lore-discussion

[lean garden]

These like-faced savages, these earth-worn mules, a vast violent ocean at our command. Yet they wither. Mired in massed steel and flesh, casting these hordes from gene molds and flock minds, we inspire nothing.

Our demons of void womb must be different. Unusual. Singular. Crafted without cast, wrought of the finest ore, slender and queer.

Sight without eye. Wrath without sound.

Not a soldier, but a myth. Not a warrior... a spirit... Banshee.

the grineer were under orokin command

[steel hazel]

ok

[woven coyote]

Think you mixed the narration with the background action

[steel hazel]

possibly

[woven coyote]

We actually know what orokin era grineer look like btw so we know the action happening in the banshee trailer isnt in the old war or colapse

[steel hazel]

takes notes

[woven coyote]

https://youtu.be/9O-yCnQKYhM?si=iHmqc0MtbmEEEvQY

Woops let me look again for the right time

And i still want that special arrow as a mod for paris

[steel hazel]

that still looks like one of the modern grineer units to me

like theyre fighting alot of dax

[woven coyote]

Yeah 2 minute mark

[woven coyote]

For one their face isnt melting lol

[steel hazel]

ah i see

i had jumped to the 3:30 mark

their armor is sleeker i can see

still not pretty

[woven coyote]

Face is distinctly free of super grineer cancer

[north ferry]

These would be some of the OG Grineer Soliders that were labourers conscripted to warfare during the Old War.

[swift steppe]

what is drumroll

[woven coyote]

Just a pun with the night of naga drums

[swift steppe]

oh

[steel hazel]

yeah, the drumsolo heard round the system

[swift steppe]

oh

[austere cedar]

I have never agreed with a comment so much...

[plush phoenix]

the person who created ao3 brought unimaginable evil into the world but it's the only place i post my fanfiction so it's impossible to say if it's good or bad

[strange turtle]

Who?

[chrome rivet]

Are the Entratis big because of the Infestation or part of their Orokin bodies?

[tall echo]

Grey strain makes stuff big

[sweet wadi]

Doesn’t the existence of voidtounge imply that other entities aside from the indifference are native to the void? A language requires a need to communicate to develop.

[lean garden]

not necessarily

A language requires a need to communicate to develop.
There is a whole set of beings that Wally would like to communicate with

-# Hoomans

[graceful swan]

Animals

[sweet wadi]

The idea that voidtongue was made to talk to the cavia, who had no language of their own, is oddly cute and I love it.

I did always like how Tagfer fumbled with describing the whispers. Like he knows what they are, but human languages aren’t equipped to explain them so he has to find a rough analogy to get his idea across.

[north jolt]

Yeah I was gonna say they didn't really "rebel" so much as tried to fill the power vacuum once the Orokin were killed off

I wonder, considering this would of been before the clone rot started setting in, had they actually been successful in controlling at least a majority of the system, would they of been able to form a functional and prosperous (but still authoritarian) Sol system government?

[hushed parcel]

what is Sevagoth lore

i need Sevagoth lore, Kullervo lore, Styanax lore, Xaku lore and Nezha lore

[graceful swan]

That’s a lot of lore to ask for all at once

[hushed parcel]

take your time

just need the core aspects

[old dome]

he was a rescue ship's captain that saved so many ppl before & during the old war that he became a legend bc of it. he has a whole quest abt him.

kullervo: find it in duviri during sorrow, anger, & fear cycles. he has a hold dedicated to him & his lore.

for the other 3: leverian.

[graceful swan]

Xaku doesn’t have lore do they?

[chilly iron]

Outside of "this thing is 2 dudes and a lady frame all smashed together" I don't know anything

[silk atlas]

Xaku's got nothin, yeah

[old dome]

thats p much it i think...

[graceful swan]

Even the prime didn’t give any lore because DE were busy working on 1999

[strange turtle]

On my knees begging that Sev, Xaku and Lavos get their own “trailers” made post release

Those 3 were the Potential Frames of Prime Trailers

[feral cape]

I think the 3 way domain panel is better than this one tbh

[sturdy arrow]

Who is Lillian?

[digital grail]

Calibur chicks

[sturdy arrow]

O

[woven coyote]

Character from in universe arcade game

Which you can play in amir's arcade

[sturdy arrow]

I knew the arcade game, I just didn’t know who the girls were

[north jolt]

New theory time. Murmur are weak to radiation, Murmur are also just fragments of Wally's physical form, hence Wally is weak to radiation, so I figured out the BEST way to defeat Wally!

https://tenor.com/view/demon-core-gif-5957878309421902420

[restive river]

What’s the lore reason for sentients being weak to cold

[north jolt]

They keep forgetting their winter jackets

[strange turtle]

The real reason the Void is their weakness is just because it’s really cold

[restive river]

I think the real reason is just they needed a gameplay weakness :p

Also idk bout the void being cold exactly

Like
Space can be pretty cold and they took the long way to Tau

[strange turtle]

Yeah but the Void is super cold

[north jolt]

It it shuts off their ability to regenerate/adapt/reproduce somehow?

[restive river]

That would be the void

[north jolt]

Well we know for sure it shuts off their reproduction

[north jolt]

oh, durr

[restive river]

Also the void

[strange turtle]

That’s why Sevagoth has a scarf

[restive river]

Source?
Like I wouldn’t doubt it but I don’t think the void has much of a temperature in either direction.

[strange turtle]

Oh no I was just joking

[north jolt]

Yeah I can't really think of a UNIQUE reason for being weak to cold

[restive river]

Oh ok :p

[north jolt]

If we do ever make it to Tau the Tenet Glaxion and Prisma Lenz are going to be super busted there

I know, Im lazy and this should be taken with a grain of salt (especially since its Google AI) but, the first explanation in particular was one I was already kinda leaning towards anyways

[restive river]

If I had to guess they’ll have Tau Sentients have slightly different weaknesses, like what they did for all the other factions

[north jolt]

Basically cold slows them down, therefore they cant adapt as quickly. Just a theory but pretty straight forward

[restive river]

1. That’s an AI overview, would not trust it.
2. Its def just for gameplay purposes, unfortunately not everything has a lore connection.

[north jolt]

I mean I dont doubt it being a case of DE laziness either BUT if I had to make up a possible lore explanation, least to me this is the most convincing one

[restive river]

I wouldn’t call that laziness but aight

[chilly iron]

Heap of salt, AI doesn't do anything but parrot what it scrapes off the internet. All of it. Including wrong stuff.
Gameplay balance, more like.

[north jolt]

Realistically yeah, I dont think any other factions have a specific weakness to cold do they?

Yeah just sentient so, I guess every element has to have its niche use

But you know, being the lore channel and all, I like to speculate and theorize :p

[chilly iron]

If it were me, and I was an orokin designer of a semi-autonomous machine race thing, I would build in a weakness as a safeguard. Maybe a couple. That could be one.

[sweet wadi]

Cold is an absence of energy and therefore cannot be absorbed by sentient systems

There’s an explanation if you want.

[silk atlas]

That's what the Void weakness was for.

[chilly iron]

Right, right, that too. Why not both! As a treat.

[north jolt]

Oh definitely and we already canonically know void was was one of them, so guess that would make cold the other

[visual ermine]

Similar to what i was about to make up, lol. Like they convert energy into other forms to adapt, so that gives them nothing

[north jolt]

I also find this convincing

[warm birch]

i think void was just the silly cousin that nobody understands

not necessarily a specific weakness just that nobody can do anything about it

[north jolt]

void is wibbly wobbley interdimensional energy stuff

Maybe a little bit of a macguffin

[sweet wadi]

Oddly, Sentients can be corrupted if they appear in fissure missions

[north jolt]

To me its also weird that void fissures can occur in Orokin towers already located in the void, with enemies technically already corrupted

[visual ermine]

A cold elemental gun is harder to explain really. Like you have to be constantly conducting endothermic reactions

[north jolt]

Liquid nitrogen bullets

[sweet wadi]

I assumed it was the ‘raw’ void leaking into the controlled pocket dimension of the Orokin towers.

[north jolt]

But then why are already corrupted enemies (corrupted by the tower's defense systems) getting corrupted again?

[sweet wadi]

Idk man

[chilly iron]

Corrupted by the towers defense system

Sorry, hit enter
And then AGAIN by the void

[warm birch]

corrupted^2

[chilly iron]

Either way, it makes cracking relics a little more difficult XD

WHICH CORRUPTED, LOTUS

[north jolt]

What still confuses me though is that enemies corrupted by void fissures anywhere else on the star chart look identical to the corrupted enemies in the void towers, even after being double corrupted

[warm birch]

orokin corrupted just puts them under control
pure void corruption makes them stronger too

[warm birch]

i don't think so, the corruption effect is visible specifically only on those exposed to fissures

we have corrupted (faction) and corrupted (fissure)

fissure corrupted gives like the golden outline + lines

[sweet wadi]

The neural sentry as a concept confuses me already. It feels like another sentient waiting to happen. “Yes let’s hook up a bunch of minds to our automated defense system.”

[north jolt]

Golden static effect

[feral cape]

No

They are specifically weak to the void by design

[north jolt]

But yeah thats the one change I've noticed. They go from being gold to being gold and distorted

[warm birch]

it was?

