lore-discussion

[lament stirrup]

I'm gonna keep it real with you. After Loid opened his arcane gambling parlor I haven't run a single tridolon.

[restive river]

In what way??
Cause
Xaku’s pretty special too

What are Nidus’ origins exactly?

[glacial bough]

Old War frame themed on Infestation

[brittle siren]

Xaku is not directly made by anyone

same with current Revenant

not him before jump into the lake

[restive river]

Yeah so I’m not really seeing how he’s special beyond he’s more infested than the already infested warcrimes we pilot

[glacial bough]

Possibly created by letting a frames fester with Helminth

[lament stirrup]

The Prime trailer implies Nidus was sent away for an unspecified length of time.
Besides that, the Helminth considering Nidus its master would implicitly suggested Nidus was one of the earliest frames created, since warframes are made from controlled Helminth

[restive river]

Okay but in what way do you mean special??

[glacial bough]

Yes, Nidus isn't particularly special

[brittle siren]

correction: it called all frame "master", Nidus is not the only frame Helminth called like that

[restive river]

Where is it suggested he’s it’s master?
Doesn’t it say that to every frame?

[lament stirrup]

Without the Helminth segment from son Entrati the Helminth only acknowledges Nidus as its master.

[brittle siren]

it really hard to explain, but it kinda like they was created in a unnatural way that not like the normal method

[restive river]

Unknown for Nidus
Caliban is only different in the fact he’s half sentient
And how does that not fit Xaku???

[lament stirrup]

Lotus' rework email confirms Caliban was made by Erra, making him one of the only warframes to not directly involve Ballas.

[brittle siren]

Xaku is not made by ANYONE

that the different, Xaku is 3 frames fuse into 1 when in the void. Nidus definitely create by Helminth and Caliban create by Erra

[restive river]

All frames were made by Helminth.
I’m also still failing to see how Xaku’s situation doesn’t make them special when it very much does, more than Nidus

[brittle siren]

again, Xaku is definitely not by Helminth puking them out

[restive river]

Except they are???
Where do you think the original pieces came from?

[brittle siren]

same with Caliban, sure he part Warframe, but he does come to life by Helminth

[brittle siren]

so Helmith is the one fuse them by your logic?

[restive river]

All warframes come from Helminth in some form

[restive river]

No
You’re not listening.

[brittle siren]

I'm listening, you did not

[restive river]

Xaku is composed of 3 frames that were lost on Entrati Void Expeditions
Their original pieces came from helminth and came together to create Xaku via the void

[restive river]

I’m trying to understand what warrants a frame’s origins to be special.

Afaik there are no details on Nidus’ origins
Caliban was made by Erra
Qorvex designed by Albrecht
Protea by Parvos and Ballas
What defines a special origin to you?

[north ferry]

They're all special. Something there is no favorite child.

(Except Harrow)

[brittle siren]

like for example, there is this cake recipe, normally ppl follow the recipe to make it (most warframe)
but someone like to change the method to make another kind of cake, that Nidus and Caliban
Xaku is 3 normal cakes smashing together with void energy

if we taking Drifter word, then Nidus can be assumed that he is full on infested and not made from a human host

he also the only frame can spread Helminth seed

[restive river]

That is such a leap in logic

It’s also such a leap that Nidus’ origins are special at all, afaik nothing really suggests he’s any more different than say Ash or Excalibur aside from the fact he’s more directly infested

[brittle siren]

then why DE add Nidus in that dialogue, surely it can't just not a coincidence that when Eleanor talking about how she heard Techrot voices when she just half warframe half human

they could just mention any other weird frame, heck Xaku is kinda canon to main quest since that the only way to get their BP, while Nidus has no lore and in the most side quest of all side quest

at least Mesa appear in the Alad V one

[restive river]

This more so implies that Nidus’ infestation is less tamed than the others
Thats all
Not that he was made without a human, to suggest that is a leap in logic.

[brittle siren]

fair enough tbh

[humble sierra]

I don't think the Helminth or any strain of the Infested can make something from nothing, just warps things into their Infested versions

[tall echo]

Modern infestation can take matter and reshape it into anything it wants. Techrot seems to be more primitive

iirc according to lotus dialogue lephantis was created by the infestation just consuming itself for a while and gaining mass through that

[restive river]

Lephantis was a weapon during the old war?

[tall echo]

I'm just repeating dialogue that I vaguely remember

[restive river]

Could you find it on the archives perchance?

Ah nvm i found it

Lotus: "Deep within this millennia-old Orokin-turned-Infested ship lurks a creature created to fight in the Old War. Make your way to its location and dispatch this monster."

Lotus: "Be wary. The creature has grown unfathomably strong through centuries of absorbing matter and self-replication."

So it was made for the old war as a weapon but absorbed matter and self-replicated in the time between then and now

[tall echo]

Ah, I only remembered the "grown" part of "grown unfathomably strong"

[restive river]

So strong you can only damage its faces when it conveniently reveals them :p

[tall echo]

And it seems to be funny with shotguns where if one pellet hits an immune part they all do nothing

Either that or my aim is much worse than I thought

[somber lantern]

is hunhow controlling the sentients that are following pazuul? in the second dream quest its explained that all sentients broken off from him are apart of a singular mind

[tall echo]

All large sentients can create fragments

[restive river]

I wonder what Lotus hasn’t made any fragments

Though perhaps she did during the sacrifice

[tall echo]

Mimics

[feral cape]

Which makes wonder why they attack us

[north ferry]

So, her hand kinda?

Which mimics?

[restive river]

The mimics during the sacrifice

[devout verge]

I mean, Lotus is descended from him, and directly opposes him. In fact, he is only really able to read her mind (and find the way to Lua) when she is making contact trying to read his mind.

Pazuul, being based on Erra, Lotus' brother, should be similarly distant from him.

Basically, there's a sliding scale from "literally a piece of Huntow, he talks through it", like the (original) War blade, all the way to "separate identity, all he has are some backdoor codes to bypass the firewall", even for his descendants.

[restive river]

There’s def a difference between sentient offspring and sentient fragments

Like a sentient can still make fragments when sterile but can’t make other sentients

[north ferry]

Now I think about it

They named themselves Sentients, but it feels like they're selling themselves short. Maybe they should be Sapients.

[strange plinth]

did they name themselves?
i've never questioned their name or where it came from, lol

[tall echo]

They did

[halcyon acorn]

I think I missed something. Do we know where Pazuul came from and how it latched onto Erra? I thought it was out of nowhere

[lament stirrup]

The Archon Hunt dialogue suggests he was made on Tau like the other sentient-beasts. How/why Pazuul became an Archon is unclear, though.

[north jolt]

Monke is most special

[north jolt]

Wait, isn't making fragments part of how they reproduce?

[lament stirrup]

We don't actually know how Sentient reproduction works, just that rail travel renders them sterile and kuva can cure their sterility

[restive river]

No, that’s separate
Fragments are a piece of that sentient
Reproduction is making a new sentient entirely
Reproduction is effected by void exposure
Fragmentation is not

[north jolt]

Ahh

[stiff beacon]

theres also a tablet in duviri mentioning a lephantis

but

[restive river]

Different lephantis

[stiff beacon]

it was a dude apparently

[restive river]

Yeah
Ambrosias iirc?

[stiff beacon]

which was a bit random

[restive river]

Its likely Lephantis the Infested weapon was named after whoever this Lephantis the person was

[stiff beacon]

or they were him

given one of the heads is an ancient

and ancients are implied to be orokin or just reallllllly old infested

[restive river]

I doubt he was an Orokin.

[glacial bough]

Ancients are not Orokin

[restive river]

That detail is about the 18th radiation war

[glacial bough]

Just old Infested

[restive river]

Also yeah the ancients arent orokin
Iirc they were lorists but im not sure about that

[glacial bough]

That was the healer

[restive river]

Yes it was

But anyway yeah I doubt Lephantis the person is Lephantis the infested

We don’t know when the 18th radiation war concluded and when the Orokin era started or even who exactly this Lephantis was

[hexed oxide]

just realized who this is and who they are speaking to

[stiff beacon]

seriously?

[hexed oxide]

it didn't click until after i completed the quest

and some more

[north ferry]

It didn't click until now for me.

tbf, I was probably distracted by other annoying thing.

[digital grail]

As soon as I heard kiddo I was turning my head

https://tenor.com/view/kermit-muppets-slow-turn-shaking-my-head-shakes-head-gif-13105902

[north ferry]

Oh

I'm sure someone has put this together, but Archons give me Indifference vibes now I think of it. Plus almost the Tau content come from them and suddenly becomes relevant once Al brings it up in 1999

[lean garden]

but Archons give me Indifference vibes now I think of it
Explain

[north ferry]

There's lots of associations with the sense of self in Erra/Pazuul, lines kinda about giving up and giving in directed to Lotus. Which makes me think of Rusaka. Also in the archons, anger, betrayal, and similar pretty negative descriptions.
Also a line: "And upon his tongue, the Zariman flame."

[lean garden]

But are those actually indifference vibes or can we not already explain it with what we are already given about the archons?

[north ferry]

Yeah stretching.

[visual ermine]

The mercy point for Rusalka felt kind of weird to me after blowing through a couple hundred of her subordinates, tell the truth

[brittle siren]

Btw DE add in Star Day in Lettie birthday msg

Also, I heard Eleanor mention "Death" Lady in Lua side (Sol and Lua), so who is the figure on Sol side?

[graceful swan]

Would just be whoever is called death Orokin probably stopped caring about them ages ago

[graceful swan]

<@&778745217037238293>

[brittle siren]

What happened

[hollow siren]

spam

[graceful swan]

Scam

[brittle siren]

Slam

[sweet wadi]

As of now, what are the canonical romantic relationships we know of in warframe?

