

Unrealized outcomes.

[restive river]

1999 is not eternalism

[proper barn]

Including the drifter.

[restive river]

It’s not an alt timeline
It’s the true past.

[tall echo]

The weird void floating screen when you die without a frame

[fallen oxide]

It kind of isnt since its repeating itself every year

[restive river]

It literally is.

[proper barn]

I mean it's just a respawn screen.

[tall echo]

It is

[fallen oxide]

The drifter is just looking for the right choices
Actually, is that just time travelling?

[proper barn]

Its just repeating cuz its on a loop.

[tall echo]

That's my point

[restive river]

We time travelled to the loop Albrecht established in 1999, we can alter things in the loop that change history
Like the Coda

[proper barn]

Oh it's you Scrap

I thought you where just some jobber.

[tall echo]

Pfff

[fallen oxide]

Yes but, isnt a loop with different outcomes and 2 things being true at the same time eternalism?

[tall echo]

[restive river]

No

[fallen oxide]

we created the coda???

[restive river]

We are literally changing the past

[proper barn]

It has a singular outcome we change. It's now that outcome.

[proper barn]

That might be eteranlism.

[restive river]

Yes and no
They already exist technically but we also make them and they track out void saturated DNA signature, we beat em up, they wait it out til the present

[restive river]

It’s not alt timelines

[fallen oxide]

Honestly, to be fair, i only know about eternalism because of a cephalon and she explained it POORLY

So cant blame me for being dumb

[proper barn]

I dont think eternalism is alt timeline anyway.

[restive river]

It
It is?

[tall echo]

You. You get it.

[restive river]

To some extent anyway

[fallen oxide]

They literally hide for thousands or millions of years just so that they can fight us?

[tall echo]

Good

[restive river]

Yup

[fallen oxide]

What the hell is their problem

[proper barn]

This is what I was talking about earlier.

[proper barn]

The Infested are patient.

[restive river]

1999 is the true past, it’s just that 1999 also has a loop
We can alter things in the loop that effect history and observe those changes later
Heck we change history in Duviri too
Even on Lua for the spy vaults

[proper barn]

Yeah.

[fallen oxide]

Wait, so let me get it right

[restive river]

We beat them up and used an antivirus on them

[fallen oxide]

Since we fight the coda in the past and then get into the future to fight them AGAIN

[proper barn]

Unum also changes/keeps outcomes she wants.

[proper barn]

Yes.

[fallen oxide]

Does that mean that during your beggining of the journey there can be like, 15 or 20 codas on earth just waiting to fight you?

[proper barn]

Sure.

Why not?

[fallen oxide]

BECAUSE ITS CONFUSING???

[restive river]

Yes

[proper barn]

It kinda Is

It's funny though.

[restive river]

The infestation view time weird too

[restive river]

Yee

[proper barn]

At least the helminth does.

[fallen oxide]

Wait, do the infestation already know about the tenno since much before we were even created?

[proper barn]

Maybe

Lizzie does.

[fallen oxide]

Because we are altering the past, and the infestation exists in It, that means the orokin dont even created the infestation anymore

[humble sierra]

That's Warframe's tagline at this point, after "Ninjas play free" and "Marathon, not a sprint"

[proper barn]

They never did.

[fallen oxide]

I thought It was some kind of bio weapon that backfired

[proper barn]

The most they did is make a verison of the Infested "helmith" but they didn't make all of the Infested.

[fallen oxide]

Marawhat

[silk atlas]

Mara Lohk

[restive river]

That’s def all the infestation, helminth didn’t seem like the exception just the one who would actually talk to us

[humble sierra]

That's old lore, I think it got retconned

[fallen oxide]

Mara sov

[restive river]

They never did

[fallen oxide]

And since the infestation is a hive mind, If the helminth does everyone does(?)

[restive river]

They never made them in lore

[silk atlas]

Not really retconned, just shot out back and blown into obscurity by calling anything remotely like the Infestation "Infestation", now also applying to Techrot

[restive river]

There was no retcon

[humble sierra]

okiedokie

[restive river]

All of the infestation yeah

[fallen oxide]

Im so confused tbh

[proper barn]

I mean yes and no. It always existed they just weaponizsed part of it ajd it sometimes back fired. Helminth worked and still works though it's what warframes are made out of. That and people.

[silk atlas]

All you need to know is that The Butterfly Effect isn't exactly some hard rule that every single story with time travel has to follow

[restive river]

The orokin never made the infestation they just utilized it

[restive river]

Heck even with Warframe it’s a case by case basis it seems

We can clearly alter things without mucking everything up but can’t alter other things

[silk atlas]

We go back in time, change up some things, but ultimately its effects are incredibly very minor.

[fallen oxide]

Do we even know since when the infestation existed?