[feral cape]

Space being cold isn't a big issue

Space while cold also doesn't really have any way to strip you of heat

You'll die from a myriad of issues before the cold kills you

[feral cape]

Yes by Archimedean perintol

[warm birch]

wasn't it more like sentients had no counter but the orokin then realized you can use void to kill them

[warm birch]

ah

when did tenno come, before or after sentients?

[feral cape]

Tuvul peered down at me. "And when it completes its task, what will prevent it from turning against us, as the Seven Principles say?"

"The flaw."

Tuvul's eyes narrowed. "The flaw?"

"The Void is poison to them. Once they have reached Tau they will be marooned there. To travel the Rail here would destroy them. Whatever the risks, the Origin System will be—"

Ballas shouted, "Enough! Dereliction of the law threatens the entire empire. Which one of you will risk this?" Ballas was growing increasingly frustrated.

[feral cape]

After

The tenno returned to sol during the old war as shown in kulleveros crimes

[warm birch]

ok yeah so that part of my timeline was right

the orokin just didn't have a proper harness for the void

[feral cape]

They have a ton of void technology

Hell they have the heart of deimos it's an intentional design

[warm birch]

guh i forgot the heart existed lmao

[acoustic helm]

I have a few questions. I’ve come back to Warframe after about four years of hiatus. It’s become my hyper-fixation of the month again. If anyone is able to answer lore questions I would appreciate it.

Weirdly, to start with, do Orokin Aristocracy eat or are they fully sustained by Kuva? If they do eat, is it different to the cube food we see on the Zariman?

And if they DO eat, do they also use chopsticks or do they use a knife and a fork (I know these are strange questions I am sorry)

[normal mountain]

Haven't seen anything about them being sustained by Kuva, but I doubt it

Last I heard, it was used almost exclusively for Continuity

[acoustic helm]

Amazing, thank you.

[normal mountain]

Though Grandmother did mention a blue Kuva that had properties that reminded me of Transference

[acoustic helm]

Holy crap, that’s great to know. Thank you.

[normal mountain]

Was a temporary body control, not permanent

[acoustic helm]

Huh, interesting

[normal mountain]

I thought so too

[acoustic helm]

Did Orokin Continuity happen before or after the return of the Zariman?

[normal mountain]

Dunno, actually

[acoustic helm]

By return i mean the tenno lol

[normal mountain]

There's a lot we still don't know about the Orokin

And probably a lot we DON'T want to know lol

[acoustic helm]

This is a shame because I’m really fascinated by the implications of some of the culture

Specifically, the blend of cultures we see in the tenno

Because the Orokin are similar to Imperial Rome, but the Tenno are very south east asian in philosophy and culture.

So my next question is did the colonists on the Zariman come from a society that was folded into a conquering Orokin empire?

Or do the Orokin also have a mix of cultures I missed that include South East Asian philosophy

[normal mountain]

As far as I know, they were just ordinary citizens
Mix of farmers and scholars
And at least one weapons expert (Cavalero is a wee bit obsessed imo)

[acoustic helm]

(I have been thinking about all this for weeks)

[normal mountain]

Fair

It is a rather expansive place for lore

[acoustic helm]

Thank you for answering my questions

In your opinion, was the void jump the Zariman made designed to kill everyone intentionally?

[normal mountain]

No problem
I just wish one of the bigger lore brains were here to discuss this with you

[acoustic helm]

Yonta was ordered or pressured to make the jump by the Orokin, and I’m wondering if it was a planned thing

[normal mountain]

I'm more of an amateur with a good memory

[acoustic helm]

It’s still very appreciated and anyone here who has a different answer is free to ping me either here or in DM any time.

[normal mountain]

@tall echo you there?
Someone has questions

[tall echo]

Eh

When did I become the one that gets pinged for lore

[normal mountain]

Well, you're the one I remember talking to the most
So you were first pick

[tall echo]

It wasn't, most of the deaths were caused by sabotage or kids with void powers

The zariman was fully intended to make the jump without issue, things just happened to go south

[acoustic helm]

Thank you so much. I appreciate everyone here being kind. <3

[graceful swan]

Orokin wouldn't have designed it to kill them they needed them to colonize Tau

[tall echo]

The impatience of the orokin might've had something to do with it, but that's not certain

[old dome]

...the zariman is kinda like the titanic but not really, if you think abt it.

(titanic had weak structure that couldnt withstand the cold temps it was supposed to sail through...)

[acoustic helm]

What I was trying to figure out was if it was like Roanoke or whether it was more like sending prisoners to Australia

They had over population issues either way.

[old dome]

uhhhh roanoke in this case

[acoustic helm]

Amazing. Thank you.

[old dome]

since its more of a myth place than an actual one

[tall echo]

Zariman was the first thing sent to terraform tau and prepare it for colonization

[old dome]

iirc the zariman became a myth after so many centuries... i could be wrong...

[acoustic helm]

So pre sentients

[tall echo]

Ye

[acoustic helm]

Nice that makes a lot of sense, thank you

[graceful swan]

Sentients weren't even the second attempt

[acoustic helm]

That is kind of sad lol

[old dome]

actually yeah... whats the order of colonization attempts here??

[graceful swan]

Sentients were only made after countless attempts that failed including the Zariman

[acoustic helm]

I would love to ask the writers who worked on Duviri what their inspiration was tbh because it has interesting parallels to buddhist mythology.

[normal mountain]

Zariman must have been the most spectacular fail I guess

[acoustic helm]

It’s like all the space programs on earth we’ve had

The first ones are always TERRIBLE.

Apollo 1 killed three people in a fire and Soyuz 1 crashed into the ground on re-entry and killed the only pilot on board

Legit the Zariman failing is honestly very true to history lmao

My interests are history and culture based which is why I’m asking so many questions about specific things like food and culture.

The Roman Empire expanded far enough east to fold the Kushans into it. That triggered a Roman-Greco-Buddhist culture mix which is fascinating and reminds me of the Tenno.

[normal mountain]

Well, aside from the Zariman food and the Ostrons' various cuisine (that Ordis likes to warn us about), I don't think there's much talk about food

Be nice if DE would fund a cookbook though

[acoustic helm]

Oh god I would love a cookbook

Because that would confirm or deny specific cultural inspirations at least

Like the Ostrons remind me of some Inuit and Austronesian cultures. Especially the way they harvest the Orokin tower

[normal mountain]

If they get a creative enough chef behind it, maybe they could create their own flavor profile

Oh right
The tower

[old dome]

the bear: warframe edition...?

[acoustic helm]

Cetus meaning whale in Latin. They harvest blubber from the tower and it’s an interesting symbiotic relationship that mirrors some Inuit mythology

[normal mountain]

Managed to forget about tower meat for a long time
Thank you for thwarting my progress

[acoustic helm]

Why would you ever willingly forget about the tower meat thats the best part about cetus

Warframe is a horror game thats masked itself as a space MMORPG

It’s fantastic

[old dome]

how does it produce meat anyway...?

[normal mountain]

Ever sat by the Ostrons working the tower for 5 min?

[acoustic helm]

It regenerates willingly

It lets the Ostrons do it via the Unum to communicate how to do it without triggering the defenses

[normal mountain]

Watch them carve off those giant slabs of meat?
Nearly made me sick when I realized what it was

[feral cape]

Long long before

[acoustic helm]

Yesss thank you so much.

So yeah, take too much from the tower and the symbiotic relationship is broken and they get murked

[normal mountain]

That was one of the first times a video game nearly made me sick

[silk atlas]

Source: Albrecht talks about stopping doing Continuity personally before the Zariman even leaves lol

[feral cape]

The zariman only returned during the old war following the first warframe insurrection

[acoustic helm]

That’s fantastic. Incredible stuff. Thank you so much.

[normal mountain]

I forgot that Albrecht predated the Zariman
How though?
Without that Entrati research, Void travel wasn't even a thing to consider

My brain sometimes, I swear

[acoustic helm]

It’s hard to try and keep track of all the different things happening in the universe. I’ve got I think 12 different databases going for different eras and factions

[acoustic helm]

He and his daughter worked on the Zariman ship designs

Once he made first contact with the void thats when they started looking at colonising the Tau system via the Zariman

[normal mountain]

Can't say I'm surprised Albrecht had a hand in the Zariman

...oof, bad joke

Wally finger was the power source

[acoustic helm]

It’s very very cool. The lore surrounding the Entrari is fascinating

I have a massive amount of appreciation for all the writers involved with Warframe. Like I said, the lore would suggest that the game is actually horror and not a space MMORPG lmfao

[normal mountain]

It is indeed
Apparently, Parvos used his stolen Entrati research to design his Protea warframe
Which suddenly makes sense, considering Albrecht cracked time travel

Warframe a horror game
Alright, that kinda fits
I'll give you that

I mean, Chains of Harrow was definitely horror
And the Infestation falls under the same branch as Halo's Flood, so there's that

But I never would have stopped to think that the entire game was horror
It kinda is

[thick viper]

Well, I have a theory on time travel that Lavos being a scaldra

Just by designs

[normal mountain]

Okay, how does your theory not conflict with his Leverian?

Curious

[smoky solstice]

well, not exactly very horror like all things considered but that was the closest to straight up horror the game ever gets

I'd say the plot definitely has a lot of cosmic horror elements though

especially in the recent quests

I mean DE even used a quote from Lovecraft for the Netra mod in a devstream, I assume before they got the poem together

so the writers are definitely familiar with that

[thick viper]

Well, since a part of warframe story got rewrote (see technocytes part), it can be largely possible that lavos would be a scaldra

[tall echo]

No warframe predates the orokin

[thick viper]

Eh ?

