lore-discussion

[old dome]

idk abt the whole of hollvania but

[humble sierra]

It's a nice theory about it being psychological, but I think some things that debunk it are the fact that Wally shows up in Duviri as a masked figure in certain spots too. But you're bang on the money about him only showing up due to fear, I'd say, and that does support your chair idea too, only slightly warps it to be more literal.

Wally first appears at the end of the War Within after Operator remembered the events of the Zariman. This is all you see of him until Chains of Harrow. The Tenno remembers more of the threat and so he gets more influence— now he can do the "Hey kiddos".

Drifter didn't remember their past until after Duviri, so they don't remember Wally too well— but they know there is something to be afraid of, which is why Wally's even more monstrous there. He's a masked figure missing a finger, with deep, demented laughter instead of a "Hey kiddo".

[graceful swan]

All the Protos remember but nothing suggests anyone else in Hollvania remembers or knows about the loop

[humble sierra]

Just the Protoframes and maybe civvies in the mall? Viktor doesn't mention anything about the loop so probably not him or Scaldra

[graceful swan]

Lizzie mentions the loop if you fail

Infested may know

[limber abyss]

i was just wondering cause i started thinking that there must be people who were just mere seconds away from death at the start of 1999. And if i was making them rememeber that then that would mean they have to relive the same few seconds of life they have left over and over and over again

[misty roost]

I have reason to believe the operator doppelganger is actually a different entity from The Man in the Wall himself. We never see him being absent a finger, but the Vagabond is. If that is the case, then the Vagabond is a different phenomenon entirely. Plus we have Whispers in Albrecht's lab showing that void doppelgangers are certainly possible. It's possible that our doppelganger is merely an enforcer for the Indifference, perhaps even a small fragment rather than the man himself. Might even spill over into some Trinitarian theology where Wally is the Indifference, The Man in the Wall is the Indifference, but Wally isn't TMiTW and vice versa, but that's me devolving into some tin-foil hattery.

[graceful swan]

No, Wally has been shown to have the ability to look however he wants to appear when meeting people

Including hiding the fact he lost a finger

[humble sierra]

Might be a step too far, there's no reason to believe the Operator appearance isn't the same entity we've been chasing this whole time

[misty roost]

there's two void clones at the end of Lotus Eaters. that alone brings into question just who or what we're dealing with

[graceful swan]

Wally can duplicate himself
Lotus Eaters didn’t have Wally appear

Whispers showed Wally can duplicate himself

Plus Murmur are also just Wally cutting himself

Also the 1999 trailer that became a gameplay thing we can do in Whispers showed both Albrecht Wally and Operator Wally

[misty roost]

when? huh?

[lean garden]

All the kids that appeared in the island of academie with all the same eyes and all the same smiles who giggle at any mention of the void would disagree

[humble sierra]

Right now, IMO, the most ambiguous thing about MITW is his conversation after The Sacrifice. I don't know how it ties into his motivations, his goals, anything, tbh.

Man in the Wall: "Feelin' better, kiddo?"
Operator: "I killed him… Isaah."
Man in the Wall: "Did you now? Is that how you remember it?"
Operator: "Yes."
Man in the Wall: "Good."

[lean garden]

Oh I got this one

[humble sierra]

He wasn't in Lotus Eaters, you mentioned the two void clones, that was at the end of Whispers

[misty roost]

Oh, right. doi, you right

[lean garden]

What is the specific thing that wally asks for

[humble sierra]

Memories?

[lean garden]

Nono, the first thing

[humble sierra]

Feelings?

[misty roost]

very tired, but still. That one scene alone proves nothing about how we got two void clones.

[lean garden]

Ding ding ding

[graceful swan]

At the end of Whispers there was Albrecht with black eyes and Wally with black eyes Wally can make multiple of himself also in Duviri Wally made a bunch of black eyed children that entered class

[lean garden]

But yes, memories important too

We have two threads (which arent mutally exclusive) to follow:
Wally wants in on the human game
Wally wants to be understood

*caveat, this is not ascribing any sort of innocent spin on wally

[humble sierra]

It's just Wally. He's amusing himself by having two figures say this little threat, this little call to action for himself. Imagine a child with finger puppets, one that's Albrecht, one that's Operator, and mix it with the child talking to itself.

[misty roost]

yeah ok, that could be

[graceful swan]

Wally duplicating himself was shown all the way back in Duviri logs

[lean garden]

Wally asks about our feelings and then our memories, because this ties into both: how do humans feel and how do humans remember

How do we experience living and how do we remember and understand living

[graceful swan]

Actually in TNW you see Operator with Lotus head and Wally as a Wall

Wally can duplicate himself and even make the clone talk

[humble sierra]

Yeah, I can see that, him saying "Good" at the end could just be him going "Oh, that's good to hear, hope you do better" but because he's new to emotion or concepts like this it comes off as threatening.

By 1999 he seems a lot more familiar with human emotion, he's got a lot more personality

Hell, maybe he got it from Rusalka, who trained in seduction tactics

[lean garden]

I dont think I can agree with that sentiment on that first paragraph. The way he delivered that good is very far from a kind "oh good"

[humble sierra]

And before then his "personality" was so childlike because he was basing it off literal Children

[lean garden]

Like if he's based off children, a kind "good" and whatever exited his mouth are two very different things

Kids can say the darnest things, but they suck at hiding what theyre feeling

[silk atlas]

This reads like those jokes talking about absolutely horrible experiments and are surprised when the experiment turns out horribly for the things being experimented on.

"Ah so that's what happens when I force children to murder their parents that I made insane. Good to know."

[humble sierra]

It could also be "Good, now you know how much the Orokin suck and that's why I want them dead, Kiddo, they took my fingers" but you'd think Wally would know how much the Tenno already hate the Orokin

[silk atlas]

This would hold more water if Wally once ever bothered to just ask for them back nicely.

It was a freak accident his fingers were cut off in the first place and Wally went straight to standing on business.

No duh the Tenno knew how much the Orokin sucked, that's why they murdered them.

[graceful swan]

If he wanted his finger back so badly all he had to do was ask

[feral cape]

Well i mean

I doubt albretch is in a hurry to give the finger back

[graceful swan]

All he needs to do is copy Albrechts appearance and ask

I’m sure someone would give it to Walbrecht

Or he could copy Loid and ask

[feral cape]

Im pretty sure albretch is the only guy who knows where the "original" is

Copying loid probably wouldn't work because albretch would be smart to know his lover boy and smart enough to think about why lover boy would want the finger

[graceful swan]

Wally could also just read Albrechts mind and find it

[woven coyote]

Actually he might not even know

Albrecht was all depressed and skinless floating in those healing baths following the aftermath of the incident, should be plenty enough time for the orokin to hide them

[feral cape]

I mean albretch probably held onto the originals

[woven coyote]

How would he?

Remember he was blind, his skin was flayed, he couldnt even speak in the aftermath

Not to mention wallowing in his pain not doing anything else

[winged flume]

I can't wait for Walbrecht to come smashing through like a crazed Lovecraftian Kaiju.

[calm folio]

Does anyone know what tool is Dual Coda Torxica assimilate from?

[woven coyote]

I think someone said drill the other day

And the infested bit does spin like a drill while shooting

[calm folio]

still has no idea about the three knobs

[strange turtle]

Plenty of time for someone loyal to Albrecht to hide them first too, though

[woven coyote]

Except then the orokin wouldnt develop void tech from the fingers

[tall echo]

Prolly just bits from some other thing

[calm folio]

and the battery placement is quite odd for a cordless drill

[strange turtle]

Or they did, just the originals were just kept in the hands of the Entrati and studied by them first

[tall echo]

Infestation isn't exactly picky with the things it consumes

Unless it's the helminth

[strange turtle]

The way the fragments word it implies he worked on the initial research on them at least, and it wouldn’t be difficult for them to just not reveal the results until after his recovery, and until then nobody would care because they’d stopped believing in his efforts by that point, and even after that until research would be done on the Void and fingers nobody would care too much either because there’d still be nothing proving the Void had any actual use at that point

[winged flume]

Looks like a power washer

[calm folio]

I thought exactly that too at first. A pressure washer handle with soap tank

but it is not an electronic

[brazen nymph]

Who is the strongest frame lorewise?

