lore-discussion

[humble sierra]

Garuda and Baruuk first

[winged flume]

I just want to see, use, and know who made up Xaku as we know them.

[humble sierra]

Caliban and Xaku have lots of lore in comparison to them

[winged flume]

That's fair.

[frosty bronze]

I support this and would like for Caliban to whup Pazuul. Who stuck an Archon Shard on Erra's corpse? Seriously, I just want to talk.

[spice spade]

Gonna say that Eternalism seems like Multiverse Theory at this point
We can have a Kaya that has and hasn't time traveled, and we can also make her NOT Time Travel by making them all forget when the new years comes around.

[humble sierra]

Yeah Eternalism is just multiverse stuff

[winged flume]

With Eternalism we can get away with buisness as usual in the Origin system, like the Grineer being our bad guys most updates, as this game still hase new players and such.

[spice spade]

Man now I feel like Albrecht going into the past to reach Tau via Zariman is possible.

It'll just create a different "Universe" with Albrecht reaching Tau, and there is no Tenno or Sentients.

[frosty bronze]

The Origin System is a cool and massive, already set up space for missions. With the boss reworks and lighting updates to the old tilesets, we could be in for all kinds of cool things.

[winged flume]

DE make Sands of Inaros replayable cowards, I love you; please. I'm sorry. I just like that quest.

[spice spade]

They won't purely for the massive Kavat Swarm 😔

[winged flume]

I honestly didn't mind it.

[spice spade]

I mean...it's very very easy access to Kavat Genetic Codes.

is what I'm saying.

[winged flume]

I stil don't see a problem with it, I just want to relive Baro lore.

[lean garden]

I will caveat that this is our kaya no matter what it is, so like even if you want to read warframe's applied eternalism as a multiverse theory, this isnt the case for a multiverse

[spice spade]

I mean the fact that we can choose if Kaya Time Travels is enough proof for me of Eternalism.

[lean garden]

Theres no need for kaya to be "proof" of eternalism, we already are the proof

But this kaya is our kaya

[spice spade]

I'm not arguing that she's not.

It just feels like time travel in Warframe doesn't run on the strict single timeline.

I guess it also means the Infested can technically time travel too with the Coda Showdown in RJ

[lean garden]

DE's answer to this is "the coda can fester and linger, but also they have a peculiar relationship with time"

So read that as you will

[humble sierra]

Sick theory

[lean garden]

With the application of the lua time rifts, we can tell that the mcu style time travel is not a proper match the the shenanigans that warframe has

[spice spade]

As it stands it just feels like the Timeline has branches. Onkko mentions different possibilities, and Baro taking the deal where all different versions of him are sandwiched into one.

[feral cape]

Onkko sees everything that might happen

[lean garden]

Sure, this is what warframe's eternalism expressely suggests. However kaya isnt the manifesation of that

[feral cape]

Baros thing I'm not even sure if it's actually real anymore

Given that many things suggest other timelines still exist

[lean garden]

Imagine if its still real and we just robbed the baros of other timelines

[winged flume]

I can't wait for the Jordas Precept node and quest to be overhauled.

I am going to miss the original Corpus ship locations even if they're infested, unless DE keeps them because of Lore reasons to which, rad. Please do so.

[feral cape]

Lol

[winged flume]

Also, I'd like to visit Unum from Cetus please. I want to see what she knows, and talk with her again outside the context of "full concetrated power of the sun".gif

[feral cape]

She knows everything that might happen

[proper barn]

Ehhhh the more likely way is just rebuild the solar rail.

[feral cape]

She can tell with no certainty what will happen

But she can make suggestions to push everything towards one outcome or the other

Or most people's lives are deterministic and she can tell you with absolute certainty what will happen to them

[proper barn]

Cuz all that is stopping us from going to tau is the fact the solar rail is destroyed. Well the origin system side. If we repaired it it would work. It worked in the old war. @spice spade

[feral cape]

With only her select few being free to make there own fate and decide the outcome of the universe

[proper barn]

More than a suggestion.

[proper barn]

Also why I think Pazuul is trying to repair the solar rail.

[feral cape]

Well it's definitely a suggestion to the grand scheme of fate

[brittle siren]

So how to reach best friend with her

[feral cape]

After all what exactly is she going to do if the quills just dont

[spice spade]

I'm still clinging to the voiceline of Yonta saying if she could do it all over again, they could make the jump to Tau.
And with Albrecht being Orokin...he'd probably want the Zariman jump to succeed for colonizing Tau rather than the Sentients doing it.
Unless the Yonta voiceline is a red herring and is misdirection.

[humble sierra]

You need to tell her about the Argon Crystals

[proper barn]

No I mean she literally reachs into the minds of people shows them the possible outcomes to effect the outcome. It's what she did to Onkko.

[brittle siren]

But I did...?

[humble sierra]

Must be a bug then

[strange plinth]

yonta also mentions the zariman preventing the void flooding into the system, need a new cork for the bottle if we take the zariman out

[humble sierra]

Flare's chat is bugged too

[feral cape]

Yes and what will she do if say onkko just doesn't care

[proper barn]

I mean the Zariman can't be moved it also isn't functional.

[feral cape]

She can be nothing more than what she is her quills are the ones with power

[proper barn]

He cares about his love otherwise he wouldn't be jn that situation.

[feral cape]

That is not my point

[proper barn]

I still think rebuild the solar rail to tau cuz Hunhow only destroyed our side is the way we get to Tau. OR even just use the RJ.

[feral cape]

If someone given this power decides against any collective obligation towards the betterment of the universe she can't stop them from what we've seen

She can't actually force people to do anything

[spice spade]

if the Warframe timeline is linear, yes Albrecht doing that will just cause us to be gone, poof, cease to exist.
but if the Warframe timeline has branches I don't see why that'd be relevant.

[feral cape]

The first part isn't true

Palpimset of space time suggests that the universe will right itself eventually

In some capacity at least

[spice spade]

So, linear, single timeline.

[feral cape]

To us

Yes the other timelines don't matter we can't go to them

[proper barn]

I don't know if they are real

[feral cape]

Think of space and time as separate for just a moment

Amongst space i can move along x y and z

[proper barn]

Or just the void sometimes spits out stuff from them.

[feral cape]

Amongst time I can move along x but not y or z

[proper barn]

And any massive change keeps some echoes in the Void.

[spice spade]

We can change Kaya's Timeline of events by either having her Time Travel, or not.

Right?

[proper barn]

Eh I don't know if the bad ending is cannon.

[lean garden]

Theyre real but not necessarily real^2

We be real^2 they be real

[proper barn]

Yeah. The Tablet from duviri that talks about like "the original outcome will still linger" or whatever I still think about.

[lean garden]

Oh wait I can superscript

We be real² they be real

[lean garden]

Persist, thats the word

Events can be changed, but traces of the original persist

[proper barn]

Also unrelated to anything. Just so all y'all know. We beat Wally in Whispers with Albretch's and Loid's love for each other.

Just throwing that out there for no particular reason.

[lean garden]

Old man yaoi

[strange plinth]

i mean, that's why we're playing therapist in 1999
positive emotion weakens wally

[proper barn]

Yeppers. Anyone that says like "DE brought politics into warframe" has never looked at the lore ever and I pitty you.

And your tiny brain.

[lean garden]

We have an overtly militaristic faction, and corporate greed in a nutshell faction and oligarchs galore in another. Gee thats just apolitical

-# anyone who says something is apolitcal just has no idea how far politics goes. You may not care about politics but politics cares about you.

[proper barn]

We had gay relationships and like a bi woman and stuff before we had a cis straight couple. It's great. Ticker is a trans woman. All things.

[proper barn]

"I want my great Apolitical games like New Vegas and Bioshock and Metal Gear".

[smoky solstice]

Tbf I don't see this sentiment out there much anymore, there's obviously still people out there like this, but not nearly as many as there used to be

[proper barn]

I agree. Especially the people that know lore and stuff Especially in Warframe mostly very very good people. Just today there was a little bit of a small dust up.

From a guy that already did stuff like this before.

[smoky solstice]

Closest thing recently was the whole knightmareframe thing, but in his defence, he clearly doesn't give a crap about the lore, and at least doesn't actively complain about it. Not defending him, just like don't see too many people going all up in arms about Warframe doing politics, even if they don't like that aspect

[smoky solstice]

Oh, really? I see

[strange plinth]

it was the double-down with him, really

[proper barn]

it was him and he made a new video he's done this before about xaku and stuff.

[smoky solstice]

Oh, haven't seen it, idk why even bother, bro just said that in the comments, should've left it as is

[proper barn]

I think we should push out those kind of people.

[humble sierra]

We all lift together

[proper barn]

Ticker is even a trans woman what are we even doing?

[smoky solstice]

Ok the video wasn't as bad as I thought, I mean like most of it is telling his community "I don't care that DE removed my glyph, don't harass DE"

[smoky solstice]

Yeah but some people do draw a line at specifically non-binary, even if they're cool with trans people (are non-binary people considered trans? you get what I mean though)

[proper barn]

You can't tell me "I put this Asmongold clip about neo pronouns in I am just a little guy".

[proper barn]

Yeah there bad people.

Easy. Liger is a main like designer of frames now they are non-binary.

[limber pulsar]

and the people who throw a tantrum over having a nonbinary person in their game should be kicked out of the community. its not complicated

[smoky solstice]

Didn't say that, more just like he has his opinions and is telling his community not to go after DE for this since it's not a big deal, it's not like he's going full aggro with this

[proper barn]

Like I hope you didn't like Sevagoth or the new Rhino skin.

