lore-discussion

[gloomy cedar]

What caused the downfall then

[proper barn]

this

[lean garden]

they won the war, they just didnt get to enjoy winning thanks to us

[proper barn]

Do we have the night of naga drums codex segment?

[lean garden]

es stalker

[proper barn]

i know

have you scanned stalker?

if so look at his codex entry.

[gloomy cedar]

I have but too lazy to ready codex entries, gets me to engage with the community

[proper barn]

well that's what we know about the night of naga drums.

[gloomy cedar]

Make small friendships like this and that

[proper barn]

It was a big celebration by the orokin for the Tenno winning the war.

there where supposed to be 10 big naga drum hits.

on the 9th all the tenno and their warframes killed all the orokin in attendence.

which was all the LEADERSHIP.

[gloomy cedar]

So kinda like the red wedding on game of thrones

[proper barn]

sure.

[obtuse vine]

i never noticed tht dominus has human hand and legs

i always thought he was like the others lookin like metal puppets

[old dome]

what i wanna know is what tf is that on his back...

[obtuse vine]

he was a spinosaurus fan

[old dome]

im still waiting on whether octavia was the one who beat the 9th drum or not... the fact that this is mentioned in her quest by hunhow of all ppl is making me go hmmmm

like. iirc he never lied to us about anything at all... so why would he remind the tenno of the naga drums night during the quest of the previously only music-themed frame...??

why were we trying to find a specific tune that suda knew abt octavia...?

why was suda so obsessed w octavia, for that matter?

[proper barn]

Celphalon autism/j

[old dome]

i mean,,, same except im not autistic... i just love & get obsessed over a good mystery

[proper barn]

bestie

come on.

[old dome]

im not! afaik... i never tested for it so

[proper barn]

also that could be anything not just autism.

any neurodivergence.

or not

interests are normal.

[old dome]

BUT LIKE!!! it feels like im reaching w all of this but i may not be at the same time bc de's writers love indirectly telling us smth...

its just that. the hints??? are 8+ years old atp...

[proper barn]

the mire was like

2013

NOW i would say DE not mean 1999 when the mire description was made but when we started to have 1999 as a plot point they just took that and used it in some of the story.

[old dome]

so youre saying theres hope naga drum night is gonna be explored later on...?

or expanded on

[proper barn]

yes.

they also kinda did with Jade but i would like to see even more.

Hunhow was called teh Serverer of Worlds when we FIRST saw him but we didn't know that meant he blew up the solar rail to tau Origin System side.

[old dome]

...is that octavia??

[gloomy cedar]

Yeah

Helmet and everything

[old dome]

huh..........

[proper barn]

yes

[old dome]

so shes connected to the cephalons, just like how voruna was connected to the continuity temple...?

[proper barn]

eh just Suda. cuz this is Suda's comic. we have seen other warframes be guards for orokin sciencists and archimedians.

see Citrine see Titiania

Dante

Dagath was a bodyguard before and after her warframization.

Gara was like the companion/guard/lover of The Unum.

Hyldrin prime and her tenno was literally Ballas' Guard.

Voruna guarded the Continuity temple yeah.

Protea was A guard for Parvos. @old dome

so a lot of Frames where bodyguards.

for people.

lavos was Guarding the alchemist.

[proper barn]

Also ash's descritpion always said he was the patron saint of the school of assassins but we only got the like Lavarien kinda recently.

[charred patio]

https://tenor.com/view/rise-of-the-beasts-transformers-optimus-prime-smile-peter-cullen-gif-14963651402140897207

[normal mountain]

Calling it now
Eleanor had watched The Transformers as a kid

[humble sierra]

In the WF universe they'd probably be called Converters or something

[left oyster]

Warframe has comics?

[charred patio]

jesus christ
both of these are bad options

[obtuse vine]

yes

[humble sierra]

Second one doesn't bother her

[charred patio]

I love that velimir just turn into a brat whenever hes around minerva, and never stop pushing her buttons

[wary bridge]

I hate the options they give sometimes 😭

[glossy quarry]

So kinda a lore question but not really. I’m debating on what Frame to bring into New War to be a little thematic. Would that just be Umbra due to its ties to the whole situation?

[tall echo]

Doesn't matter

[drowsy saddle]

Pretty much, story quests are always easy in terms of raw level difficulty, plus with the exalted rework excal is incredibly strong.

There's also the fact for 80% of the quest you're not ||in a warframe|| buuut that's besides the point

[hybrid silo]

Jesus i just finished playing The Hex quest and Aoi death was gruesome. but eleanor and trinity death was kinda "freaky" 😉

[proper barn]

Lettie. You get another ending if you become friends with everyone.

[tall echo]

...tf

There is no emoji in this server that can accurately display the sheer disgust I experienced from reading that last bit

[hybrid silo]

This maybe

[old dome]

hmmm interesting interesting,, no wonder suda is obsessed w music as a cephalon then. its the last thing she heard before she got digitized... or probably as.

[old dome]

yeah you can read them on their site!!

all of them are prologues to a quest or character

[tall echo]

Music helps her remember

[steel creek]

alr so i got a question so like if im correct albrect entrati time travelled during the old war right?

[tall echo]

Yes

Based on evidence the old war was still going when he made loid destroy his time machine tanning bed thing

[raw void]

Are nyx and excalbiur related

[graceful swan]

Twins

[steel creek]

then how does albrect know of the drifter and operator?

[raw void]

is that canon or

[steel creek]

im pretty sure the drifter was not there during the old war cuz he was stuck in duviri

[tall echo]

He knows of operators

[graceful swan]

Arthur and Eleanor are canonically twins yeah

[tall echo]

The frames, no. The 1999 characters, yes

[raw void]

oh alr thanks

[midnight apex]

so

would it be possible to date proto saryn?

[steel creek]

yeah but he also knows about the drifter

[tall echo]

She's married

[midnight apex]

sad

[tall echo]

Nothing suggests that he knew about the drifter before they showed up in 1999

[midnight apex]

then, proto ember or proto wisp when

[tall echo]

Shallow

[raw void]

What and who is the murmur

[tall echo]

Bits of wally

[graceful swan]

Wally self harmer confirmed?

[analog veldt]

So can someone confirm for me Ballas turned the father (umbra) infected they told him to kill Issah, and my Tenno is actually the father, I don’t think I understand how lotus plays part in Ballas I know she is the m (don’t remember the name) girl Ballas was with in the past. Does she run away with him and switch sides (I just finished the umbra mission line “the sacrifice”

[graceful swan]

1 you aren’t the actual father

2 No Lotus isn’t Margulis

[analog veldt]

Oh

They made it seem like she was margulis or maybe I just understood wrong. Sorry if I sound a lil dumb lmao

[graceful swan]

She’s a mimic

[analog veldt]

Ahhhhhh

That makes sense

[quick wadi]

You aren't the father you're just reliving the memories of umbra before they get mutated into umbra

That's why you show up in the memories at the end to commentate on it

[analog veldt]

And umbra was only bad after u built him because he only lives one memory. Then at the tree u like knock him into reality basically? Which makes him “submit” to you

Or am I just talkin out my butt

[lean garden]

huh?

[quick wadi]

I wouldn't say he was ever "bad" he was basically just driven insane cause he kept reliving the memory of being forced to kill his son. Not sure if that was by design of Ballas or coincidental, doesn't really matter.

The operator doesn't really make them submit, like Ballas says in his monologue tenno take the pain away from warframes, that's why they can control them

[lean garden]

twas by design on ballas

[quick wadi]

Figured

Probably not in exactly the same way cause every frame is different, but the way the operator enters Umbra's mind and helps them through their trauma is basically what they do for every warframe to allow them to control them

[analog veldt]

Oh ok I appreciate the help and understanding 💙

[brazen nymph]

Who did the operator make a deal with on the zariman in new war? I ddint pay attention to class 👁️ 👄 👁️

[tall echo]

Wally

Rap. Tap. Tap.

[brazen nymph]

Rell?

[tall echo]

The Man. In. The Wall.

[brazen nymph]

???

[tall echo]

That's the name

Hence, "Wally"

[brazen nymph]

I have no idea who that is

[tall echo]

The thing rell was holding back

Until you release him. And wally

[silk atlas]

Replay Chains of Harrow

This is the one character you actually need to pay attention to.

[tall echo]

For more lore, keep playing the story and check out the fancy pictures that appear in necraloid's room on deimos later :)

There's a whole story in those pictures

Literally

[brazen nymph]

Nooooo. Ionwanna Chains of harrow boring as hell

[tall echo]

They're in order from left to right from where you enter the room btw

[silk atlas]

Then rewatch someone else play it. Point still stands

[brazen nymph]

he isn't mentioned there. only something about Rell

[woven coyote]

....