[hollow siren]

Like the current on-going ones?

[sweet wadi]

Yeah

[hollow siren]

Saya and Konzu, Biz and LD sort of, Kahl and Kaelli have a situationship

[sweet wadi]

I thought Biz was her mentor…

[hollow siren]

"Saw Biz and LD boarding her rail tractor, headed for parts unknown. Those two have a long history together. They'll figure things out, in their own way"

[sweet wadi]

Huh.

[brittle siren]

Also Unum and Gara kinda a thing

[hollow siren]

one of Ticker's Star Days dialogues

[brittle siren]

And Gauss, Grendel "friendship" wink wink

[sweet wadi]

Unum as in the giant god-tower?

[hollow siren]

well were, hence why I asked about it being current on-going ones

Gara is very much dead

[sweet wadi]

I asked for canon, not crackships

[hollow siren]

yes, Gara was her closest most loyal soldier who loved the Unum in a completely normal way

[brittle siren]

It not really cracked considering they literally in pair all the time, even Prime version

[hollow siren]

Gara willingly became a Warframe to protect the Unum forever

[sweet wadi]

There is nothing suggesting romantic interest though.

[hollow siren]

Dante and Drusus had something between them that's for sure

[sweet wadi]

Again, friendships != relationships. I was asking about canon, not speculation. Gara and Loid are both explicit enough to be obvious, for example.

[brittle siren]

Ah and Entrati with Loid

[sweet wadi]

Isn’t Varzia hinted at being into Maroo and Teshin?

[woven coyote]

Not hinted

She like gives a lot of details lol

[sweet wadi]

Do we want to count Mother and Father?

[brittle siren]

You sound like that historian that when he saw 2 skeletons of 2 man hugging in the grave and decided that "yep, definitely friend"
(No offence, it just remind me of that specific news)

[sweet wadi]

I mean just appearing with each other or talking fondly about someone is not the same as clear displays of physical affection.

[brittle siren]

Isn't Varzia see Tenshin as "Uncle"? Like she maybe only admired him not "crush" him or anything

[sweet wadi]

No she explicitly says she wants him to ‘pin her to a wall’

[silk atlas]

No lol

[woven coyote]

I dont want my uncle to slam me against a wall lol

[sweet wadi]

Or she does see him as an uncle and is into that

Varzia is kind of freaky

[woven coyote]

Lol

[brittle siren]

Knowing DE shipping a lot of couples during Pride Month (and support ships too), we may never know what Gauss and Grendel did during their private time wink /joke

[brittle siren]

Yeah that my point
You can simp anyone and fantasized about that person.

[sweet wadi]

… are Loid and Albrecht the only mlm couple?

[brittle siren]

For now

[woven coyote]

We also have male drifter with male hex

[sweet wadi]

DE really debuted their first gay man and he’s the posterchild for codependency, rip. /j

[brittle siren]

Btw it not really a lesbian couples, but the female Orokin and her husband does "liked" Dagath a lot

(When Dagath was a human)

[sweet wadi]

We are never told the Orokin couple’s genders afaik. But yeah there’s that toxic quagmire of a ‘relationship’.

It’s like they saw Balas with Margulis and took it as a personal challenge.

[brittle siren]

Well we have couples from Citrine story are male and females, and knowing Orokin they wouldn't let the gay exist among the high rank

Tbh I think Entrati and Loid was a secret love

[tall echo]

She jokingly calls him the operator's uncle

[sweet wadi]

Why not? I don’t recall anything mentioning them forbidding being gay, just relationships between castes.

[brittle siren]

Still, it more like she have fantasies about him, not actually "have crush on" him

[tall echo]

Same difference

[brittle siren]

Idk, Jade and Stalker love is enough to make them become Warframe
Even the Grineer Queens when they still an Orokin was also having discrimination on them because they are twins

[tall echo]

The grineer queens were discriminated against because they were twins, which reminded the orokin of their clone slaves

[sweet wadi]

Jade and stalker was an inter-caste relationship, the queens being twins offended them because they idealized being unique.

[brittle siren]

Orokin rules seemingly really strict, especially when used on the high rank

[tall echo]

The orokin would most likely only be against relationships that no high ranking orokin approved of

[sweet wadi]

That there is no taboo for it in 1999 or ‘modern day’ seems to imply, to me, that it’s just always been the norm in this version of history.

[brittle siren]

I'm just saying, based on what we know, it seem like their rules is really not that easy to breathe. In fact if Loid and Entrati love is public, why none of the Entrati family knowing that

[sweet wadi]

Loid is a servant, a lower caste

[brittle siren]

(Sorry for my bad english)

[sweet wadi]

Np

[brittle siren]

Fair, it still kinda make sense if they ban gay stuff

[tall echo]

Nothing even remotely suggests that homosexual relationships were illegal

[sweet wadi]

Also it’s not super clear what happened to Albrecht’s wife, so it’s possible it was also an affair?

[normal mountain]

Albrecht's wife left him iirc

[silk atlas]

Even better, the KIM dialogue suggests the idea of gender so far in the future is muddy as hell anyway

[sweet wadi]

Good for her tbh

[brittle siren]

From the story, my theory that she died when gave birth, since she does not appear in any lore

[brittle siren]

Could you find me that specific dialogue?

[sweet wadi]

I wouldn’t put it past Entranti to have used her in a void experiment tbh.

[normal mountain]

Considering that's pretty much the only thing we know about her, she could have been worse than Albrecht and we'd never know

[sweet wadi]

That’s a very high bar

[brittle siren]

Or he fused his wife with Kalymos

[tall echo]

I've seen screenshots of it, can confirm that it exists

[brittle siren]

That would be messed up

[sweet wadi]

I hate that this almost makes sense

[normal mountain]

He refused to use Kalymos, his cat
He didn't use his daughter
I doubt he would have used his wife

[brittle siren]

(Full metal alchemist PTSD)

[brittle siren]

I mean if his wife and the cat are dying, he could do sth to make both live longer

[normal mountain]

That's different from just sacrificing them to the Void
Like he did the Cavia

[sweet wadi]

I kind of suspect she was his beard, tbh

[brittle siren]

What the

[normal mountain]

I thought the Loid-Albrecht relationship only started after he got his skin burned off

[sweet wadi]

I’m unclear on the chronology tbh

[brittle siren]

I think it started really long ago, even before void gate incident

Since his wife was nowhere in any document

[drifting roost]

How does ordis know jade i stopped following lore a while back but got back into it is it from jade shadows?

[brittle siren]

He analyzed her "feather" that was given by Stalker

And extract her info from the database

But Ballas or someone deleted most of her data

[normal mountain]

Or it was never there to begin with

[drifting roost]

Oh ty i thought he knew her from when he was ordan karris lol

[brittle siren]

And the OP tell Ordis about her story etc

[sweet wadi]

He mostly just relates to her as a fellow victim of the Orokin, forced to kill on command

[brittle siren]

Imagine Ballas face when he saw Jade successfully birth a Warframe without Helminth helping

[normal mountain]

...I actually don't want to see that
It might... inspire him

I don't want to see what twisted experiments he would pull after seeing something like that

[sweet wadi]

Well he’s… hopefully dead now. Hopefully.

[brittle siren]

Also beside Entrati (and his family) and that Kuria guy, Nihil is the only true Orokin that still alive?

[brittle siren]

Unrelated but if the child is playable (imagine they grow really fast) they would have Stalker skills but green

More excuse for DE not release playable Stalker

[brittle siren]

Where is his body anyway? If it fall into the Sun we saved
If it taken by Wally we screwed, again

[graceful swan]

Wally is too indifferent to care about blue people he probably got cremated by the Sun

[pallid spoke]

Ballas is confirmed dead. Lotus/Natah/Margulis literally says "Ballas is no more" in the inbox message you get at the end.

[feral cape]

Loid is poor the end

[sweet wadi]

Nothing stays dead in this game. Vor was supposedly dead as well.

[silk atlas]

He's dead dead as far as we care.

[glacial bough]

Vor is the exception, not the rule

[silk atlas]

Vor is stuck in the Void anyway

[glacial bough]

Without a specific said method like the Janus Key, dead is dead

[sweet wadi]

Unless you’re Hunhow. Or Erra. Or a warframe. Or the zariman holdfasts. Or the cavia. Or Parvos Granam.

Or Teshin. Or Alad V. Or the Hex.

Death rarely sticks, is all I’m saying.

[woven coyote]

Holdfasts are closer to undead or images of dead people
Hunhow pretended to be dead
Parvos was assumed dead
Teshin was assumed dead by the community
Hex are in a time loop

This is less death doesnt stick and more
You didnt really see them die and are surprised when they were actually fine or had a contingecy

[sweet wadi]

We literally bring Umbra back by scanning bits of him and rebuilding him in the foundry.

And Erra/Pazuul is similarly a set of confirmed-dead sentients being reborn into a creature with Erra’s memories and flickers of his personality. I’m not saying they don’t come back changed, but dead doesn’t mean gone.

[stiff fable]

To be fair, Sentients have distributed consciousness and near-perfect regeneration. Unless he got melted in the Void he was obviously going to be fine.

[sweet wadi]

Balas was a sentient chimera as well

[stiff fable]

Not quite the same, it's closer to prosthetics

His seat of consciousness was still the brain

[sweet wadi]

They seemed grafted to his body, like an amalgam, more than just mechanical parts replacing organic ones.

[stiff fable]

Right but it's not like they were doing his thinking for him. They were replacing his feet and maybe that kidney we stabbed.

