lore-discussion

[restive river]

He’s a Warframe.

[manic horizon]

Was ge human or on ten zero

[restive river]

That was after the tenno rebellion

[stiff fable]

He was a normal Orokin soldi--

OH MY GOD STALKER IS CLOUD

[restive river]

He was a human, turned into a warframe.

[stiff fable]

AHAHAHAHAHA

[restive river]

He was not a tenno and never had a tenno

[manic horizon]

Then jade...

[restive river]

Same deal

[stiff fable]

Jade was his girlfriend

[restive river]

Them having a child was illegal so Ballas helminthed both of them

[manic horizon]

Baby would die in the process then, a new one would have to be made

[restive river]

And ig cause Jade hated the Orokin he extra hated her

[stiff fable]

Problem is that humans working for the Orokin weren't supposed to have partners, because the law was that they could ONLY have their work for Orokin in their lives

[restive river]

Nope, Ballas kept it alive.

[lament stirrup]

Jade did have a Tenno, but she put them back to sleep, possibly making her the only instance of a warframe calming an Operator.

[restive river]

But in a state where it could not grow

[manic horizon]

Dudes a beast

[restive river]

He’s quite evil

This is why killing the orokin was morally and ethically correct

Even if it caused damage it was better than the alternative.

[stiff fable]

If the Sentients hadn't planned to kill every human ever, we would have worked together

[restive river]

Yup

[stiff fable]

Funny that

[manic horizon]

They were a dominant selfish race power hungry and domineering

[restive river]

Heck I’d still love to team up with sentients

[stiff fable]

Shame they mostly still want to kill every human ever

[restive river]

Not even a race, just a higher class on a caste based system

[stiff fable]

Yeah the Orokin were just super billionaires

[manic horizon]

So basically celebrities but worsè

[restive river]

They were human, same as any other
Just had better tech and the biggest egos you’ve ever seen.

[lament stirrup]

Technically we did, albeit unknowingly, since we have the Lotus.

[restive river]

Trillionaires + celebrities

[manic horizon]

So legit celebrities

[stiff fable]

Annnd let's not talk about how the sentinels are possibly sentients

[restive river]

I want more!

[lament stirrup]

More like politicians but with a proper sense of style.

So, celebrities that start cults.

[normal mountain]

Hunhow and briefly Erra during NW

[stiff fable]

also I will never get over how arcanes are little sentient bits we stick to our Warframes

[restive river]

They seem to be a lower variant as they seem to lack the adaptation and are have lower intelligence
I say they’re akin to dogs

[manic horizon]

And less moral code

[restive river]

I still want more

[manic horizon]

Natah as your speaker

[restive river]

Except maybe not all of them???

[lament stirrup]

Perhaps its my cynicism talking, but the Orokin have about the same amount of moral code as most of the politicans I've seen.

[restive river]

I chose Lotus
She was the only identity she actually had any hand in choosing

[normal mountain]

Caliban can team up with Sentients any time he wants

[restive river]

You know what I mean

[manic horizon]

Margulis bc most human

[stiff fable]

pfft

[restive river]

Give me a sentient syndicate

[stiff fable]

Let's go Taaaaaaaaau

[lament stirrup]

I mean, the choice is being made by Lotus, so they're all something she has a hand in.

[restive river]

If the programmed identity of our adoptive mom is more human then sure

[restive river]

I mean prior to that actual choice :p

[stiff fable]

Oh right Ducky dunno if you saw but I was digging through some Pazuul lines

[manic horizon]

Looks wise💔

[restive river]

Yeah?

[stiff fable]

Did you know that Pazuul's ultimate goal is taking Narmer to Tau

[lament stirrup]

You can just buy the skin if thats all you care about. Its what I did for the Natah look.

[restive river]

I vaguely recall that

[manic horizon]

Not spending plat

[stiff fable]

"I am Pazuul of Narmer. I abjure the Void that scalded my Father's womb. I abjure the Golden Makers. I abjure the Kuva, and the Kuria. I abjure the mannequin and the eyeless. My doctrine shall be a devouring. Let Narmer draw unto herself, all things. Veils to swallow the mind, vessels to swallow the body. A mighty maw to swallow all, and bear us to Tau, as one."

[restive river]

I kinda always figured that was the plan
Finish the void arc
Then the Tau arc starts with Narmer and Pazuul

[manic horizon]

What is the kuria actually

[restive river]

Which if Pazuul and Narmer aren’t in the void arc then they’re def whats next even if we go to Tau during this arc

[stiff fable]

They're basically orokin codex fragments

[restive river]

Written by
Someone

[lament stirrup]

Kuria are little Orokin statue's with a cryptic poem detailkng the Grineer queens rise to power.

[restive river]

We don’t know who they were but somehow they knew what they did

Possibly an Orokin
Maybe the nanny to the twin queens
But those are speculations

[stiff fable]

they actually predate the codex fragments entirely

[lament stirrup]

My personal assumption was a Cephalon in charge of a clone factory.

[restive river]

I can see that too

[stiff fable]

The name attached is Olemedi, but who or what that is, who knows

[restive river]

Sounds like they could be a cephalon
Sounds like they could be an Orokin
We’ll never know
🤷‍♀️

[lament stirrup]

If/when they make Worm relevant again, I hope to god we get more details on Olomedi.

[stiff fable]

we're due a new front in the Corpus/Grineer war

Let's have Narmer invasions already

wouldn't even be hard

[lament stirrup]

Since the Operator and Worm are both teenagers, its ethically okay for them to fist fight on screen.

[stiff fable]

hahaha

[stiff fable]

My wishlist: Praghasa on Star Chart
Narmer invasions
More void-corrupted weapons like Aeolak
Zariman expansion
Duviri expansion

[restive river]

Isn’t the operator technically older?