[smoky solstice]

Yeah, my point exactly is that he's not throwing a tantrum, that's why I said it doesn't seem huge to me

[proper barn]

He has bad opinions.

[strange plinth]

answering your question, nb falls under the trans umbrella to most, yeah
defining yourself as something other than agab

[limber pulsar]

do you think that repeatedly insisting that you absolutely refuse to use a trans persons pronouns is just a friendly civil discussion?

[smoky solstice]

He said a thing in the comments, got his glyph removed, made a 5 minute video mostly telling his community to chill and reaffirming his beliefs, he's not like making a bigger deal out of this than it is. I mean obviously not ideal but as far as people with those beliefs go, it's about as good as I'd expect

[humble sierra]

It's a case by case thing too but I don't think any NB person would take much offense to you initially assuming they consider themselves trans, so long as you're not an AHole about it

I mean ultimately that's the crux of it all

Don't be an Ahole

KMF was being an Ahole

[smoky solstice]

It's not really about this though, I'm saying he has his little community (which judging from the comments is not very good in this regard) and at least isn't causing a shitstorm over it

[proper barn]

In that video he put in Asmongold talking about "ITS IN OUR GAMES THEY IS TOO FAR"

Come on dawg.

Also the comments on that video are terrible.

[smoky solstice]

I don't think that was Asmongold's point in that clip at all but that's kinda beside that point

[smoky solstice]

Yeah, his community seems to suck

[proper barn]

It literally was what he said.

Also singular they not a neo pronoun.

[smoky solstice]

Idk I guess I just live in a world where I myself cannot like find agreement even with just mtf/ftm trans people irl, so my standards aren't too high in terms of that. Like if I had people irl agree with me on just that but hold reservations about non-binary people? I see that as a win all things considered. So maybe that's why I don't feel super strongly about some random gamer dude saying this and then deescalating the situation right after.

[proper barn]

What?

[smoky solstice]

Yeah, that was a stupid thing to say, but at the end of his point you could tell he was just talking about they/them

[proper barn]

What do you even mean? Singular they has been a thing for a long time.

[proper barn]

So?

[smoky solstice]

Yeah, and most of the world isn't all that progressive, I live in Lithuania, this isn't new but people here also aren't exactly progressive.

[proper barn]

I disagree.

[limber pulsar]

what “agreements” do trans people need from you? that we should be allowed to live without being harassed? if so, im not particularly bothered by not having your approval

[proper barn]

I get it but I disagree Vanilla.

[smoky solstice]

What? When did it become about me not "approving" of trans people?

[proper barn]

Be fair Cicada vanilla didn't say that.

But Cicada is right people debating it doesn't matter when it's just a thing that is true.

[limber pulsar]

let me be precise, very sorry you failed to accomplish the herculean task of finding agreement with my existence

[smoky solstice]

I'm talking about how I look at people who aren't progressive in terms of this. Like I get it, if you're nb or trans, you're gonna have a different perspective, that's okay, I just live in a world where most people I speak to aren't even there on mtf/ftm. So am I just going to say screw everyone and not interact with anyone?

[proper barn]

That's a toughfy. But where we can we should stand up against it I understand if you can't most of the time.

[smoky solstice]

Yeah, I mean it's not that I don't stand up against it, I think I even managed to shift some of them a little in the right direction, but this stuff takes time and it's not like I alone can change their beliefs in terms of this, especially when these beliefs are often informed by what's accepted in society. Anyway, ik I'm not gonna find full agreement here with everybody, and that's okay. Ig we can leave it there.

[proper barn]

Alright. Warframe lore.

Unum and Gara love each other

Lizzie calls flare "lover"

[lean garden]

In this case considering the full extent of the kim, im quite hesitant to understand that in a romantic context

Because not only is Lizzie part of Flare as both made from them and is their music

Lizzie's qualifier for love is something to do with "laying down their life"

Which is more heavily reminiscent of the Christ-like kind of love

Ala "no greater love than this, that for a man to lay down his life for his friend"

Which isnt to say that the word "friend" denotes it as platonic or philio (friendship) love, but this isnt an eros (romantic) kind of love

Its an agape kind of love

[proper barn]

I hope it is.

It's funny if it is.

[lean garden]

Its bringing a very interesting take on loving yourself lol

[vagrant lotus]

I’m trying to decide what to throw at my D&D party next… Can I get some more people to vote on it?

[stray gale]

why not all 4 at once?

undead dragon mother who comes back to life from her long-dead skeleton to take revenge on all her dragon children the party may or may not have slaughtered

sindragosa type beat

[vagrant lotus]

You know…

I like you. You’re fun.

[stray gale]

🙂

the druid comes in that she has vegetation grown over her to really emphasise how long she's been dead for, perhaps

[smoky solstice]

...mother?

is that a dnd thing

or are we talking warframe mother

[vagrant lotus]

Mother is really just the necromancer bringing the party’s mom back to mess with them

[smoky solstice]

so you get a two in one there

[vagrant lotus]

Pretty much

[smoky solstice]

I just voted for necromancer though

[vagrant lotus]

If necromancer gets majority I won’t traumatize my players, if mother gets majority… well… you know

[smoky solstice]

risky but ig sometimes you just gotta take a leap

[vagrant lotus]

Yeah

[brittle siren]

I think Flare chat is bugged, otherwise how on earth this happened?

[proper barn]

you still have 1 more Day

come on just give it one more day.

[brittle siren]

oh ok

[lean garden]

Ngl I thought you were asking for warframes lol being:
Nekros
Chroma
Oberon
Jade

[brittle siren]

this is getting out of hand, she even invade the Relay statue

btw, why DE choose Laruda Relay out of any place? From BoB to Kaya location to stay at choice?

[humble sierra]

BoB is because you collected Jade's motes and sent them into the sun

Larunda was chosen because Mercury's the closest planet to the sun

Idk about Kaya but maybe it'll be relevant

[brittle siren]

ah yeah right, forgot about that

[proper barn]

Cuz Laruda doesn't have anything goin on.

[humble sierra]

It would be funny if we failed the next Fomorian/Razorback and Larunda gets blown up

[brittle siren]

well other relay too though, wish she could move from many places sometime

[proper barn]

Arkadia

I don't think it's possible

for that to happen anymore.

[brittle siren]

also she said in 1999 SU forever or sth

[humble sierra]

me to DE

[brittle siren]

so she met one of SU member

[drowsy saddle]

My guess is that the sun is 0,0 on the solar coordinate system, so larunda is the closest to dead center on any sort of navigation formula kaya used

[proper barn]

Okay cuz we want those to exist for new players and it's not a fun mechanic.

that's why.

[humble sierra]

Yeah safe to say she's going around the whole Origin system, she's just resting her heels in Larunda Relay

[proper barn]

i wouldn't be suprised if we actually rebuild another relay.

[drowsy saddle]

I wonder what her mode of transportation is? Does she just... Hitchhike?

[proper barn]

cuz we already re-built one.

[drowsy saddle]

Does she have a towel?

[proper barn]

She is basiclly a warframe/tenno and the relays are tenno/lotus like Areas. Like all the hubs we go to is cuz they really like us and need our help.

so like I think anyone in the Relay would take her where she would wanna go.

Even Alad V like did A LOT OF STUFF to help us just for a FAVOR.

[brittle siren]

Or she use portal ability

[proper barn]

AND HE DOESN'T EVEN LIKE US

imagine all these people in the Relay that exist cuz Lotus made a safe space for them.

[brittle siren]

I mean she did using it when transferring from Nova to herself

[woven coyote]

Not to mention freelancers like LD

[brittle siren]

Wait, so did she made a device to travel in time, or she upgrade her Nova abilities to travel not only space, but now time too?

[humble sierra]

Probably a device

[proper barn]

that is also possible but just like imagine for a second if we asked a SU that is taking refuge in a relay "hey can you take me to Fortuna" they would probably say yeah.

[humble sierra]

Not dissimilar to the one Entrati used

[proper barn]

Yes.

i would say yes. ALSO ENTRATI uses his to get from a MOON to earth i feel like we didn't talk about this enough.

[humble sierra]

Tbf it's less of time travel and more Void travel

The void is the gateway through time and space

[brittle siren]

True, still she kinda escape the loop and survive

[drowsy saddle]

Tbf space and time are very intertwined, fiddle with one and you fiddle with the other

[humble sierra]

You just slap your coordinates in and it'll put you where you need to go

[drowsy saddle]

Also does kaya just hop on different transports? Stowaway style or like, security escort deal in exchange for being allowed on board? Is there a rail tractor public transport service? Does she help out lil duck and hitch a ride with her? So many questions about how society works in the origin system outside the major factions

[proper barn]

That

is what we where just talking about.

But she is basiclly a warframe/tenno person and she's in a lotus Controlled area. i think they would help her.

[brittle siren]

I mean she could just meet another tenno and ask Lotus to add her in the system, or she could be already in since she also have transference bolt in her too?

[proper barn]

also that.

Like I feel like she wouldn't have a problem.