[quick wadi]

Man in the wall is basically the whole point of chains of harrow

Besides rell themselves

[lean garden]

Rell: "Rap. Tap. Tap."
Palladino: "Speak to us. We're listening. What is your name?"
Rell: "Mmm. R-r-r-ellllll."
Palladino: "Good, you remember. We want to help you, Rell. Tell us where you are."
Rell: "Mmm. Can't. He's listening."
Palladino: "Who? Rell, who is listening?"
Rell: "Rap. Tap. Tap. Rap. Tap. Tap."
I wonder who rell is talking about here

[woven coyote]

Also the man in the wall is a term that originally us players learned from rell

[lean garden]

Rell: "Rap. Tap. Tap. The man in the wall."
Palladino: "The man in the wall! That is what he called it. Hush... try to follow his voice!"

[woven coyote]

Tho albrecht did also use it in his logs later cant remember which, but chains came first

Think it was something like "that man trapped within the wall"

[silk atlas]

Pay attention better

[graceful swan]

Chains released first but Albrechts logs are probably older lore wise

[woven coyote]

Yup

[woven coyote]

My message above that one mentioned "as players"

[tacit hill]

can i ask something thats a spoiler for techrot encore here?

||Whats the deal with the Technocyte Coda? Are they like infested versions of On-Lyne, or derived from them, or something?||

[silk atlas]

Techrot copies of them the producers wanted so they can pump out music like a work mule

[grim hazel]

So did the story of Duviri originally have a good ending or was it one of those cautionary tales?

[tall echo]

Unknown

[proper barn]

We knew this before the update cuz of the PC where Aoi is Amir found out that the Coda are infested copys of the boyband that where originally made cuz the actual band wasn't controlable enough.

[proper barn]

all the coda lines are just answers to interview questions which is what they where calibrated for in the first place they just endlessly say interview answers. So they are litearlly just using resposnses they where programed to have.

[brittle siren]

damn Lizzie connect with Helminth mind but also not is insane

and she also connect with all other infested in the future too

[proper barn]

She is part of a warframe.

Not too wild.

[brittle siren]

But the part that she know us even she never meet the Drifter or OP before, yeah, I'd never knew that Infested is transcended through time

[proper barn]

Helmith is from our time

So it would know what it knows.

[sweet wadi]

So if I am understanding correctly, the infestation is omnipresent. It is simultaneously aware of itself in all points in time?

It knows what it will know, so to speak.

[stiff isle]

what the flark happened to the leverian

[sweet wadi]

Also, @brittle siren, I apologize for being rude the other day.

[sweet wadi]

You didn't donate enough

[stiff isle]

can i donate more to fix it

[sweet wadi]

Not you in particular. Narratively, he didn't get enough donations and had to take loans. It has no bearing on what you specifically did.

[stiff isle]

oh, can WE fix it

[silk atlas]

No lol

[stiff isle]

if everone donates

[stiff isle]

damn

[feral cape]

Not really the right use of omnipresent

Given the infestation is very much not everywhere spatially or temporally

[sweet wadi]

Temporally omniscient, then. It is aware of what it will know and 'talks' to itself in the future.

1999 and our 'modern' time are arbitrary, to it.

[feral cape]

Well it's not that either given temporarily omnipresent means all time and it doesn't exist at t=0.0000...1 and it probably won't be around when our sun explodes given it's stuck in sol unless someone let's it escape

But yea the hive mind can talk to itself past present or future

[stiff isle]

i think DE should make a quest where we repair it and we get the lore of every frame

[feral cape]

Its vexing

[sweet wadi]

I changed it to omniscient, which is 'all seeing' or 'all knowing'. I think that fits better?

[feral cape]

No omni fits it

[sweet wadi]

Through eternalism shenanigans, presumably, once it learns something in one moment, it has retroactively always known it.

[feral cape]

Given omnipotence means all powerful and I shoot it
Omniscient means all knowing and I doubt it knows everything
Omnipresent means it's in every possible location its definitely not

It can take to itself past present or future

And that's it

If they somehow existed at t=0.00...1 then maybe it's temporarily omnipresent

There's also the issue of warframes universe likely being deterministic meaning either the infestation wins or at some point there communication to the future cuts to black

[north ferry]

Huh?

Where does it indicate the techrot consciousness is independent of the flow of time?

[humble sierra]

New protoframe chats. ||Lizzie knows you. Lizzie is the Helminth (rather, shares a hivemind with it) and is aware of the gifts it gave you||

So it can somehow "talk" to itself between 1999 and the 'present'

[north ferry]

Gonna have to get to that chat myself and see if it's actually the case.

[humble sierra]

Someone else got this chat today

[eager oriole]

That is 100% On me for unspoilering that.

I am an idiot.

[stiff isle]

what did the orokin do to humans

[stiff isle]

yeah that was a cool bit of lore i got

[old dome]

what DIDNT they do

theyre the textbook definition of war crimes within & without wars.

[humble sierra]

If we had to boil it down to one word, "slavery" would probably be the one most aptly describing their motives

[old dome]

yup

speaking of humans,,, is it my lighting or does varzia, margulis/natah, & minerva have a tanner skin than everyone else??

[stiff isle]

did they kill all humans

[old dome]

enslaved them. also the Orokin ARE humans, they just genetically modified themselves to look like blue roman statues. the orokin (regular humans within the empire) were slaves, unless you were part of the high class society.

[stiff isle]

ah, but they didnt

Kill off goth women right

[old dome]

theres a distinction between Orokin (high class society humans) & orokin (regular humans)

[stiff isle]

like eleanor

[old dome]

(stares at dagath)

...yeah about that...

[stiff isle]

WHAT DID HE DO

[old dome]

high society couple had her as a bodyguard & all three were... a Thing—they basically used her as a toy. they gave her a horse as a gift & she cared about it enough to name it, which was a big No No for the Orokin. so the couple killed off the horse but accidentally also killed the rider off too... so they sent her corpse to ballas who turned her into a frame. the couple realized later on that they didnt want her anymore so they threw her at ballas to do whatever he wanted w her. the jade light melted her face but she survived & killed the couple... and started wandering the origin system as the headless horse(wo)man.

she met grandmother who had nothing to gift her except her own name: dagath. so the frame took the name and left grandmother alone without any punishments.

[stiff isle]

but they didnt eradicate them completely, like they still exist in universe today

[old dome]

eradicate... who?

[stiff isle]

also damn i forget how brutal this universe can be

[stiff isle]

the concept of goth

[old dome]

we dont really know.

you can headcanon it existing if you want

[stiff isle]

thank god, i was worried for a minute

do you think the drifter discovered anime when he went back and got addicted

[twin wigeon]

gundam looking mech skin when

[stiff isle]

Rhino x Evo 01 skin when

wait who would work better as eva 01, rhino or volt, cause volt has that horn

[twin wigeon]

actually we got excal, ash, nezha, yareli, nezha, koumei, and maybe hildryn

oh and hydroid, can't forget abt hydroid

[humble sierra]

Varzia, yes. Margulis/Natah are meant to be paler, and I think Minerva should have the same tone as Arthur

[humble sierra]

So there's a chat with Kaya (spoilers because you can't access it yet, but it's in the Kimulacrum website) where she and Amir ||get the Drifter hooked on 'Jinymon'||

[stiff isle]

is that pokemon but warframe

[humble sierra]

Yep

[stiff isle]

nice

[humble sierra]

She even gets you to choose a starter

[stiff isle]

grendel i chose you (uses the catapult augment)

[old dome]

huh... they all have tan skin tones on my tv.....

[old dome]

thats shinji's eva?? excal/umbra...

