lore-discussion

[normal mountain]

It's kinda hidden behind some sort of bush

[restive river]

Wait is it the puzzle with the big mouth in the middle

[brittle siren]

Ah also there is hidden room that have those containers too

[normal mountain]

Think they all drop them, though it's random which one you get

[brittle siren]

Those "yellow" door room

[normal mountain]

No, it's the vault room
Gotta have Loid open it

[restive river]

Interesting

[normal mountain]

Like I said, they're off to the side

[brittle siren]

Welp time to grind

[normal mountain]

Also, I'm not sure it's guaranteed to show up...

[brittle siren]

But is the ISO tier matter

[restive river]

TO THE VAULTS

[normal mountain]

Don't know
But don't think so

If all else fails, I think Grandmother will sell them too

either that, or she has different scenes

[brittle siren]

But it usually said Grandmother sell it, this one doesn't

[normal mountain]

Hmm

[normal mountain]

In that case, I say ^

[brittle siren]

@restive river it so beautiful

[restive river]

I need it

[brittle siren]

this also the Wall of Lohk right?

what the hell DE

[drowsy saddle]

Lavo prim

[brittle siren]

Lavo V.I.P when DE

strange, the room that have the portal to Wally Dimension is not exist in captura scene

[brittle siren]

omg
so I just trying to see all the thing and in wall of Lohk, an Orowyrm just pass through

I will try to capture it

yeap, idk if this also happened in the quest itself

[azure elm]

wow!

im not sure I understand orowyrms in their entirety...

they patrol the void, but couldn't stop the sentients, and there were tiny ones in mount everest??

[brittle siren]

ah those different, they were called "the Maw"

[brittle siren]

also they can't leave the void

[azure elm]

but wai

[brittle siren]

because

only the Thrax can leave the void

btw, Orowyrm is from Duviri, it not made by the orokin (well not directly at least, the Mother write the book, but the void accidentally create it from Drifter memory)

[azure elm]

ohhhh

[restive river]

Oh that passes through all the void mirrors on deimos :)

[brittle siren]

oh ok

[restive river]

Why would they stop the Sentients if they’re in the void?

[azure elm]

bad guys :c

[brittle siren]

Sentient is not really "bad"

[north ferry]

I mean, Orowyrms are just... emotional dragons kinda. They seem to have little interest in stuff. Golden Maws are indeed Orokin creations but don't seem to real be much more than 'eat'

[late horizon]

I thought the Wyrms were original meant to protect the zariman as it travelled the void

[lean garden]

The sentients would have a bigger issue with being in the void, than having to deal with an orowyrm

[lean garden]

Well, no, because they wouldnt exist without the incident happening

[late horizon]

What incident? I'm sure I read somewhere they were used originally to gather data from the void by Archimedians

[lean garden]

Well if you read it somewhere, then you gotta pull up where it came from, would help us figure out orowyrm origins

[late horizon]

Yeah I'm trying to find it about 4-5 years ago? Plus not sure if it may have been something Yonta mentioned

I can't find it this is annoying I'm sure I didn't imagine it but maybe we should ask DE next devstream

[brittle siren]

They have Orokin design (since the Mother, aka the author of Duviri stories is an Orokin). They do not exist until Drifter fall into the void and manifest Duviri out of their mind

Also they appear much long ago before Duviri

(I mean in term of release update date

[late horizon]

Which is why I thought I had seen or heard them mentioned on the zariman

[brittle siren]

Well it from a famous story book made by the daughter of Albrecht Entrati, who also is another great Orokin Scientist too

[humble sierra]

Yeah which also explains their presence in isolation vaults

[late horizon]

Maybe that was what they were talking about I mean it was like 4-5 years ago I remember hearing about them

[brittle siren]

Not really, most mirror reflect the void, and Orowyrm travel inside the void a lot. Example: the wormhole when we travel in RJ, the space in Mars Mirror defense

@restive river btw sorry for tagging you, but if you read this article (the "Variants and Secrets" section), secret room can also have Captura container. ISO vault always have 1 at the main vault, but you can find other too if you lucky

https://wiki.warframe.com/w/Isolation_Vault#Final_Stage

[restive river]

So iso 1 is good to do?

[brittle siren]

Yeah

Though I do the third one for extra loot

[restive river]

Tysm

[brittle siren]

stupid question

how does argon crystal help Kaya time travel?

[graceful swan]

Connected to the Void

[brittle siren]

I mean yes it does, but why Argon specifically?

like ik it decaying after leaving the void

but how is that properties contribute to "time travel"

[graceful swan]

It decays back into the Void

[brittle siren]

oh it come back to the void

I still don't understand the real logic though

[sleek steppe]

Am I the only one so incredibly confused by the current lore?

[graceful swan]

If she lets it decay and it goes back to the Void she probably followed it and it got her into the Void outside of Hollvania

The hard part was probably getting out of the Void

Or another thing could be it powered her portal due to Void properties

[graceful swan]

What's confusing?

[sleek steppe]

The whole 1999 thing

The entity

Entrati

[graceful swan]

What's confusing about it?

[sleek steppe]

Operator and drifter

Why do we go back in time for?

Why is the entity against us?

WHO is the entity?

Whats entrati's whole thing for?

[graceful swan]

1 was part of the Kalymos Sequence

2 Wally was always being set up to be the antagonist through all the quests featuring him

3 Man in the Wall who you met all the way back in Chains of Harrow

4 Albrecht needed the bomb to escape 1999

Albrecht is pretty minor part of 1999

[candid elm]

No albrecht is a major part of it, but he's more of a backround player

What with being responsible for the protoframes and whatnot

[barren jasper]

i forgot how the time loop started or what the purpose of it even is

[late horizon]

Thought it started cause Albrecht was running away to hide from Wally

[graceful swan]

Albrecht created it probably to stop the Hex fully turning

[brittle siren]

so from Yonta word, the void does not create anything until a mind "touch" it

so it let me thinking, is Wally come from someone mind too?

[brittle siren]

well her portal seem like another version of Limbo one

[graceful swan]

“The first scholar looked into the Void and he feared it and his fear took shape that’s how all this started”

[brittle siren]

who said this?

[graceful swan]

The fear spiral lady

[brittle siren]

oh

is it albrecht?

(ofc it's him, he the first to look into it)

(well no now Kaya is the first since she far older than him )

[graceful swan]

No, Kaya isn’t

[brittle siren]

Technically

[graceful swan]

Kaya is 19

Albrecht is from the far future

Albrecht is over 1000

[brittle siren]

and she over 10k or whatever the time span from 1999-present

(it's a joke though)

though she manage to time travel with limited tool

[graceful swan]

'The Man In The Wall' is identical with the entity known to us as 'The Indifference'.

Albrecht Entrati is ultimately responsible for attracting its attention to the Origin System.

Albrecht Entrati may be ultimately responsible for its existence.

Parameter confirmed. The Tenno is the Chosen Operator. We await the correct moment to activate the Kalymos Sequence.

Continuing to monitor.