[lean garden]

Unknown, its whatever you like

[silk atlas]

Whatever is your favorite

[brazen nymph]

Umbra prime 🤑

[silk atlas]

If there was a "strongest" they wouldn't bother making the weak ones. Welcome to specialization

[tall echo]

Powerscaling cringe

[feral cape]

If had to place money on who'd win a ffa it'd be limbo

[woven coyote]

Then frost brainfreezes limbo and limbo maths himself out of the competition....again

Reminder abilities ignore the rift

[brittle siren]

Ballas said Helminth was a hybrid
Did we know what ther other half of it?

[lean garden]

Where did he say it was a hybrid?

[brittle siren]

Or maybe I reading it wrong

[lean garden]

Ah vitruvian

[feral cape]

I feel like that's just a gameplay mechanic

[brittle siren]

Eximus: allows us to muck your whole career

[feral cape]

I seriously doubt the warframe abilities actually posses the ability to strike you when you're in a separate plane of existence

[graceful swan]

Ballas: “We cultured the Infestation, conceiving of a hybrid. Transformed, but only just. The Helminth was created, born to yield these new warriors, worthy of battle against you, the great and terrible Hunhow.”

[brittle siren]

I feel like Limbo and Nova ability kinda similar, but Limbo can literally limbo into in between dimensions

Nova is more instant

[feral cape]

How do they have similar abilities

[lean garden]

Thanks

[brittle siren]

Both are teleportation (not like Ash or Loki Teleport)

[feral cape]

Nova folds and punchs a hole in spacetime to cover distance limbo just enters an entirely separate plane of existence

[brittle siren]

And what make Nova unable to punch into that plane of existence too?

[feral cape]

Because a plane of existence is not spacetime

[brittle siren]

????????

[woven coyote]

I mean i dont remember kaya talking about a time machine so she probably used a nova wormhole to time travel

[brittle siren]

It just the void, it not that deep

[feral cape]

Its the rift

A dimension between the void and real space

[brittle siren]

And what "dimension" related to? Space

It still a "place"

[feral cape]

Yea? You just called it the void

[brittle siren]

Void is also a "place", until it not

[feral cape]

That is entirely irrelevant to the conversation

[brittle siren]

It is

[woven coyote]

"I feel like that's just a gameplay mechanic"

Meanwhile kaya using wormholes to travel between time and not just space

[brittle siren]

You simply don't even know that "dimension" is also "space"

[feral cape]

Do you know what dimensions are

[brittle siren]

Like limbo just going from point A through B so he can reach C

While Nova can go from A to C

[feral cape]

She's also doing a whole lot of extra stuff besides the wormholes

[brittle siren]

Do you?

[woven coyote]

The takeaway with kaya is with enough knowledge and technique warframe powers can do way more than we expect

Unless we favour limbo and try to say nah nothing works because limbo

[feral cape]

Kaya requires a bunch of external components does she not

[brittle siren]

Let me give an example for you ok? What do you call Wally "sand" world?

[woven coyote]

Did she ever mention building a time machine?

[graceful swan]

Didn't she just manipulate Argon?

[brittle siren]

Is it called a, idk, DIMENSION?

[woven coyote]

Or did she learn time travel

[feral cape]

A space in the void that looks like that

The void in totality is a dimension

[brittle siren]

She just learn from argon, there is no argon in 1999

[woven coyote]

I think she used argon as a way to understand the properties of something
Iirc it was the relation between matter and the void

[graceful swan]

Argon Burger

[feral cape]

Id need to recheck but I'm pretty sure she mentions needing to use the Drifter as a lighthouse sorta thing and something involving the greater infested hivemind

[brittle siren]

The void is non existent, it out of space and time rule. The "physical" void like the one in our map or Duviri is actual space that have been manifested into a dimension. Same with Wally's

[woven coyote]

Yeah something to guide her, not a machine
she learned time travel instead of building a machine

[feral cape]

Congrats dimensions extend beyond space and time

[brittle siren]

It not?

You mistaken "UNIVERSE"

[feral cape]

No i haven't

You clearly do not understand what dimension means and think it is entirely limited to basis vectors

Basis vectors are a type of dimension

[brittle siren]

And even a single universe isn't infinite nor do they extend beyond time and space

[feral cape]

Which isn't what I'm talking about

The void is a dimension

The rift is a dimension

[brittle siren]

Source: dude trust me?

[normal mountain]

wonder which ones they are...

[feral cape]

The weird sand place is not a dimension it's just part of the void that looks like that

[graceful swan]

The Void isn't a universe

[normal mountain]

I don't think they're talking multiverse stuff rn

Dimension as in 1st, 2nd, and 3rd

[brittle siren]

They basically say the rift is infinite and not bound by time nor space 🤦

[normal mountain]

Well, space is the 3rd dimension
Time is theorized to be the 4th

[feral cape]

Literally where did I say this????

[brittle siren]

Har har

[normal mountain]

Okay, there is a fundamental misunderstanding here

[brittle siren]

Beyond mean it even beyond infinite time and space

You clearly glazing Limbo too much

[feral cape]

Yea and your claiming the void isn't a dimension because it's outside of space and time

[brittle siren]

Like oh wow he can transended time and space

He a literal god wowww

[feral cape]

The void is a dimension because dimensions do not have to be confined to space and time

[lean garden]

Har har thats not what that sentence means

[woven coyote]

This really isnt going anywhere

[feral cape]

R^6 is a dimension

Behold I've created and demonstrated a dimension in this very text chat

This dimension is neither time or space

Space is r^1-3 time is r^4 beyond that your guess is as good as mine

[brittle siren]

Question: are you using real world logic into, idk, a fictional story where the void that can manifest a whole world just from a single mind of a child?

[feral cape]

Where has warframe ever demonstrated its concept of dimensionality differs from the real world

[brittle siren]

Which irl, we don't even know what a "void" is

[woven coyote]

Ok lets go back to the start

This discussion is about mediocre's understanding that limbo's rift is beyond the reach of anything even warframe abilities, even nova who was shown to be capable of travelling through time and space

[feral cape]

Which I'm pretty sure she can't even do on her own and needs a bunch of outside help

[brittle siren]

Also if that the case, how his "part" suddenly scattered in Origin system? If it so "beyond" then how that happen

[brittle siren]

We talk about normal Nova for now, Kaya is special case that yet to have any confirmed on how EXACTLY she did it

[normal mountain]

He miscalculated
Why, exactly, is this important for his rift, I have little idea

[feral cape]

The rift being some grand applications of physics is very funny to me

[brittle siren]

Where did he wanted to go anyway

[normal mountain]

I think he was doing a 'rift jump' whatever that means
And he wanted to go farther than he had before

[woven coyote]

It really depends on where we draw the line between gameplay and lore

Because in gameplay we can see everything from the real space when inside the rift, meaning information is passing through to it, maybe even light

[normal mountain]

Been a bit since I did Limbo Theorem

[woven coyote]

But if we assume that the rift is really that innaccessible to everything then we have to throw out all gameplay elements of limbo's

[feral cape]

Based on what we can infer it's like a backdrop to physical reality

[woven coyote]

And are left with basically nothing except lol mathing wrong kills you

[normal mountain]

you mean Limbo has access to the backrooms?

[feral cape]

If the real world and void are 2 sheets of paper glued together the rift is that incredibly minute space between the sheets

[normal mountain]

Bad joke, sorry

[woven coyote]

Then it would probably be far more "reachable" than your arguments assume

Especially for void derived warframe powers

[feral cape]

Sure with a grand enough application and understanding of the dude it's totally physics i promise

I swear the rift is physics and limbo inverted horizon mass which i can really assume nothing about

Even drew was quite stumped his best guess in inverting the total mass of the event horizon

[brittle siren]

Tbh reading the "quest" again, it sound so, empty

Like we just know that he miscalculated and died

The end, no explanation

[feral cape]

Inverting void quanta which i don't remember what quanta is

And inverting the horizon mass

[brittle siren]

And what even the rift is, we don't even know. It have the same texture ingame like any portal, from Nova to Simaris one etc

"This is Limbo, master of the rift.
In a land of both shadow and substance, Limbo is both nowhere and everywhere."

-Lotus

[woven coyote]

Unless you are a corpus camera, then he is definetely right there and the alarms are sounding

Which is really funny
How come limbo avoids lasers but not cameras?