[tall echo]

...what

[smoky solstice]

well now with Entrati going to 1999, it's a little weirder but your point is true for sure, I mean the protoframes are still Orokin origin

[tall echo]

Protos wouldn't exist without the base designs

[thick viper]

In Entrati's mind

[smoky solstice]

oh btw, what is the etiquette here regarding devshorts/devstream leaks? aka one of the devs saying something that is not intended to be known
do we acknowledge it or just pretend it didn't happen

[thick viper]

Since deimos, dagonic ore from dagon

[smoky solstice]

I'm sure you guys know what I'm talking about but

idk if we're just all pretending nothing happened or are talking about it

[normal mountain]

I'd say acknowledge that it happened, but wait for official confirmation/reveal/release

[smoky solstice]

because like I do want to talk about it

but idk if you guys talk about that

[normal mountain]

Think it might be better for spoiler chat

[smoky solstice]

so don't talk about it until the reveal? also it's basically confirmed at this point, it's really just a thing where I don't wanna do something that's not kosher

[smoky solstice]

oh I thought these channels were interchangeable in terms of spoilers, just that this is specialized for lore and that isn't

[tall echo]

No unreleased content here, but acceptable in spoiler

[normal mountain]

That's what I thought too

[tall echo]

What does that mean

[smoky solstice]

no unrevealed content you mean?

interesting that it's acceptable in spoiler but not here

different crowds ig

[tall echo]

Unreleased

[smoky solstice]

I mean, people talk about stuff that's announced if it has to do with the lore I think

like if a quest was revealed in a devstream, we might talk about it here

[tall echo]

Unreleased= not in game

[normal mountain]

Like the Coda

I've seen Coda discussions here

[smoky solstice]

like what happened when the whole 1999 thing happened at the pre-whispers tennocon, I assume you had to have talked about it, no?

[tall echo]

Sometimes there's exceptions

[normal mountain]

Though that's a weird one
The Coda have lore released in-game

But aren't released themselves

[smoky solstice]

idk, I mean if the devs intentionally reveal something big, I see no reason not to theorize
it's just that this was an unfortunate moment and not intended

anyway

[silk atlas]

Nothing was rewritten. It's just that they want to also call Techrot a type of Infestation. The whole Warframe process was invented in the Orokin Era, long after the Scaldra already just stopped existing.

[smoky solstice]

I'll just not talk about it until I assume the next devstream?

that's probably where it all gets revealed

it's not really a big deal anyway

has there even been a moment where a DE dev has accidentally revealed something absolutely huge? like most of what I've seen has been accidentally spoiling primes

[thick viper]

That's not what I wanted to say and I can't talk about it in english so don't mind me, sorry

[feral cape]

No it's not

[smoky solstice]

which isn't really that important given that you can kinda guess who's next, at least put the list down to a few frames

[normal mountain]

Not that I can remember
Then again, I only really got into the community around Jade Shadows
DE was very careful to avoid that bombshell

[smoky solstice]

wait, I'm still a little confused as to whether the infestation was a thing pre-albrecht's interference
was it?

[normal mountain]

It was

[tall echo]

It was

[smoky solstice]

would it have gotten as bad

[tall echo]

Probably

[thick viper]

So the lotus having lines changed is for the techrot

[silk atlas]

The whole Techrot stuff was already there before Albrecht came along, yeah

[smoky solstice]

oh I haven't seen any like quest spoilers from DE so far, which would probably be the main thing the team is like "if you spoil this, you're in a LOT of trouble" and so they're like completely tight lipped about it

I mean Steve certainly does try though

I didn't even know Steve was screwing with Rebb with the "pregnant warframe" thing, bro was playing with fire

[smoky solstice]

lotus had lines changed?

[thick viper]

Searching where but ye

[silk atlas]

In the quest that introduces the Infested, one line was changed

[smoky solstice]

which one

[silk atlas]

Don't know, remember, nor care

[smoky solstice]

did it just like put the timeline further back as to when the infestation began

what is the quest again? once awake?

[tall echo]

We never had details on that

[thick viper]

It changed from something like "Infestation came from Orokin era" to "Infestation existed before orokin era" smthg like that

[normal mountain]

Once Awake

[smoky solstice]

ok a couple things changed
firstly it seems like the email has changed, seems like it was mainly to include the Saya part, although it also seems like the infestation spreading was changed from "oh we did it but most likely an infected ship will keep spreading it" to "we did it but someone else is likely to do this again"
and then it seems like the line "we thought the infested died off with the Orokin. For hundreds of years there was nothing, now this. Where did the Grineer find these creatures?" to "The Infestation predates the Orokin Era, with records of outbreaks dating back to before the Radiation wars. We must prevent a new outbreak."

It's kinda weird since the replaced line doesn't contradict anything but I guess they just wanted to setup that the infestation existed before the Orokin, so it feels more natural to see it in 1999 later.

not entirely a retcon then, I mean maybe the writers at first intended it to have started with the Orokin but they didn't really write themselves into a corner there since it was never explicit so

yeah, not really important

radiation wars mention I guess

[normal mountain]

Wonder what the Radiation Wars were

[tall echo]

WW3 and beyond feat. Technocyte

[smoky solstice]

it's known to have featured the infestation? was it the catalyst for these wars?

honestly it's mentioned like nowhere in the game so I doubt anyone knows much

aside from big wars, seem to relate to the rise of the Orokin but who knows

oh but perhaps we will see more of it

now that we're going back in time and all that

how cool would that be, mid-war Earth

[tall echo]

Destruction of an arctic hive cluster ended one of the wars

[normal mountain]

Old old war

[tall echo]

Duviri tablet lore

[smoky solstice]

oh that's right

I think I know exactly where that tablet is since I read it today weirdly enough

that's a sad flex, I'm sorry

[tall echo]

Big owl puzzle iirc

[normal mountain]

Been a bit since I've read the Zariman tablets

[smoky solstice]

oh I thought it was in the little cave city area

there's like a sort of secluded room with a fragment, I thought it was there

[tall echo]

I'm not entirely sure

[smoky solstice]

but yeah, could've been the big owl puzzle

[smoky solstice]

they're all so cool!

even the non-full-Wally ones

[normal mountain]

I know
Duviri is what really kept me in Warframe when I came back at the tail end of Abyss of Dagath

[tall echo]

I still haven't gathered all of the island lore fragments, and since I maxed dripter intrinsics I have no major incentive to

[smoky solstice]

I still haven't even done all of the secrets

I only recently found out about a lot of them

it's gonna take me a while to 100% it

[normal mountain]

Dripter intriniscs lol
Spelling error, but a funny one I rather like

[smoky solstice]

all of the fragments and I still don't have the shawzin

[normal mountain]

New fashion term!

[tall echo]

Look at where p and t are on the keyboard

Intentional

[smoky solstice]

dripter is so good

[tall echo]

Dripter has the drip

[normal mountain]

Oh
Huh
So it is

Okay

I've made weird spelling errors before, so I wasn't judging

[smoky solstice]

I mean I've made spelling mistakes with keys being across the keyboard before, it's not too weird

[normal mountain]

Same

[tall echo]

I make no mistakes

[smoky solstice]

I think it's just a muscle memory conflict thing, where you feel like you need to hit something there when you don't

[tall echo]

I am enough of one

[normal mountain]

Never quite sure how I manage some of them

[summer tundra]

Has DE ever commented on restructuring the story experience? Like, how Alad's story is told completely out of order currently

[humble sierra]

They've talked about it but there's no official plans set in motion

One thing they've done recently is change a bit of the Once Awake quest that introduces the infested, the message you now receive after completing that quest has something to do with Koumei, I believe

[summer tundra]

I see. What exactly did they say about it? Just that they're considering it?

[stiff fable]

They talked about this two years ago as part of the new player experience overhauls they were doing pre-Duviri

[humble sierra]

Yeah I can't find any quote easily because this isn't something they've discussed thoroughly

[stiff fable]

It comes down to the same "revise old content vs create new content" issue that every live service game has

[humble sierra]

Just the concept of overhauling it

[stiff fable]

What they probably should do is create all-new questlines that use the old alerts as the plot

Similar to how Jade Shadows introduced Ascension in a quest and also had a slightly altered version of Ascension for the event

Move Patient Zero to Deimos and create a sequel where he fights Regor for a cure

Alad is thus introduced as a Corpus board member who cured himself of the infestation, and then goes on to create Valkyr

Problem is that this is old ground, and takes away time that could have been used making post-1999 content

[summer tundra]

Honestly I don't think they need to overhaul the content. Just... Move it somewhere else

Honestly just make mutalist salad before tsd and I'm happy

[static pewter]

dose any one have a clan pls

[feral cape]

Oh wow my change to the wiki hasn't been reverted yet fascinating maybe that guy gave up on trying to affirm something false

[humble sierra]

#1202034105899040798

[upbeat glacier]

You know what

I thought parvos was a homie so I decided to spare his sister's

However hearing what he wants to do to jades memory

NOT ANYMORE BUCKO NOW YOUR BUTT IS GRASS

[swift steppe]

wtf you talking about

where does he even talk about jade

[lean garden]

Ascension/Belly of the Beast

thats like the core plot of the mission/event

[upbeat glacier]

It's the quests for ephermas

It's an event

[sturdy arrow]

Unum possibly Wally's secret lover???