[stiff fable]

Worm was born during the Old War

[restive river]

Might I add Murmur weapons?

[stiff fable]

And was active the whole time, while Operator was in cold sleep

[lament stirrup]

I mean, Worm's a body hopping Orokin, so they've both got the "technically a thousand years old" thing going on.

[stiff fable]

I dig murmur weapons but what would that even be?

[restive river]

So mentally she’s older cause our thousand year nappy

[stiff fable]

yep

[restive river]

I think Stallord had some concepts?
I’d take anything ngl

[stiff fable]

I had a thought for Sentient melee weapons

They all work like the Dark Split Sword

Slotting a stance mod changes the weapon type

[lament stirrup]

I have a screenshot for this.

[stiff fable]

2H Nikana or dual nikana, scythe or bladewhip, polearm or tonfas, etc

AHAHAHAHAHA

[restive river]

GENIUS

A GUN THAT SHOOTS HANDS

[restive river]

Ngl that’d be AMAZING

[stiff fable]

There's precedent and it'd give people a reason to use stance forma

[restive river]

Real

[stiff fable]

Also, War could become two Broken Wars which is hilarious

PS make War do Tau damage

[lament stirrup]

They could also give us a bludgeoning whip thats a crawling fragment we've grabbed by the arm.

[stiff fable]

maybe lean into the hostile architecture angle for Murmur weapons

Guns where the barrel doesn't connect to the stock, or that look like masonry

or that screams when you fire

[lean garden]

A handgun?

[stiff fable]

groan

[plush phoenix]

aww i just wanted to link a song that reminded me of jordas... no jordas stans online

jordas is such an interesting character i find him really compelling

[restive river]

YES

[lament stirrup]

The akimbo version could be finger guns.

"Where are my fingerbones kiddo?"
"RIGHT HERE, YOU GLORIFIED PIECE OF ASPHALT!"

[upbeat glacier]

Ostron rec center when

[restive river]

:D

[normal mountain]

And is functionally twice as loud as Alarming

[humble sierra]

Neci Rusalka and Viktor Vodyanoi both have Sedna nodes named after them.

[tall echo]

Gun that is just a stone cube. How does it shoot? Void magic.

[restive river]

Can’t wait for the rest of the Sedna crew

Captain Hydron when (their gamemode is a great way to level up a frame fast)

[spice spade]

looks like the Eternalism edit got reverted

[lean garden]

By an unknown clown

[spice spade]

I've talked with one of the wiki admins, if you revert it again, the page will be locked.

[lean garden]

you have now?

Let me talk to them

[spice spade]

The Palimpsest of Spacetime states that "Events can be rewritten; traces of the original persist." as the correct answer.
If the original event was completely overwritten, it would mean the second answer would be correct. "Everything that exists could, at any point, be erased"

Sure, their name Discord name is chao.gg

I've calmed down and reassessed my reasoning.

by the logic of the correct answer for The Palimpsest of Spacetime, it would mean the timeline splits into two.
The rewritten, new timeline. And the original timeline, since traces of it still persist, and will not be erased.

[lean garden]

You can see that traces of the old persist, since you and the hex all remember the old timeline in the new altered one

[lean garden]

which goes to say, because traces remain, a "complete" overwrite does not occur, therefore the second answer is not correct, because of the qualifier of "everything"

[spice spade]

the hex being alive is because we rewrote the events, the original timeline of them dying still persist. There is still a timeline where they die.
Because if the timeline where they died stopping existing, everything in that timeline will be erased.

As a different example: Let's take an RPG Save File for example. That save file will be our past. If we take a critical choice from then on, and continue from that point forward. And change the events of that world completely, and save. That future still exists.

Now let's go ahead and reload the save, go back into the past, and made a different set of decisions that make an entirely different set of drastic changes for the world, and save.

Even though we went back into the past, we have two different points of time.

[lean garden]

I would most certainly argue that the persistence in the memories of the Hex and the Drifter is indication that the first option and not the second one is in play, because if the memories of that timeline have not disappeared then evidently traces remain, and the timeline is not entirely gone

[lean garden]

lets carry on in that example, functionally, there is only one "timeline" in the save that is expressed and relevant. As a save scummer, I know how explicit this expression is

The traces of what was done before remain in me, the observers mind. But the timeline is all functionally gone

[north ferry]

What happens to all the pets we gave Lotus when she's going through her Natah, Dead and Sitting at the edge of hell phases?

This is a joke question.

[lean garden]

Because a key thing about your example of "reloading the save" is that whatever you've done has been reverted, its gone save for the memory you have of it in you

[lean garden]

Obviously theyre in the big great ranch in the sky

[spice spade]

Let's put it like this: We made a save as the Drifter, and we experienced a Bad Ending. We made a New Game+ Save. This is the save where we redo the loop, and with our past experience from the original save. We know have the means to get a Good Ending, and we either decide to:
Forget: Make a New Game+ refresh, and the Hex forget who we are.
or
Remember: New Game++ Where everybody remembers everything, and the year resets.

[north ferry]

Now I'm thinking about it, saves are actually kinda useful for eternalism

Or in particular, how the Operator and Drifter share capabilites, in that its a bug that can be done with save manipulation. You see it in speed runs and the like.

[lean garden]

its quite the apt description, but only relevant insofar as you remember where things are saved

[spice spade]

When the 1999 year resets we have the option for the Hex to remember us, or to forget us.

[lean garden]

yes, a choice (which goes for any choice) sparks a split according to eternalism, however, you only get to be in one

and the other remains distant

[north ferry]

They still remember us from the first loop they encounter us, the failure that is reset to the start of the year.

