lore-discussion

[smoky solstice]

or at least did something substantial

but again, it probably was the thing that enabled the ten-0 so I guess it did

[humble sierra]

Orokin towers are made of Flesh, at least the Unum is

[proper barn]

not competelty

it's just in the walls also other ones are too

as we see in fortuna you can into go into ones meaty remains.

[fleet rain]

So I was thinking, does ordis refuse granums offer to be human again because he truly doesn't want it? Or because he was programmed to love the tenno he can't accept the offer

[glacial bough]

He doesn't want it

He doesn't trust he would still be Ordis or if Ordan would make a full return

[fleet rain]

But does he really not want to want to be ordan again or is it because he can't betray the tenno?

[glacial bough]

He doesn't want to be Ordan

His codex goes over his full feeling of his situation. Yes, he's programmed for it, but he truly is happier now than he ever was alive

[fleet rain]

Oh okay then 👍🏼

Thanks

[hexed skiff]

I mean they prolly did but there were a lot of mad scientist in orokin ranks and they were quite free to experiment with it thats prolly the main reason it went wild

In 1999 we find out that their strain if infestation was basically perfected to make bio drones that are easily operated for profit( aka the on-lyne fiasko) so there is very big possibility that orokin at first were able to have full control of the infested projects but then it slowly went horribly wrong

Basically you can see that umbra was fully aware of what's happening but ballas was in control of his actions per say

And if we judge that all the infested are in hive mind the atrocities that orokin scientist did to infested subjects might have been the top and made them rebel and go full on take over

Also it's been known that at some point orokin used infestation to pseudo teraform parts of planets to be livable again so maybe they were so used to control it that at some point they laid back and were like "meh we will just make them suicide if they try to do something funny" which backfired obv

[wintry rose]

okay so is 1999 an entirely separate timeline outside of the void that we can access through the void, just like how our regular timeline is, or is it another construct inside of the void, sort of like Duviri?

[humble sierra]

1999 is part of our existing timeline

Hollvania is somehow permanently in a loop but also obviously time has progressed (since we play in 1999's future)

[glacial bough]

The Orokin very much didn't use the Infestation to terraform, they know that just leads to outbreak

[wintry rose]

I mean I know it's a version of the past, but it's clearly not the past considering the infestation, and warframes, and void. But I guess my question should have been if eternalism exists because of the void, or if the void just happens to exist alongside all of them, which is what made the tenno special in regards to their eternalist counterparts. Because if an eternalist multiverse exists outside of the void, then surely there would be more Zariman's right? If each choice and possibility creates another timeline outside of the void, then surely an infinite number of zariman's must have brought an infinite number of infinitely different people into the void. So if eternalist branching doesn't take place beyond the context of the void, then wouldn't that mean that branching timelines like 1999 are at least partial void constructs?

so in the context of that one lecture from the new war, in regards to that one girl's parents
-is there an objective reality where a single outcome is true, and all other possibilities are only true inside of the void
or
-are there multiple equally real realities where all outcomes are true, outside of the void

[glacial bough]

Eternalism means both outcomes about the girl's parents are true, the Void allows the possibility of moving between those two outcomes

[humble sierra]

This is the timeline from my understanding

This isn't relevant to the discussion I think

I just wanted to share

[lean garden]

eternalism exists because of the void,
Eternalism is the theory of time which posits that all time is equally real, it doesnt need the void to exist, but it needs the void for any shred of practicality. Because without the void, literally nothing of another possibility, which is real according to eternalism, can be made Real™️

[glacial bough]

Can be accessible to use the specific language

[lean garden]

I mean I know it's a version of the past, but it's clearly not the past considering the infestation, and warframes, and void.
1999 thus far is the past of the warframe universe, the infestation was already retconned to have predated the Orokin empire (See: changes made to the Once Awake Quest before 1999 went live), the protoframes are a result of Albrecht bringing the helminth infusions to the past to make "warframes", and the void would have existed regardless anyway

[lean garden]

To elaborate, if you told me that an alternate timeline where I was a billionaire is real and exists, I would tell you "big whoop, I'm still not a billionaire, so what use is this?"

but then if you told me some magic space place could manifest that moolah for me to have, thats a whooooooole different story

[lean garden]

so in the context of that one lecture from the new war, in regards to that one girl's parents
-is there an objective reality where a single outcome is true, and all other possibilities are only true inside of the void
or
-are there multiple equally real realities where all outcomes are true, outside of the void
Funny enough, the answer to this is... both!

[hidden cove]

So what makes New Loka 'Space Nazis'? I'm not well versed in the lore of syndicates specifically, but I do know that Steel Meridian is the only 'good' one

[lean garden]

But its a matter of perspective:

-is there an objective reality where a single outcome is true, and all other possibilities are only true inside of the void
This is true, because the only timeline that matters to you is yours and yours alone. It dont matter squat about the other possibilities, so long as you do yours

-are there multiple equally real realities where all outcomes are true, outside of the void
That said, those other equally real realities are indeed still equally real, they just dont matter/have any significant impact on your own timeline

[lean garden]

well New Loka hates anything that isnt pure, I hope thats enough similarity there

[wintry rose]

eugenics, big eugenics freaks. Also don't forget Suda, she never did anything wrong.

[hidden cove]

Oh

So Suda is just chilling and listening to music then. Alright that's cool

Steel Meridian actively helps Grineer defectors which is unfathomably based

Red Veil is a... doomsday cult?

Perrin Sequence is communism dudes who want to amass wealth "for the right reason"

What about the Arbiters? As far as I know they only want us, the Tenno, to be strong (Arbitrations, 'your lack of honour', etc) but I feel there's more to it than that.

[glacial bough]

They're just fanboys

[lean garden]

tenno fan boys

[hidden cove]

That's it? They don't kill anyone? They don't want us to be tyrants or anything like that?

[lean garden]

like imagine goober powerscalers and put them into black spandex, thats the Hexis

[hidden cove]

Oh my God lmfao

[lean garden]

eh, I need to check, but the hexis might have something on tenno supremacy

[hidden cove]

So it's them who say Warframes are multiversal and Atlas can punch planets apart disregarding that he punched a weak point in the asteroid and didn't just punch it and make it explode just because he punched it

[lean garden]

you can check their page on the wiki to see the things they've said about that

[glacial bough]

Not really

Hexis are just very into Tenno lore

[hidden cove]

The Arbiters of Hexis waiting for the next quest to drop so they can post on Space Tumblr about it

https://tenor.com/view/monkey-toy-story3-gif-25030026

[hexed skiff]

But wasn't it also hinted that 1999 techrot and the current infestation of present say origin system have somehow hive connection through time and space ?

[hexed skiff]

They are multiple zarimans but that was before the deal.By my understanding wally killed off all versions of our operator but the drifter and our current operator is void anomaly I suppose that's why the drifter goes to 1999 because he managed to get void powers on his own in duvuri unlike the operator that got the gifted by wally hence he can be influenced by it

I think that's the reason we see operator doppelganger not drifter when wally tries to spook us

[tall echo]

Drifter didn't get void powers in duviri, they got them from the merge with operator

[hexed skiff]

Well but isn't duviri a manifestation of drifters mind ? Basically he got some there too

[tall echo]

They did not. Everything transference was done by lotus' hand, not void powers

[hexed skiff]

I see

But in my understanding I think we should look at operator as the paradox not the drifter,for me the drifter is the real one

Also didn't drifter learn to operate Warframes from Teshin?

[tall echo]

Drifter is not the "real" person for the reality we're in

[tall echo]

Teshin has no idea how to control frames

[vale belfry]

so ive got a doubt

who's the "she" referred to by loid?

[lean garden]

In which line?

[vale belfry]

his voicelines keep mentioning her as a guest

[hexed skiff]

But isn't the drifter the reason we are in the current reality tho

[hexed skiff]

Prolly lotus

[lean garden]

Oh hes talking about the lotus

[vale belfry]

@hexed skiff that makes sense

like this one line

"she remains as she was,attentive"

[lean garden]

Which is 100000% not the case, as shown by drifter's conversation with eleanor in the KIM texts

[tall echo]

Drifter was ejected into operator's reality a while after operator vanished from it

[hexed skiff]

Yea but didn't the drifter make the deal with wally in the first place,hence making current reality possible with zariman children becoming tenno?

[tall echo]

The deal is where the timelines split, both made it

[lean garden]

^

There was one, and then there are two

[hexed skiff]

Hmm 🤔 maybe I should replay new war

[tall echo]

Difference is that operator was saved, drifter was not

29. You wouldn't welch on a deal, would you?

A. CORRUPT FILE DETECTED

B. I saved them. All of them. Never said I'd save you. (correct)

Duviri tablet

[hexed skiff]

So he didn't save the drifter but then he saved the operator by eternalism standards

[tall echo]

Yes

Drifter got screwed over by phrasing

[hexed skiff]

Damn it's been a while I actually had meaningful online conversations even for a scifi lore ty you guys

[hexed skiff]

Basically he made insurance deal xd

Also any thoughts of we going to tau next year ?

[lean garden]

Next year? No idea, but it seems signposted for the road ahead

[hexed skiff]

Yea we got little droplets here and there first by balas then Albrecht

[tall echo]

Probably after the void war arc

[hexed skiff]

It's quite unclear on which side sentients are

[humble sierra]

I've only been playing regularly since last Feb but it seems like the schedule is

Dec: MASSIVE story update
March: Echoes update
June: Big update
July: Tennocon, reveals plans for the remainder of the year and beyond
Sept/Oct: Fun little update
December: Massive story update

[hexed skiff]

Echoes is about to bring us infested liches I believe

June is prolly final arc

[humble sierra]

Yeah this year the "Echoes" update is Techrot Encore

Last year it was Dante unbound

[hexed skiff]

Mode on lyne bangers

[lean garden]

Final? Nah its too soon

[hexed skiff]

I mean 1999 final

[scenic depot]

Massive?

[woven coyote]

Still too soon

We are just starting the void arc

[half rivet]

warframe has so much content its surprising

and all for free, goated devs

[tame radish]

Can the indifference use transference on Warframes? Or just the vessels?

[stray herald]

Who is alad v’s business partner?