[silk atlas]

No

[restive river]

Far back we know of is 1998 iirc

Which probably even further back
Their origin isn’t known

Just that they predate the Orokin

[fallen oxide]

So Albrecht bought the infestation to the past, does that mean the infestation could potentially be older?

[humble sierra]

No, he didn't bring it to the past

[restive river]

He didn’t bring it to the past

[fallen oxide]

what

[humble sierra]

He brought a version of it to the past, but it was already around by that point

[restive river]

He brought the helminth infusions that he changed but 1999 was always the plague year.

[silk atlas]

It (The Infestation in general) was already there by the time he got there.

Albrecht just brought Helminth with him

[restive river]

The technocyte, the techrot, testudo syndrome
It was there before him

[fallen oxide]

[proper barn]

Yeah the mire has said "the plague year"

For way longer than 1999 existed.

[restive river]

Coda mire confirms 1999 is the plague year too iirc

[proper barn]

yep

[restive river]

Or that’s def the vibe

[fallen oxide]

Wait, so the earth was infested MUCH much before the orokin were created???

[humble sierra]

Loid's dialogue also said something about a Plague Year

[fallen oxide]

WHAT????????

THIS DOESN'T
I
WHA
I love warframe

[humble sierra]

Yep, 1999 was always a plague year, the Orokin aren't around in 1999 (but potentially form around that time)

[restive river]

They likely take power from the chais resulting from it

[fallen oxide]

How would they form around that time? Didn't we " became " orokin thousands of years after our present?

[restive river]

No?

[proper barn]

What

[restive river]

We aren’t Orokin
The Orokin as a faction gained absolute power forever ago

[fallen oxide]

So they just became immortal pricks after some years?

Or was It like a cult of powerfull people that was formed?

Oh i guess that would explain the early hierarchy between the orokin

[humble sierra]

It likely started off as some organization who gained in power, then eventually, after eons, they become what we know them as

[fallen oxide]

This is so confusing

[hexed oxide]

could O.R.O be that organization ?

[humble sierra]

Yeah that's the leading theory right now

[fallen oxide]

Wait

[hexed oxide]

what's it even mean ? (other than gold in spanish)

[fallen oxide]

How long was the time between 1999 and the tennos awakening (begining of the game)?

[humble sierra]

We only know one of the O's right now, can't remember what it was. I think "Operations"?

[humble sierra]

We won't know

[fallen oxide]

We dont know????

[humble sierra]

DE isn't going to tell us

Could be 1000 years, could be 1,000,000

[fallen oxide]

But it should be like, some hundreds of thousands of years right?

[hexed oxide]

we don't even know how long the new war took

[humble sierra]

I think the New War took a couple months, but that's only because you can apparently encounter the Ventkids and they haven't visibly aged before/after

[fallen oxide]

Dude

[humble sierra]

Who knows if they're capable of aging though

[fallen oxide]

I dont know If this is the most crazy lore or if this is just peak storytelling

[hexed oxide]

maybe it was a half life 7 hour war situation

[humble sierra]

They try tricking you into thinking the New War took place over several decades, enough for the Operator to grow into Drifter, but then the reveal of the Drifter not being the same person as Operator debunks that

[fallen oxide]

There isnt any way that ballas got dripped out in 7 hours

[hexed oxide]

it's as easy as making a staff, fake leg and a hat out of gold

they really just mangled him beyond recognition just to fix a stab

[fallen oxide]

Still dont know why he looked like that

[humble sierra]

We kill him in the Sacrifice, the Sentients fix him by changing him

[hexed oxide]

correct me if im wrong, but operator just stabs him through the torso with skiajati

i wouldn't say nothing if he got blasted by a void beam to split him in half instead lol

[humble sierra]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X8wz7JOVtSk

It was a gut stab, enough to get him to go limp only for Natah to pick him up

[hexed oxide]

i thought about it, and maybe somehow he had his spinal nerve severed, requiring that transformation

but then i thought, how advanced can technology (specially medical) be in warframe ?

there is that comic with the blind girl and vasca curatives, it has to be incredibly advanced

[proper barn]

he didn't have that happen but they literally graft like something on to him

and like take out his stomach and stuff to do it.

[proper barn]

Also Albretch lost many fingers his ears his hearing and went mute after his void accident.

[humble sierra]

He was also blind and might still be blind, judging from his eyes?

[glacial bough]

He's verily not blind

[humble sierra]

Idk just guessing

[restive river]

His skin, eyes, vocal cords, everything that was damaged from his void trip was grown back by Loid.

[humble sierra]

Oh, he was definitely blind after the incident, I think there's a line about how as his vision faded and he could not speak, he wrote "close it" with his blood

I'm just saying, it looks like he's still blind

[restive river]

He isn’t

[blissful merlin]

Albrecht Entrati: "Loid… you gave me back my sight, but I would not spare you a glance. You gave me back my voice, but I never spoke to praise you as I should have. For you were my right hand. My strength, my support, my sanctuary. Even when the galleries hurled scorn upon me, your sole desire was to suffer it in my stead."