[brittle siren]

I wonder if Wally can't physically do anything to him because Albrecht kinda his father (not directly)

[graceful swan]

DE are basically pointing more and more each update to Albrecht being the person to create Wally completely or at least give him shape

[graceful swan]

Can’t do something to someone who keeps running from you

[brittle siren]

kinda fitting since Al afraid of the Unknown

Wally shape-shifting ability and have no real true form is represent to that

[acoustic coyote]

I mean after the Deimos lore I understand it was a shaky theory a few had. But glad it has something of this is true

[brittle siren]

well Wally did teleport him, but failed to keep Albrecht

for some reason

[graceful swan]

Albrecht ran away again

[brittle siren]

Run away from family, from his problem

He sound no less to an A holle compare to Ballas

[acoustic coyote]

Money still on ballas being worst thou still

[brittle siren]

yeah that obvious

at least Entrati not lying about his misdeed

also kinda funny Natah and Erra know how to talk like living being, while Hunhow still robotic

[graceful swan]

Literally any time you see Albrecht he’s always running

Mother becomes an Adult
Albrecht leaves

Wally meets or is given form by him
Albrecht runs

Wally comes to labs
Albrecht has already dipped to 1999

Wally gets to 1999 Albrecht runs

Only time Albrecht isn’t running Arthur was late

[brittle siren]

is that smiling Albrecht even him, like he rarely smile and definitely not smiling that wide

[graceful swan]

It’s Wally

Albrecht only ever smiled for Loid and that was rare

[brittle siren]

his suppose dead wife is kicking the infested hive at this point

unless, the Mother is adopted

like we heard NOTHING about Ms. Entrati anywhere

(if she even existed)

[graceful swan]

She did

[acoustic coyote]

Hey hey money on she exist but let the dead rest

[graceful swan]

She existed but has never been mentioned since the logs

[acoustic coyote]

Do you really wanna drag ms. Entrati into this mess man if she even care

[graceful swan]

She’s probably dead

[brittle siren]

what log

[graceful swan]

Only my sluggish attendants, my sagacious Kavat, Kalymos, and of course, my daughter. I had raised her alone but with inconsistent vigor. In those eyes, her mother's

We get literally no lore on her other than if you look at Mother her eyes look like hers

10/10 lore totally loads

[brittle siren]

so she must have been died while giving birth to her daughter

[acoustic coyote]

One can hope. One can theories. One can speculate who knows until DE pulls a dead mom thing for like a Halloween surprise or something ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[late horizon]

Thought his significant other was Grandmother?

[brittle siren]

that was the Father biological mother

[late horizon]

Ah

[brittle siren]

he said that he raise the Mother alone so that certainly not the case

[late horizon]

Tbh I forget Father exists most of the time I only need to visit mother otak and sister

[brittle siren]

I know everyone have a mom but did Albrecht mentioned his mom before?

[graceful swan]

Yes

[woven coyote]

And that she wasnt around to raise euleria

[graceful swan]

Yeah

[proper barn]

THERE IT IS i was looking for this.

[humble sierra]

Yeah, she gave him the petname "Little Bengal", which is what MITW called Albrecht during the first encounter

Basically it's his "Hey Kiddo"

[graceful swan]

In the logs Wally called Albrecht Little Bengal his mother’s nickname for him

[brittle siren]

what next, his ancestor?

[graceful swan]

Wally calls people their nicknames if they had one

[humble sierra]

Nah she's only relevant because of that nickname

[woven coyote]

One thing to consider too is that albrecht mentions eulerias mother but never calls her his wife, could have been just for the sake of house entrati having a successor

[humble sierra]

Wouldn't be surprised if he called Baro "Dune"

[brittle siren]

I wonder what Wally call Lotus as?

[proper barn]

Wally like basiclly was Asorbing Albretches memeories and things.

smoke was litearlly coming from his head and he was loosing his memories.

[graceful swan]

It’s just a shorter word to use for it

[proper barn]

3 faced Sentient? or something like that.

[humble sierra]

Nah it'd be a pet name, something that once brought comfort that he then warps

[graceful swan]

Wife is the shortest word out of all relationship words

[brittle siren]

also it interesting that Wally didn't say Albrecht steal his finger, but Golden kings or sth

[humble sierra]

Space Mom would be a likely candidate tbh

[proper barn]

OH probably like "daughter of hunhow" or something that would hurt her.

[humble sierra]

The Orokin, as a whole, were the ones who experimented on the fingers

[proper barn]

Albretch is a golden King.

[woven coyote]

Albrecht was out of comission for a good while after the accident

[proper barn]

also yeah

Loid was his wet nurse for A WHILE

[graceful swan]

Isn’t Albrecht called a Golden King

[proper barn]

gave him back his sight voice and eyes.

[brittle siren]

he not really "king" per se

[graceful swan]

Eleanor calls Albrecht a Golden king

[woven coyote]

And with how scared he was of the void he probably wouldve tried to throw the fingers right back if he could

[brittle siren]

though funny that Orokin have King(s) yet no info about them

beside some mentions

[brittle siren]

I mean when you look at all orokin, they all wear gold

and compare to peasant, yeah they are god and king of their reign

[graceful swan]

Golden king isn’t a literal meaning

[humble sierra]

Yeah Wally was being metaphorical

[brittle siren]

or DE retcon it and make the actual Seven (one that Ballas was in) as true truler

[graceful swan]

Emperors were retconned with Executors

Or

[brittle siren]

yeah

[graceful swan]

The 7 were the actual Emperors

DE probably didn’t want to have 14 people doing government stuff

So just made it the 7

[brittle siren]

this looked so cool

[late horizon]

Aren't the archimedians like the government officials? Serving under the Seven

[graceful swan]

They did work for the 7, yeah

Perintol made Sentients

[woven coyote]

Archimedians are scientists

[proper barn]

@graceful swan @late horizon okay no they are scientists that just have to report to the Orokin what they are working on but they do not work for them.

they just have to all go talk to the orokin and if they don't like your work they kill you.

[graceful swan]

They did work for I didn’t say served under

[late horizon]

So Archimedean scientist, Dax royal guard, Grinner Slave clone army, Tenno Orokins Third biggest mistake

Were the corpus around during The Sevens era

[proper barn]

yes.

[strange turtle]

Clone labourers that then also became military during the Old War, to be specific

[stray gale]

they began during that era, they were started by parvos granum who was a peasant to the orokin

[late horizon]

I like the reoccurring theme Orokin create Sentients they rebel against there creators, Create Warframes to deal with Sentients they are uncontrollable and driven towards a form of madness from the process, discover Mental disturbed Children with unnatural powers that can sooth the Warframes, train Children so they can control the Warframes for, Children rebel and kill the orokin

[proper barn]

WELL

do you believe them?

[late horizon]

No they stole Fingers from a Eldritch Void God so it didn't surprise me that much

[proper barn]

"sTOle"

[restive river]

Albrecht recounts the tale
Idk if they stole anything, sure they didn’t give it back
But also the Orokin lacked basic empathy so it’s not really a surprise they didn’t think to just
Throw the finger(s) back

[graceful swan]

Can’t know to give it back if Wally never asked for it back

[restive river]

Yeah he never asked lmao
Just kinda
Expected it

But also the Orokin wouldn’t have, maybe Albrecht would advocate but Ballas and the rest? No way

[woven coyote]

Originally just labourers and farmers if i remember parvos' story right

[proper barn]

That was only parvos

[restive river]

He was the first

[woven coyote]

Not quite
The other families around he converted were also there

So not only

[restive river]

Don’t we literally are some crewmen on one of the images lol

[spice spade]

literal bootstrap paradox.

didn't Albrecht need samples to make the Protoframes?

[strange plinth]

yep
now we do have the issue of where the original temple strain came from

[spice spade]

If we're dealing with a linear timeline yeah, that's a big oof.

[strange plinth]

there's a little implication there that ballas did concept temple, but didn't go through with it
but that's also assuming that flare has that information somehow

[proper barn]

I don't know if that's true.

[tall echo]

"The Warframe Ballas was too scared to build"
"Yep, bootstrap, temple didn't exist before"

[proper barn]

I mean Helminth (lizzie)

[strange plinth]

fair point

[proper barn]

Albretch wasn't around when the night of naga drum happened so he literally couldn't have gotten a sample from Flare as temple.

So not a bootstrap.

[spice spade]

So how did he get a protoframe sample of Temple for Flare?

and it's literally, literally the same Lizzie in both cases.

[strange plinth]

true, yeah
ok. ballas concepted temple, didn't build them. albrecht made a sample to take back to 1999, and made flare into the temple protoframe
whether he accounted for temple's return in the origin system doesn't really matter in that instance
sounds right?

[proper barn]

Albretch literally couldn't have HE LEAVES BEFORE THE NIGHT OF NAGA DRUMS HAPPENS.

[spice spade]

did you fr forget Albrecht gave Flare an injection in the KIMs dog?

[tall echo]

[proper barn]

I am saying he couldn't have used the sample from Flare.

cuz of facts we know.

[spice spade]

Not Flare, Temple.

[proper barn]

I am tackling you.

[proper barn]

if it's not from the flare that is turned into temple it's not a bootstrap paradox.

