lore-discussion

[stiff fable]

See I didn't tell you to do it

Like telling people not to think about a pink elephant

[peak ether]

Goonframe

[humble sierra]

That's Bunny Prime

[lament stirrup]

Ember Heirloom has a name, you know.

[feral cape]

Good bosses

[brittle siren]

I mean pink elephant with a good design is cute

unless you mean irl one and slap pink paint on it

[humble sierra]

This is base Bunny

[brittle siren]

still ew

[feral cape]

I found it really funny when tfd came out and people were calling bunny a volt clone

[peak ether]

Never played First Descendant but I don’t think Ember Heirloom would even come close to any character from that game

[feral cape]

Def not

[lament stirrup]

You're right. Ember Heirloom has style.

[peak ether]

Are they all women in TFD?

[brittle siren]

speedster clone to be exact

[feral cape]

Lighting speedster which is a really popular concept

[brittle siren]

there are male too, but who we are kidding, ppl love woman more, so ofc male is less than female

Warframe maybe the only game has diversity than any other game I have played

[feral cape]

Its about 50/50

[lament stirrup]

The difference between warframe and lesser games is that the devs objectify both men and women.

[feral cape]

Its exactly 50/50 9 males 9 females

[brittle siren]

i mean is male has a lot of skins too?

[humble sierra]

And I'm pretty sure you have to pay extra for the Bunny Prime

[feral cape]

Idk

[humble sierra]

I think you can put male characters in French maid outfits

But you can do that for the women too and it's much skimpier on them

[feral cape]

You get everything the same way as wf which is a relic system

[lament stirrup]

Wait hold on I take back everything bad I've ever said about first descendant. /j

[feral cape]

Almost everything

[humble sierra]

Nevermind you can't

[lament stirrup]

WHY MUST YOU ALWAYS DECIEVE ME SO?

[humble sierra]

Anyone know if you can replay quests like The Second Dream without having Lotus be a hologram?

[feral cape]

I definitely think mmos need to learn from eachother each game does something better than the other except like Diablo 4 which shot itself in the foot in the first season

[feral cape]

I think with spoiler mode maybe

[proper barn]

Also DE has lgtb characters. i don't think first desendent does.

[stiff fable]

Correct

[restive river]

I love Warframe’s diversity

Kinda hoping Temple will have a proto just for the nb rep

[proper barn]

like DE does like "fan service" for everyone. first desendent is squarely in

"these are for straight dudes"

[restive river]

and lesbians
but
ngl from the designs that were posted I did not like those

[proper barn]

yeah Ducky i am assuming most women have better tastes.

[restive river]

I remember seeing a character with. Idk glass breasts from FD and it just. Looked bad
Like its trying too hard ig

[humble sierra]

Almost definitely confirmed

[stiff fable]

That's a good summary

[humble sierra]

During the Devstream they pointed out how there was some voice acting

"Oh, why would we need voice acting?"
"Hmmmm good question teehee"

And then immediately announced there would be 4 ProtoFrames with the update

[proper barn]

I like that the person that made it just said like "oh yeah They are nonbinary cuz they are glamrock" which is CORRECT.

David Bowie is great.

[feral cape]

Of all the lesbians I know they also find skimpy women hot

[stiff fable]

https://tenor.com/view/fellowship-fellowship-band-fellowship-metal-fellowship-uk-guitar-solo-gif-25805869

Found Temple irl

[proper barn]

you can do that the first descended just feels so like plastic.

[restive river]

Eehhh, until next devstream nothing is confirmed

[proper barn]

like a doll.

[stiff fable]

Also if Temple doesn't have an axe as their signature weapon we riot

[restive river]

There’s a difference between tasteless skimpy and tasteful skimpy

FD is kinda tasteless ngl

[feral cape]

And the lesbians i know find the women in fd hot

[restive river]

I’ve only seen like
3 designs so I’d have to see more

[feral cape]

There all skimpy

As it goes sex sells

[restive river]

I might also be an exception since I’m pretty sure I’m demi

[restive river]

Like I said
There’s a difference

[proper barn]

but like can they be intresting though?

[stiff fable]

The guys in FD are all fine

But the girls are a mixed bag leaning towards bad

[restive river]

Oof

[proper barn]

Also i feel like they aren't semmetrical with their sex sells in FD. also Nidus was the best selling Prime access when that happened.

so WHO KNOWS what sells.

[lament stirrup]

The servers filters are too strict for me to properly articulate what I consider good fanservice.

[stiff fable]

Gacha. Gacha sells.

[restive river]

Nidus Prime is objectively awesome

Me and my partner are awaiting the day his accessories come to resurgence

Please be this year DE 😭

[feral cape]

I've never found male fan service i find attractive

[proper barn]

I will probably talk to you more about it. But like it's just do more then just the lowest common denominator. also having it be in character also good. Like Wisp has always been a ghost with the most but she also just has a great design anyway. Like it can add to a design not take away.

[feral cape]

Fictional men that is

[proper barn]

never seen dungeon meshi i see.

[feral cape]

There's real men i find hot

Like Andrew Garfield

[feral cape]

I've been meaning to get around to delicious in dungeon however I've been busy with sakamoto code geass and castlevania

Code geass might be the greatest peice of fiction I've ever watched

[proper barn]

castlevania is great.

[feral cape]

Its great but probably the worst vampire anime I've watched

[stiff fable]

As for me there's an easy distinction. Xenoblade 2 has a ton of awful outfits, including the main female character Pyra. The second female lead Mythra has a better look, but still has unnecessary openings in her shirt and outfit

Then the DLC added an alternate outfit that gives her stockings and closes the holes in the outfit and it's infinitely improved

[restive river]

You talking about senshi ||or elf senshi||

[feral cape]

The only exception is grimjow jagerjaques

[proper barn]

smile

[stiff fable]

Despite less coverage it's still an attractive and flattering outfit

[proper barn]

@stiff fable @restive river I was actually talking to some clan friends and i realized warframe has like writers from saucy books and has a main artist that does saucy art and even got a job cuz they drew saucy warframe art.

[lean garden]

now be like deepseek and show me the thought process

[proper barn]

that's why we have like "good fan serice" cuz like all of it is made into characters and doesn't take away. it's prebuilt in we don't need a skin that is added later to make a character attractive. it's usually already built in.

[lean garden]

I wanna know how did you come across such... wonderful? information

[proper barn]

Oh cuz that's what Liger did.

or even does.

[lean garden]

yknow, what, yea I can see that

[proper barn]

And the Writer for most of the Kim dialog like writes romance books.

"dark romance book series" specificly.

[proper barn]

it's tasteful and in character is what makes it better for warframe. also it's for any gender expression. FD does it only for 1.

lmao.

warframe stay winning.

[stiff fable]

She wrote for videogames too iirc, which is what actually got her the invite

[proper barn]

yee

probably.

[stiff fable]

Though either Rebb or Megan was a fan of the books

Honestly this isn't super weird, find any artist and you can almost always find they've done saucy stuff

[lament stirrup]

Blizzards lead art dev is openly into anthros and feet.

Dont ask how I know this

[stiff fable]

Like heck in Japan the doujin scene is mostly adult material and that's the way a huge chunk of artists get their first real jobs

Blizzard fails again

For the record anthro is fine, it's the foot stuff that's sending me

Can't watch Tarantino movies for the same reason

[lean garden]

or a bunch of old nickelodeon shows

curse you dan schnider

[stiff fable]

Yes actually

yeesh

[lament stirrup]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=v4qovPYX1S4&pp=ygUSd2FyZnJhbWUgYmVzdCBmZWV0

[north ferry]

I... uhhh

Lore I suppose

[stiff fable]

https://tenor.com/view/warframe-warframe-bnp-grineer-skoom-gif-17500803

[restive river]

YUP LMAO

the devs are as down bad as the community lmao

[restive river]

Average pupsker vid

[proper barn]

BUT IN A GOOD WAY

[restive river]

YES IN A GOOD WAY

[proper barn]

that doesn't take away from design.

[restive river]

in a tasteful and respectful way

[proper barn]

it's in the design and reference document so actually put into a character.

[restive river]

like Ember heirloom is hot cause Ember is the fire warframe?

[proper barn]

heheheheheheh

[north ferry]

Ember voted most likely to wear yoga pants.

Meanwhile Wisp

[proper barn]

I went on a whole thing in my clan chat. Summary even the like "hot" skins we got don't take away from the orignal designs just adding on to their existing ones. where as bunnies "prime" verison only takes away.

[restive river]

I can see Garuda wearing yoga pants too

[restive river]

Real!

Like I feel like most skins (uncustomized) are still recognizably their warframe
With some exceptions

[north ferry]

I can see Garuda just trying to wear everything and anything, including nothing.

[restive river]

Like the rhino bug skin comes to mind

[restive river]

I can see Garuda wearing yoga pants

I need to play Garuda more

[north ferry]

Tbf, you don't tend to see any more than a glimpse of most other people's frames in missions.

