lore-discussion

[humble sierra]

that does make sense though

[restive river]

But it does lol

[dark mist]

Both options happen.

[dapper bloom]

hi 👋 maybe this has been asked before, but is there any indication to whom might have won the war if the tenno never woke up at the beginning of the game?

[drowsy saddle]

you mean the New War?

[dapper bloom]

no i mean the beginning of the game

my reason for asking this is that i've been made to understand that we woke up to keep any side from winning (grineer vs corpus), and so i asked myself "is this really true"

[rotund tinsel]

I think the intro indicated the grinner were winning

Till we started to keep the filth in line

[drowsy saddle]

yeah but Parvos was going to show up regardless with his Sisters

though maybe the Infested would keep the grineer in check regardless

since Corpus robotics are immune to Infested until Salad made the Mutualist

[dapper bloom]

Salad XD

[drowsy saddle]

also it wasn't really a war and more of just continuous skirmishing

[dapper bloom]

right, i was just wondering, if we didn't woke up if it would have changed anything

[drowsy saddle]

the pendulum would probably swing further to either side

[proper barn]

we reduce the control and control it idk if the outcome would have been different really we just stop like the really terrible parts.

and protect people.

[rotund tinsel]

The tenno currently just make sure that no one has dominance over the system I think

Although after new war,I would not trust the tenno after that

[restive river]

Parvos was trapped in his void and needed us

[proper barn]

MAYBE? we have a lot of moments where 1 side might have won out if we weren't there. Ambulas, Tel-Regor fixing Clone rot and doing expermints Corpus using the profit taker to like do more stuff. The balors uhhhhhhh we stop Alad V doing stuff. the Grinner might have taken out cetus that would be bad. Fortuna would probably be in the worse place as well.

[restive river]

In time the infestation would have just infected everything, I don’t think the Corpus or Grineer can stop it entirely

Thanks Tengus

[proper barn]

I swear no one remembers what happens in the parvos quest and just the end email. evne then they don't remember he is basiclly a mob boss saying work with me or i'll hurt your family.

[dapper bloom]

such a goofy name

[proper barn]

PENGUS

[dapper bloom]

hahahahahaha

[rotund tinsel]

Pengus,the most richest man in the system

[restive river]

Seriously!

[proper barn]

ducky how many people do you think know that the Unum is gay?

percentage wize?

[restive river]

Parvos used us to get free, no way we coulda known and now we gotta deal with him
But without us?
He would be stuck

[rotund tinsel]

I forget the unum is sentient

[drowsy saddle]

Nef wasting the entire population of Fortuna trying to get the SSR drop

[proper barn]

the quills are kinda the most successful faction in the game.

but whatever.

[restive river]

I’m gonna be generous and say
5-10% of the player base
Probably closer to 5
Math isn’t my strong suit and reading comprehension is a skill many players lack 😔

[proper barn]

lmao.

[drowsy saddle]

that implies that 1 in 20 knows

[restive river]

Yeah, Nef would not have been able to free his dad
He needed us

[proper barn]

Anyway Chat @dapper bloom and maddy hello maddy. The Unum and Gara where in a relationship. the words in the game say beloved and stuff so.

Also Kullervo is gay. what else Dagath was bi and poly.

[dapper bloom]

i'm still here

[proper barn]

what else

[restive river]

Prob a smaller percentage then ye
I have dyscalculia

[rotund tinsel]

"I can't believe my tower is this cute"

[restive river]

It’s probably 1%

[proper barn]

true

oh ticker is a trans woman.

[dapper bloom]

i missed all the Dagath lore, i never read anything about that one

[proper barn]

What else.

[restive river]

The Drifter/Tenno are gender fluid and the hex are bi/pan

[proper barn]

yeah.

[strange plinth]

loid n albrecht's relationship had to be clarified on twitter

[dapper bloom]

yeah they are work buddies

[proper barn]

'what's in your pants' "VOID"

[rotund tinsel]

Next we are gonna have Umbra was married to a man and issah is adopted

[proper barn]

@rotund tinsel what?

[restive river]

Flare is nonbinary
So is Temple cause Flare becomes Temple
Xaku is nonbinary and while it is mostly because they are 3 individuals glued together by the void they are now 1 and thus still nonbinary

[dapper bloom]

just two straight work partners who grab hands, whats wrong with that

[proper barn]

these where all in the game when it came out

[rotund tinsel]

Next Peak Umbra lore

[drowsy saddle]

Umbra shrimply ingested enough Testosterone to create a son via mitosis

[proper barn]

i mean would this change anything?

i don't think this would change anything.

[digital grail]

Yes.

[proper barn]

he could be a single dad that adopted issah.

[restive river]

||Umbra mpreg would be awesome||

[rotund tinsel]

Umbra was peak so hard issah became into existence

[swift relic]

[restive river]

LOL

[dapper bloom]

i don't remember Issah says the word "mother" even once , maybe i'm wrong, i only played it once

[restive river]

Issah’s only known parent is Umbra lol

[digital grail]

"Father? FATHER!?" -issah

[dapper bloom]

so what if Umbra put an egg and hatched Issah

[proper barn]

I hope you meant this in a funny way but just to be clear all the lore i said wasn't added after any warframe came out. that was the lore that came out with the warframes in the same update.

[swift relic]

Isaah was mindfreaked into Umbra's memory by Ballas, obviously /s

[proper barn]

I just wanna be clear.

[drowsy saddle]

what if this is a Primarch/Space Marine dynamic? Isaah was a recruit who Umbra took under his wing and when Isaah got recruited to be a Dax they used Umbra's genes?

[rotund tinsel]

I did mean this in a funny way

[proper barn]

fair lul

[swift relic]

But also we have Dagath's whole backstory

[proper barn]

yes

[dapper bloom]

Dagyatt

[proper barn]

evil poly couple that did love her but they where EVIL.

[restive river]

Dagath bi/pan polycule

[restive river]

Average Orokin moment

[drowsy saddle]

Dagath in a nutshell:
Cruel and Unusual Lesbian Couple and their unfortunate Horse Lesbian

[swift relic]

Wholesome polycule orokin couple

Vs

Evil and intimidating horse lady

Classic orokin propaganda, really

[strange plinth]

definitely how they saw it, in the end

[drowsy saddle]

tbf, Dagath had a creepy smile

[proper barn]

also i love that the story doesn't say their love is wrong or like bad or anything morally. it's just the Orokin obsess over her too much.

[swift relic]

Tbf Dagath could fix Umbra in my 100% realistic headcanon

[rotund tinsel]

I bet if the orokin could,they'd make air a privilege like O'Hare from the lorax

[drowsy saddle]

though why they didn't just put a paper bag over her head idk

[restive river]

We’re bored of you snd your creeoy smile we commissioned, laser blast her face with mining tech

[proper barn]

I WANT THE GHOST FACE the like glpyh

for her prime

[drowsy saddle]

air probably was a scarce resource in the first years of humanity fleeing earth

[proper barn]

PLEASE DE.

[restive river]

Yeah
The Orokin weren’t homophobic/transphobic and that’s like the only good thing about them
That and their fashion (to an extent)

[proper barn]

yeah. they just where weridos anyway.

[drowsy saddle]

i mean the orokin modelled themselves after the romans/greeks

[strange plinth]

its purely a status thing, yeah
taboo if its a dax, but no laws against the warframes (batman,,,), so they lost interest after that

[swift relic]

I'm gonna say, the roman senator drip alongside that one long arm kinda goes hard

[proper barn]

about class and watned to be god.

[restive river]

Man Dagath deluxe is gonna go crazy hard…

[drowsy saddle]

the greeks invented coitus, the romans added women

[proper barn]

she was basiclly a couch at that point.

[dapper bloom]

Dagath alternate helmet with Xaku-like ghostly face, i want it

[restive river]

There’s a really cool Dante helmet on the workshop that I need to be canon

[swift relic]

Orokin when they see a really soft couch that occasionally neighs

[drowsy saddle]

tbh 1999 themed Dagath skin where the Kaithes are replaced with Atomicycles

[dapper bloom]

woah! just like that!

[digital grail]

Freaky looking

[drowsy saddle]

https://tenor.com/view/bogdanov-bogdanof-bitcoin-on-the-phone-gif-12411899

[restive river]

Or just horses

[rotund tinsel]

I'm being mogged by a faceless person

[proper barn]

this is what i was talking about.

also

[restive river]

How Dagath was looking at her partners (before the incident)

[proper barn]

her face was litearlly in the dagath hollow the whole time it was this face there too.