[tall echo]

Albrecht permanently left to 1999 while the old war was still going.
Flare/temple only returned after the old war ended.

[proper barn]

Yes.

[spice spade]

in the message it states that Temple was apart of the Orokin slaughter.

[tall echo]

Yes

[proper barn]

YES that's the night of the naga drums AFTER ALBRETCH LEFT FOREVER.

We know that cuz of what Loid Says.

[strange plinth]

..which happened during the night of naga drums, after the sentients were defeated and the old war concluded

[spice spade]

So did Albrecht just mix strains together randomly and said: "good enough"

[lean garden]

I mean, Albrecht was the goober who is directly implicated in the creation of qorvex, and is hinted at the creation of xaku prime. So like give what flare has told us, wouldnt be far off for albrecht to have designed temple for flare

[tall echo]

Ballas designed temple but never built them

[proper barn]

we don't know.

[proper barn]

maybe.

[spice spade]

so, Albrecht just stole the Temple frame for Ballas?

[tall echo]

The idea

[spice spade]

er, the Temple strain

[proper barn]

maybe?

Also Flare might have changed the frame they where injected with

or anything else we don't know.

[tall echo]

I don't think albrecht had permission for any of his little experiments in 1999

[proper barn]

we have guesses but we aren't sure.

[tall echo]

Most likely

[spice spade]

I mean, I'm pretty sure no one in that era even thought time travel possible.

but also the Void is a giant McGuffin/Narrative device.

so I was wrong about the bootstrap paradox thing, I'll admit that with the info given.

It just seemed like one.

[strange plinth]

"the entrati have violated time, and i have violated them."
parvos knew, to some extent, if we take the protea prime trailer convo as canon

[strange plinth]

yeah, i initiallty agreed with you
at a glance, it 100% looks like a bootstrap

[proper barn]

also comet isn't even in the system

so they couldn't even like get it from the asleep flare.

[spice spade]

I guess Albecht just copied Ballas' homework

[graceful swan]

But changed it up a little

[spice spade]

yeah

Did Ballas even create Cyte-09 or did Albrecht do the same homework copying

oh they did

I mean, they did create Cyte-09

Ballas

They just didn't formally name him

[graceful swan]

Ballas probably made all the Warframes except Qorvex and Qorvex Prime

[spice spade]

Yeah, fair

[graceful swan]

Titania was made by someone else but under his control

[spice spade]

I mean, Lavos made himself into a Prime lol

[graceful swan]

Yeah

Erra made Caliban but Ballas could've helped somehow

[spice spade]

So...do Warframes start out as base and then they get Primed?

[graceful swan]

Not always

[spice spade]

like a sorta ceremonial prize?

[strange plinth]

some started prime, some earned it

[graceful swan]

Some earned it others started out as Prime

[spice spade]

Gotcha

[lean garden]

Some badababoobe some beboobadaba

[spice spade]

real

some baba others booie

[lilac aspen]

Some start as it
Others are rewarded it
Then there's Lavos becoming one as a flex

[strange plinth]

and rev, who showed up

[graceful swan]

To mock Ballas

[strange turtle]

||And Temple||

[graceful swan]

Do we know that though

[strange plinth]

ballas seems to have designed temple, but never built them

[lilac aspen]

People tend to forget just about every frame was made by the Ballas aside from Qorvex

It's just some got weird stuff and thus evolved in ways

[graceful swan]

Caliban

[tall echo]

Xaku technically

[graceful swan]

Revenant Prime

[strange plinth]

caliban could've been a collaboration

[tall echo]

In the old war?

[lilac aspen]

Ballas played part in making Caliban function as a proper frame

Xaku was three different frames that had weird stuff happen to them and became Xaku

Same with Revenant, he was a normal frame and then got yoinked by Eldion, evolving differently.

[tall echo]

Source for the first one?

[graceful swan]

Revenant Prime wasnt made by Ballas at all

[strange plinth]

heir of twin kingdoms n all that
yeah presumably, old war
ballas was working with hunhow, how far a stretch is it that he worked with erra a little?

[tall echo]

Not presumably, definitely

Caliban alt helmet description

[graceful swan]

Actually, how would the Orokin have even had multiple Revenant Primes?

[lilac aspen]

Helminth

[strange plinth]

true, forgot about that

[lilac aspen]

Remember Helminth repairs our frames and replaces them if they're destroyed

[graceful swan]

How would the Orokin even get them in relics though

[lilac aspen]

Truly Helminth's back has to be broken from all the carrying it does

[strange turtle]

I think Flare wasn’t being literal when they said that. It sounds like it makes sense at first but then if you think deeper on it ||if Ballas is unwilling to build a warframe with “Rebellion in it’s DNA” then why would he even design it in the first place? Plus it’s not like he hasn’t had defiant and rebellious people made into frames before, and even built more of, so it’s a bit odd he’d take issue with Temple specifically||

[tall echo]

Why doesn't helminth replace the frames we destroy by subsuming

[strange plinth]

revenant didn't exist until after the old war was done, revenant prime couldn't exist until after that

[tall echo]

Yet he did

[strange turtle]

It doesn’t want to carry us too much, wants us to have some independance

[tall echo]

Rev p appears during the old war

[lilac aspen]

From what I get from its quotes, we're willingly feeding it our frames so it rewards us with the subsume abilities

Basically
We're giving it a gift

[feral cape]

Guh?

[tall echo]

Ok but if it replaces destroyed frames it should still replace those

[feral cape]

Source?

[tall echo]

...

The. Prime. Trailer?

[lilac aspen]

Why would I return a gift, though.

Especially if it was a tasty meal

[feral cape]

I think ballas voicing those is just a consistency thing

[graceful swan]

Because you got a better version of the gift

[tall echo]

[feral cape]

Thats imo

[strange plinth]

is there anything there saying its during the old war though?
ballas was in hiding between the orokin's fall and his re-emergence in our time, there's nothing saying he couldn't narrate a prime trailer in that time

[tall echo]

Protea's is narrated by parvos tho isn't it

[feral cape]

Both

[strange plinth]

parvos n ballas yeah

[graceful swan]

The frame of 2 fathers

[lilac aspen]

I like to imagine it being the equivalent of him being informed about a warframe during certain periods of time since, you know, practically immortal to age

[feral cape]

Its a conversation rather than a rant or sales pitch

[tall echo]

Screw this, not worth my patience

[graceful swan]

Whats patience?

[lilac aspen]

So Protea, for example, was when she was made.

Revenant, probably when he was in hiding and heard about him.

Gara, probably when he heard about her being the goat and dying to defeat the mega sentient

[feral cape]

No gara was made when he wanted to spite nihil

[rotund tinsel]

Forgetting some bits of lore and then having to search it hoping you'd find a solid answer sucks

I can't remember the lore reason on why warframes can't move

I got one solid reason off Reddit,it being the originals could at one point and that the foundry crafted ones can't

[lilac aspen]

No he made Gara because she offered to become Gara

He gave her glass when Nihil thought she was insulting them, saying to "Glass Her"

[rotund tinsel]

It's like making a cup with clay,you can't make a cup and expect it to have water in it already

[woven coyote]

Lets be honest with ballas' personality spiting nihil was what probably sealed the deal

[lilac aspen]

So Ballas did what Nihil asked
"Glassed" her with glass far more beautiful than any glass Nihil will make

[lilac aspen]

From how it sounded
Just about everyone found Nihil annoying

[rotund tinsel]

Punching bag of the orokin

[lean garden]

The critical thing that places rev p into the old war would be the existence of his parts in relics. It's either you utterly disregard relics and dismiss them as "purely gameplay whatsoever" or rev P had its cheeky time in the Old War

[lilac aspen]

At least the Orokin, to a degree, have respect.

Gara offered to become a frame despite knowing what it would do to her.

[rotund tinsel]

Offering to become a Warframe,what a mad lad,I like that heavily

[lilac aspen]

Meat Puppets
They sleep because the Tenno within calms them.

[rotund tinsel]

So that's how my saryn prime moved in second dream-

[lilac aspen]

Because we know it doesn't matter if they're the original or crafted replicas

Excalibur Umbra was crafted by scanning his ashed remains.