[restive river]

I need the next heirloom now

[restive river]

I mean yeah
With customizations frames can be less recognizable too as different colors, ephemeras, armors and syandanas can change the look of a frame, sometimes drastically

Helmets too to an extent but I feel like most if not all helmet absolutely fit their frames perfectly
It really feels like tennogen artists know their frame when they design them ngl

I’d have to look at more of them tho tbh

And ofc some of those belong to certain unofficial “sets”
Like Graxx, Blade of the Lotus and Kuvael

[woven swallow]

So what would you all say which has the more intense lore : warframe … or Warhammer 40k ????

[lean garden]

define intense

but also 40k has the advantage of having like

MORE lore

[woven swallow]

Maybe I should pick a better word…. How about epic

[lean garden]

40k

[woven swallow]

Must admit …. That hyper drive scene for new war was insane .

Made me start to pay more attention

[north ferry]

So, Warframe does so much better.

Just saying... XD

[woven swallow]

It’s very interesting must admit

[brittle siren]

let me guess, Wisp is lowest right?

[feral cape]

Are we talking about good writing or aura and hype moments

[woven swallow]

Uuuuummmmm….. all? I mean i chose 40k cause warframe lore is pretty impressive. And even more exciting when you think about where it will
Go

[restive river]

Warframe does a lot of things cause its cool
The rule of cool

[proper barn]

why must we make 2 Queens fight each other?

[restive river]

And they do their best to make it work
Which they do :D

[restive river]

especially when they can kiss instead?

[proper barn]

yeah

[restive river]

Yeah :D

[woven swallow]

Oh no they aren’t !! Trust me like I said I asked because frame lore is pretty impressive

[proper barn]

there's not a evil poly couple that kills their horse girl third by accident when they wanted to kill her horse

in 40k so it's worse.

[swift steppe]

who are you talking about

are you talking about dagath?? they didnt kill her by accident

iirc

[feral cape]

They wanted to kill the horse not the rider

so they could ride her

[proper barn]

they wanted to kill her horse not her.

[swift steppe]

i dont remember that lol

[feral cape]

Dammit I forgot how discord works

[proper barn]

the other way we don't know.

[swift steppe]

its *

[feral cape]

No that's for italics

I want it to be crossed out

[swift steppe]

ah well idk that sorry

[north ferry]

by accident. Also, thought this was presented as a abusive relationship so...

[swift steppe]

true

[feral cape]

I figured it out

[swift steppe]

noice

[north ferry]

tbf, Warframe kinda aligns relatively well with Warhammer 40k/

[proper barn]

Yes

I didn't say it wasn't.

[wintry siren]

So is the story of narmer and ||pazuul|| on hold right now?

[graceful swan]

Not their arc

[wintry siren]

Oh?

[restive river]

Yes
The focus is on the void arc atm which involved Albrecht and the Man in the Wall

It may relate to Pazuul and Narmer at some point but that has yet to be seen

[wintry siren]

I wanna fight pazuul and narmer but not only in archon hunts and veil breaker

[restive river]

Same, I’m hoping if/when they do more with Narmer they’ll give them actual nodes

Like make it so Narmer’s getting more organized again and we need to stop them
Like I doubt they’ll have the same presence as the Infested, Corpus or Grineer but give us some normal nodes and non-bounties

[silk atlas]

Simply put, we've got bigger issues right now

[restive river]

Oh absolutely

[humble sierra]

It's possible the next main step is going to Tau, there's a few things to suggest that this is the direction they're taking. In 1999, Entrati says "Tau is in sight", which could just be "Victory is near", but there's chats with some of the Hex members where Drifter seems to view that as a clue and implies they'll follow Entrati there if they must. Another thing is that Yonta has dialogues in the Zariman about finally figuring out how to take the ship to Tau, if she has to. As of now, though, Angels of the Zariman isn't a prerequisite for anything, nor is it listed as part of the story on the website (though it is considered a story quest in-game). Then, of course, all of the Pazuul/Narmer stuff is chock full of Tau mentions, and right now it's a significant storyline that's just on hold, with no meaningful conclusions— likely because they'll save it for a Tau arc (story wise, at least. No clue how they'd do it gameplay wise since they need Pazuul and the Archons active for Archon hunts).

[tall echo]

Yonta doesn't say she has it figured out for if she has to, just that she knows what was wrong. The zariman can't be moved anyways as it is currently acting as a very vital plug

[restive river]

"I'd figured it out! How the Zariman could jump all the way to Tau in one big bold leap, disabling the safeties in sequence. If I had it to do again, we could make it.”

[tall echo]

Huh

[restive river]

Yeah.

[tall echo]

My brain cell is fried

[restive river]

She literally knows how to get to Tau lmao

[tall echo]

Yes I wasn't arguing that part

[restive river]

But yes, the main problem is the Zariman is plugging the hole

I’m not even sure we’d need the Zariman specifically to go to Tau

[tall echo]

We wouldn't

[restive river]

We have access to a finger

[tall echo]

Any ship capable of void jumping works fine

[restive river]

In our railjack
But it’s unclear if that ship is made for that

[tall echo]

Or we could take the long way

[restive river]

I’m not entirely sure about that, yes in theory but eeehhhh the Zariman may have a bit more to it

[tall echo]

Seems unlikely

[restive river]

That’s 11.9 light years away and we can’t even travel at light speed

[restive river]

I think it def depends, cause she knows how to get to Tau with the Zariman
Not a railjack ship
Though I’m sure she could easily figure out a solution if we brought it up

[tall echo]

If anything a railjack should be more fit for it, war causes scientific progress and the rj uses the same thing as a power source

[restive river]

Eh, I can see us maybe getting an upgrade for the railjack

We dont know how they differ really
Like
The Zariman was made for a big jump like that and made to survive a big jump like that

The railjack does small local jumps, not ~11.9 lightyears distance jumps

I mean if it was that simple you’d think the Orokin would
Oh
Idk
Try it again with a smaller ship?
I think the Zariman was built for such a jump

I mean it was ofc actually made to do that jump for colonizing purposes but I’m hoping you know what I mean

Like a rocket ship is gonna have a smoother journey than a plane :p

[turbid vigil]

Zariman is an upscaled railjack

[turbid vigil]

They probably had a war to fight with those railjacks

[restive river]

They did
But we don’t know if any railjacks ever went to tau.

[restive river]

I’d argue that’s not exactly known
Like
Yeah it has a big finger but thats kinda it

[turbid vigil]

The zariman has the original finger iirc

And the rest are clones

[graceful swan]

Zarimans is a clone

[north ferry]

Now I think of it, for some dumb reason I thought the Zariman has multiple reliquaries.

[restive river]

That is not known.

We have no info on the original

All we know is the finger got cut and multiple were used

How there are multiple isn’t known
Where the “original” is is not known

[woven coyote]

yonta and cavalero talking about the originals being locked away makes me think the one in the zariman isnt original either

[restive river]

Give me the finger lore albrecht

Show me the originals
What counts as a non original

[stiff fable]

Anything that isn't the actual finger that the portal chopped off of Wally!

[restive river]

Then how did they get more fingies

[stiff fable]

Like I've mentioned before, genuine Catholic relics can self-replicate

It's treated as proof that something is even a genuine relic

I'd imagine they actually tried taking the finger apart to study it and found that they had more fingers

[restive river]

I can see that
I just want the game to talk about it

I want your theory to be true tbh

[north ferry]

I do feel like that is kinda the case.

[lean garden]

As the Empire burned, you found the one Executor you coveted and despised most. You presumed to raise your foul hand against him. One of the Seven. But he did not die so readily as you had hoped. Thus I lay upon your wretched head your ultimate crime: Attempted Regicide. And with it your punishment, the Executor's eternal vengeance.
This is not ballas

The "I" is the warden, which is the manifestation of Kullervo's guilt

Kullervo's seven crimes are things he feels guilty of

[brittle siren]

But, he "imagined" Ballas only, means that Ballas is hinting to be the one who actually doing the charges

And, if he just feel guilty, why Warden is a copy version of Ballas then, there is no reason for that, unless Ballas did sth to Kullervo when he still in the Origin system

[lean garden]

doesnt necessarily mean that at all

[lean garden]

because you will realise that there are only 7 executors in the empire

and that there is a good reason why the warden looks like one of them

hint: read the first crime

[brittle siren]

But where is the other 5 then? Why none of them are there (assuming that the Glassmaker is imprisoned already)

[graceful swan]

Most were killed

[brittle siren]

Like sure you could said Warden is manifested for all 7 Executors

But why not making him voiced mixed with many voices all together

We only heard Ballas voice

[graceful swan]

Because DE couldn’t afford all 7

[lean garden]

I beg you to read the rest of my sentences

[brittle siren]

And beside, Ballas did succeed the "Orokin Fall" plan, so all 7 crimes may be part of it

[brittle siren]

We literally have 2-3 of them voiced no?