[woven coyote]

Disguised sentient

Culminates in the ropalolyst fight basically

[graceful swan]

They probably could but they probably wouldn’t be a very good therapist

[glacial bough]

Wally doesn't use transference, he's just straight up puppeteering it. And yes, he could do that to a Warframe

[restive river]

What’s the difference exactly?

[glacial bough]

One is an emotional connection, one is what Mutualist Alad does

[lament stirrup]

The Vessels are partially made with Voca, so it makes sense any void being could manipulate them. Whether or not Wally could puppet a real frame rather than creating a doppleganger of one is unclear, but warframes are meant to be conduits for void energy so its not impossible.

[stiff fable]

What I'm hearing is "could a Warframe be turned into a Void Angel by drinking from the Reliquary" and I think the Mythbusters need to get on this now

[restive river]

I don’t think so since they aren’t conceptually embodied

So basically we need to conceptually embody a new frame and have it feed from the funny finger drive

[stiff fable]

I dunno if that's how that works

Because that implies that Revenant Prime would be an exception to that rule

[tall echo]

Should be since that's how the holdfasts explain it

[stiff fable]

Their sample size is just people like themselves though, it's literally not definitive.

[feral cape]

Everytime I see any warframe battle boarding I'm reminded just how right sealskin was

[lament stirrup]

I don't think it would need to be the Reliquary drive specifically. In theory any warframe feeding on/derived from the MITW directly would develop psuedo-angel traits.

Speaking of which, DE GIVE US MURMUR GEAR I BEG OF YOU.

[stone sky]

Hello I'm new to Warframe whats the lore

[humble sierra]

The Orokin ruled over the Origin system. Their best soldiers, the Warframes, turned on them. Keep playing the game to find out more.

Though tbf it does take a while, you get your first big stuff during a quest that only unlocks with Uranus

But after that it's pretty consistent with story

[graceful swan]

Recommend using this website once you start doing your quests

https://www.orokinarchives.com/

[north ferry]

Considering Wally simply replaced Major Rusalka, as I can tell. He presumably could.
Also in EDA death turns the warframe into an Angel I believe, now mechanics aren't 100% reflext but still...

[restive river]

He didn’t replace her, he hollowed her out and puppeted her body
Also iirc with EDA when you get downed an angel spawns, you frame doesnt turn into an angel but you do return at the point of where the angel was when it’s defeated so perhaps it’s moreso the angel trapped our frame

Like Russalka was still present to an extent but Wally was driving her around in a process akin to how we pilot the warframes
So says the Drifter anyway with Eleanor providing further details

[north ferry]

Yeah, I didn't particular know anything, but I guess my point is transference and what wally does are kinda similar in a way.

[smoky solstice]

damn I never actually thought about that outside of gameplay lol

the Void Angel part

[restive river]

I really doubt its the frame being turned into an angel :p

[smoky solstice]

I don't think it's completely out of wack for an idea

I mean the biological components are there

but then how does it possess any capacity to move and do stuff?

wally controlling it? lol

[tall echo]

Angels trapping frames isn't exactly an impossible theory. They literally do that in combat

[smoky solstice]

sure but not like inside them

[tall echo]

But they could

[smoky solstice]

based on what though

we don't see it happen

[tall echo]

Manifesting spikes in a frame, manifesting around a frame, what's the difference

So far there's less to support frames being able to turn into angels

[smoky solstice]

because idk if an angel like morphing itself around a frame is a mechanic that's implied by making spikes which trap a frame

this is like saying someone could put a bear inside themselves because they can make a bear trap to trap it in my head

[tall echo]

Completely different thing

If frames can turn into angels, spending too much time near the void drive of the zariman should transform them

[strange plinth]

the spikes that trap a warframe are still a direct extension of the angel though, no?
so there's not that much difference in trapping a warframe like that vs manifesting around the frame
if i am understanding this correctly

[smoky solstice]

but what implies that the angel can morph its own body like that

it's still external, even if it's created by the angel

[tall echo]

Their form isn't really solid

[smoky solstice]

I mean we can make a comparison to warframes too, some of them have abilities which trap things, doesn't mean that implies they all have grendel mechanics

[tall echo]

Gameplay limitations, but you can see multiple very molten looking angels in the zariman tileset

[smoky solstice]

also I'm not sure if this is necessary

but then again

why don't we turn into angels there when we get downed

[tall echo]

The corrupted energy from the drive is what transforms the holdfasts into angels

[smoky solstice]

but we do in EDA? feels like it should happen in both areas if we are in fact turning into angels

idk, I guess it could be that the angels trap the warframes within themselves, just sounds a little silly lol

maybe there's a third option?

[tall echo]

Another very possible explanation is that we're reading too much into something that's purely a punishing gameplay mechanic

[smoky solstice]

nah, it's really just the two I think

[smoky solstice]

honestly not even that punishing, it's interesting how the rest of the team can just ignore the angel and it doesn't count as a fail for the one person who died

not the way it works usually

[tall echo]

I have yet to get into a pub squad where everyone doesn't instantly leave when one person gets downed tbf

[smoky solstice]

but yeah, I understand it's just a bonus difficulty modifier (although ALSO less punishing than just dying in the netracells and having no way to get resurrected), it still has to have an explanation right

they wouldn't introduce gameplay that contradicts lore after all

or current lore at least

[tall echo]

They would

[north ferry]

Considering the context, the angels don't really need to manifest from anything I think. I consider them basically 'lost souls' so if you want to come up with something in EDA is a whole lot of transference juice manifesting or your damned self, or the final form of the murmur

[smoky solstice]

like if they contradict something from 10 years ago, or retcon something, sure, but I mean it's the lore that's happening right now

[tall echo]

They would least introduce gameplay that's not related to lore

[smoky solstice]

oh not related is another thing

but EDA is not some like fake area that's not canon

so if something happens there, the reason it happens should not contradict established rules

[tall echo]

Boss deaths aren't canon unless explicitly shown otherwise

[smoky solstice]

which means this doesn't contradict established rules

[smoky solstice]

you mean warframe deaths?

[tall echo]

Boss. Deaths.

[smoky solstice]

what does this have to do with bosses

we're talking about the angels that spawn in eda when you die

[tall echo]

Gameplay doesn't always = lore

[smoky solstice]

oh you mean that

I mean maybe? it's just weird if they spawn an angel when it makes no sense

because assassination missions do make sense in the context of eternalism at least

or just multiple universe stuff

and in 1999, it still makes sense because of looping

[tall echo]

Unless they add some external stuff talking about frames turning into angels, it's easy to consider the option that they just went "we made this mode that's supposed to be really hard, let's make the players spawn this wally-adjacent miniboss to encourage not dying"

[smoky solstice]

honestly it is weird though that DE makes it seem like you're going through these planets killing these dudes when you're actually not since they get reintroduced into the plot constantly

[tall echo]

NO. NO.

Alternate realities. Are inaccessible.

[smoky solstice]

I'm not saying we access them, kill them, then come back for some reason

I'm saying that it's simply showing a different reality to the player

[tall echo]

And somehow that gets a blueprint or other stuff into this reality

[smoky solstice]

I mean look there's no way to make it make sense because they all survive after dying

[silk atlas]

Because they didn't die unless the game decides they're dead.
Alad V, anyone?

[strange plinth]

but we don't "reality-hop" for any other reason, even persepective

[tall echo]

And the EDA angels are different

[lean garden]

Add that to another tennocon narrative panel question

[smoky solstice]

It just seems so silly that the explanation is "oh they looked like they died, I mean there's no logical way they didn't, there is no explanation how they survived but they did", on top of us going back in over and over again, doing the same thing every time like a complete idiot, expecting that this time they for sure died
And then the characters you "kill" make no mention of that battle in dialogue. It's so silly.

[silk atlas]

The second part of us redoing the mission is literally just a gameplay mechanic. There's no lore to be gleamed from it.

[smoky solstice]

Even with just the first part, combined with those characters never mentioning this duel, it's extremely silly

But honestly us being shown a version of reality where we beat them, then somehow the tenno getting the information of the blueprint randomly beamed to their heads, yeah that seems weird too

But at least it doesn't sound like a cartoon

[silk atlas]

Alad V mentions his past mistake from Mutalist in an Operation and Vor is whatev.er

[smoky solstice]

Cut lore is lore that doesn't exist in my mind

[silk atlas]

It wasn't cut, it just wasn't permanent.

[tall echo]

It's not cut

[smoky solstice]

If DE cut it and pretend it doesn't exist, it doesn't exist, although there is a gaping hole where we still owe Alad V that favor now

[lean garden]

Which is not how operations work

[smoky solstice]

Ok, so a fairly crucial part of a character arc is just completely inaccessible in game, sorry, that sounds much better

[tall echo]

So botb never happened after it ends again. Thermia fractures are solaris propaganda. Ghouls? Never heard of 'em. What are stalker acolytes?

[strange plinth]

belly of the beast didn't become non-canon once it ended. we still collected those motes and flung them into the sun so parvos wouldn't have them
(who knows the lore reason why it'd come back. disregard its current and second appearance, just like the boss fights.)

[smoky solstice]

Given that now it's like we meet Alad V, we get the Second Dream, then we have Patient Zero, pretty sure Second Dream was after Patient Zero initially? But honestly I'm not sure if that made sense at the time, maybe they just changed the order as soon as Second Dream released, idk

[smoky solstice]

Ok thermia fractures doesn't count, it's up like 80% of the time

[lean garden]

While we're being pedantic, alad V's shtick doesnt even statisfy you requirements, because the fact that Alad v has a massive scar on his face is an indication that DE is not pretending the operation doesnt exist

[smoky solstice]

Same for ghoul purge

[tall echo]

Nah we never had to fight off the murmur invading the sanctum, you hallucinated that

[smoky solstice]

I mean sure, I guess it's just strange to me that we have this big gaping hole now and the only way you can find out about it is randomly finding out about it online

Like at least put it in the Codex or something, not like you're bringing it back

Actually is it in the Codex and I'm just complaining about nothing?