[humble sierra]

Oop that answers that pretty definitively

[woven coyote]

Wally lost fingers not albrecht

[raven urchin]

We are kinda Orokin? We are as Orokin as Alad V for Hunhow, so for the sentients, both the Tenno and the Corpus are Orokin, maybe the Grinner won't be since they are kinda homunculli

I think the question is, OG Loid the butler, is he an Orokin? If so we are too, if not, we aren't.

[tall echo]

Orokin faction yes, not orokin race

[graceful swan]

He never got married to Albrecht so no he isn't Orokin

[raven urchin]

So that's it, we were lower than the corpus in faction hierarchy before becoming tenno

[tall echo]

No

Corpus also aren't corpus

Orokin*

I'm tired

[graceful swan]

There's Orokin Citizens then there are the Orokin

[raven urchin]

I seee, so we were treated as an Oroki citizen not an Orokin Noble

[tall echo]

Hunhow calls alad an orokin because to him everything is orokin

[raven urchin]

Yeah that's basically what I said

[graceful swan]

Like you can be British but not Royalty

[restive river]

We aren’t Orokin
Hunhow’s racist and calls all humans Orokin
The Tenno aren’t part of the Orokin faction or race
Neither are the Corpus, Grineer or anyone else

[raven urchin]

Wait, so Orokin is not the same as human in Warframe?

[restive river]

Orokins are humans but not all humans are Orokin

That’s how Hunhow sees things cause he’s racist
Or
Was, he’s slowly changing it seems

[raven urchin]

I see, always thought orokin was the word for Human

Like Sun and Moon are gods

[restive river]

The Tenno and the people of the Zariman were never Orokin, there was a time when the Orokin pretended like they were to an extent but when things got rough they didn’t treat them well cause. They weren’t actually Orokin

[graceful swan]

He's started to realise we aren't Orokin

[restive river]

Nope
Orokin is just the faction of blue long armed psychopaths we (mostly) genocided before the game begins

[restive river]

Cause we have this secret thing the Orokin never heard of called empathy and basic human compassion

[raven urchin]

I see, so Orokin would be the same as Noble in our dictionary

[restive river]

Sure yeah!

[graceful swan]

Do the Entrati family have empathy?

[restive river]

The Orokin saw themselves as gods due to their supreme power and advanced tech
But we proved they can not only bleed but die

[restive river]

They’ve done gotten better because of us

[raven urchin]

Just like the royalty who, look at that, were treated as and thought they had god blood

[graceful swan]

Gods are overrated
Prefer demons

[restive river]

I really hope we get to see the night of the naga drums someday

[restive river]

[raven urchin]

I hope not, some things are better a mistery

[restive river]

That’s fair
I just wanna see some Orokin die tbh

[raven urchin]

But if DE made a movie about it I'd be all in

[restive river]

Though we will probably see that this arc with Albrecht
No way he gets out of this unscathed, not after what he did

[restive river]

I would kill for DE to make an anthology series detailing different parts of Warframe’s world and timeline

[graceful swan]

I should make an unofficial lore book

DE would definitely sue me but a sacrifice worth taking

[raven urchin]

Not if they like it, they could even buy the rights for it

There are autors who study Tolkien works and they are not sued for it

[normal mountain]

Tolkien is dead tho
I think that changes the rules a little

[graceful swan]

Tbh DE are pretty chill about people doing fan stuff

[raven urchin]

Not exactly, the Tolkien state is pretty adamant about some things

[normal mountain]

Okay

[worn crescent]

Wait so is the void a type of radiation?

From some of the verbiage it seems like Wally is both weak to radiation and that the void is a type of radiation

[tall echo]

The void is a dimension between realities

[silk atlas]

There's "Void radiation" but it's not likely related to stuff like gamma radiation

[silk atlas]

It's also a type of energy

[graceful swan]

Murmur are
Wally isn't
DE just needed a thing to affect Murmur specifically

[stray gale]

that was probably a way to try and get people to change their builds lol

notice the murmur are resistant to viral and slash

[silk atlas]

And then they made Influence a thing anyway so it doesn't matter lmao

[stray gale]

well they added influence in that patch, so

[worn crescent]

Huh, I wonder how it would affect the human body

[silk atlas]

Void beam moment

[woven coyote]

Between zariman, cavia, albrecht, and anyone vaporized by a tenno i'd say it does very bad things lol

[worn crescent]

Well that’s concentrated exposure right? What if you were just hit by a massive wave of void energy, would your body start shutting down like radiation sickness?

God I sound like a sociopath, there is a reason for me asking this for context

Although what type of radiation would the void categorize as?

Would it be a type of alpha radiation?

Nah, not alpha radiation

[lean garden]

well, barring wally screwing with you, those exposed to the void had to isolate themselves as they "realigned" to reality

likely because their brain went a lil loopy after being exposed

[worn crescent]

They went a tad insane for a bit?

