lore-discussion

[brittle siren]

so, the F bomb is already there in the scene where Lotus hand take over Drifter hand

[restive river]

Huh

[brittle siren]

The part Lotus hand just falling down and Drifter go near it, you can hear the faint "wtf"

[restive river]

Of yeah

Iirc they get cut off?

[swift sentinel]

Could be anything. Limited only by Entrati and DE's sense of irony.

[brittle siren]

it not cut off properly though, you can still hear the word

[misty bridge]

ok ive reacently come up with a theory, i want opinions

ok so we know theres a select group of frames that can seemingly act without an Operator. Obviusly Umbra is the main example of this but i refer to cutscenes.

For my point i bring in Protea, Sevagoth, Kullervo, and Chroma. All 4 frames are seen acting COMPLETELY on their own, but ive always wondered how they can do it while most others cant... and i think ive got it.

As we know from the "Awakening" quest, aka the very first one when you boot up the game for the first time, the Orokin sent out some kind of energy wave that seemingly shut all warframes down as evedenced by Excalibur, Volt, and Mag dropping HARD to their knees.

But the 4 frames i mentioned would have been IMPOSSIBLE to hit with seid wave. Protea was in the Granum Void, Sevagoth was in the space between Void and Kalohk "the meterial world", Kullervo was in Duviri, and Chroma was in some pergotry like state in the Void. SO they were unable to be shut down.

thoughts?

[old dome]

gundam wing & nge ran so these 2 other medias can run

[old dome]

...that wasnt an emp wave, that was transference being cut bc the tenno were put in cryosleep—awakening takes place during the old war/tenno uprising.

[lean garden]

Gundam wing? Nah fam they already did that in the first gundam

Amuro Ray was a kid piloting the Gundam

[misty bridge]

oooh ok, but that still doesnt explain why some frames can act on there own while most cant

[old dome]

oh,, ive never watched the og timeline gundam thats too confusing

[lean garden]

Eh, its just reaaaally long. Ive personally only ever made it to Z, then skipped to Unicorn, both movie and series

[lean garden]

Some of your example frames cannot be included in your data set at all

[misty bridge]

please explain

[lean garden]

Kullervo is a pre-tenno frame, obviously he'd be able to move without a tenno

The protea we face is a literal spectre (like the thing we can craft in the foundry) of herself

[old dome]

the frames are humans, mutated by the infestation. most of them are basically in a coma while others arent.

umbra was turned into a frame as a punishment. kullervo has always acted on his own. jade literally put her own tenno to sleep just so that child wouldnt get more traumatized piloting her. stalker is the same as umbra (& jade). protea was made specifically for parvos...

theyre not machines. theyre humans. some are just willingly comatose & have a child piloting them bc otherwise theyd be driven to madness, thanks to the infestation.

[lean garden]

The Sevagoth we find in the quest isnt even sevagoth but his shadow running on auto

[misty bridge]

ok but what about Chroma?

[old dome]

yeah hes a mystery

[glacial bough]

The only true autonomous frames we see are Umbra, Stalker, Jade, and Kullervo

a.k.a the original transformed frames

[misty bridge]

that is... deeply depressing

[old dome]

yup.

makes sense considering the inspiration behind the frames are just as depressing (neon evangelion genesis).

[stray gale]

dante?

I suppose we don't see him but he was autonomous in lore

[brittle siren]

Voruna too

maybe Ivara also the same?

Lavos is another

can Ash also a gen 1 warframe too?

@glacial bough

[glacial bough]

No, there's no indication any of those besides Dante is a first gen

And we never see that Dante

Well, maybe Lavos

[azure jasper]

I think part of the reason the frames we pilot aren't autonomous is because we're 3D printing a copy in the Foundry essentially.

Umbra is an odd exception of course, as are the Protoframes, but most frames we pilot probably don't have a consciousness for autonomy.

[feral cape]

They do it's just suppressed by the transference bolt

[restive river]

Voruna had an operator

Most of the leverian frames are left unknown
Dante is the only confirmed one but we don’t see that, just hear about it

[restive river]

They very much so do, Umbra proves that and so does the Drifter
They’re in there still, perfectly replicated, just suppressed so that we may pilot them.
Where do you think idle animations come from?

[humble sierra]

Drusus might not know about Operators, I think he points out how interesting Nezha's protective feelings towards children are— this wouldn't be surprising if you knew that Warframes are piloted by children

[restive river]

Yeah he wasn’t aware of Operators
Like
Nobody was, they were a secret

At most he may suspect something cause of Voruna but he also knew Dante who was before Operators were a thing

[azure jasper]

Wouldn't Loid be aware of Operators though? And he spoke of Dante as if he was an autonomous frame.

[humble sierra]

I think Dante was an autonomous frame

[restive river]

He’s only aware of Operators when Necraloid introduces us to him iirc

Also yeah Dante was autonomous, no operator

[humble sierra]

"This is a Tenno"
"Doesn't it know there's a war going on?"

[restive river]

Bro thought the old war was still happening for a bit

Necraloid does like
Explain what the tenno are too lol

And he’s a copy of him so if he knew that already I’d assume Loid would probably know too
Ofc depending on when the copy was made

Or the construct rather

[humble sierra]

Loid (human): "Please, follow me, ah…."

[The Necraloid turns back in order to introduce the Tenno.]

Loid (Necraloid drone): "This is a Tenno. An orphan of the Void, continuing the struggle our Master abandoned."

[Loid walks away, as the Necraloid flies off to places unknown, and the cutscene ends.]

Loid: "A Tenno? A deserter, presumably? Is it not aware there's a war going on? [pause, sigh] So. The war, too, is just a memory now."

[azure jasper]

I need to replay Whispers in the Walls. One of my favorite small quests, I think.

[humble sierra]

Idk maybe he thinks the Warframe is acting on its own accords, at first?

[restive river]

Probably yeah

Since he was around for Warframes but maybe not the Tenno
Or if he was he wasn’t privy to that info

[humble sierra]

Small? It's lengthwise it's roughly the same as Jade Shadows, and lorewise it's pretty important too

[restive river]

He isn’t an Orokin so that makes sense

[humble sierra]

Though I guess there aren't actually too many short quests in Warframe

[restive river]

Literally one of the biggest quests and the official start of the current arc

[azure jasper]

I mean small in comparison to something like New War.

[restive river]

Most things are small compared to that what lmao

[humble sierra]

Everything is gonna be small in comparison to new war

[restive river]

It’s a 4-6 hour long quest

Heck Duviri is only what, an hour 30 mins?
2 hours at most??

[azure jasper]

I did the...ill advised idea of completing it in one sitting.

[humble sierra]

That's how you're naturally meant to play it tbh

It's broken up into acts but ultimately it's kinda like a movie

[azure jasper]

Thankfully I did it on console, so I at least had a comfy couch.

[humble sierra]

Yep! I can't imagine playing it on PC in one sitting, or at all on mobile

[brittle siren]

yes but isn't she act on her own to save her OP?

[restive river]

No?

She very much so has a second dream moment

[brittle siren]

so basically Tuvul are using that OP as transference body, and at the same time that Tenno is also controlling Voruna?

[strange plinth]

yeah
though continuity, not transference

[restive river]

Tuvul is attempting to take the Operator’s body but fails but yeah

[brittle siren]

but doesn't Tenno need a pod to do that?

[restive river]

No???

Also they were in a pod

[brittle siren]

like our OP need the chair before war within

[brittle siren]

huh ok, that changes stuff

[restive river]

The transference pod helps but we also needs somatics, with the proximity I think they’re fine

[strange plinth]

yeah iirc it describes voruna taking the operator body from the pod

[restive river]

Also like
There was a lot of voidiness happening at the time cause of what Tuvul did

[brittle siren]

all this time I thought Tuvul just scoop the body out

so is Ash act on his own or he also has OP too?

[restive river]

Unknown

[brittle siren]

question, is Fass and Vome by far the biggest infested specie?

[restive river]

I believe so, biggest infested “individuals”

[strange plinth]

next would probably be like
jordas or lephantis
though we don't know anything of eris's surface

[brittle siren]

also they able to shoot laser is just insane, like they could just snipe any ship come near Deimos

[restive river]

They’re too focused on familial hatred

[brittle siren]

though strange that they hate each other

[restive river]

It is

[brittle siren]

like infested usually a hivemind and they always work with each other, or at least like Eleanor case, absorb each other to become whole

[restive river]

They’re a hivemind but they don’t all do the same things

[brittle siren]

but these 2 just shooting laser and just standing there wait the other to risen up

[restive river]

Helminth likes us
But the techrot is mean

It is notable and ofd that fass and vome fight, the game even brings it up

If I had to guess, they’re a result of the Entrati family’s disdain for each other seeping into the infestation’s mind

[brittle siren]

yeah that make sense

[restive river]

I think by now it’s kinda just automatic too, a piece of Deimos’ unique ecosystem

Always keeping everything on it’s toes
Will things be Orderly or chaotic

[brittle siren]

sorry for changing topic

so Belric and Rania is truly dead right?