Oh lol they were his built-in walker, haha

[tall echo]

Erra wasn't confirmed dead

If there is no corpse, there is no confirmed death. Unless it's veko, because DE said that he's gone

[stiff fable]

ahem his name was Vako

[tall echo]

Teso?

[graceful swan]

Veto

[restive river]

Vebo

[grim hazel]

When your friends want to know more Warframe lore:

[graceful swan]

Don’t even remember the war they took part in smh

[grim hazel]

Well I mean usually the new players priority is just building rhino lol

[thick viper]

Those railjack versus between clans ?

[graceful swan]

Definitely won’t ever be a thing lol

[grim hazel]

The Balancing would be horrible

[normal mountain]

Multi Railjack missions would be interesting though

Probably won't happen for the same reason those 8-player trial missions were canned

but I swear I once saw another Railjack in a mission I did once

[graceful swan]

Probably all that Kuva you’ve been taking

Multi Railjack has never been a thing

[normal mountain]

Thought so
It was so weird
Just showed up for a brief few seconds, left view, then vanished

[thick viper]

MY BAD wanted to talk about those dark sector fight to get the lead has clan on it

[gusty trail]

I have a question about 1999... do we know how techrot originated there? I know the On-line's studio was the one experimenting with it, but was them who created?
Or Entrati sent the infestation in one of his is experiments?

[silk atlas]

It was already there before Albrecht time traveled

[sweet wadi]

Lettie believes he helped propagate it though.

[gusty trail]

with the "vaccine" right?

[normal mountain]

Iirc it just made them silent carriers

[gusty trail]

i though just like with the animal he sent some experiments to holvania before time traveling

[raw stone]

Yeah

The hollvanian govt did experiment with the Techrot. I assume at some point it all escaped.

I also assume that the originator of the entire techrot and infestation by future's proxy, is They Wanted to Replace Onlyne With "AI." Or basically... they tried replicating super pretty boy warframes.

Not on actual humans mind you... actually. Idk. But they developed egos and here we are. They're about to be loose on the hollvanian streets. As soon as they release their hottest new single for 1999... okay let's see... two rotations so far? No, 3? Okay so... 1999 to the 5th power.

[raw stone]

So far THIS. All I'm saying on Onlyne is Speculatory. We may never get lore drops for the origin of the Techrot. Tbh we never got much about 1999 for the update, but bits and pieces of the KIM reference it.

[proper barn]

We know where it started in hollivaina cuz Elanor saw it and was the first one to call it tech rot.

Through Kim messages

[raw stone]

Mhmn. But I was more wondering about the how. Although... didn't have Eleanor's kim about discovering the techrot.

[proper barn]

Oh it's cuz she was a journalist and she found the beingings of tech rot.

[raw stone]

No, I mean... the how of the techrot existing. I kinda wanna know.

Why could be waved away as simply as Onlyne's producer wanting to do shady backdeals to get their perfect moneymaker.

(Which... is confirmed. About the aoi emails on her pom2, check the counter at the music store where aoi stays at.)

[proper barn]

yeah i know .

[north ferry]

How do we know this?

The arg also seems to have a bunch of stuff.

I don't know how the Onlyne clones lines up in the timeline, I feel like the techrot showed first. Then was study with, then Coda

[stiff fable]

She's the one who called it "techrot" first, in one of her articles. But the technocyte predates that by a while

[proper barn]

yeah

[stiff fable]

Albrecht mentioned it in his notes. He time traveled back to the first technocyte outbreak

And when he got there in 1998 it was already ongoing

[chrome rivet]

So, how do Sentients reproduce before they got Void'd?

[restive river]

Well when a mommy sentient and a daddy sentient love eachother very much…

[woven coyote]

In all seriousness starfish style split and make more of yourself
That is after all what the prototype of what eventually became the sentients could do

[restive river]

Is that not fragmentation :p

[proper barn]

Hmmmmm

Fragments and reproducing do seem to be different

[restive river]

Because they are

Fragmentation isn’t effected by being sterile
Reproduction is

Fragments are still a part of the sentient they came from
Offspring seem connected but not in the same way

If I had to guess offspring sentients are akin to fragments but differ as they’re a unique being that is capable of fragmentation and reproduction as well

[woven coyote]

Enhanced fragments maybe

[proper barn]

but idk if we know of any other sentients that have a mom and father other than Natah.

even natah has fragments

[restive river]

Fragments composed of both parents perhaps, for whatever reason this results in a new sentient and not just a fragment

[proper barn]

I.E. mimics.

[woven coyote]

The two fragments of information we have is erra/pazuul talking about lifting the offspring from "the manifold"tm
And the fragmentation thing

[restive river]

We don’t really know about any other sentients :p

[proper barn]

well all the beast lords

and Erra are not fragmetns.

[restive river]

Like we know
What
8 total?
Natah
Erra
Humhow
Praghasa
Pazuul
And the Archons

[proper barn]

Erra and Natah are siblings but i don't think they have the same mom.

[proper barn]

Yeah.

[brittle siren]

Btw does 1999 loops is purposely made for the Hex so they can never lose their humanity, since we know that the strain in them will eventually take over their mind

[tall echo]

???

[brittle siren]

I mean isn't in the game mention that soon the Hex will succumb to the infested inside them?

Eleanor is like the prime example

[tall echo]

Not soon, but yes, because their transformation into frames isn't paused, just slowed down a lot

But the loop resets everything back to the initial state except memories(if you choose not to reset those)

[summer matrix]

Me wiping everyones memories like i am in the hit film “the men in black”

[tall echo]

Well that's gonna be a confusing username

What am I gonna call the original nemesis when you're both involved in a convo

[summer matrix]

Nemesis 1 i suppose

[north ferry]

Nemesis and ||Nemesis||

[brittle siren]

just realised that they updated the dating hex bio

[tall echo]

What specifically about that is updated?

[brittle siren]

It used to only "friend status" default on the bio

[tall echo]

Yeah nah, nothing was updated then, it's just a bit delayed with registering dating>best friends

[brittle siren]

really? because before Rhino Heirloom update I didn't see this bio

[tall echo]

Yes, it's been very delayed since 1999 release

[brittle siren]

"Fixed several text missing localization (ex: “Profile” in the KIM chat system)."

This could be it but I may be wrong at this

[tall echo]

Your text is in english, that's not a localization thing

[brittle siren]

oh ok

then I may have missed it

[brittle siren]

re-read Jade memory make me sad again

[fresh fox]

Hey yall, quick lore question (spoiler warning) ||Does Alad V still make amalgams after the new war, just not under the durress of the sentients anymore? The Nora Night voicelines in the orbiter make me think so but I figured I'd check.||

[haughty oriole]

Thoughts? We still don't have translations for:

• Ne
• Vok
• Ku
• Noma
• Elu
• Kah
• Uteh
• Komek
• Uru
• Zek
• Aba
• Shogrun
• Ukul
• Iire
• Murum
• Vull
• Vashtav

[tall echo]

No

[fresh fox]

Ah darn, that puts a damper on my tennocon cosplay plans lol. But, it also gives me new cosplay/character ideas so thank you!!!

[tall echo]

There's no need for spoiler warnings here btw

[fresh fox]

Ah, okay! Figured I'd be cautious lol.

[scenic depot]

How did the new war affect the trout population

[sweet wadi]

What if the cetus fish all had little narmer veils?

[raw stone]

I'd imagine they'd have gold ornamentation again really

[drifting mirage]

I hate this

[tall echo]

Yours don't?

[feral cape]

Are you familiar with guy named theseus and a ship he has

[tall echo]

Or maybe doesn't have

[raw stone]

Important question: Are Sentients true AI?

I remember someone tossing about the idea that The Orokin outlawed True AI, where as the Cephalons are simply as if you put Hatsune Miku into a Personality Module... I just... Remember the Sentients, or at least the core of what they were when the Orokin were starting to do the Tau project. Black stars, reformatting and shaping into stuff to withstand and such.

[woven coyote]

The council did bring up anti AI laws when ballas and perintol were gaslighting them into aproving the project that eventually evolved into the sentients

[pallid spoke]

AFAIK, the Sentients are true AI. The only reason they got approved was because of their flaw.

Unfortunately, the Orokin didn't get to exploit their flaw.

(Their flaw being Void exposure destroying them)

[raw stone]

Ah

Yeah that was what I was talking about. Unfortunately Amir's convo still circuitously routed towards... Cephalons. Bless his heart I can't change his mind yet.

[graceful swan]

Amir has a real special interest in Cephalons

[drifting mirage]

If you're kind and logical about it ||he does eventually accept that at rank 5 by the way||

[radiant valve]

I got him talking about how he turned his kimegotchi (however its spelt) into a cute little weapon for a short time

[tall echo]

That's... not what cephalons are

[raw stone]

🧍

You're mad that you can't see Hatsune Miku as a Cephalon aren't ya?

Anyway. My concern was answered. I was making sure I didn't fungle it in the convo.

[tall echo]

What does that even mean

[graceful swan]

Scrap saying that’s not what Cephalons are without actually explaining what Cephalons are is definitely jealousy that he can’t be human again

[tall echo]

Is hatsune miku a void being

[raw stone]

She can be

[tall echo]

At first maybe but being a cephalon is actually pretty beneficial

[raw stone]

I mean we have Void Angels. And that... thing seems to be the void equivalent to how the Infestation works.

Except... probably extremely limited and not as widespread.

You could give Hatsune Miku at least... Conceptual Embodiment of life, as Duviri has.

[tall echo]

What "thing"?

[raw stone]

I'm not sure how to actually explain the manifestation and propogation of Void angels.

I can't really... replay Angels of the Zariman, and I'm already r5. All I remember of lorebits in there is... the Tuvul transmissions.