[swift steppe]

bro sorry i dont listen to them talking like when im tryna survive and protect the kid and also have people talking to me

anyways i didnt know sorry

[proper barn]

WHY?

HE PRETENDS TO BE OLD MAN THEN TIRED TO KILL US AND THEN WENT

"Work with me or i'll kill your family" in the first quest we see him.

[feral cape]

Also entrati disruption

[upbeat glacier]

Like could our Warframe pop his head like a balloon if we grabbed it with our hands

[proper barn]

no

[swift steppe]

i wish hes so ugly

[upbeat glacier]

Like omniman

[feral cape]

We could probably omni man him

[proper barn]

he literally like tried to kill us also he pretened to be a old weak man

so we would try to HELP HIM

[upbeat glacier]

Like seriously I thought he was sensible

[proper barn]

why?

[swift steppe]

when? i dont remember that

[upbeat glacier]

But noooooo he's worse then ballas

[proper barn]

WHAT PART OF HIM SEEMS sensible?

[swift steppe]

lmao the manipulation worked on u

[proper barn]

watch the quest back before we see him

he sounds weaker on purpose.

[upbeat glacier]

https://youtu.be/NjKa1sHuIFg?si=V0HpU8vR2PiWv7Tv

[proper barn]

YOU REALIZE WHAT THIS MEANS RIGHT?

He is like saying "yeah you ARENT DOING IT GOOD ENOUGH"

also in this is him saying like "oh you found me I am not weak"

[upbeat glacier]

I thought what he was talking about the self reliance and hard work was kinda admirable I thought he was saying you should be awarded for hard work and self reliance

[proper barn]

no

also he says like "that's why you where invited here" in a totally different tone

then before you see him.

[upbeat glacier]

https://youtu.be/ZmyvEiuX11E?si=bUooLa8iPSBz8zeY

This quest

[proper barn]

also all his tenets in that update was like "nah farmers are lazy and I just steal and lie and talk what i want"

[upbeat glacier]

Maybe my hate of nef blinded me

[swift steppe]

im not on my pc rn

[lean garden]

nah it makes sense, his character archetype does that

[swift steppe]

and also what quest

[proper barn]

also

Deadlock

[proper barn]

ALSO The void that talked to him was wally btw

[glacial bough]

He does believe all that. He also doesn't care who get in his way of getting his

[proper barn]

"otherworldly voive" only he can hear

and we learn that he spoke voidtonge before.

and HE HAS THE DEVIL IN HIS EYE

his talk of ildness is "why are you working hard when you CAN TAKE WAHT YOU WANT BY FORCE"

[swift steppe]

oh ok

[glacial bough]

Not quite, his tenet is "never settle for less"

[proper barn]

no it is take what you want.

cuz he got his forunte in the first place

by just stealing.

[stiff fable]

Try and listen to some of his lines when you merk the Sisters. Definitely makes you realize he's not "good Corpus"

[stiff fable]

in PERFECT fairness stealing from the Orokin makes it good by default

[proper barn]

Does it

[stiff fable]

ABSOLUTELY

[proper barn]

he also puts his brother in a slave collar and destorys his family farm.

[stiff fable]

but then he bulldozed his family home and forced his family into wage slavery

[proper barn]

also as ordis says he is basicly a orokin.

[stiff fable]

So he blows

[swift steppe]

what?

[proper barn]

he does

[glacial bough]

That's the next tenet yes, but he's not saying don't work hard, that's part of the reason he hates the current Corpus

[proper barn]

during the belly of the beast.

[swift steppe]

you gotta say more than that buddy

how is he an orokin

[proper barn]

BUT HE IS THOUGH

[stiff fable]

Parvos really loves controlling people, breaking their bodies to work for him better, and breaking their souls to enjoy it

[proper barn]

Ordis says Parvos is like a orokin in all the worst ways.

[swift steppe]

but he IS NOT

[stiff fable]

The only reason the Orokin didn't invite him to their club is that he's classless

[swift steppe]

hes just evil like them

[proper barn]

yeah

that is what is said.

[stiff fable]

Neither is Alad V but people keep saying so years later

The point is that the Corpus suck except Ergo Glast and he still gets the sideeye

[swift steppe]

how do people think that

[stiff fable]

Hunhow calls him one

[swift steppe]

ok but why people trusting hunhow

[stiff fable]

Because to Hunhow all humans = Orokin and need to die in fire

[swift steppe]

YEAH so why people taking what he says as truth

this dude is biased ash

[stiff fable]

Because "bad guys know the REAL truth 100% of the time and never ever lie"

[swift steppe]

thats not real tho LOL...

[glacial bough]

Yes and no. Parvos very much still wants you to work, he's about taking every risk and every action needed. The other reading is what leads to the current Corpus. No effort, no work, and fully undeserving

[stiff fable]

No actually it's a trope in fiction and has been for hundreds of years

People who read a bunch prime themselves to believe villains tell the truth for this reason

[proper barn]

ALSO @swift steppe EVEN CALVERO THE GUY that thought killing rebels in the zariman was good he says like "parvos offered me a bodyguard gig back in the day but i have standards"

also parvos is the one assaulting the zariman to get random orokin goodies.

[swift steppe]

lol i mean why would someone ever accept a bodyguard gig from PARVOS of all people plz

[stiff fable]

Cavalero's kinda based for a 2nd amendment type tho'

[proper barn]

no he wanted him to be his body guard

[swift steppe]

freak

[proper barn]

Calvero is the like head of the guards in the zariman

or was.

[stiff fable]

Anyway yeah that's the reason I still kinda don't believe that Ballas actually programmed Natah into Lotus. Ballas claims it, and Ballas lies about everything.

[proper barn]

Parvos offered him a job and he said no cuz he has standards.

[swift steppe]

is that why hes always so mean when u talk to him

[proper barn]

Calvero?

[swift steppe]

yes

[proper barn]

calvero is soft in certain ways.

[stiff fable]

And yes Albrecht's computer concurs but Ballas saying so makes it less trustworthy

[swift steppe]

i see i see

[proper barn]

when you get higher stats.

rank i mean.

[swift steppe]

ah really

i didnt know lol hes just so rude its crazy

[stiff fable]

As for Cavalero he's a jerk who enjoys violence and negging people

[swift steppe]

lol

[proper barn]

cuz he goes like "everything i did i did so more people would live" and he is like sastified some of the kids lived.

[stiff fable]

He's also traumatized by the stuff that went down on the Zariman both before AND after the crash

[proper barn]

also he talks about like "oh who ever taught you combat did a good job"

[glacial bough]

Lotus herself is the one that confirms Ballas changed her

[proper barn]

ALSO he wants a dog.

I wanna give calvero a dog.

[stiff fable]

Being dead and seeing the other ghosts turn into angels actually helped him because it's so messed up

[proper barn]

Also also

this is a side note but you know all the duviri incarnons? @swift steppe

[swift steppe]

yes ik that

[proper barn]

they exist cuz they are mainfestations of his gun autism.

[swift steppe]

incarnon duviri good weapons

oh.

[proper barn]

yep

[swift steppe]

thats kinda funny actually lol

[proper barn]

he sends you a message that is "i have been looking at your gear and how to improve it so much duviri took that idea and now those upgrades are there now"

it's so funny.

[stiff fable]

lol Yonta creates skittergirl, Cavalero makes peak

[proper barn]

heheheheheh

[stiff fable]

Hombask makes the voidshells

What does Quinn mak--oh the portal to the elevator

[upbeat glacier]

My wrath against the corpus has been kindled

[swift steppe]

wdym

[swift steppe]

LMAO no way

[proper barn]

Skittergirl is a younger teenage emotions

[stiff fable]

Skittergirl in Zariman Void Flood is a memory of Yonta when she was a kid, come to life

[proper barn]

of yonta.

[swift steppe]

i need a visual cuz i cannot put my mind on it and im not in game

[stiff fable]

The spooky ghost that laughs like a maniac and steals all your vitoplast if she touches you

[swift steppe]

what??? ive literally never seen that

just the little kids that show you wheres the thing you need to rank up with quinn

idk how its called in english

[stiff fable]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5B-roJvDTA

The ghost kids don't have a name, but the drops are voidplumes

[swift steppe]

OH thats this thing ok ive seen that ONE TIME ever

[upbeat glacier]

Change my mind

Ordis deserves a hug and told he's our best friend

[swift steppe]

and forgot about it

[proper barn]

hey Captian

do you have the calvero email?

[proper barn]

Ordis is great.

"Ordis: "Mister Granum, do you see how my Operator— MURDERS— dispatches your private army? Looks expensive. Has your desire outmatched your will?"
Parvos Granum: "I will not forget this… cephalon"

this is my favorite one from the Event.

[stiff fable]

I only delete emails that have stream rewards

[proper barn]

okay so you do

[stiff fable]

But in general the emails are on the wiki

[proper barn]

i can't find it on the wiki

i'll look myself

one sec

[proper barn]

I FOUND IT

[swift steppe]

LMAOOO why did they need to say he need the weapon and incarnon

thats very funny

[proper barn]

cuz warframe stuff.

[swift steppe]

xDDD

[proper barn]

So players know they need the gun for the incarnon weapon.