[spice spade]

We are given the option to choose either timeline. Both timelines are true, sure we are locked into one, but we can always go back and choose which one we want.
It's also how the Operator sort of works.
If they die in one timeline, we're just sent back before our death into a different one.

[lean garden]

eleanor's conversations with you indicate that they do remember, however I think DE's inclusion of the yearly reset mechanic creates a situation where chemistry levels are reset or not based on if it is remembered or not, effectively starting events from the "save" at the start of your second loop

[lean garden]

If they die in one timeline, we're just sent back before our death into a different one.
This uh, doesn't appear to be the case

[spice spade]

There is a cinematic sorta of death cutscene where your operator is floating in a sort of void, and you are reset back.

[lean garden]

you will have many conversations with the Hex about your functional immortality, none of which involve you D4Cing your way back

[north ferry]

lol, I didn't get that cutscene

[lean garden]

its if you get clocked during say CoH, War Within, Sacrifice

Normal gameplay doesnt have it

[spice spade]

It's basically a way of just rewinding the clock narratively.

[north ferry]

Oh I misread, I thought you were talking about a cutscene from the memory reset.

[spice spade]

Nope, my bad.

[lean garden]

We arent shunting into another timeline where we dont die, we just come back into the same one

thats why Ballas commits to shanking us and trapping us into a timeloop

[spice spade]

Were we trapped in a timeloop?

I might have to replay or read the transcripts again.

[lean garden]

if we just take another timeline where we wont die, then ballas wouldnt have been so confident in our inability to die via conventional means

because to him we'd die

[lean garden]

Pom-2 logs in the sanctum

explicitly stated that operator was thrown into a time loop

because ballas knew he couldnt kill us

[lean garden]

not your fault, this was only revealed in the Pom-2

[spice spade]

Yeah...Sorry for uh, going off the rails in the past.
I have a few mental health complications that I need to still work on mending over.

[lean garden]

The Tenno’s personal timeline has been disrupted. Knowing he cannot kill the Tenno, Ballas has opted to imprison them within their own history. The Tenno will be unable to escape this loop without the paradoxical intervention of an outside force.
text for context

[spice spade]

What was with the cutscene in the New War when the Operator took the deal.

Where just multiple versions of the same Operator kept falling over.

[lean garden]

all sequences with the operator prior to the handshake scene are the operator living within a time loop of that evetn

[spice spade]

The timeloop Ballas forced them into?

[lean garden]

there are two main camps of thought:

1. In the shaking of the hand, inclusive of when the Drifter intervenes and breaks the loop, this was Wally collapsing all the timelines of the operator into just two

or

2. In the shaking of the hand, inclusive of when the Drifter intervenes and breaks the loop, this was reflective of all the loops the operator was living through, reseting each time they shook hands, right until the drifter intervened

[lean garden]

yes

[spice spade]

I want to believe the second camp, personally. Mostly because it fits my belief of the whole divergent timeline version of time travel and mucking with events.

[lean garden]

Your choice, either camp is viable, because theyre really just end there

[spice spade]

Where no matter which timeline version of the Operator tries to fight against Ballas, he always sends them back via the timeloop he had enforced on them.

Ballas basically just funneling all the potential versions into one single timeline to get sent back.

[lean garden]

not sure if ballas had the vision for that, but he definitely did something

[spice spade]

Definitely.

Void works in mysterious ways.

I, apologize again for my past behavior.

[lean garden]

Its cool

[spice spade]

I can really only explain it as, I felt like my explanations and reasonings were being ignored or brushed over and I was getting increasingly frustrated when I was trying to explain my thought process.

[lean garden]

Ah, apologies if I made you feel that way

[spice spade]

It's fine, I can't excuse my behavior, but I can explain why my behavior was like. Just a lot of mental disorders sorta compounded together that makes communicating my thoughts very hard. I'm on the spectrum, got Bi-Polar II, BPD, and GAD. Dealing with it is very rough and trying to be better at communicating my thoughts properly and reacting is still an ongoing journey.

I am interested to see which theories are correct, what's at Tau that Albrecht wants to go there next, that kinda stuff.

Like seriously, what is at Tau that Albrecht is wanting to go there next.

Hope Tennocon 2025 shows why Tau is pivotal next.

[lean garden]

Mesopotamian Sentient civilisation is on my bingo card

[north ferry]

What isn't there at Tau? At this point its el dorado or shangrila or atlantis to the people of Origin, some place so mythical that there doesn't need to be anything there for them to find value in it.

[spice spade]

Indus River Sentient Civilization

[north ferry]

I do hope it is less hyped then it currently is

It would be absolutely cool to see another sentient civilisation

[spice spade]

I mean, Tau was kinda the next place for the Orokin to ruin inhabit.

[lean garden]

OH OH MAKE IT EL DORADO, THE GOLDEN CITY THAT THE GOLDEN LORDS COULD NEVER HAVE

[spice spade]

That'd be pretty good

It'd be pretty funny if we just arrived there and we get a Sentient Syndicate to level up

[lean garden]

super technically we aint hype much about it, theres really nothing much for us to go on aside for a smarmy bastard allegedly running off there

[north ferry]

lol, either that or its already been ruined by the Indifference and the newest front of the battle

[lean garden]

If Guardians can have a hive contact, Tenno can have a not-hunhow-not-natah sentient contact

[spice spade]

true

[north ferry]

Almost absolutely even without and Destiny stuff, pretty much since old man hunhow chilled a little and the whole quest line.

[spice spade]

Honestly it would be like, the Syndicate wanting to gut us, but since these "strange void manifestations." that they can't adapt to, they need us or they will die out.