[brittle siren]

So basically she is a Tenno

[humble sierra]

Crazy theory: DE says they're done with 1999 because all the Hex are now going to the future, thanks to Kaya.
Evidence:

• Tweet says "Techrot Encore marks the end of the #Warframe : 1999 Era for the time being", doesn't mean they're moving on from the protoframes, just the 1999 ERA
• Kaya's "good ending" is the easiest out of all the new chats to acquire. The only thing you have to do is make sure you talk about Argon Crystals, and you're set, opposed to Lizzie/Flare and Veliminerva requiring careful decision-making over multiple conversations Kaya's chat being so easy to get makes it feel like it's because DE wants to guarantee it. Ensuring the player helps Kaya learn about time-travel keeps things ready for the future.

[brittle siren]

She also said "say hi to the Lotus for me" in 1999

[proper barn]

most of the greater system don't know about the tenno Ranoru.

[brittle siren]

Velimir is hard?

[humble sierra]

It's much easier to mess up

Kaya's Argon Crystal chat even gives you like 3 chances

[drowsy saddle]

Kaya's Hitchhiker's Guide to the Origin System

Rule 1: If you wanna survive out there, always know where your towel is

[brittle siren]

Are they? I mean Grineer have fighting Tenno since Orokin fall and Corpus is also sometime oppose the Lotus

[proper barn]

Grineer are a enemy and they also don't live long.

also Kaya mentions MAROO letsgo

[drowsy saddle]

Most people know about the warframes, but not the fact that Tenno is the child pilot and not the actual suit walking around

[brittle siren]

Oh lmao
Well it could be because Kaya time travel can help moving foward the story instead of letting the Hex stuck in 1999 forever

If so pls DE make them appear in Drifter Base too, the more the merrier

[proper barn]

even in the old war. They where seen as MYTHS even.

the warframes themsleves

[brittle siren]

Old war is reasonable since they not like mass produce, and imo Zariman only hold at most 1000 kids

Tbh we don't know how many void child are there

[proper barn]

I mean in the old war story the solider goes "how is a tenno in that suit of metal" but they also just thought they where a myth.

[brittle siren]

Oh well they from the Orokin empire. The exact way is unknown (only some Dax and higher up did know)

But from the outside, Warframe/Tenno is like a monster

[drowsy saddle]

I feel like you're underestimating the size of the zariman

[proper barn]

yeah

[brittle siren]

Corpus definitely know Warframe is made from infested

[proper barn]

i agree. i feel like it's small country sized.

[proper barn]

no they don't. Alad V doesn't even know that.

[brittle siren]

He didn't?

I thought he use infested to made himself a warframe

Even Mesa is involved in his "plan"

[humble sierra]

He didn't make himself a Warframe, or even plan to, just make himself stronger I think

[brittle siren]

Also isn't Nidus blueprint come from a Corpus quest? He is the most infested frame, so if the bp from Nef, they definitely know

[humble sierra]

And also control the infestation

[drowsy saddle]

Nidus is from ergo glast

[brittle siren]

Oh
Still ergo is ex-corpus

[humble sierra]

Nidus' BP comes from the quest, yeah, but it's a Colony that worshipped him who gives you the blueprint

[brittle siren]

Oh

[drowsy saddle]

The Glast Gambit

[brittle siren]

Hmmmmmmm

[proper barn]

no ERgo did not make nidus.

[brittle siren]

Ah
Parvos

[proper barn]

also yeah Arkadia.

[brittle siren]

He DEFINITELY know what made the warframe

[humble sierra]

Parvos is the big one actually yeah

If anyone would know, he would

[brittle siren]

If he know, at least all Sister know too

[humble sierra]

But he was lost to the void for who knows how long

[proper barn]

Parvos had one made for him but he did know but a lot of the leadership of factions know just not the average person.

[drowsy saddle]

I meant drom the ergo quest

[brittle siren]

Then again
The Queen know what warframe and Tenno is, they may have share it to some Grineer forces

Parvos clearly help make Protea and he definitely has investigated many Warframe properties

[graceful swan]

Even if they do it’s not like they know where we are

[humble sierra]

I don't think people know the Warframes are infested but they definitely know what a Warframe is

At this point, the Tenno are a known force

[graceful swan]

Most who see us don't last longer than 5 seconds

[drowsy saddle]

Real question is whether there's any leftover shots of helminth laying around? Not much use knowing how to build a warframe when you don't have the core component

[brittle siren]

Well Helminth can conjure 1 without any human to sacrifice in 1999

(Or so we thought)

[proper barn]

the foundry isn't stealing a guy

[drowsy saddle]

Fairly sure that was just a poor sod entrati yoinked just to be a 3 hour flesh puppet

[proper barn]

everytime we make a warframe.

[brittle siren]

The Arthur cutscene

[proper barn]

I mean we send one back it seems.

[brittle siren]

Helminth literally spit out Excal

[drowsy saddle]

I wonder where that excal went? Did we just yeet it into a dumpster? Did we melt it down for parts? Did we just feed it back into the helminth?

[brittle siren]

"Send" here is literally Helminth copy the whole thing HIMSELF and spit out, not because he a portal

[proper barn]

I assume it's the foundry in 1999 works.

i.e. how our orbiter foundry works.

[brittle siren]

Ah no the lore assumes we keep at least 1 Excal in our "storage" all the time

[brittle siren]

Nah, in 1999 foundry still printing the whole thing out

It much different what Helminth did in that cutscene

[graceful swan]

Excalibur always comes back

[humble sierra]

I think it's implied that everything in our inventory in 1999 is just copies of our inventory in the future

[brittle siren]

It like that pod in Deimos keep spitting out more Grey Strain creature

[brittle siren]

Void magik

[drowsy saddle]

Give me double shards DE!

[graceful swan]

Helminth probably just spat out the Excal I gave to Helminth when I made Umbra

[drowsy saddle]

The Operator occasionally sends stuff via KIM delivery, not even Loid understands how the HPS does it

I wonder if the Höllvania postal service uses trucks made by the same people who made the Apex tank?

[graceful swan]

They probably just use the tanks for delivery

[humble sierra]

Actually there's working time-traveling objects in the Entrati labs: those subway trains that show up occassionally

[drowsy saddle]

That's how they get past sanctions, its not a tank! Its a postal delivery vehicle, see? The "Mail Cannon" is used for long range same day shipping

What do you mean postal vehicles shouldn't have composite laminate armor plating? Have you seen the critters in Höllvania?

[stray gale]

that happens all the time irl so, you know, probably

state-owned heavy industries

[drowsy saddle]

I buy all my essentials from Lockheed-Mart

[stray gale]

Mitsubishi is a good example, they make tanks

[drowsy saddle]

Yamaha makes my piano, and my motorbike

Samsung builds apartments and cargo ships

[stray gale]

typically, the motor companies make the chassis and the engine and a different company entirely makes the gun

what is a tank but a car with a gun, anyway

come to think of it, the TI-92 looks like a bespoke military construct as well, so maybe the scaldra do have domestic vehicle production

[lean garden]

Wouldnt be surprised if they were funded as such

[stray gale]

I feel like the scaldra in general are very soviet-coded aesthetically

so they would basically be the government after their own october revolution

[drowsy saddle]

Minerva states that Scaldra is a globally funded operation

[lean garden]

Exactly

[proper barn]

in the minvera and smoker from one piece converstaions they say Rus And Hollvaina used to be at war.

VELAMIR. i keep thinking of him as like "POP-POP" or "FROST GUY" or "PAPA BEAR"

[lean garden]

Was it not Rus and Libertatia?

[proper barn]

never his name.

was it Libertatia?

[lean garden]

Cuz papapolar was directly referring to their version of the Cold War, also called the Cold War

Explaining that his dad defected from Rus to Libertatia

[drowsy saddle]

Also it would make the military gearheads like myself chuckle if scaldra gets their vehicles from Rus, cause soviet gear is funni

[stray gale]

gotta head home for now but there are a lot of design parallels with scaldra that are very reminiscent of western propaganda-ish depictions of the soviet military

[lean garden]

I mean... jupiter is just a modified ax-52 and the ax-52 is...

[proper barn]

do they say hollvaina in it?

[stray gale]

what if the flayer used a hammer and a sickle...

[proper barn]

i don't remember.

[drowsy saddle]

80s action movie kalash

[lean garden]

Not really no. They mention hollvania when theyre talking about neci and scaldra and sneaking in

[proper barn]

i gotta check now.

[azure jasper]

From the KIM chats Scaldra seems to be coded more as a PMC, like Blackwater.

[proper barn]

i would say we fight more than workers than any well propaganda isn't supposed to be true is it?

[proper barn]

morecult coded.

[lean garden]

Well less "PMC"-coded and just outright a PMC

[drowsy saddle]

Private Military Cult

[strange turtle]

Private Militant Cult

[lean garden]

Poopy Moopy Coopy

[drowsy saddle]

Pissin My Chaps

[azure jasper]

It looks like what happened was Hollvania called in Scaldra to contain the Techrot and then Scaldra used the opportunity to pull a coup and take over the town.

[lean garden]

To which one rockin concert and they doodood on the scaldra LMAO

[azure jasper]

Also from the Hex chats, it looks like Hollvania has some larger cultural and/or religious significance to their global society. I'd honestly like to see that explored further.