[lean garden]

which is a side thing compared to your inaccurate claim that the 7 crimes are ballas's and not kullervo's

[brittle siren]

(Besides Ballas)

[lean garden]

Reminder: Kullervo is here because he thinks himself guility

[brittle siren]

Again it doesn't make sense that Kullervo, alone did all of this and managed to get away 6 times then somehow the 7th time he was put in jail (then lost to the void)

[lean garden]

"You cannot deny your sin, Kullervo. For I am your guilt, the form and voice of your greatest persecutor."
^ This is why the Warden looks like Ballas

[lean garden]

Because again these are things Kullervo feels guilty of

the reason why he's getting away is because

He was never actually caught and tried for all of the crimes

The Warden is the manifestation of his guilt

[brittle siren]

Ballas can make someone traumatized when even them didn't do it

[lean garden]

Ok, but at that point youre grasping at straws

You have to bend over backwards to even pin the crux of the Second Crime on Ballas

[brittle siren]

I mean sure some crime could actually by Kullervo

But it definitely not all of them

[lean garden]

So your claim that the seven crimes are all actually ballas's is already not true

[brittle siren]

And we know how deceiving Ballas is

[lean garden]

"definitely"

yeah nah

How can you in one sentence make it seem like Ballas is the one guilty of killing some orokin, and then in the next say he's deceptive? Would he not then get someone else to kill those orokin for him?

[brittle siren]

But why DE purposely make him look like Ballas, they could just make Warden into literally anyone else, but no, Ballas voice and appearance, even the attitude is the same

[lean garden]

You say that like its proof that Ballas commited the crimes instead, but it doesnt suggest that at all. Hell, the reason is right there in the crimes, Ballas was the executor coveted by Kullervo, and so Kullervo's guilt manifests in the shape of Ballas

[brittle siren]

But why just Ballas

[lean garden]

Because he's the one the Kullervo was coveting

[brittle siren]

Like why him specifically? It would make more sense if it was his mom or even himself

Void manifest strong emotion, if Ballas has no relation to Kullervo doing at all, then how he even created a Duviri version of Ballas?

Ballas is the master manipulator, he literally trick Natah so many time that she have split into 3 personality in her

[lean garden]

You, Kullervo, thought an Executor's favor was a thing to be stolen and worn. You spilled precious Orokin blood - before seeking the Executor out for approval. Hated Kullervo, did you truly believe he could love you? You are, forevermore, a low murderer."

As the Empire burned, you found the one Executor you coveted and despised most. You presumed to raise your foul hand against him. One of the Seven. But he did not die so readily as you had hoped. Thus I lay upon your wretched head your ultimate crime: Attempted Regicide. And with it your punishment, the Executor's eternal vengeance."

"You cannot deny your sin, Kullervo. For I am your guilt, the form and voice of your greatest persecutor."

[lean garden]

Because there is a

MASSIVE

Difference between having actually commited the crime, and being the object of desire

[brittle siren]

I admit, there is not many proof that Ballas did all or even any of those crime. But consider how many time he manipulated ppl and how many crimes that he actually did, yeah it really no suprise that Ballas is the real mastermind behind all Kullervo crimes. It could just he order Kullervo doing all of that and blame that he ALONE orchestrate

[brittle siren]

Also while you mention the last crime, do you feel weird that it is the last one? Because it could be interpreted Kullervo is trying to kill Ballas because he is the one making Kullervo doing the 6 other crimes

[graceful swan]

Is it really 7 crimes if you do one crime twice?

[brittle siren]

What crime is twice again

[graceful swan]

Treason I believe

[lean garden]

well he's not being charged with the same offence, so yea it counts

[brittle siren]

Also 7 crimes that Warden said is oddly specific, like if Kullervo is crazy he must also really smart to even comprehend all those words

Duviri is make sense because it is a literal book of stories come to life

Btw we need to remember that Ballas convinced other 6 Executors to create Sentients and kill Margulis (and multiple more)
So no suprise that he also doing the same in Kullervo case

Anyway that's enough grain of salt I can give, I need to sleep

[hoary vapor]

Someone mentioned that Hollvania's using On-lyne for propaganda/surveillance purposes and to keep citizens in the city. And according to them, it's either Arthur or Aoi or Eleanor that says it.

Does anyone have some sort of proof? I kept searching online but found nothing

[wintry siren]

No but that sounds plausible…sorta

[woven coyote]

Pretty sure most of what we know about that is on the pc in aoi's store

[hoary vapor]

That one, I know for sure. I just don't know about the propaganda part

[old dome]

bc hes the one who was behind the creations of warframes in the first place (unlawful, unethical, immoral human experimentations) + the one who messed up kullervo the most.

[silk atlas]

Not unlawful if you make the rules, but the other two are right

[old dome]

ok true

ACTUALLY THAT REMINDS ME,,, how true is the nursery rhyme that the kids sing about kullervo??

especially the "hes taken from his mother as a newborn child" thing...

[silk atlas]

All we got on Kullervo are those and what we get from the prison so

[woven coyote]

Only other place i could think of checking would be the kimulacrum to see if it was in a chat

[north jolt]

I interpreted that as Dax soldiers in general being raised as warriors from a young age, and Kullervo starting out as a Dax before becoming a warframe, if I remember right?

[untold spire]

Strongest warframe in the lore?

[graceful swan]

Whatever one you’re using

[untold spire]

Cool, i main Dante

[proven laurel]

i mean... id actually put an argument for lavos at this point. the mf primed HIMSELF out of spite

[graceful swan]

Where is this stated?

[proven laurel]

lavos is the alchemy one yea? I saw it mentioned in chat when they did the livestream for him. guess they said it in that livestream

[graceful swan]

DE didn’t say that is the case they said people were saying it

Nothing in the lore currently suggests he actually did or will

[proven laurel]

🤷‍♂️ im not surprised an x box player got touchy.

even if it was a joke, its a good one. wouldnt be surprised if de adopted it in truth

[graceful swan]

I’m not upset lol

[lean garden]

nah, its just an overly enthusiastic reading of his description

Some Warframes were Prime from the start. Others ascended. Lavos, the master of transmutation, bowed to no one as he forged his own path to valor.

people are reading the latter sentence as a outright statement that he primed himself

although it could very well mean his errant performance made him desirable to be primed

because he didnt earn merit by doing the orokin bidding, but rather by curb stomping they ahh

[graceful swan]

I’d say the warden duty probably earned him Prime status

[feral cape]

The only frame were given a power rating on is chroma which is one of the strongest

[north jolt]

Limbo? Protea? Saryn? there's several valid answers to this tbh

Nova?

[untold spire]

Rhino is very Strong too

[feral cape]

We literally don't know any comparative power rankings if I had to hazard a guess limbo would win a ffa with all the frames

[north ferry]

Just look at conclave rankings obv XD

[sweet wadi]

Didn’t Grendel like… eat a fortress or something?

[woven coyote]

Unless they distract him with a laser pointer so he messes up his math
Then he's completely out of the game

[sweet wadi]

Also Inaros turned an entire army to dust iirc

Protea’s time rewind seems pretty absolute too

[onyx compass]

Do we know when Kullervo got turned into a warframe? Like was it when he was running away or before or after? Hell, could it be possible that he turned himself into a warframe? That he felt so guilty over his crimes in the void that he morphed himself into a warframe? Does conceptual embodiment work like that? Actually were the warframes a secret thing or was it known to the average member in orokin society?

[feral cape]

No

[feral cape]

He covered mars in a sand storm and that killed him

[sweet wadi]

Ah

[tall echo]

He's a gen 1 frame, part of the first wave made

[olive comet]

It's pretty crazy that the infestation has turned into these insane beasts, what was just some infection made vome, these giant laser worms. It's just insane how this common cold evolved into these insane creatures

[proper barn]

gen 1. he even says in his crimes all the other gen 1s where killed around him and he saw the "tenno coming into the system"

now this can either mean the zariman came out of the void in the middle of the old war or Kullevro saw when they where used by the orokin on the gen 2 warframe.

[tall echo]

It never was "just some infection"

[proper barn]

and turned into helminth.

[olive comet]

How'd it start off?

[olive comet]

Sir munchkins?

[tall echo]

You played 1999?

[olive comet]

I did but I thought that was a small version of it brought into the past?

[proper barn]

yes

[tall echo]

Techrot is very early infestation

[olive comet]

I assumed it wasn't it's first form though, and that it evolved slowly

[tall echo]

No

[olive comet]

Like the little infested blips you get on new warframe aren't crazy, they're just small pores

[proper barn]

warframes are fully infestation.

do you remember umbra?

[tall echo]

Helminth is a very heavily domesticated strain, it won't do much by itself

[glacial bough]

He didn't even cover Mars, all we know is he beat an army of infested attacking the Sand people

[olive comet]

That's really interesting actually the way we borrow the helminth to build frames

[olive comet]

I think still, going from what would be just some robot zombie virus...to literal star destroyers with lasers half the radius of a planet!

[tall echo]

We don't really borrow it. It's just... there. In our orbiter.

[tall echo]

The grey strain is a rare strain with a tendency to make stuff gigantic tbf

But the regular infestation can do some crazy stuff too, like hollowing out eris and turning it into an infested hellscape inside

[olive comet]

But it seems very friendly, where else would we get the infestation to build our warfeames in the foundry?

[olive comet]

Exactly man that's an insane jump

[tall echo]

Well. Yes. It's domesticated.