[tall echo]

They manifest through holdfasts feeding off of the fingie engine's void energy

Although the weird void metal seems to also generate them sometimes, or vice versa

[raw stone]

Yeah. I remember the void radiation thing there... but of course I meant the latter part.

[feral cape]

No he has a ship the question is wether it's the same ship that he had

You're doing a schrodingers ship of theseus

[tall echo]

I'm doing a DE interpretation of the ship of theseus

[sweet wadi]

What if you were just programmed to think that?

Also Angels, to my understanding, are what happens when a person’s self-identity isn’t strong enough to conceptually embody themselves. They lack the ego to establish themselves as a unique concept, and get pulled into this… messy sketch of a human pieced together by the void.

If you don’t stand for yourself, all that makes you you is overpowered by the chorus of the angels.

Same thing if you lose the will to continue as a conceptual embodiment.

Now that I think about it, actually, it’s not just strong conviction that does it. guilt, ironically, can keep the angels song at bay. All the holdfasts held a deep personal shame, something they felt was inexcusable. That gave them a sense of self, even if it was a negative one.

[tall echo]

Where are you getting any of that from? Warmup stretching?

Before the player shows up the holdfasts are "hungry" because they need to consume void energy to sustain themselves. They get too hungry, they get lured to the reliquary drive, feed off of the corrupted energy it emits and turn into angels

[sweet wadi]

Nevermind I guess

[woven coyote]

We actually follow quite a bit of the process with kira's logs we got from the zariman arg

[fresh fox]

Oh shoot there was a zariman arg while I was taking my hiatus from the game? Dang I missed a lot.

[turbid vigil]

you mean void metal

[raw stone]

Oh. Is that what it's called?

[turbid vigil]

grendel

[turbid vigil]

iirc that's what the community calls it

[thick viper]

isn't void metal also related to voidshell skins ?

[turbid vigil]

I think so

[thick viper]

It implies "morphic" created in the zariman will the void jump

So, idk if I conclude things fast, but what if void metal are morphic that reacted from the contact with void

[turbid vigil]

wait is your pfp proto Garuda?

[thick viper]

Yas

[turbid vigil]

looks so good fr

[thick viper]

tysm, wait gonna send it to you

[turbid vigil]

I suspect that the metal acts like the infested and how the metal of a warframe works like flesh

[tall echo]

There's no solid name for it yet

[turbid vigil]

I found it on google

[thick viper]

Like, prisma is something that came from the void, voidshell acts like material that change from liquid to stone, pretty neat

[thick viper]

Just took my phone, sorry

[turbid vigil]

dw

I wonder what DE will cookup in the next proto batch

and if their datable 🤔

[tall echo]

Temple def

[thick viper]

People tend to say Temple because she's a frame from 1999, but I think they will simply continu the old frames

Like Ash, Ember and co

[turbid vigil]

yeah

[normal mountain]

Temple proto got spoiled tho

[turbid vigil]

4 Protos but idk if temple is in those 4 or not

[turbid vigil]

what did I miss

[normal mountain]

I wasn't there myself, but I heard someone asked about a guitar slide emote in a Devshort, and Reb went 'Gemini Emote'

[turbid vigil]

oooh

but that's not a design leak tho

[normal mountain]

True

[tall echo]

I mean. Cyte? Direct 1999 update, new frame, confirmed protos. Lots of similarities

[tall echo]

Also this

[thick viper]

There's all the fanart from perttibaha that are scrumptious and this valkyr

[normal mountain]

I would be very surprised if Temple didn't end up a protoframe

[turbid vigil]

protea...hmm...yes

not me owning proteas deluxe

[thick viper]

True

[turbid vigil]

💀

[normal mountain]

Protea protoframe would be odd

[turbid vigil]

I saw a discord link for 1 millisecond

[raw stone]

I'm hoping Nova too.

[turbid vigil]

protea manipulates time

unfortunately the protea we got isn't as strong as the protea in lore

[thick viper]

True true nova

[normal mountain]

Protea was also designed by Parvos
Who stole Albrecht's research

[tall echo]

Who said anything about a design leak?

[normal mountain]

Actually, nvm
That would mean sweet Entrati revenge

All for that

[turbid vigil]

parvos was angy at Albrecht and decided to ask Ballas for help because he knew without protea hed be cooked

[thick viper]

Oh damn just found informations about leaks but not the same lol will not say more 🫰🏻

[normal mountain]

Probably for the best
After all, this is #lore-discussion not #spoiler-chat

[tall echo]

Leaks aren't welcome in either one

[normal mountain]

Oh really?
My bad then

[normal mountain]

Best not to share leaks here at all

[thick viper]

Yes, forums do the job lmao

[tall echo]

If information is not granted by our canadian lords, it is not welcome

[normal mountain]

Canadian lords
wheeze

[woven coyote]

or accidentally spilled

[tall echo]

That is also info granted by them

Just not as intentionally

[turbid vigil]

"there are no accidents" -master oogway

I'm still waiting for that "spider frame"

[woven coyote]

i miss sheldon on streams
but then he spilled too much info and rebb put him in the corner to reflect

[tall echo]

Rebb has said there is no spider frame... but only for koumei

[normal mountain]

debating whether to make a "There is no war in Ba Sing Se" joke, but not entirely sure how it will be received

[feral cape]

Who's to say she isn't

Did you forgot that when protea created the granuum void it killed her

[turbid vigil]

I infact did

[turbid vigil]

not sure how Tencent sees the joke

[turbid vigil]

there's still hope

[tall echo]

She seemingly also needed help from an exploding reactor to get the necessary power

[turbid vigil]

(eventually DE will run out of ideas and be forced to make a spider frame)

IF they don't want to make a spider frame that is

[tall echo]

They already did but it was too spider-like visually. Now we have khora

[turbid vigil]

that means we have no spider frame, the dream lives on!

[tall echo]

We have a spider frame

[graceful swan]

As much as people are saying Spider frame people saw Khoras initial Spider theme and it scared even people without Arachnophobia so they toned it down until we have what Khora is now and I doubt DE will ever do it again for that very fact

[silk atlas]

Also it's just kinda boring, like how people treat Rev as not a vampire when he doesn't have the exact same stereotypes as every other vampire in media

[brittle siren]

I mean Reb accidentally leak them to have Proto already lmao

[barren jasper]

hunhow says to stalker "you think to yourself, was I was one of this wretched things (the operator)? you still hate them, you still hate yourself"

but he isn't controlled by an operator/tenno. does Hunhow not know that or should he know that, and it's just a DE oversight

[brittle siren]

He just repeat Stalker thought process

[brittle siren]

Also wretched things is he talking about Warframe specifically

[high bay]

Goofy power scaling question: who would win, a battalion of Grineer soldiers or a battalion of Grand Army Of The Republic clones?

[brittle siren]

If both have the same number of soldiers and no overpowered leader join in, Clones in Star wars win

Technology in Star Wars is kinda more advanced than Warframe, since they can travel across the whole galaxy already.

[tall echo]

Hunhow assumes stalker is just like any other frame

[feral cape]

The grand army

[sweet wadi]

I think he was just playing mindgames tbh

Up until Jade Shadows, Stalker didn’t fully remember why he hated Tenno

[stiff fable]

That's a side effect of void travel being hilariously dangerous. Warframe technology is far so far ahead of Star Wars in most other ways. The Orokin could fold space, the Galactic Republic never could.

[brittle siren]

Aren't we just compare Grineer and Republic lmao, and base on what Grineer can do, yeah Republic will destroy them
Also you forgot in Legends there's literally a "forge" that can literally generate thousands of battle ship infinitely
And are we sure the Void in Warframe can fold the Force in Star Wars, because Palpatine alone can make a Force Storm enough to destroy planet, Luke can make a black hole and Nihilus can literally suck life from the whole planet

[north jolt]

I mean tbh Garuda kinda reminds me more of a vampire in certain aspects then Revenant does. Especially with the heavy blood theme

But if you want to get really technical he's like a weird mix of eidolon and vampire theme

Even his abilities are kidna 50/50 thematically. Enthrall and reave I can sorta see being related to vampires, but Mesmer skin and Dance macabre are very eidolon

[brittle siren]

Also in canon Starkiller base can nuke the amount of planetS that available in Origin system from light years away, Final Order has thousand of ship that each one of them has planet destroyer cannon

[stiff fable]

Yeah that was dumb and a big part of the reason that Star Wars is dead again

JJ Abrams was the worst thing to happen to SW lol

[brittle siren]

Even we ignore the sequel, Legends has too much bs that even Wally couldn't do anything

Though tbh Warframe technology would be better if the Orokin is not a bunch of jacka**

[stiff fable]

The Orokin always were their own worst enemies

[brittle siren]

Ballas be like: Let's kill off one of the best Archemidian in the whole System because I'm jealous that she love those children than me

[sweet wadi]

Orokin also had limited time manipulation, and casual mastery of quantum physics. Hyperspace in Star Wars is functionally the Void but empty, barring old continuity monsters.

Given that they could also freeze Venus and warp entire moons into a different dimension, I think the Orokin absolutely had planet-buster capabilities, but because they were locked to the sol system, destroying any planet would just be shooting themselves in the foot.

[sweet wadi]

I have a personal headcanon that Ballas is, for whatever reason, sterile, and unable to have kids with Margulis. The Tenno gave her something he could not and he hated that.

I have zero proof of this, but Ballas being made to feel impotent by a bunch of kids makes me smile.

[restive river]

I mean
He also hated us cause she loved us and he was a big baby cause “what about me, I should have all your love” cause he’s a self centered narcissist and doesn’t realize that people can love multiple people in different ways-

[north ferry]

Oh no, he probably does understand it, he just is a self centered meglomanical narcissist and won't accept it.