[worn crescent]

And the context is, if I’m going to write fan fiction, I’m at least going to be as lore accurate as I can be

The writers at DE have put years of work into the lore, and I’m not going to throw out said years of lore because I’m bored

[lean garden]

a bit

[woven coyote]

I thought it was more related to the time difference effects

[lean garden]

I mean, that aint mutually exclusive

[tall echo]

Thank you.

[strange turtle]

New Warframe, Narcissus

[normal mountain]

Keep in mind that light is a form of radiation
That being said, gamma might be the closest
might

[worn crescent]

It might also be considered a form of gravitational radiation? With how it can effect gravity, space and time

[normal mountain]

...honestly don't know why I didn't think of this earlier, but there's probably different types of Void radiation

Unlight being one of them (what that is, I'm not sure, but Xenorhast can refract it so 🤷‍♂️)

Then there'd be that gravitational thing you mentioned

at this point, I'm willing to chalk it up to 'the Void is weird' and be done with it, but this kinda fascinating to think about

[worn crescent]

The void is so confusing

[graceful swan]

That's the idea

[old dome]

...which frames make sounds/say things when you use their abilities?? bc recently i found out that kullervo makes a sound that kinda resembles "die" when you use his 4th...

[stiff fable]

Octavia

[woven coyote]

Iirc styanax had some in the making of his ability sounds

[stiff fable]

but honestly, most of them make some kind of muffled vocalization on at least one of their abilities

[woven coyote]

Yup

[raven urchin]

The Void is God

How come that Vor is the only Void cultist? It really should have a kind of Wally Religion by now

We had Tenno cult, Nature cult, Rell cult, Profit cult, Albrecht cult, where's the Void cult ?

[raven urchin]

Valkyr yells a lot

[normal mountain]

Thought that was Red Veil
...no, wait, they just worshipped Rell, nvm

[tall echo]

Give your profit unto the void and it shall multiply

Nef anyo has a void cult

[raven urchin]

It's still more like a profit cult though

I'm looking after a more Deus Vult cult like Vor believes

https://tenor.com/view/kingdom-of-heaven-god-wills-it-knights-templar-god-gif-11058051

[stiff fable]

Nef Anyo's a scam church guy though, his version has people give him all their money while they worship the void

[tall echo]

You want people to worship energy? Or nothing?

[tall echo]

So just the average cult then

[stiff fable]

Yep

[raven urchin]

https://tenor.com/view/the-road-to-el-dorado-both-both-is-good-gif-8304204

[brittle siren]

so is this tree real Oberon?

[tall echo]

No

[glacial yacht]

Is there a lore reason why Flare has to put on a concert in the middle of a warzone?

[proper barn]

yes Flare is doing it as a defience.

to The scaldra.

They are a rebel at heart.

[restive river]

They rebel against Scaldra and Viktor due to what he did to them.

Also like
Apparently Flare’s concert needs to happen

[proper barn]

Their bandmates and stuff where killed cuz of their music it would be a disservice to the late bandmembers to not play the music that the scaldra hated so much in defiance of them. @glacial yacht

[restive river]

it sounds like that even if we could go back and save Flare’s bandmates it would cause too much of a disruption to the timeline, Flare needs to rebel for the same reason their friends have to die
It’s vital to the timeline

Some things clearly can be rewritten but others can not

[proper barn]

well the like

[restive river]

If I had to guess Flare rebelling during 1999 results in a movement against whomever later in the timeline and for whatever reason it’s a vital movement, though a mute one since the Orokin gain power anyway

[proper barn]

zariman thing talks about

how certain things are so big that when changed the old one still lingers.

[restive river]

The palimpsest of spacetime

What is the core thesis of The Palimpsest of Spacetime?

A. Events can be rewritten; traces of the original persist (correct)

It’s less things are so bog they remain and more events can be rewritten but the original still exists

So while we can alter history we cannot entirely change it, not all of it

[proper barn]

it seems to be big things though.

[restive river]

Seems to be

[proper barn]

WAIT let me Look at the qoute.

[restive river]

But also like
Other things just can’t be rewritten, or we could but it’d be too dangerous to do so

Like saving Flare’s band

They have to die so Flare rebels

Even with what Albrecht rewrote (adding the protoframe infusions into the mix) Flare still rebels

[proper barn]

well

the band where killed cuz the music made the citiziens rebel even.

[restive river]

Flare: "So a time traveler and a rock-n-roll mutant walk into a bar. And the mutant says, 'hey, my friends all got executed, can we go back and save them?' But the time traveller says, 'well, if we save them, then you never go on the run and hide out at the mall, so we never meet and they can never get saved.' So it goes, right? Anyways, I'm Flare. Good to meet you, Drifter."

[restive river]

And Flare lives and continues to rebel

[proper barn]

yeah.