[swift steppe]

xD

[upbeat glacier]

https://youtu.be/wWAD5SvyM1o?si=W5wSZeweYryd36Kq

[weak frost]

quick question ik this shouldnt be in lore but
idk what rhino did to xaku to cut off his delux helm horns off as a trophy

[digital grail]

You miss pronouned xaku

Kinda

[weak frost]

thx

[digital grail]

But idk there horns are just similar

[weak frost]

they are 100% same

[digital grail]

They aren't

Oh damn they are close though

[weak frost]

i feel

i am looking at similar to those you see as a elk trophy

because of the curve of the sides / base looks like the frame

that they cut it in half 😂

[proper barn]

Xaku is they.

Temple is also gonna be.

[digital grail]

Wait really cool

[proper barn]

Yep.

Also not to diminish xaku but temple instead of being many frames together is just gonna be a straight up nonbinary frame.

[digital grail]

It's interesting they did have that very genderless vibe

[proper barn]

I mean they changed the prime like release to make it where they could do this.

Since DE changed it with xaku. God I Remember weridos trying to say xaku was gonna be on the male or female prime release rhythm but nah we just got a new one lmao.

[proper barn]

Non-binary doesn't mean genderless but anyway here is the tweet.

[digital grail]

I know it doesn't mean genderless I suck at remembering these things

[proper barn]

Fair. I never get mad at anyone for just forgetting or not knowing.

[digital grail]

They look very cool I will think of farming them

[proper barn]

Yee.

[digital grail]

I wonder how there farms gonna work

[proper barn]

Probably new gamemode

Or old game mode

But just new nodes in 1999.

Like disruption.

[digital grail]

I hope there farm doesn't suck

[weak frost]

raid game mode

[sweet wadi]

So one of Parvos’ lines in Jade shadows stands out to me; he says that Jade ‘Fulfilled her purpose by providing an heir’.

Parvos is a lot of awful things, but he’s not sexist. The dude specifically looks for adoptive ‘sisters’ to give the very best gear and authority.

So is he implying that the Orokin intended Jade to eventually have a child, as some sick experiment?

[lean garden]

Well we know the orokin didnt intend for that since ballas was actively mocking her about how she will never have her child born

[old dome]

^^

[sweet wadi]

Aah, fair

So what the hell is he talking about then?

[old dome]

the orokin didnt intend for her to get pregnant... altho parvos calling the babyframe "an heir" is interesting bc. 1) how did HE know abt it? 2) why would he care?

man's stuck in some weird limbo that his bodyguard frame made...

[sweet wadi]

I would assume he was watching when Stalker came up with it, since that was supposed to be how Xeto proved her worth as a sister.

The heir part is odd to me yeah. Parvos has shown little care for blood relatives or the idea of dynasty, even less for something as anti-meritocratic as sexism. Maybe he just can’t understand the idea of a mother letting herself die to save her child?

[old dome]

probably...

...do yall think the heirloom skins have any lore??

[silk atlas]

Like most skins, they have no lore besides anything you could say about most of them, just being some kinda different model

[digital grail]

Isn't the deluxe excal skin a stoner

Zato

Also the Gemini skins obviously have lore

[silk atlas]

They actually don't because it doesn't make sense for them to be pulled from their current place in time they're just cool as heck

[digital grail]

As in lore of the characters not how they're in our time

[silk atlas]

ah

[old dome]

wh??

[digital grail]

Idk

[woven coyote]

I think there's one or two kim chats that talk about pulling the hex to the "present"

[mental tartan]

I think it's referenced a time or two but never explicitly stated if we actually can bring them through or not.

[tall echo]

Not after the deadlock protocol quest

[stiff fable]

He's still locked up there

[normal mountain]

After talking with Eleanor about stories, I think I figured out the lore inspiration for Ivara
It's the old folk hero Young Loxley
She was a extremely good archer that wore a hood

Might be late to the party, but still
Connections like these are awesome

[north ferry]

Huh, neat

As far as know Parvos got out. Or at least now has the ability to do whatever he wants about it.

[stiff fable]

One of her helmets is called the Loxley helmet so yeah mite late :V

[stiff fable]

Parvos now has wifi, basically. He still can't leave but he can send instructions and welcome visitors.

[normal mountain]

Twas part of what tipped me off, actually

That, and the hood description

Went something like "oh, so that's where that helmet comes from. Wait a minute, a hooded archer... Ivara normal helm is a hood..."

[smoky solstice]

ok so I didn't realize we were already gettting new dialogues with the hex

honestly kinda borked it with lettie and the first time I felt like the game kinda led me down to it in a bad way

like she tells me about how Entrati tricked the hex into spreading the infestation and then one of the responses is "idk if I can tell you that you can be forgiven" and since the rest of the responses seem to be like basically "oh you were tricked (aka I'm gonna completely remove all agency you could've had)", which felt a lot more harsh, I picked the former

didn't know that the follow up to that would be like 1000x more harsh than the initial line, I was really expecting a "but" there

ig it was inevitable though, you can't make these things to line up 100% of the time with what the player is thinking

anyway though, one of the things she said made me a bit confused

this, is she implying that they were injected with the drug and then injected with the same drug? why did it have a different effect the second time?

like the way she's describing the sensation, it sounds like the time they got injected where they were essentially coerced into it by albrecht, but the way she's describing it sounds like they were doing it on their own volition and not because there was an army of scaldra who would kill them if they didn't

but also, holy crap, I didn't even know half of this lore

so first off, albrecht went back to 1998? that seems weird when everything tells us he specifically went back to 1999

honestly kinda makes it sound like wally interference but if it's wally interference, why the hell would it happen in 1998?

anyway, the biggest thing is HOLY CRAP, so the ICR specifically told them not to help Albrecht and they did anyway??? they specifically went rogue TO help Albrecht. I mean as harsh as my response was to Lettie, and probably not how I would've phrased it, YEAH Y'ALL SCREWED UP

like I'm not saying they're awful individuals but this puts a spin to things that I was not expecting to read, jesus

[woven coyote]

Not new just ones you didnt get yet

[smoky solstice]

then why are they showing up now?

did they update the system to give you all the alt dialogue after you complete everything instead of just leaving everyone offline without you having explored all the r5 convos?

if so, good stuff

[woven coyote]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1316121526038433882/1337259806263607378/image.png?ex=67a7747e&is=67a622fe&hm=7cdffb09f45567a37a058d47632945ba4321e3d314192c4c2ac57996ccfb7071&

Reading patch notes is a good habit

[smoky solstice]

nah because then you don't get pleasant surprises like opening up your PC to see new chats

anyway, back to the lore

am I the only one that this kinda shook in a bigger way?

because things are a lot more morally grey in regards to the hex taking this into account

honestly rusalka/wally weren't too far off in their description now in the quest

like a little massaged, yeah, but they did do the really bad thing that made everything worse, I initially thought the scaldra and ICR were in on it as well

but the ICR specifically said no

idk kind of a crazy thing

[stiff fable]

Honestly, a little bit yes. We knew that Albrecht traveled back to before 1999 because the Hex have been protoframes for longer than just the one year

[smoky solstice]

really? huh, I guess yeah, that's implied by us going back to january and everyone still being who they are

but idk, the things they did... at first it seemed a lot less bad I'll just say that much

[chrome rivet]

Do you guys think there were also non-piloted Warframes like Umbra that joined the Tenno Rebellion and massacred the Orokins?

[restive river]

Jade had a tenno but was in control of herself
Kullervo didn’t have a tenno but he’s trapped in Duviri
Iirc there’s some other examples too but none specifically relating to the night of the naga drums

Generation 1 warframes didn’t have tenno as they predated them and transference, Kullervo is one such
Problem was they eventually went feral

It seems high emotions cause them to retain sapience to some degree but most/all tenno piloted frames seem to have suppressed consciousnesses
Minus Jade
Stalker didn’t have a tenno at all it seems likely due to just how loyal he was

[proper barn]

Kullero was also a gen 1

that saw all the other gen 1s die around him.

[proper barn]

also Kullevro helped the Tenno do the night of the naga drums.

Like he even distracted the orokin during it so they would have their guard down.

[chrome rivet]

Was Dante also a gen 1?

[proper barn]

maybe?

i don't remember.

[chrome rivet]

Dagath?

[proper barn]

Dagath is odd

I think not

But when she had the hole put in her head she had a lot of emotions and everything happen to her so that might have made her sentient.

cuz umbra is like after normal tenno and warframes exist

so Umbra is like one the lastest frames made.

[restive river]

Yes, forgot to add that to him not having a tenno

[proper barn]

He was around during the night of Naga drums.

[restive river]

Yes, he was around when the Orokin were rounding frames
Iirc its what got Drusus glassed (he knew where Dante was)

"I remember when we learned of the warframe insurrections. Their madness, savage and sudden, justifying all the Orokin fear. All their heroic deeds were forgotten in an instant. Those like Dante, who had yet to succumb, became fugitives. To shelter them meant death – or glassing."

[chrome rivet]

I assume the way this was said was Orokin propaganda.

To make it look like the Tenno were backstabbing opportunistic jerks?

[sweet wadi]

So this is different from the tenno rebellion? There was a period where warframes existed without tenno to control them?

[restive river]

That’s a message from Loid about the Warframe insurrections that predate the tenno.

[chrome rivet]

Oh so it was just describing first gen Warframes that went crazy

[restive river]

Yup, generation 1 warframes predated the tenno snd transference but they went feral so the Orokin got rid of them

[restive river]

Yup!