[lean garden]

imagine our call to tau is a distress call

[spice spade]

It would be honestly amazing if we go there with Lotus too.
The Song of the Void Angels vs the Song of the Sentient Queen.

[north ferry]

She's been a little sidelined

[spice spade]

yeah, true. Especially with Wally trying to get at her via the Operator.

[north ferry]

Of course, that implies void can get to sentients

[spice spade]

Well, the Void is toxic to Sentients.

[north ferry]

Void Corrupted Sentients

[spice spade]

Angelified Sentients.

[lean garden]

Sentients with the nay nay

[spice spade]

new Sentient attack, the whip into the nay nay.

[lean garden]

Ceti Lacera go brrrrrrrr

[north ferry]

Archon Lich would be neat XD

[spice spade]

We don't have many Sentient weapons to Lich-ify sadly, it would probably be a lot of work to create entirely new weapon models too

We have...Shedu, Basmu...uh, the Caliban Scythe

Oh, huh, y'know I forgot the Paracesis can channel void energy.

That's probably how Ballas sorta locked us in a loop. Just used Paracesis as a lock and threw us away.

...damn I just realized...since Drifter is just an alternate timeline version of the Operator, the version who didn't get rescued. And was stabbed as well during his routine Duviri loops. It probably meant that the Paracesis literally just stabbed ALL the versions of the Operator through ALL possible timelines of them.

...I hope we get to stab Wally with the Paracesis.

[strange plinth]

all versions of the operator through all possible timelines is just operator and drifter, no? isn't that what the sequence right after the handshake in tnw is about? every other version of the operator dies, their timeline cut out, except for two.

[spice spade]

the way I view the timeline is the Operator is basically Immortal via Eternalism shenanigans. If they die in a quest like The War Within, they have that sorta void floaty death cutscene and are just deposited back in time to restart and try and change the events of their past.

Ballas knew the Tenno are immortal, and another one would just come back to take it's place. So he had to make sure all possible variations were stuck.

Tenno do have the Oro, and the Paracesis probably disrupted the Oro of the Operator.

I want to believe the handshake between the Operator and Drifter was just sealing the deal between themselves and sorta just paradoxically made it so they could switch between each other.

in the New War, when Drifter got blasted by Eidolon Lotus, he was swapped with the Operator. And he took their spot in the timeloop Ballas placed the operator in.

They're the same person, and paradoxically, are not.

Kinda how the Operator could transference from anywhere into their Warframe, the Operator and Drifter can transference swap their places.

https://tenor.com/view/todo-todo-aoi-itadori-mahito-jujutsu-kaisen-gif-12962404709715225572

Like, basically this but with each other.

The reason why the Operator can't go to 1999 is because Wally is hyper focused on the Operator, instead of the Drifter.

[restive river]

I think the Drifter was chosen because of their loop experience too

[spice spade]

Yeah, that's also fair.

[restive river]

And the outside lore reason is we’re not having the physically a child romance the hot warframe people

[spice spade]

Lotus in Lotus Eaters also choose Drifter to go.

[restive river]

Cause
Ew

[spice spade]

yeah, that's...yeah lol

[restive river]

Ye, she mentions how they’re a paradox too so I def think it has to do with their loop experience

As they have a lot of experience with time loops and experience in causing loops, which they do expand and reset the loop rather than letting the reactor explode

[strange plinth]

operator's deal also seems to have more to it than drifter's
whatever operator's payment is, drifter's seems to have just been 'yeah they get to go but you get to stay.'
not 100% on that but it feels that way to me

[spice spade]

the deal between Drifter and Operator is weird.

I like Wally wants to actually try and take their deal away from the Operator, and thus also take away Drifter's deal.

Drifter isn't a target because he never developed his transference or void powers.

[restive river]

It seems that Operator shared their piece of Wally with the Drifter so Drifter’s powers are exempt from the deal maybe?

[spice spade]

yeah, probably.

[restive river]

That’s because Wally never gave them powers

The other tenno in Drifter’s versions of events got powers and got to be saved, but not them
They got space trauma

[spice spade]

yeah.

[restive river]

Though learning about their experience they had it better than Operator until they wanted to leave :p

[spice spade]

space trauma that allowed Duviri to manifest.

[restive river]

Ye

Got Thrax as a bestie til they outgrew him

And Thrax does what children do
Tantrums

[spice spade]

it's funny how Duviri also has their own CE of Ballas.

[restive river]

Thanks Kullervo

Your man crush will forever torture you now

[spice spade]

Ballas getting jealous when you spare and befriend Kullervo

[restive river]

[spice spade]

"WHAT, NO!! YOU WERE SUPPOSED TO KILL HIM! NOT BEFRIEND HIM!!"

I wonder, canonically, how many "Tenno" are still kicking around.

Like, we as the player cannot be the only Tenno running around, surely.

I know there are theories of the Tenno you squad up with in the game are potentially completely different alternate timeline versions that just, somehow, through the void, magically intersected through yours.
Probably through a sorta Misfit Reality type deal.

[strange plinth]

absolute minimum 4 (8? due to face-off?)
the player is the Chosen Operator, and we can have up to 3 other tenno in a squad
enough of a faction that the relays are considered tenno-owned

[spice spade]

Imagine the Hex seeing 8 Drifters lined up.

"...You seeing this, Amir?"
"Is the Matrix broken or something? We got 8 Marty McFleas!?"

[tall echo]

A few thousand at least

[spice spade]

Operation Scarlet Spear is canon, right?

or is it like...Pseudo-Canon?

[tall echo]

All operations are canon

[spice spade]

Damn...yea there's a lot of Tenno.