[swift sentinel]

Sort of, they're forever preserved in crystal

[brittle siren]

or their "soul" is maintain the body and "Conceptual Embodiment" the void tunnel

since Lotus said if one of them gone the tunnel will collapse

[lilac aspen]

Sorry to suddenly appear
But I think it's a more of they've evolved so much that They obtained individuality.

Which is ironic in thought because, like the Entrati with their family issues, they're essentially having a gigantic, immortal eldritch disease god family disagreement.

Which probably developed due to the Entrati being a part of them, though

[glacial bough]

No, that's Jordas

[brittle siren]

Jordas is not that big though

[glacial bough]

It is. Jordas is at least 4 KM long depending on the Corpus ship he is

[brittle siren]

It a about the size of corpus crewship

[glacial bough]

Which is an unfortunate failing of the scaling required for Archwing

[restive river]

Are fass and vome not larger?

[glacial bough]

But Jordas is a full Corpus capital ship

[restive river]

I would guess near the same size if anything

[glacial bough]

They very much wouldn't

[brittle siren]

I think this image still unfair since they are environmental background stuff

Ingame they tower the sky

Sure they not as thicc as Jordas, but they are really tall

Long maybe the right word

[glacial bough]

Yeah, and Jordas should properly be closer to the size of the capital ship in RJ

It all depends on what type of ship was consumed

[brittle siren]

Concept art of it

Yeah he pretty small compare to the actual capital ship behind him

[humble sierra]

I think they're two connected heads of the same being. Either

A) they view each other as a parasite that harms the hive in comparison to their plans with it
B) just some sibling shenanigans

[brittle siren]

I like the B more since it kinda funny

[humble sierra]

Yeah lmao

"Mom said it's my turn controlling Deimos"

[cosmic whale]

So lore question here but..are the Corrupted in the void called corrupted because of the Void itself or is it the man in the wall controlling them?

[dire mountain]

Originally they were attacked by the Neural Sentry and converted into mindless drones in service of it

The Neural Sentry is an automated defense system of orokin towers

[strange turtle]

Wally has nothing to do with it far as I know

I’m pretty sure there’s unrelated void stuff going on in cases like the fissures but I’ve never actually went and checked and I wouldn’t be surprised if the closest thing we have to an answer is a one-off Lotus voiceline

[old dome]

what does varzia mean by "prime vanguard"?? whats... that in the orokin military hierarchy??

theres low guardian, dax, & vanguard now...

& whats a yaskutai??

[cosmic whale]

Ahh I see, yeah I had always assumed wally had something to do with it, guess I don't know the lore as well as I thought lol

[strange turtle]

I don’t think it’s ever elaborated on but its just what Prime frames are included in. We can assume that it was probably similar to regular warframes/Tenno but reserved for Operators of higher skill and used for more important things

Important by Orokin standards at least

[strange turtle]

Servants specifically for the Dax (Orokin and Duviri)

[old dome]

ah... this makes me wanna rewatch any tv show abt the roman empire now

[strange turtle]

Think like a knight’s page, or if you’re into 40k an Astartes chapter serf, or other historical examples

[old dome]

yeah i think i got it.

[woven coyote]

Fun fact there used to be a larger jordas

[proper barn]

specificly a like Cup holder i think?

[strange turtle]

It’s never properly specified but 2 out of the 3 lines mentioning them had them do that, yeah

I’m assuming they do more because it’d be weird if DE went out of their way and invented a specific role and name just for cup-bearers for the Dax only for it to just be a word thrown around occasionally but so far that’s the only definitive role

[old dome]

varzia's line is "[...] the black-sash yaskutai that served our mess table?" so... idt so

[proper barn]

Teshins makes some comments about it

[old dome]

he does??

in duviri or...??

[proper barn]

in the duviri like intro hall he can.

[strange turtle]

Acrithis: "…in the Dax barracks, as the veiled Yaskutai would pour bowl after bowl of wine…"

Varzia “But that black-sash Yaskutai who served our mess table?”

Teshin (Sorrow Spiral): "'I am bound for the Inn at the End of Days. Death awaits me like a faithful Yaskutai. See, the warming glass is prepared.'"

[hidden cove]

Why is the Helminth here? I didn't realise she was here until I saw this Short just now

[tall echo]

Because it's spitting out the frame

[hidden cove]

And her being here, did we use her as a gateway to send a Warframe to 1999, or did she just make a Warframe for us to control in the meantime before we could get our gear?

[hidden cove]

I know what she's doing but why is she here in the middle of Hollvania?

And is it the same exact Helminth in the Backroom?

[tall echo]

Mbbkloufxh

Best answer I can give

[hidden cove]

Lmao fair enough

You had me worried for a sec lmao

[tall echo]

As clear an explanation as DE gives

[hidden cove]

Aye

[swift sentinel]

The Helminth hivemind is every-when, is essentially what Lizzie gives us

[tall echo]

I guess they needed some way to make a random excal appearing make sense

[swift sentinel]

So we can send stuff IN in the present, and OUT in 1999.
What we don't get is how Loid does that, but that seems to be the basic mechanism

[tall echo]

Through the vessels

[swift sentinel]

The vessels are how the Drifter transfers, not how the Helminth in 1999 spits out a Warframe.

[tall echo]

The vessels are connected to the hex and loid is exploiting that connection to do some time shenanigans

[hidden cove]

Ah sweet

[swift sentinel]

Voidy, woidy, timey, wimey, stuff

[hidden cove]

Heart dark bark lmao

(That's Kingdom Hearts)

[tall echo]

I hope DE references doctor who at some point considering all this time travel nonsense

[hidden cove]

I just realised this was about the Coda and not specifically the Helminth lmao

But yeah I figured this was the case with the Coda

Since Flare can sit on a comet until the Night of Naga Drums

[graceful swan]

Infestation in general really

[hidden cove]

They just hibernate for a couple millennia and we kill them in the present day

[winged flume]

As Tom Paris once said while he was rapidly evolving due to going through Trans warp during the Emmy nominated classic episode Threshold (Star Trek Voyager)

"The past is the present and the future is the past, don't you see it".

[winged flume]

Ballas made two special strains the normal Infested, and the Helminth, and I guess the Grey Strain? But the Technocyte (hehe keyboard rewrote it to techno cute) is the precursor, the progenitor. Even still we don't know where that came from.

[graceful swan]

Orokin didn’t create the Infestation they just weaponised it

[lean garden]

Big talk for a big lizard

[old atlas]

ima just say it, its my firm belief that the only crimes kullervo was charged with that he actually did was refusing to execute either warframes or tenno (i dont remember which exactly), running from the law, and attempted regicide (deserved because ballas is terrible)

[strange turtle]

Albrecht modifies a police box outside the mall he imported from Britannia to allow easy access to and from 1999 (Loid said please)

[strange turtle]

should be changed to Attempted Heroism tbh

[old atlas]

true ballas sucks

[candid elm]

God I love David tennets version of the doctor

[lean garden]

Personal favourite is capaldi, but tennet for sure is a banger

[candid elm]

Tennet got me into the series

Plus I just have the hots for long coats

But yeah they should totally do a doctor who reference one of these days

[tall echo]

I can't watch doctor who

[candid elm]

Why?

Region locked?

Or can't afford it?

[tall echo]

It's not on any streaming service I have access to

Could go pirate tbf

[tall echo]

Love the artstyle of your pfp

[proper barn]

We support gay rights and wrongs.

[old atlas]

ty! id credit the artist if i knew them

[old atlas]

what lol

[tall echo]

Kullervo was very gay for ballas

[old atlas]

ayo?

lmao

[tall echo]

Completely understandable tbh I'd fall for that voice too if I didn't know what kind of person ballas was

[old atlas]

true

[proper barn]

Only in the beginning. But yeah one of then crimes says "you thought he would ever love you?"

[old dome]

yeah... bc every other crime (that isnt the accidental murder of his mom + the 1st treason charge when he tried to kill that Orokin for a favor) + the fact that be couldve easily gotten jade lighted for ANY of them—it was all just ballas toying w the poor guy...

[brittle siren]

When Thrax telling the father on his dying bed with 3 sons, does it have any deeper meaning?

[winged flume]

I don't know, but SocraTetris has video on it, he might have figured it out.

[graceful swan]

It’s just a story badly trying to explain Teshins predicament

[brittle siren]

But how is 3 sons related to Teshin death though

[graceful swan]

Death

I did say it was bad

[rotund tinsel]

Took me ages to realise that the update logo to the new war was an upside down Tenno emblem

[rotund tinsel]

Since it's implied that other tenno exist and Deimos was safe from narmer during new war,it'd be mad funny if EVERY tenno was hiding on Deimos

[normal mountain]

Or the Orokin Void cuz Sentients

Just imagine the look on Vor's face

Vor: "Look at them... why are so many of you here?!"
Random Tenno: "An Orokin jack*** and his Sentient cult army took over the system."
Vor: "...fine, you can stay for now."