What we don't see Grineer do is have any sort of organized military engagement structure. As much as I feel like Grand Army would be in contention, they are somewhat out matched.

[turbid vigil]

morning

[turbid vigil]

I mean technically he is sterile as his lower torso turned into an sentient and we all know sentient cannot reproduce only rebuild

I feel these 2 things explain Warframe lore very condensed very well

[proper barn]

You forgot their own animals

Also the cavia only lived cuz of what Fib did otherwise they would have just died like the rest of them.

[severe whale]

lore masters

help

didn't entrati say he wouldn't consume kuva, and he is blind after the encounter.... why does he not have that orokin device on his head anymore?

like this

and also in duviri the "scholar's landing" they described him perfectly but before the encounter

[lean garden]

its in his sanctum notes

loid healed him

[proper barn]

It's in the netrcells vaults

[graceful swan]

Because rn he’s not going into the Void

[turbid vigil]

he got so misformed loid had to basically build a new body around him

[marble pewter]

Are the Hex’s family and everyone else technically alive outside the time loop?

[tall echo]

Unknown

[restive river]

If I had to guess time both continues to move and the loop persists so we can safeguard the changes we made

[graceful swan]

Assuming they didn’t die before it was a loop I’d assume they are still alive

[marble pewter]

Ah okay..it would’ve been really sad if they were dead😭

[marble pewter]

Does the time loop only apply to Hollvania city? If so then time is definitely moving on outside the area

[graceful swan]

Plus Eleanor has a chat about wanting us to meet her parents can’t meet parents if they are dead

[marble pewter]

That’s true

[lean garden]

not specified, would assume time loop affects whole of that segment of time

[restive river]

Not ever stated but if I had to guess the time loop both exists and time continues
Again, we retain the loop to retain the changes we made

Like replaying a portion of a video but you alter it, while yes you keep replaying it the video does technically continue even though you’re locking yourself to only one part of it

[marble pewter]

If it’s the entire country/world that’s some crazy power Drifter has ngl😭

[restive river]

Idk if that made sense actually

[restive river]

Thank their Duviri Trauma and Wally :)

[lean garden]

not really drifter's since he's only seemingly inheriting the loop

[marble pewter]

Ohhh

[restive river]

Drifter does inherit the loop yes
They do extend the loop and have control of it now

[graceful swan]

Albrecht created the loop

Drifter has never created a loop

[restive river]

Like the Drifter literally decided if memories persist for those in the loop

[marble pewter]

Right they just extended it..

Slipped my mind lol

[restive river]

^^^
Drifter has only initiated loops and now extended them

[marble pewter]

Thanks for clarifying everything guys

[wanton pebble]

So, what are these "your actions have consequences" messages I'm getting? Lol

[graceful swan]

You’re gonna get hunted eventually while in a mission

Stalker wants you dead

[chilly iron]

Congratulations, you now have a Stalker XD

[lucid acorn]

since we know how messy the void can get and that death isnt always the end. could thrax have been rell's adjacent/ spirit this entire time?

both are known to be emotionally challenged, needing help to understand emotions

[graceful swan]

No Thrax is just the king from the actual book isn’t even a real person

[tall echo]

Thrax doesn't even need help to understand emotions??

[lucid acorn]

the spirals and usch

he feels empty otherwise

[graceful swan]

Also he can’t be Rell as the only things left of Drifters timeline is the Zariman and Duviri and Rell got rescued with the others never going to Duviri so it can’t be

[lucid acorn]

teshin managed to stumble his way into duviri tho

[pearl pulsar]

i wonder what like the philosophy of warframe is. like, what do the devs want us to take away from the story that we can apply to our everyday lives?

[chilly iron]

Empathy and compassion are our greatest strengths

That's one of the things I take away, anyway

[sweet wadi]

Violence is the solution to all of your problems.

[graceful swan]

He was thrown in which Rell was neither thrown in or in to begin with Thrax is a character from the actual book that was never Rell

[lucid acorn]

that our mission has changed. eliminate all targets in the area

[sweet wadi]

Corporation exploiting you? Kill them. Abusive father figure takes your mom? Kill him. Dysfunctional family? Kill things for them until they make up.

Industrialists destroying the environment? Kill em. Other people using violence to solve everything? Kill em.

Want a girlfriend/boyfriend? killing people together builds great emotional connections.

[scenic depot]

So why does stalker still attack us

[silk atlas]

Gameplay.

[restive river]

He still hates us

[hollow pewter]

Is loid gay

[restive river]

Yes, him and Albrecht are a couple.

[scenic depot]

We saved his son 😭

He will attempt to murder the person who saved his newborn son but draws the line at domestic abuse

[restive river]

Yeah, our relationship with him is more complicated now
But he does still hate us

[silk atlas]

And we also completely destroyed his way of life so at best we're even.

[restive river]

^^^

[silk atlas]

Kinda forgot about the whole killing the Orokin Empire, whom he worked for.

[graceful swan]

(greeting the Tenno) "Ordis hopes the Stalker will give up his vendetta one day, just as Ordis did. Perhaps he too will grow weary of— CLEANING UP BLOOD."

[proper barn]

GASP how would you think that? Albretch calling him "my loid" and Loid calling him "my Albretch" love literally being what stops a attack. Albretch wanting to always say i love you to loid?

Which one of these super hetero things made you think that?/s

[proper barn]

Also Grandama isn't Albretchs wife its fathers mom

You probably know that but just in case.

[turbid vigil]

ordan Karris quest(frame) when

[graceful swan]

2035

[hollow pewter]

i hadn’t finished the quest

[proper barn]

Oh no

[hollow pewter]

I have finished it now but

[proper barn]

Lul

Anyway grandma is not Albretchs wife some people are confused by that when she literally called father son

But anyway.

[scenic depot]

how would de go about bringing back the sentients

[proper barn]

I mean we are obviously gonna fight a narmer 3rd orb soonish

As a like filler in-between uodate.

[scenic depot]

???

narmer 3rd orb?

[stiff fable]

The giant spiders in Orb Vallis

There are three of them, but only two are fightable. The third one is hiding in a lake, and the current plan is for it to get Narmer'd and become a raid boss like Profit Taker and Exploiter

[restive river]

Narmer are still a threat
And Tau exists

[exotic mountain]

🤓

Using GASP in 2025 💔

[thick viper]

Better question, is Loid a cat

[restive river]

No, but Albrecht probably pets him like one

[thick viper]

I'm pre-shotting that Kalymos is Loid and vice-versa

[mellow reef]

dos anyone know what happened to stalker and the baby?

[silk atlas]

They went off the grid, this was explained from Hunhow's email

[proper barn]

how about Albretch

That Kayalmos is like the really nice part of him.

[proper barn]

You can see them when you buy something from Ordis at the drifter camp in the background.

[thick viper]

You think that Kalymos is the good part of Albrecht incarnated in a cat ?

[proper barn]

well Kalymos died or was sick.

and now Kalymos has lived a very very long time.

basiclly Kalymos almost died or did Die and somehow got better.

[graceful swan]

Cloning

[thick viper]

I see

[proper barn]

they say he wouldn't do that.

and albretch says his special boy Kalymnos has a soul.

Also DID WE EVER FIGURE OUT WHY like Albretch did the like wally smile in whispers.

[feral cape]

He's weird

[proper barn]

understatement of the year.

[sweet wadi]

Such good friends

[normal mountain]

Probably because it was Wally, not Albrecht
Whether it was usual shape-shifting or Rusalka-style possession, I don't think we know

[humble sierra]

They move from their base and leave Hunhow by himself. After that it's anyone's guess, but when the Belly of the Beast event is NOT live, when you hand in Vestigial motes to Ordis at the Drifter camp, you can see Stalker show up in the background.

[north jolt]

So far all we know is they are both in hiding. They're story is suppose to continue at some point though

[humble sierra]

Yeah it's only been a few content updates since Jade Shadows, their story is important but not to what's happening with TMITW... yet.

[brittle siren]

rereading this section of Lavos I realized that it may or may not hinting how his Prime came to be

[humble sierra]

Judging from his Prime description, as well as Rebb's interpretation of it, he seemed to have Primed himself

[brittle siren]

if the transmutation from that Archemedian is so terrified that the Orokin have to put him in jail, yeah Lavos after turn him into a snake and able to become Prime himself is not that far fetch

[proper barn]

they where more terrified that Javi was a teacher and was teaching the POORS

and THE COMMON FOLK.

[brittle siren]

yeah but his trasmutation is insane that Lavos literally become Jesus (kinda)

(iirc it said he can heal too)

also isnt Orokin banned these kind of practice?

[manic horizon]

if we turn our op blue are we sorta orokin

[humble sierra]

Orokin's a class, not a species

We're just using the same tech that made them blue

[sweet wadi]

It’s more a procedure, I think. Undergoing continuity is what ‘makes you Orokin’ iirc. The ones we see all had designer bodies to jump into, modified to be perfectly beautiful.

[glacial bough]

It's taking part in Kuva that defines an orokin

[sweet wadi]

So depending on our choices, yes, we we may be technically orokin

[lean garden]

Transference and continuity are two very different things

[sweet wadi]

Continuity is what I meant

It’s a euphemism for mind-swapping, give me a break 😛

We’re never really told what kuva is or where it comes from though, right? Only that the Unum has some version of it, and it can be harvested via siphons.

[humble sierra]

Void blood? something like that

leaking from somewhere

[stiff fable]

The Duviri tablets explain that it's a gel containing void energy

[sweet wadi]

… have we been snorting Wally’s blood to roll our rivens?