[restive river]

I still wish we got that mask as an auxiliary or a decoration

[proper barn]

good.

[proper barn]

but yeah this is why i was talking about it lmao.

[restive river]

Freakframe is real
The devs said so when they made the warframes

[swift relic]

Also off topic

Since the Grineer are a matriarchy, and even though it's not reflected in-game

Do female Liches have higher standing than male Liches?

[restive river]

They have always known what they are doing

[proper barn]

now i gotta go get a shot of the hollow now

[restive river]

Probably yeah!

[proper barn]

i mean the highest troops there are in game are the kuva guardains and the ones on them i forget the name and they choose the kuva liches

[swift relic]

Incredibly based

I need more worm queen in my life, her attitude is great and keeps me playing Conjuction Survival

[drowsy saddle]

i mean most of their specialized units are female, heavy gunners for example

[proper barn]

so they are above them but idk if the average kuva lich are above each other.

[restive river]

I just realized that both the Corpus and Grineer have women > men
Grineer is a matriarchy and all women outrank the men
Corpus have the sisters with Parvos cause he always wanted sisters

[restive river]

I hope we get more of her soon :)

[strange plinth]

the infested have lizzie /j

[swift relic]

I'm also impressed just... how good Parvos is..

Like, yeah he's evil and an antagonist

But compared to the rest of the Corpus...

[restive river]

Parvos would absolutely accept a trans Corpus sister
“Oh you’re a woman? Based, come be by my side, here’s a robot dog!”

[proper barn]

I would say Grinner is more of a what's it called a merit based system and Corpus is literally who you know and what family you are in.

[drowsy saddle]

if Nef's relationship with his mother is common for Corpus, women might just be shudders breeders

[restive river]

Grineer are literally a matriarchy
All the women are smarter iirc too

[proper barn]

no. you're wrong he's worse. he thinks the corpus are doing badly CUZ THEY AREN'T EVIL ENOUGH.

[restive river]

And more aggressive

[swift relic]

I am personally locking Nef in a room with Ruud Zood

[proper barn]

he literally acts like he's hurt

and dying so we go help him and then he tries to kill everyone on the ship.

[dapper bloom]

do we know Nef's height at all

[swift relic]

This might be me not reading up enough, but I was remembering him calling out Nef in the quest

[drowsy saddle]

i wanna tank his stock price so his beard turns red

[restive river]

The Corpus do just have purpose-bred individuals iirc so

But for Parvos he at least puts his fake siblings on a pedestal til they mess up slightly

[strange plinth]

idk i'm locking him in a solaris rig and transferring all of SU's debt to him
at least for a while

[proper barn]

HE WAS CALLING HIM OUT CUZ HE WANTS THE BIG MURDER MACHINE TO DO MURDER BETTER.

[drowsy saddle]

Million Dollar Baby

[restive river]

Nef Anyo?
More like Nepo Anyo

[swift relic]

Petition to ask DE to add a weekly raid where we literally break into Nef's bank accounts and the reward is just 1mil credit base

[proper barn]

at the end he just emails us as and says

"hey work with me or i'll kill your family byeeeeee"

[swift relic]

I can respect that.

[restive river]

It’d make more sense for that to be a good credit farm than going into the past and opening up some infested vaults lmao

[proper barn]

no

[swift relic]

Exxxaaaaaaaaaaactly

[restive river]

Quincy moment

[swift relic]

Quincy does make me laugh the most

[strange plinth]

help clem type mission except its little duck or someone

[restive river]

Give me more Little Duck content and my life is yours DE

[proper barn]

she always looked like this.

[restive river]

GIVE ME A LITTLE DUCK FLOOF AND MY LIFE IS YOURS

[restive river]

.;,;.

[swift relic]

You like Duck?
I couldn't have imagined

[restive river]

[rotund tinsel]

Okay now I wish she stayed faceless

[restive river]

Little Duck rules in the ghouls comics

[rotund tinsel]

My goat Excalibur got BENCHED in that iirc

[proper barn]

i like women with a strong jaw. or square jawline.

[restive river]

Speaking of the comics
Vay Hek before Tengus betrays him and Chad Vor are fantastic images

[swift relic]

But also I do like Duck just for her voicelines

[rotund tinsel]

Did my boy so dirty it's tragic

[proper barn]

give me a woman in a suit best.

[restive river]

I want scarlet spear to come back just for little duck

[swift relic]

https://tenor.com/view/warframe-little-duck-solaris-gif-21084918

My bestie

[restive river]

And the rewards I missed cause I was burnt out cause the event was bad

[restive river]

She’s the goat
Or rather
The duck

[proper barn]

Scarlet spear would need to be changed a lot.

we have better scarlet spear events now.

[swift relic]

"What. the. balls."

[restive river]

Fine by me

[proper barn]

i meant more

like belly or the whispers one

[restive river]

Yeah

[proper barn]

are just the same but better.

[restive river]

Not all of the rewards have returned and neither feature little duck

[proper barn]

the ones that haven't are like

[restive river]

So while they are better in every way they lack that ine aspect

[proper barn]

the emblems and that's it.

[swift relic]

Little Duck herself should be a reward, life-size cutout

[proper barn]

also sure lmao.

[swift relic]

I never realized how many characters I stan in wf

[proper barn]

haven't even mentioned

[swift relic]

I am an omega simp for like 4 people in every facing

[proper barn]

Ticker or Cy.

Queen ticker is real i'll have you know.

[restive river]

Fun fact, Cy’s va is trans!

[swift relic]

No wonder Cy is so cool

[proper barn]

yep

[swift relic]

But also neat

[proper barn]

Ticker is also

canonicly trans.

[swift relic]

Correct. ✅️

[rotund tinsel]

Need to know what Umbra sounds like ong

[strange turtle]

Vay Hek looked like that? No wonder he’s so angry all the time nowadays

[restive river]

Like Steve
He did his howls

[humble sierra]

GTA online heist, change the entire gameplay so we have the goofy running physics

[swift relic]

I also still want that Corpus vs Grineer pvp mode DE!

[proper barn]

It's still a bad idea

No one plays pvp.

[swift relic]

How has that ever stopped anyone

[graceful swan]

Nobody plays PvP yet DE made another PvP mode

[proper barn]

Get in the pear wiggler

https://tenor.com/view/pear-wiggle-pear-wiggler-pear-wiggled-get-wiggled-gif-7225222458756406813

[swift relic]

Shake me papi

[proper barn]

I do think the most people that have ever gotten conclave standing has gone up 10000 percent with face off in the game.

But that's pvevp

[swift relic]

I'd still enjoy some more... foot-soldier stuff

[proper barn]

Oh Hey the space marine faction I don't like.

[graceful swan]

A Corpus vs Grineer PvP mode I still doubt people would play as many stop Kahl missions after getting to 5

[swift relic]

The Corpus v grineer pvp is more a pipe dream

[swift relic]

That's because there's no goddamn rewards after rank 5

They took the Archon shard away

The only reason people kept playing it

[proper barn]

The black templars are if you took the dark templars and then took out all the sauce and made them more boring.

[graceful swan]

Even when there was a shard people stopped at 5

[swift relic]

I care not for for WH lore, I just like the funny dance cx

[swift relic]

I personally don't know anyone that passed up a free extra shard?

[humble sierra]

Didn't buy Space Marine 2 because while I could make Tyson or whatever his name was a girly pop, I could not play as a girl (I am a man irl)

[swift relic]

Why play game if I can't be a perfect idol in it?

[graceful swan]

People who don’t like Kahls gameplay

Which many don’t

They only like Warframe gameplay

[swift relic]

I also don't enjoy Kahl's gameplay

I still did it because of the shard

[proper barn]

I do. They suck. Give me literally any other loyalist space marine faction and I will like them more.

[humble sierra]

WH 🤝 WF

Tau

[swift relic]

M'T'au

[proper barn]

In warhammer it's T grutal stop AU.

T'au

[drowsy saddle]

You're about to say it but you get punched in the shoulder

[terse vector]

Ordis solos everyone: D

[frosty jacinth]

The well feared shadow of hunhow and wardog of the orokin, Stalker vs a lil floaty boy

[latent chasm]

I find it funny that a 19 year old protoframe can time travel as easy as possible but a LITERAL VOID GOD is having trouble

[restive river]

Unknown if Wally is an actual god
But
Also he’s literally confined due to his missing finger

Kaya also was capable of using us a lighthouse and the void

Also Wally can time travel easily enough so long as his Murmur get the chance to tether a strand of khra (conceptually embodied timeline) somewhere

[latent chasm]

The literal void god was a joke though

No offense

[restive river]

There was no offense
Just correcting cause people tend to call him a god without any real reason

Heck Drifter even does it
Wally is just powerful, unknown if they’re godly levels of power

It’s like calling the Orokin gods to some extent
Just cause they’re powerful and unkind doesn’t mean they are a god

[latent chasm]

It seems like he uses void tongue to use his powers well his more stronger abilities

[stiff fable]

he doesn't need to tho

[restive river]

Has he like
Even used void tongue beyond speaking it those two times to us?