[strange turtle]

Frankly I’d take my chances with Narmer rather than be forced to his listen to his preaching on the Void and the Janus Key

[fallen kiln]

i think we need nef anyo return as a big bad again

[tall echo]

Nah

He's a tiny bad

[woven coyote]

Inflatable bad

[graceful swan]

He was never a big bad

[winged flume]

Vor needs to be prevalent again, tell me more of the Janua Key's magic whizened geezerneer.

[rotund tinsel]

New war is peak,seeing grinner AND corpus ships fire at murexes,not each other,was so amazing to me

I can't describe how exciting it was the first time I played

[proper barn]

I think parvos might be a bad like the Queens where.

Later down the road.

[rotund tinsel]

"Since the tenno left without saying good-bye" with seeing a rhino corpse in new war,does that mean that tenno were killed and some went into hiding?

[odd prairie]

most likely

[restive river]

No

The tenno and warframes are different

[odd prairie]

you can kill the warframe

[restive river]

You can kill a warframe
You can’t kill a tenno

[odd prairie]

but the operator can survive they just probably pulled back

[restive river]

We don’t know where the other tenno went during the new war but they weren’t killed.

The intro cutscene for the second dream covers this

[rotund tinsel]

"Sever their heads yet they rise again" I thought they were talking about warframes and the ability to make more with foundry

[odd prairie]

warframes are flesh puppets

[rotund tinsel]

The best kind🗣️

[odd prairie]

tenno are also just insanely hard to kill

cause you need to find them first

[proper barn]

Well "just"

[restive river]

Heck even if you find us you can’t kill us lol

[odd prairie]

there are two versions of us running around so

even if you kill one of them the other exists

[proper barn]

I mean even Ballas stabbing us didn't kill us just him doing that and throwing us in the Void trapped us.

Well its more the throwing into the Void

That traps us not kills us.

[odd prairie]

i imagine to kill a tenno you need to sever their link

then oblierate them

like down to the cell

[rotund tinsel]

I imagine it's Deadpool and wolverine rules,they can't regenerate if there's nothing to regenerate from

[proper barn]

We are made of void

We aren't cells

[odd prairie]

well the sentients were capable of killing some of the tenno

so it has to be possible

[proper barn]

Also the driver also before we even give then powers are like a lot of VOID they die every day.

[odd prairie]

you could also ofcourse just || eat the sun to make sure nothing can come back ||

[restive river]

Well we are but also void

The tenno are still human, just more as well

[rotund tinsel]

coughs Praghasa coughs

[odd prairie]

its a shame we get one tile set for sentients

their a really good enemy

[proper barn]

For now

Duh duh DAHHHHH

[odd prairie]

its been like 8 years

[proper barn]

Also techinaiclly not true.

[odd prairie]

thats on the same level of plausibilty as necromechs being relevant again

[proper barn]

I disagree.

From what 1999 implies and the kim messages and stuff.

I think we will get tau at some point in the next 3 years. I don't think the sentients will be the enemies also they would be 1000+ years removed and actually the first sentients not related to hunhow and not scarred by the Void we have ever seen.

[restive river]

Well they’ve said no more necramechs rn

[restive river]

It’s been like 5 lol

[odd prairie]

time is an illusion

[tall echo]

I still want a light bonewidow version called raiden bc voidrig had snake

[restive river]

The issue with the sentients and giving them a new tileset is making it make sense
The sentients don’t have that large of a presence in the origin system

[proper barn]

I also think the 3rd orb will be about the solar rail and erra.

[odd prairie]

you dont even need a new tileset

just some missions that dont require railjack would be nice

[proper barn]

Khal

[tall echo]

Archon hunts:

Lua survival:

[odd prairie]

with khal its less a fight

more a blood bath

cause khal is the most powerful warframe character

[tall echo]

It's never a fight with the sentients

Kahl ate the only anti-sentient mods in the entire system

[odd prairie]

it made him stronger

[tall echo]

He is the bane of sentients

[proper barn]

Most people complain khal can't kill enough.

[odd prairie]

the engineer guy was cool too

we need a clem and kahl team up campaign

[tall echo]

RIP teko

[proper barn]

I was talking about veilbreaker khal

Is that what you where talking about or just new war?

[odd prairie]

oh veilbreaker he gets stronger

man just decides to let a corpus join him

and the corpus is like eh why not

[tall echo]

Multiple

[odd prairie]

i only got one corpus spawn

[tall echo]

Every run is different people so

Technically infinite corpus

[odd prairie]

i feel kind of bad for sister

she has to somehow communicate with kahl

[proper barn]

You get both sisters.

[tall echo]

He's not stupid, he understands normal speech

[odd prairie]

yeah he just cant talk good

and is very dedicated to his goals

[tall echo]

Kahl sneak good, kahl no talk good

[odd prairie]

stealthy kahl is still the funniest image in lore to me

[tall echo]

Kahl of duty

[odd prairie]

trying to sneak with that hump back

[tall echo]

It's not a humpback, that's pure armor

[odd prairie]

i know but its still funny to imagine him sneaking up on someone

[tall echo]

Kahl believes in loud stealth

[odd prairie]

i would just choose to not see him

to save my life

[tall echo]

Like a barbarian that rolls to intimidate for stealth

Local nerd makes dnd references

[odd prairie]

naw its less intimidation more

any grineer who thinks their stealthy is insane and im not paid enough

[tall echo]

If you're not a tenno, it is intimidation

[woven coyote]

He is smart even
He made the veilbreaker himself after all

[rotund tinsel]

Rest in peace Viko

[rotund tinsel]

Considering how grinner speak to you in missions then how Kahl does,it's safe to assume that Kahl isn't very good with English because he doesn't speak english very well,he speaks grinner

[humble sierra]

His speech is stunted but still quite fluent for the most part

[winged flume]

I still say we should get a Kahl and Clem buddy side story.

[river tangle]

was albrecht entrati fully aware of what was ballas doing in the new war or nah

[rotund tinsel]

Yes and no?

There's a computer in sanctum that has every key point in the story

[versed portal]

I’ve not done all of the Quincy chats, but I have a small question that’s more of a “why can’t this happen?”.
(If I get something wrong here please clarify)

|| As we know since the 1999 area is practically like its own dimension, The Hex can’t exactly get out of it. In one of Quincy’s chats you can mention Cavalero to him.||
||Now here is where it could have gotten even better, since you can bring weapons and items from your dimension into 1999, why can’t you just (in canonical Drifter, not actual players)… bring a camera and record videos between Cavalero and Quincy to have them talk in a video snail-mail?||

[rotund tinsel]

I don't think cavalero would understand what a camera is

[hexed oxide]

i was going to make a joke about quincy being the one not understanding what a camera is, but it's 1999 not 1899...

i don't know how drifter can just take things in and out of 1999, but they probably can do that camera thing or just relay messages between eachother (hey quincy, cavalero said this and that)

[dire mountain]

Quincy is also

A photographer

[hexed oxide]

forgot about that bit

[fleet furnace]

it is possible to take things out of 1999 || do kayas convos||

[river tangle]

but kalymos sequence thing…

it has nothing to do with kalymos sequence thing

has it not?

[fleet furnace]

i think at this point in time were done as far as 1999s relation to the sequence goes, but im not entirely sure

[dire mountain]

The sequence is complete

[humble sierra]

Entrati was able to take 1999 technology like the kinepages and the PCs back to the labs

even an entire train, albeit just for a few seconds

[tall echo]

Going back in time was the final step of the sequence iirc

[dire mountain]

we only got the message it was complete after saving the hex

And part of the whole deal with the Vessels is we needed a link to them iirc

[humble sierra]

Yeah ngl the sequence didn't feel "complete" to me

Like it doesn't feel like we accomplished anything big

[dire mountain]

Yeah

[fleet furnace]

we had to get entrati from the past or whatever iirc and when we save the hex he dissappears off to somewhere else

[dire mountain]

Though to be fair

All of the things we've done in the labs were part of the kalymos sequence I believe

Helping to repair and rebuild

[humble sierra]

It feels more like a phase 1 than a full sequence

Maybe we got the Euleria Sequence or the Loid Sequence next

[hexed oxide]

what could be the familiar place the devs mentioned we are revisiting ?

orb vallis ? finally make something out of that orb of the lake ?

[humble sierra]

Here's hoping

[azure elm]

its the zariman

https://tenor.com/view/monkey-orangutan-hahaha-laugh-lol-gif-10438096

[restive river]

What is this in regard to exactly?
Cause we know they’re going back and touching up some old tilesets with better lighting and changing at least one old boss

[green hazel]

they better buff captain vor

and his janus key

[restive river]

Have you not seen the last devstream?

