lore-discussion

[restive river]

Yeah that

He crashed into Duviri, island formed around him

Technically the first Warframe Drifter encounters is the three starters tho

[tall echo]

I wonder if teshin's cave also did that

[north jolt]

Aww man I missed something!

[dire mountain]

Its corpus themed fs

Arguably it depends when kullervo landed in duviri. I don't think there's any information that really gives us a timeline as to when it happened either? But it would depend if teshin was before kullervo I'd think

[old dome]

....i cant tell if thats a canon fact or smth you made up (abt umbra)

[woven coyote]

If helminth can be suspiciously good at arcade games, why couldnt umbra be good at monopoly

[old dome]

...UMBRA LORE? IN 2025??? /POS

pls dont get my hopes up

[woven coyote]

He did get called out for sneaking around the orbiter while ordis patrols

In jade shadows

[old dome]

true,, i love that little crumb bc its so silly when you think about it

so its canon canon that umbra is good at monopo—OH WAIT YALL MEANT KOMI??

[normal mountain]

Probably because Parvos bought the Monopoly rights, and hasn't distributed the game since

Besides, we already know Umbra is a beast at Komi, what more do we need

also apparently plays a mean shawzin

[charred patio]

perhaps

maybe drifter bring back some board game

[tall echo]

No and no

[old dome]

the concept of this old man learning monopoly is so funny but endearing at the same time bc. yeah he'd be a menace bc of how strategic he seems (when you play komi as him in the sacrifice) but he'd hate the mere concept of taking that much money & housing from someone... even if its a board game.

so he'd go easy on operator/drifter... entirely bc he'd find the idea of capitalism dishonorable.

(this is all a headcanon im just. i love this old man. i need more lore crumbs of his personality & morality.)

[high steeple]

How I get tenet weapon my all quest are completed.

[lean garden]

you need to go the granum void, do you know how to do that?

[wide niche]

Can someone explain the events leading to the new war I'm beyond confused

[lean garden]

could you ask specifically/give us your understanding of the timeline of events

[wide niche]

I understand basically nothing

[lean garden]

where are we going to start from?

[wide niche]

We somehow got the operator then some dude started killing grineer in chains

[wide niche]

From like the start

[lean garden]

ok so, do you recall the biggest takeaway of the Natah (quest)

[wide niche]

I remember the quest but forgot what I did

[lean garden]

ok so in that quest, what did we learn about the Lotus?

[wide niche]

I remember the stalker?

[lean garden]

eh, wrong quest, youre thinking of The Second Dream, we'll get there

[wide niche]

She supposedly destroyed the moon or lua to hid the operator

[lean garden]

that is also in The Second Dream, albeit slightly wrong.

The takeaway of the Natah quest is that Lotus is a sentient who was called Natah

daughter of this big sentient called hunhow

[wide niche]

Oh she's his daughter?

[lean garden]

in The Second Dream, hunhow manages to enlist the help of the stalker, and baits Lotus into connecting to Hunhow and reveal the location of the reservior, a secret location connected to the secret power of the tenno

that secret power is reveal to be on the moon, lua, which was figured to be destroyed during the Old War, but in reality was hidden in the void so the sentients couldnt attack it (again)

and that secret power? The truth of the tenno, a child like any other, but yet changed by the void

[wide niche]

Okay hold on

[lean garden]

in the reservoir contains somatic transference pods filled with tenno connecting to their warframe proxies

[wide niche]

If she hid it how are the orokin there?

[sage comet]

Orokins are from the void no?

[lean garden]

nope

[lean garden]

wdym how are the orokin there

[wide niche]

They are grineer and corpus aren't they?

[sage comet]

Pretty sure it was the Orokin who constructed the whole thing in Lua

[lean garden]

homie, your actions in the second dream brought the moon back into real space

thats why all these clowns can go there now

[wide niche]

Ohh

[lean garden]

but no grineer and corpus are not orokin

[sage comet]

Grinner and corpuses are separate factions

[lean garden]

you might wanna change your name a smidge

its we end as we began

not begin

[sage comet]

good to know

[wide niche]

Alright so back to natah we learnt about lua which will lead to the second dream?

[lean garden]

ok so back to this, as stalker raids the reservoir, you come across a somatic pod, your somatic pod. You find you the tenno operator, and as your body slides out the pod your warframe disconnects

[lean garden]

no, you learn about natah in natah, and then about lua in the second dream

[wide niche]

Kk

[wide niche]

Yea I noticed that we stopped if the operator wasn't touching us

[lean garden]

and you reconnect to your warframe via direct touch, and you manage to escape. Before all this happened, you had to bring lua out of the void, because stalker tried to collapse the pocket of void lua was hidden in

and then badabing badaboom, you have your operator in a somatic chair in your sleep, now awake

and then we get the war within, where we finally meet the grineer queens, a pair of orokin twins who have kept alive by the process of continuity, the process of transferening your consciousness to another body, used on continually deteriorating grineer bodies

the elder queen figured out a great solution to the grineer body solution: use yours

and so while the grineer queens are attempting to drill into your body using this substance called lua, you go on this internal mind journey as you regain powers sealed away by margulis, the archimedean who took care of the tenno when they returned in the Zariman colony ship

you get your big powers back, and you defeat the grineer queens

(if you notice a lack of mention of teshin in Natah and War Within, just know that he was there, he was important for instigating certain events, but I'm speedrunning here)

and then we get to chains of harrow

[sage comet]

Harrow being the jailer of the indifference?

[lean garden]

where this syndicate Red Veil, calls for your help as things get spooky

Crew going mad, shadows and blood on the walls, you learn of Rell, a tenno like you, but never being entered into the Dream as you were, awake for all this time. You learn that he transfered his essence into the warframe harrow and was the bulwark agains who Rell called The Man in the Wall (Wally for short, fan given)

Rell is at the end of his rope, essentially possessed by wally, and you break his Harrow vessel, setting Rell free

but the consequence is that now you and every other tenno have to be that bulwark against Wally

[sage comet]

to be precise, you take the task of Rell and deal with what he had to

[lean garden]

the end of War Within features a moment where briefly you are possessed by Wally as he utters some funky words. At the end of Chains of Harrow, you will return to the orbitor to face a clone of yourself from Wally

and then we move to the Sacrifice

[wide niche]

The hey kiddo thing right?

[lean garden]

yes

[wide niche]

Alright

Makes sense now

[lean garden]

actually right before that

before The Sacrifice, we get Apostasy Prologue

where we sneak around in a funky astral projection

and watch as Ballas, one of the Seven, finds Lotus, and steals her away

now we go to The Sacrifice

having mommy issues, you get a vision of a warframe who got blown up in a courtyard on earth

fighting ballas

you go to the courtyard, and you find the scraps

you decide to go stupid and try to remake the warframe, but you need more data, so you raid some vaults on lua and find the vitruvian

connecting the vitruvian to ordis gives you enough information to rebuild umbra

but surprise surprise, umbra has memories and is autonomous! Shocker!

now you go on an adventure chasing down umbra and seeing his memories everytime you connect

and you go through more entries with the vitruvian, and you learn how warframes are made, by using people. This is the sacrifice. (Mind you our frames now are ethically 3D printed so dont worry)

at the end of the quest, umbra and you confront ballas again, who still has an entourage of sentients with him, just like when umbra first confronted him

umbra fails to stab ballas again, but with your help, you shank the bugger

and as you ask where the lotus is, she returns but now in an much older form: Natah

and she takes ballas and zips off

now we get the Prelude to New War

which are all pretty much slightly interactable cutscenes

through them you learn of erra and his partnership with ballas

and how they use Natah to recall the Sentient fleet hiding all around Origin to restart the war

then we get operation scarlet spear and orphix venom, where we fight off the ressurgent sentient forces

meanwhile Alad V the dumbahh partners with the sentients to make the Amalgam programme, which we curb stomp, along side the Sentient unit sent to ensure alad holds up his end of the bargain, the ropalolyst

[sage comet]

Operation scarlet spear was a limited time event, orphix venom is the Railjack mission

I think the man left

[wide niche]

I'm here

[lean garden]

orphix venom was an event that became a RJ mission node

typically operation missions either use existing mission nodes, or introduce new ones

scarlet spear didnt because that was a technical nightmare for DE

[lean garden]

yea thats pretty much the lead up to TNW

[sage comet]

after The New War I am pretty sure we focus more on the indifference, the Zariman, the Scientist who learned of the void

but mainly on the Indifference

[wide niche]

I'm trying to re read it and rj is part of the lore?

[lean garden]

yea we repair an orokin era ship that isnt reliant on the solar rails to jump around

[sage comet]

if you haven't done the new war yet, get that Railjack and Necramechs

[wide niche]

I did get the railjack

[wide niche]

But you lost me after this

[sage comet]

its mainly fighting off the sentients

think of it as, delaying the growth of the sentients

[lean garden]

the sentence is as it says, you fight resurrgent sentient forces as they begin to group up and do minor skirmishes here and there

and "minor" is an understatement

since they make landfall on earth at the very least

[wide niche]

I got it pretty sure ty

[lean garden]

yeap any questions?