His murmur speak it iirc but he himself hasn’t that much from what I recall

Heck the Cavia spoke it more than him, no?

[stiff fable]

Yeah

[latent chasm]

Like when we confronted him he said XATA FASS XATA (truth chaos truth) and just disappeared

[stiff fable]

It's not really that surprising though

[restive river]

Ye he did there

[stiff fable]

Time doesn't exist in the Void

[restive river]

Untime
Unspace

[stiff fable]

Inside the Void he's just about all powerful, but he can't pick up a pebble over here

which is why the Murmur is fricking terrifying because bodies do not work like that

[restive river]

Heck even then he’s restricted in some areas
Mostly Duviri
Though he did try his best to mess with it

[normal cipher]

my theory is lotus is actually a tenno

[stiff fable]

um

[latent chasm]

And it seems like wally is playing with us like we're a joke to him

[stiff fable]

how far are you into the quests

[restive river]

Anansi

[woven coyote]

If you arent far into the story you might want to run away from this chat lol

[proper barn]

Seemingly he also needs a conduit.

[restive river]

Wdym

Cause in Whispers he just
Used his Murmur :p

[proper barn]

Okay so he's in like the current time

[restive river]

They tethered a strand, he spoke to us, tried to squish us, we used the power of love and he went away

The present is relative

[proper barn]

But invading 1999 he couldn't get there until like he basically jumped in Vraska

[restive river]

Isn’t like
The whole thing that the past and future are equally real??

[stiff fable]

we actually don't know that

[proper barn]

Are we sure?

[restive river]

The arg is still how I think he got to her

[proper barn]

They say anchor or something don't they?

[stiff fable]

They do

The issue is, she's gone but Wally isn't

Go check out the radios in the mall

[restive river]

His Murmur are also present still

[stiff fable]

He's still knocking on the Wall

Rusalka was acting as Wally's anchor in that it let him take control of the loop temporarily

He pulled Rusalka out to pull the Drifter out

which led to the Hex failing

[restive river]

Our loop now

[stiff fable]

Yup

[restive river]

We changed the rules

But he’s still getting in, just in small bits
Tapping at the wall
His Murmur in ETA

Which I’d def say ETA stuff is canon
Like
To an extent
And his murmur appearing are def what I’d consider canon

Unrelated but why are the devs stacking ordis on stream lmao

[stiff fable]

It's canon like the sorties and archon hunts are

[restive river]

Yeee

[stiff fable]

It's stuff that happens but it's not main story

[restive river]

I mean the effects too

Ye

[stiff fable]

oh yeah totally

[restive river]

that time the only scaldra with murmur broke things was totally canon, it broke the timeline briefly

[stiff fable]

hahaha

maybe if we skip ETA for a month DE will make a 1999 Murmur event

[dire mountain]

But my archon shards

[hexed oxide]

what's this on uranus ?

jade ?

[karmic prism]

I might be wrong but I feel like those have been there forever

[dire mountain]

Tbh it looks like a beacon so ships can tell where a landing pad is

[lean garden]

As mentioned, you should really play the game further if youre being serious.

But what made you think that

[barren jasper]

get out of the lore and spoiler channels until you actually play through the story or have a lore question about a specific mission

[brittle siren]

I mean the whole “god” title thing is kinda subjective anyway. There are tons of gods in different mythologies, so calling Wally as one isn’t that wild — he can do stuff most regular people can’t, and easy too (like Albrecht need device to do it, while Wally could just yapping and he already in the past or future)

(yapping part is a joke, because he literally teleport us back to Zariman)

[nocturne valve]

Do warframes eat? Except for Grendel

[proper barn]

No if they do it's probably something the helmith does for it.

The helmith takes care od the biological aspects of things in our ship. I.E. upkeep of the warframes including maintaining them which probably includes giving them some kind or nutrients or something. It's why our warframes aren't covered in blood and bullet holes all the time or have chunks out of them cuz the helmith in the base upkeeps them for us. @nocturne valve

[nocturne valve]

Ohh. Makes sense. The things we feed it and also repurposing warframe's we feed it

[high bay]

Am I making the incorrect interpretation when I say that, for the average person, Warframe’s setting tends to be a bit bleak?

Like an average human living either in a relay or on a planetary colony

[restive river]

That one rhino:

[restive river]

You’d be correct, it’s pretty bleak

Between the Grineer and Corpus alone
Then you have the infested as a constant possible threat
Then Narmer happened

[proper barn]

To be fair I don't think he could eat just rip and tear. Like Voruna has a mouth kinda but she's not gonna "eat" something.

[proper barn]

Cetus is pretty chill.

Relays are also chill.

[high bay]

The way I was thinking, Relays would kinda be like hive cities but in space?

The relays are pretty big

So there’s probably sectors that the Tenno don’t visit that are filled with some of the more lucky people in the system, who’ve also never seen a Warframe with their own eyes

[restive river]

Her wolf heads ate Tuvul

That Rhino was just ripping and tearing though yeah

[proper barn]

I would say Way nicer. Like the lotus and the tenno are upkeeping it/ are the security for it. Like there aren't hive city gangs or something.

[woven coyote]

Looks at red veil

[proper barn]

Not a gang

[high bay]

Am I doomer spooling when I say that, for the average person in the Warframe setting, the Tenno are a pantheon of omnicidal death machines that just so happened to be pointed at the Grineer, Corpus, and Infested?

[woven coyote]

They sure act like it half the time lol

[proper barn]

Also there's no active warning

In relays.

[proper barn]

Okay now this is just more of a like "what we are supposed to be doing' like vibe. But the tenno in the old war and now are more guardians and protectors than like active warmakers.

If that makes sense? Like all our actions are trying to deal with a problem not like furthering a war.

Like in Fortuna and cetus we actively protect the people in both.

Now for the greater system it's more abstract.

[woven coyote]

When you take murder hobo players out of the lore equation things start sounding a lot more reasonable

[proper barn]

But I like the thinking thats it's more hopeful that the Tenno have craved out all these safe places like relay and cetus and even deep in coprus territory Fortuna is a beacon of hope.

[restive river]

Well the Tenno are saviors for the civilians and we don’t kill without reason
So

[proper barn]

Also yeah.

We gotta do way more vibe checking lmao.

[restive river]

Like
We continue to stop Scaldra to help civilians lol

[proper barn]

Anyway I'm keeping this thinking.

[high bay]

If I may clarify my point, the pantheon part, the implication was that the Tenno are tantamount to deities who the average person doesn’t see, but they feel the effect of how the Tenno keep the Grineer and Corpus and Infested busy so the average person on a planetary colony can keep doing whatever they were doing

[proper barn]

The relays and cetus and fortuna are a big thing.

[restive river]

Civilians would view us as on their side
Cause
We are

[proper barn]

I wish we saw like Civilians starting to live back in the Zariman that would be cool.

[restive river]

I’m sure some moron out in some outer colony spouts on about how the tenno are evil lol

[proper barn]

THAT WOULD BE SO COOL. We have EMPTY COLONY SHIP

[woven coyote]

Nora aside i doubt the average civilian has any inkling that the tenno are behind a grineer galeon suddenly not shooting their transport down

[proper barn]

WHY NOT USE SOME OF THE ROOMS for normal people?

[restive river]

VINNY
GO CHECK GENERAL LORE IN THE ARCHIVES SERVER

[proper barn]

WAIT REALLY

[restive river]

SPACE MALL

[proper barn]

HEHEHEHEHEHEH

[high bay]

I feel like I’m not communicating my point effectively enough. The civilians know we’re on their side, that we’re protecting them, but I highly doubt that John Doe and Jane Doe have ever seen a Warframe with their own eyes; the Tenno are a group of protectors that are keeping the Grineer, Corpus, and Infested busy and away from the colonist’s homes, but aren’t given a similar notion of humanity that John and Jane Doe’s next door neighbor has

Hence the pantheon part, alluding to the notion that the Warframe’s are tantamount to deities

[dire mountain]

And i don't think they would want to see a warframe either

Our presence alone draws unwanted attention

[high bay]

I swear to the void I must’ve damaged something in my head while I was sleeping last night why can’t I communicate my point effectively

This is entirely a skill issue on my end

[restive river]

Ghouls comic:

[dire mountain]

I still need issue 2 I fear

I have the other 4

[restive river]

Wait they made the other comics as physical copies too? :O

[dire mountain]

No i mean of the ghouls line

There were 5 issues

[restive river]

Yeah
They made those physically?