[green hazel]

no

[restive river]

Lol

[green hazel]

never

[restive river]

Your loss

[green hazel]

please tell me

please my goat vor

[restive river]

Nah go watch it
||they’re revamping vor’s first real fight to be better||

[green hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/gigachad-chad-gif-20773266

literally DE

[proper barn]

They said they where going to a old open world or something for the next update.

also i am still calling infested tileset update soon but anyway.

[hexed oxide]

how old is cambion drift ?

if we are following still on albrecht's trail it must be related to deimos

[brittle siren]

uh very, since old war

or you mean the whole Deimos?

if so then it was discovered (irl) on 1877

we don't know when it form or where it came from

[green hazel]

warframe 1877 when?

[humble sierra]

ProtoMesa would go hard

[brittle siren]

if that happen, I hope whenever we use her 4, she say "High Noon"

[azure elm]

what about

protoa

get it

[proper barn]

guards seize them.

for this bad joke.

[dire mountain]

It was like, summer 2020 when it released

[opal girder]

So I don't get it is tenshin dead or not??

[dire mountain]

No

[opal girder]

Explain

[river tangle]

tagfer, tag for disposal

huh...

[dire mountain]

Teshin almost died and was tossed into the void portal during the new war, right? He then, fell into Duviri and was nursed to health by Mathila

[graceful swan]

Duviri Paradox

[opal girder]

Ahh thanks , I haven't played in a while and the lore has quickly out grown me

[woven coyote]

Dont ask about bird 1 and bird 2

[twin wigeon]

Dont ask about mr. fishonacci (Fibonacci)

[strange turtle]

Death by meteor

[wet notch]

I've got a couple lore questions. One: Why, when you take over a relay, does it shoot a massive energy beam at the planet it's in orbit of? Two: Why is every enemy ship equipped with tenno evac ports?

[humble sierra]

The junctions you take over are Solar Rails. They connect the planets (and beyond) together.

The evac ports are probably a standardized design that your landing craft can fit onto.

[restive river]

1. That’s the solar rail, we’re connecting them so we can travel iirc
2. The evacs are def just our landing craft but like Arkadia said it’s likely standard too

Easy step in and evac

[twin wigeon]

the evac ports are probs like airlocks that do happen to fit with our ship, t'would cost quintillions of credits and resources to change the design of the ports

for the enemy, mainly

we only got like a handful of ships

[humble sierra]

Yeah the areas we extract from are probably just ports that can connect to other ships, but we connect to them in our Landing Crafts

[wet notch]

Okay but...does the solar rail work like a sort of bifrost? Since the beam hits the planet directly? Can you just step into it and get teleported to the next planet?

[restive river]

No, it doesn’t hit the planet
That’s just the skybox being funky

[wet notch]

but...it's always aimed directly at the planet, and there's an impact animation.

[restive river]

We use our orbiter to get into orbit and our landing craft to get onto planets and ships

[humble sierra]

They're hitting the Void I guess

[restive river]

It isn’t and that “impact” is it connecting to the other rails

[restive river]

Could be
I don’t recall if the rails are void tech specifically, I believe they are to an extent but I’m unsure

Hard to tell what’s voidtech and what’s just advanced orokin technology
Considering they likely had the rails BEFORE voidtech though? I doubt it

But again, I’m unsure

[twin wigeon]

pretty sure its not voidtech as void tech is usually like wormholes and stuff while solar rails kinda just like allow safe passage to the next planet or smth

[graceful swan]

Well they do shoot that Void beam thing

[wet notch]

I just cleared both relays over Earth today and both showed the same thing. The relay pointing towards Earth, firing a curving blue energy beam toward the surface. When it touched the surface, it burst and spread over the surface like an explosion.

[restive river]

Again, hard to tell what’s voidtech and what’s just normal Orokin tech

[restive river]

How far are you?
Like progression-wise

[wet notch]

Steel Path.

[graceful swan]

Orokin tech often incorporated Void tech

Once Albrecht discovered how to use Void Orokin used it for most things

[restive river]

No ik :p
you know what I mean though

Normal tech vs voidtech

[restive river]

K it’s been a while for me since I’ve done the junctions but keep an eye out
From what I recall they don’t all “hit” the planet
Nor is that what’s happening

[graceful swan]

I’m still surprised the Void could even reach Tau

[restive river]

The rails don’t interact with the planets at all, they’re just there to facilitate travel between them and other key locations

[wet notch]

I will screen record it happening next time.

[graceful swan]

Rails are like building a chain to another rail

[wet notch]

gonna like

speedrun venus or mars to get the next junction so i can show you

[restive river]

Surprisingly hard to find videos showing it lol

Not hitting the planet.

[wet notch]

huh

[restive river]

lol

[twin wigeon]

grrr

[graceful swan]

Didn’t it used to shoot it at the planet

[restive river]

That’s a video from 8 years ago

Pretty sure it’s the same too

[twin wigeon]

no its not doom eternal 😠

[graceful swan]

You could replay the Rail fight

[restive river]

It’s just an oddity with the skybox and the placement of the planet and the beam

Yeah but I don’t wanna get out of bed rn

Another one from 8 years ago

https://youtu.be/QuxKMwoJCDg?si=xNBW3-rqsxrrG9yF

Yeah it’s literally just they reuse the skybox for that planet and the animation for the junction, it isn’t actually hitting the planet it just looks like it cause it’s old and they didn’t think about it that much tbh

And again, the rails have no interaction with the planet, they aren’t the bifrost, it doesn’t activate teleportation

[swift sentinel]

Relay animation old, some skyboxes new

[restive river]

Yupp

[wet notch]

ohhhh ok yeah you're right. They might wanna move the earth, then, since that's the first planet you clear...

[restive river]

The solution would just be shifting the skybox a bit so the beam doesn’t “hit”

[graceful swan]

A Blue beam hitting earth

Wally stop invading Earth new players aren’t ready for that yet

[strange turtle]

New players getting in a squad on Earth and accidentally getting dragged into the 12 player Void War arc ending raid

[wet notch]

...12 player?

[proper barn]

Jokes.

Don't worry about it.

[stark arrow]

Doom?

[twin wigeon]

where exactly does entrati get archon shards, also how are they in 1999?

[wet notch]

here's another question. We know some of the Protos wear trousers. But some don't. Which means the Helminth has covered their...nether regions. But they still eat and drink. So, uh. Does the infested flesh just absorb waste or something?

[brittle siren]

So is Da Vinci exist in Warframe universe

[brittle siren]

Yes

[glacial bough]

There's no answer but all their regular processes still happen

[brittle siren]

From Amir words, they and us can still do "that", but I don't think waste gonna come out of their body

[wet notch]

Do you think all the frames have...like...eyes and stuff somewhere behind those armoured faces? Like Umbra's?

[brittle siren]

Ah no, Unbra is more like sixth sense

[glacial bough]

they have the vestigial organs, yes

[wet notch]

Warframe really is just Space Trauma the game.

[brittle siren]

Tbh most Warframe has like "spider sense" similar to Spiderman, but Umbra just have a really high sensitivity

[graceful swan]

Unless you’re Dagath she ain’t got a face

[brittle siren]

Btw what are all Duviri living thing made of? They look like they were made from pottery or sth

[graceful swan]

They’re all just CE book characters

Realistically that means they don’t need human features

[brittle siren]

Yes ik that, but I also would like to know what are they made of from the outside

Or we have no info about that?

[graceful swan]

They’re just Void creations really

[glacial bough]

They're made of Void energy

[graceful swan]

The courtiers also have an emotion they embody

[restive river]

The shards are from the old war, they were stored in the netracells
As to how we get them in 1999? Unexplained afaik, probably temporal shenanigans tho

[graceful swan]

Pursuant to the study of Archon Shards

Tenno,

As I adjust to the era in which I have awakened, I note with alarm the reappearance of 'Archons', a foe we have not seen since the Sentient War.

Several Archon Shards were retrieved from the battlefields. The Orokin demanded Albrecht Entrati explore the potential inherent in them, a task he immediately delegated to me.

The Necraloid has shown me some examples of Kermerros' work with Shards. Impressive. I believe I can improve upon it, however.

You may acquire the relevant Segment from the Cavia at your convenience.

—Loid

Gotta read mail more

[drowsy saddle]

i mean we do see umbra having eyes, and neuroptics are basically eyeballs

[brittle siren]

But only in front of him

[graceful swan]

Warframes were made using humans so in pretty much every case they should still have all features of a regular human just with Infested flesh

[tall echo]

That was not the question

[graceful swan]

Don’t frames still manage to see due to all the blue things you see on most frames?

[brittle siren]

They said does Umbra has literal eye behind his head, which obviously not (as far as we know)

[tall echo]

Do you think all the frames have...like...eyes and stuff somewhere behind those armoured faces? Like Umbra's?