[restive river]

Which tablet :o

[sweet wadi]

Huh

Speaking of suspicious substances;

Given that their gas-packs are weakpoints, and we see their helmets full of the stuff, is it a safe guess to say that scaldra actively breathes efervon?

[restive river]

so not a gel
but neat

[restive river]

maybe?
It's toxic to human life too as the Scaldra pumping it everywhere effects civillians too so

iirc there is concept art of one of the soldiers without their mask
or maybe it was the effects it has on humans

[humble sierra]

It's extremely corrosive. At first I thought "Oh it just harms techrot and since we're infested, that's why we're damaged" but I think Scaldra get damaged by it too

[restive river]

it's toxic to life in general

[sweet wadi]

I only ask because the flayers very clearly have it in their masks.

And the tubes feed throughout their body.

Maybe it’s just… normal poisonous to humans, and slowly killing them as opposed to the techrot instantly killing them if it got in their system?

Scaldra clearly take a Grineer approach to the value of individual lives.

[woven coyote]

well it says it has a void derived capacity
which could mean that people's belief gave that particular liquid that characteristic

ssorta like techpriests in warhammer praying so hard their machines work
or the orkz just going red=fast and it actually being faster
for an in warframe example we could see the zariman incarnons
they werent originally from the void but gained their extra properties from the void

[stiff fable]

I doubt it's that complicated. Probably just a liquid that can hold void juice.

[lilac aspen]

If I'm pumping my body full of the stuff designed to purge the techrot to some degree, I'd be technically "immune" to getting infected then.

However a part of me assumes it's actually layers, so Efervon is sandwiched between layers of Efervon-resistant material. Us shooting the weakpoints basically breaks those layers and ends up splattering them with the stuff.

[brittle siren]

DE please made Pom-2 into a Cephalon like Necraloid

Also it's funny that Albrecht can made a Cephalon by copy Loid mind, while all other Cephalon are all once human

[humble sierra]

Yeah it seems like there's no need to kill the host or anything

In fact, I'm not sure if any of the other hosts were killed when the Cephalon version of them were made

It's entirely possible that they spoke to their copies until they died of Old age or something

[tall echo]

Getting glassed is pretty equivalent to dying

[tall echo]

Necraloid isn't exactly a cephalon

[humble sierra]

He's regarded as one by Drifter, at least

[turbid vigil]

ok so desiege brought out a video talking about how 1999 is not going back in time instead it's conceptual embodiment in the void much how duviri is created and it makes sense

if we aren't literally back in time it explains the paradox of proto frames

[glacial bough]

They aren't a paradox

[turbid vigil]

and it also explains the green eye and text telling us where we are and the date spoiler warning>>||and in the quest we literally get called kiddo by the green text||

[glacial bough]

And Seige is even more wrong that usual this time. Rebecca has specifically said this isn't a situation like Duviri

[turbid vigil]

they are because if we actually went back in time to invent a Warframe before they were invented then the storyline doesn't line up

[glacial bough]

It lines up fine, the protoframes would be long dead and gone before they could have that major an impact

[turbid vigil]

they would turn into a full Warframe either without a pilot or they would be similar to umbra

[humble sierra]

We don't know that

[turbid vigil]

so either they T pose or run around

[humble sierra]

They could turn to goop or die of old age as they retained their humanity

[turbid vigil]

they wont

they will become a full Warframe as Albrecht stated

[glacial bough]

Albrecht is afraid of that, but he doesn't know what will happens as much as they do

[humble sierra]

Yeah it's possible that due to Drifter bonding with them and essentially doing the Soothing process that the Operators did to Warframes before they went full infested, they won't turn anymore

In terms of story I doubt they'll ever change

[turbid vigil]

true but it depends how the technocyte is feeling tbh

[tall echo]

Warframes are organic. Organic things die and decay. The time between 1999 and the orokin empire would definitely be long enough for that to happen.

[turbid vigil]

in the trailer we did see Warframes turned to stone

[tall echo]

That's the current intro cutscene not a trailer

[turbid vigil]

but the intro changed to that tho

[lean garden]

Too bad reb said no

Also drifter and eleanor conversations outright say that 1999 is the operators timeline so its not a strand of khra now

[turbid vigil]

ah

I see, thanks for clarifying

[digital grail]

Oh so 1999 isn't an off shoot sick

[turbid vigil]

this complicates even more

[lean garden]

Not really

Giant gap smoothes things over

[digital grail]

Warframe is always complicated

[turbid vigil]

finds an easy solution that makes sense to everything

it's wrong

why can't the lore just be reasonably understandable for once

[digital grail]

Because WARFRAME

[turbid vigil]

I do wonder tho, will we get tau or concrete Wally dimension after this

the one we got shown on iirc tennocon or some time later

[digital grail]

Tau probably

Hopefully

[turbid vigil]

I do hope we get to either complete some unfinished content islands or connect em to the next big thing

coz I'm still waiting on that stalker x jade part 2

now that I think about it, the heart inside Deimos, isn't that a backdoor for wally

as it's actively pumping void energy into sol

[brittle siren]

then what is he then? Sentient?

[graceful swan]

Construct

[hexed skiff]

He is more of a copy of loids mind cephalons imply that the person whole identity was destroyed and repurposed

[brittle siren]

construct can't talk, at least all Albrecht robot can't

[hexed skiff]

Well necraloid was special type of construct with some form of sentience

[brittle siren]

Loid called Necraloid as Construct for mocking sake

[hexed skiff]

Since he managed to develop mental illness too

[brittle siren]

I mean in Origin System, Cephalon and Sentient is 2 type of "AI", Cephalon isn't full on AI but was made to become 1

[hexed skiff]

I ment sentient as a state of mind not as the sentients of Warframe

Altho necraloid managed to develop schizophrenia I think witch point so it that he became self aware at some point

[digital grail]

Not schizophrenia otac(or however it's spelled) was added in

[hexed skiff]

Well true but it felt that way tbh

[hexed skiff]

(thank God for autocorrect I can't spell it too xd)

[brittle siren]

this is on the Orokin Archive website btw

[digital grail]

The consciousness is the necraloid is like a cephalon but its a replica of the mind

[dense salmon]

Necraloid is a copy, while presumably Cephalons have the original turned into the things

[digital grail]

Yeah

[dense salmon]

Actually Necraloid is fine. It was Otak that developed Schizo

Presumably they shoved the Otak Cephalon into a Sentinel like we did for Ordis, somehow and for some reason, but could only have time to do it to the Necraloid Sentinel before Deimos went horribly wrong

[hexed skiff]

Yea I remember that now

[brittle siren]

btw Loid went to cryopod during Old War yes?

[hexed skiff]

Deimos was always a cluster fck for me story wise but was interesting

[brittle siren]

wait hold the phone

did the Entrati family know that Necraloid isn't Loid?

[dense salmon]

Presumably

[hexed skiff]

They might but tbh there is a big chance they didn't care

[dense salmon]

Yeah they probably don't care

[brittle siren]

i mean the Son remember Loid holding him when he was a child

so I mean they kinda care (after all Loid is their butler)

[hexed skiff]

As far as I understood loud was a servant and secret lover to entrati which means for them he was just a pawn and nothing more

[brittle siren]

calling him a pawn is underestimate Loid a lot

[dense salmon]

Hmmm... I think they might know that he's Construct. But They don't know the real Loid is in their basement

[hexed skiff]

I am not saying he was a pawn but in entraties eyes apart from Albert he kinda was

[dense salmon]

They probably thought that he died, and Albretch just made a copy of him because he was 'close' to him

And everyone was like 'This guy'

[hexed skiff]

Like you know a lot of the background checks for current modern day "vip and stars" is done by people that get 0 recognition I feel like loud was that backstage person in majority of the time

[brittle siren]

yeah they dont know

[hexed skiff]

Did the family got any explanation where Albrecht went ?

[digital grail]

Nope they know nothing

[dense salmon]

Nope. It's why Mother is so obsessed

[hexed skiff]

Because I assume he disappeared before the start of old war ?

[brittle siren]

yeah Necraloid is Cephalon, unless he is lying

[hexed skiff]

Also maybe the family assumed if Albrecht is dead and buried Loid is too,in ancient rituals normally some pagan leaders were often buried with their servants and belongings (sometimes servants were still alive )

[brittle siren]

or they think to make Loid unable to die and still able to serve, Albrecht turn him into Cephalon (which is not true, he just copy Loid mind)

[hexed skiff]

Yea but they didn't know he only copied his mind so that checks out

[graceful swan]

Considering we y’know slaughtered the Orokin him lying about who he is isn’t out of the possibilities

[humble sierra]

Yeah they probably figured Loid got turned into a Cephalon

[tall echo]

During the old war

[hidden cove]

So who babysits Sirius/Orion when Stalker is trying to kill me?

Like by now the little tyke ought to be crawling around and blowing stuff up with whatever abilities he's gonna have. How is Stalker gonna have time to leave his kid to come get 'revenge' on me because I killed Phorid?

[scenic fossil]

i mean, its 1999% uncannon that he hunts you after that quest

[strange plinth]

don't mean to sound rude but, proof?
he came to us for assistance, and we helped, but he still has enough reason to hate us. less so, now, but its still there.
he absolutely still hunts us after, or the Protector Stalker variant wouldn't exist

to answer the original question, acolytes, maybe? they're the closest things he has to allies, though who knows if he'd trust them with his child.
hunhow is a possibility, though his email after the quest implies he knows stalker won't be around him, at least for a while.

[hexed skiff]

Eternalism he tries to kill you while he takes care of mini stalker

Everything exist all at once

[strange plinth]

though not in the same universe, drifter being the exception

[hexed skiff]

Wdym not same universe ?

