lore-discussion

[proper barn]

okay.

did you do the khal mission?

[gilded rose]

I don't THINK so

[glacial bough]

The best equivalent would be boss units

[gilded rose]

Uhm... I don't remember? I just did things and it worked out

[proper barn]

i've just bene Brain blasted.

I don't even. oh god.

[gilded rose]

Is it that bad?

[proper barn]

no.

Just wild.

[brittle siren]

I mean 1 of Infested boss is just gooner
2 of them merely human
other is weapon use by Orokin

[proper barn]

Archon shards are things you can slot in 5 to any frame and each color has buffs you can choose from. @gilded rose Whispers Bird 3 has a thing you can get for shards that lets you make more colors of them and turn 3 normal shards into the like better version of them.

[brittle siren]

Coda are clones and they seem to have independent mind

[gilded rose]

I'm still unsure about augments, I'm close to achieving a steel path (I'm still not sure what that is, I just saw a guy say something and I started working Towards it)... I just started the Hex missions cause I got bored.

[proper barn]

it depends on the augment.

[gilded rose]

Everything I've done up to this point is "I'm bored. What next?"

[brittle siren]

augment is from Syndicate

[proper barn]

also you don't have SP or any weeklies or anything unlocked.

wild.

[gilded rose]

...I don't think so

[gilded rose]

No

I'm like rank two on the same ones

I'm actually about rank 2-3 on all syndicates

[proper barn]

like come towards the archon and helminth light Eight.

it's a good time.

[gilded rose]

Okay. 🙂

I always wondered why everyone's looked like that

[proper barn]

what do you mean?

why everyones look like what?

oh Wait you probably haven't made the backroom your defualt login have you?

you can do that with the drifter's camp and the backroom instead of the normal orbiter.

[gilded rose]

On general Warframe, there's been a lot of photos like that and the one before. I was always confused by it cause it was different, the pretty pictures and stuff

[gilded rose]

I kept my orbiter on purpose tbh. Home sweet home and all that

[proper barn]

okay.

Drifter camp the oribter is still there but sure.

anyway.

go forth my child.

[gilded rose]

That one was annoying. I'm playing on an old computer and id lag, fall out and lag some more from the switch

[proper barn]

lmao

[gilded rose]

This POM-2 is my gaming station

[proper barn]

oh make sure to talk to the hex every day

[proper barn]

to get the hex finale.

[gilded rose]

I've started working on that... Today? I've had access to it since it's release but I never did anything. I'm rank 1 or 2

[proper barn]

yee.

you message them on the PC.

[gilded rose]

Mkay! God I feel stupid now.

[proper barn]

You shouldn't.

you learned a lot.

learning isn''t a bad thing.

[gilded rose]

That's part of the reason I joined the Discord. I did it just cause, but I got bored and messed around a bit then realized I didn't know Jack about the game like I originally thought

[proper barn]

yee.

[gilded rose]

I'm always about learning 🙂

[proper barn]

people that are stupid are ones that refuse to learn.

[gilded rose]

If one doesn't learn, then how does one improve? So I'm always learning something. Let it be something small or major. I really do want to say thank you tho. I learned lore (which is my fav) and some gaming stuff

[proper barn]

YEE.

oh sorry caps. if you have more lore questions you can ask them whenever.

[gilded rose]

Always! Quite frankly I'm trying to get into all of it. I've already did a bunch of research on the grineer, corpus, and Orikon to learn more about the system's... Nations? Factions?

And cephalons!

[proper barn]

Cephalons.

also people.

[brittle siren]

https://x.com/mothtolights/status/1904000880980140224?s=46&t=5XSoAshUqsO-YG_gq2tB3Q

Mothfollowsthelight (@mothtolights) on X

Wally check up

X · Mar 24, 2025, 2:42 AM

[proper barn]

I mean yes and no. Wally doesn't have the same grasp on drifter as they do on the operator. it's harder for them to like annoy/observe them. Also they are always seen as the kid cuz reasons.

[naive shale]

Hey what are your thoughts on Ordis? Personally I love Ordis, I enjoy his company and jokes (sometimes)

[restive river]

I love him :]

He’s a funny guy

[digital grail]

I miss him

[restive river]

Go to the orbiter

[digital grail]

Bu-but backroom :(

All my stuffs in there

Let me drag ordis to 1999

[proper barn]

i like him. Cy is my favorite though.

[brittle siren]

counter point: He does appearing when I bought that chair into my room

[proper barn]

the ghost chair brought a ghost into my house.

[humble sierra]

I think he takes on the form of the kid because that's how the Drifter/Operator looked when they made the deal

[brittle siren]

counter point: Wally did use Albrecht and Loid form

[north ferry]

Yeah, Indifference can probably take on any form it wants, although by my interpretation it can't necessarily be new forms. No real evidence, it could just not want to.

[brittle siren]

also Lizzie called Wally "the Smiling one" or sth

[brittle siren]

yep, she call him like that

[humble sierra]

Also a completely unique person in Duviri

[digital grail]

I think he chooses the kids form because it might tournament operator and drifter the most

[north ferry]

Who?

[proper barn]

Stranger?

No Vagabond.

[humble sierra]

Yeah they're called the vagabond

https://wiki.warframe.com/w/The_Vagabond

[north ferry]

Once again

Thinking is punished with being wrong.

[humble sierra]

?

Oh your interpretation of it being unable to come up with a unique form

[dire mountain]

Oh like the people in arcane??

[humble sierra]

Yeah! That's pretty close, but still with some level of detail in their faces

[charred patio]

interesting

definitely not option 1
2 and 3 are technically the same

hm, 2 sound better
both were friends with chris
but eleanor went beyond just "friend"
arthur wouldnt be able to understand that

[drowsy saddle]

you need to rob an abandoned casino somewhere in the middle of the nevada desert that's infested with zombies and toxic gas

prefereably while forced to work together with a mute, a smug ahole, and a neurodivergent mutant, all while under surveillance by a crusty old mad scientist obsessed with revenge

[charred patio]

is this a reference to that one dave bautista movie XD

or fallout?

[drowsy saddle]

fallout

the dead money DLC

[charred patio]

of course it sound stupid
this is not for him, its for you, eleanor

[dire mountain]

Actually i don't think there is a wrong answer here

Lettie because of her and La Flaca

[charred patio]

yeah, feel like once you reach this level of bond, all are "valid" answers

of course, except for the blatantly rude ones XD

[bleak valve]

I wish this was cannon that Qorvex's Religion is The Gospel of the Geiger.

[hybrid silo]

I've been thinking about this for a while. What is a grineer life expectancy? I know if a tenno board their ship their life expectancy drop to 30 second at most. However how long can they live if they can live until the end lf their lifetime?

[drowsy saddle]

depends on how severe the clonerot is, and whether they get cybernetics to offset failing organs

[restive river]

And Yonta

[gilded rose]

I think about twenty to thirty years. Grineers are clones from the Orikon era to be designed as slaves, but genetic cloning has serious downfalls. They're practically made in factories

But it also could be a variation since life expectancy is decreased due to "Decaying limbs or Sentience" which is why they live for a fraction of a human life

Which is cool since it can also cause more human-like behaviors!

[faint wasp]

So when the Zariman went down, the things attacking were Void Angels, right? Void energy corrupted the passengers, turned them against the rest of them?

[lean garden]

yes and no

void angels were being spawned, but the living adults were driven mad

[faint wasp]

Gotcha, so it was both

[restive river]

Void Angels seem to be a product of the conceptually embodied void ghosts feeding off of Wally’s finger

[feral cape]

He copies others forms

[fringe moth]

where does 1999 fall on the timeline?

[old dome]

very distant past...

[fringe moth]

i gathered as much, but is there a estimate on how far?

[graceful swan]

10k years

[restive river]

~11k, no?

[old dome]

17, 18 nuclear radiation wars.......

[restive river]

18 yes

Sometime after 1999 and presumably before the Orokin era

[fringe moth]

who made the proto frames?

[old dome]

so like. VERY distant past considering the current timeline is incredibly advanced enough that ppl can just. 3d print a person in coma.

[lean garden]

Albrecht Entrati

[old dome]

albrecht bc hes an Orokin. he pulled a ballas.

[strange turtle]

Albrecht took the Helminth and did a little messing about

Also may have created Temple like he did Qorvex

[fringe moth]

1999 makes more sense now

[digital grail]

The basterd doctor E

[drowsy saddle]

at some point after nuke war 10 they were just doing it to bump the number up

[old dome]

nah more like nuke 5 bc why are yall going up to 10?????

[drowsy saddle]

someone just kept lapping the lobby, smh smurf account

reminds of when i got a full bot lobby in cod and racked up 3 nukes

[wise knot]

Are both sides of equinox female?