[olive comet]

Even then, I think human evolution is crazy with how we evolved to have eyeballs, somehow going from a zombie virus to invent fully functioning lasers?? Insane

[olive comet]

So yeah we do take from it to build? Or does it just not even know

[tall echo]

It does it itself

[olive comet]

Also question, does the infesfation convince people like alad it's peaceful so it can eat, or does it actually believe its making the "glorious evolution"?

[tall echo]

Sometimes it tries desception, usually it does not

[olive comet]

Could you elaborate?

[tall echo]

What is there to elaborate on

[olive comet]

Does it believe it's making peace or does it just want to eat?

[tall echo]

The infestation prefers the violent approach

It exists to assimilate

[olive comet]

Even in its later stages? It feels like it has some hive mind message to send, something like Viktors cult from arcane, it talks to the frame through Alad V like it's trying to save the universe

[tall echo]

Deception

[feral cape]

Wasnt it said he eradicated the infested on mars

[glacial bough]

No, the quest only ever mentions him protecting the Sand People in explicit terms

[north jolt]

Limbo is banned

Clearly the winner

[north ferry]

Limbo so OP, beats himself.

[restive river]

Except that one time where it mimicked a child

[plush phoenix]

I think we have a lot of examples where this isn't the case

not just arlo but also like the random non hostile animals on deimos & jordas golem's manipulation of the PC

[glacial bough]

Deimos animals aren't a part of the hivemind iirc

[tall echo]

"Prefers" does not mean "exclusively does this"

[north ferry]

I mean there's the question on how this even is possible.

[north jolt]

Guys hear me out

What if being in the infested hive mind isn't so bad?

[tall echo]

No.

[north ferry]

No

[restive river]

Okay
Get in the helminth chair :)

Time to make a new frame

[normal mountain]

...Eris is hollow?
Dang, wish we had some mission nodes down in there
That would be cool

[stray bolt]

The bandcamp uploads of the WitW ost have translated lyrics

[tall echo]

You are late

[stray bolt]

: (

[normal mountain]

https://tenor.com/view/warframe-whispers-in-the-wall-tenno-entrati-1999-gif-16943765476869672917

[twilit sonnet]

||Who's the tenno from the opening cutscene, the one when you launch the game the first time? I assumed they were the one controlling my frame/the person you play as when I first played but that's obviously not true because of the Second Dream||

[tall echo]

Representation of the player tenno

[normal mountain]

But seriously, that is such a missed opportunity that we don't have any missions on Eris, just on the ships orbiting it
It'd be... a lot like Deimos, actually
Maybe that's why we don't set foot on Eris

[tall echo]

It'd be difficult to get inside eris for missions

[normal mountain]

Really?
How so?

[tall echo]

Well for one there's probably good reason for why we never start or end missions in a cave environment. And the infestation just wouldn't let a threat intrude

[normal mountain]

True
I imagine it'd be somewhat like getting into the Kuva Fortress for the first time

[north ferry]

Also because why go there, we're not capable of exterminating a faction.

[normal mountain]

Though for Eris we probably wouldn't have a kind Grineer transport to hide behind and fool the scanners

[north ferry]

Containing the infestation would be the priority.

[tall echo]

Nuke eris

[normal mountain]

I just want to see what it looks like
I don't particularly have a reason for going

Hollowed out planet sounds cool

[tall echo]

Imagine deimos caves but more colorless

[normal mountain]

...

...alright, fair
That doesn't sound as interesting now

[tall echo]

I mean there'd be some weird stuff probably, eris did create arlo, but it'd mainly be infested yuck caves

[north ferry]

Everyone hates Deimos

[normal mountain]

Still want to at least go down there at some point
Nora said at the end of the Emissary part there was a giant boil forming
I wanna know what's up with that

[tall echo]

I like deimos

[normal mountain]

Not true
I love Deimos

[north ferry]

And God damn the techrot map segments are annoying af

[normal mountain]

...wish I could argue against that

They're cool looking, but a pain to navigate

[tall echo]

Getting lost is a core aspect of 1999 gameplay

[normal mountain]

I'm convinced getting lost is a core aspect of Warframe gameplay, but hey

I often stink at directions

[north ferry]

The city scape is very cool

[normal mountain]

I don't think there's an environment I haven't gotten lost in

[north ferry]

Although now I'm thinking about it, how big is Hollevania

[normal mountain]

Well, maybe not Railjack
Haven't gotten lost up there yet

[tall echo]

I have the habit of spam switching between overlay map and minimap tbh

Hard to get lost with that

[normal mountain]

You would be surprised at how easily I can get lost
I swear sometimes I'm cursed

[visual ermine]

Maybe we can get another infested strain with a hivemind which has artistic aspirations. Do some body horror environment sculpting to put the orokin to shame

[normal mountain]

Hmmm
Like the sort of thing that would've designed Lephantis?

[tall echo]

I think that was an orokin creation

[normal mountain]

That would make sense
Lotus said it was made to fight in the Old War

I guess it just didn't click that the Orokin made it

Maybe I just thought the Infested made their own Ultimate Weapon or something

Interesting thought I had
Techrot have shields
Regular Infested don't
Warframes (mostly) have shields
Would the Techrot be somewhat closer to the Helminth strain than other Infested strains?

Supporting evidence: 1999 Helminth has obvious Techrot stylings
Incorporates wires and television screens

[north ferry]

For sure from both a Gane design and in setting the techrot is a development on the Infested.

[visual ermine]

I think it should be separate still from the collected info we have it’s established before Albrecht comes and re(pre?)introduced Helminth. The Orokin development of the strain for Warframes occurs much further in future so idk about it being similar

We might get some more information with the coda release. I imagine they’ll want a space to explain some of the info provided by the ARG more clearly in game.

[north ferry]

If infested is a raw version, techrot and Helminth are more designed.

[tall echo]

Techrot is less designed

[humble sierra]

At around 5:50, Rebb seems to accidentally confirm it

https://www.youtube.com/live/WsUmb9suuWo?feature=shared

[restive river]

Well yeah
I was there for that :p

Its confirmed now lol

[dawn glade]

Just finished the hex quest and now i dont understand if wally hates us all or Just the orokin

[restive river]

He hated the Orokin, specifically Albrecht for using his power without his permission

He willingly gave us the tenno a piece of his power
Though he’s not a fan of us as we are trying to stop him

[stiff fable]

Wally has a specific hatred for Albrecht that's also a weird possessiveness, but he also wants to break into the physical universe and turn it into his playground

[humble sierra]

His goals are still entirely unknown, whether he's solely focused on revenge against the Orokin or universal domination/destruction is unclear

[dawn glade]

Reminds me of tzeech

[stiff fable]

It's worth noting that in the leadup to Whispers he started getting into people's heads and it was like something out of Dead Space

[stiff fable]

The main difference between 40K and Warframe is that the Warp is much safer than the Void

[dawn glade]

Warp safer than the void.....ha

[north ferry]

I mean

This is a warframe channel, what did you expect?

[proper barn]

in the warp you fuel the demons and chaos gods and such. In warframe you could accidently make a chaos god by yourself.

instead of needing a whole race to do it lmao.

[humble sierra]

Rebb says he Primed himself as per the devshort, but she shouts-out the narrative team for it so it could just be her interpretation of it, not fact

[dawn glade]

Ehhh

[stiff fable]

Oh heck that would do it actually

[lean garden]

Lol welp then thats that

Wouldnt be the first since nidus prime was achieved by yoting a nidus

[dawn glade]

Who th primed himself

[stiff fable]

Lavos

[tall echo]

Average best frame moment

[cedar linden]

Ok so i was wondering

Are the hex members literally fused to their uniforms?

[humble sierra]

That's their skin now

They've got harnesses and stuff that are likely detachable

And there's dialogue that suggests they've still got their bits

[stiff fable]

Some of them mention they can take off the shell for uh funtime >.>

[cedar linden]

Man that's messed up, i thought at the start their powers simply came from the suits and they could just take it off

[humble sierra]

Yeah obviously they don't go into full detail there about how

[north jolt]

Tbh I like this idea

[humble sierra]

But ultimately they're permanently changed

[stiff fable]

True

[cedar linden]

But i got to the eleanor dialogue where she mentions how her tongue has these growths she needs to keep cutting and like. I just begin to understand some more why they all hate entrati so much

[stiff fable]

Yeah don't ask what's under the skin

[cedar linden]

Also im surprised they aren't more depressed

[stiff fable]

Oh they were before you came along

[humble sierra]

That's what you're there for

[north jolt]

They're like a crab

You gotta remove the shell if you wanna get to the good bits

[cedar linden]

Drifter really is the goat

[stiff fable]

And now that they're caught in a spiral they're getting existential dread like you--BWAHAHAHA

[cedar linden]

Imagine trying to be happy, in warframe

[stiff fable]

Man I just had crab the other day, killing it absolutely messed me up

[cedar linden]

You killed the crab? Wtf

[humble sierra]

In the comic that's set some time before the quest, everyone is looking for Entrati because they think he has a cure— barring Quincy, who seeks to kill Entrati because he's likely given up already

[north jolt]

I think visually this is more obvious with Lettie where compared to the others her physical transformation is less "complete", her legs from the knee down are still human in appearance

[stiff fable]

It's considered more humane than tossing them alive into the pot

[cedar linden]

Fair enough I guess

[north jolt]

But also it kinda makes it look like she's wearing shorts, which is kinda funny

[stiff fable]

Also Gemini skins should have Prime variants

At last, Excalibur Prime
(Literally looks identical from base Arthur)

[cedar linden]

I think her gloves also seem to be something she actually wears? With aoi and amir it seems less like they're gloves and more like it fused with the skin

[cedar linden]

I saw some panels of the comic earlier today showing the moment they take the 2nd hit of the virus, now that's just straight up body horror too

[humble sierra]

Quincy's arm also got upgraded/repaired— not sure if he had a prosthetic before, but now he has one that's functionally as good as a biological arm, far beyond the technology of 1999 (and even modern-day IRL)

[stiff fable]

but also womb tat Lettie

[north jolt]

Yeah she wears actual rubber exam gloves. What's underneath them Im not 100% sure, if its fully changed or only partially

[humble sierra]

Yeah, I think all members of the Hex wear stuff over their new carapaces

[cedar linden]

Someone posted in #warframe-1999 concept art of quincy where it shows he had both arms as prosthetics before the infection

[humble sierra]

Ooh

[cedar linden]

Doesn't Arthur skin change if you equip it on umbra? Or did I imagine that?