[restive river]

Count how many cryopods we see in the erra cutscene

[tall echo]

There were a lot of families on the zariman

And then orphans

[restive river]

mhm

I even had a convo about that with Quincy today
It was crowded

I should put more knoves in Tuvul…

[tall echo]

Yes, many knoves

He deserves them

[spice spade]

now this is a Knofe
*pulls out Prisma Machete*

[restive river]

Changing it back just for that

[tall echo]

One weird typo away from being bri'ish
Knoife

[restive river]

[strange plinth]

thought of this because of the cryopod mention
do we know what would happen if a tenno's only warframe connection was broken (pre-waking from the second dream, ofc)
wake up? death? coma?
like we know stalker has killed warframes, but not any tenno i don't think, what happened to the operators of those frames?

[tall echo]

Unknown

[strange plinth]

fair enough then

[spice spade]

I'm pretty sure a Tenno can just cut the link with their Warframe...If they knew they were actually asleep.

I know after Second Dream, we had to use the Transference Chair

and then Teshin in War Within taught us to Transference just as ourselves.

[tall echo]

One theory is that irreversibly killing a frame while its operator is still unaware kills the operator

[spice spade]

You die in the dream, you die in real life

[tall echo]

Another would be the silverhand, where it's just nothing for a bit before they get plugged into another frame by lotus

[spice spade]

I think that has merit, Didn't Mirage like...die?

Like Mirage's frame was swarmed by the Sentients and they just...died.

same with Limbo, math'd so hard he esploded

[tall echo]

Yes, but at that point tsd wasn't a thing yet

[spice spade]

fair.

[tall echo]

So it's unclear if the operators died

[spice spade]

Imagine we get to see the canonical operators for these frames.

would be neat.

[tall echo]

Maybe we did during tnw. We will probably never know

[spice spade]

😔

[tall echo]

The amount of typing greyscale is doing scares me

[strange plinth]

lmao i just take a while to actually think about what i'm typing (it is also currently 2 am)

i feel like if there were "current" tenno npcs it would.. idk. cheapen? it a bit
atm in anyone's given game, the other tenno in their squad could've been the others in that zariman classroom
but it doesn't matter. so much time has passed and so much has happened.
to put a definitive fate on any of them would seem odd to me
Rell being an exception, obviously.

[tall echo]

Some die, some desert, some go independent, the usual

[strange plinth]

yeah ig

[tall echo]

Well, if tenno can die

Still not very clear

"You can't kill the devil" yeah and you can't trust unreliable narrator #1 so

[strange plinth]

ballas was certainly convinced we couldn't
n we did get stabbed through a pretty vital area n came out of it physically unscathed

[rigid peak]

There can only be a couple-thousand Tenno, tops! So just imagine what a mess it would be if they were NOT immortal!!! With all the wars and skirmishes over the years attrition alone would have diminished our faction to such an extent as to be non-functional (or entirely without any impact)!

That deal with Wall-e is CRITICAL to the Tenno remaining a viable faction and force within the Origin system!

[strange plinth]

also true, can't trust unreliable narrator

[north ferry]

Only a couple thousand? How so?

[tall echo]

He also threw us into the void, which put us in a timeloop, restoring our body

[north ferry]

I mean, the deal with Wally is a bit more critical than just the Tenno? It also was made without any consideration to the state of the tenno's power or the origin system.

[rigid peak]

How many families do you think were in the Ten-Zero??? And how many kids did each family have???

There's a logical limit on how many Tenno we coulda started with, and it's not many really - not when you look at the size of the solar system we play in!

My personal head-cannon is we topped out at 5K MAX!

Probably closer to around 3K.

That ain't a lot of do-gooders to keep the system stabke!

[north ferry]

The Zariman is a big ship Ina big setting.

[tall echo]

I think we have an exact number of how many people were chosen to go on the zariman from the pre-aotz arg, but idk where to even begin looking

[north ferry]

So someone mentioned there's an Arg that give some numbers

[glacial bough]

It's far more than 5k

[tall echo]

[strange plinth]

it was crowded, apparently
mentioned in a kim chat with Q, according to Ducky
zariman is a Big ship

[glacial bough]

The ship is as large or larger than even formorians

[rigid peak]

Yes but the majority of the people had to be functional adults actually contributing.

[tall echo]

If the star chart appearance is to scale, the zariman is larger than the massive ships we infiltrate in rj

[glacial bough]

Yes, and the ship was huge

[north ferry]

Even then, doesn't change much, at least another 0 on the end of thay number.

[glacial bough]

And besides all that, we know in universe there are minimum 30k to 50k active Tenno from the Fortuna ARG

[rigid peak]

No frigging way.

[north ferry]

Numbers are hard.

[rigid peak]

Have a place you can point me to? Would love to have a look-see!

[tall echo]

Not really. There was a dedicated crew, and the systems were pretty easy to maintain. Also, cephalons.

[rigid peak]

You had to have adults that were going to be functional and contributing when it came to colonisation!

The kids were important too, but secondary.

[tall echo]

They had machines for most of that
(Not sentients, normal machines)

[north ferry]

I would say at least the population of a city on there. It was half colony ship, and 5,000 families is very small.

[tall echo]

Half a colony ship? Entirely a colony ship

[glacial bough]

Like, your average high school is already about 1000 kids.

A ship meant to seed an entire solar system is going to have more than three schools worth of children

[north ferry]

Consider that if society is reflective of how we understand it, the majority of people going as workers will have families and would be bringing those families.

When I say half colony ship I persume like the sentients it would have also been intended to build a link to Origin, which would be the other 'half'

[rigid peak]

Welp. I suppose until they give us definitive numbers it is all just conjecture.