[proper barn]

yeah some bootstrap paradox nonsense this would be. i think.

[restive river]

Like I said, if I had to guess the rebellion is vital to some extent and will always occur

[restive river]

No bootstraps

That’s also more so a grandfather paradox

[proper barn]

oh okay.

[restive river]

If we go back to save the band Flare never becomes a proto so we never go back so they die so Flare asks us to go back and that goes on forever

Bootstrap is you have something, go back in time, find out it doesn’t exist but you have it so you cause it to exist so that you can have it so you can go back in time to cause it to exist and that goes on forever in a loop

[proper barn]

gotcha.

[restive river]

Which is why I was initially thinking Temple is a bootstrap but it seems more likely Ballas just had a rebellious design, Albrecht took it, gave it to Flare as infusion, Flare modifies it by bleeding on their guitar and the first Temple comes to be from them chilling on a comet til the night of the naga drums which is why that’s not a bootstrap, Temple has a defined origin, it’s just long and convoluted and unlike other frames

There’s no way for Ballas to get the Temple design because Temple only appears during the fall of the Orokin
So
Albrecht took Ballas’ design, modified it, etc etc

Afaik there are no bootstraps in Warframe

I mean there isn’t many time paradoxes at all from what I recall, even Lua Spy vaults can be explained by us just rewriting things
Which
Should lead to a grandfather paradox but it doesn’t, proving some things can be rewritten

It’s just some things are too dangerous(?) to rewrite ig
Like saving the band

There’s also ofc the issue of we can’t even travel back to 98 or further if we wanted too
Iirc there’s a “wall” of sorts separating 1999 and everything before

I’m having trouble finding the exact quote unfortunately ):

[worn ermine]

Why does the Vesper 77's barrel involve argon crystals when those wouldn't be discovered for like a thousand years?

[restive river]

Gameplay > lore

[graceful swan]

Albrecht could've brought it to the Past

Weapon ingredients for it don't change between past and future

[restive river]

Iirc the Vesper’s from like
97?

I forgot what it said on it

But I recall it predating Albrecht

Oh nvm 1966 LMAO

It predates Albrecht’s visit by a LOT

[graceful swan]

Arthur’s gotta get an updated kit

[restive river]

Lol

Ol reliable

[graceful swan]

He should start using Origin System equipment

[restive river]

That’s where we come in lol

[graceful swan]

I wonder if Kaya has realised the future isn't much better yet

[restive river]

It’s better in the sense that photo isn’t following her

Ofc she also realizes she has true friends and family now with us and the Hex

[raw jay]

Why doesn’t the lotus just send some railjack crews to steal belric and rania and take then to some tenno allied location?

[graceful swan]

Not worth it

[tall echo]

And likely either impossible or very dangerous

Moving a permanent void tunnel could have serious consequences

[silk atlas]

And Regor constantly throwing bodies at it 24/7 isn't exactly going to make it easy even if moving it was possible and feasible.

[humble sierra]

Lorewise she might've moved them after we deal with Regor permanently after Natah

Or maybe even after doing Tyana Pass for the first time

[graceful swan]

We never actually kill him as DE doesn't want to perma kill enemies

[tall echo]

Evidence heavily suggests that regor is dead after natah

[sly ibex]

If he was still alive, Clone Rot would be a solved issue by now. We'd have the intro cinematic looking Grineer again.

[stray gale]

he would have learned so much from live dissections

[silk sorrel]

Did lavos prime himself?

If so, what does that even mean, and like, how?

[normal mountain]

It means he made every alchemist's dream come true and transmuted gold

Just on himself

[graceful swan]

Implied but not confirmed

[woven coyote]

Substituting with modern materials?

[strange turtle]

The Argon is because each Vesper pistol was hand-lubricated with grease from Argon Burger

Naturally the fabricator simply can’t replicate this, and has to improvise

[worn crescent]

There’s no way that’s canon…..

Hold up, I need to confirm if this real

[restive river]

It was a joke lol

Argon Crystals don’t exist in 1999
The reason they’re used for the Vesper is just for gameplay

[worn crescent]

Realistically anything crafted with argon crystals should collapse shouldn’t they?

[restive river]

Maybe?

[strange turtle]

I mean we don’t know what they actually do with them

[restive river]

Could even just be used to stabilize it during the crafting process

[worn crescent]

Wait on the topic, what is an argon crystals actual half-life? Would I be the time it takes to decay in the origin system or would I be different?

[strange turtle]

It could just be used in some process and not actually be a component of the final product, or they could use some tech or method or mix it with some other material to maintain it and prevent the usual degradation

[restive river]

I still wanna know why we haven’t come up with a storage solution for them yet

[restive river]

For Warframes that use it they are void powered so maybe that’s enough to keep the crystal from decaying?

But for weapons? Not so much

[proper barn]

no.

we actually know the reason for this.