[humble sierra]

You can equip the Umbra scarf

[stiff fable]

I think he gets the Umbra auxiliary stuff

[humble sierra]

And most Prime accessories can be equipped on the Gemini skins (but I think that's the case for every other skin too)

[north jolt]

Also posted a pic of it in the 1999 chat for a meme, but I actually wonder if Lettie is just wearing shoes or if those are part of the Technocyte too

[humble sierra]

That seems to be shoes

[north jolt]

Im pretty sure their just shoes cause I think I can see socks

But the glowey bits throw me off somewhat

[humble sierra]

She's got Light up Velcro sneakers

[cedar linden]

Imagine if the techrot just gave you jordans💀

[north jolt]

100% worth it

[cedar linden]

Free techrot fashion

[north jolt]

No but seriously, unless this was fashion tech they already had, the implication would be that Albrecht specifically gave Lettie some light up sneakers that just so happen to match her Trinity form

[humble sierra]

Ballas would be hated a lot less if he just gave people these

[north jolt]

"You can't spell Ballas without ball, because I always be Ballin"

[cedar linden]

Ballas would already be in the Tau system if he just bribed people with light up shoes

And shoes with those little wheels on the heels

[north jolt]

Abrecht talking to Lettie> "I know I infected you with a virus that is permanently mutating your body and all, but look I got you some matching sneakers!"

Also semi related, but I know the Mall is suppose to be a sort of safe haven from both the Scaldra and Techrot, but

Shouldn't we be a bit conerned about, this?

[cedar linden]

I mean pretty much everywhere in hollvania is infected to hell and back, even the backroom just has gaping hole leading to the helminth which seems to have invited itself into the building

[north jolt]

Least the Helminth is safe, but everything else has me concerned about the long term viability of the mall as a safe zone, especially with all the spores it seems to be sprayed

[visual ermine]

I kind of wondered about that. Did any of the Kinchat convos mention the infestation in the mall? Maybe the constant On-lyne music blaring is keeping it dormant.

[sacred terrace]

so, did the stalker already have a name prior to jade's story or is that when he got his name?

[lean garden]

Jade shadows is the first time we learn his original name was sorren

[humble sierra]

That's when he got the bulk of his lore, really

[sacred terrace]

😮 i was excited to learn it

[stiff fable]

What's interesting is that apparently the devs didn't go into Jade Shadows planning to make this backstory

[sacred terrace]

O.o

[restive river]

Aren’t him and Jade the first time we ever got a Warframe’s name prior to them being framed?

[stiff fable]

Yes actually

[sacred terrace]

ba-dam-tssss

[stiff fable]

I will admit I am disappointed by one thing in this quest

I wanted Stalker to have an operator

[sacred terrace]

indeed

[stiff fable]

So that future Stalker encounters would have the Operator come out to fight you after you downed the Warframe

[sacred terrace]

i think hes more like umbra 🤷‍♂️

but im told they wont do another umbra thing

[stiff fable]

He is, which is why I'm disappointed

And yes, originally the plan was to sell adapters that would give a Warframe the Umbra passive temporarily

[sacred terrace]

that would be kinda cool O.o

[stiff fable]

But the "temporarily" thing was controversial and then players ended up hating the Sentience passive

[north jolt]

Technically Kullervo (the one we meet in Duviri) is also like Umbra

[restive river]

It used the lua fibers, I remember when they showed it off
This was before the helminth system
They showed it off with octavia, the sapient warframes wouldnt even use their abilities lol

[sacred terrace]

yeah, he did strike me as such

[restive river]

There won’t be any other Umbra warframes
But being an Umbra frame doesn’t mean you have sapience, Warframes had sapience before the tenno and some retain sapience through intense emotions (an observed reaction)

[restive river]

He is and isn’t
Umbra was purposefully done but Kullervo? Not so much

[sacred terrace]

hense 1999

[restive river]

Nah the protos are different

[north jolt]

The way I understand it, Kullervo was originally part of the first generation of warframes but somehow didn't go completely insane

[restive river]

They’re just a variant of warframes Albrecht figured out that has them retain their humanity and sapience

[stiff fable]

Umbra is Umbra because DE sold Excalibur Umbra Prime in China to get around the promise to the founders because they needed a theme to distinguish him from base Excalibur and Prime

[restive river]

Not really akin to the sapient frames directly

[restive river]

Yes, he seems to be of the first generation
And he seems to have retained sapience via his intense emotions, which we have observed with other frames.

[stiff fable]

Given Albrecht's comments it's likely that he simply refrained from giving the protos the last shot of Helminth juice that would fully Warframe them

[sacred terrace]

me ignoring the strike out lol

[north jolt]

Also the Wiki kinda eludes to his appearance being changed upon entering Duviri, which is interesting cause it makes me wonder what they will do for his prime

[restive river]

Like Kullervo’s emotions were so intense he literally made a new island and a replica of his crush lmao

[stiff fable]

Yeah Kullervo manifested the daggers into himself

[north jolt]

Edgy

[stiff fable]

Which is super awesome and cool

[sacred terrace]

O.o talk about crazy

[north jolt]

Also the wiki mentioned, or at least eluded to the fact that his appearance was changed to something more "doll" like (explains the joints) when he came to Duviri

[stiff fable]

Huh I wouldn't have bet on that

[north jolt]

Apparently his base helm is suppose to resemble Dominus Thrax's helm too, least somewhat

[stiff fable]

I would have said the alterations were with his helmet

[restive river]

Don’t trust the wiki for lore details.

[stiff fable]

Yeah was going to say

[north jolt]

This is from the new official wiki, for whatever thats worth

[stiff fable]

Same people running both

[restive river]

I still wouldn’t trust it lmao

[stiff fable]

They tend to make guesses and present them as fact

[restive river]

Yeah this

[north jolt]

I guess they could change it at some point, but if that's the official explanation DE is running with then 🤷

[stiff fable]

It's not is the thing

[restive river]

Is that stated in game anywhere?

[stiff fable]

The wiki isn't run by DE

[restive river]

^^^

[north jolt]

Wait its not?

[stiff fable]

It's a fan wiki

[north jolt]

https://wiki.warframe.com/ this one?

[restive river]

DE has always advocated for the wiki but the wiki can still be wrong
And especially is with lore details
And still continues to be.

[stiff fable]

Fan wiki

[restive river]

Yes

Its
Still a fan wiki
They just swapped from fandom to another one

[north jolt]

Not to derail, but what was the point of creating ^ this site then?

[stiff fable]

They help the wiki aggregate game data about drops and stuff

[restive river]

Cause fandom is terrible

[sacred terrace]

in the dev stream they said they were going to make an official one

[stiff fable]

Oh because Fandom is genuinely awful

[lean garden]

DE only provides hard number data to the wiki

[north jolt]

Ahh

[stiff fable]

Bad site, bad behavior from the company's owners

[lean garden]

The new wiki site is like so much better

[north jolt]

Well the way they explained the details of his appearance made sense to me anyways so

[restive river]

Unless the lore details on any of the wikis can be cited with in-game sources I would never trust them for such

[restive river]

It’s still just a guess :p

[lean garden]

Hell sometimes they cite sources and completely wiff what the sources mean

[stiff fable]

It's an officially recognized wiki but DE doesn't moderate it or write any of the contents

[restive river]

Like his helmet def shows some of that duviri/void fractaling but there’s a difference between actual details that are explained and guesses based on whats observed

[lean garden]

Such as the difference between drawing "events cannot be fully erased" and "events cannot be changed"

[stiff fable]

People from here were making corrections just last week only for wiki editors to threaten to lock the article

[feral cape]

I still remember having a whole battle with some guy about changing drifters wiki to say from an unrealized possibility instead of alternative reality for punctuality

[humble sierra]

Trust the wiki for lore details only if they have the direct quote for reference

[north jolt]

Are DE even still doing new Leverian entries anymore? I know in the story its ran into some trouble from Parvos, but is there anything other then that planned in the future for it?