[wide niche]

Yea wtb deimos?

[lean garden]

right yes, deimos is on the path

ok so deimos is a funky place, mars' thoroughly infested moon

you learn about the heart of deimos, which is a device that baths the Origin system in a void "halo" allowing tech that relies on the Void to be powered to function

this tech includes solar rails, and your warframes

[sage comet]

also where a superior version of the infested reside in

and the place where the Entrati family is

[restive river]

The Gray Strain
Aka BIG infested

The Texas Strain

[wide niche]

Alright thanks

[charred patio]

alright, calm down there, dom toretto

you have a ducati, not a dodge charger XD

[stray herald]

They right tho

[charred patio]

https://tenor.com/view/cheers-dominic-toretto-vin-diesel-fast-x-cracking-open-a-cold-one-gif-3885648538926431575

[hollow crest]

Man, I'd like it if DE did something about the brain of Deimos tho

[strange turtle]

I’ve been wondering about the Lungs of Deimos for a while myself

[graceful swan]

I've been wondering about the limbs of Deimos personally

[graceful swan]

Actually here me out
Heart is Deimos
Mars has the Brain
And Phobos has the lungs

[north jolt]

https://warframe.fandom.com/wiki/Cephalon_Samodeus Guys! I found the person canonically responsible for making your rivens suck

[graceful swan]

You just found his name

[north jolt]

Well re-found it cause I keep forgetting he is technincally an actual cephalon despite literally never saying anything

[graceful swan]

“You are either extremely lucky or a thieving wench. You probably don't even appreciate what you have now. My life. My soul. My art. You will need to prove yourself before I reveal the beauty within this work.”

CEPHALON SAMODEUS, TALKING ABOUT RIVEN MODS IN HIS TEASER SITE

[north jolt]

You bring that up as like most people even know he has a teaser site

[silk atlas]

Yeah because he's not important

[north jolt]

Which is sad tbh

[silk atlas]

He doesn't change anything for the lore, you just learn about him to... only know he exists because he doesn't change anything about the game's lore atp

[graceful swan]

He's as important as Rivens which is not at all important

[north jolt]

Overlooks one of the most influential mechanics in the game

0 in game dialogue, 0 lore, most people probably don't even realize he's suppose to be an actual character unless they look him up

[tall echo]

Well he also makes the regular mods

[graceful swan]

That's not confirmed though as his lore was scrapped after not being finished in time

[north jolt]

TBF least rivens are relevant to the game especially high level content. Can't say the same for Conclave and the cephalons there, even though they at least have actual dialogue

[silk atlas]

Nah if you know what you're doing you don't even bother touching Rivens.

[graceful swan]

I just use the veiled rivens for plat

[tall echo]

Ah so that's why I use rivens to get funny stats like my lex prime's 200% crit chance

[north jolt]

I mean true, I don't use or touch most of the rivens I personally own, but objectively speaking rivens are kind of a big deal

[graceful swan]

I sell off his Cephalon Scraps

[tall echo]

Ha

[north jolt]

A LOT of people who play the game really, really take rivens seriously

[silk atlas]

The only big thing about Rivens are the price tags, the actual stat increases are not that impressive

[tall echo]

...I definitely 100% canonically stole albrecht's lex prime

[north jolt]

Well for some people the stat increases do matter. Maybe not to you or I, but to enough people that there's a pretty sizeable market for even "trash" rivens to begin with

[tall echo]

Depends on the dispo

[north jolt]

Hence, many times more relevant to the game then nearly anything related to Conclave

[silk atlas]

I wouldn't try multiplying by zero.

[graceful swan]

I wonder if you know about Cephalon Samodeus

[north jolt]

I mean they at least get used and are factored in to a decent handful of weapons and meta strats

[tall echo]

You mean cordylon?

[silk atlas]

That was in reference to Conclave having no one

[north jolt]

...It took my brain a little bit remember

He use to be like a news/update reporter cephalon?

Or a lore master?

[graceful swan]

Actually do you know about Cordylon

[north jolt]

Okay now Im drawing a blank and I was literally just on the wiki like 20 minutes ago

[tall echo]

Samodeus is the riven ceph

[graceful swan]

Sam is Rivens Cordylon is who Scrap wants to be

[north jolt]

Ok right, I was getting them mixed up

[tall echo]

I will be the next cordylon >:(

[graceful swan]

Nah you'll be picking up his scraps

[north jolt]

See if I'm not actively thinking about Samodeus himself for more then 5 seconds Im like a goldfish and forget who he even was

Still purely far as relevance goes rivens > conclave

[tall echo]

I know every important cephalon

[north jolt]

All 3 of them

[tall echo]

Conclave cephalons are not important

[north jolt]

I know

[graceful swan]

Who's the Index one

[north jolt]

errr

Sark

[tall echo]

Cordylon, samodeus, nihil, ordis, suda, cy, jordas

[graceful swan]

Jordas isn't that important

[tall echo]

More important than melica apparently

[graceful swan]

Melica can barely remember her students

[tall echo]

Except the one with the unusually vibrant hair and rell

[graceful swan]

I think the crash gave her some brain damage (not sure if Cephalons actually have brains)

[tall echo]

She got corrupted by the hardware damage

[graceful swan]

Why do all Cephalons have some form of damage?

[tall echo]

I wonder if she's still connected to the weave

[silk atlas]

Suda doesn't have Cephalon damage, she had human damage

[graceful swan]

Wasn't there a whole quest with that damage still existing?

[silk atlas]

I don't think so?

[graceful swan]

What was going on in the quest she was in?

[silk atlas]

I thought she was getting corrupted by something outside

Oh wait yeah that was because of her memory nvm

[graceful swan]

I think it was Hunhow who was trying

It's the one quest I refuse to replay tbh

Oh and waverider because we have the thing with the comics anyway

[normal mountain]

It was Hunhow
I remember that because it caught me by surprise

[dire mountain]

ducati?

[feral cape]

Which is a shame

The concept of mods is rather interesting and I hope eventually they dive into how a mod functions and why it improves the function of a weapon

[prisma merlin]

So question, I never really thought about this, but why is the prelude to 1999 called Lotus Eaters, I mean sure it draws connections to certain parts of the world, but I just feel like in context of what actually happens in game I thought something serious was going to happen to Natah (I chose her Natah form because its the real her in my eyes.)

[humble sierra]

Lotus Eaters is a reference to a part of the Odyssey where they encounter an island full of merry people, but they're only happy because they eat these Lotus (fruit? Cookies?) that cause them to lose their memories.

As for the Warframe quest, it's probably in reference to Lotus seemingly losing her mind (her dialogues in the Sanctum after the quest) thanks to the Indifference's presence

[prisma merlin]

See I went back to her randomly today and she just stands there after the quest, no dialog random or interactable. I just feel like she was used as an indirect plot device (a reason for us to go there.)

I thought it was more like us going to 1999 is starting a new life.

[normal mountain]

Lotus flowers
No, it doesn't make sense to me, but that's how it is

[humble sierra]

She should have ambient dialogue. No interactions, but definitely dialogue.

Lotus: "Lua. The miracle. Do you understand what it cost?"

Lotus: "You know what It gave. But what did you promise It in return?"

Lotus: "It is hungry, Tenno. And I… am a distraction."

Lotus: "I will not let It devour one instant of my pain. Not even Ballas. Not even the Jade Light."

Lotus: "The System is changing. We are changing. If I become something you do not recognise, do not mourn."

Lotus: "Lotus. Margulis. Natah. We live… we rise… we endure."

Lotus: "Within this shell, the three of us entwine. We forge a new strength."

Lotus: "I was the Daughter. I became the Mother. In time I shall be the Witch, blind once again, empty of all but wisdom."

Lotus: "I kept vigil while you slept through the dark centuries. I can do it again."

Lotus: "I will guide you, as I always have."

[polar bobcat]

Oh man, I was also about to say cookies but then i realized that was from the lightning thief movie 😭

But it's more that the lotus flowers were addictive to the people of the island, and they fall into apathy and slumber. Which is kind of what the Lotus is experiencing during the quest, she is resisting the call, but also drawn to it in a way that makes it like she isn't really cognizant while in the sanctum trying to beat back the indifference's pull.

[humble sierra]

Thank you, I'm no expert on the Odyssey, this makes significantly more sense

[prisma merlin]

Yea I just went to her again, stood there a few minutes, nothing. she just stares at the kinepage

[distant maple]

why doesn't Eleanor just mind control Viktor

[old dome]

soooooooo theres this concept called: morality...

also idt she can... she only reads human minds, not control them.

[restive river]

Her 1 is called mind control :p

[old dome]

yea but its not humans... its infested.

[restive river]

Scaldra
Grineer
Corpus
All can be controlled

All of which are human

[old dome]

so it just comes down to her morality??