[restive river]

For the Vesper I’m def inclined to say it’s for gameplay

[proper barn]

@worn crescent okay the void time stuff isn't the same as normal TIME so. also argon doesn't go "nowhere" it just is stable in the void and when you take it out it starts to try to return to it.

and when it "Fully decays" it is just it returning to the void.

[restive river]

Idk if this will send

Darn

Look up the KIMulacrum, go to the convo locator and search up Argon, then go to the Kaya flowchart for it

She explains how they work

[worn crescent]

Well yes, but wouldn’t the argon in the weapon just collapse? Unless turning into an alloy stabilizes it?

[proper barn]

maybe.

idk.

but we are using a device that fully 3-D makes anything.

[proper barn]

i don't think the 1999 people all have future foundies.

[restive river]

Heck it can perfectly replicate a person’s mind (see Umbra/all Warframes)

[worn crescent]

God I hate how confusing the void

[proper barn]

welll

[restive river]

Lmao

[proper barn]

that is infested stuff.

[worn crescent]

Hive mind bullcrap

[proper barn]

and the foundry has special settings for infested.

no

[restive river]

More so the foundry is really good at making things, including minds
Like
Warframes are half human too

[proper barn]

it's how we clone infested samples it's nothing to do with the hivemind @worn crescent

I know somewhere

[restive river]

Umbra’s memories are recreated in the foundry from a couple scans of him

That is
Insane technology, the foundry is wild

[proper barn]

there is a "oh the foundry it can make any item also it does specail stuff with infested".

[worn crescent]

God this games lore is so confusing, it’s like kingdom hearts at this point

[proper barn]

I KNOW THAT NOTE IS SOMEWHERE

[restive river]

If anything the infestation is just good at keeping a “memory” of their minds

[restive river]

Look up foundry on the archives

It’s in the. I think Cordylon QnAs

[strange turtle]

Yeah a bunch of the blueprints its in is definitely just for gameplay reasons or to represent something

[restive river]

My best bet for lore reasons is it’s used to just
Accelerate or assist the process or something

[strange turtle]

Like the Exergis uses it and “shatters high-yield crystal into anyone”, so it’s obvious why they put it there

[restive river]

Yeah

The Vesper was made in 1966 lmao

[worn crescent]

Come to think of it why do the frames need argon crystal? To give a connection to the void?

[restive river]

Not every frame needs them

So
No

[normal mountain]

Perhaps
The real question is, why does Qorvex need 4 of them?

[worn crescent]

The AK was made in 1947, so presumably the AX was also made if 1947, I’m probably wrong to be fair

[strange turtle]

He’s hungry for that void radiation

[restive river]

Possibly around that time yeah

I don’t think there’s anything on the AX that says a year like the Vesper unfortunately

[worn crescent]

I’ll just go with 1947 for right now

[restive river]

Albrecht designed him to be silly

Can’t wait for Qorvex Prime to just be “oh yeah Albrecht made an even cooler design with Obols everywhere :)”

[worn crescent]

The better question is why was protea designed after a belly dancer, is parvos that much of a freak?

[restive river]

Yes

[normal mountain]

Can we find any real-world weapons with similar name/appearance?
(Would also say features, but I don't think there's any real guns that have bonus crit multipliers on weakpoints)

[restive river]

Bro has fake siblings

[worn crescent]

Who are gold diggers*

[restive river]

I think some people found similar weapons ages ago when it was first shown

[glacial bough]

She... wasn't?

[normal mountain]

I think that was Ballas' touch in the final design tbh
Parvos doesn't strike me as that kind of indulgent

[restive river]

Parvos do be freaky tho

[glacial bough]

Protea doesn't have dancer themes to start

[restive river]

I still wanna know why she’s named after a flower

[worn crescent]

Look a protea prime, there is most definitely belly dancer motifs

[strange turtle]

“If anyone notices I’m ordering even more radioactive material they’re going to think I’m preparing for a 19th radiation war”

Argon is discovered

https://tenor.com/view/albrecht-entrati-the-man-in-the-wall-warframe-1999-warframe-you-are-late-warframe-jojo-gif-4432154459658682236

[normal mountain]

Again, pretty sure that was Ballas that added that motif
Parvos seemed more interested in her abilities to me

[worn crescent]

That was probably ballas, ballas does seem like the type of guy to say “where my hug at” to be fair

[worn crescent]

I was going to say because what the protea flower means symbolically, but it much more fits Lavos

[restive river]

lmao

[glacial bough]

And my point still stands, there's no dancer theming there

[worn crescent]

“Like protea comes up from the ashes, He says I will give you beauty for ashes” Maybe? It’s from Isaiah 61:3, I have literally never read the Bible so I’m just spitballing

[normal mountain]

You know, if it was part of Parvos' design, I bet it was meant to be deceptive
Disguise the master warrior as a delicate dancer

I still believe that part was all Ballas though

[worn crescent]