[stiff isle]

omg im so dumb

thats 100% the right choice

if we get a gauss protoframe they better be the most gremlin energy, pop culture refrencing, little guy ever

[quick wadi]

Probably reading too much into aesthetic choices but looking at how Velemir has some kinda cryo backpack, and Kaya's...atom...thing on her harness. Aesthetically it's great but does that mean some protoframes aren't as powerful and supplemental equipment to be as good

[stiff isle]

thats a good point, for all we know amir could be wearing heelys

or whatever those shoes are called

[quick wadi]

Amir's totally a heelys person

actually I think it's heelies

[humble sierra]

I think the Warframes don't have as many internal organs as the protos, so they've got more place for their "power sources", so the protos have things like the cryo backpack and the atom thing externally

[stiff isle]

hey wait a minute

if warframes used to be peopel then what are the systems, neuroptics and chassis

Can they feel pain

[humble sierra]

Good question lmao, the ones we make are usually copies of the original, but it's not clear what the mechanics of that are

[stiff isle]

can they feel the pain of beeing ripped apart and reconstructed

[quick wadi]

I think that's one of those things you shouldn't think too much about

[stiff isle]

well im thinking

and i aint gonna be able to sleep now

[karmic prism]

Although maybe not related to warframe. I'd suggest you play soma

Kinda deals with that thought process

[restive river]

They likely can feel pain yes

Pain is kinda important for combat

[normal mountain]

They probably feel pain, but I'm not fully convinced that it actually hurts for them

Like the sensation would still be there, but the actual pain would be gone or muted

[twin wigeon]

actually iirc, the frames we see in the leverian are real, converted, people but the ones we got are like copies, facimiles and such, recreations of the legends

primes are just perfected versions

[restive river]

It’s unclear for the leverian frames
Our copies though are perfect copies, Umbra kinda proves that

[twin wigeon]

umbra is... unique?

[restive river]

Okay?

He still shows us the process of a Warframe

[twin wigeon]

he's not a prime but he is perfect?

[restive river]

Wdym perfect???

Like idk where you’re getting that relating to their state of consciousness

[twin wigeon]

he's better is what im trying to say, he's stable

[normal mountain]

Or maybe it does...
I'd probably have to replay the end of Jade Shadows to get a better picture

[restive river]

He is not anymore stable than any other frame.

[twin wigeon]

fair enough

[restive river]

We know the copies we make still have the personalities of the frame when they were more conscious

Hence idle animations

[twin wigeon]

so maybe like the original ppl are from lore and stories, the stuff we have are close imitations or clones?

[restive river]

Like the foundry just makes a perfect copy, down to their memories
Sure Umbra is a special case but only due to his bolt and having that burning memory constantly active in his mind
He proves we make a 1:1 copy.

[restive river]

I’d say exact clones
And unknown if the ones in stories are the originals or tenno.

Heck iirc some mention them being “tenno”
So
Tenno controlled

[twin wigeon]

well its def not the foundry that makes them with memories i think the helminth has some part hence the cyst

[restive river]

No it’s def the foundry that makes the perfect copies :p

I mean also the fact they’re infested with the helminth strain yes

[twin wigeon]

copies yes but maybe just blank slates with the helminth filling them in and granting powers?

[restive river]

Or rather were

[twin wigeon]

hm

[restive river]

7grims asks: How come the Foundry can create live things like Spectres and Sentinels, but can't create kubrow?
While there are many similarities between sentient organic life and artificial intelligence, several distinguishing characteristics set mechanical and digital beings aside from organic ones. Organic life is composed of soft tissues and malleable sinew sustained by an inefficient plasma designed to protect the core being from external threats.

Organic components are difficult to construct and even more tedious to properly store for future use. The Foundry, while capable of replicating natural and synthetic materials such as fabric or metals, is not properly equipped for the growth of organic life. This also does not take into consideration the complications in growing 'living' subjects – a point of difficulty the Grineer have long tried to overcome.

Infested tissue is the only known exception to this parameter, as it can be easily grown and thrives in any environment.

Perhaps in a more ideal future where all life is composed of easily replicable materials, the Foundry can provide more utility. There is a lesson to be learned in the impressive reliability of artificial life.

https://www.orokinarchives.com/cordylon-12/

[twin wigeon]

are the warframe abilities bc of us, the operator, or is it like a infestation-granted power?

[restive river]

Warframes predate the tenno.

Their powers likely come from a mix of the infestation and being powered by the void

I mean
Meteors sounds more like it’s void powered than infested ngl

[twin wigeon]

xaku is weird tho

[restive river]

How

They’re just more void powered than other frames

Cause they, their composite nature, is born of the void to an extent

[fringe swan]

I found something that might be interesting, but it's in 1999

[restive river]

Yeah?

[fringe swan]

Anyone think they can translate this? I found an abandoned survivor bunker with this, dunno if it has some hidden easter eggs, hints, or if it's just random gibberish

[restive river]

They likely all have meanings since the hollvanian language was made to be deciphered

[modest hinge]

You guys think the corpo that cloned on-lyne will become a faction mirroring corpus?

[old dome]

its one of those things in the game that you can just. expand on using your own headcanons; if you want them to feel pain or not is up to your interpretation. i personally see the systems as an electric circuit.

[twin wigeon]

pretty sure its a minor detail but its a collab btwn HitStreak (i think thats the name) and the Government so no

[restive river]

I hope so
Though we know Scaldra was involved too with the cloning process
So
It might just be them and the boy’s record label

[restive river]

Scaldra was involved
It’s not known if it was the Hollvanian government

Scaldra is pretty clearly not from Hollvania

[proper barn]

Helminth also is what upkeeps thhem.

[proper barn]

wel because of the void and infestation.

so yes.

[dire mountain]

I KNEW she'd ||love pokemon||

[brittle siren]

so can we consider Lizzie is a kind of strain? Because it was mention in Temple profile and not only with Flare

[brittle siren]

wait
give me the website link now

[lean garden]

Lizzie is part of the helminth strain, as all warframes ah

[graceful swan]

Check DMs

[brittle siren]

yeah but like is she the extension of Helminth, since her name outright said in the codex

[lean garden]

well yea, that just solidifies the fact that she is part of the helminth

[brittle siren]

so the only Temple warframe exist rn is Flare right?

since if it otherwise, there would be a bunch of Lizzie in each Temple frame

[brittle siren]

I mean similar to Cyte 09 case where they was never existed until Albrecht made a protoframe out of them from a blueprint or sth

[proper barn]

Cyte-09 was the warframes like code name

And Albretch stole it.

[heady quest]

Yea they could of have distributed the blueprint for Temple and Cyte-09

[tall echo]

Cyte existed before quincy

[digital grail]

Technically after and before

[tall echo]

Before he was transformed

Always gotta spell out everything in this place...

[brittle siren]

what I mean is, in Old war Cyte never have been made, but Albrecht saw the bp and bring it back to 1999 and turn Quincy into Cyte

[digital grail]

I was joking

[tall echo]

Cyte very much existed, just wiped from records due to how iirc dangerous he was

[brittle siren]

where did you even read this

[graceful swan]

Orokin always wiping the evidence

[tall echo]

"All that remains is a batch name" or smth

[tall echo]

Should be the codex description

[digital grail]

You must have it so hard explaining warframe lore/j

[brittle siren]

nowhere said that he his dangerous
also yeah he did appear in Old War but missing

[digital grail]

https://tenor.com/view/ljin-gif-26148240

[tall echo]

I'm pulling from my vague memories of reading it once bc I didn't think I'd need to memorize it

[brittle siren]

still my question is, does Lizzie exist with Temple in Old War or she never existed until Albrecht turn Flare into Proto Temple

since Lizzie clearly not the name that the Orokin would name for a infested thingy

[tall echo]

Currently unknown

Albrecht knows how to make frames, maybe he made one just for flare

[digital grail]

Temple does seem very specific to flare

[brittle siren]

also funny that Albrecht has Protea file

like is it suppose to be a secret deal between Grannum and Ballas? Or Albrecht saw Protea/Prime then proceed to copy it himself since the "time tech" is his from the beginning anyway

[graceful swan]

He does?

[brittle siren]

yeah like every update DE keep dropping lore nuke

it small compare to the grand scheme of things but I love it so much

[heady quest]

it's like how qorvex was made. Most likely albrecht had some influence and met ballas a couple of time exchanging project views and stuff like scientists

[brittle siren]

But Qorvex could just be just Albrecht own project

Ballas is not the only person with warframe creation skills

[tall echo]

As far as we know, qorvex is all albrecht

[heady quest]

wouldn't albrecht have just gotten the information from ballas on how to make warframes?

i thought ballas was the sole inventor

[graceful swan]

I wonder if that means Albrecht was allowed access to knowledge on how to create Warframes

[brittle siren]

imagine when Flare ask to become a frame and Albrecht give them Octavia

that would be so funny

[brittle siren]

well he one of the high rank Orokin, he the "void father" after all

without him, 90% of warframe universe won't be the same

tbh I want to know Albrecht and Ballas interaction

[heady quest]

he still wasn't one of the seven though. yes he was an important scientist but doesn't mean he should know highly classified stuff

i would also like to see albrecht and ballas interacting but you know...