And everyone has a different understanding of what may have been wanted / needed for the trip and afterwards, as well as the size of the ship and and and and... 🤷🏽‍♂️

[tall echo]

The sentients happened after the zariman was lost

Brain slow nvm

[north ferry]

Lol

[glacial bough]

One of the best things about Warframe is that DE low-key understands how big numbers actually are when you scale up to the size of the solar system

[rigid peak]

I imagine if things hadn't gone pear-shaped then the Ten-Zero woulda just been the first colony ship sent.

[tall echo]

The only, more likely

[north ferry]

As far as I know there are no communications technologies to transmit messages that far to confirm it works.

It was several years until it's return wasn't it? Or just months.

[tall echo]

They were supposed to build a solar rail to make safe jumps possible, and then everyone could've gone

[tall echo]

Great question

[rigid peak]

Well that's kinda what I meant: Lots more colonists to follow... Not necessarily "another colony ship."

Expressed badly from my end.

[tall echo]

[strange plinth]

i want to say it was years? but i do not have a source

[rigid peak]

Vague: "Years" yeah.

[tall echo]

What exactly is a templar warden even... it that like a prison warden that just happens to also be a templar?

[north ferry]

Again big numbers are very hard to wrap the head around and with no real context to the technology requirements for crew.

Uhhh. Two moderately cool sounding words that got put together.

[tall echo]

Do you hunt-a the assassino?

🤌

[north ferry]

There is a source somewhere, but I think it's still vague as to the length of time.

[rigid peak]

IIRC they literally just say "years" / no number attached!

[north ferry]

But they're still 'children' when it returns so even if it was years, it can't be that many

[tall echo]

Good point

[rigid peak]

Wibbly-wobbky, timey-winey. 😁

[tall echo]

Although time doesn't like to be linear in the void

[rigid peak]

This

[tall echo]

Sometimes time goes upwards or sideways instead

Might even zigzag if it's feeling fancy

[spice spade]

the void, where you can both have your cake and eat it too, and cannot

[north ferry]

I'm not even sure of the relevance of the non linearity of time in this case anyway.

[spice spade]

Void is a big narrative McGuffin anyway

[tall echo]

Well, it is, because the age of the passengers doesn't really indicate how long it was gone

[spice spade]

The Void can spit out gacha cabbages

[north ferry]

Considering it's the void I would say Time, like other things it's very much subject to conception, thus why loops and time travel do occur, but I don't know much in terms of indication there's any disjointedness between standard trips through or into it.

[tall echo]

And might get eaten by the cake if you're too excited about it

[spice spade]

True and Real

Void Angel Cake

[tall echo]

Vaake

[spice spade]

Vaake Heyk

[tall echo]

How is there still no vay hek emoji... Anyways, here's this gif instead

[mighty quartz]

i can hear him smh

[tall echo]

"Why are these fools still breathing MY air!!"

[digital grail]

I wish I could replay heart of deimos

[coral rover]

Can u not pick it back up from the codex

[digital grail]

Nope

It's non repayable

[coral rover]

Damn unlucky

I guess u gotta make an alt then

[digital grail]

Dammit DE

It's a favourite bc it's the quest I quit on

[summer egret]

i have a terrifing thought thanks to a squad chat WHAT DO KAVATS or kurborws EAT and HOW Horrific would a kavat HAIRBALL be like i just imagine pieces of latex metal clone flesh tech some fish maby a badly digested infested tumor or two mixed with that all some fur and some murmur dust and a fish bone or two like HURL

[graceful swan]

Humans

And clones of humans

[tall echo]

Kavats eat technocyte

[summer egret]

but im talking ALL kavats so even wild ones i count like a irl cat hairball can be gross and a pain to clean just imagine that of a kavat like ordis always mentions the other clean up but not ever the REJECTION

just imagen your nice clean pure white fresh painted orbiter and then your kavat or kurborw rejects its internal food voilently yikes

[tall echo]

Yes

All kavats eat technocyte

Weird evolution

Or maybe gene tampering from the orokin days

[summer egret]

uhm not really as the wild ones in plain of eidelon will not eat technocyte as there is none there

[tall echo]

Vasca eat either meat or blood depending on the stage, but they're literally not supposed to do that

That's caused by their illness

[upbeat glacier]

All corpus gangster till I walk into the meeting with an AK-47

Which is funny as heck

Considering it's what a millennia old

[tall echo]

A few thousand years

[upbeat glacier]

Even in the far future the AK is still there

[tall echo]

Well, you're bringing it over from the past

[upbeat glacier]

Which begs the question how we get ammo for it

[lunar island]

What's up

[upbeat glacier]

Unless the grineer use the 7.62x39mm

[tall echo]

There is only generic rifle ammo

[tall echo]

The sky, hopefully

[graceful swan]

All Warframe stuff uses the same ammo

[tall echo]

Not exactly the same, there's a few ammo types

[graceful swan]

Maybe not the RPG

[upbeat glacier]

I want the RPG as a regular weapon

[graceful swan]

Same

[tall echo]

I don't

It'd be terrible

[upbeat glacier]

But big boom

Plus it be funny

[tall echo]

Zarr

Zarr also sounds funnier when firing

[upbeat glacier]

You do have to admit the scene with that scaldra chasing us was fun with the RPG

[tall echo]

"That scaldra" was major neci rusalka

[upbeat glacier]

I'm still salty we can't romance her

[tall echo]

I would not romance her

Normally

[upbeat glacier]

I would

10/10

[tall echo]

I would however romance her CDProjectRED style

[upbeat glacier]

Eh?

[tall echo]

:)

[upbeat glacier]

Also have you watched AOT?