[restive river]

Heck she can control robots too

Likely morality or it could be it’s easier to influence a being to do physical actions, she can’t entirely change their mind

Like all Nyx does with mind control is make enemies fight for her
Controlling Victor may be more difficult since it’s not just controlling physical actions

Plus they’re in a loop and it’d get tiring mind controlling him every loop :p

[feral cape]

Also Victor may be a man of strong willpower

[woven coyote]

"I am just so, so, tired"

Not so sure he has much willpower left

[old dome]

well,,, considering theres someone having a fkn. rock concert while everything is going downhill...... yeah i wouldnt blame the guy

[tall echo]

Not literally tired

[woven coyote]

To me he sounds tired

Especially the way he cant maintain his façade
And keeps freaking out and whining

[tall echo]

That's just how newbon's characters tend to be

[feral cape]

There's also like it's a story if everything proceeded exactly as the most logical thing dictates then it wouldn't happen

[grim nacelle]

Hi guys I want to ask isn't the drifter immune to Eleanor's powers as he has void powers ? Like he can cover his brain with a shield of void powers or something ?one of the schools even have a shield ability don't remember which one

[tall echo]

Do you know how eleanor communicates with everyone

[grim nacelle]

If u r talking about sending signals directly to their brain the I guess so

[tall echo]

I'd say it's about 90% likely that drifter isn't immune to her powers

[grim nacelle]

Yes which is weird

If I remember correctly she tried to read rusalka's mind once

[tall echo]

Difference there is that the drifter is a human with void powers while wally is an eldritch void being

[grim nacelle]

But he gave us these powers right ? Imagine voldmort with harry potter 😂 . I mean void powers should counter her right ?

[tall echo]

It's like a dnd warlock. A fraction of the patron's power in exchange for whatever the patron asks for(usually the warlock's soul)

[grim nacelle]

Lovely which still supports my idea its his power at least should weaken her connection if she try to control us . Which is can be supported easly as one of her in room lines (you should allow me to control you sometime) I know 99% de meant that moraly but still the idea keeps circling in my brain lol

[tall echo]

That line is definitely just referring to her only controlling allies with consent

[grim nacelle]

You are right . I just feel its his right as the mc . You know what nvm I just keep overthinking the story not really that important of an idea 🤦

[lean garden]

Eleanor constantly reads our mind wdym

thats how she's learnt of the lotus

[humble sierra]

Maybe Drifter could block her, but the point of their relationship is that the Drifter chooses to let her in, because of trust.

[woven coyote]

You are thinking about this the wrong way
Its not that wally has powers that block eleanor

Its just the good old "if you stare into the abyss it stares back into you"

Eleanor even describes it in later kim convos

So no she wasnt blocked she just wanted out asap

And drifter also feared for her after this revelation for very good reasons

[south hazel]

In lore is mirage dead?

[humble sierra]

I think most Warframes are, we just recreate them... somehow

[south hazel]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1341529239178186902/1349693843045617725/convert.gif

[proper barn]

No

[proper barn]

We use blueprint replications of Frames.

[finite crane]

Which original warframes aren't dead in our time?

I assume the stalker is one

[graceful swan]

That’s unclear tbh

[proper barn]

most of them. Umbra was trapped in the moon until second dream then got out and got exploded.

[tall echo]

1. Stalker
2. The 3 starter frames

[proper barn]

Umbra is alive

he just dies.

[tall echo]

Not the original

[finite crane]

Wait what? I thought umbra was something similar to what rell did with harrow.

[tall echo]

...and what would that be

[graceful swan]

Umbra isn't a Tenno

[proper barn]

no the original.

the original literally only gets out of the moon prison after the second dream.

[graceful swan]

The whole quest was about a Dax being turned into a frame and how it worked

[tall echo]

The original dies

[proper barn]

YES after the second dream

when he gets out of the moon prison.

he couldn't get out of the moon prison while it's in the void.

[graceful swan]

We don't know if the starter frames are original frames considering the trailer you see a Tenno transfer into them

[tall echo]

Which. Would still be "our" time

[proper barn]

yes so he is alive in our time

he just gets EXPLODED

[tall echo]

Not for long

[proper barn]

anyway

[graceful swan]

https://tenor.com/view/i-live-i-die-i-live-again-nux-mad-max-fury-road-resurrection-nicholas-hoult-gif-6889109572721885990

[proper barn]

my point was

that he was alive in our time.

so he counts.

[tall echo]

Was

[proper barn]

THEY ASKED if any frame was alive in our time.

Umbra was we even free him.

He was stuck in the moon prison for over 1000 years. He doesn't Get out until EVENTS OF THE GAME HAPPEN

[graceful swan]

Doesn't get out till we throw the moon back into Earths orbit

[proper barn]

yes

and even then not until after apotosy prolog.

[steel creek]

there will be 3 new protoframes after encore right?

[proper barn]

at encore.

frost Saryn nova.

[graceful swan]

Frost Saryn Nova Temple

[steel creek]

have you not seen the tactical potato interview? reb and megan said there will be 3 new protoframes after encore

[hoary marten]

👀

[graceful swan]

Sounds like you already have your answer then

[steel creek]

its what my friend told me im tryna confirm if its true

[tall echo]

Probably misinterpreted "3 more protoframes" which would be referring to the ones we were told about after temple's

[steel creek]

oh alr

[knotty seal]

how tall are warframes again?

[brazen nymph]

why did the sentients turn against the orokin?

[feral cape]

The orokin suck

[brazen nymph]

Also I don't understand who the hell is shadow. Hunhow's puppet or what

[feral cape]

The jades shadow quest explains it

[tall echo]

Yes

[tall echo]

His name is stalker

[brazen nymph]

ooooh Stalker

bro The second dream quest is so confusing

I have so many questions about every single thing

[tall echo]

They'll get answered

Later

[brazen nymph]

Who the hell are even Tenno
Who is the black colored robot
Why are Sentients Hostile Towards Tenno
Why are do the Sentients hate Orokin

WHY ARE SENTIENTS TRYING TO DESTROY THE VOID

[tall echo]

Not the void

[tall echo]

Patience

[brazen nymph]

My brain just exploded. I think I know who the black robot is

[tall echo]

You probably don't but do tell

[brazen nymph]

The drifter in Duviri?

[tall echo]

Ok first off what are you referring to with "robot"?

[raw stone]

If I tell you will you stop the chattering?

[brazen nymph]

bro idk the human in the black suit

[raw stone]

Warframe

[tall echo]

That's the tenno

[raw stone]

Oh. The kid.

[brazen nymph]

yea

[raw stone]

Yeah that's the Tenno.

[brazen nymph]

so he was controlling a warframe while being in some deep sleep?

[tall echo]

Your self-insert character

[brazen nymph]

this just got even wierder

[raw stone]

"Operator." If you just finished Second Dream, you should've already have had this talk with Lotus.

[tall echo]

The second dream. Basically cryosleep combined with memory removal/blocking

[raw stone]

If you didn't. Why are you here?

[brazen nymph]

I am doing the second dream rn, customizing the tenno

[grim nacelle]

Excitement

[tall echo]

It's almost impossible to make it look good

[raw stone]

It is very impossible to make a good-looking tenno rn.

[brazen nymph]

fr, even the drifter in duviri looks like poop

[tall echo]

Btw gender is based on face, first half of the list is female, second is male

[raw stone]

I believe male faces start on 14?

[tall echo]

Idk tbh I haven't customized operator or drifter in forever

[raw stone]

Anyway, yeah. Tenno are children. Tenno comes from the place it all happened. Zariman 10-0 "Ten-O"

[brazen nymph]

uuhwas I supoused to complete whole duviri paradox before second dream?

[raw stone]

Stalker is a warframe. I feel like if you chose Excalibur it makes more sense, they're the exact same base rig.

[tall echo]

It's a paradox. You'll see why

[raw stone]

Technically. No. DE has retconned that connection lmao.

[brazen nymph]

is stalker a warframe controlled by Hunhow or does it have a tenno too

[tall echo]

It's still playable very early

[raw stone]

So Duviri Paradox now is locked at Uranus or Neptune's junctions? Cause it gets you.... your situation rn.

[tall echo]

Neither

[raw stone]

Stalker is his own ... thing.

[tall echo]

Stalker is his own raspy whisper assassin

[raw stone]

We don't get actual words on who he is until... Jade Shadows, a post-New War quest

All you need to know is... Stalker is easy to beat because Warframe v. Warframe pvp is typically unbalanced.

Unless it's conclave.

[tall echo]

Stalker is not easy to beat before the second dream. Dread is no joke

[raw stone]

Dread is a joke and so is he

[brazen nymph]

I literally few shot stalker when he hunted me for when I killed the Jackal

[tall echo]

Well. It is a community joke. But you get what I mean

[brazen nymph]

can you tell me why Sentients are hostile against Tenno and hate Orokin?