[brittle siren]

ofc, but again he and Ballas is scientist too, and even if he not allowed to know many thing, he is smart enough to figure it out

[graceful swan]

Knowledge of the creation of Warframes and their other half was reserved for the 7 according to the codex entry maybe Albrecht just used his brain for once

[heady quest]

wait but in albrecht notes it sounds like the helminth infusions were like totally available for use

[brittle siren]

what I mean here is, he has no "real" authority in Orokin society, but he very near to that

[brittle siren]

uh yes but like as of rn, only Ballas and Albrecht know how to use it

and Lavos after fuse with a lot of ppl since he can Prime himself

[heady quest]

maybe since ballas knew the that the tenno (void related stuff) could control warframe he gave the knowledge and infusions to albrecht?

[heady quest]

is there lavos prime lore?

[brittle siren]

uh idk, knowing Ballas I doubt it is

[brittle siren]

i just left the game, let me hop on wiki to see his codex

[heady quest]

just to see if he could create more powerful warframes or something

[graceful swan]

He primed himself is his only lore

[heady quest]

man this makes me wish more that they released a trailer. I would love to hear what ballas had to say 😭

[brittle siren]

the biggest middle finger in Ballas face, only after Jade who just also do that with her baby

[heady quest]

i imagine him just joining the vanguard like "hey there fellow primes"

[brittle siren]

Ballas would not know since Lavos escaped prison and disappeared for good

[graceful swan]

Wasn't Lavos the Warden, not the Prisoner

[brittle siren]

he fuse with prisoner

or made that Archimedean into snake and fuse into Lavos

[heady quest]

man watched his prisoner be a puddle, made snakes of the puddle and dipped

[graceful swan]

Stealing a prisoner

[brittle siren]

and the secret of alchemy

[brittle siren]

and kill all but 1 janitor

Lavos is really insane, his capability is almost infinite

[heady quest]

man what if they just added part 2 of those leverian stories

i need more of those stories they are too good

[brittle siren]

not until Chroma has real lore

or Garuda

[humble sierra]

Garuda needs it more

[brittle siren]

idk why she is even at Venus

[humble sierra]

Chroma got a whole quest

[heady quest]

a lot of frames need more

equinox

wukong

[brittle siren]

"real" lore not "one of the strongest" then proceed to be a credit slave (and arbi slave)

[heady quest]

forgot he even existed

[brittle siren]

equinox has lore
she (prime version) died to Stalker
and Loki (normal one) too

[proper barn]

Well Flare's band was named Temple and the whatever

befor they where a proto.

[heady quest]

ah damn forgot about that...

[brittle siren]

huh so Temple is new fresh frame?

[proper barn]

well chopped off their heads.

[proper barn]

we don't know.

[brittle siren]

that still sth than "Wisp can create mote"

at least wisp has trailer

[drowsy saddle]

Entrati probably traded some state secrets to balsac, since he doesn't really care about the Orokin v Sentient war and more focused on da wall

[brittle siren]

not the pallsack 😭

[drowsy saddle]

no ball ballas

[heady quest]

what we call fresh is relative. Albrecht started this loop while old war was happening no? so all his experiments were then so the protoframes were made then

[brittle siren]

well he do care if the war is ended or not, and his home was nuke with infested so ofc he would very care (I lied)

[proper barn]

But like why would flare's stage name be temple before they even knew about temple?

[digital grail]

Wukong has plenty lore......just not in warframe

[brittle siren]

like he literally almost in every content in any franchise

[drowsy saddle]

Entrati showed ballas Flare's discography and said "maek warframe lamo"

[brittle siren]

I mean if that happened, should Ballas know Albrecht travel to the past? Ballas is not that dumb

[humble sierra]

This is, from memory, the Warframes that have a semblance of Lore. Green is Leverian, purple is quest/big dumps of lore

[brittle siren]

The Kalymos Sequence is top secret even to the Entrati family

[drowsy saddle]

"Sekret Entrati Records do not steel"

[digital grail]

https://tenor.com/view/are-you-sure-about-that-gif-17735709754501735355

[humble sierra]

And i put that loosely

[drowsy saddle]

also no nut wonder ballas has too much ego to consider time travel

[brittle siren]

he did know Albrecht has time tech

[drowsy saddle]

right, protea

[brittle siren]

so time travel wouldn't be a stretch for Ballas to think of

[heady quest]

i wonder how do they make the blueprints? Is it actually crafted in the helminth and then injected into someone and that makes the frame or is it more that whatever personality or traits the injected person had with fresh helminth, was what made the distinct powers and form the warframe had and was then cloned afterwards into injections and robots?

[drowsy saddle]

"The Entrati have violated time and I have violated them"

-Known Sister Enjoyer Parvos Granum

[brittle siren]

uh it like Aya or sth similar

they store data in a "blueprint"

[proper barn]

okay for warframes our foundry is litearlly said to have unique properties when it comes to infested things.

[brittle siren]

and Foundry can just copy 100% the whole thing

[drowsy saddle]

I think Ballas formulates a serum to make a warfarme with the desired capabilities and functions then looked for the most suitable candidates

[brittle siren]

void magik - said no one

[heady quest]

cause if it is the latter, they albrecht could have just injected flare with fresh helminth, made the guitarist warframe and abilities and then albrecht just copied her and took the name Temple as homage

[drowsy saddle]

with the occasional surprise in the form of Mirage

[brittle siren]

well he did said he choose some good soldier and pick some random too (kidnapping)

[drowsy saddle]

mfr out here spining gachas to see what SSR he gets

[brittle siren]

and all of his first gen gone

[proper barn]

no

[drowsy saddle]

May your dupes be many, and your 5 stars few

[proper barn]

Kullervo still exists.

[brittle siren]

most (it was suppose to be a joke)

[proper barn]

yee

[brittle siren]

is he first gen though?

[proper barn]

yes

he sees the tenno return.

[brittle siren]

oh ok

[proper barn]

also it is said he sees the orokin kill all his first gen siblings.

[heady quest]

it very biological it seems. A lot of genetic study into the helminth was probably done to the point they can alter the genetic structure of the infestation so it made the desired warframe. And with all biological, every body has a different balans and so Mirage could alter the infestation and distored it

[drowsy saddle]

what if mirage just communicated with Helminth and said "wouldn't it be funny if we"

[proper barn]

probably more she manilupated Ballas. cuz you know it's ballas.

Look at Ballas look at this dude he doesn't think anyone can manipulate him so it made him vunerable.

his arrogance is his weakness always.

[heady quest]

mmh could be also. She tricked ballas and then he was like "ah so you are a little trickster are you..."

[digital grail]

https://tenor.com/view/we-do-a-little-trolling-cat-trolling-scarfired-gif-20255349

[proper barn]

i would reverse that and like have it be ballas going "This was my original idea I was in no way influnced oh she's now a full warframe that she wanted to be oh no"

lmao.

[tall echo]

You missed caliban, gara, nidus, qorvex, mirage, wisp, yareli, valkyr

[heady quest]

can we have yellow for small description lore?

[heady quest]

which are these guys honestly

their lore isn't big big

[tall echo]

Yareli has a quest, gara is gara

[heady quest]

oh wait yea

nvm them. like qorvex and caliban

[tall echo]

DE was real creative with some of the names...

[heady quest]

or like red for prime cinematic lore

[old dome]

qorvex was made as a nuclear bomb to protect the lab from whatever...

he was made by albrecht himself iirc

[heady quest]

yea so small description lore

do we exlude protoframe lore?

[tall echo]

Protos are less the frame and more the person so I'd say yes

[dire mountain]

That's not very in character for ballas

[heady quest]

i mean if it meant gaining new powerful void controlling warframes... i don't see why not

[tall echo]

Because he's too arrogant

[lusty badge]

ok i have another lore question

when albrecht went to 1999 to divert the murmurs attention from loid, why did he (albrecht) begin injecting a bunch of folks with partial doses of the warframe helminth infusions

[humble sierra]

Weapons

The Warframes are probably the greatest weapons to come from the Orokin

[lusty badge]

why didnt he just take a couple warframes from his time

[humble sierra]

And Albrecht also uses the Protoframes to make those giant Vessel things in the Sanctum

[lusty badge]

how...?

[humble sierra]

Takes their DNA or something?

[lusty badge]

huh

right

[humble sierra]

Idk man they didn't explain it I don't think

[digital grail]

No one to control them

Proto frames solve this

[lusty badge]

i mean he could like yoink a couple tenno

[graceful swan]

Because they were ill

[lusty badge]

albrecht does not care about the welfare of the citizens of hollvania

[digital grail]

Not really

[graceful swan]

Albrecht went to 1999 and destroyed his way there

[lusty badge]

then how did the drifter make their way there?