[drowsy saddle]

Inb4 its the equivalent of Vatican City

[brittle siren]

Also so the "Cold War" in this universe is between Rus(sia) and equivalent of Britain

[lean garden]

Libertatia is the US

The Cold War in here mirrors ours between US/Libertatia and Russia(USSR)/Rus

[brittle siren]

Oh ok

Also lmao

[lean garden]

Acting like Steven didnt have a giant mental breakdown handling the emotional load of everyone else in the series

[graceful swan]

Wally would easily beat Steven

[lean garden]

Brother managed to acquire self-esteem issues by forming the self-perception that he needs to help everyone

Wally flicks him once and he'll crumble

I aint even mean in a powerscaling sense

[graceful swan]

Wally would manipulate that fact

[lean garden]

Wally would pull up to Steven calling him "My Diamond"

Dude got his jimmies rustled when Jasper called him that

[graceful swan]

Twitter comments really show how much people don't know about Warframe

[lean garden]

Nor Steven Universe it seems

God I need to touch grass

[brittle siren]

Btw is Relay really "space mall"? Because beside Baro and that guy keep selling "discount" stuff, what are ppl even selling in there 😭?

[lean garden]

Its a social space for the tenno faction and their civilian allies, shops in these areas arent out of place

[graceful swan]

Baro and Darvo selling stuff makes it a mini mall

[brittle siren]

I mean fair but call it a mall kinda a reach. Maroo relay is more similar to the mall than normal one

[graceful swan]

Also, it has all the Syndicate stores

And Simaris and Teshin shop

[brittle siren]

I mean for the Tenno yeah

Still no food corner though

Wasted potential

[graceful swan]

It’s a mini mall for Tenno operations

Relays sell more stuff than the actual mall in-game

[brittle siren]

He literally the biggest bait for the void to make Duviri 2.0 where it filled with all of his trauma

[brittle siren]

Btw why the human on Earth (beside New Loka) so... poor? Like they are the only faction that really fell behind, while Tenno faction (those that operated relay and such) and New Loka seem pretty fine

[graceful swan]

Humans can come in many sizes and forms

[brittle siren]

I mean the Quill is more advanced but they just sitting in the background and do almost nothing beside guarding Eidolon

[graceful swan]

Cetus also struggle to get food as they can't go fishing without a gun possibly being pointed at them

[strange turtle]

Their situation is kinda skewed

[brittle siren]

Also seem like they are the only village on earth

[graceful swan]

They aren't

They're just the only accessible place as Tenno aren't allowed to go into certain places as it invites danger that's why they use mercenary groups like SM

[stray gale]

aesthetically coded, I mean

and there are a lot of real world soviet inspirations for their gear

[strange turtle]

They have access to tech, but they’re really limited in several ways. The Ostrons and potentially others close enough nearby have to worry about the Eidolons, a not insignificant portion of Earth is too overgrown that even the Grineer struggle with it, and then there’s probably a bunch of Earth that’s still not exactly great to settle

Then there’s also the Grineer occupying Earth

[graceful swan]

We aren't allowed to go to every place in the system

[brittle siren]

Fun fact that you may know: Tau system is actually exist irl, called Tau Ceti

[stray gale]

the jupiter looks like an AK, the apex tank looks like a T-55, the thermian RPG looks like an RPG-7, the sickles are... sickles, the TI-92 looks a bit like a BTR, the mars kinda looks like a beefy makarov, etc

[strange turtle]

So expansion and access to resources is limited, so places like Cetus would naturally occur

[brittle siren]

If not because Unum the Grineer and Corpus are already invading them

[azure jasper]

Fish is more for variety of food than sustenance; the Unum lets the Ostrons eat part of her tower every day, which regrows.

[lean garden]

The only way to be more on the nose is if the sickles were a sickle and a hammer

[stray gale]

precisely

one of the more interesting design elements I noticed was the barbicant's shield having those rectangular effervon charges on them

which spring to mind ERA used on soviet tanks

like what you see on the front here

[graceful swan]

TheJadrimian Asks: What is life like for normal people in the Origin System? We see a lot of individuals hanging around the relays, but are they a privileged few? What about everyone else?

Given that operators spend most of their time in hostile territory it is not unreasonable to assume that there are few 'normal' organics in the Solar System. But civilian settlements do exist, and those that keep far away from zones of conflict can live lives uninterrupted by violence. Such day-to-day tasks may be related to agriculture, scientific development, construction, or the trading of goods.

These locations are no secret, but visiting them is of no concern to us. Contact with any Tenno operative is considered an act of treason by the Grineer, and a potentially exploitable resource by a majority of the Corpus council. Those who work within Tenno relays are in fact a privileged few, but their allegiance to our cause does come at the loss of safety beyond our harbor.

The Lotus works so that no civilian need make contact with a tool of war. Warframes are no exception.

[azure jasper]

I wonder if the "Radiation Wars" weren't against other human factions, but the infestation.

That would explain why Earth isn't basically a second Deimos at this point.

[strange turtle]

Imagine seeing a russian soldier just wearing a bit of ERA like how some Scaldra have Effervon in their armour

[brittle siren]

Well the government of Hollvania have Orokin mindset that only the rich rules and the weak is do the farming for the rich

[graceful swan]

We prevented 2 Infestation attacks on Cetus even if one was a dream

[azure jasper]

Oh, Right, Plague Star.

[brittle siren]

We still don't know where infested or techrot originally coming from

[stray gale]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/QeCiNRTJtjg

[brittle siren]

From space? Made by human? Or just naturally from Earth itself

[azure jasper]

Given the official tweet some years back about Warframe not having anything truly extraterrestrial, it's likely of Earth origin.

Or at least somewhere in the Origin System.

[graceful swan]

Most likely earth

They probably didn't move to the moon until after the Radiation Wars ended

[azure jasper]

I suspect the Technocyte was probably some naturally occuring eukaryote, like a slime mold or something, that the humans (likely the Hollvanian government going by the Coda lore) experimented on, which got out of hand once it started interfacing with machinery and gaining sapience.

[lean garden]

The 18th was ended with the destructive of the arctic hive cluster, whatever thats supposed to mean

[brittle siren]

Imagine going to Tau and we meet the new leader of Sentient there, so we have to take back the throne for Hunhow

[drowsy saddle]

The mold in JK Rowling's house is the origin point

/j

[brittle siren]

in warframe universe, her name is JK Bawllas

[old dome]

so like. whats the lore of wolf & his minions??

why are they all... like that??

[graceful swan]

His lore is literally just Model Prisoner breaks free gets kidnapped by Alad breaks free again gets captured by Narmer gets defeated by Kahl

[old dome]

ok....... so why are they all so. fire-y??

[azure jasper]

Alad was experimenting on prisoners from Saturn Six that the Warden sold him, basically grafting Sentient tech onto them. That's why the Wolf rebelled in the first place.

I think if you go to Nightwave you can hear the Nora transmissions that explain this lore.

[graceful swan]

Yeah

[old dome]

ah...

...man. i wish these lore drops from nightwave would come back.

[graceful swan]

More Nightwave lore would be good

[tall echo]

You can rewatch the story cutscenes for them

[old dome]

im gonna guess the wolf, emissary, & the glassmaker were side missions back in the day??

[tall echo]

Nightwave-associated events

iirc glassmaker had a unique mechanic where invincible almost-glassed enemies could spawn or smth

[stray gale]

so a bit of a shower thought but what exactly is magnetic damage anyway

how do you kill someone with magnetic force as opposed to setting them on fire or poisoning them or whatever?

[drowsy saddle]

Electro magnetic pulse, you're frying any electronics on em, hence why when you break a shield while its under the effects of a mag proc they get hit with electric procs

[stray gale]

I suppose but wouldn't that make it completely useless against totally organic targets?

the only damage malus is against narmer and they clearly have an electronic right on their faces

[drowsy saddle]

Certain animals are sensitive to this sort of thing, so infested can probably feel it

Grineer have cybernetics for the most part

[stray gale]

yeah, maybe, but it does feel a little bit of the odd one out

it's hard to conceive of a gun that shoots (and kills!) with electromagnetism

[drowsy saddle]

Pulse gun from fallout

Shuts down robots and power armor for a few secs, and fries the poor sod inside

[stray gale]

yeah and like I was saying, that thing does pretty much nothing against organic targets

then again, I suppose pure radiation wouldn't do much against totally synthetic targets either

[drowsy saddle]

Which is what happens in game, magnetic doesn't do anything unless there's overguard or shields

[old dome]

https://tenor.com/view/magneto-sword-mvp-marvel-rivals-gif-11256891164700624567

[stray gale]

ok but that's a sword

[old dome]

...you dont know who magneto is?

magnetic dmg is just what he does but worded differently

[stray gale]

I'm not much into comic books tbqh

[old dome]

...ok fair enough
-# thought he was a pop culture icon or smth...

[stray gale]

I know of him if that helps

[feral cape]

He also does that by throwing stuff at people

Afaik magneto doesn't have any of his own attacks he just throws stuff at people

Also magnetic damage could just be anything form the electromagnetic spectrum

So like Micheal wave

[stray gale]

then what's radiation...

the actual chernobyl business is electromagnetic too, isn't it

[drowsy saddle]

Don't think too hard, its vibes based damage types

[old dome]

nope. its nuclear.

[stray gale]

nuclear radiation is on the electromagnetic spectrum though, is it not

[old dome]

or... well. yes but its the far, far end of the EM spectrum.

[stray gale]

you know I think the pinnacle of this is how we have a 'viral' damage type but that's clearly a little icon of bacteria

[old dome]

magnetic dmg, from what i get in the game, is gravitational—grouping enemies together & dealing dmg through friction... radiation is. radiation.

[stray gale]

DE please... my immersion..........

[old dome]

dont think too hard abt it.

[strange turtle]

That’s formed through the combination of concentrated cold and toxins

[feral cape]

In most cases viruses don't like the cold tho no?