[tall echo]

I dread seeing dread in my mission rewards

[raw stone]

Mhmn.i have a feeling though if DE had gone a much more lowkey route like early Warframe, he'd still be a menace.

[tall echo]

Old war

[raw stone]

Sentients are True AI

[tall echo]

Orokin were scum, tenno fought for them, thus tenno are scum in the sentients'... eyes?

[raw stone]

Yes.

[brazen nymph]

but why are Tenno fighting the orokin now

[tall echo]

Do they. See with those

[raw stone]

Even though we're dogs, they think we're still orokin dogs.

[brazen nymph]

if orokin and tenno were allied back then

[tall echo]

There are no orokin left

[brazen nymph]

Alad V?

[tall echo]

Also, first statement explained why

[silk atlas]

Everyone is "Orokin" to the Sentients

That's it.

[tall echo]

He's a corpus

[brazen nymph]

ok this makes sense now

Hunhow called Alad V orokin...

[silk atlas]

Because he's stupid

[tall echo]

Hunhow is extra racist

[brazen nymph]

which path do I piiick all of the things are good

Madurai? which one is the most aggresive

[tall echo]

...wait the sentients are actually kinda racist aren't they

[tall echo]

What's your preferred playstyle

[brazen nymph]

brutally kill everything leaving no one alive

🤑

[tall echo]

More specifics, edgelord

[brazen nymph]

Big sword, shotgun primary, fast automatic secondary

[tall echo]

Melee, guns, abilities

Which do you use most

[brazen nymph]

Im using volt, but Nekros and RHino are crafting, might use wukong prime and dante are an option for future. I am using rn Galatine, Akzani, Hek (im only mr4). I only use the 2nd (speed), 3rd (shield) and 4th (emp-lightning blast) to stun the enemy

[tall echo]

If mainly melee, get the focus with the tree looking symbol. If mainly abilities, zenurik. Anything else, any focus except the tree one

I. Think.

Lemme look it up actually

Yeah naramon is melee

[brazen nymph]

what about madurai

[tall echo]

If you want to tank get the one with the mountains, it gets an infinite self-revive after a later quest

[tall echo]

Not good except for a specific type of content you can't play yet

[brazen nymph]

1999?

[tall echo]

No

[brazen nymph]

Naramon is the tree one?

[tall echo]

Yes

[brazen nymph]

what about Unairu

[tall echo]

Also out of all 5 vazarin is objectively the worst one

[tall echo]

That's the mountains

[brazen nymph]

ooh yeah mb didnt see it XD

[silk atlas]

Naramon:

[tall echo]

Naramon for melee, zenurik for energy, unairu for tank, madurai for ????????

[silk atlas]

Damage, especially in Eidos

[tall echo]

SILENCE, melee is a valid form of combat

[silk atlas]

Yeah and I'm not dedicating an entire School to it

[tall echo]

It's my main focus school

[silk atlas]

Sadge

[tall echo]

I just like having fun while playing games, and melee is the funniest weapon type

[wind kernel]

how does adaptation work with other damage decreasing abilities like null star and shooting gallery

[tall echo]

Combo builds are hilarious

[brazen nymph]

should I go Vazarin?

[tall echo]

Anything except vazarin

Vazarin is focused on support and healing

[silk atlas]

Zenurik is the beginner one since energy is usually hard to get. Madurai if you want to do Eido hunt anytime soon

[brazen nymph]

what is Eido hunt

[silk atlas]

Eidolons

[tall echo]

The later content I was referring to

[wind kernel]

oops wrong channel

[tall echo]

Keep in mind all the other focus schools can be unlocked later, but it might take a while

[brazen nymph]

Naramon seems good but I also use Akzani really often

I dont use abilities that much, but more energy could get me more overguard

if I use dante or rhino

[tall echo]

Technically yes

[brazen nymph]

this is a rlly hard choice 😭

[tall echo]

Yeh

[brazen nymph]

which one gave energy and tanking

[tall echo]

Zenurik energy, unairu tank

[brazen nymph]

either Naramon, Zenurik or Unairu

[tall echo]

Flip a dice, roll a coin

[brazen nymph]

what does Unairu exactly do? also does naramon just boost melee dmg?

[tall echo]

Unairu has an ability you unlock later than you can use to self-revive without using up one of the 4 revives, naramon boosts melee mainly by slowing down combo loss and increasing affinity(equipment exp) gained from melee kills

There are melee mods that increase your crit or status chance based on your combo multiplier, which is the main use for naramon

[brazen nymph]

eeeh Im going naramon

[humble sierra]

Unairu's got the passive ability of having a "last gasp", basically you kill 3 enemies as operator and revive. This is also the ability that you can unbind so it can apply to any of them if you switch after unlocking it

[tall echo]

You can technically farm both of the combo mods already but it'd probably be a pain

[humble sierra]

Madurai is probably the best , gives you like 1000% damage with the first ability for a brief moment (for the Warframes too)

[brazen nymph]

too late already gone naramn, this sint undoable right? 😛

[humble sierra]

Unairu's non-passive abilities are also pretty useful— 100% armor strip for almost any enemy and shield strip.

[tall echo]

-# (It's not)

[graceful swan]

You can equip other lenses

[tall echo]

You can unlock the rest later

[humble sierra]

You can get lenses for the others that give you XP

[brazen nymph]

oooh sweet. my next one to unlock is Unairu

[humble sierra]

Duviri Circuit is super helpful for that imo, if you happen to have an item/Warframe in rotation that you have a lens on, you can max it pretty quick

[brazen nymph]

but how exactly do I unlock others

[tall echo]

DE doesn't like to lock players out of content

[graceful swan]

Get 50k using another lens

[brazen nymph]

what is this wierd currency

[humble sierra]

You have to get the other lenses and then equip them onto an item. These lenses are typically mission rewards or bounty rewards.

[tall echo]

You get these things called lenses from bounties which you install on maxed out gear to get exp for a focus school

[graceful swan]

Lenses can be gained in many places in the star chart

[humble sierra]

That's Focus. It's earned through affinity, basically. The lens on a fully maxed item turns affinity into Focus.

[brazen nymph]

what bounties

[tall echo]

Free roam, like cetus

[brazen nymph]

oh

[humble sierra]

The consistent ones are more late game stuff but mid-level Cetus can help

[brazen nymph]

so to unlock another school/path I need to find a lens and have 50K of that currency???!!/

[tall echo]

Yeh

[brazen nymph]

how do I get that currency

[tall echo]

It's not as much as it sounds like

[tall echo]

.

[brazen nymph]

oooooh

okokok

[tall echo]

You get one lens for your chosen focus after the second dream iirc

Put it on your main frame

[graceful swan]

I wish you could remove lenses entirely once you fully get everything from the stores and focus

[tall echo]

Same

[graceful swan]

I doubt DE are gonna add more to the stores

[brazen nymph]

main frame?

warframe?

[tall echo]

Yes.

[brazen nymph]

how do I put lenses on the frame

[tall echo]

Have you ever used forma on something

[brazen nymph]

no but I know what it does

[raw stone]

Okay so.... I assume you got your conversation with Lotus by now. The Tenno are simply employed by the Orokin.

[brazen nymph]

yes

[raw stone]

It's a bit like a Knife being pinned to your backside while shaking hands with the sole killer.

[tall echo]

Well the point is that you install lenses through the same menu

[raw stone]

Idk if she mentions it, but Margulis was the caretaker of the Tenno Post-Zariman.

The Lotus that is. I think it's mentioned but really it's a footnote in the conversation.

[graceful swan]

Albrecht Entrati
Mother
Father
Son
Daughter
Grandmother

[raw stone]

Yeah. They're good tho. Infested.

[tall echo]

There are no true orokin left

[silk atlas]

What we the hell "true* means

[tall echo]

Straight up evil

[graceful swan]

Considering they still did stuff Orokin did they aren't exactly good either

[raw stone]

True in both cases of Sentients being True AI and "True Orokin"

[graceful swan]

The Family have done some pretty messed up stuff

[raw stone]

With sentients, the whole thing about Cephalons are that they aren't actually true AI. They digital brain uploads with programs put upon them to carry out whatever their assignments are. With Ordis, that means loving the Tenno and taking care of their orbiter and stuff.

Sentients aren't that. They're actually AI.

With True Orokin... think executor Tuvul and Ballas for those examples, rather than Margulis or Yonta.

[brazen nymph]

are the lenses guaranteed drop?

[tall echo]

No

[graceful swan]

RNG

[brazen nymph]

aaaaah

[brazen nymph]

6 bounties no luck 😦

[graceful swan]

Rip

Actually, I think they're tradable

[brazen nymph]

only this

it was Venus tho

where else can I do bounties? Deimos?

[brazen nymph]

Im poor, don't got no plat

[graceful swan]

I won't make you pay

[brazen nymph]

rllt?

what's ur ign :D.