Umbra is a copy of the original umbra

Thanks to how infestation works

[rotund tinsel]

I remember that vividly,I was upset watching Umbra get obliterated

[rotund tinsel]

Would be cool if it was a mauler twin if both original and copy existed and can't know which is real

[lilac aspen]

Considering how the infestation works
They are both the original and the copy

[rotund tinsel]

That is a much neat and easy reason, actually

[lilac aspen]

At least how the hivemind works and how it somehow transcends time

Which is

Mildly terrifying

[rotund tinsel]

Lizzie proving the fact my warcrimes could transcend time

[strange plinth]

is there anything that says the void couldn't have put those pieces in the relics in the same way that it made revenant prime?
that's a better explanation than was previously given, though

[rotund tinsel]

So, remembering Jade's stuff near teshin,each crafted frame has sentience,but is resting inside while operator uses them,the way they have sentience cause Helminth and the infestation likes to be a little gremlin

[proper barn]

@lilac aspen @rotund tinsel specifically helminth can.

Which makes sensem

Cuz helminth being connected to 1999 is how we get there in the first place.

[rotund tinsel]

Funny gunky lil fella

[lilac aspen]

From Lizzie's comment
Every infested is Helminth
And Helminth is them
Basically Hive mind

Which means even separate strains are connected despite being separate strains

And that Warframes go mad because of the fact a normal human brain cannot cope with being everyone and themself at once, despite the infestation not meaning to drive them mad like that.

[proper barn]

Not exactly. Just they are connected to every one but the normal hive mind doesn't control them.

Otherwise our frames would attack us.

[cunning tapir]

from what it sounds like, the Helminth can't control each and every infested anymore than we can each and every cell of our bodies.

[proper barn]

Helminth is its own Hive mind.

But lizzie is helminth cuz they talks about letting us subsume stuff.

[lilac aspen]

The Body example makes sense the best, yes

We can't control our immune system from attacking something.

[proper barn]

Also the techrot has its own hive mind .

The legacities literally are that.

[plush phoenix]

legacities...

[proper barn]

Legactyes?

I have dyslexia and this is a fake word.

[runic bronze]

hey i got a question about something i noticed
so there's a small few of warframes that are literaly "The Orokin's(Balas) response to a specific enemy faction and bastardizing them in the process"

like Banshee for the grineer, Vauban for coprus, Nidus for infestation(ig),

is there anyone im missing?

[restive river]

Where did you get Banshee for Grineer??

[runic bronze]

in her prime video there's a line about "Like-faced savages"

and from what ive heard that's supposed to be in refrence to our favorite ugly clones

[restive river]

Ok well the Grineer work for the Orokin until after the fall so
They wouldn’t have made a frame to counter them :p

Like they are literally a work force and turn into a military force to serve the Orokin, once they fall the queens gain control

[runic bronze]

it could still be an insult or a sign of contempt for them simmilar to Vauban for Corpus(given Balas was still forced to make Protea relatively around that time)

[restive river]

Heck the Corpus aren’t even a particular threat against the Orokin during their era

[runic bronze]

anyway any other warframes that represent certain factions?

[strange turtle]

These like-faced savages. These earth-worn mules. A vast, violent ocean at our command. Yet they wither. Mired in massed steel and flesh, casting these hordes from gene molds and flock minds, we inspire nothing.

Our demons of void and womb must be different. Unusual. Singular. Crafted without caste, wrought of the finest ore, slender and queer.

Sight without eye. Wrath without sound. Not a soldier, but a myth. Not a warrior… a spirit… Banshee

He was just saying that warframes need to be better and scarier than the Grineer troops

[runic bronze]

dont see how that goes against what i thought of her but anywho

[runic bronze]

^

[azure elm]

i think when we consider ballas as an engineer and a creator, he was like

well what would be the description

its like, he was creating things just to create, then seeing how he could utilize them

as an orokin, he was essentially a gilded man playing in a toybox, none of it actually MATTERED to him

[restive river]

Caliban is half sentient

[runic bronze]

oh yeah

[azure elm]

revenant is too

[restive river]

Could say Xaku, Kullervo or Dante is somewhat representative of the void / Duviri as each has ties to it

Xaku in origin (void expedition)
Kullervo was warped by and lives in Duviri
Dante fell to voidtongue and utilizes it

[azure elm]

kullervo is a real warframe? Ive always operated under the idea its the drifters idea of the story book kullervo made real

like real as in, made by ballas

[lilac aspen]

Void this Void that
Why don't Wally void its attitude

[azure elm]

because wally is a toddler in a void walls body

[restive river]

Yes
Did
Did you not look at his story????

[azure elm]

nuhuh

i had no idea kullervo was a 'real' warframe, i thought it was us doing void manifesting stuff

cuz its duviri

[restive river]

1. The Zariman and Duviri predate Warframes
2. Kullervo is very much so a real Warframe, go read his crimes.

[strange plinth]

kullervo was tossed into the void by ballas, landed in duviri
like teshin

[azure elm]

ohhhhhhhh

[restive river]

How would the Drifter manifest a Warframe when they don’t even know what that is

[azure elm]

ok ok, and his duviri looks were the void warping him like how teshing was?

[azure elm]

eternalism >:3

[restive river]

No, bad

[restive river]

Yes

[azure elm]

cool, got it now

[azure elm]

ballas has a real habit of throwing things into the void that he doesn't like

[cosmic ridge]

That ends up screwing him over later

[azure elm]

also true

i feel if one was to redo doing the new war, having special dialogue for kullervo and umbra specificially would be a nice little cherry for DE to add

[lilac aspen]

Somewhere there's a timeline where Ballas, moved by Margulis, became the adoptive father of all the tenno and helped them to turn against the Orokin.

[azure elm]

somewhere out there, ballas IS a warframe

[restive river]

No

[azure elm]

holy F*%4$ that'd be cool as hell

8 foot tall oroframe

[strange plinth]

that's going farther into multiverse than eternalism

[lilac aspen]

Somewhere out there Ballas actually was just a chill guy.

[azure elm]

prime ballas is just all metallic channels with orokin gold

his exalted is his little stub legs

the ones dangling from his sentient limbs

[cosmic ridge]

I'd like to play komi with Umbra in the orbiter or backroom

[azure elm]

awe thats nice

[cosmic ridge]

(So I can give him PTSD)

[azure elm]

D:

[restive river]

I’m throwing you in the deep void.

[cosmic ridge]

So I can evolve and become stronger?

[runic bronze]

this reminded me we never got a Xaku Prime promo for some extra flavour text lore

[azure elm]

its cuz xaku prime only makes sense in gameplay, not story

unless im mistaken, there wasn't armies of xaku like other warframes, pre tenno uprising

there was only the one xaku

[restive river]

No, they make sense in story lol

[azure elm]

https://tenor.com/view/table-hit-yakuza-hitting-table-walk-out-gif-15307369

[restive river]

Xaku is a product of the void expeditions, once they returned they could have been mass produced no problem

[azure elm]

I hate the orokin

[restive river]

LOL

[cosmic ridge]

Without them you wouldn't have Warframes...

Think about that

[runic bronze]

honestly i think it was more cruel of you to tell Robin this instead of just rolling with it🪦

[azure elm]

without them we wouldnt NEED warframes

think on THAT

[cosmic ridge]

We would

[restive river]

We wouldn’t lol

The Warframes were made as a response against the sentients

No Orokin means no sentients.

[azure elm]

no orokin means no poisoned earth either, or grineer slave labor, or corpus greed

[cosmic ridge]

Orokin will exist under another name

There is always a balance

[azure elm]

ehhh the orokin existence was the imbalance

thats why at every possible turn the universe was basically telling them they were evil

[cosmic ridge]

Evil is a matter of perspective, remember this Tenno.

[azure elm]

not when its orokin

[cosmic ridge]

We are not any better, we slaughtered and continue to slaughter thousands in the name of justice and balance.

[woven coyote]

Yeah there is a point where its just too far, and the orokin went past that a long time ago

[azure elm]

you are insane if you think the tenno arent better than the orokin

[cosmic ridge]

I'm just as sane as you.