[graceful swan]

The Vessel

[lusty badge]

how exactly does the vessel connect to 1999 beyond being a giant biomechanical construct made partially of protoframe dna

[graceful swan]

Because Vessels were made using Grey Strain and Hex DNA

[drowsy saddle]

Albrecht watched pacific rim and decided the best way to fight wally was to build a giant EVA unit to 1v1 Wally

[lusty badge]

also, many more questions

• why did albrecht decide to try and detonate the hollvania reactor?
• if his plan worked then why are the murmur still trying to attack the santum anatomica?
• why did albrecht say "tau in sight" and then shoot the drifter at the end of the hex quest?

[brittle siren]

wait so we have 10 Vessel in total right?

[proper barn]

Yes

[brittle siren]

isnt the reactor was Scaldra doing?

[humble sierra]

1. He needed a drastic measure to get the chosen operator to side with the Hex and then learn "love", the best weapon against MITW
2. MITW's targeting the Operator now
3. refers to point A, but also Tau might be the next major area. Or it's just a saying, like "Victory is in sight"

[brittle siren]

and Albrecht let it happen

[proper barn]

1. He wasn't trying to it just was gonna. He just didn't wanna stop it I guess maybe? 2. His sequence stuff was to ultimately beat Wally or let us beat Wally. Until we actually beat Wally the murmur who are basically peices of Wally won't stop attacking. 3. We don't know. Probably not soon still.

[lusty badge]

if the scaldra were doing it, they were being ordered by rusalka, who was being puppetted by wally

so did albrecht or wally try to blow up the reactor?

[brittle siren]

idk, but imo I think it was Wally so the reactor can tears reality
Drifter was suppose to save the Hex and stop reactor too, which against what Wally wanted

[lusty badge]

right...?

hm

idk

[lusty badge]

ok cool i get it now

ty everyone :)

[proper barn]

Some of these are still guesses btw.

We aren't sure a about a lot of this it could be clarified to somehow.

[brittle siren]

still I dont thin Albrecht want it to happen
maybe he pretending that the Hex should died and reactor blow up, but in reality it was Wally's

like Wally even show us that the Hex will die, he expected it

but when we save them, Wally really pi**ed

[twin wigeon]

pretty sure the protoframes exist to fight for entrati to stop techrot and scaldra from getting too powerful as well as creating a link btwm the vessels and the protos bc they’re connected via a infested hive mind that the drifter can interface with thru transference

[feral cape]

As we learn from lizzie the infestations hive mind is cross temporal meaning it can talk to itself across time albretchs vessels allow us to piggy back off this and end up in the past

[static lintel]

Remember lizzie is the helminth

[drowsy saddle]

the more we learn about the infestation the more i realize they're basically decentralized network

[static lintel]

Kinda like autism in someway

[feral cape]

And?

[drowsy saddle]

i was thinking more along the lines of crypto

[feral cape]

Lizzie makes it pretty obvious all infestation is one

[drowsy saddle]

are we sure there's communication between different strains of infestation?

[feral cape]

Yea

[static lintel]

If helminth has a host doesn't that mean it could theoretically control and create nidus in 1999 as a way to use as host

Since nidus is amalgamation of infestation into 1 frame

[feral cape]

Helminth seemingly needs to be encouraged to grow in a certain way or it doesn't grow much

Also nidus is still just helminth

[static lintel]

Yea

I believe the devs aren't gonna make a protoframe for nidus since nidus itself is helminth

Unless it just gonna be venom and Eddie situation which is currently temple rn

[digital grail]

Hey wait is lizzie technically 1999 nidus (I don't know enough about lizzie or nidus so this is a question I have for some reason)

[static lintel]

Lizzie is the helminth

[brittle siren]

well kinda, she more independent from the OG Helminth since she have affection with Flare

[static lintel]

So basically interdimensional entity is inlove with flare

Sounds like a classic beauty and the beast

Moment

[brittle siren]

well "our" Helminth and Lizzie is different but share the same hivemind. It more like Natah able to hear her father voice and thought

[static lintel]

I wish our helminth could give us nice convo

[brittle siren]

I mean he did, he said he hate the "demon"

aka us

[static lintel]

Which is the operator

[brittle siren]

aka void child

[static lintel]

It's different we are from the story

Aka the duviri

[lean garden]

?

The Drifter isnt from Duviri

The Drifter made Duviri

[static lintel]

The void made the duviri

Though the drifters emotions

[lean garden]

The Zariman vessel, adrift for an unknown time within the Void, now acts as a containment field for unrealized possibilities.

One such possibility is an alternate version of the TENNO. This individual escaped into the Void on their own initiative, rather than being rescued and taken into the Origin System as the Tenno were. Within the Void they established a realm, ‘Duviri’, in which to live.

This individual, the DRIFTER, has now entered the Origin System.

Drifter isnt from Duviri

[twin wigeon]

drifter made duviri with the void being a medium

[lean garden]

Lizzie and the infestation see Drifter and the Operator both as the Tenno

[brittle siren]

btw while you are here, can OP age? Drifter dont have void power until New War so they can aging while in Duviri. Idk if OP can, but if Rell have to move his mind completely into Harrow to "survive" then they probably can?

[twin wigeon]

drifter is still from zariman ship but they spent a majority of their years in duviri

[lean garden]

(because yknow, they literally call drifter the Tenno too)

[static lintel]

They age in 10k years probably

[graceful swan]

They're still human

[static lintel]

With void powers

[twin wigeon]

i think that operator stopped aging ever since they got void powers

[graceful swan]

Once out of the pod, they started ageing again

[lean garden]

Lotus: "How could Rell have lived this long? Without the long dream?"

Palladino: "In a way, he didn't. He knew his mortality would undo his purpose, so he gave up his humanity, forever. He committed his soul to the undying vessel—"
yes

[brittle siren]

thank you

[twin wigeon]

maybe aging pauses when operator is in a warframe since they’re like incorporeal or smth

[brittle siren]

nah they pause aging when in cryo pod, like Loid

probably the same to Ballas but knowing him he could do sth else, much more inhumane

[twin wigeon]

so is the pod in our orbiter just a cryopod of sorts

[graceful swan]

They are never in the Warframe in the first place

[lean garden]

nah thats not really a pod, thats just the somatic chair

which the operator doesnt need

[brittle siren]

not really, time from the first ever quest to 1999 quest only past at most 5 years or less

[twin wigeon]

im interested bc im in need of a deep sleep

[brittle siren]

or transfer your mind into your favourite frame like Rell did

the downside is you can't use void power anymore, I think

[twin wigeon]

nty rell was going crazy

[brittle siren]

because of Wally

[twin wigeon]

don’t wanna start getting spooky

darn wallace

walter?

Andy (indi-ferrence)

[brittle siren]

if a god whispering inside your head for hundred of years, ofc you would go crazy. But Rell somehow able to resisted very good, until he didnt in the quest

[twin wigeon]

his donda probs helped until it was stolen

[tall echo]

Indy

[dire mountain]

Wallenstein

I can't believe Albrecht von Wallenstein was a real guy

[tall echo]

HUH

Oh wow that's hilarious

[charred patio]

well damn
we getting sassy up in here

[digital grail]

Match the sass

[lean garden]

first option, trust

[charred patio]

who did I shoot?
what did I do???

[drowsy saddle]

who do you think? the redhead everyone was gooning over when 1999 first announced

[charred patio]

I honestly dont remember shooting her XD

[silk atlas]

Because you didn't

[hybrid silo]

Do anyone think that quest post new war is getting more M rated? I feel like pre new war quest is more catered to teen while newer one is way more into adult

[graceful swan]

All quests are M rated

[hybrid silo]

I know but it feel like older quest isn't as shocking as newer one

[silk atlas]

Because DE was worse at making cinematics 10 years ago

[feral cape]

De also has a larger story team probably

[hybrid silo]

You're right ig but it hit me like a brick after i finish Jade shadow and The hex

[feral cape]

Or atleast a dedicated one instead of a general idea

[woven coyote]

They did start out with super powered child soldiers who had to kill their parents to survive controling meat puppets

So i wouldnt say the beginning of the story was that light

[graceful swan]

Even New War gave a warning about Mature themes

The whole game is about a child soldier committing War crimes as is

[gilded rose]

...I never thought of it like that and I somehow can't refute that. My only solace is knowing I use the drifter now

[raven urchin]

What do you guys theorize Riftguard may mean?