[feral cape]

Cameras got a guy looking at them ig

[brittle siren]

Yeah idk how true it is, Nova can travel light speed now

[feral cape]

I mean yea wormholes are ftl travel

[brittle siren]

Btw is it kinda strange that there is nothing near the sun to collect the energy directly

[feral cape]

Speed is just d/t wormholes make t infinitely approach 0 in novas case so covering any amount of distance would be ftl

[feral cape]

There's an entire dimension of energy to harvest who cares about a Dyson sphere

[brittle siren]

I mean in real life people has scenarios that advanced civilization build things around a star to use it energy

Btw the Limbo thing. I think he could only tap into the rift, not completely

[silk atlas]

WF also has mega-dense fuel rods so the Dyson sphere seems like more hassel than worth bothering for.

[feral cape]

Guh

[brittle siren]

Because Ordis said we should be careful when using him

So I think the gameplay is kinda true

[feral cape]

Ordis said we should be careful because the original limbo killed himself trying to cover distance

[brittle siren]

We never go into the rift completely

[silk atlas]

Gallos Rods are "antimatter fuel rods", apparently.

[feral cape]

Tf

[brittle siren]

Like if we are in the rift
How the camera still see us, or literally anyone could still see us

[graceful swan]

I have a headache trying to figure out what a Dyson Sphere is

[feral cape]

Because they can?

[lean garden]

Lmao, mediocre you gotta show that to that goober who was swearing up and down about antimatter

[brittle siren]

Basically a "shell" that surrounds a star to collect the energy directly

[silk atlas]

What goober this sounds hilarious

[lean garden]

Big ball around star to maximise energy generation

[feral cape]

The guy that was saying nova defied the laws of logic?

From the other day

[brittle siren]

It kinda funny, even Kaya and og Nova can portal through wall but gameplay we can't

[lean garden]

Yea

[feral cape]

Perchance

Sci fi writers sometimes upset me because they do not understand the scale of things in terms of power and actual distance

[brittle siren]

What 💀

What rules specifically

[feral cape]

1. A statement implies itself.
2. P cannot be the same as not P.
3. Nothing can be neither P nor not P.

The simple rules

The 3 axioms laid out by Greek philosophers

Im pretty sure it's greek

[silk atlas]

The Grineer being terribly inefficient does sound right up their alley

[feral cape]

I don't understand how you could be inefficient with antimatter

[brittle siren]

I mean they were rule by a literal child (at the momment)

[feral cape]

There's not a whole lot to do when it comes to blowing up antimatter

Take the antimatter and touch it to its regular matter counterpart

[silk atlas]

I still don't understand antimatter

[feral cape]

Spins the other way

[lean garden]

Is matter but it goes the other way

[feral cape]

Same fella then said eternalism defies the 3rd rule the rule of non contradiction

[lean garden]

You know how beyblades are usually right spinning, but then sometimes there are some which are left spinning?

✨antimatter ✨

[woven coyote]

If only physics class was taught through beyblade battles

[normal mountain]

Lol, I have one that spins either way
the spinner it came with was a left spinner tho

...now I wonder if it would be theoretically possible to turn matter into antimatter just by reversing its spin

Probably be much more complicated than that tbh

Be horribly funny tho

[old dome]

til that dagath says "hiya!" in her idle animation (the one that summons the kaithe)...

[winged flume]

I hope this game isn't in the end game/finale to say, I love this game, why do I feel like things are coming to a crescendo?

[old dome]

it isnt,,, theres still many things to do plot-wise, starting w the void

[restive river]

It very much is not lol

I doubt Warframe will end anytime soon tbh

There’s so much potential for what they can do with what they’ve already setup and who knows what more they have

Heck the void itself is an avenue for them to do whatever
They do things cause they’re cool and they can always come up with cool stuff

Or even go to the community

[tall echo]

Not exactly but sure

[brittle siren]

Well by age she much older than a child but her attitude is a child

[tall echo]

You are quite wrong, as there is at least one more possible big update for after the current story arc

[tall echo]

Average orokin behavior

[brittle siren]

Not really, their mind has gone degenerated after so many Transference on Grineer leftover body

[tall echo]

Almost every orokin we've encountered has been very childish

[brittle siren]

But they are not when they first rule the Grineer lmao

[old dome]

it can be actually,, considering a lot of the atoms & subatoms' movements are spin-y as far as i remember from my nuclear physics class........

[humble sierra]

The reason it feels like that is because a 9 year plot thread is concluding.

I don't think the game has any threads to follow that were set up quite to that extent, besides Tau

[woven coyote]

where i live parents would faint if teachers dared to want fun classes for their students

[winged flume]

But, I don't want the story to end.

[restive river]

All good stories must end, otherwise they aren’t good stories

As for Warframe as a whole though, I can’t see it ending for a while

Like
Seriously I don’t think the devs will end it for a while, current stories and arcs yes but not the game, there are always more stories that can be told

[brittle siren]

We still don't have real alien yet, like all the living thing we met is either clone, modified human, normal A human or eldritch void entity

[humble sierra]

Oh, there's plenty we don't have, I'm just saying there's not too many storylines currently in the game that might become the next "big bad"

[brittle siren]

Ah forgot robot that can adapt, hive mind made of flesh and probably mix with machine

[humble sierra]

Ballas kinda came out from nowhere which was fine because it suited the character in a way, and more importantly he was the main questline's big focus for a while

[brittle siren]

Imagine a galactic empire from the other galaxy (I definitely not a Star War fan, not at all )

[brittle siren]

He not really come out of nowhere, due to all the info from Orokin time is almost gone

And we heard his whispering before Umbra quest iirc

[humble sierra]

I'm just saying there was no set up to him appearing, completely alive, before that

[brittle siren]

Ah yeah that

[humble sierra]

MITW had a little jumpscare at the end of War Within-- and was teased within the quest too-- and basically was a shadowy figure until The New War (and we were more focused on Ballas, anyways) which is why I say he was set up better in comparison

[brittle siren]

It still make sense though. He a jerk but he is pretty smart, he planned the Tenno betrayal and secretly shake hand with Erra etc. DE executed him right

[humble sierra]

Yeah no doubt, it works for the character

[brittle siren]

We still have that person that leave Kuria all over the place that has yet to be appeared

[humble sierra]

I'm just saying I hope the next big threat is also set up. I don't want to defeat MITW, then suddenly a space army shows up from a void portal-- it would be super cool, but I don't want it to be sudden

Even just a couple garbled transmissions in a quest with alien chatter

tiny little setups for the next big thing

[brittle siren]

Yeah, I really can't wait for what DE cooking next

Void War arc is still happening

Idk how DE gonna make Wally final confrontation quest as big as New War

I hope Parvos has a direct role in this quest since he was hinting to know the void really well

(I mean Wally wouldn't pass a chance to make a deal with Parvos)

[north ferry]

Evil Tenno

[brittle siren]

I mean Rell was temporarily evil in Wally influence until we let him rest

And that was terrifying

[north ferry]

True

[brittle siren]

Like he managed to make his image appear everywhere and do dmg to us and he still unscathed

If Wally successful taken over him, we would all doomed

Don't forget the mass mind control

[north ferry]

Hmm, now I'm certain the similarity between that and Rusalka is already noticed.

[brittle siren]

Rell by far is the most powerful Tenno, maybe even on par with the Drifter

[north ferry]

I mean, we fight assorted enemy frames but a coordinated current enemy Warframe force would be interesting. We have Stalker and Acolytes, Junction Guardians and such already.

[brittle siren]

The guardian are just specter iirc

Acolytes lore need expand tbh, they make no sense

[north ferry]

Lotus describes them as empty frames, infestation. Which is different to specters as I understand.

[brittle siren]

It's weird that they appear in 1999 but the Stalker can't

[north ferry]

They had lore in the event they released in but I have no idea about any of that and I had timd locked event lore

[brittle siren]

My theory that they all dead and what we saw is mere illusion
Or they was assisted by Wally

[north ferry]

They're more a gameplay mechanic than stalker.