[azure elm]

you can say YOU'RE not any better, but don't lump us into your red flag moment

[restive river]

Eh not really with the Orokin
They were as evil as one could be, not even a matter of perspective

Like they literally lacked empathy lmao

[cosmic ridge]

In their eyes weren't they good guys?

[azure elm]

not even in their eyes

they were 'the top guys'

centrism doesn't work in warframe, or put another way

the devil doesn't actually need an advocate

[woven coyote]

Even son goes "we had it coming"

[cosmic ridge]

Aren't we literally classed as devils with an advocate called "The Lotus"?

[woven coyote]

They werent unaware of what they were doing

[azure elm]

we are called devils by oppressors and monsters??

[cosmic ridge]

Doesn't Nora also call us devils?

Mind you she calls us everything so she chill

[azure elm]

i think you need to consider your stance of 'we are just as bad as them' very carefully because we are child soldiers who killed our masters to free ourselves, and do the same for others

[cosmic ridge]

I think you think I'm trying to protect the Orokin, which I'm not I'm simply pointing out we commit atrocities as if not more then them.

There are no good guys in Warframe

[azure elm]

theres no such thing as an attrocity against a malevolent conquering force

we are very clearly the good guys

[woven coyote]

The orokin did it for fun

We (characters not players) do it to keep a semblance of balance against a bunch of warring factions

[runic bronze]

im really trying not to make a comparison to something to put emphasis on how crazy this conversation is but i dont think its worth it

[cosmic ridge]

I'd kill all the people in Cetus if it lead to a quest chain to unlock stug prime

[runic bronze]

good for you, buddy...

[azure elm]

attrocities are acts commited against those who are undeserving, such as
Children forced into servitude to kill conscious constructs
forcing constructs to terraform planets at the cost of their own life
Cloning humans for slave labor
Using their subjects for grotesque and inhumane playtime

[lilac aspen]

Me looking at the dead pre-orokin fall grineer soldiers:

"Are we the bad guys?"

[woven coyote]

And even then still find the time to help those who cant help themselves, defection missions, helping the myconians, cetus, solaris,

[cosmic ridge]

No need to be condescending, even if you do not agree with my point of view.

[woven coyote]

There arent pre orokin grineer soldiers tho

[lilac aspen]

Pre-Orokin fall mb

[woven coyote]

They staged their own rebellion too tho

[azure elm]

NOT
Liberating yourself from slave labor
Creating safe havens for normal humans (Something no other faction does)
protecting civilian populations in two different planets and saving the universe again and agai

[runic bronze]

honestly i think the only place where the centrist discussion can happen is the big 6 syndicates

[woven coyote]

They took advantage of the colapse and led to the current grinner

[cosmic ridge]

Why has this been labled a centrist discussion?

[azure elm]

because you're using centrist terminology

[cosmic ridge]

Lmfao I'm just throwing a grenade in chat to start a discussion

Next you'll start call me a fascist

[azure elm]

you must be popular at parties :I

[runic bronze]

no, we will just say you're boring

[cosmic ridge]

Now you're leading to insults

[runic bronze]

im not leading into anything :3

[azure elm]

https://tenor.com/view/ex-block-his-numer-and-enjoy-your-summer-funny-text-enjoy-summer-gif-12008955

[cosmic ridge]

Very tolerant of you

[runic bronze]

the way this is brat colored is so artistic

[azure elm]

tenno would love brat summer, me thinks

I will say, I would really really like if warframe expanded their current music team

[runic bronze]

technicaly speaking BRAT would be like a historical piece in their time

[azure elm]

the onlyne stuff has been a blast of fresh air but I need a lot more

[runic bronze]

like imagine lil tenno going into idk 1999 and going "i only listen to real music" like one of those classical snobs and then its just "BUMPING THAT-"

[azure elm]

lady gaga in warframe when...

make it happen DE!

[runic bronze]

Lady in Red as a warframe would eat

[azure elm]

so much fashionframe potential

like a music based mirage

[runic bronze]

we could probably fashionframe Disease on Gyre btw

[azure elm]

https://tenor.com/view/warframe-meme-warframememe-gif-52930624347421827

hmmmm

she does look like a warframe in the video

[runic bronze]

you gotta use someone with a big dress or fullcoverage look

[azure elm]

if gyre gets a voidshell where we can make it look leather or latex, absolutely

[runic bronze]

i sure hope nobody in DE is peeking in here

[azure elm]

i sure hope liger is in here furiously taking notes

I need more frames that push the sexyframe agenda

i also just need more enemies that drop emotes

[woven coyote]

They always are

[azure elm]

the coda giving you modern dances is delightful

ive gotten two emotes so far

[runic bronze]

that reminds me i gave up on coda hunting cuz i found out the weapons are rank 17

[azure elm]

yea but if u keep hunting you'll get cool ephemera

[runic bronze]

fair point

gotta kill Zeke anyway cuz i dont like him

shallow white boy energy is killing me

speaking of Zeke why does he have a normal name and everyone else is like Motherboard and USB-port

[restive river]

You can still get plenty heartcells for later

Alongside the cosmetic rewards

[azure elm]

I thought I'd like the jock one a lot more, but once I unlocked him After 8 coda hunts hes just a CREEP

[proper barn]

Zeke isn't Shallow Hard-drive is though.

[runic bronze]

Harddrive was so creepy it circled back into funny for me

[azure elm]

yea harddrives dialogue when he ISNT your lich is like aw wholesome jock

[restive river]

Hard-drive is a himbo

[azure elm]

but as soon as you get his real dialogue its EW

[azure elm]

hard drive is a greek life PREDATOR

[runic bronze]

yall will never understand the recoil reaction i had to him asking me where my boyfriend is while i was trying to kill him in the stadium

[azure elm]

do NOT use himbo for him

[restive river]

HE IS A HIMBO

[azure elm]

himbo implies pure of heart

[proper barn]

Reminder these aren't actually the band members. It's clones of them made by the record company.

[restive river]

oh truuue

I forgot the third ingredient of himbo

[runic bronze]

for a good few days i thought it was a special voiceline if you are dating one of the hex guys

[azure elm]

cloning their behavior too

[proper barn]

He wants to keep Packet Safe even this werid version of him.

[restive river]

strong
stupid
but also pure of heart

[azure elm]

keeping packet safe doesn't change the fact I'd cover my drink around him

[restive river]

That’s where I got him being a himbo from

[runic bronze]

he is a him

[proper barn]

They are actually changed cuz the record company wanted a more controllable band.

[runic bronze]

the bo hasnt been earned yet

wait did the entire record company get eaten by techrot or smthn

that reminds me ig Flare is our second infestation frame

[proper barn]

No they made the clones on purpose. Also all the lines of the Coda are all interview qoutes.

[azure elm]

he's he, but he'll never be HIM Gestures to chipper

[restive river]

The record company and scaldra made the coda clones

[restive river]

REAL

[restive river]

All frames being infested:

[proper barn]

Like think about their lines next time and realize they are all softball question answers.

[runic bronze]

what kind of resident evil meets kpop did i walk into

[restive river]

Warframe

[proper barn]

That's the whole point. Also they are like a anti Ai talking point as well. To learn about it in aois room is a computer with the stuff about it.

[runic bronze]

going into the mall rn

[azure elm]

the next liches will just be real life band BLACKPINK but in corpus

[proper barn]

Been there since release. Also when you make a Coda you can get let me find it

[restive river]

We have that it’s the sisters

[runic bronze]

we go to the Tau System and Entrati sends the Hex Girls to test if were worthy

[azure elm]

yes bit thime it'll be blackpink instead of corpus sisters

[proper barn]

@runic bronze https://fxtwitter.com/i/status/1902432614750851088

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[azure elm]

got a snorf out of me just now

emoticon emoticon emoticon

[runic bronze]

im still mad i havent heard this voiceline yet

[proper barn]

But yeah in this aoi is saying

Its not onlye.

[azure elm]

i love aoi

but i love lettie more

[proper barn]

But yeah that computer was in the game since release.