[dire mountain]

Yeah

Throwback

[restive river]

We got the lil spaceman in-game now at least…

[proper barn]

i was about to say.

[stray gale]

so why does the profit taker talk like that, anyway

why does it talk at all

"ok, so we've created this big spider orb mech to protect our labs with big weapons and indestructible shields. let's make it so it constantly says creepy lines about dollies" - nef anyo, presumably

[stiff fable]

It was built with Sentient technology

[stray gale]

most sentients still don't speak

the eidolons in cetus don't say anything, even

[stiff fable]

The eidolons aren't Sentients anymore though

They're basically tech zombies, without any guiding intelligence, endlessly trying to reform

Meanwhile the Orb Mothers are proper Corpus proxies, they have programmed personalities etc

But they get weird because they have Sentient tech built into them

[stray gale]

it's kind of the only such instance, though, which doesn't make it seem like 'they're sentients' is a good explanation

most sentients don't talk, like all the random sentient enemies you fight

[stiff fable]

The random sentient enemies are tiny fragments of Sentients

Do you expect skin cells to talk?

[stray gale]

and the sentients that do talk (erra, natah, hunhow, etc) are intelligible and not particularly insane

[stiff fable]

They're like the Murmur in that way

[stray gale]

I don't expect skin cells to go walking around on their own and start picking fights, so

[stiff fable]

But that's a power that the Sentients have

Basically every Sentient you fight before New War is a little piece of Hunhow

[stray gale]

that doesn't seem relevant

[stiff fable]

but yeah that's the explanation for why the Orbs are so weird, the Corpus built them with Sentient technology

[dapper bloom]

the reason thr obs speak on the vallis is to instill fear on the solaris

or anyone within earshot really

[wary anchor]

I will probably not be the first to come up with this idea, but would it be too far fetched to say Cy's mission that lead to the 'apparent death' of his crew, was piloting the vessel into the void to place all necessary chess pieces onto what is essentially a giant paradoxical chess board

Also would explain why Cy does not understand the finger inside of the Reliquary Drive on the Railjack, as Cy will become one that simultaneously returns/uses the finger in the Reliquary Drive

Meaning Cy never went off command, he was simply just given a command that would lead to the crew's safety (assumedly including Drifter/Tenno/Albrecht/, affected by the void to make the crew)

By this logic, man was told to sail into the Void which would lead to the crew's death, but in actuality would see to it that everyone can come to be by doing so

[tall echo]

Cy doesn't "understand" the finger because cephalons can't percieve pure void

[tall echo]

?????

[tall echo]

You probably are the first to come up with that idea because what in the are you even trying to say

[wary anchor]

Eternalism is the genuine TL DR

[glacial bough]

We can reasonably say that's an unlikely theory

[tall echo]

Eternalism explains nothing

[wary anchor]

So Wally's finger is in the RD

[glacial bough]

Yesn't

[wary anchor]

The end goal assumedly is to return the finger to Wally, love and all that

[glacial bough]

No

[tall echo]

No

[glacial bough]

Wally getting his proper finger back is the bad end for everything

[tall echo]

The drive is a copy of the finger, it's used to make the rj travel through the void

[wary anchor]

Oh so return the finger and you just made yourself a paradox

[glacial bough]

No, nothing happens

[graceful swan]

Wally missing the finger means he’s confined to the Strands of Khra I wonder what damage that finger retuning would bring

[prisma sundial]

It would be the true end state of Wally being complete, probably the death/end of existence for everything

[tall echo]

Well either way he still couldn't leave the void on his own

Probably

[graceful swan]

That man trapped in the Wall

[tall echo]

So if we just throw the original fingerbones in the void and don't open giant portals ever again we'd probably be fine

[prisma sundial]

He probably got a way if he's so desperate for his fingies back

[graceful swan]

Where do you even hide a finger from a man who can travel around the Void and can read minds

[prisma sundial]

Albrecht opened a door that can theoretically no longer be closed so to speak

[tall echo]

Outside the void and anyone's knowledge

[tall echo]

?

[graceful swan]

He had Eurelia close the door

He even wrote close it in blood

[prisma sundial]

Albrecht Entrati was the first person to meet Wally by opening up to the Void

[tall echo]

Ok

Might've been wally's creator too

[graceful swan]

Albrecht emotions

[prisma sundial]

Wally is implied to have always existed, he's like the Cthulu of the Void

[wary anchor]

The beginning and the end

[graceful swan]

He’s implied to be both

[prisma sundial]

Both Cthulu and the Void?

[graceful swan]

No

“The fist scholar looked into the Void and he feared it and his fear took shape that’s how all this started”

[tall echo]

Wally is implied to have been created by albrecht's fear

[graceful swan]

The Man In The Wall' is identical with the entity known to us as 'The Indifference'.

Albrecht Entrati is ultimately responsible for attracting its attention to the Origin System.

Albrecht Entrati may be ultimately responsible for its existence.

[prisma sundial]

Ahhh I see

[graceful swan]

DE keep hinting more and more it was Albrecht

[smoky solstice]

guys guys guys

that was a sentient

the new enemy they just showed off, that was a goddamn sentient

the update for which they're announcing at PAX. Megan also says they'll announce the next major update in PAX

the Tau dream is becoming more and more likely by the second

[dire mountain]

Nuh uh

[smoky solstice]

actually wait, is that a murmur thing? idk actually

[smoky solstice]

oh, I ddin't see the name...

but wait, what does this mean, duviri expansion???

it really needs it tbh

wait, some sort of conflict against wally in duviri? that could work lore wise, and it sounds pretty epic

but it's also a flying enemy, how would that work in duviri?

perhaps it's a one shot with sirocco type of dude

[past halo]

Sooo what's gonna cause Vay Hek's ghouls to go on a rampage

[rapid kindle]

wonder if we're bringing warframes to duviri

[graceful swan]

Do you mean the reason Warframes are in Duviri?

[past halo]

They already can be (for a time)

[woven coyote]

Ghouls plus vay hek screaming about traitors reminds me of dr tengus

[graceful swan]

Reminds me of Salad

[woven coyote]

But its probably more of a joke event like dog days

[woven coyote]

Why?

[graceful swan]

Betrayers

[placid cypress]

Think about it, the murmur are from the void. Duviri (is literally a manifestation due to the drifters emotions) and it resides within the void... Tau IS the void, or at least in a sense of being a layered universe on top of our own, a prime example of this is the cambion drift and albrechts labs - they are conjoined thru a void portal seen behind space mom from Mars to an alternate/inverse plane of the void(wallys dust and albys labs) this is a big waffle but Tau is here, just same place different reality. The void poses as a gateway between these universes and keeps both(or more) sides apart. But due to Albrecht messing w the void and the deal with the op/drifter the void has been shaken - hence the murmur able to slip through and make their way through the void and mutating.
Basically what I'm saying overall is that Tau is an alternate version of the origin system and the void provides a door to get there. Wally IS albrect from the alternate universe where he conquered the void and is trying to hunt down the only 3 people that can stop him, OP, Drifter and Albrecht. The orokin probs have something to do with Tau as well just because they're allat.
Anyway it was a lot of waffle but that's my thoughts.
Disclaimer - I kinda forgot some parts of the lore as I take breaks so this could be complete waffle but yeah.

TLDR: wally = alternate albrecht from tau who conquered the void and is on his way through the void to kill us

[graceful swan]

Tau isnt another Universe just another star system

[placid cypress]

But with the tech we have rn couldn't we hyperdrive there rn within minutes

[graceful swan]

No

[placid cypress]

Explain pls (I'm intrigued)

[graceful swan]

We tried that look how it went

Zariman incident

[dire mountain]

We have a railjack with a finger drive but without any lanthorns marking where to go we would get lost

[placid cypress]

Ah teu

[dire mountain]

Also zariman yeah

[placid cypress]

Can't we slingshot around the sun?

[graceful swan]

Tau is further away than the Sun

[dire mountain]

And if we used the zariman in its current state, it would break the albrecht membrane and void storms would be everywhere

[placid cypress]

Tau is named after a subnuclear particle (Fermion(lepton)) does this mean anything?