[silk atlas]

Yup

[restive river]

always have been

[karmic prism]

Haha about that

Maybe I have false memories but I thought the day side was once male but they changed it because China didn't like it

[restive river]

False memory

[karmic prism]

Or at the very least was implied

Strange

[restive river]

She’s always been female, just swapping between a more “masculine” and “feminine” appearance

Also like
We have openly trans and nonbinary characters, one frame swapping their appearance slightly is nothing :p

[karmic prism]

True that. I honestly don't know why I didn't think of that

Thanks for correcting me tho

[winged flume]

Kullervo and Ordin Karis both did similar acts.

[tall echo]

If you explain them badly enough yeah

[restive river]

We too attempted to kill the Orokin
We just succeeded

[gilded rose]

Let's be fair. The sentients had the Orikon on the defense. We were built to win against them. We beat the sentients and the Orikon. Now we practically own the system

For all of Orokin's tech, they were destroyed by like three different factions

Prolly cause they were too focused on luxury

I wonder what exactly they looked like. Humans, right? From the way Dr. Entrati looks like? But then the Entrati family is a bit... Larger than life

[normal mountain]

Think Ballas

[gilded rose]

But wasn't he also kind of deformed from something?

[normal mountain]

Genetic modification to look like that

Sort of an Orokin staple

[gilded rose]

Oh yeah! I remember they did things to change their appearance for funsys

Although ballas could've done better

[tall echo]

Entrati are large because the deimos infestation strain just does that

[gilded rose]

I thought it was something like that. I was just curious why they didn't just... Turn into some monstrosity

[tall echo]

They mostly did tbf

Like they're more infested worm than humanoid orokin by now

[gilded rose]

True

[strange plinth]

Father has 100% infested flesh in the cut across him
but ik what you mean, a lot of their features are surprisingly intact when you compare to other infested beings we can see

[gilded rose]

Could the same genetic altering help them survive the infested? 🤔

[tall echo]

No

The infestation doesn't care about that stuff, it reshapes victims and objects on a molecular level

[gilded rose]

Then... I wonder what made the Entrati so different. I mean... They aren't part of the hivemind. They are relatively intact, all things considered

[tall echo]

Probably why it's so hard to cure, it just completely changes itself all the time

[tall echo]

They're actively losing themselves to the hivemind

[gilded rose]

Really?

[tall echo]

Yes

That's why they don't remember their names

[gilded rose]

Oh yeah. They said something about losing themselves to Deimos. In the early part of my gameplay, I kind of missed key parts of the story

[strange plinth]

were they infested when deimos was phased into the void or was that during?
infestation may not have spread as much as it would've otherwise while it was in there

[gilded rose]

Wait... Deimos was phased into the void?

[lament loom]

how weak are the hex members compared to their full warframe counterparts

[gilded rose]

Like more wise? If so, that's a good question cause they seem to be identical

[lament loom]

what happens if we dropped a stalker beacon in the mall

do you think hey could take him on

[tall echo]

Slightly weaker due to not being able to go all out

[tall echo]

Unknown

[gilded rose]

If so, then Stalker would kill them right? Cause I'm pretty sure frames fall to him all the time

[woven coyote]

Probably during/after colapse

Like deimos was infested during the old war
But we dont know the timeframe of when son let it inside

[tall echo]

It was in the void until they needed help because grandma decided to damage the heart

[tall echo]

If he could go to 1999, sure

[lament loom]

didn’t the orokin create the infested

[tall echo]

No

[lament loom]

i’ve been lied to

[gilded rose]

Wait, I thought they did?

What else has the council lied to me about?

[tall echo]

They weaponized the infestef

[strange plinth]

common misconception for a while due to some unclear dialog in an early quest, which was recently changed

[gilded rose]

That's so, so much worse

[tall echo]

As 1999 quite obviously shows, it existed long before the empire

[gilded rose]

Yeah...wait, that should've been obvious 🤦‍♂️

Different strains and all that

But... That raises the question. Where did it come from

[tall echo]

Better late realization than never

[tall echo]

Unknown

[gilded rose]

Yay... Love not knowing

Ignorance is bliss until it tries to kill you

[strange plinth]

höllvania seems to be the origin location, at least for the outbreak, but yeah.

[tall echo]

Earliest stated appearance of the infestation is 1998 iirc

1999 is the "plague year"

[lament loom]

i mean if i didn’t know better i probably would be on scaldras side too

[gilded rose]

In my defense, I kind of thought Techrot was something completely separate and different. but I started realizing it acted like the same, sort of. But then I figured that they just used similar models to make it easier for animators

I over thought it essentially

[strange plinth]

techrot is closest to the mutualist strain
tho i don't remember if that was used or cultivated by alad

[lament loom]

i wonder why they don’t take over more technology things in the present

[tall echo]

If I didn't witness their numerous war crimes I'd be too

[tall echo]

Rediscovered iirc

[gilded rose]

Perhaps a different strain? It might've evolved or, since it's kind of like a virus, mutated

[strange plinth]

possibly the same strain at different times, then?

[tall echo]

The infestation does take over technology, it just reshapes it into more infestation instead of "holding" it like techrot does

[gilded rose]

I mean... Lots of things now are more organic than machinery now.

And vice versa I guess

[gilded rose]

Ah. Cause it's stronger?

[gilded rose]

Oh, like Judas. That infested ship

[tall echo]

The funniest techrot enemy are those annoying stagger machines that appear all over the walls and ceilings. Just a walking blowtorch and gas canister combo

[tall echo]

Jordas was a cephalon, but yes

[tall echo]

🤷

[gilded rose]

Too many unknowns. it's both fascinating and irritating

[tall echo]

Yeah

[gilded rose]

Alright... Then let's move onto something else that might have more explanationz

Protoframes

[tall echo]

Mostly explained

[gilded rose]

Ok. What made them then?

[tall echo]

Albrecht

[gilded rose]

Cause they obviously ain't human

I remember that

[tall echo]

They were human

[strange plinth]

albrecht n his half-batches of helminth
some sort of injection

[tall echo]

Albrecht gave them helminth injections

Significantly slowed the transformation so they could stay sane, but it's not completely halted

[gilded rose]

Hence the opening scene?

[lament loom]

so albrecht went back in time and kinda changed it, is the present day in a branched reality

[tall echo]

1999 is the active past

[gilded rose]

But wouldn't that create a paradox?

[strange plinth]

palimpset of spacetime duviri tablet here

[tall echo]

"Events can be rewritten, traces of the original persist"

[strange plinth]

the altered 1999 and the present origin are still the same timeline, no branches

[tall echo]

Nah

[gilded rose]

How is that possible?

[tall echo]

.

[gilded rose]

So a "The universe will always right itself" sort of situation

[lament loom]

did the orokin before already know about the man in the wall

[tall echo]

No

Albrecht discovered(and potentially created) him

[gilded rose]

The Man in the Wall?

[tall echo]

[gilded rose]

Sorry...

[tall echo]

You're joking right

[lament loom]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-scared-gif-27466237

[gilded rose]

Nope

[strange plinth]

albrecht did, but likely didn't share
barely told the courtiers of duviri, n they practically live with wally

[tall echo]

[gilded rose]

You'd be surprised at what I don't know

[tall echo]

Wally has been a MAJOR part of the story since chains of harrow

[lament loom]

i’m just thinking because like why didn’t he just go back to when the orokin were still good and tell them about him

[tall echo]

You think the orokin were ever good?

[gilded rose]

Yeah. I know wally

[tall echo]

.

[gilded rose]

I just kind of brute forced through things and it worked out

[tall echo]

Wwhhha

[lament loom]

well not good but like the only super power pretty much

[gilded rose]

I only found out how to use the helminth yesterday? And I'm on the hex

Actually... I blew Vinny's mind with it. It's in this chat

[tall echo]

You don't know wally but you know wally

[humble sierra]

I highly recommend replaying the quests. Wally first shows up at the end of War Within

[gilded rose]

Yes

I remember that.

[humble sierra]

Chains of Harrow is all about him but his nature is unclear

[gilded rose]

Wally just kind of shows up, I see him and... Be like "That's the void guy"

[tall echo]

Helminth is completely optional so that's not surprising

[humble sierra]

After building a Railjack, you get a bonus objective of repairing the reliquary drive and then it reveals his finger

And if you've done Chains of Harrow, he'll be there

[humble sierra]

I mean that's the gist of him

[tall echo]

I am. So confused

Actually starting to get a headache

[gilded rose]

Did I do something wrong?

[tall echo]

???

[gilded rose]

Yeah. I can't remember what that goes to.

[humble sierra]

Man in the Wall is the Void guy you see

Wally is the community's name for him

The game has also moved onto calling him or "It" the Indifference

[gilded rose]

I remember doing a crap ton of quests, saw some cool stuff, did the new war. Learned something interesting. Then moved on. Found the hex. Found some cool stuff. Move on.