[humble sierra]

Stalker probably gets paid to hunt you now

Bro's a single father, let him make a living

[digital grail]

We pay him to still hunt us

We enjoy the fights

[strange plinth]

let me hire him for my railjack, de

[graceful swan]

(greeting the Tenno) "Ordis hopes the Stalker will give up his vendetta one day, just as Ordis did. Perhaps he too will grow weary of— CLEANING UP BLOOD."

[scenic fossil]

fair

but

[digital grail]

He probably doesn't appreciate us wearing his dead wife

[graceful swan]

Check the status on my profile it explains what it is

Stalker just had no other choice it doesn’t mean he suddenly stopped hating or wanting to kill us

[digital grail]

It'll take time for him to maybe stop being a hater

[sweet wadi]

Which still may be one of the more messed up things he has done, given that it means he took someone else, and ripped them apart to act like his boyfriend.

As far as I know, the Orokin had no way to make cephalon-level personalities from scratch without making a sentient all over again, which was a line even Albrecht seemed hesitant to cross.

[strange turtle]

I mean he probably just did it Halo style or did like a brain scan or something I don’t think he randomly identity deathed some guy for no real reason

[past halo]

The Technocyte Coda having those antivirus mods made me realize something, why didn't the Sisters of Parvos get mods based off of the commandments of the Corpus written by Parvos Granum? Those would work so much better than borrowing from the Grineer

[silk atlas]

DE wasn't thinking that far ahead and there was barely anything you could do with the already existing Parazon stuff anyway

I can't even remember if they've added any other non-Adversary Parazon stuff after the initial set of mods.

[past halo]

This would be an excellent opportunity to rectify that, and it'll fit in with the Sisters having some sort of password that needs to be hacked instead of getting stabbed with magic words on a wristblade

[silk atlas]

Everyone who's cared to farm Sisters already have, and then everyone going back to it will now have to get a new set of completely arbitrary stuff when there's a good volume of already-existing words. It'd fit, but at the cost of convenience and people wondering why now of all times they have to use commandments. Coda can get a pass because they're new content related to 1999, which a lot of people are focusing on atm.

[past halo]

I know, but it's just me being more lore accurate than gameplay accurate when it comes to Adversaries now

[silk atlas]

If they wanted to be lore accurate they would've fixed Furax being a Grineer weapon long long ago.

[tall echo]

The sisters are unkillable due to a void-originated substance(specter particles), just like kuva liches. Requiems can reasonably work for both

[tall echo]

Wf eternalism is split timeline theory, you make one choice and the timeline splits into another where you made a different choice. The other timelines exist, but are inaccessible

[hexed skiff]

Yea but they co exist in same universe but different timeline

Because how I understand eternalism is that like Schrodinger's cat but slightly different

[tall echo]

It is not

Multiverse split timeline

Other possibilities are irrelevant, as they are, as I already said, inaccessible

[silk atlas]

Schodinger's Cat is not knowing what state we're in until we check.

In WF's Eternalism, we couldn't give two hoots because from an outside perspective, they all exist always (but as Scrap said, inaccessible and we happen to be going down a specific one. This is only important when we get to deal with Void shenanigans.

[tall echo]

The explanation given during tnw? Absolutely terrible for how it's used in wf.

[silk atlas]

If anything it's closer to the many worlds theory but just imagine there being infinite timelines that match up exactly with yours until some arbitrary alternative decision is made in some point in time.

[sweet wadi]

Don’t relics work off of quantum mechanics by containing every possible outcome at once, until they are opened?

[tall echo]

Pretty much

[graceful swan]

RNGesus is hiding inside them all at once

[hexed skiff]

The way they described the zariman dilemma with the dad and mom felt that way maybe that's where my confusion comes from.
Because it feels like everything exist all at once but only what we do at the moment (and see) is what matters

[lean garden]

exist all at once
its "real" in the grandest scheme of things, this was elucidated when euleria started talking about a separate timeline

but its not all existing within a singular timeline

[stray herald]

Its interesting to have 3 norse themed warframes, are they connected in lore?

[graceful swan]

Only Gauss and Grendel are connected lore wise others it’s just name of the frame

[stray herald]

Shame

[tall echo]

I can only think of one

[stray herald]

Loki valkyr and oberon

[normal mountain]

Oberon is norse?

[stray herald]

King of the faeries

[normal mountain]

Yeah, I knew that
Didn't know he was Norse

[dense wraith]

Iirc, Vakyr also isn’t the original name of the frame in-universe. She had a different name pre-flaying.

[normal mountain]

Thought he was Celtic or something

[stray herald]

Ehh, germanic myths is also viking stuff, with a pinch of christianity

[normal mountain]

Fair enough

[normal mountain]

Gersemi

[stray herald]

But he is celtic

On another note, titania is also celtic

She is the queen of faeries

[sweet wadi]

Oberon is originally French.

[normal mountain]

Thought Titania was invented by Shakespeare
Specifically for his play

[sweet wadi]

Yes

[stray herald]

Apparently so, in a midsummer night’s dream

[sweet wadi]

Both figures are not from Celtic or Germanic myth, but much later literary and poetic works.

[stray herald]

Damn

Dead wrong, me

[normal mountain]

Wish Titania and Oberon had some sort of special synergy to them

[stray herald]

Interesting thought

What in game lore does oberon have?

[normal mountain]

Umm

[sweet wadi]

He likes nature

And is a very good boy.

[stray herald]

Boooooring

And then titania gets some lore bc silver grove

[normal mountain]

at least he has some lore

[stray herald]

She gets an actual quest, but not Oberon

[normal mountain]

There are some frames who have nothing to them

Garuda

[stray herald]

Im betting on oberon and titania to be protos, then

[normal mountain]

That would be fun

[sweet wadi]

Would be neat

[normal mountain]

They should be married too

[stray herald]

More to english themed frames

[sweet wadi]

Especially if Oberon is a strait laced paragon type that is put off by how everyone else is so… uh…

“Sweet Luna will you stop flirting with me for FIVE MINUTES?”

[stray herald]

Temple (tempo) is gonna be a protoframe, and i think oberon and titania are gonna be there, maybe valkyr for potential god of war ref?

[normal mountain]

Maybe

BUT I WANT LOKI

[stray herald]

Imagine styanax

[sweet wadi]

No one plays Loki anymore though

[stray herald]

Imagine loki and styanax

[normal mountain]

I play Loki

[sweet wadi]

I’m sorry

[normal mountain]

Also, Loki is about one of the only OG frames not to have a proto yet

[stray herald]

But where did the main protos get their team name, the hex

[sweet wadi]

There’s six of them

[normal mountain]

^

[stray herald]

But its also synonymous with dark magic

[sweet wadi]

It’s a play on words I guess, because they feel cursed

But mostly because they’re a team of 6

[restive river]

Technically we’re now part of the hex too :p
we’re part of the team

I’m sure they’ll explain how the other protos fit in to some degree
Whether they’re part of the team or a separate team we get in contact with

And I’m sure if we get to have chats with them we’ll find out how they met Albrecht and became partial warframes
Since we get that to a degree with the Hex in the chats and they had their own comic

[sweet wadi]

Or maybe they’ll be enemies

[normal mountain]

...never thought of that

Rival team has some merits

Or just straight up enemies sided with Scaldra

[stray herald]

Maybe albrecht went into the loop at some point and primed another group

[restive river]

I mean
We’re getting them as skins so to some extent we need to become allies with them :p

[stray herald]

He was at one point still in the loop in the good ending, only in mention

[restive river]

We already know he made others

[sweet wadi]

I mean skins aren’t exactly canon.

[restive river]

Eh, that largely depends
Some skins are canon some aren’t
The gemini skins do appear to be canon to some extent

I mean the Drifter literally talks to some of the Hex about bringing them into the future :p

[normal mountain]

Are you implying my Sevagoth Glaukas skin isn't canon?

[restive river]

And the voice lines changing to reflect our relationship with them

[sweet wadi]

But you can also talk to them in their own skin at the mall

[restive river]

I mean yeah
There’s a level to that that isn’t canon

I really doubt they’ll be enemies though, no more than the Hex were to us
Though we don’t know what their goals are compared to the Hex

Like Temple’s protoframe might love being a partial warframe and doesn’t care about Albrecht or even wants to thank him, unaware of the truths about him

[sweet wadi]

I doubt it will be a whole new syndicate to farm though

[restive river]

Oh same

The only story we’re getting from the new protos is if they’re getting KIM chats too

Which if they are means they’re likely dateable
At most I could see some or all being new vendors in the mall

Which is why I doubt they’d be enemies to us
Especially if we can chat with them

[sweet wadi]

Idk being able to troll your enemies on KIM would be funny

[normal mountain]

Stalker Kim chat wehn?

[sweet wadi]

Text them ‘skill issue’ every time you kill them.

[normal mountain]

I can imagine chatting with Vay Hek

He'd just leave the caps lock on

[north jolt]

TBF A LOT of frames don't really have their own quests. At most maybe a boss fight to grind but nothing all that lore relevant to the frame itself

[restive river]

Yeah but then there’s the whole dating thing
Which
Enemies to lovers would be funny lol

[sweet wadi]

Actually forget everything we have talked about.

We need a mesa protoframe as an aggressively patriotic American stereotype

[north jolt]

The Leverian was suppose to introduce some lore to individual frames, but it went bankrupt

[sweet wadi]

“Swords? Sounds like WOKE NONSENSE to me.” Peacemaker intensifies

[north jolt]

"Melee is for the Bri*ish!"

[normal mountain]

Bonus points for Southern accent

[sweet wadi]

On a crusade to replace all the satanic on-lyne merch with good, wholesome music like Dolly Parton and Johnny Cash

[north jolt]

But so far we know Temple will be one of the next protos ( thanks ) but Im still betting on Rhino, Ember, Ash, Loki and Frost in no particular order to be next

[sweet wadi]

Rhino would make sense

[restive river]

I need her to chant “USL USL!”