My question is why does a Warframe named after a flower have grenades

[restive river]

The better question is why she has time manipulation

Other than
Parvos wanted it ig

[normal mountain]

Because it doesn't have to make sense
Otherwise the psychic Warframe wouldn't be named after the Greek primordial goddess of Night

[worn crescent]

Rebirth from ashes maybe? Although that would make a lot more sense if she was more based off of a pheonix

[worn crescent]

Ok, Nyx does make a bit more sense

We also have a wizard named after a dude who just wrote medieval fan fiction

[normal mountain]

Psyche would have been better for thematic reasons

[worn crescent]

Deimos or Phobos would have been better in my opinion

[normal mountain]

Why?
She's not fear or...
Well, okay, panic would work, but Deimos is too masculine

[worn crescent]

If Nyx was male Deimos would work, I wonder if there is a feminine version of Deimos though?

[normal mountain]

And honestly, at this point I'm okay with names not making sense

[normal mountain]

I believe there's a goddess of nightmares
Forgot her name, she's so obscure
But iirc, she's the daughter of Hades

[worn crescent]

That’s fair, Atlas, Excalibur, Mag, Ember and frost all make sense, but from there they just said screw it

[normal mountain]

Melinoe
Had to look it up

[worn crescent]

That’s Orphic not Greek, makes sense why I was confused

Daughter of Persephone, not of hades

[normal mountain]

Turns out there's actually some confusion regarding her parentage, but I say whatever

[worn crescent]

Not like I already am confused enough about Orphic Mythos because of another Games lore

To sum it up, F*ck genshin lore

Wait, is the void kinda like Chaos? Because the void technically “birthed” Wally, or is Wally literally just the void?

Or was he created from albricts emotions upon the void? The verbiage makes it seem like big al ‘woke’ him up

[feral cape]

Chaos as in the Greek thing or 40k?

[worn crescent]

Greek thing

[feral cape]

Uh chaos is like head hancho right

The guy before all other guys

[normal mountain]

Came first, not in charge

[worn crescent]

Primordial is a better term

[feral cape]

I am basising this entirely on what I remember from playing hades

Peak game btw

[worn crescent]

Really need to play hades

[normal mountain]

Fair
Most of my knowledge of Greek mythology comes from books written by Rick Riordan

[worn crescent]

AYY PERCY JACKSON FAN

[feral cape]

Arnt those like terriblly inaccurate

[normal mountain]

Other bits I look up elsewhere

[tall echo]

Mine comes from kid icarus ._.

It's. Not very reliable

[worn crescent]

Surprisingly no, Rick put a lot of effort into the research, not the most accurate but it gives you a general understanding

[normal mountain]

I'd say somewhat simplified due to needing a solid lore

Otherwise, Dex has it

[feral cape]

Wally was more than likely born from Albrechts emotions

Atleast given anything of substance

If we assume wally was around as long as the void was he would've had no form or entanglement

[humble sierra]

"The first scholar looked into the Void and he feared it. And his fear took shape. Do you understand? That's how all this started."

[feral cape]

He'd lack any amount of physical presence

Yes i am not taking sylvias words as gospel

[tall echo]

Someone should've gotten a druid to cast vine growth on the void

[tall echo]

Sythel?

[feral cape]

Yes

[humble sierra]

Of course, she's not exactly the most reliable source since she's paranoid

[humble sierra]

The quote I gave

[feral cape]

Albrechte computer says Albrecht is most likely responsible

[humble sierra]

She can say it if you rock up to her house

[tall echo]

I corrected the name

[feral cape]

If we assume that the red veil is not lying about wally being older than the stars

[humble sierra]

Oh 🤡 silly me

[feral cape]

Wally would have to exist as a metaphysical presence before albretch enters the void

[normal mountain]

If we assume Wally wasn't lying to them about being older than the stars

[tall echo]

Red veil knows less than rell who barely knew what wally is

[worn crescent]

Wait how old is the void? Primordial? Before the universe? Maybe paradoxical? Like it never existed but has always existed, idk

[feral cape]

Granted if space doesn't exist in the void then neither should time albretch entering the void from a physical perspective should be t=0

[feral cape]

More than 3 less than aleph 1

[tall echo]

Wally didn't talk to them

[normal mountain]

I just assume Wally talked to Rell, who relayed the information onward

[feral cape]

The void could be countablly infinite years old

Mayhaps

[tall echo]

Wally taunted rell at best

[worn crescent]

“Countably infinite” I’m sorry what?

[worn crescent]

That’s not how infinity works???

[feral cape]

Some infinitys are countable some arnt

Imagine for a moment every whole number 1 to infinite

Thats aleph null the countable infinity

[normal mountain]

And what's a better way for an eldrich being to taunt than flaunting their age?
Or straight-up inflating it?

[feral cape]

You can assign a separate value to each integer in that set

1-2
2-4
3-6...