Asking because I wonder if a Warframe could stop the rumbling

[lean garden]

Slap an orokin reactor reward on it and it will be done in a day

[strange turtle]

Helminth when a Kavat enters the room

(Yes I know they actually like each other but this is funnier)

[tall echo]

The image isn't loading for me and discord is just displaying that sad poop emoji thing

[strange turtle]

For some reason for me it’s just looping the start of the gif, even in my photos, but it’s that one meme of a guy coming out the casket and another getting scared

Wrestling thing

[tall echo]

Oh the WWE thing

[strange turtle]

Just search Randy Orton Undertaker on tenor

[strange turtle]

Yeah that one

[strange turtle]

https://tenor.com/view/undertaker-gif-18984926

[tall echo]

Does pc discord not get the gif search

[upbeat glacier]

Who is that

[strange turtle]

I’m on mobile I just call the gif bit tenor since that’s what discord uses

[tall echo]

Why do you save gifs

[strange turtle]

The Undertaker and Randy Orton, WWE people

[strange turtle]

I don’t normally but usually Loid glasses the embed gifs I’ve posted here

[old dome]

undertaker & randy orton, back in... i think 2005-2007?? in wwe.

i think it was in survivor series too...

[nimble finch]

ELITE

[feral cape]

People age slower in the future

[feral cape]

I found it pretty clear like most immortalities in fiction it's imperfect and some things could kill you

[tall echo]

Yeah but what can kill a tenno?

Like did we only survive tnw because ballas was stupid or can a tenno survive mortal wounds?

It is necessary knowledge in case of emergency

[chilly iron]

I'm sure if we got caught outside our warframe with no aid we would squish as easily as any human

[tall echo]

Tenno being able to die from mortal wounds is sorta supported by the player never actually going down to 0 health in operator mode

It stops at iirc 2

[graceful swan]

Aren’t we not actually there when we are there?

[tall echo]

Pretty sure we are

[graceful swan]

Isn’t it just us astral projecting or something like that

[tall echo]

Like, how would a pure projection be able to deal and take damage

[chilly iron]

Void shenanigans

[tall echo]

There's also the fact that ballas stabbed the operator and threw them into the void during tnw

[chilly iron]

That's a good question though, we know we're not in in a warframe, and our body is in the chair
So that can't be us out and about

[tall echo]

It can

It is shown that tenno are capable of teleporting

[chilly iron]

Do we need to use the warframe as a medium for teleportation?

[lament stirrup]

Yes. Thats explicitly what happens in the War Within.

[chilly iron]

Gotcha...
Ok it still stands then. Catch a Tenno outside their frame and keep them separated from it and we could still be squished

[lament stirrup]

Yeah, thats what nearly happens in the Second Dream. The Operators transference link is on the fritz, so stalker has the opportunity to murder them.
He only opts not to because the Operator is only a child, and because he's only just realising he used to be human.

[fathom elbow]

nihil isnt one of the 7 right?

[lament stirrup]

He is. He was the executioner/glassmaker.

[drifting mirage]

Until we learned to be our own Transference again, yes

[pure fox]

I think the idea is that the void protects us from death since we essentially jump timelines. Kinda like how we get kicked back into the warframe whenever we "die" as operator or drifter. I don't think it's so much that we can never be killed so much that we're just too slippery on a metaphysical level TO kill

[lean garden]

essentially jump timelines
But we dont tho?

If we jump timelines then ballas was surprisingly ineffectual in getting rid of us

If this were the case and I were ballas, I wouldnt even bother trapping the tenno in a time loop, I'd just shank them and let them jump to another timeline, I would have removed them from my timeline anyway

[stiff fable]

Yeah, the Operator falling during a story mission is non-canon

[feral cape]

What your describing is still a physical level out immortality is likely related to metaphysical aspects tho

[bold nexus]

how do prime warframes exist/work in the lore?

[feral cape]

How are the tenno immortal

A Tenno possesses a degree of immortality via their Oro, a manifestation of their consciousness:

In the Conclave, Teshin tells us how our Oro is "the binding force for an enemy who, like the Tenno, can survive death." This enemy is the Sentients.

Eleanor, who can see all our memories, tells us she doesn't think we can die—at least, not permanently.

Albrecht Entrati mentions Oro, claiming "It was not necessary to explore queasy debates about the Oro; animal minds simply lacked the full distinction of a singular persona," meaning Oro is a quality possessed by any being with a "singular persona."

This aligns with real-world arguments about animal consciousness, suggesting that Oro is likely a form of consciousness itself.

The Sentients can persist after death by separating their consciousness, or Oro, into fragments, making the death of one fragment not affect the whole.

Eleanor compares the Void to a realm of souls. The Void is also the source of the Tenno's power, which allows them to do "impossible things."

The Drifter, in his conversation with Eleanor, states that "Tenno existence doesn't end when the physical body is destroyed," implying the Tenno utilize a metaphysical aspect to persist after death"

Tenno can separate their Oro from their body, allowing them to persist after death and, presumably, rebuild or reform a body via unknown means, likely involving Void energy.

Killing a Tenno would require the ability to crush their consciousness after death.

[feral cape]

There just the frame but cooler

[pure fox]

That's fascinating. I guess I've been missing out on lore while I was away!

[pure fox]

My understanding is that (at least how it used to be) Prime warframes were the original orokin version of frames, and non-primes are imitations of the original. Others may correct me, as that seems difficult to back up with a lot of the newer frames.

[feral cape]

Some are prime from the start others earned it

[proper barn]

I think the writers domt care about oro anymore its such a old thing.

[graceful swan]

Well they did care enough to mention it again

[proper barn]

ONLY FOR ALBRETCH TO TALK ABOUT HOW DUMB IT IS

But i think the current explantion for like the tenno would be "oh yeah they have void magic"

[silk atlas]

Incorrect! Varzia says as much flat out.