[gilded rose]

Oh! Oh oh oh. That was the name of the mission. I forgot it and most

I only recently got into the lore. Why? Cause I got bored.

[tall echo]

[gilded rose]

I mean... I find it all really cool. I've been studying more and more into it

But things just... Kind of happen. I roll the dice in my life and i usually win the gambit

But hey! That makes two... Maybe three people that had their minds blown from my sheer ignorance

[restive river]

The Man in the Wall
The Lidless Eye
The Indifference
The Murmur

[gilded rose]

I've heard indifference

Lol

[restive river]

The Man in the Wall is said by Rell and Albrecht
I think Palladino says Lidless Eye
Everyone during and post whispers says Indifference
And the Murmur is just an extension of Wally

Bro sent skin cells to lay out a path
And it worked
But we stopped him, so far

[gilded rose]

What exactly is Wally's goals?

[restive river]

Unknown exactly

But it aint good

[gilded rose]

There was something I noticed. About how the Protoframes "took" the power but we... "Asked for it" or borrow it or something

[smoky solstice]

I really wonder how these storylines are gonna end with the new protos

Flare has been a banger tbh, really love that we get to actually have a conversation with the infestation

I mean there is the Helminth but this is much better, goes much deeper

I mean I probably should be more aggressive against it but I'm kinda curious if there's a genuine way to reach like a stable two-way infestation-human relationship now

[gilded rose]

Flare?

[smoky solstice]

If you're referring to the thing in the Hex quest, the Indifference is not referring to the Hex, it's referring to the Orokin. The Hex did not take anything from Wally, they don't have anything void-related in them, it's the Orokin who used the Indifference's fingers for their own interests.

We in contrast struck a deal with the Indifference, these powers we have were "given freely"

[smoky solstice]

Yeah, Flare Varleon, one of the new protoframes

[gilded rose]

Oh! Must've misunderstood then

[smoky solstice]

Hm but now I'm thinking like does it just want to turn Flare into like Eleanor in the Hex quest

Because it seemed a bit too anti-human in that case

Not really something you can just have around

[restive river]

No, that was Albrecht and the Orokin
Wally got his finger stolen when it was accidentally chopped off

The Tenno however were given a piece willingly as we made a deal with Wally

[smoky solstice]

How are y'all treating Lizzie, are you just super aggressive against it or hearing it out

[brittle siren]

I dont think so, she really love being with Flare

[brittle siren]

I actually hearing her out

[smoky solstice]

Yeah but like wouldn't it be that way with Eleanor as well?

[gilded rose]

What do y'all mean?

[restive river]

Not true actually, the Protoframes are void attuned as well as their bikes
Which means they’re void powered same as any other Warframe

[smoky solstice]

What's the difference here, they're both heavily infested

[gilded rose]

I only just started the Hex, so I'm curious

[brittle siren]

Eleanor is different, she was tempted by Techrot Strain, while Lizzie is directly from Helminth

[smoky solstice]

Oh, when you reach rank 4 with the syndicate, some new people move in, ignore this since it's kinda spoilers lol

[brittle siren]

which is the most friendly Strain

[gilded rose]

Eh. I'm in for the spoilers actually. I tend to miss during the actual missions

[brittle siren]

and she came from Flare blood, she kinda Flare and Helminth child

[restive river]

Eleanor and the others were infected with the techrot and later Helminth

[smoky solstice]

Well you also need to do something else for them to move in, have you interacted with Kalymos? @gilded rose

[restive river]

More like if your symbiotic cyst could talk

[gilded rose]

I've done one mission and I'm level one. Take a guess. 😅

[brittle siren]

this cyst is really big

[restive river]

Heck Lizzie likely came from Flare’s blood because of the infusion they were injected with, Temple needs a guitar.

[brittle siren]

electric guitar size

[smoky solstice]

But I don't get how Flare is mechanically different, like yeah she spawned from an accident involving blood and electricity but it was still the virus interacting with that, infecting Flare, no?

[restive river]

Yup

[smoky solstice]

Oh that's more likely yeah

[restive river]

I mean mechanically they aren’t aside from Lizzie existing and wanting to full convert Flare

[feral cape]

Given what we know to either become something real or return to being wholey unreal by retriving his finger either one would likely result in effectively omnipotent power

[restive river]

Lizzie is of the helminth same as the others
She’s just more. Talkative

[smoky solstice]

But like, the infestation is also trying to fully convert Eleanor, and we see what that looks like

[restive river]

She should have a chat with Arthur’s sword

[restive river]

Yes but that’s the techrot not the helminth

[brittle siren]

Lizzie said today that she don't want to actually remove Flare mind at all, so it dont think it like Eleanor case

[smoky solstice]

Well you can do it at any time, the cat is just chilling in the backroom

[restive river]

Techrot is more primitive
Helminth is probably the most advanced strain ee know tbh

[restive river]

It’s def more like turning Flare into a normal Warframe

[smoky solstice]

How are they different?

Well actually ig they are, but they still view themselves as one with the infested

[restive river]

Different strains from different times
Primitive strain vs one of the most advanced and intelligent strains

[brittle siren]

or the Coda since they can form a mind base on the On Lyne band, we can even convert them work for us

[smoky solstice]

All as one if you will

[gilded rose]

O-0. I didn't know the cat did anything

[smoky solstice]

Hm true

I'm just concerned Lizzie is seducing me

[restive river]

The Coda are purely Techrot, very primitive, cloned and based off the boys

[restive river]

Do not the guitar

[gilded rose]

Is that such a bad thing?

Give in

[smoky solstice]

I don't mean it in that way

[restive river]

Join us.
Embrace us.

[smoky solstice]

I mean like in terms of corrupting Flare and turning it mad

[restive river]

[smoky solstice]

Them I mean lmao

[brittle siren]

yeah I know but they kinda smarter than most Techrot, they even form a word "die" in a very normal sentence that the On Lyne band used to say

[gilded rose]

Become one with us. For we are multiple. For we are strong. We are... The honk legion

[smoky solstice]

Too many its that are alive in Warframe, including the guitar

[restive river]

Lizzie did tell me she didn’t make the frames empty
But it did also seem like it was the infestation that made them go mad, not “empty”

[feral cape]

Guitar is a she

[brittle siren]

it like Ordis trying to swear while he not able to at the same time

[smoky solstice]

I mean the guitar is technically a she but it's also the infestation, so it's kinda like both

[feral cape]

Well she has an identity

[restive river]

I wouldn’t say smarter, just better trained

[smoky solstice]

Like we don't gender the helminth

[brittle siren]

and Wally has no gender, yet ppl call Wally "he"

[smoky solstice]

And the guitar is just helminth

[gilded rose]

But we could.

[smoky solstice]

Yeah but it is also acceptable

[restive river]

Base techrot is like an AI model doing its own thing, training on anything it can grab
The On-Lyne boys are like an AI model specifically trained on one thing but still is connected to the rest of that model

[feral cape]

We don't gender the flesh wall because it has no gender guitar is a women

[restive river]

The Coda clones are just more specific, still primitive techrot

Lizzie is a she
Helminth is a we

[smoky solstice]

But what is the difference between the wall and the guitar

[feral cape]

Thats because he is called the MAN in the wall

[restive river]

Identity

[smoky solstice]

But Lizzie is also a we, she says so herself

[restive river]

And a she.

[feral cape]

Lizzie has gender

[brittle siren]

maybe the first thing he saw ever is a MAN

[restive river]

She both is an individual and is connected to the hivemind

[smoky solstice]

I'm not saying she's not a she, I'm saying she's both a she and an it

[feral cape]

Lizzie singular is a women lizzie collective is a we

[smoky solstice]

Like the wall

[restive river]

Ye

[brittle siren]

is there any other Helminth creation that as smart as Lizzie?

well beside warframe

[restive river]

Unknown

Also I do think it’s important that Lizzie only speaks when with Flare
She’s present in Temple but does not speak

[brittle siren]

is Khora cat an infested cat or normal cat and Khora has a pocket dimension to store her?