[brittle siren]

It would make more sense to Acolytes is Tenno that shake hand with Wally

Since I doubt all the Tenno is good

There has to be some of them are bad person and Wally used it as advantages

[brittle siren]

Yeah I know, but even Cross Play is canon in lore, I think DE could make Acolytes make sense too

The only thing that not make sense is 1999 enemy has Jade light

In the present, Grineer can copy corpus tech, Infested used body of Corpus and copy it make sense

Techrot is also make sense if we consider that their hivemind transcended through time

But Scaldra is just... stupid

They could just make new eximus like gas eximus or sth

Aka the only element that doesn't have eximus unit

Ah radiation too but that too annoying

[mild compass]

we need tau

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1338168388672815244/1354936501217136680/IMG_0023.gif

[brittle siren]

Imagine Tau explode

[winged flume]

I can seeTau (Tau Ceti?) being like 13 worlds to explore with about 4 open roam places; like the Sol/Origin system.

New Sentients to see and possibly new, alien life; not future humanity, to explore and meet too. I hope.
Maybe new Murmur too.

Pragasa's sister... to talk to. Yes I know she canonically doesn't have one.... yet.

I feel we need to wake Hunhow to get there. I feel he hid another way back to Tau.

[brittle siren]

I mean they themselves go from Tau to Origin System

So ofc they know da wae

[restive river]

From what I’m finding this is what Tau ceti looks like

[winged flume]

Oooh, IRL Tau Ceti. Rad.

[restive river]

Which is probably what they’d base it off of :p

At least for the number and types of planets

[winged flume]

I hope we get to see our Orbiter take off from Earth. Like this majestic beast lift off.

Not our lander, the whole Orbiter.

[restive river]

We’d be using a rail to get to Tau btw

[winged flume]

Doesn't mean we can't go in style.

Oooh, I hope Nora comes along for the trip. I'd like her to be more in the story too.

[restive river]

That’d be cool

[autumn sleet]

Do we know how Cy- I mean, I got glassed

[restive river]

No

[brittle siren]

I mean it just like any other Cephalon tbh

[restive river]

They mean what did they do to get glassed

[brittle siren]

Ah ok

My headcanon is he himself want to contribute to the RJ army, since beside Ordis he the most human Cephalon we ever seen

Beside Nihil ofc

[autumn sleet]

awh. I was hoping we had something:/ I wanna remember what I did TwT

[brittle siren]

I wish we can make him work for us instead of just a decoration

[restive river]

Being glassed was a punishment for the most part iirc

[restive river]

We’d be as bad as the Orokin then tbh

Forcing a glassed individual to do our bidding

[autumn sleet]

I just wanna talk to me

[restive river]

Go play railjack

[autumn sleet]

Hear my old stories

I do. Why do you think I'm me xd

[restive river]

Lol

Could always replay the quest

[brittle siren]

I mean he is the Orokin, and seem like his "glassed" process is less painful since he not forcing any principles upon him

[restive river]

Or watch someone do it

[autumn sleet]

Yeah but...eugh I hated a certain part of it

[restive river]

Can’t really make him work for us without 1. Letting him go to a degree and 2. Forcing precepts on him

[brittle siren]

(Like other Cephalon has to follow their "proxies"?)

[restive river]

Precepts

[brittle siren]

Yeah but we can make a deal ✨

[restive river]

All cephalons have precepts
Minus Nihil, he’s just a mess

[restive river]

LOL yeah I don’t think that’s happening

He wouldn’t make a deal with us

[brittle siren]

Nah same, it sound funny

Btw does the glassing process not exist anymore?

[restive river]

If we want him to work for or with us he needs precepts and forcing that on him would make us like them

[restive river]

Nihil was the last person to know how to do it and he’s busted up

[brittle siren]

Beside what Nihil did ofc

[brittle siren]

Yeah

[restive river]

Like that’s why it was weird people were being glasses

Iirc Nora thought someone figured it out but nah, twas just Nihil

Glassing people from the weave

Then we beat him so hard his brain broke and put him in a jar :)

[brittle siren]

Still we make friend with Entrati family (including Loid), who said that we can't make Nihil "soft" even for a single bit of moment

But that would be lame tbh

He deserve to stuck in there forever

I wonder if there is a way to extract Cephalon memory

Ah wait, I forgot that Hunhow can

Let give a tyrant to another (kind of) tyrant

We don't need to do anything, let Hunhow satisfied in vengeance

[restive river]

The Entrati are a different situation, they needed our help and are half infested, we gained their trust and love from healing their bonds and helping them to be better
Meanwhile Loid isn’t even an Orokin

But Nihil? He clearly hates us too much, not a team player, no way for us to connect with him

It’s not impossible but it’d be difficult and tbh probably not worth it

[brittle siren]

Yeah

[restive river]

Let the glasser sit in his jar with his broken pieces

[brittle siren]

Time for space grandpa to do some hacking trick

[restive river]

Hunhow, extract everything of value from Nihil

[brittle siren]

Imagine they Nihil in Tau quest

Since he the only Executor that technically still alive

He may have valuable info

Btw, does we know when did Nihil get remove from the Seven?

[restive river]

Unknown if he was ever part of the seven??

[feral cape]

It might

[feral cape]

I believe drifter refers to nihil as an Executor

Which means i believe out of the non entrati orokin only 2 are not executors

[feral cape]

Now mind you the entrati make up for more than 50% of the orokin we know which is a little silly

Or actually it's maybe 50%

Actually

I forgot about grandmas Halloween stories

[restive river]

executor =/= one of the seven
no?

[winged flume]

#BallasIsn'tDead

[feral cape]

Im team executor= one of the 7

[restive river]

He is.

[proper barn]

Incorrect. We could see a void specter but that's not Ballas.

[twin wigeon]

he got soul sucked theres no way he isn't dead

[brittle siren]

Btw from Ivara story, Executor is the Seven

And even Grey Archon acknowledged this

[gentle wave]

So the efervon h-09 tank has a crew inside, probably they are more techrot when the techrot takes over the tank during a fight

That is a weird and horrorific way to go

[twin wigeon]

likely

then again, we've likely seen and done worse

[gentle wave]

Hi Arthur

[twin wigeon]

Umbruh

[gentle wave]

[brittle siren]

I mean they probably dead when us use the gun on the top to shoot down. If not the impact when the tank falling down already crushing them

[azure elm]

what is the lore implication of an umbra player running laps around the room im downed in but not reviving me

[twin wigeon]

umbra only likes his operator and thus opts to fight for them, he cares not for others

[azure elm]

when I have full stacks of molt I legit feel like a cod player, pls rez i have ray gun

[twin wigeon]

molt?

[azure elm]

molt augment

[twin wigeon]

oh

oh right

then again molt is a arcane set

[azure elm]

https://tenor.com/view/grr-angry-tim-robinson-ea-skate-skateboarding-gif-780834964534338296

[humble sierra]

Nah, if they bring him back it'll be terrible storytelling imo

Him in Duviri is fine because it's not actually him

[azure elm]

hes the rabbit right? I was playing duviri and during the GO game his lines were in the captions

[dire mountain]

Thats just a bug

[azure elm]

aH

[proper barn]

You actually play a rabbit that eats all the pieces that's why he wins against me.

[brittle siren]

I feel like he care for us like his long lost son

[brittle siren]

Imagine somehow Duviri army help Drifter fight Wally and "Warden" just yapping and get stomp on instantly the moment he got out

[proper barn]

I KNOW HE'S EATING THE PIECES

I can't be this bad at komie.

[brittle siren]

Also did DE change the rabbit AI

I can't use the same "cheat" on it anymore

[azure elm]

i just use the cheese method

[proper barn]

He got better at eating pieces.

[brittle siren]

Nvm I played it wrong

I was stoopy

[reef sandal]

is profit taker alive

[proper barn]

The orbs are made with sentients brains probably.

[restive river]

Cores?

[proper barn]

MAYBE?

i remember something about them being sentient tech

and the profit taker talks about like the pale star or something.

[restive river]

They are sentient tech yes

I think that’s how they have their adaptability

Also the orb valis corpus are experimenting with sentient-corpus hybrid tech

Which is funny cause later salad makes the amalgams, using corpus people with sentients
quite the step up from the weapons and orbs tbh

though that was also with help from Natah iirc

[proper barn]

NARMER ORB NARMER ORB NARMER ORB.

[twin wigeon]

NO

NTY

[humble sierra]

Nah he's the warden at Kullervo's hold. The whole island is Kullervo's manifestation, feeling guilty for various things, which is why he's imprisoned. He views Ballas as his jailer.