[graceful swan]

I Nemesis Lv

Wouldn't recommend using the lens till you get maxed with current school though

[brazen nymph]

ight 1 sec tho, Im in gifts of lotus getting dex 🙂

[graceful swan]

Ok

[olive comet]

The origin system has traveled for so many millions of years that the great attractors concentration of dark matter has began to take notable effects: i.e. the void

[proper barn]

No?

[worn ermine]

I don't think it's been millions of years, only a couple thousand

[silk atlas]

We have no clue how much later WF takes place compared to now but that's irrelevant when Thoup just gets how the Void came to be completely wrong

[proper barn]

I more think DE wasn't thinking about that at all and that's not the origin of Wally.

[olive comet]

Lol just a fun idea to tie it into reality not super serious

[graceful swan]

Tie what back into reality it’s already in reality?

[raw stone]

It's alr in scientific fantasy

You do not need to explain every detail.

[olive comet]

Alr I just wanted to do something fun

[olive comet]

The game

[graceful swan]

You can't put the game into reality though as it already is

[feral cape]

Yea but warframe kinda lacks alot of the science to its fiction even just a basic explanation of the science behind warframes abilities would be nice like why does bloodshed give goruda energy

What exactly is volt doing to increase everyone else's speed just glossing it over as "the void done it" is basically just calling it magic which isn't sci-fi

Guass has a great explanation for everything he does the rapid accumulation and utilization of kinetic energy

Would let you run fast snap freeze enemies burn them reduce the damage kinetic and heat weapons do to you

And accelerate everything else because that's what kinetic energy does

[raw stone]

Okay so. Garuda bleeds herself, she gains bloodlust. That isn't like... some kinda game status or anything. I jsut think she feels the blood in the air, she gets an adrenaline rush. Which then funnels into her energy pool as a warframe. Idk.
As for Volt. It's not just his running speed, but attack speed specifically. Not a firing speed increase though. So it might be... muscle synapses firing more.

You want that? You want boring biochem answers?

[feral cape]

Yea it's science fiction with a big lack of the science

[devout verge]

I mean, there's a sliding scale from "Fiction based on established, plausible science" to "Futuristic Fantasy".
The far ends are pretty different from each other, but the entire spectrum is called "SciFi".

Warframe is mostly Fantasy In Space with Robots, not hard SciFi.

[feral cape]

Its the "dude it's science I promise" science fiction

Which I'm not entirely the biggest fan of id rather it just be magic

[restive river]

Source: I saw it in a dream

[feral cape]

If they made our abilities based on metaphysics or something I'd like over the "no dude it's all science trust me"

A subtle subversion of physical reality to achieve the desired effect an effect with an invisible cause a spark from nothing

[devout verge]

My personal beef is time travel. Which Warframe solves with "don't worry, any plot holes will magically fill themselves". I can't say I'm satisfied by that, but oh, well.

In the end, this isn't Star Trek. I'm pretty sure DE doesn't have the budget to hire a dedicated science advisor to come up with explanations for, say, dropping meteors on someone's head without perforating the ship's hull.

"Space magic with a decent story" is the best we can hope for. And considering that IIRC the void is mentioned to, apparently, intentionally defy understanding, and that at least Eleanor and I think at least one other Hex outright (and very much not metaphorically) calls the void the realm of spirits or something along the lines?

Yeah, it's "it's futuristic, and there's robots, but everything void-touched is at least a bit magic".

[graceful swan]

I want to have that dream now

[feral cape]

The plot holes don't magically fill themselves the time travel doesn't have any plot holes that don't have very basic answers

[olive comet]

Yes bruh

[restive river]

Did I ever tell you that before 1999 I had a dream about 1999 and the architecture in the dream was shockingly similar to what we actually got?

[olive comet]

Nothing wrong with just having fun with specifics

[feral cape]

Even magic can go into a physics based explanation

Im magically causing this physics thing to happen

[restive river]

What I’ve noticed about Warframe’s time travel is that
You think it should make a paradox
But it doesn’t make a paradox
So it’s confusing yet simple

[feral cape]

By using magic to drop the temperature of a being to absolute 0 I am freezing that thing in time based on the principle of an absolute vacuum?

I think that's what it is id need to recheck

[restive river]

Like Lua Spy
You wouldn’t have to travel back in time to do the puzzle if you did the puzzle but then you wouldn’t have done the puzzle, that goes on forever, a paradox
But what actually happens is there is no paradox, you travel back in time, make changes, travel back without issue

[feral cape]

The magic is im exerting my feeling of control to somehow drop there temperature by physical restricting atoms

[devout verge]

Warframe can't even decide if you can or can't change the past, so it goes with "you can change it, but not entirely".
Sometimes you change your surroundings by changing the past (Lua spy missions), sometimes you don't (The Hex), unless, apparently, you do (Techrot Liches)?

[graceful swan]

I did have a dream on the Zarinan with Albrecht did my dream predict 1999?

[restive river]

Totally :]

[restive river]

Wdym sometimes you don’t???

[olive comet]

It's baseless but I think it's fun

[feral cape]

Lua spy is a thousand years give or take the hex is who knows how far back and separated by 18 radiation wars

[olive comet]

Like, where else do we get a concentration of matter we don't understand?

[restive river]

The game literally told us how their time travel works
The palimpsest of spacetime :p

[feral cape]

The techrot have the great advantage of time which is everyone gets the long way forward

[devout verge]

Which makes it more likely for any change to snowball into an entirely different direction.

[feral cape]

Not really

[restive river]

^

[olive comet]

One of the biggest of said large bodies of matter we don't understand is the great attractor

[silk atlas]

Clearly not if the only thing that's gonna change to "present day" WF is "Hey Coda survived"

[restive river]

More like “Hey Coda held a grudge”

[silk atlas]

The butterfly effect doesn't magically have to work every single time in all media

[devout verge]

That's why I say it's running on void magic.

[olive comet]

One of the best ways that time travel doesn't change anything is if there's a tragedy that's gonna make all the change not really matter

[restive river]

We literally save defense targets that were destroyed in history and it affects nothing other than that those targets were saved

[olive comet]

Like no matter what we do in hollvania, if the bomb went off nothing would change

So maybe something happens in the next part of the story

[restive river]

Warframe’s history is so vast that minor changes don’t ripple throughout all of time
It’s just rewritten
Like a palimpsest :]

[devout verge]

Which makes it void magic.

[restive river]

No, it doesn’t.

[olive comet]

For a butterfly effect to take place you have to have something that can actually affect the future

[restive river]

You’re trying to apply logic from elsewhere into Warframe’s logic
There are no paradoxes here
There is no vast ripples from a singular change

[olive comet]

"If a butterfly flaps its wings" requires there to be air to flap that turns into a hurricane

[silk atlas]

I think it's funny that I never heard this word before so I just assumed DE made something up

[restive river]

Same lmao

[olive comet]

Mfs hate joy and wimsy out here

[restive river]

Do I need to pull up the palimpsest

Cause like
Not only do they tell us but show as well :p lmao

[feral cape]

The palinpsest of spacetime isn't magic it's part of the system of physics warframe uses

[restive river]

Not every system of time travel works the same nor does it have to

That’s the beauty of ✨science fiction✨

[devout verge]

So, basically, Warframe has some "true"/"destined" timeline that every timeline is drawn towards. You can bounce away from it at some points, but you always end up at the core time line in the long run.

Which is very soft on the science scale. It's essentially just "fate, but slightly fuzzy".

[feral cape]

Yea eternalism is deterministic

[silk atlas]

There's multiple other timelines in WF, but they're not really that important outside of the niche Void interactions. As for what happens in a specific timeline, you can budge stuff around in the past but the main points stay the same.

[graceful swan]

Events can be rewritten traces of the original still persists

[feral cape]

You can aliken it to the timeloop in destiny of the dreaming city i as a guardian a being freed from fate can do stuff of my own volition by say a vex caught within the loop will do the same thing for 2 weeks and if they die in those 2 weeks and I can the thing that kills them they'll just fall over

[devout verge]

Which, y'know, from a science point, would rise the question what force draws things towards this "proper timeline". How much influence can this force effect on the timeline? Is it restricted to quantum interactions, or can it go as far as actually exert force on a larger scale?

Essentially, all the questions you have about "how can Ember summon meteors", I have about time travel/time lines.

[restive river]

Ember does that because she’s void powered :]

[devout verge]

Yeah, but earlier, Mediocre lamented that "void power" wasn't SciFi enough.

My argument is just that "time gravity" isn't any more scientific than dropping meteors on heads inside a spaceship without damaging the hull.

[woven coyote]

I mean why assume the meteors are being pulled from out of the ship and through the hull?