[runic bronze]

didnt know

[azure elm]

Oh sweet lua this is horrible emoticon emoticon emoticon

[runic bronze]

tbh i never went to Aoi's room cuz i was focusing on getting practical stuff first

[azure elm]

shes got great kim again btw

go get the computer toons

[runic bronze]

great whatnow

[azure elm]

the tune that plays when ur on the POM PC

[runic bronze]

ohhhh

btw unrelated but this just popped into my head :
does Wisp have any lore?

[proper barn]

Uhhhhhhhh no?

[runic bronze]

all i know about her is that she dosent like being cisdimensional, likes flowers, and THESUNTHESUNTHESUNTHESUN

[azure elm]

yknow come to think of it im not sure she does

pretty sure it was during that period of time where they'd just add warframes

[runic bronze]

DE give Wisp lore and my life is yours

i still havent forgoten her literaly drainign someones lifeforce for funzies

[azure elm]

I still need to get a nekros prime

[runic bronze]

She's so weird i love her
https://youtu.be/eMlX3isbMBE?si=KdxFiZlzH-NrJwZA

[lilac aspen]

From how I saw it
Ballas had Wisp made to like
Fight off things and try to keep Earth clean

[runic bronze]

New Lokha vibes

[azure elm]

but wasn't sayrn the earth cleaner?

[runic bronze]

Saryn is what-

miss 101 toxins to inject your husband with?

[azure elm]

yea, nothing to harm the planet if you kill them all by aoe

Thats a direct quote from orokin engineer blabas

[runic bronze]

ig the earth does need nutrients form living matter

im not doing a mass genocide, im just returning them to nature

[lilac aspen]

From how he describes Wisp and Saryn
It's like he made some warframes to remember Margulis

And her love for life and stuff

[azure elm]

thats actualyl the secret code phrase, welcome to new lohka

[runic bronze]

Yeah Wisp feels even more explicitly like that because of "She came to me in a dream" monolouge he has about her and she has a certain way of acting

idk how to explain it but her animations both in the showcase and ingame have a sort of metronome between very gentle and playful

[lilac aspen]

...
Is this why Wisp is thick

[azure elm]

mommy wisp

[runic bronze]

am i going insane for Wisp crumbs or am i cooking? Who knows but its definitely gonna put me in the grave either way

[azure elm]

cooking on medium heat Id say

[runic bronze]

something is going on but we have no clue what🔥

[proper barn]

Khora is more actually made In her image.

[lilac aspen]

Ballas had a type
Call it a hunch from some of frames he glazed heavily

Bro even asked Hunhow to spare Hildryn out of all the others.

[restive river]

Wisp is just wisp

[runic bronze]

but anyway yeah this is like VERY Margulis(and Lotus) sounding

[restive river]

Hildryn was his guard
That
That’s why he asked him to spare her-

[azure elm]

also, as a note

lotus confronts him at the sun uwu

[lilac aspen]

Nah
Clearly he has a type

[runic bronze]

ig Wisp is the manifestation of his obsession with Margulis taking the form of a nymph that bends everything to her will for the sake of cultivating his new world

Ballas you would have made for a very compelling 1800's horror novel evil lesbian

[proper barn]

@runic bronze https://youtu.be/FEQP2y--LG8?si=-e0PRo8JuN_CgMu_ proof btw

[lilac aspen]

Prime Exacilbur: "Am I your favorite warframe?"
Ballas: "All of you are my favorite."
Leans over to Hildryn Prime
"It's you and by a lot."

[runic bronze]

is there like a 3rd one so we can make the Unholy Trinity of Ballase's poorly disguised fetish

The Khora, The (insert frame here), and The Holy Wisp

[lilac aspen]

Considering he had no reaction to hearing two Orokin were in a relationship with a Dax

Makes sense

Man clearly has a thing for things and thus isn't surprised by others having their own thing for things too

[proper barn]

He didn't know about that but also that's not werid.

The part of that story is sad is that they where toxic and loved her too much she was an obsession for them.

Like theirs no value judgments on the type of relationship.

[lilac aspen]

As an Orokin
It's considered extremely taboo to love a Dax.

He knew too when they literally dragged the dying Dax to him to save her.

[runic bronze]

also just to add onto this : look at what Wisp is fighting in response to his little world getting destroyed in her prime trailer

[proper barn]

Other way around. The Orokin can do whatever they want but the other people can't. Like Margulis is punished for being in a relationship and helping the tenno but Ballas isn't.

[azure elm]

yep

the orokin are the definition of rules for thee, not for me

[proper barn]

yeah.

[strange turtle]

No it still was taboo, probably just a social one, but still taboo

"For all their talk of 'forever', they wearied of her immediately. Now that the relationship was no longer taboo, they abandoned it.

[proper barn]

Anyway we support the Poly couple in being Poly they are just also EVIL.

[runic bronze]

yes

if they werent horrible they wouldnt have had their faces blasted off once Dagath got her makeover

[proper barn]

No it was probably illegal look at like the low guardians and stuff. I think even from the kim chats we have confirmation of such a thing.

[strange turtle]

I meant for the Orokin side

[proper barn]

The Orokin are all about crossing boundaries and Taboos and even their own great laws.

See sentients. Orokin are very thrill seeking as a class.

[runic bronze]

i feel like the Orokin are just in the same position as royalty back in history where we all know now that they had plenty of affairs and allat, sure it was "shameful" but not enough to cause a scene

they can have their Dax toy as long as they dont make a scene out of it, same with most other laws

as for anyone of lower ranking? Jade and Stalker treatment

[lilac aspen]

Usually they get killed or something. I think Ballas was particularly salty with Jade and Stalker

[runic bronze]

Ballas was personaly offended by their vibe

[azure elm]

https://tenor.com/view/ballas-warframe-screaming-muffled-screaming-horror-gif-18251400

[azure jasper]

"How dare you have a healthy relationship! To Warframes with the both of you!"

[azure elm]

darn, finally hit that point

no new convos today

[old dome]

...wasnt margie punished only for being a mom to the tenno & not for the relationship??

[proper barn]

for many things.

Ballas was probably gonna make it where she would have lived if she acted Small and Remorseful.

[old dome]

yeah that part i know...

i didnt know abt her being punished for the relationship she had w bald ahh

[proper barn]

I mean

we know it was illegal idk if she was punished for that specificlly.

[strange plinth]

"bald ahh" is a new one

[proper barn]

It seems like she wasn't even being punished just she had to go before the 7 and just wanted to make a point.

But I would have to look at the lore again.

[north ferry]

Margulis? I believe she defied the seven by not killing the Tenno, or she defied the Seven by advocating for Tenno at all.

[old dome]

it doesnt help that baldy over there is one hell of an unreliable narrator...

[north ferry]

I... don't recall anything about being punished for her relationship except Ballas himself.

[brittle siren]

does Entrati family made any secondary weapon?

[woven coyote]

That pistol that looks like a warhammer bolter

Keep forgetting its name but its the counterpart of the trumna

[drifting mirage]

Sepulcrum or w/e?

[woven coyote]

Prolly

[brittle siren]

oh damn

no wonder why his voice so feminine in this part

Now I really want to know who voice all the murmur sound

[hexed oxide]

im trying and failing to translate this sign, am i stupid ?

[brittle siren]

maybe check Orokin one?

nvm, maybe it's a new word

[polar bobcat]

sale 70% off it looks like?

[hexed oxide]

i forgot it's not a 1:1 translation and both orokin and 1999 look like phonetic transcriptions...

[humble sierra]

Yeah this looks right

S L = Say Uhl = Sale

And then next to the 70 seems to be something like Up To, and after the 70 is 'F' for off

[hexed oxide]

dmstk eemb ?

[azure elm]

no more Kim messages :c

And knowing de, possibly never

[old dome]

...til that the awakening cutscenes in the very beginning of the game is. the tenno uprising.

there were so many daxes in the cinematic

[azure elm]

its safe to assume as part of the oro vanguard, we killed...basically all the dax

but the dax fall into the jedi catagory, theres always gonna be more if you need them for narative

[proper barn]

During the fall so probably soon after but yeah.