[restive river]

Immortal cat

[smoky solstice]

Idk, I just don't want Flare to get Eleanor'd and get the bad ending that way, I mean Rebecca already referring to this as a sorts Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde plot, what if she meant that in more ways than just the whole 2 personalities thing

[restive river]

Maybe infested to an extent
Though iirc Kavats eat the infestation

[smoky solstice]

And also implied that one of them is evil

(Never read the book)

[restive river]

All the new Hex members have good and bad endings

[brittle siren]

Lizzie is the least "evil" in term of "infested evil"

[restive river]

Helmintj too

[brittle siren]

I actually want her to co exist with Flare

[restive river]

Helminth loves us
:)

[tall echo]

Lizzie is helminth basically

[restive river]

Same tbh, it’s the best option

[brittle siren]

"the void demon has awake, how" ahh Helminth

[restive river]

Since there’s no curing this and the other option is uh. Not great

[restive river]

Scrunkly lil wall mouth :)

[brittle siren]

tbh removing Lizzie only make the Techrot easily reach Flare mind

[restive river]

If she can even be removed

Which I doubt she can tbh

I shoulda asked what happens if they threw her away-

[brittle siren]

I mean she did afraid though

[smoky solstice]

Yeah, I'm honestly clueless where I stand with both Kaya and Velimir/Minnerva, like I felt like I butchered the whole Kaya thing for a while but now we're kinda chilling (although still hitting a severe lack of golden texts, does she even have golden texts in a lot of her dialogues? Because the last one didn't even feel like it went bad). For Flare it seems like the ending will be related to this pro/anti-infestation plot, but I have no idea what the dichotomy will be for the other endings.

[tall echo]

I should've asked flare if th- oh come on

I hate being on mobile

[restive river]

Kaya does have golden texts yes

I have stayed away from calling her kid, only uplifting her intelligence, competence and interests

[brittle siren]

also Kaya confirm that us use base frame transform into Protoframe isnt time travel, it just like we "on call" them into the battle

[restive river]

Basically
I’m nice to her

[restive river]

Yeah that makes sense

[restive river]

I’m on mobile too

[smoky solstice]

Ik, I've gotten them, I'm just curious if you just can't golden text her in some dialogues

Since last one I felt like I must've hit all the good ones but nah

[restive river]

Potentially tbh

Oh also do NOT flirt with her
And also use the name she prefers

[tall echo]

I'm not used to non-physical keyboards

[brittle siren]

Like father like daughter

[restive river]

I think Kaya might be aro and/or ace

[restive river]

I’m used to both :)

[smoky solstice]

What do you mean by this

[tall echo]

Painfully.

[smoky solstice]

I haven't seen one dialogue option even having the word Kaya in it after that one. Oh and also learned the initial thing the hard way lmao

[restive river]

Lmao

[brittle siren]

well she want to time travel, and she did ask other Hex but they dont know, so that mean when we use the Gemini skin, it more like non-canon stuff or it really apply like we still playing in 1999 and call them for assistance

[smoky solstice]

Oh, nah yeah, it wouldn't have made any sense if the Hex were actually there, I assume non-canon

[tall echo]

With her exceptional intellect and very specific conversation topic interests, I'm suspecting a form of autism
It just seems very familiar

[smoky solstice]

I thought you meant she revealed as to how they are actually there when we have the skins on

[smoky solstice]

Or she's just smart and obsessed with the time travel thing because she wants to be anywhere but 1999

[restive river]

I can see that too
Tbh both

The amount of people on the spectrum who I know who are also lgbtq+ (including me) is large lol

[tall echo]

That. Does not exclude autism.

[smoky solstice]

In terms of her generally not being very sociable, that seems more related to her internet related trauma

[humble sierra]

Chats with her (spoilers, DATAMINED so you won't get it for another 2 or so days naturally ) ||reveal she had a boyfriend, but only online, and she sent him a nude which he then shared to everyone she knew|| so she's not ready to date anyone any time soon

[smoky solstice]

Whatever that was

[brittle siren]

so what are you in the LGBT group?

[humble sierra]

She has a crush ||on Arthur||, finding them cute

[smoky solstice]

Wait she's already revealing this?

[brittle siren]

(just curious)

[smoky solstice]

Or did you just mega cook with the chats

[humble sierra]

Kimulacrum has all the chats

[brittle siren]

where did you read this?

[humble sierra]

spoiled it for meself, but I think I'll be getting that chat tomorrow

[restive river]

Lesbian and trans
Still figuring out finer details too but that’s the known basics

[brittle siren]

so you biological gender is female?

[smoky solstice]

Oh, so all of that is datamined? I didn't seem to find the logs on the wiki, just assumed that stuff gets done after people complete those, but ig that wouldn't make much sense with the coding language variables in there.

[tall echo]

I haven't even figured out the rough details myself

[restive river]

Unfortunately no, though I have been and making further progress with my transition
I’d go into finer details but I’m not really comfortable with that

[smoky solstice]

Well I clicked on your spoiler tag thinking I'm like doing these every day so no way I'm gonna spoil myself, so I'm kinda cooked now too, although it was a pretty small spoiler tbh, you can kinda assume that's what happened anyway

[restive river]

Take your time, we all figure it out at our own pace 🫂

[smoky solstice]

And I stopped reading halfway

[humble sierra]

It won't be on the Wiki, there's a website called browse.wf that has all the data mined chats

[feral cape]

I'm pan

[tall echo]

Considering my tendency to want to understand as much as I can, the fact that I don't understand myself is. Inconvenient.

[brittle siren]

I wish you good luck with that

[restive river]

Woo!

[humble sierra]

Hang on I'll put an edit in my message to make it clear that you can't get this chat yet for anyone in the future

[brittle siren]

though it suck that many trans in the US suffer with a certain person name T ruining their life

[humble sierra]

Really sorry to anyone who didn't know that

[smoky solstice]

Fair although I was also being an idiot so

[restive river]

It can be tough but take your time

[smoky solstice]

You can just say his name, he's not Voldemort lmao

[restive river]

||He’s as ugly as him||

[brittle siren]

I dont think I can talk much about "politic" in here so just in case

[humble sierra]

The concept of gender fluidity is one that appeals to me but at the same time I don't think I'd be an attractive enough "woman" to present myself as one

[restive river]

Attractiveness is subjective
Be what makes you feel like you!

[humble sierra]

This is how I look as a guy though, just took this image

[brittle siren]

would

[smoky solstice]

And as much of an a** tbh, I just don't think he should be given some type of gravitoss I guess lmao, as if he's some serious evil villain and not who he actually is, which is a deeply unserious villain

[smoky solstice]

Fair enough

[humble sierra]

Take that back, Ralph Fiennes is fiiiiine

[tall echo]

Anyways warframe

[humble sierra]

Oh right this is a Warframe server

[smoky solstice]

True, the video game

[brittle siren]

the thing is, he has 4 more years and he can literally snap any US citizen, or even any country out of the existence, so yeah I don't want to bet on my life

[feral cape]

My favorite lgbtq is from scythe where a characters gender was determined by the weather

[restive river]

He’s deeply incompetent and very harmful, which is what makes him dangerous
But
I’ll stray from further politics

[tall echo]

How does a bladeless rapier do slash damage

[restive river]

Gender cloud

[restive river]

Void magic

[humble sierra]

Reminds me of Khajiit in elder scrolls where their form is depending on the lunar cycle

You could look like a cat-person but your uncle could literally look like a normal house cat

[smoky solstice]

Anyway, only thing I'm deeply sad about is that I spoiled the jumpscare for myself. Had my actual bluetooth headphones charging so I used the half working ones at low volume, I wish I felt the full effect of it 😭

[tall echo]

Did hok infuse my zaw with void magic

[humble sierra]

The audio makes it feel so goofy imo

[restive river]

I got the good convo so I gotta check that out still

[humble sierra]

The image on its own is scarier

[smoky solstice]

I knew a jumpscare was coming at some point too, I expected it to happen earlier tbh, in fact it would've made a lot more sense to happen in an earlier chat

[humble sierra]

Not my clip

[restive river]

He prayed to the Unum and she said “aight, bet”

[brittle siren]

wait jumpscare? you mean the part Wally sit on the chair pretend to be Albrecht?

[restive river]

LMAO
That should not have been as funny as it was to me lmao

They coulda picked a scarier noise lol

[humble sierra]

Nah, Lizzie jumpscares you

[tall echo]

Yeah nope the sound effect ruins it

[humble sierra]

FR THE AUDIO TAKES AWAY THE IMPACT

Same with the animation

[restive river]

The image is perfect
The audio is terrible lmao

[humble sierra]

If it just suddenly appeared it would be fine

[tall echo]

DE is not good at making scary stuff

[brittle siren]

they should use infested sound\

[humble sierra]

But it's got a goofy PowerPoint slide

[smoky solstice]

I really thought something was gonna happen after "I'm really sorry for what's about to happen to you", even had a small lag spike, which I thought meant something changed, would've been the perfect moment to do something, like maybe something in your orbiter/backroom, something in the doorway quickly moving around the corner and disappearing for a more subtle scare, maybe something else.

[restive river]

We got .exe in Warframe before gta6

[brittle siren]

counterpoint: Chain of Harrow and some void stuff Wally did

[restive river]

Chains of Harrow was good horror

[tall echo]

CoH isn't really scary

[restive river]

DE is good at body horror too

[restive river]

First time you play it it totally can be

[brittle siren]

also if they use electric guitar sound, they should use a very deep bass sound

[humble sierra]

That first Rap... tap... tap transmission was terrifying

[old dome]

case in point: literally all of the frames' designs.