We have already learned of conceptual embodiment

[feral cape]

A phenomenon that only occurs in the void and on lua a place with a very tight bond to the void

[feral cape]

Time gravity presents itself as axiomatic something that must be true in order to interact with the system in a consistent manner

1=1 is axiomatic is requires no further proof for that is the axiom of identity

[woven coyote]

The crystal lovers too

[restive river]

Exactly, some form of conceptual embodiment covers like
All abilities :p

Except Nidus ig but his is home grown

Especially covers Xaku since they’re literally stated to be a master of their void abilities

[woven coyote]

Like warframe has energy
Floods immediate area with void energy
Something either the frames memories or some other system embodies the desired phenomena that we call abilities

[restive river]

Considering they’re designed it could be the helminth implants the concepts or interacts with the void energy within the frames to cause the abilities to be embodied

[woven coyote]

Also orokin tech was advanced enough even before

Remember albrecht reached the void before widespread void tech

[restive river]

To me Xaku could imply that the frame’s mind also takes part since they’re more a product of the void than helminth by this point

[graceful swan]

Albrecht is the reason for widespread void tech

[restive river]

Funny finger

[woven coyote]

I added widespread in case we decide the first void portal is to be considered void tech

[restive river]

Semi-related but I’m so happy the void mirrors are gonna be fixed with techeot encore

[woven coyote]

Havent even been looking at them what happened?

[restive river]

They broke ):

Voruna’s specifically
Idk bout the deimos ones

Voruna’s hasn’t shown the void hole relative to earth
Or
Whatever is happening there

I’m gonna try and take a good photo of it when it’s fixed cause tbh it’s pretty interesting that through a void mirror Earth looks like a black hole that’s either spewing out or taking in ribbons of rainbow energy

Which I wonder if that’s due to the many possibilities it holds? Cause
Massive history with life :p

[feral cape]

This isn't unbelievable but I don't have enough to really accept

[restive river]

What is energy in warframe
Cause enemies can drop it
It powers our frame and tenno
But also our tenno can produce it
I mean
Gameplay > lore probably but still

[feral cape]

A nice message from ballas as a large brush stroke about abilities would suffice "the warframes they're imbued with technology to allow the manipulation of ambient void energy into desired phenomenon, in essencethere will defeats law"

[devout verge]

And the Void Heart of the Entrati explicitly supplies us with void energy, so it's not surprising that we have access to void phenomena.

[restive river]

Yes the Heart of Deimos is how all void tech is powered :]

[graceful swan]

I really wonder how the family managed before it was built

[restive river]

Poorly

[devout verge]

The (relevant part of the) exact quote:

It's what makes you special, you know that, right? All thanks to my father. It pumps the arteries of 'the here' and the Void.
That's a quote long before the War Within (it's before you even get an archwing), so it's clearly talking about the warframes themselves rather than the operators.

All warframes explicitly need a void power source to function, so their powers being void-based should be expected.

[feral cape]

Void powered sure but assuming the properties of a power source translate to the thing it powers is faulty logic

My house won't start performing nuclear fission just because I put a solar panel on it

[stiff fable]

A pure gameplay mechanic for balance, devs have said that in Warframe's reality there is no energy and Warframes can cast abilities at will

[woven coyote]

Remove energy add warhammer heat mechanic that causes anomalies the more you use them

[feral cape]

That has to be false like sure the enemies arnt dropping weird energy orbs but we do definitely have an endurance limit

As seen with like mirage and jade

[restive river]

oh good :)

[keen granite]

A friend new to Warframe asked me a question I couldn't answer: Why don't the Tenno just kill Hunhow? Is there a lore reason?

[graceful swan]

He's trapped in the ocean

[keen granite]

So the Tenno just can't get to him?

I think the Archwing would let them?

[graceful swan]

First, he'd have to be lifted out and then killed which is too much effort

[dire mountain]

Why would we

[keen granite]

isnt he constantly assaulting lua?

[dire mountain]

He's already "dead" and clinging to life

The worst he can do is send his fragments or the stalker after us

[keen granite]

Does he not have control over the sentients in the system?

[keen granite]

I guess he couldn't be killed underwater because we would need void energy, and the operator couldn't be under the ocean without the warframe

[dire mountain]

No?

[keen granite]

Ah

[dire mountain]

Theres like 7 named Sentient personalities

Nira, Hunhow, Praghasa, Natah, Boreal, Pazuul, Amar

Hunhow can not control any of those because they are completely independent beings

Hunhow can however control his fragments

[keen granite]

Oh, are the conculysts, battalysts, etc. just his fragments? because that is new information to me

[dire mountain]

I forgot erra 💀💀

[keen granite]

you did say pazuul, basically the same

also Praghasa is a ship, I dont think it has its own personality

[dire mountain]

Well, smaller parts of a larger whole

[dire mountain]

She did

[keen granite]

Interesting

[dire mountain]

Void exposure seemingly limits a Sentient's ability to create new individuals but not fragments

(This is conjecture)

[keen granite]

So, if his main body were destroyed, would his personality and mind survive in his fragments?

Because I've been imagining if his largest fragment in Uranus was destroyed, his other fragments would die or at least be less coordinated

[dire mountain]

Look at the eidolons ig

[feral cape]

Yes

Given teshins statements we can infer using albretchs statements sentients immortality is because they spread there consciousness between fragments

[keen granite]

If this is the case it makes sense why there would be no point in trying to destroy Hunhow's body in Uranus.
But I feel like if his fragments became confused like the Eidolons, there is a case to be made for it.

[humble sierra]

It's possible the Hunhow we see is also just a fragment, and a much bigger part of him is buried even further in the underwater depths

[feral cape]

As said by the mushroom "you can not kill me in a way that matters"

[plush phoenix]

doesnt hunhow canonically have space alzheimers or am i making that up

like at this point the consciousness thing is getting confused for him

[tall echo]

The latter

[plush phoenix]

maybe i was thinking of the suda thing from the chats

[old dome]

she did...?? wish we saw what thats like...

too bad we killed her (?)

[old dome]

yeah its suda who has severe memory loss & problems overall,, hunhow is fine hes just a grumpy old man stuck inside a water planet

speaking of suda,,, who was simaris before being cephalonized??

[dire mountain]

It wasn't us really

I dont think

[glacial bough]

Irmis. That's all

[old dome]

...do the cephalons like, go through a weird name change once they become digitized?? like the nameless in kingdom hearts having "x" in their names (spelled backwards & all)

ordan karris = ordis.
irmis = simaris.
...idk what's suda's name but.

[tall echo]

Suda

[plush phoenix]

no suda was suda yonta has a quote

suda was an archimedean

[feral cape]

You're not gonna believe who turned into cephalon suda

You get 3 guesses

[strange turtle]

That’s a tough one

Margulis?

[charred patio]

damn
this is actually... hard

[left oyster]

Does DE ever emphasize how exactly we got to 1999 ik the helminth spit us out but did they just leave it at that?

[lean garden]

not really

[feral cape]

Using the vessels to time travel through uhhhh uhhhh uhhh

[woven coyote]

I guess vessels let us locate it
And the phone during lotus eaters pinpoints/locks it?

[stiff fable]

small note, before her void bath, Praghasa was Hunhow's wife and Natah's mother

but she's also not dead because dead Sentients become Eidolons

[woven coyote]

Railjack bossfight
Sun scarred phragasa eidolon

[stiff fable]

I kinda want Praghasa as a Narmer node tho

[normal mountain]

Assuming she didn't end up diving into the Sun, that would be a neat little area

[stiff fable]

Pazuul existing means she didn't

My personal guess is that she's the reason Pazuul's shard is in Erra

[normal mountain]

Oh right, if she dipped into the Sun, Erra would have gone with her

actually, wait, he's cheated death like that before

Lotus had a team of Operators vaporize him once
In the Prelude to War - Erra

[stiff fable]

We only saw them attack, not finish him off

[normal mountain]

True, but Natah was confused why he was still alive
She either implies or straight up says she made sure he was dead (I forget)

[stiff fable]

It's just Warframe boss syndrom

even if you farm them for Warframe parts that doesn't mean they're actually dead

[normal mountain]

Then again, it's been a minute since I've even tried thinking about that quest
It was an amazing experience, but wow do I find it headache inducing!

[stiff fable]

Looking at you salad

[normal mountain]

Still not convinced the salad is compost yet

[stiff fable]

yeah no way he's dead

Watch him pop up in a totally unrelated quest

[normal mountain]

That would be just like him to do that tbh

[stiff fable]

"Well if it isn't my favorite BETRAYER..."

[normal mountain]

Meanwhile, the Tenno: "HOW ARE YOU NOT DEAD YET?"

[stiff fable]

[strange turtle]

He got caught in a void vortex from a unseen Railjack’s reliquary that got blown up as well, landing in 1999 and rising to become the head of Scaldra’s RnD

[stiff fable]

I would scream

god imagine that he did show up in 1999

[normal mountain]

I mean, as much as that makes sense, I would have thought Alad learned his lesson on playing with the Infested by now...

Though I wouldn't put it past him to have been the guy who cloned the Coda

[stiff fable]

distant relative lol

[strange turtle]

The primoVenitor

[stiff fable]

absolutely losing it

[normal mountain]

Relative, or pseudonym?