His voicelines during Komi might be a bug, it wasn't there before the Techrot Encore update, I think. But then it could also be intentional, Ballas plays Komi with Umbra and controls his moves after a certain point

[proper barn]

WHY NOT?

[opal girder]

If a warframe like jade was pregnant before becoming one then how come other made frames don't carry characteristics of their human side?

[proper barn]

they do animations prove this from the drifter kim messages also mirage also dagath. also jade was made to keep it as a punishment by ballas.

So yes and this one was a punishment. umbra was a swordsman.

So turned into Excal.

Flare aka temple being a rocker frame.

Mirage literally made Ballas make her into a trickster frame.

@opal girder

Trying to think about others.

[twin wigeon]

dante?

no dante was likely always a warframe but idk

[proper barn]

Kullevro maybe?

[twin wigeon]

no his mannerisms are bc of his guilt hence all the stabbing in his animations

[proper barn]

Gara i guess was a dax she was turned into a glass frame but she was still a guardian.

[swift sentinel]

Lavos was probably an independent Warframe back when he was a prison warden.

[proper barn]

Not a warden

he was just sent there to be a guard and then kill The alchemist.

[twin wigeon]

he just happened to learn from said alchemist :>

[swift sentinel]

Got the wording mixed up.

[azure elm]

i still want an oro frame, like a chess rook that uses the tower tech the orokin use

a rook with ayatan themeing

[restive river]

They were a human once
All warframes were
That’s the point

[twin wigeon]

fair

[restive river]

Dante was the smartest though
And probably the most civilized

Dude could write
That alone was huge for a warframe

[azure elm]

privileges of having access to entratis labs

dante pre warframe was likely an orokin scholar and friend of entrati

[twin wigeon]

eh not so smart that he'd willingly confront wally and his emissaries in the labs

despite being warned not to by drusus or rather promising drusus he wouldn't

[azure elm]

another symptom of being entratis friend I think

fight fight, against the dying of the light and what not

[twin wigeon]

i don't think he's a friend of entrati and he's more of a fan of his work

[proper barn]

orokin don't get turned into warframes.

it's the rabble.

[twin wigeon]

Dagath tho she's a dax

[proper barn]

She's not a orokin.

that's not what orokin means.

[twin wigeon]

are dax not orokin soldiers? mb

[azure elm]

when I say orokin I mean the general population of the orokin empire, but then theres like, Orokin in caps

[twin wigeon]

they are not

[proper barn]

they are elite soilders/bodyguards for the orokin.

otherwise TEshin would be BLue.

[twin wigeon]

Teshin is instead grey (bc he's dead and a hologram)

[azure elm]

https://tenor.com/view/warframe-erra-gif-24254941

[twin wigeon]

Another one for the reject pile.

[azure elm]

this gif befuddles me, i have no idea where its from

its erra without the glowing red eyes, and a different dax?

[restive river]

No that was later.

Dante got access when he went exploring down there

[proper barn]

Oh i mean sure. I don't know if we have any archmedians turned into warframes confirmed.

[restive river]

He more so broke in really from what I recall
The Entrati have nothing to do with Dante’s intelligence

[twin wigeon]

thats the prime resurgence dax (forgor her name buts she's popular)

[azure elm]

she fought erra?

[proper barn]

yeah

Variza yes you can even say "ERRA?"

[restive river]

Varzia

[proper barn]

to her ever since she's been there.

[restive river]

Varzia x Maroo when

[twin wigeon]

this was during a memory during the old war where Lotus shows up with us in tow and we blast Erra

[proper barn]

I'll GO THERE RIGHT NOW

[proper barn]

i think that's her plan.

[restive river]

Good

[azure elm]

varzia x anyone willing

[proper barn]

EHHH

[azure elm]

thats her plan

[twin wigeon]

nah pretty sure varzia has eyes for teshin only

[restive river]

Primarily maroo

[proper barn]

attraction/wanting to DATE not same.

[restive river]

No, she absolutely has eyes for Maroo

[proper barn]

Very different.

[restive river]

She is a bisexual queen and you will respect her

She
Literally wants both of them lmao

[proper barn]

she thinks Teshin is hot but she actually wants to like be in a relationship with Maroo.

is still my take.

[azure elm]

she'll also flirt with the player, so based on your own characterizing she can be pan

[proper barn]

also we have many bi and gay characters.

[restive river]

Also Teshin is gone and Maroo is standing in the same relay as her

[twin wigeon]

"Teshin. I dunno if I wanna slam him against a wall or have him slam me against one." - varzia

[restive river]

Her being into Teshin wasn’t in question?

[azure elm]

I HEARD THIS RELAY IS FILLED WITH RARE AYATAN TREASURES

[proper barn]

i can get you the maroo dialog.

[restive river]

The entirety of the Hex:

[proper barn]

Also like i said this doesn't disagree with us @twin wigeon

[twin wigeon]

oh yeah no i agree she's pan or bi

[restive river]

Varzia is like
The most confirmed bi/pan character aside from the hex lol

And ig our drifter

oh and that orokin couple with dagath

[proper barn]

Yeah she had this dialog since release.

it says "erra" on it.

[twin wigeon]

our drifter is a paracausal cosmic entity

or smth like that idk words

[proper barn]

yes. so gender isn't real.

so like do you disagree?

[restive river]

well they’re human

just human+

[twin wigeon]

no disagree here

[proper barn]

you'll lose.

[twin wigeon]

yes i love human+

[restive river]

people in the future in general view gender as just
whatever you want it looks like

The orokin were chill with being with whoever
Ticker is free to be herself (aside from the financial oppression)
Our tenno doesn’t see swapping gender as an issue

[twin wigeon]

most people now in general view gender as just
a social construct tbf

[restive river]

Or if it is it isn’t a big issue

[restive river]

As they should

[twin wigeon]

id love to swap my drifter's gender :< he would look and sound sm better as a girl

[proper barn]

You can?

[twin wigeon]

you can? WHAT

[proper barn]

There's no man or woman button.

There's just different body types and some of then are feminine. Also you can use any voice

With any body type.

[twin wigeon]

hold up lemme boot up wf

[proper barn]

Your tenno and drifter don't even have to be the same

[restive river]

You can be a woman with a beard and whatever voice you want if you so choose

[proper barn]

Body type

[restive river]

This is why I say the Hex are pan lol

[restive river]

I know it’s gameplay/cosmetic > lore probably but I like to think we can swap on the fly
The Orokin had amazing tech for this stuff and we clearly have some of it

[proper barn]

Nah it's lore

I'm saying it Is.

[restive river]

yippee

I wonder if we could get that tech to ticker and others who may need it

Everyone’s needs are different though

[proper barn]

Also the gender doesn't matter thing is like actually lore. I think we can change completely at will cuz we are like over 50% void.

[restive river]

Ye
Also idk if 50% exactly but sure yeah

[twin wigeon]

we're like human flavored void

[proper barn]

Other void beings call us void beings

[restive river]

like we are most certainly still human
just with a piece of mr in the wall

[proper barn]

We also have enough void power to sustain the holdfasts

[restive river]

We’re human+chunk o’ waldo

[twin wigeon]

we're demons 😄 courtesy of the helminth

[graceful swan]

Just a gift

[proper barn]

I think we control it enough to be our own.

[restive river]

So does Wally’s finger ;)

[proper barn]

Anyway you see what I meant?

[restive river]

Oh absolutely
Plus he willingly gave it to us

[twin wigeon]

i think its the reliquary drive that sustains the holdfasts

[proper barn]

Yes but then no.

[restive river]

I just realized he can talk to us through and appear to us through it because it’s a part of him, like the reliquary drive

[proper barn]

They give a speech about how it's what I said.

[restive river]

The angels
Not the holdfasts

We sustain the holdfasts so they don’t turn into angels

[proper barn]

I would say yes

[twin wigeon]

then why do the angels want to hurt the reliquary in void arma

[proper barn]

And more us than that over time.

[restive river]

Our light > wally’s finger’s light

[restive river]

They want to feed off it not hurt it

[proper barn]

Make it explode open the void rift.