[north jolt]

I have the feeling that outside of a handful of "New" frames getting proto variants like Cyte and Temple, DE might stick with the original cast of 9, least for a while

[normal mountain]

Be funny if Amir found that awkward

[restive river]

Lmao

I mean
America in 1999?
Alt Earth?
I wonder how it differs

[north jolt]

No techrot because every American just already owns a flamethrower

[normal mountain]

Ember proto (if exists) to Albrecht: "Which one gives me fire powers?"

[sweet wadi]

“YOU ARE NOW BEING PEACE-KEPT.”

[north jolt]

If we get a proto Ember, I hope her animation has some kind of callback to the original "world on fire" ability

Like summoning pillars of fire around her during the anime pose

[normal mountain]

Probably would
Or something like her fire armor ability

[sweet wadi]

Canadian Frost

[north jolt]

Scythe skin but its a hocky stick

[sweet wadi]

Oh boy lemme tell’yah, these Scaldra hosers aren’t doin warcrimes right.

[stiff fable]

https://tenor.com/view/alright-chill-alright-everyone-arnold-schwarzenegger-dr-victor-fries-mr-freeze-gif-16328166

[turbid vigil]

maybe her doing the exploding animation of her 4 where she does the weird pose where fire erupts from her body

[smoky solstice]

ok guys

I still got no idea what we end as we began means

like specifically

I only have a vague idea and it seems to be a thing that comes up a lot

please help

[feral cape]

I mean it means that we end as we began

However we've started is how we're going to end

[smoky solstice]

where did we begin

or how did we begin

yes with the orokin

but what I mean is what is the theme, what is the main idea of this

[feral cape]

With albretch his whole issues began with absolute nothingness and that is where he's going to end wally

Wally was nothing to begin with albretch will make wally nothing again

[smoky solstice]

but the "we end" part isn't like we will end up there

it's like that's the current situation

at least I think

and it is in connection to another line

"to cosmic forms from tangeant planes... we end as we began"

[feral cape]

Bau probably has better answers

[smoky solstice]

idk I feel like it's to do with the orokin mentality of wanting to just surpass all boundaries there are

at first they wanted immortality, then they wanted to conquer other systems because that wasn't enough for them

but I'm not sure what the "we end" part means

how does the current situation relate to that

is it really about just that? because then why does it get repeated in the final cutscene of whispers

"yet still we end as we began"? wtf does that mean?

[lean garden]

It began with us

Wanderlust

The dream/desire to go beyond and explore

[smoky solstice]

ok so how does that fit into whispers

or the void war

[lean garden]

We end as we began is a multi-entendre shenanigan because it applies so many ways

[scenic depot]

Who is olemedi and why did they hide the kurias in the most annoying spots

[smoky solstice]

sure but usually multi-entendres work by referring to multiple things at once, in this case it would have to relate to the original meaning of the line

[smoky solstice]

man there's so much stuff in the maps that I'm still finding out

like only today I found out there's a spot in the labs where there's a thing you break for a 60 min credit booster

[scenic depot]

I found out about the kurias after like 40 hours bc someone showed me one

[scenic depot]

Those are random

[lean garden]

Wally and albrechts beef.

Wally began with albrecht, its possible that wally seeks an end through albrecht.

Albrecht's whole journey started by trying to prove that the void isnt nothing, his journey might end by making sure theres nothing

[scenic depot]

And VERY rare I've gotten one in 900 hours

[smoky solstice]

there's also just extremely weird details, sections of maps that no one playing the game normally would even know about

[scenic depot]

How did anyone find the kurias

[lean garden]

Hard work

[smoky solstice]

I also only recently found out that if you get killed by Zanuka, your warframe gets captured and there's a hidden mission type to retrieve it

like what

[scenic depot]

Especially since half the rooms just don't want to spawn for me

[smoky solstice]

honestly it would be nice if those things were discovered more naturally, like there was some incentive to go deeper and find stuff like this, because damn does it take a keen eye to see a lot of this

but ig it's also nice that you can find stuff like these even after a lot of hours of playtime

discovering stuff, makes you feel like there's always something you don't know about

[lean garden]

Zanuka's mission was more easily acquirable back when we didnt power creep then curb stomp zanuka

[smoky solstice]

even if you put hundreds of hours into the same tilesets

[smoky solstice]

true, I honestly assumed it was some legacy mission type because why bother anymore
I guess that's just the DE way, keep everything as it is

having these time capsules of old warframe

which was so much different to what it is today

[scenic depot]

The kurias have very important grineer lore

[humble sierra]

I wish Kuria's could be seen with Loot Radars

Like how Somachords and Cephalon fragments can

And if they want them to feel more secretive, they can just make them look like a generic crate or something

Like medallions

[gusty trail]

Man i can't understand the VOID at all...
At first it was a way to travel to TAU with chaotic energy
then it we have the void tile set, that is not the void but is the void...
then Entrati's Void that some how is not the same VOID used to travel
and then the Void that Zariman is blocking, and i have no idea how they are all the same and not the same
because if Zariman is blocking the Void 'invasion" than wtf is the void tile set
and if the void is a place between dimesions or a "warp" of sorts, how did Entrati managed to get in there and "merge it" with sanctum atomica without gettin him self corrupted by it like the enemies in the void tile set?

[scenic depot]

The void basically just does whatever de wants it to do at the time

[humble sierra]

The Void tileset is within the Void but it's an Orokin Tower

It's a "secure" area

While the Zariman is prone to the Void's wrath

[lean garden]

1. The void was both the source of power and the medium by which the Zariman was to go to Tau
2. which void tileset?
3. Entrati's void is the same void, its just having different constructs conceptually embodied in that region
4. The zariman is blocking the void. You see duviri is a conceptually embodied place within the void
5. entrati's first magic tric was to figure out how to get there.
6. corrupted enemies tend to either be a) orokin neural sentried or b) possibly weak willed. Albrecht is neither

[gusty trail]

2. in the star chart there is a place called "Void" that was what i was referring as tileset, i might be using the word wrong, english is hard some times lol xD

[lean garden]

That tileset is the void tower tileset. Void towers are constructs made by the orokin to shelter them in the void, letting them hide from the Sentients who could not enter without seriously injuring themselves

Youre not actually in the void, youre in a building in the void

[gusty trail]

So a "pocket dimension" of our dimension inside the Void...
Them way didn't Wally interacted with the Sentients... or they were sent to TAU before Albrecht "provoked" Wally
and why Wally didn't interacted with Lua during the time it was hidden in the Void by Lotus, actually i don't remember if it was hidden in the void

[stiff fable]

? The Sentients took the long way to Tau, flying in real space

Order of events is:
Orokin take over the solar system
Albrecht goes crazy trying to discover how to physically enter the Void
Albrecht physically enters the Void
The Zariman is sent off, vanishes, reappears
The Orokin decide to send the Sentients to Tau the long way
The Sentients develop sapience
The Sentients reach Tau, terraform it
The Sentients realize the Orokin are the worst
The Sentients finish terraforming Tau, connect the Void Junction, start the Old War

[gusty trail]

slightly different form what i remember
Afaik, the sentients were made to terraform TAU for the Orokin since they screwed the solar system
They sent them there through the void, theorizing that even if they developed sapience, traveling through the void would've let them sterilized and unable to procreate
And it worked, Hun Hao even say's something about it in Jade's quest, "my scarred womb..."
Then after sentients where sent there, but before they traveling back, Zariman was sent to Tau... Wally happens
Zarimans come back, they start experiments with the children
now idk if Warframes were made before or after the sentients started invading, or if they were made because they saw the Tenno void powers

[stiff fable]

The Zariman came first (corroborated by the Zariman logs never mentioning the existence of Sentients). The Void weakness was to give the Orokin a way to eliminate the Sentients if they went rogue, and kill them if they tried to return via Void travel.
Instead, the Sentients hid inside of Praghasa and were only sterilized instead of obliterated by their Void bath.

[lean garden]

The warframes are a response to the Sentients, this is not up for debate

[stiff fable]

Last but not least, the Warframes were a separate program entirely, based on Ballas combining the three previous forces they'd used to try and counter the Sentients

[feral cape]

Warframes are also before tenno

Kullevero witnessed the return of the zariman from the void and the integration of the children into the warframe project

I want to learn about more old war technological developments

I can't imagine they literally only ever tried infested countermeasures

[humble sierra]

Most Orokin tech is biologically based, I think

[brittle siren]

Well some ppl like to explore map and scanner can catch a glimpse of them
I first know about kuria when I use Orokin eyes

[smoky solstice]

not sure if this is accurate, if that was true, they wouldn't have a problem with the sentients (based on the "our hubris shone like black star, for our war-machines were your kin" line in the sacrifice)

in fact it sounds like it was literally just the warframes

[smoky solstice]

also, the thing that struck me as weird about this, while I do agree with this timeline, for some reason the Orokin taking over the solar system feels weird to me pre-Albrecht venture. Not saying that this isn't true, again I probably agree, but it seems like Wally's finger was the basis upon which space travel happens. So did they just use different tech to colonize all the planets? And if so, what kind of advantage did the finger give the Orokin apart from I guess better space travel, although not so much better as to let them do anything too insane?

I mean I guess the finger enabled the zariman ten-0?

plus it's like when Albrecht is describing what the Orokin had accomplished, he's describing stuff on Earth

which feels strange if they've already colonized the whole solar system

[stiff fable]

Better space travel is enough

[smoky solstice]

yeah idk, it just felt cooler in my head at first if it did enable space travel