[feral cape]

And then a mod locked drifters wiki page

[restive river]

Like I will forever say that my theory on the frames being void attuned and intensive emotions combine to retain some level of sapience is just that, an observed theory.

[feral cape]

And made it say both

[lean garden]

I managed to get into contact and was directed to put a talk page up for discussion, this was 2 days before the shift

[restive river]

Unknown

[humble sierra]

Dante got one barely a year ago. Not every frame needs one— especially the ones that released since then tbh

[stiff fable]

Leverian's getting less focus for the same reason Nightwave isn't getting story anymore

[north jolt]

I think Caliban's prex card is still blank even

[restive river]

Wdym blank

[stiff fable]

It actually takes a bunch of time to do one that takes away from OTHER stuff

[lean garden]

And as such nothing bloody changed lmao

[stiff fable]

Like advancing the story

[north jolt]

A: It would be cool if every frame DID get one tho B: Especially one for Kullervo

[stiff fable]

significant gesture at Glassmaker

[feral cape]

What happened

[stiff fable]

Kullervo is one of the least likely to get a Leverian

[restive river]

Kullervo got enough lore as is lmao

[north jolt]

Like most of the prex cards contain actual lore with their associated warframe when you look them up in the codex, but afaik Caliban's is still missing that

[restive river]

Garuda is far more deserving
Kullervo has a whole island detailing him.

[stiff fable]

Because he had a big setpiece where you can get his lore

[lean garden]

The eternalism page has a stupid clause claiming that events cannot be changed, I changed it only for it to be changed back

[stiff fable]

Was going to say, Garuda is the one who needs it

[north jolt]

But we already know everything we need to know about Garuda

She was found in the dumpster and then given to us

[stiff fable]

And Frost

[restive river]

?
I’m not so sure about that, afaik the only ones with associated lore are the ones with leverians
Like Xaku’s prex doesn’t have that
Gyre’s doesn’t
Cyte’s doesn’t
So what are you talking about?

[feral cape]

Fascinating despite the thing literally saying events can be rewritten?

[north jolt]

Nah but for real, Garuda actually does need some real lore Ill admit

[lean garden]

The person who did it seemingly doesn't get the difference between saying that something doesnt get fully erased and something cannot be changed

[north jolt]

Oh, some of them I didnt even know had prex cards tbh

[lean garden]

The worst part is that when I asked, thats what they cited

[north jolt]

Been a while since I checked

[lean garden]

We are still owed that since 2019 lol

[north jolt]

Warframe dumpster baby

[stiff fable]

There's a guy on the forums who rezed every thread talking about time travel in 1999 to insist, in a different massive essay for each thread, that there was no time travel in Warframe and that 1999 was a conceptual incarnation

[humble sierra]

Here's hoping one of the 3 unrevealed Protos is Garuda

[stiff fable]

Same brainrot

[restive river]

You’re def just taking about the leverians then lol

[stiff fable]

....Garuda actually would be fabulous enough for a proto

[humble sierra]

(It's probably not Garuda but rather some of the other OG frames)

[restive river]

THATS WHAT IM SAYIN’

[stiff fable]

I hope it's Octavia

[north jolt]

Tbh they kinda did Garuda dirty though. Not even a "hey we found this in a unearthed vault" or "Hey we snagged this from a Corpus lab". Just a "Hey we found this in some trash"

[feral cape]

Since making a choice cannot change a pre-existing future[2], it follows that all possible choice/chance events are simultaneously real in separate realities
This bit?

[stiff fable]

Because peacock

[humble sierra]

That one fanart lives rent free in my head

[restive river]

I’d take a Garuda proto
Gives us more Garuda and technically some lore

[lean garden]

Yeap

[feral cape]

Fascinating

[lean garden]

Cannot change is not the freaking same as cannot fully erase

[humble sierra]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Warframe/s/XNODkxjMXK

[north jolt]

I thought the two were intertwined. Like a Warframe would get both a prex AND some Leverian lore

[stiff fable]

Holy moly that is good

[stiff fable]

No not at all

[humble sierra]

The user's done a whole series

[restive river]

Nope lmao

[lean garden]

Doesnt this artist have more content?

[restive river]

I need her

[restive river]

Yeah a lot more

[stiff fable]

Every Warframe since Xaku has had a prex card with only Voruna and Dante getting a Leverian at launch

[humble sierra]

Yep
https://www.reddit.com/r/Warframe/s/u8zFgBkOAh

[north jolt]

Inb4 a new quest in the 1999 setting involves you digging her out of a trash pile too

[feral cape]

Whats the new wiki site?

[stiff fable]

Holy FUG that Hildryn

[lean garden]

Wiki.warframe.com

[stiff fable]

I don't even go in for muscle mommy and that's an 11 design

[humble sierra]

And more since then

https://www.reddit.com/r/Warframe/s/ZlnIewuyWo

https://www.reddit.com/r/Warframe/s/cUHIAyj2Ri

https://www.reddit.com/r/Warframe/s/hQXyLz71JX

[stiff fable]

Also I like that our Hildryn lore is from a prime trailer

[stiff fable]

And that she was Ballas's personal enforcer

[north jolt]

Ballas confirmed muscle mommy enjoyer

[restive river]

The real reason he jade lighted mom D:

[humble sierra]

https://tenor.com/view/i-dont-want-to-play-with-you-anymore-toy-story-i-dont-wanna-play-with-you-anymore-dont-wanna-play-no-more-play-gif-26906930

[north jolt]

Dagath backstory all over again

Actually I guessed it would be reversed Dagath backstory

[humble sierra]

Ballas because Margulis wasn't 97% muscle mass

[stiff fable]

Warframe if Margulis could crush Ballas's head with her thighs:

[restive river]

I wonder why we haven’t really gotten any frames that relate to Margulis
Like the most I can think of is maybe Saryn??

[glacial bough]

Saryn and Khora about both references to Marg

[stiff fable]

She was dead before the frame program really got underway

[north jolt]

Like a Warframe designed by Margulis? maybe worked along side Margilus as a sort of body guard or something?

[stiff fable]

All the frames that existed by the time she was executed would have been the crazy ones

[glacial bough]

Titania is indirectly connected

[humble sierra]

Harrow technically (on account of the blinding)

[stiff fable]

Harrow is a good one actually

My headcanon is still that Rell's the one who blinded her

[glacial bough]

That's a bit more of a stretch

[humble sierra]

Wait, wasn't it?

[sacred terrace]

you know, i have like 1,000,000 harrow chassis and never got his systems

[stiff fable]

It's never explicitly stated

I think it's a logical assumption

[humble sierra]

Yeah because if you don't actively farm his Neuros and Systems you won't be getting them

His other parts drop in specific missions

[north jolt]

Yeah, we dont know who actually blinded her, but I guess Rell could be a interesting theory, though an unlikely one IMO

[glacial bough]

It's inference from one of the wall messages in his quest

[feral cape]

I changed the new wiki and left a very passive aggressive change note let's see if it gets reverted

[stiff fable]

But until they say explicitly they can have it be someone else

[glacial bough]

"Blinded, she cast him out"

[sacred terrace]

ive tried though 🥺

[glacial bough]

And then Rell says he didn't mean to

[north jolt]

I missed all of that

[humble sierra]

The Circuit comes in clutch

[lean garden]

Lol they finna lock the page

[glacial bough]

Not explicit, but very implied

[north jolt]

Guess its more likely then

[humble sierra]

I replayed The Second Dream too and Ballas has lines about Margulis being disfigured or something

[feral cape]

Perchance

[sacred terrace]

duviri circuit? cause thats the only one im aware of

[humble sierra]

Yep

Harrow is one week

[sacred terrace]

next week? you got me excited lol

[stiff fable]

I still think they should put Harrow systems in Kuva fortress disruption

[humble sierra]

Check the wiki

[stiff fable]

They should be consistent with where Warframes can be acquired

[restive river]

I always thought that was alluding to how she was blind to Rell and his needs/concerns :o

[humble sierra]

Nope, a month-ish

[restive river]

Rip

[humble sierra]

It definitely is a double entendre of sorts

[sacred terrace]

ty so very much

[humble sierra]

Whichever manic, diseased Red Veil member that wrote that should be very proud

[restive river]

I can see that

[upbeat glacier]

Dumb question

Is there a in game lore reason corpus and Grineer soldiers still try to fight us even after watching one tenno slaughter hundreds of their comrades without breaking a sweat

Like could de add animations where the grineer or corpus soldier cower or run away

[stiff fable]

yes actually, they're brainwashed/indoctrinated to the point of mind control

[upbeat glacier]

So they can't feel fear?