Not all of them did apparently, like Dante

[chrome rivet]

Well can't blame the Orokin for being spooked

Since Dagath is always prowling around, cutting people's faces.off

Still, f them

[restive river]

If I had to guess Dante didn’t go feral due to him being among if not the smartest frame, perhaps due to his curiosity

[sweet wadi]

Who could have imagined that the people put through agonizing mutation would turn on them?

[restive river]

They weren’t even conscious they turned on them is the thing, it sounds like it was just due to the infestation causing their minds to go feral

[sweet wadi]

Btw love your pfp

[restive river]

It was only with the tenno that the warframes could escape losing their minds completely (though they were still suppressed largely iirc)

[restive river]

Thank you :D

[tall echo]

(At least according to ballas van biasedsource)

[sweet wadi]

“Trust me. I am super honest.”
-Literally the biggest scumbag in human history.

The cutscene I want is Erra trying to explain to his fellow Sentients why they are now working for the posterboy of Orokin douchebaggery.

I would even settle for how Ballas went from a chained pet to a partner.

[smoky solstice]

honestly that part of the new war always struck me as weird given the preludes

it seemed much more logical they'd just use Ballas as kind of a human puppet to appease the masses that their leader is not a sentient, but in reality they're actually in control

I mean I understand Erra's logic insofar as "this is better than what we had before since now we can thrive in the Origin System" but when Ballas goes haywire, what is there to keep Erra to keep working for him? either he super believes in it, in which case idk why he backstabs him, or he doesn't, in which case why tf did he bother for so long

[tall echo]

Ballas was always in charge

[smoky solstice]

wait I just realised

is the dialogue I flunked with lettie the one that locks you out of dating her?

oh then I definitely get that one person who was in here talking about how they were locked out because they picked the one choice that did it

[smoky solstice]

damn going back to the KIM dialogues

it's reminded me how good they are, like holy crap, the team in charge of this did such a great job

even if I don't particularly care to do them, I start, then I get engrossed

and I FEEL BAD when I make one of the hex feel bad, which makes no sense, because they aren't actual people, but the writing is so good, you kinda forget about that to some extent

it's crazy

[restive river]

The wonders a well written character will do to a person

[proper barn]

Yes Kullevro lived through the slaughter and lived to the night of Naga drums and even helped the tenno. He also says he saw the tenno come to the system. But idk if he means them beibg used for controlling warframes or the ship coming out of the Void.

[hexed oxide]

what's this on eleanor's ?

[tall echo]

Decoration

With orokin(?) text

[hexed oxide]

i know my screenshot is lowres, but anyone got a translation from a better pic ?

[brittle siren]

so the Scaldra "real" leader (not Viktor) is help cloning the band

[brittle siren]

or just pre orokin text. Earth language before orokin takeover is similar to the current Orokin one

yeah this confirmed the hex is at least Bisexual

[feral cape]

I think something else confirmed that

[lunar coral]

Whats the best lore video channel? Tryna catch up since I last played like... 3 years ago. Just finished all the main questlines but I'm a little lost

[proper barn]

Stallord?

[topaz dune]

Ok, so dumb question, but when did the operator split with the drifter? like, was it before or after they got void powers? or is the deal that the operator got void powers and the drifter was suddenly alone?

[brittle siren]

you should check this guy too, his presentation is pretty easy to understand

[proper barn]

OKAY

I'll explain. When the operator/drifter made the deal the timeline went two ways.

One where everyone gets saved. Drifter exists basically as a "oh you are what's left of the timeline where you don't get saved"

So they are left in the Zariman and through their pain and emotions duviri is made.

So basically when the Zariman Incedent happens and they make the deal eith wally.

@topaz dune any questions?

Also no there isn't a whole drifter timeline universe.

[topaz dune]

well honestly, i was just wondering at what point the void powers were given to the children. if it was at the same time as the parents going all Donner party on their kids, or was it the handshake the child made that split them into two.

[proper barn]

We haven't ever seen a timeline exist outside of our main one. The only time we have ever seen "things" from other like "timelines" is they walk out of the Void.

Like the Void spits out something from a unrealized outcome.

[proper barn]

Everyone mostly accepts the second thing but we aren't entirely sure.

[topaz dune]

yea im just trying to figure out "head cannon" since my drifter murdered their parents, was it void powered or did they like... tie an anvil to the ceiling and have an X on the floor

[proper barn]

Oh also the tablets in duviri says events can be changed but traces of the original persist. That might be all drifter is.

[proper barn]

Oh the drifter did do whatever choice you made when you remember what happened in war within. They talk about it in the kim messages. But like I said we aren't sure.

[stiff fable]

We got the powers and then hunted the adults according to War Within

[proper barn]

We don't know is the most honest answer I can give you.

[proper barn]

Does it say we got the powers?

I don't remember for sure.

[topaz dune]

im just thinking that the drifter says they murdered their parents, or let others do it or trapped them, but the scene of doing the handshake happens in the class room you were in right after the jump.

so my brain not feel good on the understanding parts

[proper barn]

We don't do the handshake till later

That's just us remembering what happened.

[stiff fable]

It does yeah

The kids were more or less totally defenseless until the handshake

[topaz dune]

ok, so is the handshake you getting the powers or is it not?

[stiff fable]

It is yes

[proper barn]

Yes.

[topaz dune]

ok, so anvil tied to the ceiling is how we killed our parents got it

[proper barn]

Hmmmmmmm

[woven coyote]

Absolutely drifter did not kill their parents with void powers
Remember drifter only gets tenno powers when they meet with operator in the new war

Now how did operator react is as captain said loosely mentioned in the war within

[proper barn]

but the Drifter

[topaz dune]

well i mean, wouldnt being able to do time looping and what not be "tenno" powers? since its powered by the void? I get that the void reacts to emotions and what not, but isnt that what tenno powers are? just them bringing a finger tip of the void with them?

[proper barn]

talks about the same choices you made in warwithin

idk man.

[topaz dune]

Maybe im just dumb or something. I get that the split happened at the handshake, but like, what happened BEFORE the handshake. when did the drifter/operator have the time to kill their parents without void powers

[stiff fable]

Basically the split is how Wally reacted to the shake. Operator gets powers and the Zariman returns to the Origin System where the kids are evacuated.

Drifter does NOT get powers and instead the rest of the kids are saved. What we don't know is the details of how that worked.

[sly pagoda]

this has always made me think that in the Drifter timeline that everyone else on the Zariman died.

[north ferry]

I mean, could easily be a representation of all of them, either as inaccessible/metaphorically dead/memories to the Drifter, could also be children that died before hand.

[old dome]

ive seen chinese lucky charms like this one...

idk if its the same thing or not

[chrome rivet]

In lore, it's mentioned that the Unum can unleash some sort of EMP blast that can shut down all electronics and turns guns into useless pieces of metal

But I wonder, can it also affect Warframes?

I doubt she can specifically chose what to affect

So everything in the radius will be affected

[tall echo]

She probably can

Can't be much more difficult than freezing time for everything except the player

[brittle siren]

It's funny that she could actually stop the Sentient but let some Warframe out to fight for her (and even Gara her gf to do the heavy lifting)

[fossil pond]

Does gauss have a tail?

[raw stone]

Yes

[ruby gull]

i figured out how warframes expel waste products

pheromones

[candid elm]

Do...they even eat?

[graceful swan]

Yes

Helminth feeds them

(Who nurtures you in your times of rest? Who restores your battle-torn frame, day after day after day? Whose milk enriches your kindred flesh with endless strength and vigor? It can only be me.)

[ruby gull]

additonaly the rhino prime codex entry mentions it eating the, aftermath.. of killing some guards

"The beast squats down, shovelling a heap of gore into its mouth."

[graceful swan]

That's probably why frames afterwards weren't allowed to eat the way normal humans do

Ig we also got Grendel

[tall echo]

Well, she couldn't stop it for long

[unique sorrel]

Y’all think we could get a quest playing as ordan Karris some day? Idk the whole lore hence the question

[graceful swan]

Unless it’s set in past events we ain't getting Ordan

[unique sorrel]

De I’m on my knees pls

[graceful swan]

You got Ordis isn't that enough?

[unique sorrel]

No.

I need crude ordis

[tame radish]

About the strands of Khra and the quote "the reconstruction of the past is possible" is it possible to "save" Jade and the stalker from becoming Warframes so they can be together with the baby?

[lean garden]

I mean technically yes, but unlikely to occur

[tame radish]

We already """"""saved"""""" the hex, so there's a chance

[tall echo]

No because stalker is needed for his invasion mechanic

[tame radish]

Eternalism?
There can be two.

[tall echo]

Alternate universes are inaccessible

[tame radish]

I choked lmao

At least give me copium that jade, Soren and the baby can be back together

[tall echo]

Well jade dissolved so

[tame radish]

Or at least their souls floating in the void.

Give me copium

[tall echo]

In another reality they might be together as humans

[stiff fable]

Problems is that these are three different things

The Strands of Khra are alternate timelines that don't really exist and we can't touch.
Reconstruction of the past is Yonta either talking about rediscovering lost history, or healing/fixing beings (like the Holdfasts) that have lost parts of themselves
Time travel is a third, completely separate, thing

[tame radish]

Thanks 🙂

[north jolt]

Sometimes I wonder how "omnipotent" Wally truly is especially currently, since this would imply even he's subject to eternalism wouldn't it?

[stiff fable]

That's a good question and I genuinely don't know. There are ways to block him in the Void, and he can't freely cross over into physical reality.