Doesn't seem like it is

[tall echo]

It's not

[smoky solstice]

Yeah, honestly that would be a pretty decent solution, operation happened, archive it somewhere in game

That's what they did with the nightwave lore, you can still watch all the cutscenes at least

[tall echo]

But look at it from a real life view: just because you didn't witness something, does that mean it didn't happen?

[smoky solstice]

No but you look it up online, or in archives or wherever else, like our version of the codex. I mean yeah, we haven't archived all things that have happened, but I'm not asking for that, just like a canon plot element that was pretty substantial.

[lean garden]

Agreed there, I'd make it happen

-# DE hire me

[smoky solstice]

For one character at least

[strange plinth]

the difficult part about "fixing" this is either making a "local" event that only one player can access (i.e. you finish jade shadows and get a mini botb for a bit) or cutting out a lot of the meat and throwing in a codex entry that you get at the appropriate time
ig you could also make a small quest out of past operations but that seems like unnecessary bloat

[tall echo]

You look it up online. Hmmmmmmm

[smoky solstice]

I made the comparison, us looking it up online would be the in-game us looking it up on the Codex. That's why I said it's like our version of the Codex.

[smoky solstice]

Yeah, I mean the latter would be a simple solution and don't you already have that with the Leverian? Certain frame entries are locked until later on in the game. Not sure what the unlock conditions are but this could be like complete Second Dream.
It would be weird to complete it and then be told "hey here's this thing you did" when you didn't do it but it has to be better than nothing, right?

[tall echo]

Unlock conditions are the quests the nodes for the frames are locked behind

[strange plinth]

iirc, voruna's leverian is locked until you know about lua, so second dream, and dante's is locked until whispers
could be better than nothing, depends on implementation i think
although. i think you occasionally get (canon) emails about off-screen stuff. so it isn't entirely out of the question, just the operations/events/whatever are bigger

[tall echo]

Voruna is war within

[smoky solstice]

Oh that's right, circulus is post-war within I think

Right? I think I remember it being just a random high level node that's locked for some reason

Plus it has solo Worm in it so it would make sense

[strange plinth]

true circulus is locked until then, huh.
second dream/war within is a weird space
yeah that makes sense

[tall echo]

It is

[smoky solstice]

Anyway, back to the angels thing, I think it could just be a gameplay thing and that's it yeau

But I always love it when DE mixes both in a fun way, makes me feel more immersed with the plot feeling like it is part of the gameplay as well

So I'm gonna keep thinking about this

[tall echo]

Sorry if I came across as hostile during that discussion btw, might be lackin serious sleep

It's almost 5am for me

[smoky solstice]

It's the warframe lore channel, it's a hardcore place, I knew what I was getting myself into when I came in

[smoky solstice]

Oh almost 6 am here

Timezone neighbors

[tall echo]

I usually try to stop myself from talking here when I'm tired because I tend to get mean when I am

[smoky solstice]

For me it's because I'm trying to sustain a sleep schedule and this place tends to give me an adrenaline surge

When I see a Sacrifice discussion or smth, my brain becomes fully awake

[tall echo]

I'd call it a defense mechanism but it's more an offense mechanism

[strange plinth]

less hostile more blunt imo
but i can see a few spots were it was more of the former
don't feel too bad about it i don't think, tho it wasn't directed at me so. grain of salt n all that

[smoky solstice]

I mean I literally don't care

Also I still don't get the we end as we began thing lmao

In the outro of whispers in particular

Maybe I never will... or maybe DE will do some huge plot thing with it in the mesoamerican quest

[tall echo]

The what

[smoky solstice]

The Tau quest

I mean it's not confirmed to be a mesoamerican thing but Lettie's line seems to imply that

[tall echo]

The great and terrible hunhow quotes some stuff, but that's it so far

[smoky solstice]

So like there's Lettie dialogue where the drifter says that Albrecht f'ed off to Tau and he is probably gonna need to go there one day, then he cites a line from the Sentients, and Lettie freaks out because it references some ancient Mayan text

[tall echo]

Lettie is quick to jump to conclusions

[smoky solstice]

Well she recognized the phrase, it's not like she's assuming

It's from the text, the question is whether that's some sort of misdirection?

[tall echo]

Yeah, but people quote historic stuff all the time

Hunhow might've just found that somewhere while he was in the origin system for a few thousand years

Or in the weave

[strange plinth]

foreshadowing is possible
it isn't out of the question, tho i wouldn't say its like. more likely than anything else

[smoky solstice]

Sure but it's not like out of the question for Tau to have like an ancient Mesoamerican vibe to it, it would be a fun environment

[strange plinth]

do either of you know which convo that is? curious what the exact line is
rank 5 convo 7, unless there are multiple

[tall echo]

Coincidentally the quote also described lua extremely well, which is discovered in a quest shortly after the new strange

[smoky solstice]

I definitely would say it's more likely than anything else, at least that it incorporates Mesoamerican aesthetics into Tau in some way, sorta like how they incorporated Westerns into Duviri, in some way

Aka probably still gonna be very different

[tall echo]

I prefer to go with occam's razor over chekhov's gun

Might be boring, but it's simpler

[smoky solstice]

Ok so I can't really find it since I'm on mobile

And the wiki formatting is really bad on mobile

But what I found out is that the text being referenced in the dialogie also contains the text "All is silent and calm. Hushed and empty is the womb of the sky."

So, not only is the Mesoamerican thing maybe happening, but it's also following up on this

[smoky solstice]

Oh thanks

[glacial bough]

Yes, the Sentients have been well connected to Mayan mythology

[smoky solstice]

Honestly I'm so curious what that could coalesce to from a lore perspective

Like that line, despite being around for a while, doesn't yet mean anything in particular, does it?

[glacial bough]

That line isn't relevant anymore

[smoky solstice]

Anymore?

[glacial bough]

It's a second dream teaser

[smoky solstice]

Oh so the womb of the sky was supposed to be the reservoir?

[glacial bough]

Well, Natah teaser into a seond dream teaser

[smoky solstice]

But what if this is a minor retcon and instead it DOES relate to something more of significance to the sentients

Isn't there also that one like monologue with the Maroo quest

That may have also been a teaser for maybe the Sentients but once again, something vague, the exact meaning of which is still unexplained

What if they're finally firing this loaded gun

[glacial bough]

Given Womb in the sky has been made clear cut how they reference the Reservoir, there's nothing to suggest any kind of retcon

[smoky solstice]

Why would it be referred to as it is though

It's not really empty, it I guess can be described as silent?

But it's not really silent when we get there, it's not like the environment is muted

[glacial bough]

Because the Sentients are all about flowery poetic language

[smoky solstice]

Yeah but poetic language means it's describing the place still

[glacial bough]

Yes, and the Reservoir was meant to be empty

[smoky solstice]

Just in an artistic way, aka hushed and calm would still relate to a lowkey, quiet environment I feel

[smoky solstice]

But Hunhow knew it wasn't

Like ok I know it's the womb in the sky right

[glacial bough]

He didn't know

[smoky solstice]

But hear me out, what if the womb of the sky being referred to isn't the same as the womb in the sky???

[glacial bough]

that's the point of him waking up in Natah

[smoky solstice]

Well regardless

Given the really weird unexplained thing in the Maroo quest (really don't remember what it's called)

There's still something there to unpack

[strange plinth]

i didn't recognize the other option that led to lettie recognizing it, but i don't remember exactly what it was

[smoky solstice]

Go deeper than the broad surface level of "ok it's probably teasing this"

[strange plinth]

stolen dreams, and what other weird thing?

[smoky solstice]

The thing where you screen is full static and there's a monologue by something and then the quest just ends

[main crane]

"Hushed and empty is the womb in the sky". The Sentient was referring to Lua being in the Void.

[smoky solstice]

Maroo doesn't get her treasure and we get a vague allusion to something

[glacial bough]

There really isn't much deeper to this

[strange plinth]

is that not just hunhow doing his thing, again?
i thought it was the same voice

[smoky solstice]

Yeah, now there isn't, I'm saying there can be

[smoky solstice]

I'm not saying we have no idea what it is, I think it's Sentient related, but what's the meaning of what is being said? What's being referred to there? We don't really know

And in a quest focused on Tau, that could very much be explored more

[glacial bough]

Not really? The message is very clear cut with what we knows it's explicitly referencing

[smoky solstice]

Especially when text is being referenced in the KIM system of the same damn text

There's a connection there

[main crane]

What's the KIM text again?

I mean what does it say

[glacial bough]

The connection is it being a reference to Mayan text

For WF, the meaning for it is pretty clear. The Reservoir was meant to empty, all the Tenno dead, and Natah sending out the wakeup call

[smoky solstice]

Wait I just had a weird moment

I could've sworn it said something more than just that one line

[main crane]

The best way to do is to check your chat history with Lettie :3

[smoky solstice]

It's the r5c7 convo, can't check, not on PC and wiki formatting for that page sucks on mobile

[smoky solstice]

I think it's a romance dialogue

So if you're not dating her, can't see it

[main crane]

:(

[tall echo]

Orokinarchives

[strange plinth]

lettie rank 5 convo 7, you're talking about Tau and mention sentients being cryptic. you quote one of them and lettie recognizes it
sending images hopefully it works
womb of the sky is obvious, but i don't recognize the other one for some reason

[tall echo]

Ah wait archives is missing KIM stuff I frogor

[glacial bough]

The other line is something new, though not too hard to get the meaning I think

[smoky solstice]

I knew there was something else

[main crane]

Ohhh. I think I get the connection. Our Drifter is just referencing the Sentient pre-Second Dream dialogue. Lettie here recognized the dialogue as something of a Mayan origin.

[smoky solstice]

"HERE WE SHALL SEARCH AND FIND. THE EYES OF DAY DRINKING THE NIGHT." From the New Strange

Same dude as the womb guy

No idea where that's from though

[main crane]

What if the Sentients discovered time travel, went to the distant past, and became the Mayan gods? Just a crazy thought.

[smoky solstice]

Where is the "there is no their father" one though?