[dire mountain]

Not that we know of

[graceful swan]

We don't know why they named it Tau

[placid cypress]

The only reason I thought of alternates is cause Tau has a neutrino which is an antiparticle

So even after everything we still know X all about the void?

[graceful swan]

We don't know what Tau has

[proper barn]

blue sun

That's all we know.

[dire mountain]

No we have learned a lot about the void

We don't know much about tau

[placid cypress]

I'd imagine it would contain a certain void entity just to F w us

[graceful swan]

Tau isn't in the Void otherwise the Sentients wouldn't continue living there

[placid cypress]

Wait

Sentients are from tau

[graceful swan]

They went to Tau

[placid cypress]

Shiiii i forgot about that

[graceful swan]

Wally is from the Void

The Void is it’s own dimension

[placid cypress]

Imma do some research

But before I do, where do DE mainly pull their lore from?

As in, inspirations?

[graceful swan]

Eh all over

[woven coyote]

Cobling your own lore from inspirations wont really bring you closer

[proper barn]

that was why they where made by the orokin to go to tau. It's also what the zariman was for.

[woven coyote]

But yeah we do know for a fact tau is a different star system not the void

[strange turtle]

It’s called Tau because of the irl system Tau Ceti, which is close to Sol with a Type G star (same as our sun) and a common first/early colonisation area in sci-fi

[placid cypress]

Ship debris glittered like a night snow. The alien blue star was dark and blinding beyond us. The countless articulating worm-ships of our enemy, ringed in glowing discs, undulating and heat-bursting the surviving soldiers like me.

This is from mag primes codex

Worm ships with ringed discs?

[dire mountain]

Murex

[proper barn]

yeah Murex but even then

they don't have to look exactly like the Senteints we know now

cuz they might not even be related to hunhow and are related to some other big sentient or many sentient minds.

[placid cypress]

But orowyrms

Don't they fit desc too

[woven coyote]

No

Because they arent ships

Also when the worm ship description was written duviri wasnt even a concept

Its like old

Older than second dream launch

[placid cypress]

Ah

Fair enough

[lean oak]

Do we know what exactly the treatment of tagfer, bird 3, and fibo turned them into. I remember it said they "alchemized" with void and anti void. Are there any beings like them or are they a new being. The void touched on the zariman seem more akin to ghosts and the tenno don't seem to be made up of any kind of anti void. So new beings or is there a precedent for this species?

[humble sierra]

It's heavily implied by Loid that Kalymos went through a similar process.

[proper barn]

She hasn't talked though (yet).

[stiff fable]

That's different, the Cavia could talk before Loid started trying to fix them

[cunning tapir]

If Kalymos can talk, she's hiding it for some reason.

[sly ibex]

Being smart about it, if she can.

[cunning tapir]

yeah, if you think about it, pretending she can't talk has it's advantages, let's people lower their guard around her thinking she's a simple animal but really she's an intelligent genius animal.

[dire mountain]

She doesn't want to pay rent

[proper barn]

she is the one that has helped us the most

which is funny.

[strange turtle]

Kalymos alone with one of the Hex

“Wh###”

“…”

“Nobody will believe you” curls back to sleep

[mystic peak]

So this is lore discussion?

[proper barn]

Yes

Do you have lores to discuss or questions to ask?

[mystic peak]

Any chance of a handy website, fan or official, that has the lore in easy to understand snippets, but not a wiki?

[strange plinth]

orokinarchives

[proper barn]

Warframe has always had gay and trans characters even back in plains of eidolon and fortuna? is that your question? gara and the unum where in a relationship.

Oh yeah Orokin archives has lore stuff.

[mystic peak]

Did I ask about LGBTQ+ representation? Did I ask earlier? I'm tired and I don't remember all the servers I've been on today

All the*

[proper barn]

no

lmao i just wanted to tell you lmao.

do you care about stuff like that? i can get the others.

i like them but sHrug.

[abstract ridge]

Have they ever explained how the arsenal works lore wise? What kinds of space magic f***ery is that supposed to be

[proper barn]

some people don't care as much as i do.

[proper barn]

it stores all your weapons.

[abstract ridge]

Yeah, but how?? Where do they go

[proper barn]

how? it just does we actually have better Foundry lore than Arsenl.

The foundry has special stuff for infested flesh it's why we can copy warframes.

[strange plinth]

"space magic f***ery" is accurate yeah
i think there was something about a storage "room" linked to it at some point? don't remember if that was canon tho

[proper barn]

the one in the new base moves like it activates

so maybe?

[mystic peak]

As someone who aspires to be a writer, representing REAL people in my writing is paramount. Stereotypes just make boring stories.

[proper barn]

i agree.

i think all of DE's reps are very complex and real characters.

or do you think Ticker isn't a good character? i love Ticker she's great.

[mystic peak]

Ticker is phenomenal.

[proper barn]

Ticker is a trans woman.

[mystic peak]

She's like that one Aunt that would knock out a lumberjack for looking at you wrong.

[proper barn]

yeah. she's great.

But this made me think we have 2 relationships in Warframe that are a warframe(proto counts) and a object and they are both gay relationships.

[mystic peak]

Gara and Flare/Temple?

[proper barn]

Gara and unum and flare and Lizzie yes.

[mystic peak]

Well, I'm going on 26 hours no sleep. I'll hop on again later. Thanks for the info, and the directions to Orokin Archive! Clem!

[proper barn]

@mystic peak Funny

[sly ibex]

Gara was friends with the Unum, but not lovers. "it was Gara who gave herself to protect her friend," is how it is worded. Extremely close friends, but friends nonetheless.

[graceful swan]

If they showed you where they all went there would be too many models so don't

[sly ibex]

I wouldn't be surprised if the Arsenal area in general stores things in Void pockets. One for each kind of thing from Warframes, weapons, mods, etc...

[graceful swan]

The Sentient was a deformed creature, twisted and massive, sent from some dark fold of distant space, a warped thing wounded by daylight. By night it was a terror, felling Tower after Tower. Citadel after Citadel. By day it hid, blinded and pained. It was during the day that Gara roamed, yearning to strike it from creation while it cowered, weakened and blind, to safeguard her beloved Unum. But never could Gara find it.

[sly ibex]

Like individual Bags of Holding being used for different things, or something

[sly ibex]

That doesn't mean romantic relationship, exclusively. Friends can be beloved, and I don't think that's even uncommon. Using that wording for it may be for folks nowadays, but historically I think it was pretty normal.

[abstract ridge]

I do not need them to show me, just an explanation, even if "space pocket dimension", would be good with me

[sly ibex]

And it explicitly says "her friend," anyway.

[sly ibex]

That's my understanding of it. Many Bags of Holding! XD

[placid cypress]

Tau is described as having an "alien blue star" and it being "dark" but also bright... what if its a black hole, the accretion discs of black holes are generally the orange/yellow colour everyone knows but if it would be dense enough then a blue hue could occur? What are your thoughts?

The alien aspect of it could be due to the fact that no known black holes exist near the origin system and are therefore unheard of

[sly ibex]

If it was a black hole, there would be no heat provided to the planets around it. The Orokin wouldn't choose an absolutely unlivable system to go to. Terraforming would be pointless there, as no life would be able to live there.

[placid cypress]

Black holes release hawking radiation tho which in a sense is heat

The orokin being who they are could probably manipulate it and turn it into safe renewable energy

Energy could also just be drawn from the void and changed into artificial heat?

[sly ibex]

The Orokin already had access to unlimited energy, but still chose to try to go to Tau basically just to sap and destroy the place like they did to the Sol system.

[placid cypress]

Why does Albrecht even want to go there again?

Js remembered he existed XD

[sly ibex]

That hasn't been explained, but the Orokin in general just wanted a fresh new place to use for their selfishness.

[placid cypress]

Ah fair enough

I love this game

[graceful swan]

Probably to get away from Wally

They're basically playing a game of cat and mouse

[placid cypress]

Yeah true

Wait

If my theory is true about the Tau Black hole then could wally theoretically get trapped in it??

[graceful swan]

No

Wally would just fly through it ignoring it

He's not bound by human logic

[placid cypress]

Oh yh

Watch the reason we end up killing him is being the power of emotion or sth

We need Rell

[graceful swan]

Rell wouldn't solve anything he's Alexithymic

[sly ibex]

I'm honestly not liking the angle they have been going with "he wants to destroy bonds and make everyone apathetic or dead." It just feels kind of lame to me, if that really does end up as his motivation.

I want something more complex and interesting than that.