Unlike us he does seem able to see into alternate realities, and he can cross the Strands of Khra and use them to try and infiltrate reality (and time which COME ON)

Getting into super speculation territory, possibly even territory that DE isn't messing with, I think the Void is a universe of potential energy.

Maybe even the null option where reality chooses not to exist? Who knows.

[north jolt]

1. With the point you made about the split between operator and drifter, even he seems subject to eternalism

2. He got his finger(s) cut off, implying that least during Albrecht's experiment he had some kind of physical form capable of being harmed (though to what extent I dont know)

3. Even within the void itself there are places he seemingly doesn't have free access to, like Duviri

4. If the Rusalka crash scene is anything to go by, even he seemingly is capable of being brought to a weakened state. Though tbh that's just purely a guess and even if the drifter did shoot them, I don't even know if it would of actually done anything long term

[restive river]

On that 4th one
It seems more like Wally was piloting Russalka and it was still her to some extent

[north jolt]

Yeah I already thought it was like a subtle possession/mind control whatever you want to call it thing anyways. Though I will go off on a semi-related tangent to get something off my chest cause TBH, I don't really get WHY the Drifter refused to just off her. Sure to an extent you could argue she wasn't ENTIRELY in control of her actions, but I kinda doubt Wally made her and Viktor create the Scaldra and put the city on lockdown in the first place :v like even without Wally's influence she doesn't seem like a very good person too me soooooo

[restive river]

I mean she was def a shell of what she was but it did seem to be her still in some way
If I had to guess it was more Wally than Russalka but she was still in there just enough to be confused on who the Drifter is
Cause
Wally should absolutely know who the Drifter is, they made a deal, they’ve met multiple times, so why say that? Because it was her, not him.

[restive river]

Scaldra def existed before he got there
Also we seem to call what Wally did to her something akin to transference, like piloting a Warframe
Though it sounds like in Wally’s case he was hollowing her out too

As for why we saved her?
Empathy?? She sucks but she’s being actively taken over and harmed by our greatest threat and our prior abuser
Also maybe to some degree just. Not wanting to do what an Orokin says???
Even though Albrecht asked for our trust????
Idk, I kinda wish any of the Hex asked us why we didn’t kill her when we had the chance
Its not like we didnt just kill a buncha troops that were probably far more innocent than Russalka was, Wally or no Wally

[north jolt]

Exactly, though I have a (probably vein) hope that at some point Rusalka might make a return, maybe as a antagonist like before? maybe even as a turned ally? or at least something in between, maybe in her fully conscious state not liking what Viktor is doing with the Scaldra and so decides to help us in outing him? but that part is purely conjecture

Maybe if DE wanted to play into the idea some people had about a "proto-Saryn" Rusalka decides to give herself the technocyte and fight fire with fire, but I'm not a writer so I only just throw that idea out there

Anyways tangent over :p

[restive river]

I’m glad we’re getting her hair if nothing else

[north jolt]

How her legacy will truly live on

[restive river]

Also I’m not so sure that’d work
She seemed special and her disappearing is probably a good thing

Though I do think we could see her again through Wally later down the line

[north jolt]

Special in being chosen as a "host" so to speak, by Wally?

[restive river]

I wonder if how she became the door for Wally was through the ARG actually since it seemed like she was the one doing all the ARG stuff

[restive river]

Yes
Idk if she was chosen though

My guess is because of what she went through during the ARG, if what we experienced is what she experienced, then that’s how she became the door for him

[north jolt]

To me it seems like she was already on her way to becoming a very important and prominent political and military figure within her own time and place. So if Wally wanted to subtly influence things in 1999, doing so through someone who's already on their way to siezing power makes sense (Also I didn't pay as much attention to the ARG as I probably should have :x so I don't know the exact details about what Rusalka apparently went through)

[graceful swan]

I wonder if Albrecht was actually in the ARG or if it was just Wally being a very convincing actor

[north jolt]

Someone did mention how him phrasing "the survival of your species ..." was kinda odd

[restive river]

That’s a good point too tbh
My case for Russalka being the door from the ARG is mainly she seems to be the one looking into everything during the ARG and perhaps the end with Wally is what made her into that door?

[north jolt]

I will definitely have to look more into it

[graceful swan]

Didn't the Orokin see themselves as another species?

[north jolt]

Tbh I can't recall any instance where they did, least in a literal sense

[restive river]

Please do cause I think it could hold some weight tbh

[stiff fable]

One thing about Rusalka too is that Albrecht wants the Drifter to execute her outside of battle instead of in battle.

If she'd been still fighting she probably gets domed

[north jolt]

Putting this aside for a moment cause Im not sure if they did or not, the weird phrasing mentioned holds two possible implications for me

1. Wally was impersonating Albrecht for whatever reason (also wouldn't be the first time the game seemingly hinted towards this)

2. The weirder interpretation IMO: Albrecht might of had the thought that "what if humanity failed to stop Wally?" and thus his message was phrased in such a way to address literally whoever, human or not, came across it since the only way they WOULD come across it, is if they were themselves also trying to stop Wally

[stiff fable]

The other thing is that Albrecht doesn't have a problem shooting people as, uh, everyone finds out at the reactor.

[north jolt]

Albrecht just really likes shooting people

[stiff fable]

And since 1999 was caught in a loop the Drifter probably knew that Albrecht had his pocket Lex

So something was Actually Up

[north jolt]

Fun fact: He actually tried to become a executioner first, but his preferred method of execution, point blank gun shots, was deemed too "unscenely" by the rest of the Orokin, so instead he became a scientist

[stiff fable]

lol real

[north jolt]

(this is a joke btw, just so nobody possibly gets confused)

Actually that just made me realize something. Despite the sadism and cruelty of the Orokin, all of their preferred methods of "execution", while definitely theatrical in a sense, don't actually leave behind much mess or suffering. Jade light you're just instantly vaporized, becoming a Cephalon theoretically sucks, but you're effectively a completely different person who probably doesn't even have any memories of your prior life anymore so its debatable how much "suffering" they actually experience

The only times I can recall the Orokin actually being straight up violent and barbaric is when child Parvos got his hand cut off for stealing, and what Ballas did to Umbra but in that case he wasn't trying to kill Umbra, but keep him alive to make him suffer as much as humanly possible

Otherwise it seems like all of their preferred methods have something vaguely in common: Erasing everything you're currently are. Either in a literal sense or a metaphorical sense

Oh and theatrics

[graceful swan]

Did Albrecht forget 1999 is a loop?

[stiff fable]

not as far as I'm aware

[humble jewel]

So why does thermia gush out of the ground everywhere on venus? I thought the towers were changing more the atmosphere, not so much coursing through the soil

[graceful swan]

Why shoot us then

[stiff fable]

Force the Drifter to reset the loop

[stiff fable]

The thermia is how the towers do that, presumably

The issue is that the Corpus are deliberately slowing down Venus's re-terraformation

[graceful swan]

If he gets to shoot me can I follow him to Tau and shoot him?

[stiff fable]

I think it's only fair

[graceful swan]

Equal rights equal fights

[humble jewel]

Oh I see, so thermia isn't actually just a man made substance but a resource that fuels the towers

[graceful swan]

Amir should've used better mods

[humble jewel]

Also lol yeah let's shoot alby

[north jolt]

We can only hope so

[north jolt]

Albrecht going back in time to create a crack team of warframe users to fight a eldritch threat

Didn't even bring any primed mods or weapons with him

Im starting to think Albrecht isn't very good at planning stuff

[halcyon cypress]

what would be a lorewise way to farm bosses? lmao.
do we also go back in time and kill them over and over and return to our own loop with the parts to build the warframe?
Not even for warframe parts, i mean we do get steel path which is redoing every mission.
is there anything outside of it just being a game mechanic to it?

[silk atlas]

No

[halcyon cypress]

: ((

shame

[north jolt]

Lore wise I think bosses (least the ones that dont come back later on) are a one and done deal

Presumably we just get all of the parts they were holding onto at once, lore wise

[halcyon cypress]

probably

Vor needs to die tho

if he comes back a 4th time ill freak

[crisp marsh]

Since this is lore discussion channel, can we also discuss the fan mde lore?

[tall echo]

That's called headcanons

[tall echo]

Lore-wise bosses don't die unless shown otherwise

[halcyon cypress]

doesnt lotus say VIP down tho

wouldnt that mean they die

[crisp marsh]

So we can't discuss headcanons here?

[tall echo]

No

[sly ibex]

If he did that, though, there wouldn't have been any need for us to go to 1999 lol

[tall echo]

Mod answer nvm

Oh no mod answer

[crisp marsh]

Aight, I'mma post it on Warframe fourms.

[tall echo]

In the mission, which is gameplay, and not necessarily canon lore

[north jolt]

"Tenno trust me, I have a plan"

*runs away to Tau

https://tenor.com/view/run-jojo-runjojo-gif-18202771

[tall echo]

Example: ceres

[halcyon cypress]

what does ceres have to do with that

[tall echo]

Vor is confirmed dead after the tutorial quests, so how can he show up there?

[halcyon cypress]

oh that

[tall echo]

It's just a placeholder boss that'll never get replaced

[sly ibex]

Infested bosses probably do actually die, and then just get copied.

[tall echo]

The one potential exception, yes

[halcyon cypress]

placeholder like sergeant?

[sly ibex]

I hope we get actual confirmation on if Alad is alive or dead at some point. Frohd, too.