[smoky solstice]

Sounds like a clown plotline

If DE does it

I'm thinking like there has to be something in Tau Albrecht cares about in regards to Wally, maybe they're worshipping him all the way over there or something, reaping rewards from it sorta like the Vaal in path of exile

Which is a game I think DE might be tempted to reference given that they're already doing the whole evil Mesoamerican civilization thing, although theirs seemed more Aztec related

But it would also be strange to stray too close so idk, just thinking out loud since that's a game that does come to mind when I think cool Mesoamerican inspired stuff

[smoky solstice]

Anyway so what's this line about

[strange plinth]

grineer lancer synthesis
i knew it couldn't be completely new
its broken up, not as one complete quote. but its there

[glacial bough]

Ah, that's why I don't remember it. Also clears up why it's talking about

[smoky solstice]

Wait

What the hell is this

[feral cape]

Chroma

[smoky solstice]

No but it's the same signature that produces this line

That line clearly mimics the "hushed and empty" line

Also, Chroma is not a Tenno, but maybe that was an interchangeable term at the time (feels like something that should've been changed though)

[feral cape]

Tenno is a faction aswell as a child

[smoky solstice]

In terms of the voice I mean

[feral cape]

Warframes are tenno (faction)

[smoky solstice]

Yeah but I mean it's not referring to the Warframes, the Warframes are just the weapons

The children are the Tenno. It doesn't even make sense with the Warframes, Tenno is from Ten-Zero (at least I assume)

Nah but seriously why is Simaris detecting a Tenno signature on a Sentient line? He'd know if it was Sentient, no? This is so confusing

[feral cape]

Tenno is a faction

"Tenno origin" means warframe

[strange plinth]

to someone who knows the difference, yes
but tenno/warframe is indistinguishable to most, especially at the time of new strange
my first thought for what the thing of tenno origin was also chroma, but i'd need more quest context to say for sure
do you have to build something to get farther at that point? i don't remember

[tall echo]

Tenno is regularly used to refer to frames because most characters don't actually know the difference

[feral cape]

The relays are tenno (faction) owned

Lotus is tenno (faction)

Star Child is tenno and tenno (faction)

[smoky solstice]

Ok wait a minute

The New Strange... is it ever really concluded? It's like "oh this Chroma seems to be controlled by something, we don't know what"

Since it was going after the same Arcane Codices we heard the voice from

[glacial bough]

It was yes. New Strange was the preclusion of the introduction of the Sentients

[smoky solstice]

Then we scan it, it's gone, Simaris tells us he'll continue to look into who was piloting Chroma there, and do we ever get a conclusion to that?

[glacial bough]

Explicitly no, narratively yes

[smoky solstice]

Who

Also is the implication that the recording is Chroma like slaughtering Grineer, activating an Arcane Codex for the voiceline of the Sentient, then it goes right back to slaughtering?

But seriously who is piloting it?

[stiff fable]

That Chroma is infested faction at least.

[high bay]

Uber goofy goober power scaling question: who wins, dealer’s choice of Warframe or Adam Smasher(Cyberpunk 2077)

[glacial bough]

Frames

Warframe operate exponentilally higher

[feral cape]

This is a time warframes win

I cant quite think of a sci fi that's in warframes weight class there either too heavy or too light

[severe whale]

does this mean the on lyne crew were cloned and not mutated

[glacial bough]

They were, yes

The Coda are clones of them, to be specific

[humble sierra]

There's also a Kim chat with Aoi about it

[severe whale]

i just found that computer lmao

was it always there

[humble sierra]

Yep, since the start of 1999

[severe whale]

i really need to stop fast travelling then

[radiant pike]

"And I beheld a great Ram, and the horns of him were crowned with Sol, and with Tau. And upon his tongue, the Zariman flame. And the mighty daemon of the Void, cowered before him. And he feared it not."

Is the "mighty daemon" stated here the Man in the Wall?

[proper barn]

probably.

Also The Ram/Pazuul is crazy .

[normal mountain]

The demon of the Void is most likely the Tenno
We get called demons frequently

[proper barn]

no it's probably Wally

Pazuul is crazy.

[severe whale]

i was looking at the credits and there was a dev named wally

[restive river]

[radiant pike]

Also, is the "Zariman flame" a metaphor for Voidtongue or something similar or did it meet the Zariman at some point in time?

[restive river]

Wally is a fan term
but thats pretty funny

[bright temple]

mfw my yareli does kickflips over the scrap pile that was once smasher

[stiff fable]

Void energy, more specifically the Tenno powerset.

[neat heron]

is there multiple tennos in warframe lore. Like we have seen a (spoiler:)|| fallen one in the new war when we played as a greenair||||

[stiff fable]

Yeah the other Tenno are the other players

[north ferry]

I would say it's the Tenno, they have been described as a demon, not inaccurate.
More importantly, the Tenno is the active opponent to the Ram, so it fits some cooked up prophecy to depict the Rams conquest of their enemies.

Unless... God damn it, it's not Albretch again, don't make him responsible for the Archons as well..

[humble sierra]

Yeah the other players are canonically other Tenno, but the main story only happens to you

[stiff fable]

Luckily his only connection with the Archons was being asked to study the shards of any that fell during the Old War.

Erra created the Archons, according to Hunhow, by fusing shards to Warframe corpses.

[north ferry]

Oh thank goodness, here I was thinking the labs were full of shards because it was unsaid that he'd created them or something silly like that.

[barren jasper]

With 1999 I'm starting to fear that DE might be trying to rush new cool story concepts without fully thinking of how to connect it all together in the most coherent way possible.
Im just saying this due to the lack of explanation behind how the loop truly works and how we don't even know how we actually traveled back intime.

I'm loving the direction, I would just like the game to have more explanations behind the general world lore and how things work within it

[graceful swan]

But we do know how we travelled back in time “I will soon be able to send you to the city-state of Höllvania, in the plague year of 1999 - a most perilous time. Without your equipment, you would surely perish.

Luckily, the Vessels have a connection to Albrecht's "volunteers" that I believe I can exploit. You will not arrive unarmed, nor unarmored.

We won't be late!”

[barren jasper]

i would like a more in depth explanation other than "you can use transference on a frame in 1999" tbh

[lean garden]

The fun part is that they havent done that for previous lore either

[tall echo]

It is more in depth.

[barren jasper]

?

[tall echo]

You're getting linked into a frame generated in 1999 through a vessel, giving you an opportunity to get a more solid anchor by transferencing into arthur

[rare anchor]

🗣️ My name is Ballas, I made the warframes! It was difficult to put. the. pieces. together. But unfortunately something went so wrong! now i cant do anything but sing this stupid song! My name is Ballas! Ballas! Ballas! ~~~

https://tenor.com/view/my-name-is-edwin-i-made-the-mimic-secret-of-the-mimic-five-nights-at-freddy's-fnaf-songs-gif-11538357441626310536

[lean garden]

Thank you

[north jolt]

TBF Adam could probably put up a decent fight, but I'm definitely betting on frames

[smoky solstice]

hm ok

fair enough ig

but my point stands, that line about the eyes of day drinking the night or whatever, there's hella content here to expand on

introducing double meanings and stuff

that's the exciting part

and that's the fun part with warframe, I feel like there's the perfect balance between mystery and reveals, it's like each expansion you're expecting a lot of questions answered but also a lot of questions remaining, it doesn't feel like they're like holding back a bunch of things as a trick to keep you engaged, like some other pieces of media do

[lament stirrup]

According to Loids email, Albrecht was assigned to study the Archon shards during the old war, hence why he seems to have 5-8 of them per week.

[smoky solstice]

where tf are you getting 5-8 of them per week

with netracells and EDA, 5 is optimistic

[smoky solstice]

wait is this a fnaf reference or am I going crazy

also it is kinda crazy that there are actual parallels between the franchises

[lament stirrup]

Roll better, I guess?

[smoky solstice]

I mean like with premium rolls

2 from EDA and then max 3 from netracells

[rare anchor]

im mostly doing a reference to a fansong that became a meme because of how bad it is

[smoky solstice]

which one is that?

[rare anchor]

Jackies box

[smoky solstice]

never heard of it lol

I thought you were referencing it's been so long in there

[rare anchor]

its terrible and really funny

[smoky solstice]

and it's been so long is a banger I think

[smoky solstice]

is it something recent

[rare anchor]

made a few months ago iirc

[smoky solstice]

honestly I kind of tuned out of fnaf stuff since like fnaf 6 in terms of lore, because honestly the series went in a direction that I have trouble following

plus SB is such a trainwreck that it didn't make the lore aspect fun to even look into for me lol, but I still respect the franchise

[rare anchor]

fnaf shouldve ended with UCN

[smoky solstice]

fan games still provide something for the people who want some of that old fnaf taste at least

like the joy of creation remake seems insanely good just from the demo

[smoky solstice]

honestly the way I see it it kinda did. It was kinda like the New War of the fnaf franchise - one arc ending and another one beginning. Both still connected but going in a new direction

[rare anchor]

Heres what i was referencing if u search for it.. be warned.. its so bad that it becomes funny.

[smoky solstice]

I'm afraid

[tall echo]

Bird3

[smoky solstice]

he sells one

or is it one per day?

[north ferry]

Look. We're going to go to Tau and suddenly we're meeting actual aliens, and talked to these dudes called Guardians. We were expecting Sentients but hey, void shenanigans.

[smoky solstice]

what

[north ferry]

Random stupid ideas are fun

[smoky solstice]

ok this has to be ironic though no?

[rare anchor]

Sadly not.

[north ferry]

5 shards from luck, 1 from bird, 1 from Kahl I believe, Archon Hunt, potentially 1 from 1999 too

[smoky solstice]

oh god this comment is so good

I can't stop laughing

[rare anchor]

xd

The comments are amazing yeah

[smoky solstice]

well anything outside of netracells or EDA I don't count since it's not albrecht related really

[smoky solstice]

idk, I think this song is a social experiment, there's no way you use this beat, or even this sample, unironically

[rare anchor]

I looked everywhere to find some proof that it was ironic but i couldnt find anything

I can only assume its legit

OH LORD..

Ok this conversation has become off topic, ill stop xd

[smoky solstice]

yeah I thought a comment was joking about that

"oh my what have I done" has to be one of the best reactions I've seen to anything from a dev though

[pine stag]

What’s happened with Jade

[stiff fable]

How do you mean

[near anvil]

Could Alad make an Archon?