[stiff fable]

that's AWFUL hahahahaha

Also wasn't the V guy their manager?

[normal mountain]

Think so
Been a few since I read those emails

[strange turtle]

Yeah

[stiff fable]

that's even funnier then

[raw stone]

We need Alad wearing a fur coat as their manager.

Idk. His credit cloak he's wearing? Reminds me of a fur coat.

[normal mountain]

Imagine: Alad gets blasted to the 1990s, says 'screw it, I'm gonna manage a boy band'

[stiff fable]

https://tenor.com/view/bayonetta-enzo-sega-game-glasses-gif-1205188539501492425

[raw stone]

That probably isn't why it'd happen. He'd also have to preclude Albrecht's arrival by... 2-ish years.

Or no. Albrecht landed in 1997 right?

[stiff fable]

at least

[strange turtle]

Inb4 we find out Alad V also managed the Corpus’ pop band of, what are they called, idols? On the side

(Girls to parallel the Sisters)

[raw stone]

God they would try to bounce that kinda hack wouldn't they?

[stiff fable]

Half the interplanetary radio is playing Corpus idol music

[raw stone]

But that phenomenon, if ever, would have to see a corpus board member go to 1999, and then return on top of that. That's minimum 5 years of quest mapping.

I digress. Most of the Corpus don't really... have any stakes lately. Parvos, sure, but he's nigh the only one.

[stiff fable]

It's always only ever been one at a time with them

First Salad, then Nef, then Frohd, then Salad again, now Parvos

[woven trench]

Ngl
New war is kinda meh

[normal mountain]

It is definitely an experience
Lots of good moments, but not completely coherent
Reminded me of being in a dream

[hybrid silo]

So when character are speaking in your head. If their name is blue it suppose to mean they are one of the good guy right? While if their name is red they're the enemy. So why tf is Salad V name is blue?

[tall echo]

That transmission name color thing is violently inconsistent

Do a syndicate mission, the syndicate leader's name will be red

[hybrid silo]

Yeah i always wonder why the hell does the syndicate name is red when they're one of the good guy

[brazen nymph]

What exactly are cephalons?

[lean garden]

People turned into bots

[brazen nymph]

cyborg?

[lean garden]

No

[graceful swan]

See, in the old days, crime and punishment was all in the hands of those Orokin judges, the Seven. Mercy was a quick flash of the Jade light... But - if they wanted to make an example, they'd suck up your soul and make you a prisoner of the glass, forever

[lean garden]

No more meat

[brazen nymph]

how do you turn a human into a full bot

[proper barn]

More digitized very violently.

[lean garden]

Digitized very violently

[graceful swan]

Glass them first

Then digitise

[raw stone]

Glass Brains

More precisely

[tall echo]

Not necessarily

[old dome]

ever watched code lyoko? ever seen how the kids go into digital spaces via using a supercomputer? yeah... that but like, violently bc it was a punishment.

[brazen nymph]

never heard of it

What was ordis punshed for lol, what did lil bro do

[silk atlas]

Attempted political assassinations

[brazen nymph]

was ordis a tenno beofre he got turned into a cephalon or what

[silk atlas]

No

He was just some dude

https://wiki.warframe.com/w/Fragments/Cephalon

[sage stratus]

Speaking of glass brains some archeologists found remnants of a brain that were turned into glass https://youtube.com/shorts/A4ITTsLpT9U?si=1yUAJ4HZ-GV2R8mc

[tall echo]

A mercenary that "hunted" for the orokin in order to get a ceremony praising his services so he can kill orokin

[raw stone]

Mhmn

[strange turtle]

You can learn more about him from the cephalon fragment and jade shadows dialogues

[raw stone]

Apparently the orokin had done some space wizardry and the bomb Ordan Karris had in his neck and spinal column did not... go off.

That's sick tho. Bone bomb.

[tall echo]

Not a bomb

Just a bone shard inserted into one of the major arteries

Basically an intentional way to slowly seppuku while fighting

[raw stone]

Ohhhh

I still think bone bomb is cooler but that makes sense now

[lean garden]

also this isnt the orokin's doing

the bone plug is a cultural thing for ordan

[raw stone]

I know that. I meant them preventing him from dying.

[old dome]

when loid says "i cannot imagine the burden she must have taken upon herself... nor what it is costing her." is he talking abt lotus??

[lean garden]

yes

[fresh rover]

What if I remake the lore /hsrs

[brazen nymph]

Are the orokin basically like Isu in Assassin's creed?

[stiff fable]

The Orokin were worse

[brazen nymph]

Wym worse? Like more brutal and merciless or what

[stiff fable]

They'd been immortal and all-powerful for so long that they needed ways to entertain themselves

And one of their favorites was torturing people

Like, their idea of a Halloween prank was kidnapping people, stealing their body, torturing themselves in that body, and then switching back

[brazen nymph]

Yeah they are way worse than Isu like way worse

[old dome]

weeellllll (looks at dagath) their idea of fun is a married couple, of high society orokin caste, abusing a woman soldier by letting her believe that they love her & then killing her horse just because she was paying more attention to it than them... oh & they accidentally killed her too along w the horse. and then threw her corpse at ballas to reanimate her as a warframe..... only to kill her AGAIN just bc they realized they didnt want her to be their plaything anymore.

[hybrid silo]

Who is hunhow and who is stalker?

[old dome]

play the quests.

how far are you into the game??

[brazen nymph]

You'll find out

[hybrid silo]

Already did

[stiff fable]

A Sentient and someone who really hates the Tenno

[hybrid silo]

I just don't understand

[stiff fable]

Okay short versions

The Sentients are the terraforming machines the Orokin sent to Tau after the Zariman failed

[hybrid silo]

I finish all main story quest except for Jade and the hex

[old dome]

an old grandpa of a sentient (also lotus' dad) & stalker is—ah.

play jade shadows. youll get it.

[hybrid silo]

Okok

[stiff fable]

Hunhow is one of the leaders, who made a sacrifice play to trick the Orokin, only for his daughter Natah (aka Lotus) to mess up his plans

[brazen nymph]

Who is ballas? (Im at rising tide) is this spolier?

[old dome]

...yes.

[stiff fable]

One of the seven leaders of the Orokin Empire

He's the guy who made the Warframes

[hybrid silo]

Wait there are seven leader?

[old dome]

...or apparently not a spoiler??

[hybrid silo]

Who's the other 6

[brazen nymph]

👁️ who made sentients

[stiff fable]

Yeah they get namedropped

[brazen nymph]

I dont mind tbh I know a little from wiki

[old dome]

please just play the quests yall...

[stiff fable]

Tuvul was one

[old dome]

its no fun getting spoiled,, the story is peak

[brazen nymph]

Just 1 more question

[stiff fable]

It was a group effort, more or less. One random scientist guy broke the law to make them to show they could be controlled

Turns out that Ballas was playing both sides of the yes/no Sentient question to get exactly the kind of Sentients he wanted

[brazen nymph]

I know sentients were created to infiltriate the tau system but why did they turn against the orokin?

[stiff fable]

Small note but the Sentients were never supposed to become PEOPLE

[stiff fable]

The Sentients became people on the way to Tau, and after they finished terraforming it they sat back and realized the Orokin would F it all up

So they decided to kill the bastards

[hybrid silo]

This is ridiculously embarrassing i have play all the way until The lotus eater, but i forgot nearly everything pre-new war.

[old dome]

it is a lot of stuff tbf,,,

[brazen nymph]

So they went from robot/warframe to human/cyborg like natah (lotus) or?

[stiff fable]

The only thing that's really happened post NW is Albrecht's labs starting the Kalymos Sequence

[stiff fable]

They are pure machines

But they are also people

[brazen nymph]

This is so confusing lol

[stiff fable]

They're a machine species

[brazen nymph]

You could say they are a seperate race? Metal humans???

[hybrid silo]

Even the dev sometimes don't know what the hell is going on

[old dome]

theyre... well. sentients. like humans are. theyre basically androids.

[stiff fable]

They were created to be animal-smart but became people-smart

The Orokin did not like thinking machines

This is the actual thing that got the scientist guy in trouble

[old dome]

(the orokin did not like anyone for that matter. theyre hella egoistic.)

[stiff fable]

Things that can think always always realize that the Orokin were awful

And the guy made a machine that could both learn, and then also would automatically evolve to solve problems

(adaptation)

They knew that there was a chance the Sentients would become really intelligent, so they created the void weakness to be the one thing the Sentients would never, ever be able to adapt to

Because that way the Sentients would never be able to come back to the Origin System

[brazen nymph]

Wait why did the orokin send sentients to tau in the first place again?? To wipe it out? Kill everyone in it?

[stiff fable]

The Sentients became intelligent after like five minutes, and they got around the weakness by having one of them grow to become a supercarrier

[stiff fable]

The Orokin were immortal but the sun eventually is going to die

If they want to actually live forever they needed to be able to leave the solar system

Step 1 is getting to a nearby system

They chose Tau Ceti

[brazen nymph]

So they sent sentients as a test to see if they would survive in tau ceti?