[restive river]

Which feeding off it is also not good

[twin wigeon]

oh

yummers for them ig

[restive river]

More yummy void energy

Listen
Let’s find a way to save the angels by transforming them back and having them feed from us instead

void liches where we save the ghost crew

[brittle siren]

Prioritize our parent first

[proper barn]

Wally used the Void angles to attack us In the labs so Like I think he could just trying make them destroy the Zariman and thus let the gaint void rift flood into the system.

[restive river]

Problem: we have to find them first.

[restive river]

That too ye
They are also def hungry tho too

They became angels from feeding from the finger

[proper barn]

Sure both things can be true.

[restive river]

Which I wonder if they were conceptually embodied that way

[proper barn]

@twin wigeon did you check your drifter body type?

[brittle siren]

It's funny that in EDA when we died we was assumed to turn into Void Angel

[twin wigeon]

also i can't change body type

[restive river]

I mean Wally wanting an army isn’t an impossible idea

[proper barn]

Why not,

[graceful swan]

Wally didn’t use the Angels to attack us in the labs they just went where the biggest meal was

[restive river]

Change your face

[proper barn]

Oh yeah that's the button.

[restive river]

Which was also Wally lol

[brittle siren]

His murmur army is nigh infinite but they pretty weak against us

[swift sentinel]

Teshin implies that the Indifference can direct the Angels when you do Undercroft missions.

[restive river]

He has the biggest carrot on a stick

[twin wigeon]

yep that works

[restive river]

Yeah, so he made some stronger soldiers
Also I can totally see him using them against us emotionally

[brittle siren]

The necramechs are tankier than the void creature just insane

[restive river]

Like c’mon
We’re on our way to kick his butt but he drops two void angels on us
Oops
It’s our parents
Time to breakdown cause this is traumatic all over again

Especially since, no matter how you put it, we killed them / let them die.

[swift sentinel]

We already killed them once

[proper barn]

That's also how the operator works. Also like we said you can use any voice. 2 of them are more feminine.

[brittle siren]

I wonder how did they died anyway

Like exactly how

[restive river]

We void beam them probably

Or let the other kids do it

[brittle siren]

Isn't one of the Kim choice is left them died out?

[restive river]

No matter what we are responsible for their death

[brittle siren]

Though tbh, that Drifter story, we don't know if it the same for OP

[restive river]

We killed them

[proper barn]

These are all the war within choices

Btw

[swift sentinel]

Yes. We get a couple of choices for how it played out.

[restive river]

And Drifter’s choices

[restive river]

Drifter just didn’t have a void beam if you had them kill them directly

[restive river]

The goat had to do what he had to do
Rest in peace Rell

[brittle siren]

Btw, Rell mother was really good at reading room, she somehow feel danger and lead Rell to hide with other Tenno

(But fail anyway because of that single jerk)

[restive river]

not surprising when everything was awful anyway on the zariman

thanks tuvul.

wish we coulda seen how he died
But I’ll take Voruna devouring him either way

[graceful swan]

Thanks Hombask for starving us

[brittle siren]

RIP Kay, you did good as the mother

[restive river]

I’ll hang his bones from my wall

[restive river]

Hombask >>>> Tuvul

[brittle siren]

Maybe her wolf did, idk if Voruna have mouth to eat

[restive river]

She does iirc
Either way her wolves are part of her

[brittle siren]

Fresh golden lord meat

[proper barn]

i still think Hombask did what she thought was right.

[restive river]

I wonder what color these false gods bleed

[proper barn]

and I AGREE WITH HER.

[brittle siren]

So we don't know who is the body that Tuvul transferred into?

[restive river]

Voruna’s operator

[brittle siren]

(Intended to transfer)

[restive river]

He tried and failed

[proper barn]

he wanted to use Vorunas tenno yeah.

[brittle siren]

Did that op lived?

[proper barn]

yes.

[restive river]

Unknown

[proper barn]

oh yeah unknow.

[restive river]

I mean
Post encounter with Tuvul

We know she walked away but we know nothing about her

Other than she controlled Voruna

[brittle siren]

At that time Lotus had not yet put all Tenno to sleep right?

[restive river]

And killed Tuvul

[swift sentinel]

Last we know, Voruna carries the Operator out of the room

[restive river]

They were asleep

[brittle siren]

Already? During the fall I mean

[restive river]

Yeah :p

[swift sentinel]

Probably back to the room with all the sleeping pods.

[restive river]

The tenno were in the second dream for the old war
Once transference was discovered

[brittle siren]

Yeah maybe she bring that OP back to Lotus, since it still on Lua

[restive river]

Iirc they were already in one

She had her second dream moment
She was likely the first one tbh

[brittle siren]

I wish we have more Tenno npc

[proper barn]

we have zero

so yes we should have more.

[brittle siren]

Like I know other player is other Tenno but I want actual npc

[twin wigeon]

yay my operator looks cuter now

[proper barn]

WELL rell.

[restive river]

We have some aboard the zariman during tnw but that’s about it

[brittle siren]

Please bring da Thrax boi out, he need more love

[proper barn]

Remember to change their voice.

[swift sentinel]

Rell, sort of, for a little bit, but he's dead now.

[twin wigeon]

did

[brittle siren]

(Still stingy though)

[proper barn]

thrax isn't a tenno.

[restive river]

rip buddy ):

[proper barn]

But he could use more Screen time.

[twin wigeon]

Thrax is a figment of our imagination

[restive river]

thrax is just drifter’s imaginary friend dreamt up from a funny book

[brittle siren]

Technically, he is, from Teshin word and from the concept art I think

[swift sentinel]

Thrax is the Drifter making a friend, a literal imaginary friend.

[brittle siren]

Idk how Thrax has that much power

[restive river]

No… Teshin was wrong about Thrax and that concept art is just that

[brittle siren]

(Well ofc it's our power)

[restive river]

Thrax is a conceptual embodiment, same as Duviri.

[brittle siren]

Ah yeah

[swift sentinel]

Thrax is also the Drifter themselves, as King of Duviri

[twin wigeon]

would be nice if we got more tenno maybe like a whole syndicate of other tenno

[restive river]

Thrax is not human
He is not a tenno
He’s the child king of Duviri

[twin wigeon]

so if i hate duviri does that mean i hate myself?

[proper barn]

no

who told you this? who lied to you?

[restive river]

I mean in a way Duviri is the Drifter
It’s everything they were
And yet the individuals of it are still just that as they are born from the book first, Drifter second

[brittle siren]

Unrelated, does the Grandma involve in any Quill business? On Earth we have Onkko and Venus we have Ducky

[restive river]

yesn’t

[proper barn]

no?

[restive river]

No

[twin wigeon]

Grandma? No. Father, yes in a way but with (Necra)Loid

[brittle siren]

Not really, you just hate the Mother storytelling skill 💔

[twin wigeon]

no, i like mother and her voice i just hate duviri

[brittle siren]

Iirc the Father once a crew in RJ
Which is strange on why an Orokin is on RJ ship

[brittle siren]

But she made da characters, da plot thicken 💔

(Sorry)

[proper barn]

Orokin where soilders. just not as often. Father seems to be a lower level orokin that was a solider/weapons expert.

https://tenor.com/view/heavy-tf2-heavy-weapons-guy-heavy-weapons-meet-the-heavy-gif-3724261338334466794

[restive river]

Bro made big tin buckets for combat

[proper barn]

Father

[brittle siren]

And Albrecht just made a whole Necramech factory under the Father nose

And they are even stronger than the one that on Deimos surface

[proper barn]

together with

[brittle siren]

(Maybe since they are not broken)

[twin wigeon]

bro made the tinmen which have transference capabilities but also autonomous function

[swift sentinel]

Less degraded in the Labs, but more corrupted.

[brittle siren]

I wonder why Necramech fail to fight the Sentient

[twin wigeon]

They stupid :p

[brittle siren]

But we can ride it though

[twin wigeon]

that's why we pilot them bc they dumb

[swift sentinel]

Brute force, no finesse, or something. Father does say why right near the start of Heart of Deimos

[brittle siren]

Lv9999 Necramech: say sike now

[restive river]

Iirc they don’t use transference?