[tall echo]

Several better ways

[normal mountain]

"You can't hope to beat me, I'm incalculably old"

[tall echo]

"I made ye kill yer mum lmao"

[normal mountain]

...that would work too

[feral cape]

Now if you take every real number you have 1.00000...1 1.000000...2

[normal mountain]

I mean, I doubt it's the only thing he did

[tall echo]

Or just rap tap tapping on every wall

[feral cape]

So on and so forth and you can never assign a separate value to every ordinal in this set

[worn crescent]

Well I- that’s not how infinity works though? There’s conceptual and absolute infinities?

[feral cape]

So the cardinal is uncountablly infinite

[tall echo]

I think that still nobody has figured out the reference I'm making with this

[worn crescent]

That’s some infinites being bigger than each other, not being countable though

[normal mountain]

Rap tap tapping on heaven's dooooooooooor....

[tall echo]

Impressive

[feral cape]

It is

The set of all natural numbers is countable and infinite

[worn crescent]

What song is that? Or is it not a song?

[normal mountain]

Part of the reason I made it through Chains of Harrow is because my brain started making that joke out of reflex

[worn crescent]

By that logic every infinity is countable, because they have to be defined

[normal mountain]

It's an alteration of Knockin on Heaven's Door

[worn crescent]

Ah, haven’t listened to it

[feral cape]

No its not this is literally the basis of set theory

[normal mountain]

Been so long, I only remember the chorus

[tall echo]

It's a bit on the older side tbf

[worn crescent]

Dude, all I know is general relativity and how time works, I’m going off what I know, you probably know more than me

[worn crescent]

And? I literally named my clan after (Don’t Fear) The Reaper

[tall echo]

Time works until it doesn't

[tall echo]

Most people nowadays don't care much for good older music

[worn crescent]

Which is anything faster than 299 792 458 m/s

[feral cape]

Discrete objects are at most countable
You can count them one by one, even if there's infinite of them
Continuums are uncountable
Whether or not it's infinite in length, there are so many objects that it becomes impossible to distinguish from one another, no matter how far you zoom in
So that infinity is greater

[woven coyote]

Nah white noise with 5 words repeated over 5 minutes is the best /s

[worn crescent]

Around the world around the world~

[tall echo]

The only songs like that that I can accept are from daft punk

[woven coyote]

At least they had style lol

Nowadays....

[worn crescent]

I swear if you say “no music is good anymore” I will call you a boomer

[tall echo]

Robot rock, one more time(stretches your given description), around the world

[woven coyote]

There's good music for sure
But the media industry would never tell you about it

[tall echo]

There's no good music in the mainstream anymore

[worn crescent]

NOCTWIN by Vantablack, thank me later

[normal mountain]

Of course not!
They're riding the rap train!

[feral cape]

Fascinating

[normal mountain]

Why I only listen to a select few modern artists other than Weird Al

[worn crescent]

Well I mean Kendrick exists, same with Tyler, wow it basically really is only rap that’s good as of late huh?

[tall echo]

Good joke

[woven coyote]

Again its just the media industry not talking about the good stuff

[normal mountain]

I found it in poor taste
Then again, I despise rap

[tall echo]

We gotta go back to shanties

[worn crescent]

Tf you mean good joke?

[worn crescent]

Heathen.

[tall echo]

Good rap in the mainstream? Impossible.

Good rap is already rare

[normal mountain]

I will admit, Snoop Dog is funny
But only the person, not his music

[worn crescent]

Tyler, The Creator exists my brother in Christ, and if you say Tyler sucks I will crucify you.

[tall echo]

I don't even know who that is

[feral cape]

He's tyler

He creates

[tall echo]

I avoid the rap sphere to preserve my brain cell

[woven coyote]

Youtube tried to suggest his music videos to me
Looked very.... artsy

[feral cape]

Fascinating

[worn crescent]

He’s good, that’s what he is

[worn crescent]

That’s ominous

[tall echo]

Good

[woven coyote]

On the third fascinating the universe colapses

[feral cape]

I think scraps take is interesting

[tall echo]

Fascinating

[feral cape]

No i have to say it

[tall echo]

It didn't work

[feral cape]

3 different people saying Beetlejuice doesn't summon him

[woven coyote]

He cant multitask

[tall echo]

[Insert GoW "release me" meme here]

[feral cape]

After all you have to say beetlejuice 3 times in a row

I think disliking music for merely belonging to a genre is a take of all time

[normal mountain]

I dislike rap because I have yet to find an artist who doesn't litter their music with cuss words

[tall echo]

There are genres I generally don't like with singular exceptions and vice versa

[normal mountain]

Excuse me, mistyped

[worn crescent]

BOOM due to vacuum decay we all cease to exist due to the Higgs field going from a false zero dimensional plane to a one dimensional plane

[feral cape]

False vacuum decay exists in warframe

Did you know that