[thin pollen]

I learned something new today

[candid elm]

Nah wait ||Kaya actually figures time travel out?||

[drowsy saddle]

Ye

Get shreked Ballas

[candid elm]

Ooooooo I really hope DE plays with the larger implications of this

[graceful swan]

If you know what Argon is, yeah

If you don't it decays and she doesn't

[candid elm]

No I got how, just surprised they actually put her in larunda instead of just making a cliffhanger or smth

[brittle siren]

since the chat to get this ending is far easy than the others, yes, it implied a lot

[candid elm]

Oh don't remind me I have to reset, I suck as a couples counselor

[brittle siren]

Imagine she found out how to time travel and we just destroyed her memories about it

[candid elm]

Oddly I'm better with conversing with fleshy eldritch hive minds then I am helping couples get back together

[graceful swan]

Outside of the first convos, I found Velmir and Minerva the easiest

[cunning tapir]

(Not me who's using Kimulacrum to get the good endings to the Roundtable protoframe's KIM chats because I don't wanna reset my relationship with Aoi)

[smoky solstice]

Hey, why does Helminth like help us at all?

[drowsy saddle]

Bred for it

[smoky solstice]

Also I'm kinda curious why it calls us demon, although I think it might have something maybe to do with Wally being the devil

So we're like his demons

[drowsy saddle]

Helminth's sole purpose is to serve the Tenno as the maintenance thingy

As for the demon epitaph, its likely from Ballas

[smoky solstice]

Yeah but the mouth is also like smart, it has its own self-interest

[drowsy saddle]

Its self interest is to serve the Tenno

[smoky solstice]

Well Ballas calls us "devil", which is very different from demon

Demons serve the devil

At least if Lucifer lore is accurate to the Bible

[smoky solstice]

Yeah ig good point

But yeah, demons are like not the devil, that's why I'm thinking Wally is the devil in the Helminth's mind. I mean keep in mind, it knows what the technocyte broadly knows, it could be that it knows better than to call us the devil, but still sees us as tied to Wally

Thus, demon

[humble sierra]

The Infestation fears the Void, this is why it calls us, void-touched beings, Demon

Ballas hates us, that is why he calls us Demon

[smoky solstice]

Again, Ballas calls us Devil, important distinction

[graceful swan]

Ballas also doesn't know about Wally

[smoky solstice]

Yeah so it seems like

[humble sierra]

Point is, Ballas didn't tell the Helminth to call us demons

[smoky solstice]

The technocyte knows of Wally and knows that Wally kinda created us, so it's like the Void is hell, Wally is the big guy in there, the devil, and he created us, so we're demons.
And Ballas does not know of the man, simply sees the Void as hell and us having all these hell powers, so we're the devil in his eyes.
Is that a fair interpretation?

[graceful swan]

Yes

[humble sierra]

Yeah, completely fair interpretation

[smoky solstice]

Honestly these little pet names we get from different characters is one of my favorite small writing details, adds so much flavor

[graceful swan]

Albrecht never mentioned Wally to anyone

Neither did we

[humble sierra]

My personal one is that it doesn't register a hierarchy or anything with us being MITW's creations, it's just that to the infestation, the Void is demonic and thus we're demons

[graceful swan]

Rell was the only person spreading Wallys existence

Even if you do you'd probably just get called crazy

[smoky solstice]

That might've been the thought process behind it, it's simpler and usually that's what I get behind, but I also like my little headcanon here so idk, ig until we know for sure or get more evidence towards which it truly is, I'm sticking with this

[humble sierra]

Yeah absolutely fine

Until the story proves either of us wrong, both of our beliefs are true

Eternalism and whatnot

[graceful swan]

Also consider this fact
Helminth is the only Infested strain to even mention the Demon

The others only bring up the frame

[restive river]

I mean we carry a piece of Wally within us so makes sense

[restive river]

Zeloid calls us pretty :]

or our frame rather

[graceful swan]

Ballas seeing us as a Devil has never see the big Wall man he was dead before that ever happened

If Mara theory is correct it either means Void Child or Void Demon

[restive river]

Ballas called us devil cause he didn’t like us
Helminth calls us demon cause we carry a piece of Wally

[restive river]

It’s most likely child tbh

I know it’s not much but Lotus literally calls us Void Child during Angels and it’s the first time she ever does it

Which
Y’know
That takes place right after the whole Wally encounter

And is a quest about void constructs feeding off his finger

[graceful swan]

Each time I hear Helminth ask why are we awake as Drifter I wanna say I didn't have a Second Dream

[restive river]

lmao

[drowsy saddle]

Also isn't Mara the name of the girl in the opening cutscene?

[restive river]

It’s the internal name of the protag tenno in the script

It’s non-canon for the actual player character

Our name is our username

[graceful swan]

Also, isn't the name of all Tenno as DE confirmed

[restive river]

Ye

Mara being a piece of void tongue just means it translates to something else

[graceful swan]

DE just like the name Mara

[restive river]

And I’d def say Wally would call us a child of the void over a demon
He has no reason to see us as demonic really

[graceful swan]

Mara Detron
Mara Voidtounge
Mara(Tenno)

[drowsy saddle]

As a persona player i don't like Mara.... Bad memories

[restive river]

Like the Helminth calls us that because it fears the void, Ballas calls us devil cause he hated us

[restive river]

Yup

DE tend to name stuff the same thing and it just doesn’t mean anything sometimes
Like the Sirocco weapon and kavat accessory

[graceful swan]

DE have a habit of reusing stuff

[restive river]

In this case 2/3 of the Maras do pertain to us but only one is actually applicable as the other is for internal use only

[restive river]

Saves time and money, I’m sure

[graceful swan]

Mara Detron mightve been the weapon Mara in trailer used once

[restive river]

Like the Mara detron has no lore significance lmao

[drowsy saddle]

Isn't the whole lore for it is that its a famous smuggler weapon

[restive river]

I mean wider lore significance

Like I doubt we’re gonna see a Mara Detron on a table then boom we meet Mara from the trailer :p

[graceful swan]

I wonder if DE are doing it so they don't run out of names to use

[restive river]

Mostly cause she’s a stand in for us for internal and promotional usage

[restive river]

They do make up and pull names from other languages a lot

[humble sierra]

Plus the Cavia call us Mara Lohk too and I doubt they'd call us demons. And it's also one of the lyrics in the Lotus Eaters track, and it's implied Lotus is singing them

[restive river]

That too yeah

Mara Lohk
Child of the Void

[graceful swan]

Who's gonna tell them I took an adult to Whispers not Operator

[restive river]

I mean both are Mara Lohk

Both are children of the void

[graceful swan]

But Drifter isn't a child

[restive river]

Drifter literally grew up in the void.

They’re a child of the void

[graceful swan]

Actually does Wally's line even make sense with Drifter?

We had a deal thing

[restive river]

Yeah?

Drifter made a deal too

[graceful swan]

But Drifter didn't run because of the deal

Drifter got stranded

[restive river]

They still haven’t paid

[drowsy saddle]

How much interest does that deal have??

[restive river]

It’s less the fact they ran and more the fact we have yet to pay for having a piece of Wally

Which only one of us may have to actually pay, we’ll find out i’m sure

[graceful swan]

Technically Drifter didn't break the contract

[restive river]

Really hope we get more on the deal

[restive river]

When we refused to give him the page we kinda did tho
I guess

[graceful swan]

I feel they made the quest for Operator but didn't update the lines for Drifter

[humble sierra]

Tbh if possible they should make it so that only Operator can be in that quest to balance how only Drifter can be in 1999

Though I guess you're in the Warframe the whole time so it doesn't matter

[graceful swan]

This was my theory 7 months ago What if the part of the deal Wally is mad at is Drifter getting added last minute to the handshake after already having their own deal.

[restive river]

Jade Shadows:

[humble sierra]

Oh good point

[restive river]

I’m surprised Wally isn’t mad at the Drifter for having a piece of them
Which to me says he maybe approves of them having the piece too??

[silk atlas]

It wasn't part of the original deal though, so tough luck for Wally on that front.

[restive river]

Also the piece of wally def is how transference is innate to us since Drifter has it only after they get the piece shared with them

[restive river]

Exactly, tough luck Walldo

[graceful swan]

Can Wally do Transference?

Or is it just mind control

[silk atlas]

We have no clue but they did possess that giant titan thing or whatever in Whispers

[graceful swan]

Vessel

[restive river]

Vessel

[silk atlas]

Yeah that

[restive river]

I def would say that was transference and we even say what he does to Russalka is akin to transference

[graceful swan]

I wonder if we can do it to regular humans

[north jolt]

Vase

[restive river]

Slap a bolt in em and let’s find out

[graceful swan]

Science

[restive river]

Or ig have them permit it since clearly the Hex show that while we can transfer into them they can just boot us

[north jolt]

Is that what the Boltor is for?

[restive river]

Now I want a weapon that allows us to transfer into enemies…

[drowsy saddle]

I want to become the Coda Pathocyst Miasmite

[strange turtle]

In Warframe/Alchemy Viral is a mix of Toxin and Cold

Which is the point since it another little weird thing about Viral

[stray gale]

I suppose toxin and cold has to mix into something

[drowsy saddle]

Alchemy is just vibes based chemistry

Virus make you ill, like toxin, a cold also makes you ill

[stray gale]

sure, why not

[graceful swan]

Viral

[main crane]

Chat, I have a question. Is there a lore about the girl during the Awakening quest? Like she just disappeared before we awakened.