Teshin is one of the only dax for a reason.

[old dome]

yeah but i didnt realize THATS what the cinematic was about until now...

[north jolt]

You know what really annoys me about that pistol's design?

That when you reload it looks like you're just loading a smaller pistol into it!

[woven coyote]

Lol

[tall echo]

Maybe try to find a chart that doesn't try to translate the letters into singular letters

[brittle siren]

Unless DE is trolling us, if there is going to be a new Cinematic, it has to be New War scale, like Void War or Tau

[restive river]

What if
And hear me out
The void war involved Tau

What better way to introduce Tau than a huge cinematic quest that involves current happenings :)

I mean with all the Tau mentions with 1999 I do think it will be explored to some degree

[proper barn]

We are getting a big cinematic quest pretty frequently now.

But cinematic trailers isn't that werid.

[woven coyote]

Still think albrecht wants to lead us to knowledge from tau and not actual physical tau

[viscid aspen]

It's probably going to

Or at the very least the Void War ends with a first look at Tau or our ship going there or something like that, like Wally appearing at the end of New War

[old basin]

When I found tau damage on my Excalibur umbra mods I was so confused at first

But just want more content and I’m getting good at being waiting for it

But it’s slowly soul crushing

[restive river]

Have faith and patience with DE
Rebb and her team know how to COOK

[brittle siren]

btw unrelated, could anyone check if the Mall Stage is bugged, no music playing even I repeatedly pressing all the choice

[brittle siren]

I keep forget tau dmg is a thing and Umbra melee mod give you that

[old basin]

I know my patience continues to grow and in the meantime I’ll get to rank 17 because it takes about 30 weapons to get there

[old basin]

I just froget about it but it’s handy anyway when I play umbra I have no main just a few I like play which is temple umbra and volt I got all 3 skins for them too

[proper barn]

okay to be fair

We actually have content to do between drops now.

WE didn't for the longest time but now we have ETA and EDA.

Which are good end game farms.

[old basin]

What prime time I don’t pay attention to those when I watch them I take from the game and wiki

[proper barn]

what?

Prime time?

EDA and ETA are just you need to have Steel path done.

or unlocked.

I think. WAIT let me look.

[old basin]

Ok what does Eda and eta mean in this context

[proper barn]

Oh

elite deep archimedia

and Elite temportal Archidemia.

[old basin]

Oh yeah I’m doing those it just talks about temporal spegitti 1999 is

[proper barn]

Temporal Archemedia is really fun.

Cuz it has STICKERS.

[old basin]

Yay and if you do it right 300 plat every week

[proper barn]

okay @old basin EDA and ETA are unlocked when you do the base mode with all modifiers and frame/weapons picked. which unlocks the elite verison forever.

it's really good for things like tau pieces and arcanes and stuff.

[old basin]

I know I use it as a way to get atleast 150 every week

[proper barn]

what do you mean?

i mean i just use it to get the rewards.

I like the rewards.

[old basin]

I sell arcane hotshot fallout and escapist as I don’t like them and get at least 150 every week

[proper barn]

hotshot and fallout are great.

wait are you doing elite right?

[old basin]

For others yeah they just don’t fit my playstyle

[proper barn]

you get enough of the currency every week to buy a arcane.

[old basin]

I get enough to buy 3

One of each of those 3

[proper barn]

OH

15

you know some of the stickers give you more right?

there are 3 negative ones.

that give you a extra currency when you use them.

[old basin]

I only got 1 of those and I don’t use them 15 chips is enough for me

[proper barn]

okay.

the stickers are so cool.

also are you not doing normal EDA? you should. then you have enough to do 1 netracell.

[old basin]

I use them and some are good

[old basin]

What’s the eda

[proper barn]

it's what ETA is based on

[plush phoenix]

straight up could not clear stage 2 of ETA today

im out here humiliating myself

[proper barn]

i wanna know what warframe you play. Cuz you are quite baffling to me.

[old basin]

I use many I don’t have a definite main I have a few I play the most

[plush phoenix]

well theyre probably new

[old basin]

I’m not new iv been playing 2 years

[proper barn]

EDA is what robot Loid in the whispers place gives you.

Like you know where you get dante? if you reach rank 5 there you can do basiclly what ETA is but without stickers.

also netracells are the things Tagfer lets you do.

[azure elm]

im not doin the eta tomorrow unless it doesn't have a defense mission

those are too cursed

[plush phoenix]

im okay with defense but my rolls just did not work for it at all

and vamp rock is nasty

[old basin]

Oh that’s just a defense mission

[azure elm]

they either need to allow healing flare through operator vazarin and other targetted heals or not have the heal drain be so nasty

[proper barn]

No

it's 3 missions in row like ETA.

[plush phoenix]

you actually can heal flare through vaz dash it's just like. not nearly enough

you have to transference outside the radius

[azure elm]

i couldn't get him to heal at all with it

and I was spamming like a mad healer

[proper barn]

how did you do ETA BEFORE EDA?

[plush phoenix]

flare isnt a him but you can definitely heal them

[old basin]

Then I’m missing something

[proper barn]

i wanna know.

Robot LOID

when you get to rank 5 with the cavia. he lets you do EDA.

WHich is what ETA is based on.

[azure elm]

i know they aren't i just struggle to keep the pronouns on my mind every time im complaining about something else

[old basin]

Ohhhh I’m not rank 5 yet

[plush phoenix]

warframe progression isnt always totally linear idk why this is so baffling to you

[proper barn]

i mean idk in my mind

ETA is like only used by people that already know what EDA is.

[plush phoenix]

sometimes you have to adapt to new information

[old basin]

I just did netra cells and bought furniture there and that was it

[proper barn]

that's so funny. get to rank 5. wait did you get the archons shard segemtn from there?

it lets you make funny colors and turn 3 normal shards into a tau.

[old basin]

You need to be like r2 or 3 not 5 or they changed it because I got it

[proper barn]

you got what?

[old basin]

The segment

[proper barn]

yeah

pretty sure the segment was earlier.

[old basin]

I’m rank 3 with them and just stoped worrying about it

[proper barn]

also i love the cavia's story.

but yeah EDA is great it's a good way to get shards forma and arcanes.

[old basin]

Ok

And my mains are temple volt umbra gauss I got the skins for temple umbra and volt I traded for the plat

[proper barn]

Yo

Umbra did get a big boost

from the Exalted buff.

[old basin]

I know before I got volt prime he was my main then it was volt then it was both of them the temple join the mix and because of the time umbra was my mian he stands as my most used warframe

[proper barn]

yee.

I have used a lot of lavos prime since he came out.

[old basin]

Well I just played with the stuff I had I believe I had 3 warframes then

I have caliban cyte-09(not his skin yet) umbra Dante gauss prime Grendel prime limbo protia prime revenant temple vauban and volt prime

And have subsumed many others

[proper barn]

Cool beans.

any lore questions?

[old basin]

Nope I’m doing research

You are in the little pop out window in my iPad

[proper barn]

Cool beans.

[old basin]

Yup

[proper barn]

if you have any questions or want any clarifactions ask.

[old basin]

I’m not gonna look in my codex because I have had many warframes in general I had like 20 total counting subsumed ones

[old basin]

Ok I will

[proper barn]

Wait why are you subsuming Coda?

you should kill them mostly unless you wanna trade them.

[old basin]

Whose coda do you mean cyte-09

[proper barn]

you said Coda

[old basin]

I meant codex

[proper barn]

oh you meant Codex okay.

[old basin]

I’m building a second temple to subsume

Because his ability im not passing up

[proper barn]

their but also i get it.

I just got a BP to naturally drop which was nice.

[old basin]

Nice and why do I keep saying he

3rd time in 2 hours

[proper barn]

idk

not used to saying they i guess.

[old basin]

Yup

[humble sierra]

Yeah it's good you're trying though

That's the important thing

[old basin]

I am trying I just keep failing

[proper barn]

well the fact you care and trying matters the most.

[blissful merlin]

It happens. Most important part is that you’re actually trying. So good job 🙂

[proper barn]

Yeppers.