[stiff fable]

Honestly, probably yes

As much as I hate him he did manage to fuse Corpus and Sentient

And he managed to create a Warframe that the Infested Hivemind could control

[near anvil]

And did manage to reverse engineer Tenno tech a bit to make the Zanruka

[stiff fable]

Haha, not quite, he tore off a Warframe's armor and used it to cover a Corpus robot

[near anvil]

Eh true

Still he’s been a bit of well duffensmerching himself

But could be a good way to progress the Narmer/paszuul storyline

[stiff fable]

My dream is for Praghasa to become a star chart location

[near anvil]

Despite he’s constant screw ups, with the exception of Entrati he’s probably the smartest person in Sol

[stiff fable]

I actually believe it yes

He created the only cure for the Infestation that has ever existed in history (as far as we know)

[restive river]

I would kill for this

[stiff fable]

Kill Alad V

[restive river]

Wasn’t that cure used to then propagate it further???

[stiff fable]

Oh my god I hope the boss is Amalgam Alad V

[restive river]

Like he caused the techrot to advance even further with his “cure”

Lettie has a whole thing about it

[stiff fable]

Mmm maybe?

[restive river]

I’ll try to find it hold on

[lilac aspen]

The "cure" in question only delayed the inevitable and instead is turning them into warframes instead of like

Techrotting them

[stiff fable]

Man Lettie has all the good lore

[stiff fable]

From the game stuff at least my understanding was that he manually developed the general infestation to be able to infect non-organic material

[lilac aspen]

Basically imagine getting a cold.
This doctor, instead of giving you antibiotics, gives you super soldier serum that was made from the cold too.

[stiff fable]

And then when he cured himself of the infestation later the infestation "patched" his cure

[restive river]

Belladona ~{@
So we helped him inject the people of this city with his drug
Lined them up in our tents and that cabrón and I shot them full of it one after another
And the others kept the operation safe while we worked
Belladona ~{@
NOSOTROS CREÍMOS EN ÉL
We trusted him
¿Y por tan poco?
It seemed like it was working
The people we were shooting up weren't getting sick
The problem...?
Belladona ~{@
Everybody around them WAS
Do you know what "silent carriers" are?
Volunteered in an animal shelter one summer cuando estaba chiquita
Had all these raccoons
Couldn't release them, because they might be silent carriers of rabies
THEY looked healthy, seemed healthy, seemed normal...
Belladona ~{@
But if we let them go?
They'd infect everything they came across...
That's what we were doing to people
THAT'S WHAT HE WAS MAKING US DO TO PEOPLE
¡LO HIZO A PROPÓSITO!
This place is the edge of Mictlán POR SU CULPA

[stiff fable]

We're talking about Alad V not Albrecht lol

[lilac aspen]

Whoops

[restive river]

The techrot was already there, he made it worse

[stiff fable]

You too

We're talking about Alad V not Albrecht

[restive river]

Oh lol

[stiff fable]

[restive river]

Too many scientists working with the infested smh

[stiff fable]

I kinda wonder if Lettie's right about that though

[lilac aspen]

Yeah no
Salad V Tampered with the infestation to infect technology.
Or at least
The technology of their modern era like corpus stuff.

[stiff fable]

Eleanor and Arthur were already infected thanks to their underground explorations

[lilac aspen]

Or rather
Improved upon its ability on the infecting the tech

[restive river]

Didn’t he literally infect himself with the tech-specific strain he engineered??

[stiff fable]

Salad? I actually don't recall

[restive river]

I do think she is, at least about the silent carriers part
No idea why he’d speed along the techrot but it seems that he did

[stiff fable]

I wasn't around for his short-lived empire

[restive river]

Neither was I tbh

[lilac aspen]

Yeah he Infested himself
We even have an old event regarding us trying to help cure him of it

[restive river]

I joined in 2017
Left
Came back for good in 2019

[lilac aspen]

Which succeeded

[restive river]

He did cure himself since he’s fine in the new war

But now he’s maybe dead maybe not
I doubt he’s dead
Man is the definition of a cockroach

[stiff fable]

I think they might have already been carriers is the thing. Eleanor and Arthur were exploring the sewers and found the early techrot colonies. Arthur's team was Lettie, Aoi and Quincy

[lilac aspen]

Event where we mug Tyle Regor's labs to figure out cure ideas for Alad.

Nef anyo tried to convince us to destroy it instead.

Obviously more people like the Salad V man

[stiff fable]

So they would have been carriers BEFORE the plague burst out

[restive river]

The techrot was already around :p
I’m saying his “cure” spread it faster through those silent carriers

[graceful swan]

Definition of Last Gasp

[restive river]

Did he kill 3 enemies in time to survive?

[stiff fable]

That's just it, I think Lettie's missing a step

[lilac aspen]

Imagine Alad V returns with another event

"Tenno you gotta help me."

[stiff fable]

Albrecht didn't give them their original dose of infestation, they got that naturally

[restive river]

I agree

[stiff fable]

What Albrecht did was give them their first Helminth dose

[restive river]

Ye

[graceful swan]

Yeah he uses the frames he killed to revive himself in his program

[lilac aspen]

Yeah all the Hex got infected with Techrot

Albrecht gave them a "cure" (Helminth strain) and they survived the process

[restive river]

I’m saying his cure just spread the infestation faster among civilians by having silent carriers

[stiff fable]

Given what we know of how Helminthing works, it's actually not possible for them to be silent carriers

It was their gear carrying the Technocyte spores

[restive river]

Also

Belladona ~{@
So when he said the Techrot strain had mutated... and we were no longer safe...
Belladona ~{@
We lined right up
Like good little soldaditos

[stiff fable]

Yeah that part was a lie

[restive river]

I think it was a lie to some extent

[stiff fable]

They had survived the first round of injections so it was time for the second

[restive river]

I do think he mutated it through his silent carriers
And his plan was potentially to find suitable individuals to turn into partial Warframes

[lilac aspen]

Albrecht basically was getting people infected to then jab them with good Ole Helminth

As the Hex were not the first nor last people given Helminth
They're just the currently known Survivors to Us and themselves.

[restive river]

I don’t think the first is known

Just that Albrecht did make others into protos

[graceful swan]

He didn’t need to infect them to infect them

[stiff fable]

The other thing: Warframes stay sane with strong emotions or drives

Albrecht made them hate him to make sure they'd stay sane

[restive river]

True

Though I’m not sure he knew about that part

Ballas didn’t even utilize that until Umbra

[stiff fable]

I think he did, through his Duviri experiences

[lilac aspen]

Makes it easier to "treat" a person if they're sick.

As a healthy person prolly wouldn't accept a mystery funny juice shot.

[restive river]

Kullervo? :o

[graceful swan]

I remember when people used to say Albrecht did nothing wrong

[stiff fable]

Possibly, but I'm actually guessing the paradox

[restive river]

Elaborate

[stiff fable]

The Drifter lost a LOT during the loops

And some of their memories were getting shoved off into Thrax

[lilac aspen]

Albrecht was detonating a nuclear reactor to repeat the 31st of December to prevent the indifference from invading

That's why they haven't turned yet really.
Because it was a one day loop repeating.

[stiff fable]

Albrecht spent a lot of time talking with Thrax and learned a bunch about the Deep Void and other things

Like how strong emotions change reality

[graceful swan]

I still hate when people call Thrax Rell

[lilac aspen]

Meanwhile the Drifter just punches the ground once and goes back an entire year.

[stiff fable]

haha

But the Indifference lost its anchor at least

Murmur hasn't shown back up in 1999

[near anvil]

For now

[stiff fable]

Then again, get close to the mall radios and rap tap tap

[lilac aspen]

"I need to detonate this reactor to rewind time."

Drifter looking at Thrax "Look what he needs to mimic a fraction of our power."

[near anvil]

I think the mall is gonna get expanded at some point

[stiff fable]

haha it's not QUITE that easy, the reactor blowing was to keep Wally out, presumably the loop was something else

Since we don't get a repeat of the reactor mission every December 31st

[graceful swan]

How can Wally Rap tap tap if he can’t Rap?

[stiff fable]

presumably Aoi smashes the control rods sometime in January

[stiff fable]

I mean Drake can't rap sooooo

[graceful swan]

Lettie got mad because she couldn’t die permanently

I don’t think she likes begin again

[near anvil]

I mean does Rap even exist in the current year of warframe?

[lilac aspen]

Because it's Albrecht I believe doing it
So when he confirmed Drifter had properly power of friendshipped everyone and could reverse time every new year's eve, no need to detonate the reactor.

OR
It still goes off but the Drifter just goes "Cool. BEGIN AGAIN!"

[near anvil]

Eh

Ether way it’s looping

[restive river]

The reactor never went off?
Like the only time it does is at the start of the quest before we arrive
The Drifter stops it both times as they gain control of the loop

[near anvil]

I do think that the time loop trigger is unique to drifter and only works in the right situation but that does leave me to wonder if Op has some kinda unique power

[stiff fable]

The Operator's power is "being a spooky void ghost"

[near anvil]

But entranti found his own way to loop by setting off the reactor using its momentary energy to power the next loop

[lilac aspen]

I saw a funny theory that the Operator embodies Spacial tomfoolery of the Void (Void Ghost stuff)

Drifter embodies the Time tomfoolery of the Void. (BEGIN AGAIN)

[restive river]

The loop existed regardless, that’s not what the reactor blowing was for??

Like he made the loop and needed the reactor to escape the loop
Not restart it

Without the Drifter the reactor does always explode
He was messing with us so we’d take control of the loop and save the Hex so we can power of love Wally

[lilac aspen]

Albrecht said that there was only one thing with the nessecary power to prevent the indifference from breaking through.

Looks at Reactor going critical
I wonder what that was.

[restive river]

And yet the reactor still doesn’t explode and we defeated Wally this time :p

[lilac aspen]

And then when the Drifter time looped

Loid said "Weird now instead of a single day, it's now looped the entire year."

[near anvil]

Ether way we can agree the doctor is a pain

[lilac aspen]

Because We're looping it now while befriending the Hex.

Which
Friendship and love is the Indifference's kryptonite.