[strange turtle]

She’s just a representation of the Player/Tenno

[graceful swan]

She's an Operator actually hinting at what you really are

[strange turtle]

Like Drifter Pascal in the Duviri stuff

[strange turtle]

Internally referred to as “Mara”

[main crane]

Oh right that makes sense. Thanks for the info.

[stark arrow]

Nah, it is just for marketing

[restive river]

It’s the internal name of our Tenno in the script too
But
That’s just for internal use, in-game our name is our username

[stark arrow]

Sorry, i was talking about the girl in cinema

[vagrant lotus]

I’m trying to decide what to throw at my D&D party next… Can I get some more people to vote on it?

[tall echo]

No

[normal mountain]

Weren't you told to do all of them at once?
I like that idea better than the individual options

[vagrant lotus]

Yeah… I’m going to at some point, but I’ve got the individual encounters already planned out, so it’s just a matter of when the party fights what

I was just hoping with as many people in the server there would be more input.

[normal mountain]

I mean, maybe if there was an off-topic channel, we'd see more

[vagrant lotus]

Yeah

[normal mountain]

But I suspect more people want to stay on-topic and talk about Warframe

[vagrant lotus]

Prob

[normal mountain]

Honestly, for individual encounter I'd probably say Druid
Seems the least like the monstrosity coming down their lane later

though I will admit, the thought of a dragolich just appeals to SOMETHING in my heart...

[vagrant lotus]

Same

I mean… chef’s kiss

[normal mountain]

Indeed

[north jolt]

Blast is heat+cold, inspired by what happens when you drop ice cubes into hot oil, obviously

[brittle siren]

https://youtu.be/25IJ06aKpP8?si=oS09toVtYWw4yUsb

6:53 is interesting

[azure elm]

real

[latent void]

I don't know if this is lore but where does the landing craft go on the orbiter? is it the front bit? or is it more like the starship enterprise

[tall echo]

Front

[smoky solstice]

I still don't know how to interpret from the stars, or kaya's theme. Now that we have the ending, it makes me feel like a song more referencing her journey in the context of her having time travelled, but that implies triumph and this just sounds kinda bleaker than that? it's mainly the chorus that implies there having been some journey but I'm not sure exactly

[azure elm]

it plugs in like those lego sets that have ships that are in the design

when you are in the drifter camp you can see where the landing craft directly plugs into a much larger starship

[north ferry]

Well there's stat blocks for a bunch of warframes that exist.

[tall echo]

I believe it's mainly about her intelligence, her abilities and most importantly her backstory and reason for being so obsessed with time travel

[old dome]

abt the songs,, now that im listening to them...... ik kaya's song is grunge rock like nirvana's heart-shaped box & temple's is very metalcore (reminds me of 00s killswitch engage like this fire burns & end of heartache),, but whats minerva's?? idt there was a women-fronted rock band back then (other than evanescence iirc, who are more symphonic/gothic metal than grunge) so. hm.

vel's song is. also hard to place—like yes its rock but what KIND is it? which band is it inspired by?

[smoky solstice]

alive again sounds a lot more to me like heart-shaped box than from the stars lmao

[smoky solstice]

but what does the titular lyric mean exactly, "from the stars"

I mean I assume it's metaphorical but I can't quite put it anywhere

[stray gale]

temple's was done by periphery

it's more like djent-y/modern "audio engineer" metal

[tall echo]

Well she does still travel to the future and chill in a space mall

[smoky solstice]

yeah but it's like idk, maybe from the stars is supposed to imply from like a bird's eye view, or just like away from the action?

also I can't place below zero on any sort of artist personally

but I'm also not exactly educated

[tall echo]

Below zero.

[smoky solstice]

I mean if nirvana is on one of the tracks, I feel like alive again is the closest

[tall echo]

Is great

But I can't even identify the genre

[smoky solstice]

it's got that slow build, fairly quiet verses, and then like the chorus goes full blast

[tall echo]

That doesn't seem fitting

I'm no lyrics expert but to me it's just time travel, backstory, antimatter powers

[smoky solstice]

well yeah but I'm talking about specifics

what exactly is being referenced by "I've seen the black hole and antimatter from the stars"

honestly the new songs are a lot harder to interpret than the rest of the 1999 tracks tbh

[tall echo]

From the stars is seperate from the rest of that

[smoky solstice]

I even kinda struggled with alive again before putting together an idea for what the lyrics mean

[smoky solstice]

I don't know if I believe that, it's a direct follow-up to the previous line, as if finishing a sentence

[tall echo]

Spotify

[smoky solstice]

like it's separate as in it's a separate line but that doesn't mean it's not connected to the rest

like spotify also shows "Fall back in
If it makes you feel alive again"
clearly those two lines are connected even if they're separate lines

[north jolt]

The orbiters always feel a bit like a Tartis to me

Like compared to how big we are, or at least how big we look when we go into or step off our orbiters

[tall echo]

That whole thing seeing with the black hole and touching antimatter from the stars really sounds like it's just from a post-time travel perspective

[tall echo]

That's the landing craft

[old dome]

tbh it just sounds like killswitch engage's end of heartache to me... which makes sense bc periphery is metalcore (sometimes)

[north jolt]

...so where tf is the actual orbiter?

[smoky solstice]

oh actually yeah, I mean it's what I said in the beginning sorta, like after the time travel ending, it's like ok this is sorta hitting different now, but interpreting the chorus as like everything Kaya has been through to get to where she is, I think that's probably the closest thing I have to connecting it all in my head

[tall echo]

Everything below the ramp

[north jolt]

Makes sense, but why tf do we never actually see the outside of it? that's going to bother me now

[old dome]

really?? lemme go take a relisten to those 2... bc the sounds are So Familiar to me but i cant place which subgenre they are 😭😭

[tall echo]

Look at the "the orbiter" cephalon fragment

You can also see a tiny bit of the orbiter in the drifter camp

[north jolt]

Wait, you mean the part that's lodged into the ground?

[tall echo]

Yes

[north jolt]

huh

[tall echo]

That is a tiny fraction of the whole thing

[smoky solstice]

it's really just the vibe of like a sorta building verse and then erupting on the chorus to something like big, from the stars in contrast remains kinda in the same vibe throughout, doesn't really erupt into anything, the chorus is just kind of like a next step after the verses, compared to jumping to something big from something reserved

[candid fossil]

im new any suggestions for youtube channels or anything for getting into the lore?

[tall echo]

Orokinarchives

[candid fossil]

cool thanks!

[tall echo]

Youtube channel and website

[candid fossil]

cool

[tall echo]

To me From The Stars sounds extremely similar to I'm Still Here from treasure planet

[smoky solstice]

well my first suggestion is try to steer clear of this channel, many spoilers in case you haven't finished all the quests, but really different channels offer different types of things, and you should mainly watch to hear different perspectives, while also trying to interpret things on your own. I like stallordD and dsiege (the latter is a lot more controversial lmao), but it's really insofar as it's like cool perspectives on the plot I haven't considered

in terms of discovering the plot for yourself, yeah, orokinarchives is the goat

[tall echo]

Which might just be my weird brain putting connections where there aren't any

[candid fossil]

thank you so much

[old dome]

.....yeah, yeah youre right now that im listening to hsb & alive again back to back—heart shaped box fits minerva too so thats a little bonus.

also just had a thought but. the guitar sounds in kaya's song reminds me of never too late by three days grace—definitely not an early 00s song (it was released in 2007) but the sound is there w the slow guitars.

[smoky solstice]

you seem to know a lot more about early to mid 2000s music than me lmao

I mean I've obviously listened to nirvana but honestly, if a sound is being replicated in the soundtrack, most likely I'm not gonna catch it

[old dome]

🧍🏻‍♂️i grew up listening to those bands ckndjxndn i learned my english from them

altho the restrained vocals in kaya's song is so interesting to me bc. i cant remember if a 00s rock band ever had that—the 90s-00s rock/metal songs were known for their explosive, angry vocals...

[smoky solstice]

honestly all I want from warframe is gorillaz

if gorillaz ends up being referenced, I'll let you know, I've listened to way too much to not pick up on it

[old dome]

actually yeah they shouldve added gorillaz—feel good inc was THE song ever

[smoky solstice]

yeah, although that was like '04/'05? I mean you said one of the songs may be from '07, but perhaps they wanna keep it either 90s or like '01/'02 max?

but honestly now that I think about it

ik gorillaz is nowhere on the soundtrack but I think I love a lot of the techrot encore songs for the same reason - melancholic themes with a fairly upbeat instrumental

especially alive again

actually pick a side was sorta gorillaz? I mean it definitely doesn't replicate their most popular work but a rock instrumental with a rapper doing the verses and chorus, there's some gorillaz songs that follow that blueprint

oh and maybe cut through, some of their slower tracks maybe replicate it, but at this point I feel like maybe I'm shoehorning it, because I think songs like cut through and numb I enjoy for the same reasons I do a lot of gorillaz songs and so I'm like drawing an association there

holy crap wait a sec

is that another gorillaz fan typing

[winged flume]

I want Excalibur to do this: I'm sending a gif it will work.

[old dome]

yeah bc party of your lifetime is very much inspired by backstreet boys' everybody,, a 1997 song. so maybe im wrong abd 3dg being the inspiration for kaya—its just that theyre the only one that came to mind...

[winged flume]

https://tenor.com/view/eva-初號機-暴走-初号机-gif-12888385377021893954

[smoky solstice]

an evangelion fan too...