Face, not head. As in, inside the helmet

[brittle siren]

Ah

My mistake

[tall echo]

Unnecessary rudeness deleted. Sry

I clearly did not get enough sleep

[brittle siren]

It's ok, my fault for not reading the sentence carefully

[stark arrow]

More like they are hiding their emotions, similar our Operator.

[brittle siren]

No offence but I feel so much pain watching this https://youtu.be/awszIIaPv_E

[graceful swan]

N_Ranoru has finally learned loretubers typically suck

[brittle siren]

well most of them

[silk atlas]

"typically"

[lament loom]

here me out what if the man in the wall is really the good guy all along

[silk atlas]

"Ah yes the person who made my parents go insane and then basically forced me to kill them is the good guy, my fault gang"

[graceful swan]

Also the same person who tried to crush me with a Vessel

And killed a guy in Duviri

And Black eyed children

What good has Wally even done?

[lament loom]

see but what if he’s trying to make everyone hate him so we all come together to fight him off

so all of the factions learn the power of friendship and stop fighting eachother

he’s sacrificing himself so we come together

how noble of him

[graceful swan]

You do realise he’s also called the Indfference right?

And most factions don’t even know about Wally

[iron pond]

From a lore point of view who would be a interesting proto

I think protea be a very interesting one i mean especially with drifters time loop

She could have basically a sans awareness trope

[silk atlas]

Everyone else is aware of the loop when you did it for the Finale, though

[iron pond]

How do the kim forgetting work?

[silk atlas]

Hell if I know

The rank ups make it clear they know it's going on

[iron pond]

Was thinking that more just gameplay thing i mean ranking up open world factions can be a slog if that also got reset that be a big outrage

[hexed oxide]

are they that aware of the loop though ?

[graceful swan]

Yes

[hexed oxide]

i think i remember someone's chat (maybe lettie) asking how many loops they've gone through, which made me think they are aware they are looping but not like the drifter was in duviri, keeping count of how many times they died there

[silk atlas]

Read Rank 4 Hex rank-up messages

[cunning tapir]

I know Lettie when moved in to the backroom asked the Drifter "how many tries did-" before asking noping out saying she didn't want to know.

I figure she was going to ask something like "how many loops did it take for you to be able to ask me out?"

[hexed oxide]

that's likely the thing i was talking about, thought it was a chat. there is the R4 hex chat but still some chats imply they don't really remember everything

maybe i missed smth about the hex just being able to remember bc transference or smth, but this chat of lettie makes it seem like she has to train anita bc both forget that happened

[glacial bough]

That just says the rats forget

[cunning tapir]

Beign able to remember loops only goes for the Drifter,
eeeeh for lack of a better way to phrase it, the protoframes remember because the drifter lets them remember.

[feral cape]

And lizzie remembers

[cunning tapir]

Yeah, Lizzie will remember.
She'll know your memory wiping sins.

https://tenor.com/view/pepperidge-pepperidge-farm-remembers-remember-gif-15527169458174144495

[strange turtle]

I choose to believe that the being able to control whether they remember or forget is like their version of the Round Table protos bad ends. They have the ability to cut them off and make the protos forget, but unless they get pushed to that point they won’t “seek it out” so to speak, similar to how they gave up control of Duviri to Thrax.

1999 and the Kim system in general isn’t really built to handle there being resets of the memories in a satisfying way, just “it happened”, so I just chalk it up to the same kind of thing as Operations and stuff. Player might have/might not have done it, but ultimately in the one “true” canon it didn’t actually happen

[sleek steppe]

So warframe baby

Interesting

Like

I don't get it

[lean garden]

Babi

[sleek steppe]

Was it created by the orokin or do it jade and stalker did it in warframe form

[lean garden]

You just did Jade Shadows no?

[sleek steppe]

Yeah

[graceful swan]

Jade was pregnant then infected like every other frame

[lean garden]

It was like, very overt that Jade and Stalker did it when they were both humans

[sleek steppe]

Ohh

I better be able to play as that baby in the future

[graceful swan]

Probably not

Best bet is in the future it’ll just be a character in a quest

[restive river]

I can see us playing as them in a quest at most, like Stalker

It really will depend on what our relationship to the baby will be
Will they hunt us?
Will they be an ally?
Are they even a warframe?

[azure elm]

orion will grow only to kid size, then be the angler from terraria for the new open world

stalkerland

[restive river]

that was a sentence

[little helm]

Just curious

[lean garden]

Well, you'd need to 1) bring him out from duviri and 2) get over the moral quandry of turning space uncle into a warframe

[little helm]

Ahh right

So he was sucked into the void

The next lore people are talking about is the tau system am I right @lean garden ?

[lean garden]

Er, it will be a while, we dont have a reliable way there yet

[little helm]

Ik but if yonta does decide to make the jump it could possible to transport certain population of duviri to tau

Then maybe the sentients could just take them... (Just making stuff up)

[lean garden]

Issue is the big void hole the zariman is plugging up

[little helm]

I mean make the zariman make the jump

To the tau system

@lean garden nah bro his body was not taken into the void

Ig pazuul kept it

[lean garden]

Who do you think is talking to you in Duviri

[little helm]

Its Teshin but the body

[lean garden]

Thats his body

[little helm]

It so confusing cause the void does have this doplganger concept

The Drifter and the Operator

[lean garden]

No need for confusion, thats our teshin, surviving after crashing into duviri

[little helm]

Ok thanks

This helps but it would be cool if there was a warframe that had teshin + archon abilities

[restive river]

Like Bau said
Moral quandary

We got messed up from Umbra
Let’s not do that with someone we actually know.

[proven perch]

@barren jasper ik umbra is, but others can't if they are not controlled by ||tenno||

[barren jasper]

so every frame was a real human injected with the infestation originally

they were their own living being

[restive river]

Yes

[barren jasper]

yes

[restive river]

They still are technically, the Orokin just suppressed their consciousness so the Tenno could control them and so that they would not go feral

[winged flume]

I hope Teshin x Varzia x Maroo becomes a thing.

Varzia is too cool not to have her cakes.

[hexed oxide]

o_o

[winged flume]

Varzia drops so much passive lore when she glibs about having affection for Teshin and Maroo. All the time.

[hexed oxide]

i know that one, and i don't think it's "passive" lore

"teshin...i don't know if i want to slam him against a wall or have him slam me against one"

[winged flume]

I call it passive as you don't have to talk to her with dialogue options, she just; talks rather organically.

[proper barn]

She also talks about wanting to marry Maroo.

[hexed oxide]

i know she's down bad for her but i didn't think she wanted to marry her

[lofty silo]

How a Xaku Protoframe would be?

[winged flume]

No idea, but I want the original frames that made them up first to be honest.

[restive river]

Nah, they were lost forever + it ruins the concept

[restive river]

It could work easily, the problem is the skeletal form but DE can find a way if they want to

[lofty silo]

I mean like

[restive river]

It iterate on this
Xaku is composed of 3 lost warframes from entrati void expeditions, it’s impossible to know what frames they’re composed of as too many were lost and now the identity that Xaku is, the composite, is more than those 3 lost frames

[lofty silo]

Wiuld Xaku like

[restive river]

Conceptually it works fine
The problem is the skeletal form

All Albrecht would have to do is inject someone with the Xaku batch, that’s it, I do think this would only work or would cause multiple personalities though due to their nature of being a composite, 3 as 1

[cunning tapir]

Only way I can see a Xaku protoframe happening is if Albrecht was deranged enough to take the body parts of 3 corpses and sewn them together to make 1 human body and then inject the helminth strain.

[lofty silo]

I'm more in doubt about how would the character be

Would it be 1 person with 3 parts of another people in their body

Or 3 people inside 1 body

[restive river]

Why? He could inject it into one person no problem
The infestation alters the person, it doesn’t require that person to have specific perimeters met

[cunning tapir]

Good point. =/

[lofty silo]

And have this Indetidy crisis

[restive river]

Depends what story DE wants to tell
I’m partial to multiple personalities in one body

[lofty silo]

Well the morality of him is gray, because he only made the Hex to protect him at first

[restive river]

As much of a crisis as Lotus had

[lofty silo]

And study

[lofty silo]

Yeah exactly, would be a good idea

[restive river]

Thing is, DE did tell a story of a being who is 3 as 1 already
Her name is the Lotus lol

[lofty silo]

Multiple would work well, but 1 person made of other ones too

[restive river]

But I could see them going in depth and even having them relate to the Lotus!

[lofty silo]

But the story lotus have is difference of Xaku

Xaku, first of all, is the goat

Second of all, Xaku is Flamenguista

And third of all, I love Xaku

Lmao

[restive river]

I don’t see how they would be made of others though, that’s not how Xaku was made
Not through the infestation being told to stitch 3 frames together but through the void bringing lost frames together

[lofty silo]

That would be a good idea too

[restive river]

They’re different yes but also similar
Also the protoframe can clearly be different to some extent

[cunning tapir]

Lotus: 3 people 1 body
Xaku: 3 people 1 body
Yeah, I can see the parallel.