[twin wigeon]

they don't but are capable of being controled via transference

[brittle siren]

In gameplay we can (obviously)

[restive river]

Ye

[brittle siren]

He and Loid even said we not ready yet (before we do Second Dream)

I think so

[restive river]

I forgot the term they used for the necramechs

[swift sentinel]

Like Golden Maws, it appears Transference can be used on Orokin tech

[twin wigeon]

well maws are very void related as they exist to eat up any conceptual embodiments that happen to occur

or was that orowyrms?

[swift sentinel]

I think that's orowyrms

[restive river]

I believe that’s just speculation

the purpose of the orowyrms, and if they even exist outside of duviri is unknown

I mean ofc we see some in the void but we don’t know if they come from Duviri or what

They likely exist more so as a teaser for Duviri tbh

As for the maws we see them in two places
In our dream tutorial during the war within and in Duviri
So in one case we don’t know if they’re actually real and in the other they’re just part of Duviri, another conceptual embodiment same as the Kaithes, paragrims and fish

Heck the two maws don’t even live in the same environment
One seems to live in a pack and swimming through bones while the other seems to be a solo hunter in ponds

[brittle siren]

Imo I think the Maw we saw in War Within is just the OP remember it as a monster in Duviri and manifest it as a obstacle

I mean it eat normal fish

[restive river]

I was thinking that too, they read about a scary thing in a book and it manifested in their trauma dream

I mean heck the Operator would’ve also read about Duviri lol

[brittle siren]

Yeah it popular to the point even Kaithe figurines is seen in many places

[restive river]

And stickers

[strange plinth]

for some reason i never thought about the operator having the duviri book too

[restive river]

Also the book was made for the kids of the Zariman
Likely required reading

Same as the lessons for the adults iirc

The maws in the war within dream being from the Operator reading about them is honestly a more fun idea than them just existing ngl

Which ig now they do anyway since
Duviri
Just not as bone-swimming monsters

[brittle siren]

Though is the adult in Zariman (beside the crew) are also been teached those lesson too? Or just their child only?

[restive river]

Adults too, though different

Iirc you can find them at the archabor!
In the puzzle room

They didn’t get a fun storybook

[graceful swan]

Anyone going into the Void since Albrecht has probably read it

[restive river]

The Tales of Duviri was made specifically for kids
The Adults got something more informative

[brittle siren]

Ah:

On the anniversary of Dominus Thrax's coronation, a festival was held on Lake Verula, one of Duviri's Lost Islands. During the celebration, a school of rainbow eels would adamantly follow Luscinia, even wriggling on shore as if to follow her. However, a portal to the Undercroft formed at the bottom of the lake bed. From this portal, a swarm of Golden Maw writhed out. They devoured the eels, and when none were left, they began to cannibalize each other until a few Maws were left.
Thrax ordered Lake Verula to be drained, but the Maws merely burrowed away. Now, they can be found all throughout Duviri's lakes and ponds, consuming the fish and terrorizing citizens

[sleek steppe]

Are we not going to see the stalker again after the jade quest?

[brittle siren]

So they come from the Undercroft, eat everything even their kin

[graceful swan]

Can’t predict the future

[brittle siren]

And they can even burrow to the ground

[sleek steppe]

But we do still see him in missions right?

[strange plinth]

since jade shadows is currently marked as a main quest, but has no follow-up, its safe to say we'll see him again

[restive river]

Oooo, so not from the book then

[restive river]

Well it’s a follow up from the new war
But ye

[sleek steppe]

So a baby warframe

That's a little insane

[strange plinth]

yeah, the quest itself is after tnw
but its not a requirement for any other quest, despite being marked as a main quest rather than a side or warframe one

[restive river]

Yee

[graceful swan]

Isn’t every quest after TNW a follow up from New War?

[brittle siren]

Idk, it from one of the fragment in Duviri, but is it from the actual story that the mother made, or it a new thing from the Duviri we know today

[brittle siren]

Yeah, since Hunhow seem fond of us more than before

And Ordis using Sentinel form

[strange plinth]

jade shadows and angels are the most disconnected, but they still require stuff from tnw to happen so
yeah

[twin wigeon]

[brittle siren]

So yes, every quest release after TNW is a follow up

(Beside Duviri)

[restive river]

I think new from the Duviri we know
Duviri had a whole history after it was made, so I wonder how much followed the book

Like the undercroft likely was not a thing in the book
Nor the Wally interruptions

[strange plinth]

i do wonder if any of those lost islands will come back at some point

[graceful swan]

DE have moved on from Duviri

[restive river]

Well all but one dissolved in the void

[restive river]

Also yeah
Unfortunately they have cause Duviri was so massive

I’m sure they can find a way if they want/need to

[graceful swan]

Someone has CE’d an island back

[restive river]

I wanna go to lorn since it didn’t dissolve

[graceful swan]

I wanna see the school that housed black eyed children

[brittle siren]

Interesting, the book exist in Duviri too
So they did know the og story make by the Mother too

She "commissioned" to make a dog from her story book 💀

(And the cat too)

[graceful swan]

The book she wrote was well known

[restive river]

I wanna read it

[humble sierra]

I think it's implied he married his way into status

[graceful swan]

No Orokin until Albrecht went on the Zariman nothing said Orokin never went on battleships

[drowsy saddle]

father says he was a soldier, but also helped on the necramechs

[graceful swan]

He built the Necramechs not helped

[stuck flower]

You know when you think about it

Og warframes are more like umbras

Than normal or primes

As they still have sentience

Excalibur Umbra for all we know is actually the original

Its also the only current warframe to be so

While all the orginals had it too

I mean look at in quest frames

They still have their sentience

And while they dont look umbral

That could be due to the fact most come before Excalibur Umbra came out

[graceful swan]

Umbra was the Original but then he was blown up then we clone him like the rest

[silk atlas]

We scan his grave for scraps to rebuild him

[stuck flower]

In that case Umbras being the original line of frame seems true

Which makes it even sadder that we only have EU

Sevagoth and Jade really shouldve got Umbras

[graceful swan]

No, Umbra was one of the last frames ever made he was turned while Ballas decided he was gonna betray the Orokin

There was also only one Umbra frame ever made

[silk atlas]

The entire reason Umbra was made was because the person who was Umbra found out how the Warframes that were being used in the Old War in that moment were being made.

[stuck flower]

Ah ok

[stray herald]

how was the undercroft discovered? was it always known the the people of duviri since its creation or did entrati introduce it?

[graceful swan]

Came with Duviri, Entrati can’t didn’t create Islsnds

[strange turtle]

Y’all think we might do something expanding on the Iso Vault voicelines soon?

I do hope you'll go again; there is so much more to be found – things hidden from… a mundane gaze."
Perhaps you might learn more once you strengthen your Void connection. It is a difficult place to navigate with only one eye open.
A fuller mastery of the Void and all its implications would be helpful, of course, but this must suffice for now.

[silk atlas]

The dramatic irony is from the Sanctum Anatomica, which she'd have no idea about

[graceful swan]

I still don’t get how she could be Albrechts lab assistant but not know where the Lab is

[normal mountain]

Perhaps she just assumed they were lost to the Infestation

[old dome]

a secret lab beneath the lab she worked in...?

[twin wigeon]

i mean knowing wouldn't really help them as they've lost a large chunk of their memories and are rooted in the ground by the infestaton

[winged flume]

They're not completely rooted, as Father, Son, and Grandmother can somehow, blossom outside the Necralisk.

[restive river]

They all can use the infestation to travel, but they’re confined to the infestation

Like
No going off moon

[dire mountain]

Genuinely though it would be really interesting to be able to read

[restive river]

On one hand we technically live it instead
On the other we get the adult version too
Just
Just let us read it ):

[graceful swan]

I’ll Rhino stomp them off the moon I’m sure nothing will go wrong

[restive river]

Could Albrecht give his family his “cure” and turn them into giant protoframes

[dire mountain]

Also can you elaborate on this because I'm not sure where you got this conclusion

[restive river]

The book exists within Duviri, the Duvirians read it
No idea on that last bit tho

[dire mountain]

Excalibur Umbra is not the original Excalibur if that's what you're saying. Umbra was specifically a punishment towards the Dax who uncovered Ballas' plot to keep him silent.

And the difference between the original (sentient) warframes and Umbra is really their memories. Umbra has the one. Ballas and Issah at his bedside before being forced to kill his son.