[stiff fable]

they can but it's blunted by the rage and programming

[upbeat glacier]

Dang

I guess it's hard to relate lol

[stiff fable]

that's actually why the Steel Meridian exists

[feral cape]

If you kill that biomechanical war machine of death and destruction you get a golden star or a fat paycheck

[stiff fable]

They track down Grineer who've broken their programming and want to make up for anything they've done

[upbeat glacier]

I know it's not the same

But

When I was in the military if I saw let's say

A giant robot destroy 50 tanks

My butt is running same with others lol

Guess it's hard to relate to grineer or corpus

[stiff fable]

And those who want to fight against the queens

[upbeat glacier]

It's why I like em

[glacial bough]

And if your only choices are run away and definitely die/be sold or maybe die and maybe get the highest accolade by hampering or stopping that enemy

[stiff fable]

So, remember basic? How the military tried to make you follow orders, not be the first to run, stand with your fellow soldiers and all that?

Grineer get that from the moment they're born. They're vat grown, and from the second their ears develop the queens and commanders are whispering in their ear about loyalty and conquest.

[feral cape]

And the Corpus get MONEY

And like some level of bioengineered loyalty

[feral cape]

Sure but if you took down that robot you'd be revered as a hero and given the highest honor one could receive

OR MONEYYYYYYY

[stiff fable]

Along with a whole course of genetic engineering and mental conditioning to make them more pliable, dampen certain emotional responses, strengthen others, and prevent free thinking. Plus at least some level of straight-up memory manipulation and outright hypnoptic space magic.

The Corpus grunts actually might have it WORSE since they get straight up cybernetic augmentations and brain implants that force them to follow orders, and not all of them are volunteers. Some are repossessed normal people, others are kidnapping victims. And they're also fed cult indoctrination.

[upbeat glacier]

Ok that makes sense

So why isn't kahl joining steel

[upbeat glacier]

That one dude from New war disobeyed a direct order

[stiff fable]

Meridian's focused on fighting the Queens and the Grineer Empire, Kahl has a bone to pick with Narmer.

Kahl actually likes the Steel Meridian a lot, but has another enemy to fight.

[stiff fable]

Veso was a tech, not a grunt. They need their brains unscrambled, so they just get the cult indoctrination.

Excuse me, Vemo. Dunno how I keep getting his name wrong.

[upbeat glacier]

Oh ok I thought he was just a regular technician

[livid glade]

So protoframes can talk, makes sense yeah, umbra can't talk, makes sense yeah, how the hell does stalker talk to us? Bro dont even got the appropriate anatomy for vocals

[normal mountain]

Think he brute-forced it, actually
In his codex entry, he mentions trying to warn the Orokin of the Tenno betrayal (he notices they're poised to strike), but he can only make a 'strangled whisper'

[stiff fable]

Also Umbra is a full Warframe, the protos explicitly are not

[normal mountain]

Plus, Ballas took Umbra's voice intentionally, so he could taunt Umbra about killing his son without Umbra being able to warn anyone

[livid glade]

But warframes can only scream according to loid

[brittle siren]

Is Ballas a good guy and we just misunderstood him

[smoky gyro]

No

He’s definitely not a good guy, and he’s a driving force behind a lot of the problems in the origin system

Not sure how far you are, but you’ll eventually see just how horrible ballas is

[tall echo]

He himself says why, they draw too much attention

[humble sierra]

Yeah he's more stealth based

[sly pagoda]

by the time you reach the new war and certainly after Jade Shadows you will fully understand that Ballas is fully an example of why the Orokin had it coming.

that is my clean way to describe Ballas, the bot would dislike other language.

[thick viper]

Question about protea, why kid of two fathers ? Is that because of Ballas that "created" frames and Parvos ?

[graceful swan]

Ballas makes frames possible Parvos had the design

[humble sierra]

Yeah Parvos commissioned her and had the design

[thick viper]

I see I see, got it right, tysm

[tall echo]

Had to balance out the fatherless abberation somehow

[digital grail]

Immune to yo moma jokes

[chilly kayak]

How and with what are Albrecht Entrati and Ballas connected, if at all?🫤

[north jolt]

He use to sound a lot different. More whispery and growley, almost like he had to force himself to speak and even when he did was very minimalist with his word counts. He didn't start talking more "normally" until after Jade's Shadow

Tbh I kinda miss the old Stalker voice

[chilly iron]

Ballas and Albrecht are both Orokin, they existed at the same time. Ballas invented warframes from tweaking the Infestation. Albrecht is trying to make giant warframe like Vessels to fight The Man in the Wall

[north jolt]

Probably also so Umbra couldn't snitch on Ballas too

[cedar linden]

i guess hunhow helped him

[north jolt]

Assuming we don't have a timeline confirming otherwise and I just missed it, is it possible Stalker himself is one of the few first gen frames that didn't go insane and eventually destroyed ?

[sweet wadi]

I would assume so. Devotion to a single clear goal; like Umbra’s grudge against Ballas and Stalker’s need to avenge/protect Jade, seems to help preserve one’s sanity to a degree.

[lean garden]

Stalker definitely is in the loony bin

[sweet wadi]

I mean he’s coherent enough to talk and be reasoned with.

From what Ballas described, most of the original warframes were borderline feral, uncontrollable by any means the Orokin had.

[graceful swan]

They both had plans to go to Tau

[sweet wadi]

I have no evidence of this, but I personally think that the warframes we use are diminished from being broken down and reforged. That in their original states, the frames had more personality or ‘life’ to them.

[sweet wadi]

Also Albrecht clearly at least copied Ballas’ notes to make his own warframe.

[graceful swan]

Copied his homework but changed it up a little

[sweet wadi]

Actually, this was never clear to me, are necramechs actually built with human remains, or are the skulls a stylistic choice?

[graceful swan]

Style

There’s no corpse in them

[sweet wadi]

Felt like something he’d do, so I wasn’t sure.

[graceful swan]

Albrecht didn’t actually create the mechs they were a gift from Vilcor

[lean garden]

his next best cohort was kullervo, who was coherent enough to escape, coherent enough to find his mother, but not coherent enough to avoid accidentally killing her

[sweet wadi]

He pressed 2 by mistake

I like to imagine that making warframes is as easy as just sitting a human in a helmynth. Ballas just played up the difficulty and craft to make himself seem cooler.

[restive river]

I mean there is a process that goes into designing what Helminth turns a person into

Also plugging them into void tech so they can use their abilities

[visual ermine]

I’d be curious to catch up with Helminth on its history under the Orokin, if it particularly remembers what it did, worked willingly with them, developed goals of its own etc. Or even what it thinks of Albrecht

I feel like I haven’t really thought of it much as a character in its own right, but it’s such a available yet unused avenue for further exploring infested characters as of yet

[restive river]

I’d love if we got some of that in the KIM updates

[visual ermine]

Yes for sure. Such a bounty for lore delivery it’s been.

[restive river]

Let us message Helminth

[visual ermine]

Maybe we can expand our contacts to the origin system

Email inboxes get messy, its a good solution

[restive river]

Actually
If we get a Nidus proto I can see them having more Helninth lore
Just cause of how tied Nidus was to the room and spreading the cysts and all that

[restive river]

LET ME DATE YONTA DE AND MY LIFE IS YOURS 😭

[visual ermine]

(Midyear update: Darvo has been added as a dateable character)

[restive river]

😭

maybe he can hook us up with a new cephalon /j

[fleet furnace]

wonder what the new protoframes are going to be like personality wise

[restive river]

The one Rebb totally didn’t leak should totally be david bowie

[visual ermine]

I don’t super get glam vibes off of him tbh, but maybe seeing it in motion will help

More hair metal if anything

But anyways I hope we get something more than just voiced cosmetics as character goes.

[restive river]

I’m so happy Temple is nonbinary

I’m so excited to see what they with them

||especially their proto (thanks Rebb)||

[visual ermine]

Oh yeah? I didn’t watch their announcement

[restive river]

Watch the devshort

Also on them being nonbinary

The glamrock warframe who’s nonbinary
We’re starting the year off with a banger

[feral cape]

YO mama so ugly yo dad had to get a husband

[digital grail]

Shi thas good

[graceful swan]

I’m immune to most jokes in general

[visual ermine]

I think probably the severity of the angles are throwing me off, but i guess warframe looked at glam at thought, “could be more extra”

[graceful swan]

Wonder if another reason they made Temple NB was because they couldn’t really make an Xaku Proto

[restive river]

Why not?

I think a Xaku proto is possible, just one of the most difficult

[graceful swan]

Because the whole 3 people thing

[restive river]

Primarily due to their physical circumstances of being hollow inside

[restive river]

I think they could easily work around that

[visual ermine]

Actually i guess looking back at motley crue pics they may have ended up influencing the art direction quite a bit

[feral cape]

wither

[dense wraith]

Xaku Protoframe with DID would be the only route AFAIK, but whether it'd be handled well or not is debatable.

[visual ermine]

Get much more of this vibe than bowie from Temple personally

[restive river]

Two possibilities I can see that they could explore
Possibility 1: Xaku Proto is somehow who already had split personalities and took to the “Xaku Strain” shockingly well
Possibility 2: Xaku Proto’s mind was split into 3 once being protoed, something they now struggle with.