[abstract ridge]

My fever dream theory for Wally's motivation was that since he's based on da Vinci's vitruvian man (a depiction of the perfect man), Wally's desire for ruin is based on that everything else is imperfect

[graceful swan]

That's not all he wants

Don't forget: We had a deal the deal was shook and from the deal the wee child ran, yet still we end as we began

[sly ibex]

True. I can't wait to find out what was actually stipulated in the deal lol

[abstract ridge]

I really hope it's some big 5D chess with multiverse time travel deal that makes me physically stop in place irl

[graceful swan]

I hope the deal isn't just he takes our life

[sly ibex]

If it's related to what was said in The New War, it has something to do with letting him borrow "my light." What all that entails, though... I guess we will see.

[hybrid silo]

Did the operator help deliver Jade and stalker's baby?

[graceful swan]

Yes

[hybrid silo]

That's one hell of a scene

[placid cypress]

Didn't Wally make a deal with parvos

[graceful swan]

No

At least nothing suggesting it

Granum Void wasn’t made by a deal with Wally

Wally just sorta lets Parvos do his own thing

Somehow Parvos can speak Voidtounge though

[placid cypress]

Yeah I was just reading that

During Dante's leverian I'm sure

What if parvos had a voice in his head to create the corpus ans it was wally

[graceful swan]

Well there is the song that said the devil in his eye but I don't think that's actually related to it

[placid cypress]

You have been playing for over an hour. Please don't forget to take a break. (x6)

[tall echo]

Wally made that form to make fun of the name "man in the wall"

[graceful swan]

You haven't been playing for over an hour, please don't forget to play again

[sly ibex]

Wouldn't that predate Albrecht going into the Void?

Oh wait, no.

[restive river]

At most I can see Wally manipulating Parvos
But not really for the creation of the Corpus

[sly ibex]

I think it's more of another instance of Conceptual Embodiment. Granum Void is Parvos' embodiment like Duviri is Drifter's, isn't it?

[restive river]

I do wonder if Wally ever invaded Parvos’ void pocket

[sly ibex]

Yeah, who knows what all those centuries or millenia in the Void did to his head.

[restive river]

That’s what I theorize it to be too
Since he has full control and seemingly manifested a board room there that one time

Also he (somehow) observed the Origin System from his void

It feels like he had control of it but could not leave it, maybe because a tenno had a hand in creating it? Cause. Protea
Though I don’t think we know if that was a tenno or a gen1 frame

[sly ibex]

Maybe that's what kept him sane, come to think of it.

[restive river]

Idk, I’d go insane if I had to watch Nef Anyo for all that time
But yeah maybe!

[graceful swan]

Isn't it implied he can leave it but doesn't

[sly ibex]

Fortunately, Nef would only have been on the tail end of all that time lol

[restive river]

Parvos strikes me as someone who is arguably already insane in his own special way

[restive river]

Lmao truue
Though he would have to sit and watch the Corpus be twisted into something else since he wasn’t there

[restive river]

Is it? :o
it’s been a while

[sly ibex]

The rot had already started when he was there, though. That was the cause of the assassination attempt, wasn't it?

No, he couldn't leave. That's why he needed us there to revitalize the Protea Specter.

[restive river]

I think so

[graceful swan]

At the end of the quest it seemed like he gained control and just chooses to stay controlling from the background

[restive river]

Which does make me think his Protea was maybe tenno-controlled?
I wonder how that worked
Did he just need a frame there so his specter could be revitalized or did he need a tenno operating a frame?

[restive river]

That’s afterward yes
He def has control and can come and go as he wishes

[sly ibex]

He is back in real space now, but can still go into his pocket Void, I think.

[restive river]

Heck he manifests a board room :p

https://youtu.be/QW7PDI4l-QE?si=kbtlh8zfe3PfI8A_

[sly ibex]

He said that the Specter scanning our Warframe was sort of revitalizing the Specter. Something like that.

[graceful swan]

I might go into Duviri and manifest an actual dragon to have a dragon to fight Dragons

[restive river]

Ah, so probably more so needed the frame itself

[restive river]

Go in with Chroma too so you can dragon the dragon while you fight the dragon

Then drag-on the fight for a while

[graceful swan]

An army of Chomas riding a Dragon

[restive river]

We could finally see a Chroma rework this year

[sly ibex]

Name a load out Razer Chroma.

[restive river]

LOL

[graceful swan]

We should CE a Chroma rework

Everyone always asking for reworks but never using CE

[placid cypress]

Chroma Heirloom is just RGB lights all over

[storm hearth]

CE is wild

[keen latch]

What would be cool is having a new 1999 like zone or storyline where we either travel to or flashback to the Tenno rebellion. I want to burn down Orokin tortureplexes and hunt down the bloated nobility. I think it'll be fun and cool as a lore nerd.

That said somethings in a setting are best left as background to ponder. But I also want to kick-flip my K-drive across some Orokin slave-masters face.

If it's a flash back we won't get the utility of drifter-operator modes. But still, would be cool. I really want to see what other weapon systems the Orokin had that they had to abandon due to sentient control.

We can even do a ghoul-purge event but the percentage bar is the percentage of Orokin left remaining in the orokin system.

We could get floofs as milestone rewards.

[proper barn]

They don't say friend they say companion and beloved.

[proper barn]

I think the most we migh get at some point (i hope) is a night of naga drums flashback.

[placid cypress]

What would be cool is a flashback of the original archon war with sentients vs orokin - could provide new info about Tau (which I still believe has a Black hole at the middle of it)

[restive river]

So
The old war?

[placid cypress]

yeh

my brain is just slow

anyway, Mara is thought to be demon yeah?

(in voidtongue)

"VOULL NE XATA VOK, MARA LOHK?"

"VOULL NE truth VOK, (demon?) void"

could VOULL be similar/related to to this guy -->

[strange plinth]

seems more likely to be child rather than demon

[placid cypress]

ooh maybe

void child / void demon referring to the drifter/op?

lizzie calls us a demon

[stiff fable]

She's quoting the Helminth but yeah

[woven coyote]

I dont think void tongue would be based on the perception infested have of us

[restive river]

Some think it’s demon
But
It’s probably child :p

[restive river]

let alone Ballas’ perception of us

The Cavia call us Mara Lohk
Why would they call us demon?

Also Void Child is more accurate
Demon just. Isn’t

[woven coyote]

To the infested: demon
To ballas: devil
To wally: kiddo

Only one of these really uses void tongue

[placid cypress]

What if VOULL is a combination of Vome and Oull, Oull is a placeholder and can take the place of ALL/ANY of the other requiem mods, so what if VOULLL translates to "All-Order" or something similar?

[restive river]

It’s unknown what Oull actually means

I know some people have been trying to decipher void tongue since we got actual translations iirc

[placid cypress]

i find it really intriguing

[restive river]

It is!

[stiff fable]

watch it be something completely different like "target"

[placid cypress]

NE is most likely a connective word like "is" or "and"

[restive river]

I can send you a DM of everything currently known

[placid cypress]

yeah please, that would be helpful (im really into this X D)

[proper barn]

we don't know but even the Cavia say "mara lohk" sometimes at the end of missions so like

SHRUG maybe?

if we knew more of it we would have better translations of the cavia talking it.

[proper barn]

I don't like that as much just cuz i like it as a old lore thing we always hear about. I like that more than ever actually interacting with it.

[placid cypress]

"VOULL (Is The?) Truth VOK, Child of The Void"

[proper barn]

I do like flashbacks

we get a few but I don't think we should ever actually go back.

[placid cypress]

yeah fair

[proper barn]

the biggest flashback i want is Night of naga drums.

[placid cypress]

if anything it would be like what we did with arthur, veso and kahls original missions

[placid cypress]

which is that about again

[proper barn]

when the orokin goverment where all killed by the tenno.

[placid cypress]

ahhhh

now That would be really cool

Oull can be every/any requiem at once, what if it (or Voull) means Eternalism?

thats like one of the farthest streches ive ever done but oh well

[stiff fable]

I figure Oull just means infinity

[placid cypress]

I wish i had a fellow Warframe enthusiast to theorize with Irl about things, sadly the one guy that played with me q couple years back dropped the game (his loss)

[placid cypress]

yeah could be

I think its definetly related to the concept of Eternity/Infinity/Everything/Anything

[placid cypress]

Could oull also mean "Mimic"? its corresponding requiem mod literally mimics any other mod and Wally mimics our appearence too. its a strech

"VOULL NE XATA VOK, MARA LOHK?"

"VOULL is the truth now, void child?"