[restive river]

Which he assumes is due to Albrecht and in a way it is, but the Drifter is likely what extends and definitely what resets the loop, taking it wholly back from Wally

[near anvil]

Eh

[near anvil]

I think it’s more that the indifference doesn’t understand friendship and love

[restive river]

You’re forgetting that it doesn’t explode during the quest???

Literally only explodes at the start before we arrive

[restive river]

It’s “the poison to his plan”
Also we literally used love to stop him in Whispers lmao

[near anvil]

Yes

Because in my opinion they don’t understand it

[lilac aspen]

And then time rewinds
Then we show up

And then We rewind it for once, which, because we're void weird, can rewind an entire year instead of a day

[restive river]

Yea
We rewound it before it could explode again

I don’t believe the reactor has anything to do with the loop beyond what Albrecht said, which was to break out of the loop
Which
The reactor always blows without us, so that was likely a lie

[lilac aspen]

Correct
Because when Albrecht was exposed, he himself only knew Indifference of himself

He opened himself to love Loid later on so the Indifference basically goes "Oh what is this!? It goes against my entire existence!"

[restive river]

He’s lying to us, making us hate him so we take the loop so we can save the hex so we learn that power of love.

[near anvil]

He’s got so many plans trying to know what entrati thinks is a bit of a challenge

[lilac aspen]

Tbh he has the vibes of
Absolute random outcome occurs that's positive
"That was all according to my plan."

[near anvil]

Also known as the rule of Tzeench

Hmm

[lilac aspen]

In a way
Gotta feel bad for Wally
Its knowledge and vibes only exist from an Albrecht who was in a dark phase of his life

That or Wally was always messed up, in which I don't feel bad for it.

[near anvil]

I do hope that we can somehow save the hex from 1999, imagine if Amir meets Ordis

[stiff fable]

Albrecht is explicitly throwing things at the (man in the) wall to see what sticks

[near anvil]

That and the Orikan in general also “hurt” wally

[lilac aspen]

Wally even admits
We (Drifter/Operator) were the only person to ask it. Everyone else stole.

[stiff fable]

We saw the Power of Love boot Wally from the Vessel during Whispers, Albrecht needed to talk face to face with Wallsalka to even guess

[near anvil]

Hmm I think it would be interesting if wally makes his own Frame for a body

[lilac aspen]

Albrecht figured it out the second Wallloid was trying to act out Loid getting abused by Albrecht to hurt him rather than rizz up Albrecht.

[stiff fable]

Yeah

[stiff fable]

I think he's running with the Vessels inst--

.....hm. whose Vessel is Wally inhabiting?

I wonder if it's also Arthur's?

Or is each one separate and unique?

[near anvil]

Although it’s not like Albrecht can go back to his lab, Tagfur is gonna have at him

[lilac aspen]

Inb4 the final battle with Wally is the Drifter hitting it with an invite to dinner.

[near anvil]

Final battle is on the zaramin at the table where drifter and op have dinner

[restive river]

I’m fully expecting Wally to pull out our parents at some point

[stiff fable]

Albrecht made a copy of his lab in Duviri and is apparently carrying it with him somehow

[lilac aspen]

Ah yes
KIM update
New person
"Wally"

[stiff fable]

oh my god please

[restive river]

Cause they are void angels and there’s a non-zero percent chance we’ve already fought them

[lilac aspen]

Void tomfoolery
It does not obey logic at all

[restive river]

Can you source this cause
What :O

[near anvil]

Yeaaah

We know he’s been to the land of tales

But the other bit I’m not sure on

[restive river]

Dude is just evil doctor who if true

[near anvil]

Ooooh random idea Wally makes Ballas’s corpse into a frame for him to puppet

[stiff fable]

It's mentioned in the Duviri logs. Albrecht commissioned a laboratory that was a copy of one he had outside Duviri and it vanished with him when he vanished.

[lilac aspen]

Really all of this could of been avoided if Albrecht just

Didn't work so hard on trying to prove to everyone that the Void existed?

[near anvil]

To be fair that lab could have needed Albrecht to exist since it’s not in the orignal duvri book

[stiff fable]

Yes. But also the Orokin era would have lasted forever.

[lilac aspen]

True
And we wouldn't have cool people
Like Khal

[restive river]

Interesting

[stiff fable]

There are things in Duviri that aren't in the books. Kullervo, for example, and his whole island. The Vagrant.

[restive river]

*that the void was useful
They already knew it existed.

[stiff fable]

The mausoleum of dolls

[near anvil]

Yes but he’s still in duvri

Albrecht isn’t

[stiff fable]

Kullervo isn't

The last prison is broken. The goose is loose.

[restive river]

Albrecht was in Duviri a long long time ago

Like during the old war :p

[near anvil]

Eeeh

[stiff fable]

Time has much less of a meaning in the Void. Remember, the Operator helps the Drifter after the Drifter helps the Operator after the Operator helps the Drifter....

[lilac aspen]

Yeah
Time and space
Reality itself

All the rules are out the window with the void

[restive river]

Yes, but relative to the Orokin system it was still during the old war :p

[near anvil]

Some of the Orikan Void towers look like they could make good weapon models

[restive river]

Albrecht went to Duviri sometime before or during the old war and came back while the old war was still occurring
How long he spent there? Who knows
When exactly he went? No idea beyond what I stated

[near anvil]

Yeah time in the void is different

The rate it flows is in flux

[lilac aspen]

"You can't just shoot a hole into the surface of mars Wally with a void tower" - Samuel Hayden Albrecht Entrati.

[near anvil]

But it’s funny

[native sorrel]

Hi, folks. I started playing Warframe a few weeks ago and I'm having a lot of fun, but I'm confused by the story. I feel like there was a prologue I missed, or some novel preceding the game I should've read first. Does the story ever get explained in the game itself? Are there things I should be doing in-game to understand what's going on that I haven't been doing? Does it just take a long time to get to the point where explanations are given?

I know that I'm an "operator" and controlling a "Tenno" or "Warframe", and that there's some lady bossing me around, and there's these bad guy at whom she tosses me to kill. But anything else is a big question mark.

Spoilers follow
||I kept on expecting that the game's world would be explained to me. Today, I had to go to the void for the first time in order to fulfill a Europa Junction requirement. I encountered a new faction, the corrupted, at which point I threw up my hands in frustration and just assumed nothing ever gets explained. I have no idea what the void is, nor why there's a heart on Deimos connected to it that's needed for Tenno to work. Nothing has been explained about who the Grineer or Corpus are, or what the infestation truly is, or what this new corrupted faction is, or why everything in the solar system is so awful right now.||

||I don't even know what I am. I'm an operator, which is obviously not a warframe, because I can switch between them. But am I controlling them from afar? Am I inside them? If I'm inside them, I'm obviously not humanoid, because the forms of them are so drastically different that it'd be impossible to plop a human inside every single one. Am I even corporeal? Am I Orokin? Were they aliens or humans? Should I even care what they were? Or should I give up on trying to understand the world and just focus on the gameplay and loot?||

||The opening video implied that the warframes were gone, and then somehow one, and only one warframe was awakened (which I'm apparently controlling). But then there's suddenly thousands of other warframes all over the place. And who is this lady bossing us around? Why are we following her orders? For all I know, she could be a bad guy getting me to kill all the other bad guys so she can be top dog.||

I'm completely fine with in media res, but I've been playing Warframe for 63 hours and still have no idea what's going on. Does the game ever explain things to me?

[near anvil]

The short answer

A decent amount of the is explained ether in story or lore logs you find

[near anvil]

You will learn as you play

Or read the lore logs you find

[lilac aspen]

Space mom taking care of Void-infused war orphans who pilot meat-metal puppets against Cloned soldiers, greedy people, and the flesh that hates.

Is a brief summary of what I can give you without spoiling everything. You will understand it the more you play the quests and find stuff too.

[near anvil]

If you want I can do a spoiler free condensed explanation

[native sorrel]

Where do I find these lore logs? I'm scanning those glowing blue things I come across, but I only have info about a couple of planets from them, and each is just an image with a couple of sentences at the bottom.

[feral cape]

Except logic

[feral cape]

As it stands some lore is forever gone locked away in tactile alerts cataloged at orokin archive .net

You can find logs by scanning cephalon fragments completing synthesis imprints a bunch of other stuff

[native sorrel]

Is there any way to know which lore I'm ready to read at that website you mentioned? Or is it just a crapshoot as to whether or not I'll be spoiled?

Cephalon fragments are those glowing blue things? I don't believe I've come across synthesis imprints yet.

[near anvil]

If your still not sure people here are more than willing to explain

[feral cape]

There is no way to know

Synthesis imprints are from simaris

[near anvil]

And then argue with each other like any fandom with lore

[lilac aspen]

Synthesis imprints is Cephalopon Simaris stuff

[feral cape]

There's 8? Imprints i belive

2 of them are a connected story the others are one offs

[lilac aspen]

Then there's doing the main and side quests, which explains some stuff too

[feral cape]

The story of the creation of the original primary antagonist

The origin of grineer as a fighting force

Random maybe corpus people

The origin of acient healers

The after math of the nag drums incident

The aftermath part 2

Some else

[native sorrel]

I see.

Thank you. I appreciate you taking the time to help out this noob.

[stiff fable]

The story largely starts with the Second Dream quest

[feral cape]

Scotty what quest are you upto rn

[stiff fable]

Before that it's "Stuff happening without context". There's a reason for this which will start to make sense once you clear the Second Dream quest.

[near anvil]

For faction lore
Grinneer are clone fighting force thats degrading
Corpus are ultra capitalists
Corrupted are poor fools that have been taken over by Orikan security tech
Orikan are just the new upper class of humanity or were
Infestation is a techno organic plague

[native sorrel]

I don't think I currently have a main quest. Right now, my primary goal is "Saturn Junction (Jupiter)". The last quest I completed was "Heart of Deimos".