[lofty silo]

I guess is more easy, the Protoframe Xaku, be a very disabled person, like someone who was born with a lot of physical problems, and then Albrecht made experiments and etc

[restive river]

There’s a reason they put in a lotus deluxe skin for xaku deluxe

[lofty silo]

Yeah, like Aoi have its own personality and isn't really "Mag"

[restive river]

Maybe, or just multiple personalities and struggling but Albrecht helped them by making them a more whole composite

[restive river]

Exactly!

[cunning tapir]

Isn't Aoi technically the OG mag?

[lofty silo]

Good idea too

[restive river]

No.

[cunning tapir]

time travel kinda complicates things tho

[lofty silo]

No

[restive river]

None of the protos are the OGs except for Flare

[lofty silo]

No because 1999 is a whole other dimesion right?

[restive river]

It’s not

[lofty silo]

The Netra Strings explain this

[restive river]

It isn’t, it’s the true past.

[restive river]

No, 1999 is not a strand of khra.

[lofty silo]

The Netra Strings it's the Timelines of Warframe

[restive river]

No

[lofty silo]

Why not?

[restive river]

The strands of khra are VOID RENDERINGS of cause and effect, not actual cause and effect

[restive river]

Yes
What we do in 1999 effects the future and Rebb has even said it’s nothing like Duviri, it’s not a conceptual embodiment, it’s the true past

They’ve already established we can rewrite the past too and they’ve made it apparent 1999?8: the true past

[lofty silo]

Huh?

Okay that's the reason I hate time travel

[restive river]

Lol

[lofty silo]

The Void is like a place with a lot of biomes right? The Duviri is like a Biome, and then there's the Orokin Void too

[lofty silo]

Conceptual embodiment is what created the Indifference when Albrecht got inside the void without any sorta protection right?

He saw a copy of himself and etc, that's the reason of him not using continuity, because due to insanity, and this, he thinks he's not the real one

[restive river]

No?

[lofty silo]

I love Albrecht story, and how Aiden Pierce went to revenge of a gang to revenge a dimensional bein

[restive river]

It sounds like it to some degree yes

[lofty silo]

Why not? That's the simplest way to understand void

[restive river]

Which is funny cause we know now he def is, he was just mad paranoid

[lofty silo]

Exactly

[restive river]

I mean the Orokin didn’t have a specific part of the void exactly

Like Duviri is a bubble in the void

[lofty silo]

But the void with spirals of energy like a glowing neon liquid, it's the void Orokin biome

[restive river]

Connected to the Zariman which connects it to the origin system

[lofty silo]

That's what I mean, those Bubbles of void is like biomes

[restive river]

There’s no orokin biome

[restive river]

There’s only one tho
Duviri

[lofty silo]

There is, the Orokin ships

[lofty silo]

Nah I have one too

[restive river]

Those aren’t conceptually embodied

[lofty silo]

The Trinity Void

[restive river]

Lol

[lofty silo]

So only the conceptual embodiment are the biomes of void?

[restive river]

The orokin towers are just towers in the void, not conceptually embodied, not made from the void

[restive river]

Yes

[glacial bough]

Biome is even the word to be using at all

[lofty silo]

So what is these things that appear when we are on Orokin ships

You know? Like a blue liquid glowing neon thing

Lemme get a picture

[humble sierra]

Did you get a picture?

[north ferry]

I'm presumably they're talking about the particular spiraling silver aesthetic of Zariman and Angels? And I believe occasionally in Duviri locations.

As opposed to the void sand aesthetic in the labs.

[dire mountain]

You mean like the raw void???

[tall echo]

Guess there is no picture

[woven coyote]

They got lost on their way to get a camera

[woven coyote]

Arguably granum void too

[restive river]

Arguably, we don’t really know what that is though

[woven coyote]

Yeah

[restive river]

I do hope we see Granum utilizing the void and conceptual embodiment cause it def feels like that’s what it is but we don’t know for certain

Bro conceptually embodied a board room for his fake sisters

[woven coyote]

Parvos too busy tearing down virtual museums

[restive river]

I’m gonna kill him

[tall echo]

I'm gonna kill him. And then kill him again.

[hidden cove]

Why does Albrecht look the way he does in the left?

I know I'm using Fandom, I haven't bothered to install the Fandom blocker lmao

[feral cape]

On the left is before he had to regrow his entire skin

On the right is after

[proper barn]

Cuz he went through something so horrible it altered him physically.

Also the Orokin can change how they want to look at will

Well anyone in their time could just only the Orokin where allowed to.

They only had blue skin and long arms cuz they dyed their skin/stretched their arms.

The orokin aren't a race they where just the ruling class.

[hidden cove]

Cool. Thank you

[proper barn]

But yeah basically he fell through like a GIANT THICK pane of glass and lost fingers eyes hod voice and everything. Loid nursed him back to health and like fixed him up with medical stuff.

[hidden cove]

There's a 60% Impact Coda Mire

[swift sentinel]

The other explanation is that he went through Continuity one last time before recording his decision to "refuse the Kuva".

[graceful swan]

Yeah but that explanation is wrong

Loid nursed me then, tending first to the uprooted ruin of my eyes, then to the mouth whose grin no longer hid behind flesh.

The agony bit deep, but it was clean. Blameless love bled up from me.

I had decided to live.

I felt no certainty as I donned clothes rough and strange to the touch of newgrown skin. I had none of the selfless zeal of the soldier.

[swift sentinel]

That doesn't really say one way or the other. Loid nursed him back to health yes, but it doesn't say why he looks different.

[graceful swan]

Yes it does

Albrecht lost his skin that’s why his skin is way different

Albrecht swore off Continuity after that encounter

[humble sierra]

There are items in game that the player can get, called "Refacia Kits", and it's safe to assume they exist in lore too (I mean, if Rivens do, why can't these?) that allow the user to change their appearance. It's not Continuity, so even if the "Newgrown skin" Albrecht was talking about was just more of his Orokin blue skin, nothing was stopping him from changing it to be Caucasian, especially if that was just a choice to fit into the year 1999

[north ferry]

So, the orbiter doesn't have a means for void travel right?

[swift sentinel]

Does not appear to, which is why we need to unlock the rails

[strange turtle]

No independent void travel

It’s propulsion works fine in there, but it lacks the only known means of entering and exiting the Void on it’s own, the Reliquary Drive Railjacks use

[graceful swan]

"Operator, I will never betray you. I will keep the Orbiter hidden in the Void. You can count on me!"

Can go into the Void

Just isn’t using it same way Railjack does

[humble sierra]

Yeah if I had to figure, the activation of the Solar Rails is more for navigating the void than it is FTL travel

[winged flume]

https://wiki.warframe.com/w/Arboriform

I don't know why, but I always called these Neural Trees as they reminded me of the neuropathways of nerve endings and such.

My first time in the Void was 2020 when I got back into Warframe. Unlocked the first pathway to the Void this day those years ago.

[graceful swan]

I just called them Void trees

[karmic prism]

I never new they actually had a name

Kewl

[graceful swan]

A tile set in the Orokin moon has a terminal indicating the structures are called Arboriform that’s how we know what it’s called

[karmic prism]

I never knew that either

I should have. How dare I

I love those trees. They are kewl

[gray silo]

Buh????

[spice spade]

Guys. I've been playing for 7 years so I don't know about the new player experience anymore. My friend is starting to play but he has to play all roam maps before archwing and Natah??? Did they changed the way we discover about we being a real person instead being an Warframe? From where I can recall, Heart of Deimos has a section in the mission where our frame is shut down and we need to ride a necramech with our tenno. Did they change anything about the tenno reveal?

[lean garden]

HoD never actually shows the tenno, instead it, like it had on release, has a set of lines for if the player has not completed the Second Dream, in which the Entrati family will tell each other its too early for you to know, instead of playing the dialogue about transference impulse stream rerouting

[spice spade]

Ooh thx. I was afraid of him being spoiled about the tenno. Thx mate

[hidden cove]

Didn't realise I was in the lore channel lmao sorry

[tall echo]

Buh????

[lean garden]

Buh???

[gray silo]

Don't be sorry. I now have a level 40 fully built 60% toxic coda mire thanks to you

[gray silo]

Make fun of me again, see what happens! (Nothings gonna happen. I'm all talk ^-^)

[tall echo]

Buh????

[gray silo]

Buh????

[tall echo]

I'm not all talk, I'm all sass and chaos

[gray silo]

That should be a Ben and Jerry's flavor.

Sass and Chaos

[tall echo]

What would that even be made of

[gray silo]

This is the lore channel. Let's get back to lore.

Your favorite warframe is allowed to create and name a Ben and Jerry's flavor. What do they put in it and what do they name it?

[tall echo]

I have two favorite frames

[gray silo]

So two flavors!