[hexed oxide]

why does the man in the wall appear at the end of the new war ?

[placid cypress]

Not entirely sure to be honest

its up to interpritation

[hexed oxide]

made me think that maybe if we knew why he decided to appear then it'd be easier knowing the translation

[placid cypress]

could be to mess with us, could be to try and exploit space mom at her weakest point, could be to challenge the operator/drifter

[hexed oxide]

pretty sure he was indifferent to ballas dying at least

[placid cypress]

lmao yeah

"The Indifference" at its finest

He was asking a question though, so it could potentially be a taunt to us, maybe a question to us like "Do you see the truth now void child?" referring to his true form from back when they made a deal. he may have even been asking the lotus about us/op

Voidtongue is so intriguing, even if DE may not have even given words translations its so compelling to try and translate

[woven coyote]

Huge convenient portal

He's the indifference, not "i will totally pass by this convenient chance"ence

[dire mountain]

It would be so awesome but thats something I don't think we will ever see

Especially since they're not opposed to adding more details to it as we saw with Temple

[stiff fable]

Ballas trying to jump to Tau broke down a little more of the Wall of Lohk, letting Wally send a bigger avatar through

[restive river]

It got Wally’s attention iirc

[hexed oxide]

that's the how, not the why

still wanted to know that lol

[restive river]

In a deranged attempt to transport himself and his cult to Tau, Ballas opened portals between the Void and conventional reality on an unprecedented scale.

This has attracted the attention of THE INDIFFERENCE, whose freedom of action appears to have drastically increased.

The threat posed by THE INDIFFERENCE is now at a critical level.

The Laboratories have come under fresh assault from the Murmur. Unless the Sleeper is awoken, Albrecht Entrati's legacy will perish.

[stiff fable]

Oh, yeah, Wally's ALWAYS been trying to break through

But Ballas opened a big door and turned on a lighthouse

Wally only didn't come in because Lotus slammed the door shut

But the light'd already got Wally to where he wanted to go

[restive river]

Thanks Mom

[hexed oxide]

how long did it take for the new war to happen ? (i mean years of development)

[restive river]

Unknown

[stiff fable]

You mean how long did DE take to develop it?

[hexed oxide]

yes

[restive river]

Oh

[stiff fable]

I think it's something like two years of active development

There's a three and a half year gap between The Sacrifice and The New War

They always had people working on it but most of DE's development energy was on Railjack for the first year

[restive river]

And then Duviri somewhat

[stiff fable]

They cut that trailer without knowing what Duviri was going to be lmao

[woven coyote]

also covid had some impact on the dev time

[sly ibex]

That was the direct quote that I put in, where it says "protect her friend."

[proper barn]

I looked at the

Transcripts the other day

They say beloved and companion a lot.

But I can always be wrong and I will check.

[sly ibex]

Yes, but the part about the sacrifice explicitly says "to protect her friend."

That was from one of the quotes that I had put above in quotations.

[proper barn]

They where roomates and gal pals idk that feels werid in context.

Fair. I wanna check again.

[sly ibex]

The idea of a teenage child being in a romantic relationship with a living building is weirder, in my opinion. XD

[proper barn]

I was assuming that like

The gara was more Sentient or something like that.

Also we don't know the age of the unum either.

We don't know much about the unum still.

[sly ibex]

That was during the Sentient war, so I don't think it was a sentient frame.

[lean garden]

Conclusion is about there, reasoning a lil off

[proper barn]

Fair.

I wanna know more about the unum still.

[lean garden]

Likelihood of sentient frame is low, not because its the Old War, but because the Lotus is present.

Warframes, starting from without tenno were made in response to the Sentients

[sly ibex]

True. The first ones were "unmanned."

[reef sandal]

WHO IS SHE WHO is the SHE in reference? Flare ? Kaya? Eleanor?

[sly ibex]

But yeah, Lotus wouldn't have been commanding Gara if there was no Tenno. She didn't command Jade or Stalker, after all.

[dire mountain]

Rusalka??

[reef sandal]

Who?

[dire mountain]

You know, the whole reason they're there

[dire mountain]

Major Neci Rusalka?

[reef sandal]

oh that scaldra weirdo

[sly ibex]

None of the above. Rusalka.

[reef sandal]

I forgot about her its been so long

[sly ibex]

[reef sandal]

i finally get to date eleanor what do i do now

i asked her to date and she accepted so

[proper barn]

Their daughter

[reef sandal]

Can i kill their daughter?

and Saryn

and then marry Frost?

[proper barn]

Talk to her more you get unique conversations. Also she will move into your backrooms at loved which is after best friends.

[reef sandal]

im at close

[dire mountain]

???

[reef sandal]

I wanna kill her so i can have an excuse to kill saryn then marry frost yk

cause Velimi > Eleanor

[dire mountain]

Peculiar

[proper barn]

You can't do that. The good ending for them is to be together.

[glacial bough]

That's certainly a...choice

[sly ibex]

Velimir would not get with the person who killed the love of his life. I am quite certain of that.

[reef sandal]

best response yall know im joking right?

[proper barn]

Oh yes.

Still slightly horrified but because you like velamir.

[lean garden]

mhmm, to note: Lotus is in response to the tenno, because she gets sent after ballas tells hunhow about the tenno

[proper barn]

Yee lmao.

@reef sandal if you can joke we can joke.

[reef sandal]

I thought u were serious

[reef sandal]

Nah it’s just cause he’s frost if I had to chose a guy out of all the protoframes it would be him

[proper barn]

Not really. Like even if it's a joke I don't love I'm not gonna dislike you for one joke i didn't like especially this low stakes.

Wait why did you delete that other message?

[reef sandal]

Why what’s wrong with him

[reef sandal]

Delete what? I didn’t delete anything

[proper barn]

Oh wait my discord bugged out lmao.

[proper barn]

Nothing?

[reef sandal]

If he wasn’t married ofc yk I don’t condone cheating

[proper barn]

I mean

There would be ways it wouldn't be cheating.

Polyarmouy exists in warframe.

[reef sandal]

If it was both of them 😳

[proper barn]

Dagath shows this

[reef sandal]

Oh also that

[proper barn]

She was in a relationship with 2 orokin they just happen to be evil.

[reef sandal]

Wdym I don’t know anything about dagath

[reef sandal]

I thought she was the servant or smth

[proper barn]

Dagath is in a relationship with a Orokin couple in her lore. She was a bodyguard but became their 3rd.

[glacial bough]

I mean, yes but not in a codified manner

[proper barn]

We in the real word

Don't have it in a codified manner.

[proper barn]

If you have a dojo you can go listen to the story now.

[tall echo]

*was in a relationship

[reef sandal]

I already did I just don’t remember it

[proper barn]

Oh sure.

Was.

[proper barn]

Well what about the not woman or man proto? The David Bowie proto Flare.

[reef sandal]

Flare ain’t my type

Flare has crackhead energy and I don’t like it

[proper barn]

Also people saying "David Bowie was a man" David Bowie literally like did unique gender and sexuality expression but anyways

https://tenor.com/view/thin-white-duke-young-americans-win-fascination-fame-gif-633535869896129837

[proper barn]

Flare is also in a relationship with Lizzie and she seems to be quiet attached.

[reef sandal]

Also this

Literally insane

[proper barn]

Also it's funny to me

That lizzie goes by she/her canonically.

[reef sandal]

Interesting

[proper barn]

Flare and temple are they/them.

Anyone that gets upset about that I will eat your liver.

I don't think you are upset about that Darklighter you seem cool.

[reef sandal]

I don’t have a problem with that lmao

My opinion on that is as long as people ain’t pushing all this stuff on me idc im friends with everyone no problems with anyone at all unless they make one

I don’t discriminate yk

I think it’s good that they represent the community wanna see it more

[proper barn]

what is pushing it on you?

cuz like from all my lgtb+ friendos they just wanna exist.

[abstract ridge]

Nobody said your friends are, but there are people that do. An unnecessary conversation to dive into, so let us keep to vibing

[restive river]

DE does a good job at normalizing things
Like
They just are, no big show, they just exist
Cause
People just exist

[reef sandal]

Nobody is I mean just like as long as nobody is harassing me of the same gender to date em yk cause I’m straight I have family that isn’t and friends and idc about who u into as long as its not hurting me yk

But also like I have a bad memory and I mess up pronouns sometimes and people get pissed off and it’s like geez it was an accident it wasn’t anything against you

[proper barn]

oh if you mean pursuing you after you said no thanks i agree. anyone can do that though.