[feral cape]

Okay

[stiff fable]

Yep keep going

[feral cape]

Well there's a major reveal in the second dream

[stiff fable]

Second Dream unlocks during Uranus

[near anvil]

Basically

[feral cape]

No basically

[near anvil]

Get to second dream and the story starts proper

[lilac aspen]

Orokin are people who see themself as gods. They're beyond upper class.

||Parvos is what would be upper class.||

[stiff fable]

The joke that isn't actually really a joke is that the entire game up to Second Dream is the tutorial or prologue

[feral cape]

Why the universe sucks is revealed in the natah irrc then a bunch of stuff gets revealed in tsd

[stiff fable]

Nouveau Riche

[near anvil]

I’m simplifying it for Scotty

[native sorrel]

Okay. Thank you. MHBlacky's videos kept saying "The story is great starting at Uranus," but I guess he should've said "The story starts when you get to Uranus."

[feral cape]

There both upperclass parvos is insanely rich he just chooses to spend and show his wealth differently

[stiff fable]

It's a side effect of how Warframe was developed

[feral cape]

He blew up new York a couple times over just to send a message

[stiff fable]

The company was completely broke when they started making the game

[lilac aspen]

DE did a gamble and it was the mother of all Nat 20s

[stiff fable]

The full initial release was basically version 0.4alpha for any other game

[native sorrel]

I see.

[lilac aspen]

Man
Speaking of Lore

Lavos is goated

[stiff fable]

maybe now people will stop saying primes were the originals

Oh who am I kidding WF players don't read

[civic walrus]

Ok who would win in a fight rhino prime modded or Asta from black clover

[stiff fable]

A level 1 Grineer marine could wipe Black Clover

[near anvil]

Warframe scaling is scuffed

[civic walrus]

Fr

Asta dpsnt stand a chance against rhino

[lilac aspen]

The fact DE said not all primes were the original beforehand but then had to double confirm it with Lavos

[near anvil]

Hell even 40K in a 1v1 with warframe struggles

[silk atlas]

Varzia rolling in her grave

[near anvil]

Also next primes are yerial and caliban right? If they stick to release order?

[near anvil]

But she’s alive

[lilac aspen]

The Chaos Gods when Wally would just make itself right at home with them (its indifferent towards them)

[stiff fable]

Correct. Styanax after Caliban.

But they could play silly buggers and do Styanax first

[lilac aspen]

Rolling in Maroo's bed*

[near anvil]

Hmm Woudnt caliban be the youngest frame? With the exception of revenent and Xaku due to the wierdness of thier origns

[stiff fable]

Revenant is, technically

[silk atlas]

"Excalibur was the first"

Oh wait youngest not

I'm smart.

[stiff fable]

Caliban is an Old War frame that happened to be fighting on the other side

[near anvil]

Caliban was made by erra during the old war

[stiff fable]

actually it's technically the Child

but actual spoilers and there's a new player here so shhhhh

[lilac aspen]

Caliban just a silly guy

[stiff fable]

I like the detail that his helmet was different in the Old War

[near anvil]

Caliban should get a ram themed head

[lilac aspen]

Give Caliban the Archon theme heada

[near anvil]

I wonder if DE just watches these convos and make notes

[lilac aspen]

DE
GIVE ME MORE TAU LORE AND MY LIFE IS YOURS!

[civic walrus]

Ok hear me out rhino va goku is a stale mate

[near anvil]

“DE: tau has a sun”

[civic walrus]

If u disagree with me ur crazy

[lilac aspen]

Goku vs Sun Wukong

[silk atlas]

Goku isn't stupid enough to hit Rhino when he casts Iron Skin the second time.

[civic walrus]

Bro even if he hits him the first time he ain't ever breaking that over guard again

[humble sierra]

Goku is known for his stupidity, wdym

[civic walrus]

Cause u know goku going all out on the first attack

[silk atlas]

He's not battle stupid.

[silk atlas]

Literally when has he ever done that.

[lilac aspen]

Super has done irrefutable damage to Goku's intelligence

[civic walrus]

Think about it all u got to do is stage it make goku look at him a strong enough to handle his ultra instinct cause goku pretty stupid

And boom stalemat

[lilac aspen]

Goku would only punch Rhino at max power if Rhino told him to actually go all out.

[civic walrus]

And rhino would def do that

We don't talk about the 4th ability cause it won't do anything to goku

[silk atlas]

Even if Goku does hit pretty hard in the first hit, he can just... do it again. He's not going to throw absolutely every single ounce of power at once because, even if he wants to go all out, he's not going to just throw away all his strength for a hail marry frame one.

If you wanted that you'd bring in Vegeta

[lilac aspen]

"Nice stomp so hard you freeze time move. Now watch this. AAAAAAAAAAAAAA!"

[civic walrus]

Lol

Just posted a comment under a YouTube short saying sung for sololevaling couldn't beat rhinoprime with mods I can't wait to see what people say

[lilac aspen]

The fact Lavos was just a Warden
But the Orokin gave him matter tomfoolery to execute the alchemist

[silk atlas]

The short saying that or you

[lilac aspen]

"He blobbed the Alchemist!"

Turning Alchemist into snake instead

[civic walrus]

Me

[civic walrus]

Me

[silk atlas]

I have no clue how smart Sung is but given your thoughts about Goku I can't imagine it's pretty.

[chrome rivet]

Do you think it's possible for the Operator to be trained in using melee weapin themselves like Drifter?

Yes I know they have Void powers

But it's just a thought that I have

[lilac aspen]

Yes but they're still like
A young teen

So while they could totally wield a weapon
I'm not expecting them to be an effective fighter

[proper barn]

Like nobody said they are like a child but also secondarily why would we do that when the warframes are our melee and shootness.

[chrome rivet]

Again. Just asking.

Maybe if they can't pull out their Warframe for some reason

[lilac aspen]

Void beam

Now if they lost void powers
Well then they're in trouble to a degree

[feral cape]

Not really this is assuming there's no upper limit to iron skin goku has caused infinite spaces to shake in a clash with beerus he's simply shattering through the iron skin

[feral cape]

Relatively intelligent he manages an army of shadow soldiers with varying levels of independence also he has countless eons of battle experience

After merging with the monarch of shadow

[feral cape]

I dont think atlas could hit asta from all the stuff I'm looking at apparently he has feats making him billions of time faster than light

Other stuff is saying 4-500 times faster

Im consistently seeing asta is faster than light just to varying degrees

[civic walrus]

Ok rhino prime could tank gokus hits if modded correctly of course and he could tank Asta hits that's why we have shield gating

[feral cape]

That's again assuming iron skin has no upper limit

Also even if atlas could tank astas hits he has no way of fighting back

Oh you said rhino for both

Oh yea also because dbz is a series that uses Canon multipliers for its form for some reason goku is 118 octillion times faster than light

[silk atlas]

He can tank 3 seconds of Goku beat down.
Then Goku does another 3 seconds of beat down and then the Iron Skin is gone.

[feral cape]

That's my primary issue with any defense that scales based on enemy damage

Its hp should really just be measured in seconds of enemy fire

Because believe it or not if he did 14 billion damage in 3 seconds he's doing 14 billion more in the next 3

[civic walrus]

And that's alot of over sheild

So that why I'm saying as long as rhino has energy it's a stalemate

[lilac aspen]

Okay but Jade just instantly wins any battle.

You wouldn't hit a pregnant woman

......
Unless you're Yujiro Hanma

Who would somehow bypass any Warframe talent by just going "Oh Iron Skin? That's a simple party trick really."

[feral cape]

And I'm saying your wrong because you assume iron skin has no upper limit

[civic walrus]

That would be the case there no limit

Cause it scales

Of dammage

Unless I was reading it qrong

[feral cape]

You're just assuming it can absorb any damage that there is no amount of damage that can simply cause the conversion mechanism to fail

When battle boarding the limit of something is either it's displayed limits or what it's mathematical limits are since rhinos iron skin posses no way to at all calculate a mathematical limit the limit is what is shown

[civic walrus]

Your getting to technical

If it's not listed then it dosnt excist in that sence

[feral cape]

That's literally battle boarding

[civic walrus]

So if we take it as is in warframe it's a stalemate

No one will win

[feral cape]

Also goku can just blow up deimos and then win

[civic walrus]

Hey now how he gonna get to seimos

[feral cape]

Flying

[civic walrus]

If he dosnt know it exsists

[lilac aspen]

Lore wise
I have no clue the limit to Rhino
Granted he is still merely a metal flesh Puppet, no warframe is limitless just really strong. Demigod like.

But Goku is literally godlike too.

[civic walrus]

If we use qarframe logic it's a stalemate

Bettwr

[feral cape]

Also goku I believe in the manga has incomplete hakia an attack that erases you from existence

So like iron skin isn't defending from that

[civic walrus]

That would be true but does goku know that move

[lilac aspen]

In my opinion Goku would appear to stalemate but then just
Literally punch faster.

If he punches Rhino quick enough before he can consciously do Iron Skin again, that's it. It's wraps.

No Hakai haxs needed.

[civic walrus]

I don't think he does

[lilac aspen]

Manga Goku almost hakai'd Zamasu from existence (it was slow because he hadn't mastered it so it was slowly deleting him) but Zama grabbed onto what's her name to force Goku to stop.

[feral cape]

Also anime goku punched into the future

[lilac aspen]

Essentially it's not really a stalemate if Rhino is just a punching bag.

That might get broken inevitably if he doesn't have a way to stop Goku.

[feral cape]

Also goku has broken dimensions with sheer strength iron skin is not holding up

[civic walrus]

Nevermind u ruined the thought

Ur taking thing to literally and all the technical atuff

[silk atlas]

This is literally what powerscaling is.

You're the one who brought up the fight in the first place.

Not even Warframe logic lets Rhino let him live

[feral cape]

I'm John battle boarding i mostly do destiny though because the cosmology is interesting but like people pit warframe and destiny against eachother because mmo scifi so i know warframe

[proper barn]

Oh destiny.

[feral cape]

It all arrives the same

[lean garden]

-# be seeing you

Everybody also be forgetting that rhino got got during tnw so like big whoop iron skin

[smoky solstice]

john battle boarding?

[feral cape]

John is a generic name

[smoky solstice]

yeah but what is the meaning in this sentence

I think I missed some context here

[feral cape]

Like if a guy presented himself as an expert on something one might sarcastically respond with "oh we've got John ____ over here"

[smoky solstice]

oh that's how you meant it

john warframe memes I think are starting to affect my personal life

[feral cape]

It might only be a phrase where I'm from

[smoky solstice]

also what is the convo here

or what was the convo at least

oh it's rhino v goku

[lilac aspen]

Sorry
I am not Nobody

My true name is John Warframe

[smoky solstice]

bluprint's video where coolkid is just spectating him run excalibur with braton lato and skana in e prime is just so good

[restive river]

This you???