[tall echo]

I now learn that I'm not creative with ice cream

[gray silo]

Titania's would be called Flavorwing Blitz. It'd be a birthday cake flavored icecream with little candy 'flies'

[hidden cove]

Lmao nice

[lean garden]

Buh???

[restive river]

Guh!!!

[gray silo]

Buh???

[proper barn]

Imitation is the highest form of flattery.

[marsh seal]

is there a lore reason why wallie likes to watch?

[old dome]

it likes being creepy

keeping drifter on their toes

[marsh seal]

damn but why look when they r doing it

[old dome]

wh??

[restive river]

Lidless eye
He has no choice

[hexed oxide]

i know im late to the party, but what's the deal with dante ?

did he open the grimoire, start fighting against the indifference to acquire knowledge but give up to avoid letting the indifference in ?

[cunning tapir]

I mean, if you think about it, drifter putting the chair there is a diabolical choice.
Wally: "Hey Ki-OMFG THIS IS A BAD TIME. I'LL JUST HEAD OUT!"

Wally: Also, Handholding?! Ya'll are sick. I'm an eldritch void god and i'm calling you sick.....Ya'll need jesus

[feral cape]

Seems more like wally stole his body

[restive river]

Accurate
Love is his poison

[old dome]

...how true is this + is it in the game's files itself or?

(for some context: i was wondering abt amir's exact ethnicity since hes just. ambiguously brown. anyone from any community in any country can have the nams "amir"...)

[stray gale]

well it is still there

I just typed the url in manually

can't link it cus the bot deletes it

the other protoframes also have screenshots that correspond to their names e.g. arthur nightingale

likely amir's name might have been changed in dev from gamal to beckett, and they just lft it in in the internal files

not uncommon for that to happen

[restive river]

Def what happened

I think some others had different names too

[old dome]

if his beta name was really gamal,, then i was right abt him being arab yippee!!

[stray gale]

they could have changed it because they changed their mind about him being arab, so

I wouldn't be certain of something like that

[old dome]

i'll still take it over ambiguity

[old dome]

speaking of ethnicities,, who's minerva's va?? i cant find her on the wiki...

also who sings lamenting the days?? bc the singer isnt credited anywhere afaik. only the periphery band members + producer.

[stray gale]

elliot coleman

if you compare to other songs he sang, it's clearly him

e.g. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_4h0rlWX5lM

TESSERACT - Eden 2.0 (OFFICIAL VIDEO). Taken from the album "One", Century Media Records, 2011.Featuring new vocalist Elliot Coleman in this completely new version of "Eden". Video by Escape Plan Productions.

[mighty hinge]

Do they still have special attacks?

[brittle siren]

So is the Tenno immune to radiation ray? Since I assumed that they could stand near Qorvex and still fine

[graceful swan]

Well
You flew to the sun and didn’t get cooked

[silk atlas]

Rule of media: If you ain't touching it directly, then it's not harmful

[tall echo]

No, that's just the vehicle part of the arsenal

[tall echo]

He's from the in-universe version of the usa

[winged flume]

https://tenor.com/view/my-first-girlfriend-turned-into-the-moon-thats-rough-that-rough-buddy-avatar-avatar-the-last-airbender-gif-5710468

[lofty thistle]

spoilers for Flare and Lizzie's personal story but this lore speculation is so fun that i just have to share it
(copying the text of the post by runningwolf62 on tumblr since external links are banned)
||Okay so, not sure how I feel about possibly having dates for the Orokin empire, but if Flare's email is to be believed and I don't know how Kaya figured this out given Drifter says the Orokin destroyed records but! If all that is accurate, the comet passing by was likely Hale-Bopp, who was also the first comet where Argon was detected.
It'll be back around 4385.
#warframe#warframe 1999#Warframe spoilers#I'm just like 'Kaya HOW did you figure this out'#I was like 'the timeline is wrong it was two years earlier' but then I hit 'argon was discovered here'#and I was like 'ah. DE. You've done it again.'||

[winged flume]

It certainly seems plausible.

[woven coyote]

Kaya didnt use year dates but probably measured after the whole using drifter as a lighthouse

[lean garden]

Probably had the asteroid pass by multiple times

[lofty thistle]

I agree on this part, I think the date op uses is the earliest possible date but still an interesting speculation imo

[lean garden]

Mhmm, its too early it would seem

[sly ibex]

Well played.

I like that, and hope it's true!

[old dome]

...thats a woman's voice in the ost—

[stray gale]

lamenting the days is definitely elliot

[old dome]

then again iirc sleeping with sirens had the same vocal problem where its a man singing but if you didnt know the band you wouldnt. well. know its a man singing...

like i did... for a while.

[stray herald]

Why do the grineer call sentients ‘worms’

[proper barn]

They call everyone worms

[stray herald]

Tenno maggots

[stiff isle]

if the techrot is a hive mind, and its part of the infestation hive mind, and we rely on the infestation and are basically allies why do we kill it

and fight it

[tall echo]

We use helminth, which is a domesticated strain. The other strains are not as peaceful

[stiff isle]

ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[lean garden]

"Allies" aint really what we are

Lizzie suggests that infestation attacking us is like clearing an infection, as ironic as it sounds

[swift sentinel]

Makes sense that the greater Infestation would see the Helminth strain as a foreign body to be removed.

[lean garden]

Not helminth, us

It sees helminth as part of it

[restive river]

the infestation, other strains, even comment on how the warframes are them
Zealoid calls our frame pretty

[woven coyote]

Old term
Like one of the first mentions of the sentients ever (a.k.a mirage's quest)

Mentions worm ships

[tall echo]

The rj sentient bane mod also refers to them as worms

[sullen steppe]

glad ballas is gone..he caused way too many problems for everyone

[sullen steppe]

wait a sec.. I just realized.. those trees look like the fibers coming out of the reliquary drives and somatic links!

[vital gorge]

Yeah the Orokin tech is partly organic

thats why it looks the way it does

[strange plinth]

meat towers n all that

[vital gorge]

Mmmm canned meat

[humble sierra]

If I had to guess, maybe the Arboriform has a connection to Somatic Fibers?

[vital gorge]

Probably, the weird trees/roots are most likely some kind of combined data/power cabling

[lilac aspen]

The infested attacks the frames because it's effectively trying to get the operator out of it.

They don't hate the frames
They hate the thing piloting them

We are called a "Demon" after all by even Helminth.

[humble sierra]

It's not even the Operator, per se, it's just the Void

[lilac aspen]

Which makes sense
I, too, would be trying to fight off the Void thing piloting the bodies of fellow humans

[humble sierra]

The infestation also has a sensitivity and fear to the void, they can feel the RAP. TAP. TAP. of the heart of Deimos. I think a direct quote from the Helminth is "we fear none but the void child"

[lilac aspen]

The Void do be kinda the only thing that hard counters the Infestation

Can't infect what can be nothing and something at once. Cannot kill a Demon, only send it back to hell (and then said demon manages to crawl right back out of hell anyways)

Even the Sentients can at least be killed by the Infestation.

Void is something else.

Which is honestly terrifying when you can make a hivemind go "Hmm, Yeah no thanks. Keep that thing away."

[restive river]

Only with help with an alternate version of the demon that they help so they can help them in a never ending parafox

[feral cape]

I want the tau sentients to be completely alien to the sol sentients

Incomprehensiblly different

[restive river]

That would be cool

[viscid aspen]

hits bong what if the way we defeat the Indifference and end his threat is by making another deal with him.

We end as we began.

[winged flume]

Indifference just needs to understand that being a big meany doesn't get what it needs.

[vital gorge]

Still dont really know what we promised Wally

[winged flume]

I hope it's something iniquitous as "do you want to be my friend"?

And time and such has misconstrued the whole exchange.

[restive river]

I mean
We did offer our “light”

[tall echo]

Ballas: "You can't kill the devil"

Rell:

Important reminder that you can't hit 0 hp in operator mode

So there's no immortality, just good reflexes

[zealous schooner]

I've had this theory bouncing around my head for the past few days and I'm pretty sure it's inaccurate but i gotta mention it.

What if the Tau system is the Soulframe verse? Tbh it's probably not a good theory but figured I'd share

[hexed oxide]

actually, is there a connection between warframe and soulframe ?