[restive river]

They shoulda spliced in her VA screaming

[humble sierra]

Where the whole screen goes red

[restive river]

And the Void Angels!

[tall echo]

And I say that as someone who is still scared of the dark

[restive river]

Oh and the rap tap tap going from ear to ear
I love that so much

[stable kiln]

Since all the Warframes are getting their human selves don't you think it'd be cool if we saw how Excalibur Umbra looked before he turned into a Warframe? Because we know he's different from Excalibur considering the more

[humble sierra]

The "aaaaaanannanananana" is actually a chilling sound effect

[tall echo]

Not the same thing

[smoky solstice]

I kinda disagree, as someone who only heard the audio very quietly, the jumpscare just doesn't hit. I mean the audio was a little cheesy but from what it sounded, it had the exact vibe of those late 2000s youtube screamers and I would've loved to hear it in conjunction with that, even for just like the vibe of it. I'm a bit of a horror nut anyway, so it's not like I would've gotten super scared anyway.

[restive river]

Go look at his portrait
Also yeah not the same thing

[humble sierra]

So, the Protoframes aren't the human versions of the Warframe, they're humans who are given the power of the Warframe

[restive river]

Rebb and her team know how to COOK

[old dome]

tbf we dont actually see his face,, just his body (man's built af)

[restive river]

Yeah but it’s close enough

[humble sierra]

Wonder how much of that was the armor

[tall echo]

They do know how to cool

[humble sierra]

And how much of that is just HIM

[brittle siren]

like this? (slight jumpscare) https://www.youtube.com/shorts/CZQna92TPNk?feature=share

[restive river]

Leave me be, cephalon.

[tall echo]

100%

[tall echo]

Never

[restive river]

NOW THATS A JUMPSCARE

[old dome]

dax uniforms are so bulky in general... but he had some Beef on him i think. or maybe im just thinking of rhino's heirloom.

[restive river]

though maybe somewhere in the middle would be good for Lizzie

[smoky solstice]

Personally I've preferred the horror related parts of 1999 more. Like if Flare had a scare after that line I referred to, it would've been perfect. But in general I mean the ARG, the vibe of it was definitely much creepier for me than Chains of Harrow, which kinda just felt eh in a game like Warframe where you have extremely tight movement at all times, in no way feeling constrained or in a lot of danger at any time. But maybe that's just me

[tall echo]

Umbra's portrait is just a dax with a bigger helmet

[restive river]

Who’s beefier
Umbra or Teshin

[brittle siren]

Umbra

[old dome]

umbra

[restive river]

The 1999 ARG was amazing omg

[brittle siren]

he can kill Ballas without Ballas having Warframe restrain device

[restive river]

I’m so glad I could help out during that

[humble sierra]

Especially when you learn it was potentially all just you working for MITW

[tall echo]

The one thing that kinda unsettles me in wf are the techrot noises

[restive river]

I love the one of Zach talking about tennocon

[brittle siren]

beside that speaker one, their tune is really good

[smoky solstice]

Oh actually did I see you among the names of the people who discovered things for some of the parts or am I going crazy?

[restive river]

You did!
I helped with the requiems!

[smoky solstice]

I read a lot of the writeup someone did to do a lot of the steps

[humble sierra]

Dropped this 👑

[brittle siren]

I wish in Techrot map they use some creppy ost like the Infested theme

[restive river]

Thank you

[smoky solstice]

Remind me which one that was?

[restive river]

The requiem password that was early on

I knew the voidtongue names translated from english

[smoky solstice]

Crap, it's been a minute, do you remember what the answer was?

[tall echo]

Oh and ofc walking around a void mission without enemies. That music is gonna give me nightmares someday

[restive river]

khra
jahu
xata

[old dome]

also re: horror elements,, survival horror on zariman when? incomprehensive void powers & adults driven mad & whatever the void angels are—we got glimpses of it on aoz but. i need more. i need the tenno pov.

[restive river]

Or some variation of this

Time form truth

[restive river]

PTSD simulator when

[smoky solstice]

I mean that's kinda the problem, DE do gameplay that doesn't involve literally every aspect of what warframes can do and people get mad. Making a whole gamemode which has like actual constrained movement and weak weapons to actually instill any sort of fear to you? Too much work for something the community will probably be against anyway lmao

But the horror fans, all 3 of us, in the community would appreciate it

[restive river]

People hate stealth in this game despite the fact we’re ninjas

[old dome]

red crit numbers neuron activation

[smoky solstice]

I mean that's because this game is not designed for stealth, but in general your movement would have to be gimped and have any sort of weight to it, which is kinda the problem

[tall echo]

90% of wf players do not posess the skill necessary to obtain brain cell

[old dome]

tbh?? the only thing i didnt like abt aoz is that it focused a lot more on some random npcs that. apparently were there the whole time?? but as ghosts—basically i wish it was longer than 15min.

[smoky solstice]

And like, the apex tank boss is genuinely good, your gear matters, you have to actually learn the boss, but just because you can't do whatever ability combos you want, which easily invalidate most mechanics anyway, people don't like it

[old dome]

i wish we saw the tenno's pov of the events on zariman (yeah rell's comic exists but i Wanna play it, rather than read it) instead of the drifter's who Knows the holdfasts.

[smoky solstice]

And that's a well executed boss, again, your gear matters but doesn't invalidate the boss, fast-paced, super difficult, doesn't have damage attenuation to where it takes years to kill, but it's got the one thing where you can't use abilities that much and it kills it for people. Not even that you can't use abilities, but mostly just that you only really use the shieldgating ones.

[old dome]

i just love the zariman tileset. pure survival horror.

[smoky solstice]

I mean we see the Tenno's pov in the New War, although we don't see the whole massacre that happened probably shortly after the handshake

[smoky solstice]

I've grown to appreciate it as well, on top of all the sound design for it, just kinda hard to do super huge horror in a big way. Honestly the one thing you can do in this game that's horror related is stuff to do with your base of operations, since it's like your home, you're defenseless here, or the PC stuff, where it's kinda just comfy otherwise.

Which is why I wish the Flare thing was more than just the one jumpscare, I mean there's obviously the story but I still think the "I'm sorry for what's about to happen to you" thing was such a huge missed opportunity

My body got so tense so fast as soon as I read it, I thought I was going to be mega jumpscared as soon as I got off the PC, or maybe in it and just like nah, nothing happens

"After 2 daily resets" isn't exactly my definition of "about" Flare...

Ig I still haven't finished it so maybe something more happens but I'm just saying, there could've been a lot more build

[old dome]

"im sorry for whats about to you happen to you." & we just hear the creepiest, most chilling guitar riff from the pc's speakers, the room going dark & the last thing we see before a total black out is a lizzie-controlled flare standing right beside us. Menacingly(tm).

or they just pop out of nowhere like wally does sometimes

[feral cape]

So far my mirage omomari build hadn't had issues with just throwing my zaw at it

[smoky solstice]

Yeah, I mean the options are endless

[old dome]

if the pop-out thing is too much to do,, just have the pc repeatedly glitch.

[feral cape]

So far my biggest issue is de will not make content that requires more than 1 person to complete making some mechanics feel very flat and insanely simple

[smoky solstice]

Well I moreso was referring to attaining the accolades, there are probably some cheese strats out of literally all the Warframes in the game, but generally it's like really well done

[old dome]

accolytes you mean??

[smoky solstice]

Or have like a really subtle jumpscare that just creeps you out right after, kinda setting the tone of the whole KIM thing with Flare

[tall echo]

Can just subsume omamori

[smoky solstice]

No, Accolade glyphs, the ones for each protoframe

[tall echo]

Accolades. The rewards for beating apex tank with specific frames.

[smoky solstice]

Omamori doesn't just invalidate the boss though

[old dome]

YEAH,, love the idea of the jumpscare (bc that was fairly popular as a "joke" at the time, kinda—it was in the early-mid 00s) but. you can do more than just one.

[smoky solstice]

It's a 50% chance to still get deleted if you don't know how to dodge the boss, or how to move around, it still has much more mechanical depth and danger than literally any other boss. Including 60 eyes since it's so much easier than the Tank, it just takes years to kill

[smoky solstice]

Well it is what it is, still happy that they did do at least one

[feral cape]

Could just be because I am an "old head" when it comes to this but I really really want destiny esq raid mechanics in boss fights

[smoky solstice]

But man, I think it was just that one line that made me feel this way tbh lol, I mean Rebb said this was a horror themed KIM line, but I still thought "ok horror themed for DE is gonna be like kinda spooky convos sometimes" but then that one line hit? And my body was immediately ready for so much more, and I don't think I have psychologically recovered from just nothing happening. But maybe something even crazier happens later and I take it all back.