[smoky solstice]

I think the arthur version has to be like jack warframe or something, an edgy twin brother, ak and vesper over braton and lato you know?

[calm osprey]

The Drifter has the power to rewind time as they please right

[feral cape]

No

You can rewind time in 1999 that's it

Albrecht entrati had already established a timeloop within 1999 through unknown means he transferred the loop to you and you somehow extended it

[calm osprey]

Huh

Also do we know what the giant mechs in the labs are for and what’s gonna happen with them

[feral cape]

Weapons probably fight wally

[restive river]

Def to fight Wally

[restive river]

It’s unknown if he transferred it to us purposefully though it probably was his plan to push us far enough that we would take control and extend it

Which we extend it so we can know the Hex
And thus save them
And thus have the power of love

[chrome rivet]

So I don't really use Gyre a lot

Can someone tell me the difference between her and Volt's electrical powers?

[high bay]

How much of a money printer would it be for DE if they made physical books that had all the lore from a given topic or set of related topics and made said lore understandable?

[lament stirrup]

In terms of story or in terms of gameplay? Because this is #lore-discussion

[chrome rivet]

Story

Cause Yareli and Hydroid are water themed frames, but different ways of doing it

[humble sierra]

Volt is more natural lightning

Gyre is more artificial Electricity like Tesla coils and whatnot

[lament stirrup]

We don't have any Volt lore, but Gyre was made from the dancer Gyra, and Gyre's heavy mechanical/lightning themeing implies the Orokin had Gyra specially modified for her role. That or they worked her like a machine.

That Ballas made Gyre based off Gyra implies she survived until the Zariman returned to the origin system, though its unclear if she was still sane when it happened.

[feral cape]

It doesn't imply that really ballas can just remember what people were like

He doesn't have dementia

[lament stirrup]

I've been working off the assumption the first Gyre was made directly from Gyra.

[calm osprey]

I know Albrecht was like “hmmm… to fight Wally, I need a Warframe… but bigger” and then made the Anatomicas

[smoky solstice]

oh wait the "it began with us" line isn't referring to the Orokin at all

I mean I knew it referred to the wanderlust but I thought he was also referring to the Orokin there, but he distinctly mentions that it began before the Orokin existed, so the "us" is just referring to humans in general

[tall echo]

Saryn (prime) is based on margulis, doesn't mean he used marg to make her

[tall echo]

Vessels

[lament stirrup]

I'm pretty sure the "field of flowers" he mentions in Saryn'd trailer are the Tenno? Regardless, Margulis was different from ordinary people in Ballas' mind. All the warframes he made post-Zariman return were inspired by her since they were meant for the Tenno.

[tall echo]

I'm not awake enough for that kind of logic yet

[maiden rapids]

What exactly is the indifference?, I know is tied to the man in the wall

[smoky solstice]

it is the man in the wall

just a different name for it

[feral cape]

The same dude

Like how I'm both mediocre and delta just depends who you ask

Or sometimes I'm my actual real name

[smoky solstice]

lame

[lean garden]

I dont think that is a workable assumption to have. Quinn might remark that gyre's dancing resembles gyra, but its pretty heavily emphasised that only children survived the zariman incident

[odd dust]

Leaving this here to say Warframe in my opinion with it's lore needs to be preserved and celebrated for how significant it is to culture, understanding of both the human condition and reality itself; beyond all personal ideological boundaries.

Im really in awe for the devs and writers being able to come up with it, not to mention the amazing visuals and music that carries the content together.

Still mindblown, especially after digging deeper into each update.

[restive river]

Check out the Orokin Archives, GrayArchon is doing a great job at archiving Warframe :)

[tall echo]

Woh

Seeing the clan leader outside of the clan discord is quite a surprise

[lilac aspen]

Stop leaking my info smh

[proper barn]

When someone is being very heartfelt we gotta let it be.

[graceful swan]

It’s not leaking your info if you leaked it yourself

[woven trench]

Whats a good way to survive with excal umbra?

[proper barn]

Gloom

And adaptation.

This is lore though.

[golden matrix]

Hello! Just finished Hex Quest!
one question tho... Are the Man in the Wall and the Indifference the same?

[tall echo]

Yes

The lidless eye also is

[golden matrix]

ohhh thank you!! I got surprised when the Indifference spoke during the quest, it was a female voice. There I thought it was different to the Man in the Wall. HAHAH

[tall echo]

It uses the voice of whoever it's using the appearance of

[lean garden]

Thas cuz its using rusalka's voice too

[humble sierra]

Yeah it was using the voice of Rusalka rather than your Operator

When does Drusus talk about the Indifference? Dante's Leverian?

[chrome rivet]

Wait so confirm this for me
Lettie was tricked by Dr E into injecting people with the strain that turns people into Protoframes?
Under the guise of something like a vaccine for the Techrot?

[tall echo]

Getting turned into protos was a voluntary thing albrecht offered himself

[chrome rivet]

Huh

I thought I saw a reddit post about Lettie's meeting with Entrati

I haven't read that or gotten it

Care to explain the whole thing, please?

[tall echo]

Albrecht had a "vaccine" that just removes symptoms while still having people spread the techrot (according to the biased lettie) and offered "more"(=getting turned into protos) to volunteers. That second part is from his lab notes dropped by whispers in the sanctum

[chrome rivet]

And where does Lettie fit it this?

[strange turtle]

He’s HIM

[tall echo]

Read again

[chrome rivet]

Hmm so Lettie also believe it was a vaccine as wel at the time?

[tall echo]

Yes

It is also possible that it really was a vaccine since we know that infestation can spread pretty far by itself through spores

[thick viper]

https://tenor.com/view/i-will-never-apologize-to-him-zac-zatima-i-will-never-say-sorry-to-him-i-refuse-to-apologize-to-him-gif-221128260404663720

[burnt light]

Think everyone in the Hex hates him to a certain degree, think even you can hate him

[tall echo]

Who you referring to, albrecht or wally?

[burnt light]

Albrecht

Wally think his hated already

[tall echo]

Most hex openly hate him except aoi and amir

[tall echo]

They didn't even know about wally until the 1999 quest

[thick viper]

ye but that's because they're candide

[loud cedar]

1999 is peak

[tropic mortar]

I am a bit out of the loop in the lore regarding Duviri, could someone clear up some things for me?

Is Duviri located inside the Void or outside of it, somewhere in the bubble in the Origin System or like the Zariman itself, trapped in the... Albrecht membrane, was it?

Furthermore we know that Albrecht himself visited it as do the Corpus with the purpose of trading with them due to some offhand lines by Solaris workers, but do we know how they can access it in the first place?

[woven coyote]

The corpus lines are outdated and possibly never refferred to actual drifter duviri

[woven coyote]

Same difference as actual great brittain in the real world and brittanica in warframe, or other fictional stories that use irl names of places

[tall echo]

The lines are also apparently removed

afaik

[woven coyote]

Its what i meant with outdated

[tropic mortar]

It really feels like they scrapped the original Duviri concept halfway through.

[graceful swan]

They did it went through multiple rewrites and changes

[tropic mortar]

That is a shame, I would have liked to see the original iteration.
Maybe Steve will cook something up for Soulframe.

[lean garden]

Duviri is located within the void according to the pom-2 logs

[tall echo]

And there's also the fact that it's behind the zariman. In the void. And conceotually embodied. Which can only happen in the void.

[stray herald]

I wish there was more lore about the techrot’s origin

[graceful swan]

Did you check the PC is Aoi’s shop?

[stray herald]

Didnt it only talked about the boy band clones’ origin?

[graceful swan]

Infested lore is infested lore

[stray herald]

I wish there was more lore about the techrot’s origin

I mean ~1999 is the plague year. Something happened and the techrot is created

The only new info we got from the pom pc chat is that the hex members are also carriers

[graceful swan]

Gregory’s meddling might’ve caused it to exist not just the band clones

[stray herald]

He might need to vent

For freddy

[graceful swan]

Since 1998 seems to be the first cases which then led to 1999 breakout of cases

[stray herald]

Didnt albrecht come in 1997?

[graceful swan]

When he first went is never stated he’s just been multiple times so possibly

[stray herald]

I think that was also from pom pc

May we get more info on techrot in march ig

[graceful swan]

Maybe

[tropic mortar]

I wish we could get more information on Hollvania in general, it is probably one of my favourite fictional nations.

[graceful swan]

You get loads of info on it in the daily chat convos

[tropic mortar]

Not nearly enough for my taste.

[thick viper]

just think that is a semi-london from 1999 with terrible taste in army choices

[north ferry]

Digital Extremes create the techrot in some sort of bizarre metanarrative. /j Alternatively maybe Dark Sector, which is not Warframe's universe, explains it.

I do consider Hollevania equivalent of a post soviet bloc state, but perhaps it is more like London, Canada.

[tall echo]

Höllvania is very europe-coded

[lilac aspen]

If I recall from what I have figured out
Techrot just

Happens

Literally the best I can explain
It's 1999's Covid-19

If Covid-19 grew legs and figured out how to throw hands/tendrils/speakers/darts/etc.

But then it got worse because other people meddled in its stuff to try to save money and stuff
So it evolved further

Then we showed up with our warframes and it evolved even more (Legacytes and their weird abilities)

[proper barn]

All the Hex are not from here

I would assume London and stuff is where Arthur and Elanor are from so it's not hollvanai.

[north ferry]

My jokes are always bad

[proper barn]

Oh cuz that's where DE is

London Canada.

[cerulean peak]

yo wth

wait wrong image

[woven coyote]

But then again aoi is from canata so that would also not be it

[charred patio]

what if
jade prime trailer is narrated by stalker and/or hunhow?

then again, what can even be a valid reason for making jade prime, story wise?

[scenic fossil]

Ballas

Thats enough reason as it is

[charred patio]

I mean, at the current point of the story, hes "dead"