[restive river]

I think they could do it well
Look at the Lotus

[fleet furnace]

now i wonder what an equinox protoframe would look like

[visual ermine]

It’s kind of weird pull if you’re actually Albrecht intentionally designing a protoframe that way

[restive river]

I’d be down for that just for equinox lore

Like is she 2 individuals that meld into one?
One individual who’s mildly genderfluid/swaps from masc to femme (if thats even whats happening)
What’s happening with the augment where they split into 2 but are clearly fused as 1?
Them being made of two warframes makes me think they’re potential two as one but 🤷‍♀️

[visual ermine]

Equinox is pretty easy imo. She just embraces multiple gender norms

[restive river]

I disagree purely based on her being made of two frames and her augment literally splitting her into two

[graceful swan]

Does Equinox Prime even have the day night change thing?

[restive river]

Yes

[graceful swan]

I swear I’ve never noticed it

[restive river]

All equinox variants are the same
They all have the melded form and the day and night

[restive river]

Wdym exactly by day night change actually?

[graceful swan]

Equinox looks different during day than she does night

[restive river]

Yes

[graceful swan]

I haven’t noticed it with the Prime

[restive river]

???

Her prime still has the day/night difference in appearance

[visual ermine]

I guess it would be more interesting lore to think of her as being created from two warframe projects melded together

[restive river]

And the melded form when out of combat

[restive river]

I mean to make her base form you literally make 2 warframes, no?

[silk atlas]

Her horns flip both up if she's day and both down when night in Prime

[visual ermine]

Hope we get some more actual frame lore again at some point for the olds

[silk atlas]

What do you think the Aspects part was for

[graceful swan]

Maybe I just haven’t used Equinox in an opposite time of day to notice it

[restive river]

There’s also her body changes
Which
Is she puts on a flowy dress vs armor :p

Like idek if I’d say she goes from masc to femme really
Its just pretty dress vs armor

[visual ermine]

Could be interpreted different ways i think. Not really thought of it much as foundry conventions havent historically meant much as lore goes

[restive river]

Considering what we have for her its the most we can go off of

I mean the implications of that are curious no matter the case

[silk atlas]

Don't we also have word of God she's two different people

[visual ermine]

Yeah, im just saying that amounts to nothing. But i think it’s a good idea rather than just how ive been thinking of her as a frame that metamorphosizes basically

[restive river]

Do we??

[visual ermine]

I dont think so

[glacial bough]

No, Equinox is just a single female

[restive river]

I mean
It is called a metamorphosis iirc

She seems to be more the concept of night and day and not sun and moon
She’s the sky, transitioning from light to dark with a twilight in between

[silk atlas]

Ah

[visual ermine]

Most definite comment ive seen on her was just to solidify that she was a female frame with two forms

[graceful swan]

Think they would need to update Equinox Proto for a more 1999 day night cycle?

[restive river]

Equinox proto would be 3 separate visual designs actually
Thats a lot-

[visual ermine]

Give her a grunge pop duality i guess lol

[restive river]

Lol

[glacial bough]

No? It's just day and night

[restive river]

Not sun and moon
Just day and night

Though I could see them having them talk about Lua and Sol as a proto
Don’t know to what extent though

[visual ermine]

Make her an actual priest.

Actually there’s nothing really describing what metamorphosis does, but it has to be pretty wild for a human to undergo any way you cut it

Like does it pop one form into a pocket dimension since it doesn’t seem to actually have a shape change animation

[restive river]

I think she physically changes since there is that in between that exists

[visual ermine]

Right i suppose so

[glacial bough]

It depends on if the changes are more than cosmetic

[visual ermine]

I guess thats the intention and the gameplay shorthand is just very abbreviated

[restive river]

They are arent they?
Her abilities change

[thick viper]

Would be fun if they are connected to Limbo's lore

"Each cycle, one goes to sleep, the inbetween world where only one live"

[stiff fable]

You have to build Equinox as two separate Warframes and then fuse them together

[thick viper]

Plus there is 2 bodies, one slim and one strong

[restive river]

Eh, I can see the argument its the same body

I mean its just armor vs no armor

And again, their form where the two are fused
So
🤷‍♀️

Equinox anything when DE

[glacial bough]

Yeah, I don't know how much the actual body stucture changes versus the armor shifting

[visual ermine]

It’s funny how little frame lore was actually a concept until recently

Poor Loki. Original three and he’s got nothing to show for it

[thick viper]

Like, one is bulk and the other one has more of slim curve

nordic god

I think it's good lol

Oh wait, does Wisp is related to Oberon and/or Titania ? Cuse she's a nature witch

[north ferry]

No. Considering Wisp vibes is dreams and intangible ideas.

[stiff fable]

I still think the way you make a Warframe animation is to open with a 4-person squad of the starters+Loki and have the Loki get blown away only for the shiny new frame to show up to fill his slot

[thick viper]

The trailer show her in a middle of a verdant cavern that looks like where you fight titania, she's having fun, plus the motes and her 4th that is litteraly a solar ray

Just making theory, not proving anything

[scenic depot]

Does Wally looking like the vitruvian man have any significance

[graceful swan]

Mocking Rells nickname

[scenic depot]

Emotions can influence the void and the duviri storybook is a form of art so maybe paintings and things like that can influence it too?

Kinda like the dark place in Alan wake

[stiff fable]

Kinda? It's been mentioned that even the wall version of him isn't his real form

[scenic depot]

Does he even have a real form

[stiff fable]

That is the million credit question isn't it

[scenic depot]

What if he literally IS the void

[silk atlas]

That is the million credit question isn't it

[feral cape]

His true form is non existence for that is all he had until someone entered the void

[restive river]

And Albrecht’s

[sly pagoda]

The Vitruvian, maybe Voyager 1 or 2 fell into the void at sometime in the past.

[restive river]

If that was ever even sent out

Its an alternate earth, who knows what’s different and what’s the same

Also how would it fall into the void?
Idek if we know how the Orokin discovered it in the first place tbh

[feral cape]

Probably working backwards from an assumption of "an alternative universe must exist" and likly something to do with kuva

[cedar linden]

honestly maybe that's to represent all the many forms he can take?

it is show that the man in the wall basically becomes your doppleganger once you're in the void, so i dont get it why he keeps showing this form, or rather i think this could be a deliberate choice by him. KInda like how eldritch horrors have that whole deal with seeing their true forms driving humans crazy

[humble sierra]

The Vitruvian man, IIRC, was meant to be the representation of what the perfect proportions on a male human being were like. MITW might be saying he is perfection? Or maybe he's twisting the idea of perfection?

[tall echo]

Or it's just a man. In a wall.

[normal mountain]

Hehe
The Indifference hears people calling it "The Man in the Wall" and goes for the best representation of that name
like it's an AI art generator

[humble sierra]

Surprised I didn't notice this on the Zariman earlier

[terse bolt]

Salut

[steel hazel]

Q: are there any proper warframe novels i can read?

[tall echo]

No

[steel hazel]

sadge

[tall echo]

Aside from a few very short comics

[steel hazel]

whelp time to write fanfiction

[proper barn]

Do you have any lore questions?

[steel hazel]

where can i read about confirmed canon events during the old war? like i know theres the shortstory about mag prime and the arcwing

[proper barn]

What parts of it?

Also do you know about the like entrati going to the Void logs?

Or well the first time someone that we knew successfully went to the void.

[steel hazel]

yes? atleast im pretty sure i know what youre talking about

with the seraglass bell yeah?

little bangel

[proper barn]

Have you done whispers?

[steel hazel]

yes

theres also that house of mirrors story

[proper barn]

Oh then you can just watch the entrati stuff in the room where robo loid is

With the family

It's in order from left to right.

[steel hazel]

necraloid is in several rooms

[proper barn]

Okay I'll show you.

[steel hazel]

like in the necralisk or sactum?

hart to fight orowyrm and type

[proper barn]

Necralisk.

They where there during the original diemos update too.

Just before you do whispers you need max diemos ranks with the family and necraloid

[proper barn]

these things.

[proper barn]

before these where here you would go down into the like sphere thing and you could watch each one if you did this.

[feral cape]

Should be avaliable online

I cant recall the name of the comic but Google cephalon Suda comic and you should find it

[tall echo]

There is almost no info on what happened during the old war

[burnt light]

Old war was between who?

[steel hazel]

pretty much yes

[stiff fable]

www. fanfiction.net/s/12929404/1/Scavengers-A-Warframe-Story
Single best Warframe fiction ever written

Read it as I started playing Warframe and it's probably what convinced me to stick with the game back then

[drifting mirage]

Ew ff.net

In the modern era

[stiff fable]

The person who created AO3's tagging system needs to be tried at the Hague

But also this was written before anyone seriously used AO3 besides Naomi Novik

[tall echo]

[stiff fable]

The Orokin and everyone else

[steel hazel]

hense my responce of "pretty much yes" lol

[restive river]

Orokin and the Sentients

[steel hazel]

but the grineer also rebelled during the war

[lean garden]

*after more like

the tabs we get about the grineer turning on the orokin come in the wake of the collapse, which occurs after the war

[steel hazel]

wait so did they rebel before or after the drum solo heard round the system?

[lean garden]

after iirc

[woven coyote]

War was won
Orokin celebrated
Drumroll
Tenno kill orokin
Grineer notice all the free real estate

[steel hazel]

yet they had banshee prime on call to fight them?

or is that not cannon