[tall echo]

DE should make an amped version of SP zealoid prelate for a third superboss

[void tree]

is there a lot about viktor out there and im missing things or is he just a bum

[north ferry]

I... don't really get the horror of the Lizzie stuff yet, I mean existential dread and loss of self and violation of self are all very primed for it. However at the same time the KIM conversations don't seem primed for it. I don't know if horror comes from trying to find mutual understanding.

There's probably more about Viktor out there than I know, but I don't think there is much about him.

[brittle siren]

Viktor is just a puppet

[brittle siren]

no please

if that happen all Revenant main will swarm into that mode

(I'm definitely not one of them)

[gilded rose]

Mhm

[novel valve]

Wait Did Minerva teach Rusalka to be a

Um

Idk what word to use

Did she teach Rusalka to use her body for stuff lmao

And velimir got mad at me for making a joke i didnt even understand lol

[brittle siren]

Definitely not

Could you send me that certain message pls

[north ferry]

Minerva shows off her body because it's a power move. She passed that on.

Even if she did teach Rusalka that she should also use sex, it would entirely be under the premise of it being empowering to her.

[novel valve]

I saw this and got confused

[brittle siren]

huh ok, I was wrong then

well she did teach Neci since she try to seduce Albrecht

[old dome]

it wasnt her... ish. it was wally.

...idk actually

[brittle siren]

well no it still her, Wally only join in after

technically it still both

[old dome]

also re: teshin & umbra body types (like. from WAY earlier)... the dax never skipped leg day.

which makes sense considering theyre wearing heavy metal armors on their thighs

...sorry the question of who was beefier got stuck in my head & this is the result.

[humble sierra]

I don't think Rusalka tried seducing Albrecht at any time before the quest

[north ferry]

I don't think she'd have made much contact.

[restive river]

Wouldn’t have worked anyway

Not his type

[humble sierra]

When he says "not my type" I wonder if he's referring to her being a woman or her being possessed by an eldritch abomination

[north ferry]

Yes, but I persume she would have known that if she tried before.

[restive river]

Woman

[north ferry]

Pretty sure it's the former.

[restive river]

Nah

I mean
Its part of it
But he says that and Wally turns into his type lol

[humble sierra]

He's definitely into guys, not disputing that, but he must've been with someone else before Loid since I think Eularia's his biological daughter

[restive river]

Yes, she died before he stepped foot in the void

[humble sierra]

So I wonder if he is Bi/Pan or he was "forced" into the marriage by Orokin customs or something

[restive river]

My guess is pan

Like the Protos
The only thing they have in common

[north ferry]

Eternalism Sexuality XD

[proper barn]

They are honor bound soilders.

[brittle siren]

in the quest, when she try to use her asset to seduce him

also in New War, Parvos and the Worm Queen go into hiding yes?

[old dome]

also went through what is basically a super soldier program,,

also x2: how come the executors never sent ash after kullervo when he did his treason crime?

[proper barn]

do we know that about Dax?

[proper barn]

I mean you probably wouldn't wanna send a warframe after a warframe.

also The Operators knew of him and i don't think the would wanna fight hin.

[brittle siren]

maybe they did send someone to go but Kullervo lost in the void somehow

[old dome]

iirc, yeah... or i might have made that up

[drowsy saddle]

fairly sure teshin says Dax were supercharged by the orokin when you were walking to the theater in War Within

[brittle siren]

and Lavos can go into hiding for so long, so yeah Orokin kinda suck at finding their stuff

[north ferry]

I mean, it's space... there's a lot of space out in space.

[proper barn]

"You saw the new generation of your kind and the Tenno whose deviltry blent with theirs; and you began to whisper corruption into their ears, weave dark thoughts through the coils of their minds. Incepting, as is your wont, chaos and disaster. You are charged with Espionage."

[drowsy saddle]

considering how backstabbing and coniving the Orokin are, makes sense alot of stuff falls through the cracks

[proper barn]

it's just cuz the Tenno know him @old dome

[old dome]

no i meant the 1st treason,, his 1st act of rebellion.

[proper barn]

the tenno or even most warframes

weren't around then?

yeah they killed all the other warframes of his generation. the tenno weren't there until later.

[old dome]

he did it twice: once without the tenno, after he killed his mom & fled from the dax; he went around sabotaging labs & other locations important to the Orokin. then after the tenno came back, he made a rebellion plan w them.

[proper barn]

He even sees them "appear"

[old dome]

im talking abt the 1st account of treason, pre-tenno

[humble sierra]

That's MITW

[proper barn]

but yeah ash wouldn't exist like he did in the levarian and working for the assissans.

cuz all the other gen 1s where killed

Kullervo sees them all be killed.

[old dome]

hmmm... the timeline is very vague abt ash's lore

[brittle siren]

again, she can still thinking, Wally isn't control 100% of her mind

[brittle siren]

Ash is not the only warframe lmao

also did him betray the Orokin by against their order of assassinate that father person in his story?

[old dome]

i cant remember honestly

[lean garden]

Given the closing lines of ash's leverian, ash in the story is 100000% a tenno frame

[proper barn]

yeah

that's why he couldn't

cuz he would have been after kullervo talked to the tenno.

[brittle siren]

btw how could Kullervo even talk

[lean garden]

Who said he was talkin?

Bailiff take his uvula

[brittle siren]

I mean he whispering but how

[old dome]

its describes that he was whispering in the tenno's ears to rebel

[brittle siren]

he one of the most hollow (literally) frame

well dagath can scream even her face is a hole

[lean garden]

I mean, have you tried whispering softly? No vocal cords needed

[brittle siren]

I mean making whispering sound AND make understand to hear still needed vocal cord

[lean garden]

No actually

Well, not much

Warframes cant talk, but warframes can make noise

And write

[brittle siren]

btw anyone know about this?

and can Erra act like the the Veil? Since he did mind control the kid in the cutscene with the "gem" on his body

[restive river]

The narmer mirror thing is what controls people and it seems there’s a miniature one in every veil

[brittle siren]

oh ok

[humble sierra]

He was in control of her body (even to the point where he can make her shapeshift into Loid in that very cutscene) and mind. She has no clue what's going on when you free her during the quest.

[restive river]

We see Teshin effected by the big one
Drifter looks away from the big one
And a small one is in the armor piece, implying it’s part of it (to me anyway)

[brittle siren]

that not really a valid argument since she can change form when she crash into the truck

[north ferry]

I mean... how much di we want to trust the words of gaslight, gatekeep, Ballas? Considering we know the reasons for the Tenno to rebel on their own without Kullervo.

[restive river]

She asks who Drifter is
She’s there to an extent

[brittle siren]

only when she turn into Loid/Albrecht, that when Wally is in completely

[north ferry]

Man I can't even remember that.

[restive river]

Heck, she’s bugging out between forms and doesn’t seem to recognize Drifter
She also says Kiddo
It isn’t just Russalka for sure but isn’t just Wally either

[brittle siren]

yep

[restive river]

Drifter mentions they see it to be similar to how we control warframes

And Wally is absolutely capable of transference

[brittle siren]

my theory that in actual void war, heart of deimos is destroyed and we use Wally as battery

[north ferry]

Someone described it as hollowing her out in KIM messages, possibly it's a bit of all of the above. Dissociation perhaps.
I'm wondering it it's something akin to what happen to Rell eventually?

[restive river]

I just want an expansion to our void powers

Let me use requiems

[brittle siren]

Rell constantly push Wally out, while Neci is willingly let him in, yet in both case he can't in total control

[restive river]

Oooo, I could see it being similar to Rell
Though Rell held Wally purposefully

[restive river]

We don’t know she willingly let him in

Most we have on her situation afaik is that the ARG is likely how he got access to her

[old dome]

...abt kullervo (sorry his lore makes me insane): i wonder why didnt he manifest his "mother" as his guilt? why ballas?

[brittle siren]

I mean unless there is a secret quest after all convo of the new proto, we may never know

[north ferry]

Because Ballas is the worst and makes it all about himself.

[humble sierra]

We don't have our 3 and 4s yet... 👀

[restive river]

He was crushing on Ballas

[brittle siren]

well his mom never said bad thing on him

Ballas did

[humble sierra]

Plus he wanted someone to torment him

[restive river]

THATS WHAT IM SAYING
MOTHER TALKS ABOUT EXPANDING OUR POWERS TOO RAAAA

Kullervo has terrible taste in men

[north ferry]

Yeah, considering how the Indifference works I can see something like the eternal loop would wear away at someone's mental in the way the serves Wally.

[brittle siren]

tbh Ballas appearance not that bad, beside the arm

and his personality

[north ferry]

It's Ballas, he do be like that. If that is a manipulative horrible creature.

[old dome]

no he wasnt.