[rapid kindle]

wally is about to break through into our reality

[graceful swan]

Void Rift antivirus

[brazen nymph]

Who was Kalymos? I didn't understand that part well also is The Hex and 1999 about The Man in The Wall? Who created techrot virus?

[lean garden]

Kalymos is the cat

[lean garden]

Unknown who made the Techrot, only that Entrati made it spread a lil more with his hack cures

[brazen nymph]

Yeah but aren't the entrati orokin? how did they make it spread a lil more? oh wait nvm... I think I maybe get it (like through maybe the computers or some links to 1999 from Ablrecths lab right?)

[lean garden]

Albrecht Entrati is orokin yes. What albrecht did was he injected people that "cured" them from techrot symptoms, but it actually made them asymptomatic carriers

[bright temple]

just normal entrati things

[brazen nymph]

Does 1999 have something about The man in the wall?

[graceful swan]

Yes

[tawdry yoke]

so...how does Lizzie text us?

does she have a very limited control over flare?

or can her strings just act like tendrils and start typing

[digital grail]

I'd like to imagine her slamming her body against the keyboard

[tawdry yoke]

but she types...fairly...well

[digital grail]

Ik

[tawdry yoke]

improper capitalization but she's pretty good for an infested guitar

[digital grail]

She is infested so she could've just infested stuff

[tawdry yoke]

could she...infest Flare's KIM, and that's how she types?

[polar bobcat]

From context, she takes over Flare completely when she talks to us over KIM, so it's Flare under her control

[bright temple]

like this

[tawdry yoke]

I love this.

[tawdry yoke]

I suppose that explains Flare getting all sad and depressed online

[lean garden]

she can control flare yes

thats how she makes them eat weird things

[tawdry yoke]

He ate weird things?

They *

[terse star]

It says on their KIM profile that theyve eaten household furnature and items.

[lean garden]

Lizzie made Flare eat a pizza...

with its cardboard box

[tawdry yoke]

ah

she is trying

Low-key their relationship is like Eddie and Venom.

in the movies, at least. so silly

[sweet wadi]

Going to turn this into a meme format later.

[bright temple]

omg pls do

[sweet wadi]

Unrelated, is Viktor the ‘leader’ of Skaldra, at least in terms of being the figurehead and public face of the organization?

[dire mountain]

Yeah pretty much

I'm sure his recruitment rates are a lot lower than when rusalka was around though

He's really got 0 charisma

[sweet wadi]

Obviously he takes orders from whoever is bankrolling them, but in terms of chain of command, there’s no ‘General’ or Supreme Commander, as far as we know.

[tawdry yoke]

speaking of Scaldra, can you imagine what the trauma they'd get from dealing with Warframes?

[sweet wadi]

He has plenty of charisma, just no empathy. The man knows how to sell a personality, and he has an in readable ego and self confidence.

[tawdry yoke]

Like- okay, Grineer don't care, Corpus a little, Infestation don't care, corrupted don't care, etc. but the Scaldra?

As far as I know, they're still regular human beings on the job

[dire mountain]

Arguably all except the corrupted are kinda scared of us

[sweet wadi]

Writing a fic about a lone Scaldra grunt that’s aware of the loop. Grendel scares him the most, but Nyx/Eleanor are a close second.

[dire mountain]

The infested is afraid of the Void, the very source of our power

[tawdry yoke]

What about the Indifference?

[tawdry yoke]

Love to see it someday

[dire mountain]

We are its plaything at best

[sweet wadi]

Mildly disgusted/Amused

[dire mountain]

Its indifferent to everything except us and albrecht

[sweet wadi]

We are a freaky bug

[tawdry yoke]

I meant the Murmur-

[dire mountain]

Us because of our deal and albrecht because the finger

[sweet wadi]

I don’t think they are sapient, just extensions of the Indifference playing out the role of soldiers.

[dire mountain]

Same thing really theyre only fighting us because we are in the way of what their master wants

[tawdry yoke]

I see.

[dire mountain]

Narmer same thing as corrupted they are being mind controlled they don't care

Sentients fear us ofc we wield their very poison

[sweet wadi]

Corpus are probably the most terrified though. Outside of the dedicated security forces, a lot of them don’t even have formal combat training.

[tawdry yoke]

That's true. They are hesitant in close combat, judging by their slow movement.

[dire mountain]

Do you think the Höllvanian civilians are afraid of us

Not in like a terrified and running away sense

[tall echo]

Some probably

[tawdry yoke]

Unless they're in the mall

[dire mountain]

Just in a "this guy is super unnerving but they also have helped out a lot around here"

[sweet wadi]

Depends. The propaganda network probably has a lot of them believing we’re evil incarnate and directly responsible for the deaths of their loved ones.

[tall echo]

We look like the people protecting them but without a face and only appearing very rarely to trade with the others

[dire mountain]

I think our warframes might hit the uncanny valley

Especially if they're the ones used for the Hex

[sweet wadi]

Viktor makes a point of framing the Hex as part of the techrot, not a third party.

[tall echo]

How do scaldra dedicants see...

[dire mountain]

With faith

They are one with Sol and Sol is with them

[sweet wadi]

Like physically?

[tall echo]

...how. how else

What

[sweet wadi]

I thought there was another part of that coming. Like ‘how do they see our companions.’

Miss-read is all

[tall echo]

[sweet wadi]

Nevermind

Tiny thing I noticed, Viktor never uses pronouns when talking about Flare. Only ever their name.

My tinfoil hat theory is that early on he was intended to purposefully misgender them to make him more slimy, but the devs decided that would be a bit too real.

[tawdry yoke]

It's hurtful, but if they went ahead consequence free Viktor is totally gonna do that.

[sweet wadi]

I mean the subtext is already there with him raving about Flare’s ‘depravity’.

[mortal osprey]

• i think for meta reasons they wanted to avoid misgendering flare textually since people could point to it and go "SEE? THEY DON'T ACTUALLY USE THEY/THEM VIKTOR CALLED THEM A-" etc etc

[brazen nymph]

Guys I may have a theory on how the Orokin were created/appeared in the system if they didn't exist since the beginning of time. What if far into the future we discovered The Void. We sent people there on a journey and when they were in the void something corrupted their mind, gave them rlly big intelligence and shifted their DNA and gens (And they started to look blue with 1 long arm and immortality??). After they returned to earth after thousands of years they declared themselves gods maybe and started doing Orokin things

[onyx compass]

I could've sworn I heard viktor misgender flare but I may be misremembering

[silk atlas]

No one went into the Void for travel or whatever until Entrati tried his crazy experients. Them being blue and having a long arm are just body mods, and the immortality is related to their use of Continuity through Kuva.

[brazen nymph]

Guys why the tenno in The Hex/1999 going after Albrecht Entirati?

What did he do

[lean garden]

The Hex want to find entrati so he can turn them back, you want entrati because youre following the kalymos sequence which needed you to find entrati

[brazen nymph]

wdym turn them back???

what he do to them

[lean garden]

Turn them into protoframes

[brazen nymph]

aren't they already protoframes??

were they normal warframes or what

[silk atlas]

They weren't until Albrecht came in

[lean garden]

^

[silk atlas]

They were humans.

[brazen nymph]

they want to go back to being humans?

[lean garden]

Ideally

[brazen nymph]

Why? Who wouldn't want to be a protoframe. you still have ur humanity and ur rlly strong

[silk atlas]

Read the Hex comic. It's not a joyride

And also Albrecht is pretty damn sure he can't fully stop them from losing their mind

[lean garden]

Also the remaining humanity is a tenuous thing

[brazen nymph]

Where do I find that?

Im doing the hex rn, just found the man in the wall sitting in the place of entrati

[old dome]

the official wf site

[north ferry]

DE messes up the order they tell their stories. Play the quest through first.

[silk atlas]

Pretty sure the comic came before the quest

In both release and chronologically

[old dome]

yup

[brazen nymph]

Also wdym? Was Albrecht exeperimenting on them?

[old dome]

yip

yup*

[brazen nymph]

also if Entrati was orokin why is he human in the hex

alternate timeline effect or what?

[silk atlas]

The Orokin are all still "human"

[north ferry]

He looked like that before.

[silk atlas]

They're just body modding

[north ferry]

In Whispers in the Wall.

[silk atlas]

incorrect

[tall echo]

Dear void.

[strange turtle]

Not an alternate timeline

Just the past

Orokin are just normal humans with augments like skin colour and arm length changes

[north ferry]

The queens were also Orokin and also didn't look like that.

Iirc

[silk atlas]

The queens are Orokin yes

[strange turtle]

Albrecht was really injured after his trip to the Void so his are all gone

[strange turtle]

Those were Grineer bodies that they Continuity’d into

[north ferry]

Ah, good point

[manic rover]

can someone remind me again why Lettie and Eleanor were hunting the legacyte during the climax of the hex quest?