[tall echo]

Sergeant has a canon explanation iirc which means each assassination is canon

[sly ibex]

I think it has been suggested that Kril is dead, based on the Kuva tileset.

[tall echo]

Another corpus just gets promoted to sergeant instantly

[halcyon cypress]

i meant how the sergeant was supposed to be a placeholder for another boss but he just... stayed .

[tall echo]

Sergeant used to be nef anyo

[sly ibex]

As Steve said, he got promoted out of the military lol

[tall echo]

Then he stopped being nef anyo

[halcyon cypress]

thats what i meant yeah lmao

||i tried to make a joke im sorry||

[sly ibex]

You're fine, no need to apologize. 😄

[tall echo]

Trying to make a joke at the autistic cephalon is a common mistake

Almost guaranteed to end in failure

[stray herald]

What is the story for why suda became a cephalon?

[graceful swan]

Losing memory so became Cephalon

[stray herald]

Alzheimer’s

[woven coyote]

There is a veeeery short comic in warframes main site

[proper barn]

I think this was always in the game.

cuz they refrence old stuff you say later.

[tall echo]

Yea

[winter geode]

im sure im late to the party but i had a slightly disturbing thought prompted from the lettie conversation about her rats reviving every new year, the scaldra we kill for the most part are just people and theyre also just reviving every new year for us to kill for rewards over and over and over

[stiff fable]

Yes

Unlike the other factions Scaldra doesn't have infinite clones

[winter geode]

even the corpus doesnt feel so terrible because theyre largely made up of robots and willingly follow someone whos comically evil but the scaldra feel like regular people in a way that none of the other factions do via the hex stories

like eleanors story about the girl who was slowly dying and she wanted to comfort her but there was nothing eleanor could do

[stiff fable]

willingly
So uh. Don't ask what happens to the colonists when the Corpus roll into to the free colonies...

[winter geode]

the colonists arent the ones fighting ancient war machines

[stiff fable]

They are. Corpus roll into a colony, take over, and force everyone into debt slavery.

The ones who default are welcomed to the ranks of Parvos's chosen, and the combination of brainwashing, drugs and lobotomization it takes to make the average Corpus grunt.

[humble sierra]

Yeah but most of them end up workers, not soldiers

[north ferry]

Also, while I can imagine Scaldra are conscripts, they're also well... a dictatorial regime making use of a crisis to suppress the population, exploit the disease and well, probably murder a lot of civilians.

[stiff fable]

What's the difference?

The Corpus techs are "workers".

And yeah the Scaldra folks are basically neo-Nazis

They're all in on the jackboots

They have to know that they're gassing neighborhoods where the survivors aren't infected

[north ferry]

Lettie also has a conversation about how she was patching someone up and they spat at her because she was 'not pure' i cant remember the exact. Note this isn't even a soldier, just a citizen, I imagine the soldiers could be worse.

[winter geode]

my impression was that the scaldra are for the most part being misled via a propoganda machine whereas the corpus know exactly what theyre doing and doing it anyway for personal gain i could be wrong though

[north ferry]

I imagine it's more the other way around and more complex. Both groups have a degree of understandably. Presumably Scaldra is made up of people who turned to it in a time of difficulty, persumed difficulty and crisis. While Corpus I imagine have no way out the life and indeed have been bombarded with the idealogy from their birth.

[stiff fable]

Corpus also use clones and breeding programs to get the kind of people they need in the lower ranks

[winter geode]

the corpus also arent being infinitely killed in a time loop tbf

[stiff fable]

My point is more that every faction is terrible in similar but different ways!

[winter geode]

yeah thats fair

the complete disregard for individual human life irks me a little though, even if theyre "evil"

[woven coyote]

Hey sometimes that personal gain is enough money so your children dont end up in a debt internment colony like fortuna

All "human" enemy factions have been shown to have both sides of people who do it because they want/enjoy and people who dont want to do it or even want to run away but are forced to do it

Remember all the pacifist grineer we try to help flee in defection missions?

[upbeat glacier]

If a tenno had a child, would the child possess void powers or no

[hexed oxide]

can they have children ?

i saw people arguing that void exposure is similar to radiation exposure

[glacial bough]

There's no answer and there is unlikely to ever be an answer

[hexed oxide]

at this point let's say yes, a warframe managed to have a kid and conceptual embodiment is a thing

[restive river]

Jade had the baby in her before being helminthed

[restive river]

Unknown but perhaps since it seems the Operator shared their piece of Wally with the Drifter

The Tenno are still largely human but it is unknown what their bodies are capable of and still need
They can still eat, it seems they can experience hunger, but its unknown if they have to eat to survive for example

[proper barn]

She had a kid before then like ducky said. it was actually part of the punishment that she would be stuck with it.

[restive river]

Also while conceptual embodiment does exist good luck actually controlling it :p

Like it seems the most “control” Drifter properly had was when they accidentally remade their bedroom in Duviri (iirc it happened a couple times) and to some extent when their emotions took charge over Thrax’s in the Duviri quest

It may also be a form of conceptual embodiment for what they did at the end of the Hex quest but in all these situations it isn’t really controllable, it’s high emotions or being pushed to the brink and that interacts with the void

[feral bolt]

Do the Grineer have genitals? There's no point of having genitals since they are basically a bunch of tube clones but at the same time male and female Grineer exists.

What are you even talking about

[graceful swan]

They are clones of humans so things humans have they should also have

[woven coyote]

Unless the clone rot yknow rots it away

[feral bolt]

So are they basically just sterile /feel no attraction? Ik this seems like a troll question but just wondering what can happen since there are some unique Grineer out there

[graceful swan]

They can probably feel attraction but they are sterile

[hollow siren]

Hard to say. Clone rot might take most Grineer's genitalia for all we know. The neurological brainwashing probably hinders attraction

[somber lantern]

Which warframe would be canonically the strongest?

[graceful swan]

The one you’re using

[somber lantern]

Boo

[tall echo]

Begone, powerscaler!

All frames are strongest

[somber lantern]

Damn nvm i guess

[tall echo]

Closest to a real answer you'll get is that lotus calls chroma "one of the strongest"

[tropic crater]

Lore wise, how does a warframe become "Prime"

[graceful swan]

"Some Warframes were Prime from the start. Others earned it. Ballas never told the whole truth."

[stiff fable]

Isn't it the other way around? Duviri is the Drifter's Zariman, it's the rest of the place that transformed. Drifter just forgets the way back to the Dormizone periodically.

[north jolt]

Basically just a fancier model

[drifting mirage]

excepting our buddy Lavo, presumably they go back to the drawing table.

[restive river]

Drifter: On Duviri, I kept accidentally summoning my childhood bedroom because I wanted somewhere to hide. (ArthurRank3Convo6

[graceful swan]

So much CE

[restive river]

Yeah

Duviri is a big bundle of CE

[proper barn]

Nidus was just left on a planet for a 100 years or something.

Like so shRug WHO KNOWS

[quick wadi]

I feel like the whole prime thing is one of those things that has some explanation but you shouldn't scrutinize too much

Its always gonna be a little weird

[sly pagoda]

what does CE mean in this context?

[tall echo]

Conceptual embodiment

[feral cape]

There is no canon answer

Alot of people i see seem to think umbra is the strongest for some reason

[sly pagoda]

I mean while no canon answer odds are physically would be Atlas and Rhino. But given warframes and Orokin tech in general calmly throw physics to the wind it is tough to say.

[humble sierra]

Cigital Extremes

[tall echo]

Physically strong is a forgettable factor in wf powerscaling

[old dome]

actually... this is a much fairer powerscaling:
the beefier version of one punch man vs the hulk-esque character: who's physically stronger?

a big boy w a calm mind or a big boy full of rage?

[tall echo]

One can stomp hard enough to stop time and become invincible, the other can't even punch an asteroid apart with brute force

[brittle siren]

huh

So nidus kinda like, an exception, like Caliban

[tall echo]

Note: it's the drifter talking, so it's not necessarily fact

[brittle siren]

it still from their own knowledge, after all they did go inside Nidus mind

also does this dialogue appear when you have Nidus or it appear either way?

[restive river]

I mean
Nidus is the infested theme warframe

Like if anything he’s just a warframe that wasn’t built with any specifics in mind :p

Less tamed but more than the average strain

[crystal tide]

Nidus is like trying to tame a garden made of mint

[glacial bough]

I don't know how much you can say either is an exception

[restive river]

I mean
Dude makes his own ecosystem

[tall echo]

Nidus' infestation is less controlled, but still not nearly as aggressive as untamed infestation

[lament stirrup]

An exception to what?

[restive river]

Caliban isn’t an exception of anything
He’s just half sentient
Dude is more cyborg than the rest of the cyborg ninjas

[lament stirrup]

Incidentally, its incredibly funny that Calibans biollogical components come entirely from fish.

[tall echo]

Fishframe

[restive river]

Something is fishy about him

[lament stirrup]

It might be a reference to Caliban from the Tempest living on an island.
Or DE desperatly wanted to make the plains of Eidolon relevant again* without desigining more Amp/Zaw parts.

[restive river]

Maybe a bit of both

[tall echo]

Ah yes, because rev, gara, and eidolons don't make the plains relevant

[brittle siren]

I mean they both a little bit more special than other frame

in term of how they were created

[tall echo]

Eidolons are still relevant

[lament stirrup]

Ballas designed all the qarframes to be "unique"
But yeah, lore wise Nidus, Caliba, Xaku, Qorvex, and arguably Protea have unique origins.