[glacial bough]

No

DE have said firmly there is no connection other than homages

[hexed oxide]

: (

[restive river]

Already been disproven from the devs iirc
Also just
Doesn’t make sense
Soulframe is a binary system and has humans, Tau has neither :p

[zealous schooner]

Fair, tbh i started a month ago, all i know is tau is mentioned a lot and soulframe isn't out yet

[restive river]

Ye, I’m in preludes and there’s zero connection

Granted its pre pre pre alpha but it’s literally a binary star system lol
Tau is not from what I recall

[strange plinth]

tbf i don't think we know if Tau is the system or the planet
i feel like there's references to both

[glacial bough]

It's a system

[twin wigeon]

yk whats odd? you can't be in operator form in the backroom

[strange plinth]

everything i know of that points to planet comes from KIM dialog from drifter, so grain of salt i suppose
first two are lettie (r5c7, r3c2), the last is quincy (r3c2)

[twin wigeon]

like you can't be an operator just drifter is allowed

[strange plinth]

i mean, backroom is in 1999 and only drifter was "allowed" to go back

[twin wigeon]

yea ik its weird tho

i never noticed

[restive river]

Not odd

[restive river]

They had too

[tall echo]

Unless I'm violently misremembering, the real tau ceti is a binary system

But also. There are sentients in tau. There are none in soulframe

You missed the most obvious point

[strange turtle]

Could be both?

[strange plinth]

very possible as well, yeah

[strange turtle]

Naming the first planet planned for colonisation Tau after the system itself, kind of like how exoplanets (basically just all the ones outside our system) are named (just getting a letter put after the star name

[brittle siren]

hm isnt Lizzie and Flare relationship is like Eddie and Venom in Marvel?

[graceful swan]

Flare doesn’t like it being called Symbiotic

[brittle siren]

so does Eddie (at first)

(at least as far as I know in the movie)

[lean garden]

There is alot of violence

Because Tau Ceti is a single star

[drowsy saddle]

https://tenor.com/view/unspeakable-violence-unspeakable-violence-poke-slapping-gif-14451091994871827607

[tall echo]

Why am I stupid

[lean garden]

Not your fault, googling tau ceti pulls up an image of a binary star system

But tau ceti is a single star

[spice wedge]

Cute rabbit

[restive river]

From what I can find it is not
But also yeah there’s no sentients there
And there’s humans there

[tall echo]

Yes I have been corrected already

Disappointed in myself, I am

A strange green gremlin I must become

[normal mountain]

https://tenor.com/view/yoda-the-force-star-wars-gif-15992603181964778142

[sleek steppe]

So why can we choose lotus turn into margulis when they are both two whole different people

[vital gorge]

Its like a persona she can adopt

[tall echo]

She

1. Is a mimic
2. Was given margulis' memories and personality by ballas

[vital gorge]

In short: Ballas sucks

[tall echo]

As everyone knows

[sleek steppe]

Well the lore may be confusing but the gameplay captivates at the very least

[graceful swan]

The lore isn’t that confusing tbh

[woven coyote]

Also its lotus choosing not operator or drifter

Lotus chooses herself which voice will lead

[tall echo]

The lore is simple for a 12 year old game

[vital gorge]

the Deimos stuff is where a lot of the new things kind of kick off

[woven coyote]

Also reminder lotus is a synthetic being as are all other sentients, biological limitations dont really apply

[proper barn]

Mimic queen even.

[vital gorge]

Erra got done dirty imo

[humble sierra]

Flare doesn't like it at first because it's super early on in the situation, they still think she's evil, so they're against the idea of you giving her any benefit of the doubt.

[vital gorge]

I really need to level up Hex more

the chat conversations have been really great

[humble sierra]

For standing, the Bounties aren't too hard and it's pretty easy finding the Treasures to give to Lettie

As a bonus you get daily chemistry with the person you're on a bounty with

[vital gorge]

Oh I know, Im just kinda lazy lol

[proper barn]

ALSO the coda drop standing them when you stab

[vital gorge]

yeah

[north ferry]

Honestly, Hex felt like the easiest to level up of them all.

[sly ibex]

It can be earlier on, and if you miss details it still can be later. It does paint a fuller picture the more you progress, though. 😄

[sly ibex]

I'm just glad the medallion collecting remains a standard with 1999! It was great when they added it with the first syndicates so you can just spam a bunch of missions in a day and have plenty to turn in for days you don't play. 😄

[quick wadi]

Honestly especially if you're doing coda it's super easy to just stockpile medallions

[proper barn]

My favorite is still zariman

cuz it gives the 2nd best thing for the amount that the bounty tier was.

But coda feeding into 1999 is great.

[rotund tinsel]

When does reapers lament even fit in the timeline?

[dire mountain]

Before jade shadows

[brittle siren]

and Cetus is a constellation

this make me think Unum can help us go to Tau (def not copium)

[glossy quarry]

So, I just got done with New War, and I gotta ask this. So... is this game just a Warhammer 40k game in disguise? Cause what the hell was that ENTIRE story lol.

That felt like something straight out of 40k

less on the dark side at least for 40k standards but similarly acid-trippy

and with insane stuff being shown off lol

On a related note, this game's power system kinda gives me 40k vibes. Like, Warframes are incredibly powerful and crap but honestly it feels like we're Space Marines while everything we fight is on some insane steroids comparatively.

Like... is that fair to say?

[glacial bough]

40k has been a common comparision, yes

[glossy quarry]

At least, lore wise?

[glossy quarry]

So basically we're the Space Marines fighting a bunch of overpowered aliens and demons and crap.

with insane weapons and gear.

[glacial bough]

We're the daemons

[glossy quarry]

... Eh, that kinda checks out.

But also kinda not? Cause Daemons were like pure evil in a world full of evil or whatever.

Like yes the Orokin I think they're called were really bad but

Lotus/whatever she calls herself and us are like

morally ambiguous?

half the time?

[glacial bough]

Orokin are pure evil, Lotus and Tenno are objectively forces for good

[glossy quarry]

So in the case of like the Lotus and Tenno we are like... The Risen?

Or something like that?

cause while we originate from Orokin stuff we went down a path of good and all that.

(Idk how deep into 40k lore you are but I can explain if need be.)

basically tl;dr: The Risen are a group that were originally Dark Angels, went bad because the Dark Angels Primarch disappeared, then redeemed themselves after said Primarch came back and gave them another chance.

Obviously this is different but

cause we basically went rogue from the original Orokin to do something good.

but point stands.

[feral cape]

Were pound for the pound the toughest thing in sol

[plucky compass]

Quick shower thoughts... arthur has a scarred/blind left eye, umbra has a scarred/blind left eye, could they be... the same person?

either umbra is arthurs reincarnation, arthur went forward in time like kaya, or arthur has an alternate reality of himself where he became a dax and was punished for trying to expose ballas (kind of like eleanor and her sister/shrine maiden alternate life).

[dire mountain]

No.

[plucky compass]

Can you elaborate?

[dire mountain]

We literally saw Umbra's backstory

He was a Dax, punished for finding Ballas' plot of betraying the empire. Injected with the Helminth as punishment

We also know how Arthur got his scar

[graceful swan]

How did Arthur get his scar?

[dire mountain]

Not to mention the scars just. Being different?

[dire mountain]

When Amir was running from the Scaldra and took his injection

Arthur was there to help and attempt to calm him down

[azure jasper]

Maybe all Excal models have monopia because of Arthur's injury.

[graceful swan]

Arthur isn’t the first Excal

[dire mountain]

Why would that be the case

The orokin didn't know about him as far as we know and even if they did, I wouldnt think they'd respect him enough to do that

[azure jasper]

The Helminth might, though.

[graceful swan]

Arthur still isn’t the first Excal

[dire mountain]

And also would helminth care? It's not like it's the information that says "hey turn this guy into Excalibur" was damaged. It was literally just Arthur that got that scar

[north ferry]

I missed cool talk.

[dire mountain]

When

[north ferry]

I missed warframe and 40k talk

Also, I'm sure that DE probably thought it was cool that they had the aesthetic parallel between Umbra and Arthur for sure.

[azure jasper]

Now that time travel is a thing, whether Arthur is the first Excal or not really depends on what theory of time we're working with here, and if we want to avoid or discuss Bootstrap paradoxes.

[graceful swan]

It’s not a bootstrap

I went among the denizens of the plague year like a saviour, my hands filled with healing. To those who volunteered, I brought more than mere health. Their bodies were primed; it needed only the Helminth infusions, brought from my own time, to work the alchemy of transformation. They have become partial warframes, still in possession of their free will, yet enhanced, Void-attuned, capable.

[north ferry]

Considering Helminth and Infestation is kinda persistent through time, I haven't got all the way through the KIM stuff. They're simultaneous.

However, easy to argue it originated in the future.

[graceful swan]

Helminth came after research, it wasn’t a thing in the actual year 1999

[azure jasper]

But it's there, in 1999 now.

[dire mountain]

Its not a bootstrap because it didn't lead to the creation of itself

[plucky compass]

Eleanor had an alternate future where she was a nun/priest/shrine maiden, so anything is possible at this point

[dire mountain]

Theoretically accessible realities does not mean we will access those realities

And that's not even an alternate future? That was an alternate present? That's like the Drifter and Operator

[graceful swan]

I’m actually starting to hate Eternalism because nobody seems to use it correctly

[dire mountain]

Real

People use it as "oh um anything can happen actually"

[north ferry]

Uh, who is people? You mean DE?