[lament loom]

alright so question is the drifter stuck in 1999 or do they just stay there because whatever

[lean garden]

Not stuck, stay by choice

[lilac aspen]

So Eleanor can take over as the leader to use the techrot to fight off Scaldra and keep them busy while the Hex try to stop the big explosion.

[lament loom]

i think grendel should’ve just ate the bomb, problem solved

[lilac aspen]

Alas
Drifter was yoinked by Wally

[lament loom]

when kaya found entrati did she just find him randomly or did she time travel

[slow phoenix]

i dont know but i am hereby declaring that kaya popped up in entrati's lab while he was chilling between experiments and called him 10 different slurs

[lean garden]

She heard about him and went finding and found him

[river tangle]

flare has no military background or...

[proper barn]

None.

[river tangle]

figures ._.

this surely implied that albrecht entrati does after random people for turning into protoframes, regardless of their background

military, civilian, who cares for him

[quick wadi]

Apparently infecting random people with whatever random strain of warframe infection just comes naturally to orokin

[old dome]

he was exiled from Orokin society but you can never take the Orokin out of him.

[proper barn]

Self exiled.

Like no one Made him do this or anything.

[graceful swan]

He stayed away from them he wasn't exiled

[slow phoenix]

you can take the orokin out of the orokin empire but you cant take the orokin empire out of the orokin

[old dome]

yea basically

[worldly pulsar]

hello! was wondering since im a newbie in the game, did techrot encore come with its own story expansion or just the protoframes? im very close to redoing the disaster (i need to up my rizz with the hex) and was curious. or does DE do story expansions once in a while?

[quick wadi]

There's story told via the chats with the protoframes but there's no new quests no

[scenic depot]

Any theories about where we're going next based off tennocon pack bc it might be like last year's

[humble sierra]

The cape is very Void-y

So super nondescript

I'm a bit disappointed that it's just the Syandana nvm thought we had an armor set last year

[rotund girder]

Am I the only one who notices that the Coda seem to be a commentary on Generative AI and those that exploit it?

[humble sierra]

Nope that's definitely one of their messages

[proper barn]

No. The coda themselves are copies of the band that where made cus they where more controlable. Originally made for just audio interviews and where gonna be actually used for physical appearances. It's why all their voice lines sound like interview question answers.

Cus they are literally using preprogrammed answers that they where given.

Like listen to their dialog and it's always something you could see in a tight 5 minute interview.

[sly ibex]

Except for Mother, Father, Grandmother, Daughter, and Son. They seem pretty done with that part of their past.

[sly ibex]

The ARG pretty much outright bashed on generative AI lol

[silk atlas]

Nonono, see, because we're using Techrot, it's organic, homegrown intelligence lol

[proper barn]

I Mean the Coda specifically where a man mad project.

[silk atlas]

Yup, but au natural, clearly

[limpid ice]

ok so i thought the drifter was adult kid, not anotehr version of him and we aren't the kid anymore per se, my head hurts lol

[silk atlas]

They're the same person, Wally's deal made two separate versions where one is saved (Operator) and the other is still trapped in the Zariman (Drifter). Pretty shrimple.

[limpid ice]

ok just did the hex finale. whats with the statue at the end? was that us signalling to albriecht that we succeded?

[silk atlas]

Loid, but yes

[limpid ice]

got ya thanks

[cinder locust]

<@&778745217037238293>

[brittle siren]

what happened?

[cinder locust]

Spam link

[brittle siren]

I thought link usually automatically delete beside some warframe related website

[cinder locust]

Nope, gotta ping mods so they can deal with it

[marble pewter]

Just had a thought, if Drifter/Operator ends up in Tau, we might meet a Sentient faction

[glacial bough]

That would be a certainty. Likely to be hostile

[marble pewter]

Hmm only hostile if they think we will harm Tau..possibly would have to gain their trust like all the previous factions

[dire mountain]

Idk about likely to be hostile

None of the Sentients in the origin system have heard from tau in ages

They'd be defensive when we show up sure but I'm unsure about outright hostile

[glacial bough]

I mean, that was kind of the point as well with them taking down the Solar Rail

[dire mountain]

They do seem they just want to mind their own business

[glacial bough]

There isn't really a way for them to have communication with Tau as is

[marble pewter]

Well hostile or not, I bet the Sentient places in Tau would look epic, I’m already looking forward to it

Oh I wonder if this means there’ll be another star chart…seems like a lot of work for DE tho tbh

[proper barn]

Okay the current Sentients are more than 1000 years removed from the Conflict BUT ALSO we only FOUGHT a single major sentient and his kids.

That's IT not the whole race or anything from the old war until now we have only ever fought Hunhow or his fragments or his kids and THAT'S IT.

I can't even imagine luke what a actual whole system that is multiple of Sentients pike hunhow and they aren't like set in their ways or anything and they've probably had a great time.

Cuz every counter invasion we did people just immediately died. Just immediately owned. Where as their single invasion force was at the door they where in our system unimpeded at the high of the old war. Hunhow was already there just at the door step. Launching offensives from inside the origin system.

Like They could look and act so differently it's been over 1000 years so they could have advanced so much. Like the new war is us dealing with a weakned invasion force from 1000 years ago that never left. it could be so cool if we ever go to tau. @marble pewter We could even see like Battlefields in tau from the old war invasions that could be cool.

[marble pewter]

Hmm yea their looks and personality would definitely be different. Also time might run differently in Tau considering that it’s another solar system basically

[proper barn]

yeah they where cut off to us during the old war.

by hunhow.

[feral cape]

Thats not how it works

[marble pewter]

Battlefields in Tau..I never considered that, it’ll most likely be there

[feral cape]

They'd need to be under insanely high gravity for that to occur

[marble pewter]

Oh? Then how?

[proper barn]

I don't think time would i just think sentients are so advance they might change a lot.

ALSO we only ever fought sentients that are wounded by the void.

[marble pewter]

That’s true, they brought a lot of knowledge with them

[glacial bough]

None of the normal workings of reality would change just because it's another solar system

[feral cape]

Theyd need to essentially be in a black hole for time dilation to be relevant

[proper barn]

the Old war was against 1 main sentient and his underlings/kids that was forever scarred by the void.

like the one counter invasion we hear about everyone immedialy gets killed.

[humble sierra]

I'd like a Sentient that looks identical to a human but with a porcelain looking face, kinda like the Duviri citizens

[proper barn]

like frame 1 they all die.

it's in mag prime's codex btw.

[marble pewter]

Hmm so you’re saying that whenever we get there, it would be the same year that we’re in? (Excluding 1999 ofc)

[feral cape]

Yea

[glacial bough]

There's no reason it wouldn't be

[feral cape]

To put this in perspective terms according to this source I'm looking at under Einsteins theory of relatively the gravitonal time dilation effect has made the core of the earth 2.5 years younger than it's surface

Earth is billions of years old tau might be like less than a second ahead of us assuming greater gravity

[marble pewter]

Hmm something to think about, I never considered that so thanks

[feral cape]

For the effects of gravitonal time dilation to happen on a noticeable you'd need to be in a black hole

[gilded rose]

So... With the lore of this story and all... Can it essentially be summed up as "Robotic Bounty hunters vs God"?

[proper barn]

not robots.

[gilded rose]

...what exactly are Warframes again? They're some weird... Biological void thing

[proper barn]

have you played

the sacrifice?

[gilded rose]

I've beaten the new war. I just can't remember it cause I was more concerned about the gameplay? I didn't actually start looking at the lore till half way through New War cause it actually seemed really cool

[proper barn]

okay

so umbra? you remember the umbra scene right?

[gilded rose]

I had thought originally that the lore was a bunch of missions sowed together with a vague idea...

[gilded rose]

I have em, yeah. He's partially human under some form of torture?

[proper barn]

okay so

Umbra is specially cuz he kept his memories and he was kept in a moon prison for a 1000 years.

[gilded rose]

Mhm...

[humble sierra]

Warframes are humans that go through a specific, controlled exposure of Infestation, that warps them

[proper barn]

like until we take out the moon from the void he's just in there.

[gilded rose]

That's... Terrifying

[proper barn]

anyway all warframes the original verisons where changed the way umbra was changed.

it's why we have helminth upkeep them.

cuz they are infested people meat suits with metal as their outer layer.

[gilded rose]

I remember him! I couldn't understand why he was a "necessary evil" and how he could "maintain them"

Dang. I wish I paid attention sooner

[proper barn]

also it's why you can

feed warframes to helminth.