[woven coyote]

In my case i get that mixed up because my first language doesnt even have neutral pronoums so when it happens its because i was thinking in one language and typing in another lol

[proper barn]

I don't think anyone would ever get mad at you if it's a honest mistake or you actaully didn't know and or if you are trying.

[old basin]

Well i only know of one nonbinary person and that’s flare so

[proper barn]

anyone that does get mad at people trying i think actually hurts people that are trying or could try.

anyway.

[old basin]

I agree

[proper barn]

well i hope you meet a actual nonbinary person in real life at some point. you might have already and not even KNOWN they are AMOUNG US.

they sleep in the same homes we sleep in they steal your gender while you sleep/s

[old basin]

Check my profile I don’t think they can take my gender

[proper barn]

Saber where do they think they all get their ADHD?

Prime target actually.

[old basin]

The adhd well

My mix of adhd and tiredness is undesirable to all

[blissful merlin]

That’s a whole mood lol

[proper barn]

then why do i know so many lgbt+ people that are nuerodivergent and bad at sleeping saber?

all the baddies are ahd and sleep i don't know what you want. It's true.

[blissful merlin]

25 here (gay hehe) and terrible insomnia. I can go without sleep for 48 hours or more and be fine…but after that my body crashes and is like “now what did we just do? Retreat into the void now”

[proper barn]

see

you're 2/3rds way there.

now I know gender expression and sexuality aren't the same but that's not as funny.

[old basin]

I just want to finally have a good sleep schedule and for me to just pass middle and high school so I can sleep till 12 and still be very tired

[proper barn]

okay i will say part of this is like as long as you get a good sleep it doesn't matter if you sleep "during the day" or "not normal hours" it matters more you get enough rest and it's regular.

[blissful merlin]

My doctor saw how bad my insomnia was at 19 and was like “bro you need ambien why are you going weeks without sleep?”

MAM IDK?!?! 😭😭😭

[old basin]

I fall asleep at 2 and naturally wake at 12 and get extra sleep by sleeping in classes that have me do nothing

[proper barn]

then you should be fine.

are you getting actually restful sleep?

[blissful merlin]

The restful sleep is what actually matters

[old basin]

No I haven’t had good sleep in months a goods night sleep is rare for me I sleep but it’s not sleep it’s me unconscious

[proper barn]

okay.

sure. I get school.

[old basin]

?

Anyways I think there is something really wrong with me

[proper barn]

you said School

school is stressful.

also there's stuff wrong with everybody.

[old basin]

I said I sleep in classes that have me do nothing with is 2 classes so I get a extra 1hour 40 minutes of sleep

Why are we talking about sleep in the lore discussion channel

[proper barn]

idk

do you have a lore question?

[woven coyote]

Uhhhh something something second dream

[old basin]

Nope and it don’t matter unless someone with a question texts in

[blissful merlin]

This is why we started talking about sleep lol. We’re just tryna check on you and such.

[proper barn]

i mean

This is empathy

Saber. don't run from empathy.

You play warframe where empathy is a super power.

[old basin]

I’m not and I’m gonna look up the textbook definition of empathy is because I feel like I’m missing something

[proper barn]

Okay

WHat do the tenno do to get umbra to be calm?

[old basin]

Yes at least a bit

[proper barn]

it's literally empathy it's why all the warframes only listen to tenno and not orokin.

[blissful merlin]

We’re all also a pretty big accepting community for the most part. We’re here if you need anything. Like if you need anything fr, you can always DM me and I’ll be there to listen.

[proper barn]

also

This community very neurodivergent very not normal.

you are in a lore channel it's just weaponized Autism and special intrests.

[old basin]

I’ll keep that in mind @blissful merlin

@proper barn probably

[graceful swan]

Autism Prime

[proper barn]

Also Rell Literally Held down WAlly for over 1k years

of pure willpower by himself. NO ONE ELSE DID THAT.

and he was austitic.

[blissful merlin]

https://tenor.com/view/that-part-jada-pinkett-smith-point-rtt-red-table-talk-gif-16259099

[old basin]

He did what @proper barn

[proper barn]

yeah.

[blissful merlin]

The legend

[old basin]

Also @blissful merlin can I send a friend request for when I do wanna talk to you

Well color me surprised I need a story break down of warframe

[blissful merlin]

Of course!!!

[proper barn]

Albretch even calls him "the sentinel" in his PC logs.

oh the PC in The whispers place has a lot of summaries @old basin

the PC beside flesh loid.

[graceful swan]

A better question is how does Albrecht even know about all these events

[blissful merlin]

https://www.warframe.com/media/comics/rel

rell’s comic if you’d like a visual aid on his beginning lore a bit

[old basin]

I’m about to scream right now

[proper barn]

uhhh His PC does. But @graceful swan Rell would be alive during while albretch was still in the system.

[proper barn]

good or bad?

the old PC beside loid in the sanctum atomica has some summaries.

[old basin]

Both I guess I just feel a almost empty part in my throat that can only be cured by screaming

[proper barn]

i mean

that's fine i do that it gets out the mind bees.

[old basin]

It’s outdated I guess it doesn’t pop up just a error message

[proper barn]

or as lettie says "the spiders"

[old basin]

Yup

[old basin]

I’ll look into that

[proper barn]

yee.

[graceful swan]

https://www.warframe.com/media/comics/rell

[proper barn]

Flesh Loid btw

1/2 of the old man yaoi.

[blissful merlin]

The link was just weird for some reason. Nemesis sent the correct one.

[old basin]

I know

[graceful swan]

You missed an l

[proper barn]

l?

then take the L/j

[graceful swan]

I added the L to the record

[manic rover]

I can't believe temple is a borderline bootstrap paradox

[old basin]

What you mean by that

[blissful merlin]

I blame Apple lol. I copied the link in full and that’s what it gave. My iPhone hates discord

[manic rover]

After doing Flare's rank 6 convorsation when they have reconciled with Lizzie, you get send an inbox message with Flare's thoughts about how the warframe's name is Temple, even though their stage name is Temple.

[old basin]

Oh that yeah I got my head around that already plus I got them and the skin

[manic rover]

they say something about the Temple in the Origin System being a fully warframed Flare.

thousands of years in the future

One of the warframes that sparked the Night of the Naga Drums (the fall of the orokin empire)

this makes me think that either Temple (before being named like that) was a kind of cerominal warframe made by Ballas but when Flare became Temple, it took the "rocker aesthetic" and instead of a Shawzin let's say, it became a Guitar

This idea really mind breaks you about the nature of the 1999 time loop

[old basin]

No not really for someone who likes thinking about this stuff

[graceful swan]

Temple was designed by Ballas but not actually ever built

Albrecht took those plans

[old basin]

I take it as entrati designed him not ballas,ballas was afraid to build him

[manic rover]

the current Temple must be a combination of Flare's "soul" and the unnamed Temple strain because Ballas couldn't possible know what an electric guitar is. We have seen warframe being shaped by the victim's personality. Stalker was an Excalibur, etc.

[manic rover]

We don't know exacrtly how Albrecht got the vials

[old basin]

He made them

[blissful merlin]

Maybe the infestation just remembered how flare was, or how temple was (???) and just formed flare into that whenever they were injected

[manic rover]

I entertain the idea that Albrecht took a "piece" of the present Temple and gave it to Flare.. making Temple's a whole existence.. a causal loop..

[old basin]

Saying stuff like that will give me a existential crisis however

[manic rover]

We have pretty much know that the codas appearing in the origin system is because the infestation's hivemind trascends time and reconstructed the codas in our time.

IT COULD BE THAT TEMPLE in the origin system is none other than a reconstructed Flare.. because the infestation loves them so much..

it loves them so much it reconstructed him to KEEP THEIR PROMISE TO BE THEIR IN THE NIGHT OF THE NAGA DRUMS

[manic rover]

My point still applies.

as the story is unfold I can't help but feel sympathy for the infestation

[old basin]

I agree with you but he said he was hibernating not decomposing

[old basin]

I feel it too

[manic rover]

they had the idea to hibernate in a comet that goes around every umpty thousands years so if they strapped themselves there they would be right on time for the night with Lizzie doing the maintencne