[restive river]

Umbra was like
One of the last frames made lol

Iirc base/prime excal is the first frame Ballas made but not Umbra
Umbra came waaayyy later

[dire mountain]

I know the drifter could have brought it into duviri but I don't remember any information pointing towards them being aware of the book itself?

[dire mountain]

Yeah he was way late in the Old War

[restive river]

Idk if they’re aware of the book being their world but the duvirians do read the tales of duviri

Like you can find them just reading it all over the place

[dire mountain]

I dont think I've ever noticed that

[restive river]

Iirc it’s also Drifter’s graffitied copy as well

[restive river]

I know you can find some reading it on the archarbor

Whether or not they know (or care) that the book they read is also their world is unknown

I don’t think they’re really aware they’re characters tbh
Just that the book exists, at most as a historical tale or something from their perspective

[dire mountain]

Acrithis is aware enough of beyond the Wall

Today I learned

[winged flume]

Acrithis is cool, wish we could romance her.

[torn trellis]

Not sure how slow I was to this point, but only now I've noticed that wally himself been lookin down directly at us at Sanctum Atomica

[swift sentinel]

It was noticed basically on the day of release, but it is always fun when people notice that Wally has basically fully enveloped the Labs

[restive river]

Yeah :)

Wally is literally invading the labs

The murmur? Him
The walls? Him

[torn trellis]

I know, he appears everywhere. but that one seems like a close spot

[restive river]

I mean he’s literally the floor you stand on where you look up at him

[torn trellis]

something tells me that he needs to shower

[restive river]

LOL

I don’t think he’s ever showered

[torn trellis]

are there theories about his lack of eyes? or whatever there is instead of them?

[dire mountain]

Does he know what water is

[restive river]

Idk what you mean
He has eyes everywhere lol

[torn trellis]

not eyeballs

[restive river]

Yes eyeballs

[strange turtle]

Not lids either

[torn trellis]

hur

[restive river]

Have you not played the assignation mission

He literally has eyes everywhere including in the walls lol

[torn trellis]

I mean to his actual character. he has two vertical cracks instead of eyes

[restive river]

That’s likely just a reflection of Albrecht’s helmet tbh

Also like
He can take many forms and clearly does not require eyes

[torn trellis]

yea he's an abstract entity

[restive river]

You might just be overthinking his eye situation

[torn trellis]

Can't help it

[restive river]

Fair

[torn trellis]

but the thing about Albrecht's helmet sounds right

His face also look kinda similar to the giant statues in the Sanctum

[restive river]

Albrecht even wore it when he went in if I’m remembering those illustrations correctly

[restive river]

The vessels?

[torn trellis]

yea

[restive river]

The vessels are big warframes

Protoframe DNA + helminth + gray strain

Literally big warframes infused with additional humanity

They have a connection with their protoframe counterparts

Which can be utilized for time travel

[torn trellis]

so.. they're actually hex members?

[restive river]

Made from them, not literally them

[winged flume]

The Vessels are: Eva units.

ahahahahaha

[restive river]

They have human DNA from the protoframes, helminth for. Being a warframe and gray strain for the massive size

These 3 factors together is what Albrecht used to make a weapon that we can use against Wally

[torn trellis]

what's the gray strain?

[restive river]

And are also how we get to 1999, utilizing the connection the vessels have we can zip to 1999
Once we established the connection ofc

[restive river]

Infested strain, the one on deimos
It makes things big

[winged flume]

Now watch Wally fight us in the one place the Vessels can't, the mind.

[restive river]

Fass and Vome for example

Heck all of Deimos

[junior elk]

is the drifter tall or is arthur just short

[silk atlas]

They're about as tall as each other?

Arthur is just slouched

[grizzled quartz]

i was trying to explain the recent lore to a friend who's never played warframe can someone tell me how i did bc this is all from my own understanding

[restive river]

1. Ballas opening the portal just drew Wally’s attention, it wasn’t intentional
2. Entrati accidentally cut off Wally’s finger looong before everything happened and left for 1999 during the Old War
3. Entrati didn’t directly infect people with the techrot, the techrot was already there, he infected them with a modified helminth strain to turn them into protoframes
4. The Hex want to find entrati so they can be cured, we are following him so we can fight back against Wally and Albrecht is the smartest person and has more of a plan than we do
5. We saved the Protoframes from knowing them, Entrati wants us to feel love as it is how we fight Wally.

[proper barn]

Well Entrati went to the void for the first time.

[proper barn]

EHHHHHHH

LETTIE SAYS HE MIGHT'VE

[restive river]

Vinny

The techrot was already there
He just made it worse so he could have protoframes

[proper barn]

oh sure.

I was thinking "infecting more people" not making it in the first place.

[winged flume]

I am just imagining what Octavia's protoframe persona would be.

[restive river]

My point is he didn’t infect them with the techrot specifically, he didn’t make it, at most he modified it so it could spread faster

[proper barn]

sure.

I agree.

[restive river]

Yee

[winged flume]

Did we ever get lore on how the Technocyte/TechRot started?

[restive river]

In the club with neon lights

[quick wadi]

Albrecht showed up to 1999, saw the techrot and mischievously rubbed his hands together like a skaven

[proper barn]

You can listen to the first time Entrati went to the void in the room in the top part of diemos where Metal Loid is.

[restive river]

No, that is specifically unknown

[restive river]

“I can one up ballas with this >:)”

[grizzled quartz]

ah ok

[winged flume]

https://tenor.com/view/glow-sticks-swedish-house-mafia-coachella-rave-party-gif-25427654

[restive river]

Yee

[winged flume]

Bring the DnB rave.

[proper barn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Es8uOniZzZI&pp=ygUII3dhcnJpaXM%3D

[restive river]

Btw I like that you’re comparing some stuff to GF (presumably to help your friend understand)

[grizzled quartz]

yeah i just didn't really take the time to listen to all of Albrechts walls

[restive river]

You should!
It’s great

Tbh have your friend listen to them too

[grizzled quartz]

well it's surprisingly similar actually

[restive river]

They won’t understand a lot but it’s a fun story

[restive river]

In some ways yes
In other ways no

[grizzled quartz]

i realized that like the relationship between Entrati and Wally is essentially the same as Stanford and Bill just a lot more serious ig

[lean garden]

Warframe🤝 Gravity Falls

Having children be the solution to your problems

[quick wadi]

"Ballas' been one upping me first centuries in our "scheming with anything and everything" competition. Time to make my comeback"

[grizzled quartz]

90% of mecha anime there

[restive river]

Meanwhile Ballas crying because his partner is capable of platonic love for other people

[quick wadi]

Albrecht can't look at a trash can without wondering how he could make it worse

Honestly kudos to DE for making such an interesting character

[grizzled quartz]

i love Ballas as a character i just hate him for how he is
which ik is DEs intentions with him

[quick wadi]

Like on the hand albrecht is probably in some way key to fixing things

But also like...screw him so hard?

[grizzled quartz]

takes a lot of skill to make a good character specifically to hate

[grizzled quartz]

personally i don't dislike him
mainly bc his voice is great

[quick wadi]

Like he's doing his best, it's just a shame he only learned how to accomplish things by using others sacrificial lambs

[restive river]

Albrecht sucks but he’s our best chance

[quick wadi]

Yea

[restive river]

He’ll get what’s coming to him

Tagfer needs to ram him in the [Molecular Prime]s

[quick wadi]

We're gonna steal all his retro 90s computers he keeps collecting

The little retro nerd

[restive river]

[quick wadi]

But yeah, he's only really a protagonist in the context of there being that, you know, universe consuming entity coming to steal our oats

Which is a cool dynamic

[feral cape]

I like evil characters who do not try and convince you they are not evil and instead try to convince you they are undoubtedly right

[feral cape]

He's an honest demon an anti hero protagonist means he is the main character

[brittle siren]

Btw, did we know what Albrecht use as the cure for ppl infected with Techrot?

[feral cape]

Probably gene therapy

[junior elk]

picked lettie on accident when i meant to play as eleanor

[restive river]

If you’re talking about during the quest
You can’t pick Eleanor during that portion

[humble sierra]

Yeah, besides Aoi, I think they all get a bit of play time

Maybe Amir as well

[junior elk]

mb i meant to say aoi

[restive river]

ah
rip then

[junior elk]

dw i reset to play as aoi

didnt really matter tho that portion was pretty short