[brittle siren]

he is, more like seeking attention

[north ferry]

It's a way of putting it. Emotionally dependant, seeking approval, something along those lines.

[old dome]

yeah but he did kill her by accident... youd think he'd be overcome w guilt abt that...

[north ferry]

And who would absolutely manipulate that to their advantage?

[brittle siren]

well that the last thing he want to see ig

also he has M blood

[old dome]

thats being an abuse victim, not crushing on someone who ruined your life.

[brittle siren]

literally have knife all over the body

[brittle siren]

it called "toxic relationship"

[north ferry]

More focus trees... yay?

[old dome]

yeah. not a "crush". just an abuse victim showing symptoms of emotional abuse, same as lotus.

[brittle siren]

summoner school ?

summon void angel to help you fight

[brittle siren]

you clearly never heard of toxic relationship

[old dome]

no i do know what that is...

i still wouldnt describe kullervo being guilty over Not killing the man who ruined his life a "crush".

[restive river]

He super was lmao

[north ferry]

Guilty over not killing him?

[restive river]

Summon our void angeled parents to fight alongside us

[old dome]

he wasnt but sure.

whatever.

[brittle siren]

I meannnnnn

[north ferry]

Look. We already have Space Mum, Racist Grandpa and Uncle Teshin and Found Family themes out the wazoo

[old dome]

what else would it be? he tried to kill him & failed at it... badly. bc ballas has that plot armor in him.

[brittle siren]

no, Kullervo has a really twisted mind about how to meet Ballas, by doing SEVEN crimes. He never want to kill Ballas and from his story, he has M blood, mean he want Ballas to hurt him by all means

[north ferry]

Wut M blood?

[old dome]

???????????????

weird interpretation but sure. whatever.

[brittle siren]

also I dont think he target Ballas

[old dome]

the thing that eleanor has going on for her character design

[brittle siren]

MSDB but in reverse

[north ferry]

Masochism? That's... a claim

[old dome]

right! you get me 🤝🫂

[brittle siren]

he has knifer all over his body

[old dome]

yeah from being STABBED. same as drifter

[brittle siren]

Drifter being stab cuz the OP in real world is stabbed by Ballas, it echo into Drifter

[old dome]

he died multiple times by thrax but ok. weird interpretation of kullervo's lore.

[brittle siren]

also that irrelevant to kullervo

[old dome]

not really considering they both got punished multiple times by void-made beings from their own self-hating consciousness.

[brittle siren]

because in KIM, drifter said he want to leave, but the king wont let Drifter to do that so he make his guard to kill loop Drifter until Lotus hand fall down

[brittle siren]

what...? they literally friend before Drifter wanted to leave

and Drifter live there from a child to adulthood, ofc Drifter has up and down in Duviri but it not as bad as Kullervo who put himself in a arena of torment since the beginning

[north ferry]

I understood Kullervo as being emotional manipulated and gaslit by Ballas, who has a history of doing such. You could call that a 'crush' playfully, sure because discernment of that emotionally fraught situation.

[old dome]

...ok??? doesnt. change anything i said????

[north ferry]

Warframes, by being gameplay tools, typically don't have dynamic stories. So not really comparable to Drifter's.

[brittle siren]

it does, and it irrelevant to Kullervo case still

like you compare to an execution that only happen because Drifter want to leave, to the one who wanted to be hurt so he imagine the Warden in the image of Ballas to do that

sure that really related to each other

[old dome]

its really not. you & ducky repeatedly calling kullervo's guilty consciousness & self hatred a "crush" & "m/sochism" is irrelevant

[old dome]

when did it ever say that kullervo wanted to be hurt? when???

[brittle siren]

then please explain why his knife hurt himself

[old dome]

where??????

[old dome]

you never heard of s/lf harm bc of severe depression? ok.

your own ignorance.

[north ferry]

I am very confused by this conversation now.

[brittle siren]

then why he imagine the Warden to torment him then? that not how depression work

[old dome]

it is.

thats. literally how self loathing works.

youre TORMENTING YOURSELF.

please stop insisting that mental illness & symptoms of abuse are m/sochism

stop insisting that sh is m/sochism

youre weird for that. you & ducky.

anyway. moving on.

[north ferry]

We can least all agree that we all hate Ballas.

[old dome]

im waiting for the day umbra just pops up in orbiter the same way wally does...

like. one day we log in & just see him move in the orbiter. or stand around at the foundry.

[north ferry]

The man has finally got a semblance of peace, I hope he doesn't.

[old dome]

he lives in the orbiter. i just wanna see him move around instead of creepy wally.

[north ferry]

Umbra giving us a quest/storyline would be interesting tho.

[old dome]

you log in & see umbra listening to nora night's radio

[brittle siren]

"You, Kullervo, thought an Executor's favor was a thing to be stolen and worn. You spilled precious Orokin blood - before seeking the Executor out for approval. Hated Kullervo, did you truly believe he could love you? You are, forevermore, a low murderer"

[old dome]

his personal story may be over but like. no reason to Not have him be our navigator—yeah he cant talk but. he can take some of the load off of lotus' shoulders by sending us the event missions in the mail

...if he can still write. if he hadnt lost that too.

[drowsy saddle]

All the announcer voicelines is him growling

[north ferry]

Lol

[brittle siren]

yeah def not crush Ballas at all

[drowsy saddle]

Since, ya know, no vocal cords in sufficient condition to talk

[old dome]

or nothing at all,, his img just shows up in the left side of the screen & youre supposed to find out what that means

[drowsy saddle]

Can't we just have Umbra as a faux-specter or on call crew

[old dome]

i mean. he kinda already is when you play as tenno...

[north ferry]

On call would be neat, also, can't he just be a specter?

[drowsy saddle]

Then we can have umbra, stalker spectre, and arthur as the excal gang

[north ferry]

I mean not as Umbra. Would be weird and neat.

Isn't Stalker more reflective of Ash?

[brittle siren]

melee specter is not that good

[north ferry]

Never used a specter properly.

[brittle siren]

evident with old Caliban 3

[old dome]

how so?? bc they go invisible?

[drowsy saddle]

Technically his body is an excal

Visually speaking, stalker has abilities from different frames

[old dome]

still not over the fact that the red accent on his helmet is the shape of a muzzle......

[brittle siren]

Just 1 final note

Sure the m/sochism isn't true since I can't find anything related about it

But the "crush on Ballas" maybe true, or maybe he is childrish and want Ballas to praise him. Either way, Kullervo like Ballas

"You, Kullervo, thought an Executor's favor was a thing to be stolen and worn. You spilled precious Orokin blood - before seeking the Executor out for approval. Hated Kullervo, did you truly believe he could love you? You are, forevermore, a low murderer"

ok i'm done

[old dome]

...i wish we can kill the ballas in duviri. i dont wanna fight kullervo i wanna fight that pos

[old dome]

the reason why im not over it is bc of the way ballas descriped him as "loyal as a dog" to jade... 🔪🔪🔪🔪🔪🔪🔪🔪

[north ferry]

I mean, I suppose it's a mixed group of abilities, it's an assassin kit tho.

[brittle siren]

that Warden said that he exist outside the void but the woman that sell stuff in Duviri also said she not trusting him

(and thanks for the ignore, much appreciated)

[old dome]

youre weird + you said you were done so... 🤷‍♀️

[brittle siren]

oh sure me just doing some speculation is "weird"

sure whatever

block me then

[lofty pewter]

Yo um

[brittle siren]

hello

[lofty pewter]

Do we run out of conversation in KIM?

[brittle siren]

yes

[lofty pewter]

F

[brittle siren]

but the new proto isnt yet

[lofty pewter]

Guess I’ll have to force myself to talk to real people then

[brittle siren]

what 😭

[old dome]

idk i just got to rank 5 yesterday,, i think i got the same conversations twice w both quincy & aoi tho so.

[lofty pewter]

Yeah it kinda sucked ngl

[north ferry]

I don't know what you're talking about, grass is great.

[brittle siren]

not real ppl

I hate my teacherS keep giving presentation assignment

like we have 5 already

[lofty pewter]

When your job demands a lot of grass touching eventually it’s not gonna be as fun

[brittle siren]

and not only 1 subject, every subject they do the same thing over and over again

[gilded rose]

People are terrible. I don't even run squads on games anymore

[lofty pewter]

I LOVE those, I am pretty good at spit balling

Maybe a little too good I think that’s what the problem is.

[gilded rose]

Nope. Denied. Presentation? No

[brittle siren]

the thing is, he keep giving topic that is really annoying to do (for us)

[proper barn]

I think most people are good. Even in warframe.

[gilded rose]

But the interactions

Btw it's @proper barn! One of my favorites so far

[proper barn]

Hmmmm?

What is?

[gilded rose]

Oh. You're the one that taught me about the helminth

And some cool lore too

[proper barn]

Oh yeah you're welcome.