[stiff fable]

No, they sent (first the Zariman and then) the Sentients to make things nice for them

So that THEY wouldn't have to do the work of terraforming the planets and could use a fast travel button to go

[old dome]

they sent the sentients to colonize the tau system, basically. bc thats who the orokin were: colonizers.

[stiff fable]

Terraform, not colonize

They were trying to skip the colonization step. The Zariman would have been the colony ship.

[brazen nymph]

Ok now another thing What was the old war + does it get more explained in further story cuz it was mentioned like once or twice in natah questline

I know the orokin were wiped in it

[stiff fable]

It's exactly what it sounds like

The old war against the sentients

It's actually best explained in The Sacrifice

The Sentients show up and can hijack the Orokin tech weapons

[brazen nymph]

Is the before or after the new war quest

[stiff fable]

Before

[brazen nymph]

I also saw a meme vid (didn't know it would have important spoilers) and there was 1 thing on "how the tenno pulled up on orokin" what is this about

@stiff fable

[stiff fable]

Haven't seen the video

But at the end of the Old War the Orokin threw a party for the Tenno and all gathered in one place

And then we killed every one of them we could

[brazen nymph]

That's how they were wiped out?

[stiff fable]

https://tenor.com/view/dimitri-fire-emblem-three-houses-blue-lions-kill-every-last-one-of-them-gif-14695003

[gloomy cloak]

yes, the orokin won the war against the sentients with the help of the tenno, then the tenno took their revenge at the party celebrating the victory

[brazen nymph]

Ok

Also what is really the infestation and how did it start? Cuz this is actually interesting. Also was deimos normal before infestation???

[sweet wadi]

We don’t know and yes, respectively.

[restive river]

Check our the belric and rania crystal

[gloomy cloak]

i believe the entrati family has some information on how the infestation started if you rank up with them, though i could be mistaken

[sweet wadi]

The infestation is native to earth, as far as we know, however, given that techrot is its primitive form.

[restive river]

The Infestation spreads across the Origin System – a techno-organic parasite that attaches itself to natural and synthetic forms, slowly digesting the host subject and transforming it on a molecular level. Organic materials morph into new homogeneous organisms while harder, inorganic materials, like metals, will change structurally into a pseudo-organic substance that holds the characteristics of its previous forms.

The infestation predates the Orokin, the furthest back it’s made an appearance is 1998
It’s origin is unknown

[sweet wadi]

That said, strains of the infestation, like Helminth, are the direct result of Orokin tampering.

And I think the Grey Strain native to Demios was also modified? Could be wrong there.

[gloomy cloak]

I thought the infestation was a bioweapon the orokin used that got out of control

[restive river]

They used it, didn’t make it.

[sweet wadi]

They tried to harness it that way, but it predated them, yeah.

[restive river]

I’m not sure if the exact origin of the gray strain is known but it def sounds like that’s what was used to bomb deimos

[brazen nymph]

Ight I also asked chatGPT just now and he says: The Orokin created the Technocyte Virus as a means of biological enhancement and experimentation.They used it to develop the Helminth Strain, a controlled version of the virus that helped create Warframes.However, the virus mutated beyond their control, infecting both organic and synthetic beings, leading to the rise of the Infested.The Infestation became an unstoppable biological plague, spreading through Orokin facilities and ships.
Helminth is a modified strain of the Infestation, designed to bond with humans in a controlled way.Warframes are Infested beings—humans merged with the Helminth strain and modified by Orokin scientists.The Helminth Virus was meant to be stable, but the broader Technocyte strain mutated wildly, becoming what we now know as the Infestation.
While Helminth is controllable, the Infestation is a chaotic, self-replicating entity that devours and mutates everything it touches.

Is this 🧢 or real?

[restive river]

Don’t use chatgpt for lore…:

[sweet wadi]

Cap

[brazen nymph]

So the mf gave me a made up story?

[restive river]

Yes

[normal mountain]

That is total 🎩

[restive river]

Don’t use chatgpt for like
Anything :/

[sweet wadi]

Warframes are infested humans, that part is the only accurate thing

[brazen nymph]

He's only good for programming and math. Sht sometimes even sucks at both

[restive river]

The origin of the infestation is unknown
It predates the Orokin
The Orokin utilized it and modified it but ultimately couldn’t really control it

[restive river]

It’s not gonna be good at lore for Warframe lmao

[brazen nymph]

Arent warframes just robots that can be controllee by tenno

[restive river]

No

[sweet wadi]

Nope

[restive river]

Play the Sacrifice.

[brazen nymph]

Wth 👁️👄👁️

[restive river]

That quest is about all Warframes

[digital grail]

NOPE

[brazen nymph]

Was it before or after rising tide??? Cuz I dont remember

[sweet wadi]

This MF doesn’t know about Umbra

[brazen nymph]

XD 😭

[digital grail]

ITS mostly MEAT VRO

[normal mountain]

Long after

[digital grail]

With a HARD SHELL

[normal mountain]

Just before the New War

[sweet wadi]

It’s warcrimes all the way down

[restive river]

The Orokin infested volunteers both willingly and not with the helminth strain, molded them into weapons
Unfortunately these weapons didn’t work for too long cause they went feral
But when the tenno came along it was found they could control these feral frames

[gloomy cloak]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKib62Mc8Y4

[sweet wadi]

Volunteers is a… generous descriptor

Some, maybe

[restive river]

Both willing and not :p

[gloomy cloak]

I think gara is the only frame i know of that actually volunteered?

[glacial bough]

It's accurate, there was at least 1

[brazen nymph]

I still dont understand wtf a warframe is. Time to catch up on story I guess

[gloomy cloak]

the vitruvian records explain it decently

[normal mountain]

That's a good idea

[restive river]

Infested humans attuned with void energy, consciousness suppressed, tenno controlled

Specifically infested with the domesticated helminth strain

[brazen nymph]

Consciousness suppressed? So they dont feel anything??

[sweet wadi]

I think it’s less suppressed, more ‘ripped out’, but yeah.

There’s a ghost of a personality left behind

[restive river]

I mean yeah, they’re not in control
Can’t be
They’d go feral and just be chaotic
The tenno can calm them cause we have this cool thing called empathy and compassion :)

[brazen nymph]

1 more question. Is the drifter in duviri basically the tenno we play as but with lost memories??

[restive river]

It appears to be suppressed, remnants of their personality shine through

[normal mountain]

Seriously, go and play The Sacrifice
It'll help a lot

[restive river]

No

Drifter is basically alt timeline version of the Operator who wasn’t saved from the Zariman and didn’t get voidy powers

[brazen nymph]

Ok, cuz I started duviri and picked some eye colors and when creating my tenno they were automatically there so I assumed there would be some kind of connection between the 2

[restive river]

They were the same person up until a certain point
Then their paths diverged, both got trauma in different flavors

[restive river]

There is a connection yes

But also you can just make them look entirely different, heck they can be different genders

[brazen nymph]

Zariman was the lost ship in the void right??

[restive river]

Yes

[normal mountain]

I was never successful in making mine different gender

[restive river]

It’s reliant on the face shape

Strip them down to either nothing or just the zariman gear and see how their body changes in relation to the face

[normal mountain]

I know
But each time I changed the Drifter, the Op followed suit

[restive river]

Also there’s changing the voice
And the optional beard for both

[normal mountain]

Operator has a beard?

[restive river]

Weird, I don’t know if that should happen

[restive river]

No, Drifter does

Or
Can
If you so choose

[brazen nymph]

Wait of the drifter didnt get saved from the incident then how is he alive. Wth is even the duviri kingdom

[normal mountain]

I knew that
My Drifter does

imagine Op with facial hair

[gloomy cloak]

duviri is a storybook come to life within the void

[restive river]

They survived thanks to Duviri

[graceful swan]

Conceptual Embodiment

[restive river]

Duviri is a product of conceptual embodiment, emotions and concepts interact with the void to make a thing

When you’re heavily traumatized and trying to ground yourself with a book you’re gonna hold those concepts in your head
Tada
Duviri is born

[brazen nymph]

🧠 💥 my brain is overloaded gn everyone 😭

[restive river]

Lol gn

[brazen nymph]

Fennec Prime 🤑

[proper barn]

don't use it for that either.

[proper barn]

stealing art machine bad.

[brazen nymph]

It helps with my projects... Sometimes.

[proper barn]

you can steal from humans

not use a machine that steals badly from humans.

[restive river]

Ai slop

[elfin ore]

Are we the player, the indifference? They break the forth wall.. Like..a lot (I'm still newish so sorry if it's a silly idea)

[graceful swan]

No, we aren’t

[elfin ore]

Ohh okay, conceptualized sentience given to the entire void then?

[graceful swan]

Not exactly

The Indifference based on current info was most likely created from Albrecht’s fears while in the Void