[proper barn]

I think if you made a honest mistake they shouldn't get mad BUT sometimes people go through it like over and over and over no matter what they do it keeping happening. then that rage that can come out at just one person even if that person (you) did nothing wrong.

[reef sandal]

So it was a thing that happened a couple times with that person and I was 15 and didn’t understand the whole thing at the time and they were like 22 this was in college but I eventually got it but by then they had spread lies and talked so much smack it had ruined my friendships with some others because they were saying I was a homophobe etc

[proper barn]

oooffff

that just sounds like a terrible person.

i'm sorry about that dude.

[proper barn]

Anyway

Uhhhh LORE

[humble sierra]

Reminds me of Arcane, the show makes it clear that there's many reasons why Cait and Vi's relationship is frowned upon, but the fact they're both women is not one of them.

[placid cypress]

Caliban??

Why does Lizzie/Helminth Love Flare so much in the sense that she wants to keep him?

Is it just the infestation side of her?

[proper barn]

Them

[proper barn]

I mean all warframes are helmith including Flare so she sees flare as itself.

[graceful swan]

sentient not Sentient

[placid cypress]

??

[graceful swan]

Flare isn't a he

[proper barn]

Flare (and temple) are they them As said by the creator of temple before they where even in the game. But also everyone in game calls them that as well.

Xaku also they. DE actually changed how primes come out so they could make more like not-binary Genedered frames.

For frames like Temple.

Also Flare and Temple are based David Bowie and just glam rock in general which is literally going against gender norms as like a theme.

[sly ibex]

Not the kind of sentient I meant with the lower case one. XD

The lower case one was referring to actually having sentience, self-awareness and all, not to refer to the faction of the Sentient.

[placid cypress]

Ah

Then Dante

Dante became a scholar and worked with Loid/Drusus I believe

[proper barn]

Did you

Read the flare/temple then?

[tall echo]

You did not read what minion was replying to initially did you

[placid cypress]

I did

[tall echo]

No one was asking for a list of sentient frames or whatever

[proper barn]

Also they literally are a starman waiting in the sky at the end of their story.

Very funny. (Those are bowie lyrics).

[proper barn]

Ight. Try to remember.

[tall echo]

The only thing I can think of when I read starman is earthbound

[placid cypress]

@tall echo

[placid cypress]

Chill

[tall echo]

Now read a bit further up from there

[sly ibex]

We're already past that conversation lol

[proper barn]

Yeah.

[tall echo]

No hostility intended

[graceful swan]

Isn't Dante dead anyway so the one we build isn't sentient?

[strange plinth]

definite implied death
dunno if confirmed or just disappeared

[placid cypress]

"Thus, Dante gave up, allowing himself to succumb to the Book's influence and take his life. However, the Book and the hellish words within did not allow Dante to die, and instead altered the very fabric of who the Warframe was. Transported to stars unknown, that wrong-tongued Voice now murmurs endlessly within his head, longing to be known, to exist, and to survive."
He didn't die as such, just broken by the void

[strange plinth]

ah.

[placid cypress]

I believe wally tried to use him as a vessel but Dante pulled a Rell and done some crazy stuff with the void to keep Wally away.

That's just my interpretation tho

But yeah the one we build is a replication (unless fragments of the OG still remain)

Also we need a Dante Deluxe skin

[daring crow]

Arent the protos made from those white guys on deimos.

Like a strain thats involved with them

[lean garden]

de nada

vessels made from protoframe samples

protoframe samples mixed with Deimos's grey strain

[daring crow]

Arent the statues what have grey strain?

[graceful swan]

Strains can be mixed and still act perfectly fine

[lean garden]

the vessels are indeed mixed with the grey strain

[daring crow]

Arent they used for beating wally so is it the same for the protos being made to beat wally?

[lean garden]

you've got it quite twisted

[humble sierra]

The Protos don't have the grey strain

[lean garden]

the protoframes came before the vessels

[humble sierra]

Additionally we don't know how the Vessels are meant to defeat Wally

[tall echo]

They are

[graceful swan]

Vessels were made with DNA of the Protos

[tall echo]

Albrecht directly says so

[humble sierra]

I mean we don't know "how"

Because it hasn't happened yet

[tall echo]

Oh

[daring crow]

So Proto THEN Vessel

[tall echo]

I can not read once again

[humble sierra]

Yep!

[daring crow]

Seems kinda annoying its in that order

[lean garden]

?

[tall echo]

Blame it on sleep deprivation

[lean garden]

https://tenor.com/view/bonk-doge-gif-24837098

back to bed

[humble sierra]

Personally I think the Kalymos sequence was to empower the Vessels by making the Protoframes feel loved, which strengthens the Vessels ability to handle Wally's apathy

[tall echo]

That's why I'm here, to get bored enough to fall asleep

[graceful swan]

If you collected the notes and read them you wouldn't be this confused or find it annoying

[tall echo]

It isn't working

[daring crow]

What notes?

[tall echo]

You ever fight the whispers in the sanctum tileset?

[daring crow]

Think so

Like mocking whisper?

[rotund tinsel]

Reading the mail of what you get after helping flare,it makes sense on why a temple Warframe is on stage in the start-up screen

[tall echo]

They drop lore fragments

[graceful swan]

I went among the denizens of the plague year like a saviour, my hands filled with healing. To those who volunteered, I brought more than mere health. Their bodies were primed; it needed only the Helminth infusions, brought from my own time, to work the alchemy of transformation. They have become partial warframes, still in possession of their free will, yet enhanced, Void-attuned, capable.

Their humanity may not last. My deliverance may yet consume them, the human swallowed up in the sacred beast. And if my wayward disciples turn on me, what words of comfort shall I have beyond: this is the bargain we have made. Through our sacrifice, history will be saved.

As their loyal doctor, I have taken repeated samples from them. The sight of their Technocyte-riddled cells mutating gave me fresh visions. I could take this material, work with it, forge new creations. Eagerly I brought the samples back to Deimos and began to cultivate them.

It was Loid who pointed out the singular attributes of the Gray Strain. How it stimulates growth to monstrous dimensions. Many thoughts converged on me then. What if, through precise biochemical engineering, I could create the equivalents of warframes, yet built to a titanic scale? Surely such a legion could stand against the Adversary… assuming, of course, that an Operator could be found.

Not long after, the first of my Vessels took form. A giant to battle giants, merging the humanity of the man Arthur, the anatomical perfection of Ballas' warframes, and the titanic potency of the Gray Strain. My saviours.

[tall echo]

A

[daring crow]

How are the murmer dangerous btw

[rotund tinsel]

Imagine the last quest of 1999 ends up of you walking into the mall to find limp Warframes of where the protoframes are

[daring crow]

Isnt the point of 1999 that that they destory time?

[graceful swan]

No

[daring crow]

Like the reason they had to loop and destory hollvania

[tall echo]

They're pieces of wally, therefore they're as dangerous as wally for the same reasons as wally

[tall echo]

The destruction was not the intended end

[daring crow]

So is there 2 timelines now (not factoring in eternalism)

[tall echo]

No

Events can be rewritten

[rotund tinsel]

The destruction was collateral of sorts

[daring crow]

Didnt entrati leave us with a loop to try to save but he has 1 where his plan happened?

[tall echo]

What

[rotund tinsel]

All I remember that Entrati needed the drifter's heart to grow or something like that

[rotund tinsel]

Executed a million times does alot to your emotions

[tall echo]

1999 is the direct past, no alt timeline shenanigans

[graceful swan]

Drifter got their emotions back before 1999 though

[tall echo]

duviri should've been released before tnw

[rotund tinsel]

Yeah ig they did,I was referring to "your heart would struggle to move them,it had to grow,the same way it always does,around others" or something like that

[graceful swan]

Albrecht's plan there was us just becoming liked by them doubt he even thought about us dating them

[rotund tinsel]

Agreed, would've felt weird for a new player to see a burning forest that obviously takes place during the new war way before said new player can even fight sentients

[graceful swan]

Duviri should've been released alongside New War

[rotund tinsel]

New war should be a requirement to do duviri paradox

[strange plinth]

lore-wise absolutely
sadly its way too useful for getting frames

[graceful swan]

It even makes sense because stories do prequel stuff all the time

[tall echo]

Eh

[tall echo]

Huh

[graceful swan]

It still annoys me that DE never added more frames to Duviri

[tall echo]

The rotations are based on frames with primes so they prob gonna add another every 3 primes

[graceful swan]

There's been more than 3 Primes released since Circuit

We've had in no order
Grendel
Gauss
Wisp
Xaku
Lavos
Sevagoth