Did you built the Helminth segment?

[gilded rose]

Nope! I couldn't get on today

[proper barn]

Gotcha.

I got 2 new ephemera today.

[gilded rose]

How?

[proper barn]

Okay the Coda have a WAY higher chance

to have a ephemera than normal liches.

[gilded rose]

Liches drop ephemera?

[proper barn]

yes?

[gilded rose]

Huh

[proper barn]

Sisters and Kuva Liches have a 20% chance to have a Emphera basedon their element. (kuva liches ephemera and Sisters Ephemera are differet)

Coda liches it feels like it's over 50%.

but they are also guaranteed to have some cosmetic for you.

[gilded rose]

I kind of started killing of Lib LOMM cause he was stealing my stuff. That's it really.

[proper barn]

Coda liches are way more smooth and fun

than normal ones.

[gilded rose]

Originally it wasn't that big of an issue. Till he took some fate pearls. So I went on a genocide mission and removed him from Earth

[proper barn]

they can also take archon shards and stuff.

which is funny.

anyway coda liches good.

[gilded rose]

Then I know my next targets

[proper barn]

also even converting any liches you still get ephemera so people trade liches with that. youcan't trade a lich twice so if you get traded a lich kill it.

[gilded rose]

Welp. I'm better at murder than trading anyhow

it's just more entertaining

[proper barn]

Anyway Coda liches way better overall.

Way smoother they drop standing items for the hex.

When you stab them.

[gilded rose]

I was just about to ask if they were related to the hex

What do I have to do to start getting them to show up?

Cause normal liches started showing up after I killed one of the queens (I think that's what happened).

Also! The lore on liches says they might be injected with Orikon blood? Or something like that? But what exactly are they

[north ferry]

Rank 4 with the Hex, then missions with Techrot.

[proper barn]

okay i didn't know if you had to be a certain rank.

[gilded rose]

Aight. Sounds doable. Let me rank up a few tho. And get stronger frames cause Umbra is having some resistance

[proper barn]

also btw it's always correct to stab your Coda liches.

there's no negative for doing so.

[north ferry]

I think it's rank 4, but I might be confusing that with the new protoframes.

[gilded rose]

With the...uhm parazon.. right?

It's the only thing I could think of 😅

[proper barn]

yes. you will need certain mods and stuff but they are just from like a "Anti virus" bounty.

You can each check 3 at a time when you only need 1.

[gilded rose]

I feel like a noob all over again. But nonetheless fun to learn about it.

[blissful merlin]

I converted my first coda the other day. Zeke_crust and all the dialogue he ever said to me was how he hated pizza and big bytes lmao. It was just too perfect to vanquish.

[proper barn]

i mean they are like pre-recorded lines. cuz they are basiclly Tech Clones of the OG members for interviews.

[blissful merlin]

I know…it was just pretty perfect lines with his name being Zeke_crust

[strange turtle]

Yeah

I never spoke of him, that Man, trapped in the wall. And while there have been countless souls who have followed me through, not a single one ever saw him. Me.

[cunning sand]

i kinda love the way time travel seems to work for the drifter/infested. convos with lizzie make it seem like the infestations hivemind works with nonlinear time, so it remembers what will happen across time/lines. so drifter transfers into a warframe, the helminth sucks the frame in, and spits it back out in the past? similar thing with the codas going to the future, at least from what im understanding

so effectively only those with access to transference or who are intertwined with the infestation may time travel.. so kayas goal is kind of kaputt :(

unless she already figured out a way to and i didnt get that convo yet shrug

[humble sierra]

The Void is more likely to be the "easiest" form of time travel access

Nothing is stopping her from researching the void, and she's already figured out stuff like receiving ||Nora Night's signal|| and is keen on learning about ||Protea||

[runic jungle]

I dunno if I missed it, but who are like the acolytes that spawn in steel path missions? I kinda just expect em now but are they like stalker’s students?

I dunno if it was ever explained and I just missed it

[heady quest]

They are like followers of the stalker. There was this whole event about them but it never got turned into a quest or anything in game

[lean garden]

even the infestation themselves dont seem to explicitly physically time travel. I'm waiting on the dev stream to see if they can answer that question

but uh, in essence, if the coda can cling to our void infused dna, whats stopping kaya

[heady quest]

God I gotta read the KIM one day, I missed so much

[tall echo]

They're wannabe stalkers that originally appeared in an operation where they wanted to kill alad v

[heady quest]

They should like add these events back as small cutscenes or dialogues or something

[raw stone]

They already do. Their opening lines reference the operation. But the operation is kaput.

And their new purpose quite literally doesn't make sense when we're in Sedna SP with some discount Stalker wanting to take us out to get to Alad. Like what.

[proper barn]

okay you CAN turn on PLAY ALL MESSAGEs to get all the messages in every rank of friendship.

which i would recommend everyone do now.

[raw stone]

Yup. However this notation only applies to reset days.

[proper barn]

what?

[raw stone]

So... whenever you actually reset it will.

[proper barn]

no you can just turn it on.

i did day 1.

[raw stone]

Vin. I'm already max rank with everyone else except the new protos.

[proper barn]

OH okay

[raw stone]

Thw chats aren't on.

[proper barn]

what i meant is

[raw stone]

I think... it did apply to the new protos.

[proper barn]

if you are a low rank it will work but if you already are at max and ahve had all the converstaions

it wouldn't work. also the Protos are like that anyway.

Also did you get the good ending with all of them?

[raw stone]

Yeah. The protos join during spring too so...

[proper barn]

no?:

they join at rank 4-5 not a specific season.

[heady quest]

I mean like in really past events like the hunt for Alad V or Tethra’s doom

[proper barn]

unless you meant when DE added them.

[raw stone]

Not finished yet. I think I'm getting through to Flare and somewhat of Kaya... and Minerva and Veilimir are in a good spot.

[raw stone]

When the update dropped.

[proper barn]

if you did the good ending they will be best friends with you.

if not just assocaties.

[raw stone]

Ah.

I'm on Liked rn.

Then Trusted then whatever they... decide.

[proper barn]

Each one of them has a good and bad ending. i think if you get all 3 good endings maybe something happens? no idea.

[raw stone]

I'm gonna probably reset tbh. Listen... I do want to see all the convos, and whatever ending I get, I get. The reset's gonna happen anyway so what does it matter? Plus I'm going to reference Kimulacrum sometimes.

[graceful swan]

If you’re only on liked shouldn’t you have more convos?

[proper barn]

they do for the new protos.

[raw stone]

From the new Protos? Idk. It's a chat per day.

[proper barn]

just not the old ones.

[raw stone]

I didn't reset Nems

[graceful swan]

Oh

I think DE made it harder to rank up with the new ones

[proper barn]

no?

it's just conversation based.

pretty sure. if you pick a bad end the cons stop early.

[raw stone]

I do realize now that it's gonna be longer overall to get everyone together, especially with the convos over the chemistry... but that's what I chose.

[graceful swan]

Yeah but it’s not got gifting or dating making it harder as not anything other than convos to rank up with

[raw stone]

I do hope this means their event convos happen too. I want Amir's fables and frontiers chat again...

[heady quest]

Like the very first one, Fusion Moa Event, could be a cool dialogue or cutscene when first entering a Venus mission.
The gradivus dilemma could be mentioned by the lotus as a past war that happened on mars.
The hunt for Alad V can be a little cutscene when first entering Jupiter.
The Cicero crisis mentioned after that one archwing mission on earth, Tethra’s doom mention on entering ceres, etc etc etc
Can be done in a lot of ways

[raw stone]

Yeah but technically... hmn. Not every event has had a quest attached. Some are genuinely lost to time, like those. But Plague Star, Thermia Fractures, Fomorian and Razorback, and technically Ascension, are all still around.

[graceful swan]

They’re not lost if they’re listed on Archives and Wiki

Info exists if you bother to look

[heady quest]

We don’t need an actual quest on them, but I’d just like to see special dialogue for them. like to add some lore and context to what you are actually doing and what is going on in the world. Rn it just feels like you just rush through mission not know what you are actually doing and just going from quest to quest. I’d like to see small story bits in the missions we are doing

And yea they are in the archives and you can look them up but if you weren’t there then you’d have absolutely no idea they happened and what it caused for the worldbuilding

Could of at least changed dialogue of the acolytes after jade shadows

They should just hire me and I’ll add all of this stuff for free 😂

[hybrid silo]

I just remember the War within quest and the only thing i am confused about is Teshin and ordis betrayal. Note i have completed this quest years ago and i forgot some detail

[graceful swan]

Ordis didn't betray us that didn't actually happen
Teshin was forced to obey due to the Kuva

[hybrid silo]

Oh so the scene where ordis drop us off at the snowy mountain was a dream of sort?