[gilded rose]

Wait... What

[proper barn]

do you not have rank 3 in diemos?

have you not gotten the helminth upgrade segment?

[gilded rose]

I don't know.

[gilded rose]

Yeah

[proper barn]

yeah as in you haven't?

[gilded rose]

I think. But I ain't built it yet

[proper barn]

oh okay build it.

it lets you do funny stuff.

[gilded rose]

What does feeding the helminth do?

[proper barn]

feed it normal warframes and you get a specific ability to put on other frames.

like Eclipse.

[gilded rose]

...so what I am hearing is that I can make use of the "filler" frames

[proper barn]

I mean

also the good ones. you can't feed it primes.

[humble sierra]

Yeah for example you feed Helminth Grendel, you get Nourish

[gilded rose]

I don't hunt for primes tbh.

[proper barn]

norish good

[humble sierra]

You lose that specific Grendel but nothing stops you from getting another or the Prime

[proper barn]

condem from harrow good.

[gilded rose]

Is it random or is it consistent? And how do you swap the abilities?

[humble sierra]

And you can infinitely put the ability onto your other Warframes, there's no cost besides materials

[proper barn]

Oh it also gives some of it's own abilties. Empower is good for some frames. cast it before you cast another ability it gets more strenght.

[proper barn]

you only have to do it once for each frame and it's a specific ability from each frame. you just swap out a ability for the ability you wanna add. the only restrictions are only 1 ability can replace something you can't have 4 hemlinth abilities on a frame and you can't have 2 damage boosting abilties on a frame.

Ask me any frame and i can tell you right know what ability they let you put on other frames when you subsume them.

[gilded rose]

Ah. To prevent some chimera op frame

[proper barn]

yes.

[gilded rose]

Hm... Loki

[proper barn]

oh you do have to feed your helminth resources. to do these actions just look at the amount you need for each and don't feed it to them when it has a red arrow.

[proper barn]

decoy.

[gilded rose]

That sucks. Kind of wish it was his invisibility or swap

Those are more useful

What about Komei?

[proper barn]

oh some people might say it's wrong but i think the komie subsume is good for the warframe. its Omamori.

[gilded rose]

That's the uhm... Talisman ability right?

The one with protective charms?

[proper barn]

you don't gain the invun though it does block and heal still. some abilites are weakned cuz they would kinda be OP and some mechanics just wouldn't work.

oh one of the generic abilties that gets a lot of play actually is just "on your next hack auto succed"

[gilded rose]

That's fair. But it's nonetheless a very helpful ability. One that's helped me more than once, so I'm actually happy to use that one

[humble sierra]

Perfect for Ivara

[proper barn]

yeah.

empower for me is really good when you don't have other abilites yet.

like Empower on Barruk for more of his 3 is really good.

[brittle siren]

So between Kuva Liches, Sister of Parvos and Technocyte Coda, which group is the most superior compare to the rest

[proper barn]

gameplay wise?

[gilded rose]

What about mirage? Cause I'm hoping it's her dazzling fourth ability. It clears whole rooms

[proper barn]

MIRAGES is actuaLLY REALLY GOOD it's used on a lot of frames now. it's eclispe.

[brittle siren]

both pls, I was askin lore only but want to hear your view in gameplay too

[gilded rose]

Which one was that?

[proper barn]

the DR or damage buff.

that is now just a toggle.

75% DR is just good.

[proper barn]

They are probably all about the same powerlevel Coda is like miles above the others gameplay wise though.

[gilded rose]

Oh! Yeah, I can definitely see how that's helpful. I played mirage for a while and she was amazing for crowd control

[humble sierra]

Gameplay wise, Coda is a refined version of the other two. Very, very fast, you get to choose your weapons, and guaranteed cosmetics whether or not you vanquish them or convert them

[proper barn]

it's the DR one. oh Nullstar is also a subsume (nova)

[brittle siren]

what about their lore power?

[proper barn]

i still think tehy are about the same.

well Kuva liches and Sisters.

Coda are werid cuz they are either the weakest or strongest.

[gilded rose]

That's really good! I liked that ability in particular

[humble sierra]

Probably weaker than the other two just because of how comparatively easier they are to defeat. They slumber for however many centuries it takes from 1999 to the Origin timeline, and you can basically win a 1v5.

[brittle siren]

Coda has numbers, Sister/Kuva usually go solo

[proper barn]

cuz either you can view them as a ancient strain of infested that surived a 1000 years OR a early verison of the infested that still has weaknesses.

[brittle siren]

Funny that the Babau is stronger than the suppose superior version of them is Coda

[proper barn]

btw

there are armor strips in helminth.

[gilded rose]

?

[proper barn]

pillage

[brittle siren]

ah yea

[proper barn]

terrify

tharros strike.

oh jades' eyes.

[gilded rose]

So the helminth is a lot more useful than I thought...

I appreciate the history lesson AND gameplay lesson. I think you are a big game changer

[brittle siren]

but both Terrify and Pillage can't strip Acolyte

other can I think

[proper barn]

we haven't even gotten to the like other half. of archon shards. anyway that first part of helminth was added in the diemos update. also you can get a second helminth upgrade at son that has like a "oh there are 3 warframes that you can give random buffs to for a week" "if you do 10 of these in a row you can override one of these to any warframe you want"

[brittle siren]

also we never see void fuse with Infested nor Sentient

[proper barn]

well

[gilded rose]

...that's a lot

[proper barn]

warframes are kinda void and infested.

also caliban.

[brittle siren]

I forgot Torid and some infested weapon that have Incarnon

[gilded rose]

I couldn't figure out what the helminth was for. I'm mostly self taught and I tend to miss things unless they're in a singular storyline

[brittle siren]

which fuse with void

[brittle siren]

he is 1 of the main strain of the Infested, create by Ballas to create warframe and as caretaker for warframe

[gilded rose]

He's been odd to me. I have a friend who played him constantly and after New War, every time he summoned the sentients... It was like PTSD

[proper barn]

if you have the invigoration segment from Son in diemos you get these random warframes with random buffs that last a week. i just explained it but you know.

[gilded rose]

Interesting!

[proper barn]

Look at that invigoration it's so nice.

[gilded rose]

Holy... That's insane

[brittle siren]

the other Strain we know is Grey which infected the whole Deimos, The "Alad V strain that I don't remember the name", Techrot strain and normal strain

[proper barn]

also invigorations level up the helminth faster. all the leveling up does is give more subsume slots and like more like base helminth abilties.

you level up the helminth by feedin it resources and frames and invigorations.

[gilded rose]

I always thought the techrot just looked like infested

[proper barn]

anyway go farm diemso to get the invig segment and install the normal helminth segment.

[proper barn]

they are but older.

[gilded rose]

So... I use it to be stronger, which makes it stronger, and therefore makes me stronger

[brittle siren]

well they are the earliest version of Infested we know

[proper barn]

primal infestion.

[gilded rose]

Hence the weird young queens

[proper barn]

whatr?

the queens are twins.

[brittle siren]

I heard that they existed even before the Techrot time

[proper barn]

what?

[brittle siren]

I mean the infested

[proper barn]

the techrot and infestaion are the same.

[brittle siren]

we dont know if they have much older version of it

[proper barn]

just the techrot is the old one. it probably did exist even before then.

[brittle siren]

yep that what I meant

[gilded rose]

When I did the beginning of the Hex and I was playing as the Protoframe version of Nyx, they referred to the basic mind of the Infested queen as like... Basic Queen or something

[brittle siren]

ah you mean the Hivemind

[proper barn]

OH YEAH

[gilded rose]

Yeah, but they didn't call it that... Unless I'm mistaken. Probably am

[proper barn]

the like legacyte are the beingings of a hivemind.

[gilded rose]

Mhm

[brittle siren]

yeah until now we dont actually know if there even a "Infested Queen" even in the present

[gilded rose]

They also referred to Nyx as "Queen"

[proper barn]

WAIT YOU PLAYED whispers DO YOU EVEN KNOW WHAT ARCHONS SHARDS ARE?

[gilded rose]

No?

[proper barn]

have you been getting them and just being confused?

[brittle siren]

but Helminth is kinda confirmed to have his own ecosystem of hivemind

[glacial bough]

There wouldn't be, there's a full and proper hivemind

[proper barn]

have you ever done a archon hunt?

[gilded rose]

I don't know? I've been playing the hex missions...

[brittle siren]

Helminth is a hivemind since Lizzie connected to him even to the future

[gilded rose]

No