[winged flume]

Thats what i want excal to do

Just look at Excalibur's face. it just works

[smoky solstice]

wait that's from evangelion right? I'm not going crazy?

[old dome]

tbh numb is just. nine inch nails to me...

[winged flume]

It is . the classic run,

[smoky solstice]

idk, DE may be satisfied with that sorta being what umbra does in the sacrifice

[winged flume]

Typic my responces on this server in any channel feels like fighting up a stream. It's so annoying and unnerving.

[smoky solstice]

I mean I feel like nine-inch nails usually go for a more upbeat type thing, also more experimental sounds, I can see where you're coming from to some extent though

[winged flume]

It's better than the other Warframe server, but my clan server is so much more chill.

[smoky solstice]

I mean people type, rest assured though because I read 🙂

[tall echo]

Problem: excal's helmet isn't an actual mouth

[smoky solstice]

wait is that a glitter freeze reference or am I veering off course now

[tall echo]

Patience.

[smoky solstice]

also classic run?

[winged flume]

The original run of Eva, before the first set of films, and well before the rebuild set. So like 30 year vintage Evangelion.

I grew up with the ADV dub of Evangelion.

[smoky solstice]

tbf though how cool would it be if like let's say excal comes back for yet another cutscene, I mean he's already there in 1999, and he's actually good now so the whole poster-child thing works really well
and in that cutscene, it's like he does the scream but his helmet also like rips open and reveals like a mouth yelling, idk what the context would be for that but I feel like that would be such a good visual

[tall echo]

I gotta figure out what the music genres I like are actually called at some point...

[smoky solstice]

as a gorillaz fan, I gave up on that a long time ago lmao

[old dome]

...yeah i see what you mean,, i initially put it as smth like linkin park. the rappers sound like mike shinoda to me, but i can see why youd say gorillaz (not a gorillaz fan so i only know feel good inc & pick a side feels like an angry version of that song.)

[tall echo]

Time travel to pre-tenno old war times to see some of them real protoframes

[smoky solstice]

honestly personally I've just watched the series and end of evangelion, so I can't really call myself a hardcore fan or anything, I just realy loved that and I'm just kinda satisfied with what's there already, hence why I haven't like seeked out the rebuilds and all that

[tall echo]

I only like two gorillaz songs out of the few I've heard so far

[smoky solstice]

yeah, I feel like it would maybe be closer to other songs, like Sweepstakes maybe where there's no 2D or anything

[old dome]

im gonna make a list of the osts & which 90s-00s bands/genres i think they take inspo from atp... bc ive Thoughts.

[smoky solstice]

yeah that's fair, honestly for me it was like I listened to demon days, thought it was okay, listened to it again later, thought it was a masterpiece and haven't looked back since
I mean I'm not a huge fan of some of their recent work (cracker island for instance I thought was meh) but like song machine was really good so yeah
it's just one of those things where if you enjoy it, you can't really get it anywhere else, it's not like super experimental or anything, it's just like exactly what I'm looking for ig

[old dome]

...its been a whole hour & im nowhere near close to figuring out which band inspired vel's song—i thought at first maybe stone temple pilots but. the song isnt as slow as stp's entire discography... & its not red hot chili pepper either.....

(also found out that hole's celebrity skin sounds like minerva's song so. theres that.)

its such a specific sound... idt ive ever heard a 90s-00s rock sound like it—they were all angsty or very, very southern american.

[smoky solstice]

WHAT, TEMPLE IS FLARE

[old dome]

...yes??

[smoky solstice]

IT'S NOT A BALLAS CREATION

IT'S FLARE THEMSELVES

[humble sierra]

YEAH IT'S CRAZY

TEMPLE IN THE ORIGIN TIMELINE IS JUST FLARE FESTERING

[smoky solstice]

Also, idk what Kaya's message is supposed to mean, where am I supposed to find her? I thought maybe duviri but I don't wanna go into a duviri run without knowing lmao

[humble sierra]

TEMPLE IS, TECHNICALLY, THE FIRST WARFRAME EVER

[humble sierra]

Larunda

[smoky solstice]

YEAH, THAT'S INSANE

[smoky solstice]

Well I saw that, but I'm talking about the "automated message"

That was sent today

[humble sierra]

Yeah I think it's meant to imply that she's wandering the whole system and you might meet her

but gameplay wise she's just in Larunda

[smoky solstice]

"If you are reading this, find me where you find yourself, wherever you are"
This seems like it implies that it's in the base of operations maybe? Like "wherever you are", implies that it doesn't matter which base it is

[smoky solstice]

Really? Like I'm just wondering if we find her somewhere outside Larunda in the Origin System or wherever else

[humble sierra]

So far, no, but it's only been like 15 minutes so maybe she's an RNG encounter

[smoky solstice]

I thought it was referencing the cryo pod/mirror but nah

I mean it's like some riddle, right, find me where you find yourself, where do we find ourselves?

Wait a minute, "Lua. The miracle. Do you understand what it cost?"
Based off the fact that Lotus is kinda in the Wally melancholy state in the Sanctum, does this imply she struck a deal with Wally too????

Hm, is the tutorial area accessible in any way?

Well idk, rn I'm not in a state to look for Kaya, but that Flare ending, honestly I was kinda wondering whether they were getting an ending that's something more than just like Flare and Lizzie are cool now, and I'm flabbergasted

I mean it makes sense too, why the hell else would the exalted weapon be Lizzie and not just generic guitar

And why the hell would Ballas create this

Really cool we have like technically the first warframe now being one of the protos. I mean it's still kinda weird, like Flare was still injected with something by Albrecht, maybe it was a generic helminth strain like the other originals were given?

That's just details though

[humble sierra]

Yeah maybe it's an Albrecht original

or maybe it's because Flare was already more infested than everyone else that the result was mostly the Techrot taking control

[smoky solstice]

Whatever it is, it's a cool way to end their story

And it kind of has a Jade vibe to it

Waiting for so long I mean

For a purpose

Oh and idk if I've mentioned this but as a side point, Lizzie is super cute

[smoky solstice]

I mean like just in the KIM interactions, it's so good

Not like the I'm attracted to a guitar type of cute

[smoky solstice]

Saw this on Reddit, fun stuff

I think it was posted before Lizzie became like fun in the dialogues? Not that she wasn't before but you know what I mean

The >:3 and all that

[stiff fable]

Yes, and it's not the first time it's been implied

[smoky solstice]

I think I'd heard that before yeah, but I was looking around for Kaya sightings and she said this and it made me do a double take like "wait a minute, this is legit???"

[humble sierra]

Yeah but people think it's how she got the moon into the void, that's not true, she didn't use a deal with Wally, she used the same Orokin technology we use to bring it back

[stiff fable]

Correct

[humble sierra]

People think she struck a deal with Wally at the end of the New War to spare us from him when he shows up

[stiff fable]

We don't know what her deal with Wally is, but Wally uses her hand to shake with the Operator in TNW

[smoky solstice]

Wait a minute, is there a VA doing guitar sounds for the Lizzie shawzin???

Like in the middle of the proper guitar sounds, I must be hearing a dude just going "mmmm"

[humble sierra]

That's her humming to the chords

[woven coyote]

well a dudette but yeah

[smoky solstice]

Wait I'm actually not sure, is that Lizzie's VA?

[woven coyote]

who else would it be ?

[smoky solstice]

If so, she seems to be able to go really damn low compared to what her voice sounds like

But I'm also pretty sure she's a musician so it makes sense

[woven coyote]

well there's probably a lot of distortion involved to make her sound like a sentient guitar

[smoky solstice]

Idk, Erich Preston or some other DE dude just making guitar sounds for fun, I honestly wasn't sure LMAO

[smoky solstice]

Well yeah but even behind the filters it seems like it's pretty low in terms of octaves, again, ig I should expect this from an experienced musician, but it didn't strike me as her at first lmao

Even though it wouldn't make sense to be anyone else

Ok nvm, on the higher notes you can definitely hear it's her

Point is, she has quite a range

Also, it's super cool Lizzie makes guitar sounds when you play her lmao, don't think I heard that while playing Temple

[molten rune]

ok so based on this. russia is just called Rus, and the united states is called Libertatia

it seems that the beginning of renamed places begin either with the first letters of the country, or with something being related to them in some way, like the US being liberty

[azure elm]

It might be a play on it, thing R.u.s

russian united states

[molten rune]

it would make more sense with the way im thinking of it right now, defining each

but with this information

and there is only one direct country that begins with the same 3 letters as hollvania

and the buildings do kinda line up

therefor, I believe hollvania's IRL counterpart is the country of Holland

[azure elm]

well holland is pretty far north for that theory

[molten rune]

holland in summer:

[azure elm]

but no water features in hollvania

[molten rune]

because not every city has a body of water next to it???

[azure elm]

I always figured hollvania is a warframe take on romania or slovania, a balkan country at the turn of the centure

[proper barn]

Untrue. Eleanor talks that Hollvania had great bathhouses before the techrot.

[molten rune]

fair

holland is also a region in the netherlands

now if you look at an image of buildings from there

[brittle siren]

she stuck (literally, I can't target her and move her anymore)

[azure elm]

lizzie likes the couch.

so heres my question, wth is the deal with the backwards guitar on the load screen, temple premier art, etc?

i figured it'd be a gemini thing

but that backwards guitar is literally no where

[marble pewter]

I think it’s a bug, I placed her where all my Shawzins are at, and yea can’t move her after

[azure elm]

ok lizzie doing >:3

is objectively funny

[restive river]

Hollvania appears to just going by the map

[restive river]

What backwards ghotar

[azure elm]

dis one

[molten rune]

that guitar neck is

rotated

[restive river]

Oh i think that’s just for the art

[quick wadi]

I believe they're asking why it's that way when its not that way in-game

[restive river]

That was the original art they used too

[molten rune]

maybe its because lizzie is waving?

[restive river]

It’s probably the way it is in game so we can like
Actually use it lol

First model of her we saw she was like that

They sure made the guitar weird enough

[brittle siren]

so where is this place?

[limpid crane]

Larunda Relay

[brittle siren]

still?

[limpid crane]

Yup

Welp it seems I couldn't save Minerva, and Velimir's relationship. Why did their messages have to be such a mine field

[proper barn]

Also i was right Lizzie did mean lover romanticly.

Get wrecked nerd.

[limpid crane]

You guys are still getting convos with them?

Wait a minute. In the last convo I had with lizzie she said, "time to try again demon..."

FUUUUUUUUUUU I FAILED THEM TOO

[proper barn]

oof.

[limpid crane]

That means the helminth knows we can restart the loop tho

Interesting

[proper barn]

OH @limpid crane They exlained how temple works with Flare cuz their stage name is temple that's cool.

OH Also more octavia LORE

SOMEHOW

[smoky solstice]

Damn, they were? Theìr convo was extremely chill for me

[old dome]

WHERE

[proper barn]

in the Flare Email.

[old dome]

i didnt get it...

[proper barn]

did you

talk to flare today? or did you fail flare earlier?

[old dome]

...no & no

[proper barn]

wait

if you didn't fail flare earlier talking to them today shoudl get you the email.

[old dome]

tbh?? idc abt flare & their lore—yeah lizzie is interesting & flare's reaction to lizzie's whole existence is also interesting but... thats it. idc abt flare as a character enough to talk to them.

[proper barn]

Oh you're boring then.

Flare is great.

i can't believe you find David Bowie boring.

[old dome]

(entirely bc im Still disappointed de didnt go for heavy metal...)

[proper barn]

i find David bowie way more intresting.

[old dome]

i dont like him!! i grew up around hard rock & heavy metal, not pop masquerading as """rock""" music!!!

[proper barn]

you know

Genres are all made up right?

[old dome]

yes yes thats why glam rock is literally just pop music

[proper barn]

even hard rock is a divsion of "rock and roll" from "Soul".

[old dome]

which has a distinct feeling than pop music

[proper barn]

I would say David Bowies music is distinct from it.

[old dome]

anyway yeah idc abt flare bc i dont like david bowie... especially when judas priest were right! there!! & metallica!!!

[humble sierra]

People are also pointing out that Flare's ending ||turns them into a StarNB waiting in the sky||

[old dome]

...but ig i'll strap myself down & go through the conversations bc. octavia lore

[proper barn]

hehehehe

[old dome]

a what?

[proper barn]

Starman Waiting in the sky

is a david bowie lyric.

[old dome]

ah...

[proper barn]

Also I don't wanan have this discussion with anyone but David Bowie being non-binary wouldn't be a suprise to anyone that knows anything about him actually.

[tall echo]

Ah, the most unpleasant genres

[brittle siren]

So what is Kaya sexual orientation?

I dont remember what is her "online" ex gender is

[proper barn]

Seemingly straight? She mentions boyfriend and thinks Arthur is hot but also maybe some kind of Ace cuz she doesn't want a relationship.

[brittle siren]

oh ok

[lean garden]

Flare banged a guitar, who's really getting wrecked here

[proper barn]

Not you apparently and I'm sad for you.

[brittle siren]

since Nova is in the Pride art so I wonder if Kaya is part of it

[proper barn]

This was too mean.

I don't actually mean to insult you lmao.

[proper barn]

Kaya might be ace or bi or pan. All count.

[lean garden]

But ok fr tho, I'm not actually sure on the guitar banging. Cuz like if flare says the man eating horror thing is adorable now but lizzie gives the cheeky evil smirk thing for what flare said last night, would this not imply that flare thought it was the opposite of adorable?

[lean garden]

Nah its cool I get what your going for.

[proper barn]

Cute in a "man eating horror" kind of way response "thats not what you said last Night" I feel like is pretty clear. Also reminder Lizzie can take control of Flares body.

The unum was also in a relationship with gara anything can happen.

[lean garden]

A tower has many openings, an electric guitar has none

[proper barn]

I think the unum was more "she just beam herself directly into your mind" stuff. Lizzie can control flare at least somewhat and can talk.

So like anything can happen.

[lean garden]

Hangon wouldnt this imply flare banged themselves on multiple levels?

[proper barn]

Idk

You and your tiny mind can't comprehend non traditional relationships/s

[lean garden]

My and my stupid cis brain, cant handle at least 3 layers of self-loving (metaphorical, physical and emotional) LOL

[proper barn]

i mean a little bit.

[winged flume]

I can, have, and have been a little burned because of non traditional relationships. It happens, I'll learn to love again. Only a fool fights in a burning house.

[proper barn]

what?

[winged flume]

I am, have been in a non monogomous relationship. Things didn't vibe right. And I need to move on and repair.

[brittle siren]

unrelated to lore, but could anyone suggest me captura scenes about the void?

[proper barn]

I mean yeah you be in whatever relationships or non if you want that.

i was just doing jokes. I know many poly people or just people in non-tradional relationships.

[azure elm]

octavia was playing music while the orokin were murdered XD

[proper barn]

whatever makes it work for you. even a "tradional" relationship should still be not chained down to like "what is expected" but anyway.

[azure elm]

and flare joins them in harmony

also flare is physically temple during the original tenno insurrection, no tenno pilot, hes just there to overthrow the blue

[proper barn]

But I was just making some funnies with Bau @winged flume but I am currently in a very happy relationship. doing some relationship anarchy even.

[tall echo]

*they

[azure elm]

yes they

[brittle siren]

also since this pyramid is also in a normal corpus ship, could this also mean Parvos personal ship is either the same size or bigger than the whole place?

[azure elm]

hard to say, the void incident could have just lopped a piece of his ship off and cast him to the deep

[proper barn]

It's probably this was his personal vessel before it got shunted into the void. this is now just his part of the void.

[winged flume]

It's all good, I read up further afte making my comment and went picard-facepalm.gif

[proper barn]

lmao.

it's alright I worried more about you thinking i was being mean or something.

[brittle siren]

yeah I thought that pyramid is his enitre ship
but now I just realized it

[proper barn]

what do you want?

specificlly?

[winged flume]

I saw non traditional and my mind was like oh I think I can air some thoughts, and tripped out the door.

[brittle siren]

also Discord hate the letter "z", like why "realized" is mark in red?

[azure elm]

https://tenor.com/view/warframe-warframe-bnp-corpus-genius-gif-17965206

[tall echo]

'Murica

[brittle siren]

any void scenary, kinda like this

[proper barn]

I have a Heart captura scene i have the parvos one i have some in the orokin void i have some of the zariman i think. whacha want?

[winged flume]

Lore related: why don't the wolf followers don't show up in the Codex, and the roller guns too?

[brittle siren]

I took this from the room related to Voruna

[azure elm]

thats what my mouth looks like on fajita night

[proper barn]

OH EASY we have the sevogoth one. you should have that

[tall echo]

Cold below captura?

[proper barn]

i think it's givin to everyone.

[brittle siren]

where to find the heart one

[tall echo]

There's wamter but it's quite void-y aside from that

[brittle siren]

I have that already, it nice but I like sth else

[proper barn]

diemos g-ma sells it i think?

[tall echo]

Either grandma or vaults

[proper barn]

pretty sure g-ma

[tall echo]

Major location, prob grammar yeh

[proper barn]

i have the like Chains of harrow one

[brittle siren]

it said hidden in Deimos

[proper barn]

i think somewhere.

[brittle siren]

from red veil I think

[tall echo]

Could just scroll through the captura scene list, p sure it shows all of them

[winged flume]

https://wiki.warframe.com/w/Saturn_Six_Fugitive

Do these chuckles show up in the Codex? I can't find them I scanned several and have the complete entry as well as the rollers that come with them.

[brittle siren]

@restive river

[tall echo]

Seemingly not

Tbf they weren't intended/expected to ever return, and having a codex entry for a nonexistant unit would be cruel to new players

[winged flume]

That's lame.

[proper barn]

i also have the granum void.

[brittle siren]

it free after quest

[tall echo]

There's at least 2 enemies like that, a tile in the infested corpus ship tileset can spawn "corpus walkers" which also don't have an entry

[restive river]

Nope

[brittle siren]

uh I also scanned all of them but

[tall echo]

Huh

[brittle siren]

Btw do you know where to find Heart of Deimos scene?

[normal mountain]

That's a known bug iirc
I definitely remember seeing something about it recently

[brittle siren]

Like the literal heart itself

[restive river]

Like
Of the heart? I don’t think there is one

[restive river]

Yeah the devs said it was bugged atm

[brittle siren]

@restive river

[restive river]

WAIT WHAT

ok I’m researching this brb

[normal mountain]

Oh, right!

[normal mountain]

You get that and others from Isolation Vaults

I might even have that one

can't check right now, sadly, it's too late

[restive river]

Do you know what to look for

[brittle siren]

noooo

[normal mountain]

A purple container off to the side in the vault

[brittle siren]

Does Vault 1 drop it

Or only the 3rd tier?