[proper barn]

She says some where some weren't.

[feral cape]

I think this is a wild misinterpretation of what albretch actually said

[proper barn]

he says like "oh people debate about oro being in pets or not idc and my pet is specail"

[feral cape]

"It was not necessary to explore queasy debates about oro, animal minds simply lacked the distinction of a singular persona"

Mind you the animals now posses a singular persona there a who now not a what

[proper barn]

He also says his Cat has one

cuz he really likes his cat

[feral cape]

Well his cat does seem incredibly intelligent

[graceful swan]

His cat also got sick then wasn’t sick

[feral cape]

Also he did something to his cat

[proper barn]

DID HE?

[proper barn]

THEN IF ANY ANIMAL CAN DO THAT THEY ALL HAVE IT i am tackling you.

[feral cape]

Yea?

[graceful swan]

Yeah Loid doesn’t know if he just cloned her or not

[proper barn]

then oro debates are stupid that's the point of what Albretch said. like oro debates are dumb.

[graceful swan]

They really are

[feral cape]

It was simply unnecessary for albretch to engage with them regarding his experiments because the animals simply don't meet the requirements to have one

[feral cape]

Loid is very suspicious of albretch doing something weird to cure kalymos

[graceful swan]

I think it was a joke lol

[feral cape]

Its like if me and you are talking about a new Toyota that came out and you bring up arguments about a diesel engine despite a Toyota usingna gasoline engine

Im not dismissing the existence of a diesel engine I'm just gonna tell you I don't care to talk about a diesel engine

Because why should I the Toyota has a gasoline one

[north ferry]

What the heck is Oro?

Oh also, the quills kinda just aren't relevant either. Unless Al's behind then too.

[strange turtle]

#lore-discussion message

[north ferry]

Well

I love random lore stuff that is never really exposed to the player being so pivotal to the lore.
He I was thinking I was being smart and thinking when I came up with the same concept on my own.
F me right.

[candid elm]

Kinda hope they get some more lime light after our current void arc

Like with how we might be going to tau later on? Maybe they could help us?

[tall echo]

Pivotal is a very generous way to say completely irrelevant

[tall echo]

The quills mostly work "behind the scenes"

The fact that we have a direct contact to them is a very rare exception out of necessity

[north ferry]

Whatever. I should just not think at all. It's how the games meant to be experienced.

[tall echo]

Nah

[visual ermine]

DE designed hundreds of tiny caves and crannies throughout their game to hide random details in. They want us to overthink things.

[graceful swan]

They designed caves that are easy to get lost in

[silk atlas]

I wouldn't even say that, people just sit in the cave when there's the one in and out.

"How far in the future is Warframe?"
"Far enough all remnants of what we would consider our current modern society don't matter."
Boom, done.

[feral cape]

Oro in and on of itself is mostly irrelevant I'm simply pinning a name to the source of tenno immortality that exists in warframe

It was the first indication we might be immortality

[upbeat glacier]

Lore wise

How bloody is the grineer corpus war

[lament stirrup]

Strictly speaking, the context Oro appears in suggests its the source of Warframe (and possibly Orokin) resurection.

[gusty trail]

can anybody tell me what are those two? are they gigantic frames? are they creatures that live in the "indifference" or "void" or are they the "Indifference" it self?

[lament stirrup]

They're the Vessels Albrecht asks you to maintain.

Them and all the other giant men and women around the labs. You can get lore fragments on their creation from killing the Whisper minibosses (or the wiki)

[gusty trail]

hum... that only make me more confused about the end of that jurney...
So the "Attacking" one was being controlled by what? and how the memory of Affection could stop it? some times that game becomes to esoteric for my brain lol

[lament stirrup]

The attacking Vessel was controlled by the Man In The Wall. It feeds off negative emotions, so positive emotions ward it off. Context clues around the Zariman Incident also imply the vessels somehow amplified the effects love had.

[feral cape]

Given what we learn of the tenno we can infer it also applies to them

[river tangle]

i don't like where this is going that master teasonai kinda disliked the business for what the business doing somehow

or maybe he just misread the business' intention of building sanctuary thing

[brittle siren]

When did he state he dislike Business?

[brittle siren]

That make me thinking
When Wally make all the parents gone crazy, does he did it for fun, or because he need negative emotion so he can get stronger and closer getting his finger back?

[lament stirrup]

I'm inclined to say he drove them insane because he found their love for their children repulsive.
Plus he needed the children isolated and vulnerable to make a deal with one of them(I think?)

[north ferry]

A KIM conversation implies it was an experiment. But that's somewhat dependent on the Drifter's perspective on it.

[glacial bough]

Drifter see it as Wally's fault, semi backed up by Rell's thought's in his comic

Though we know the Void causes insanity by default

[river tangle]

maybe something like

The Business has no stomach for the population control necessary in maintaining a balanced ecosystem. I fear for whatever sanctuary he is building

[plush phoenix]

guessing this is about teasonai, i (conservation fanatic) dont think he dislikes him since he has a line thats basically like "i disagree with the business about a lot of things but somehow i can't help but find his ideas compelling"

idk i love all 3 conservation guys

[stiff fable]

Hundreds of thousands of rank-and-file Corpus and Grineer die every day. Both sides are fighting over planets, and have cloning facilities

[north jolt]

Oro-ou glad I didn't make a deez joke

[restive river]

The corpus its less cloning and more. Breeding
Right?
Also proxy factories ig

[stiff fable]

They do use clones too

Purpose-bred soldiers and workers

[sly pagoda]

Hence the forming of a paradox when the Tenno is killed in TNW, Their physical and non physical forms fall into the void before enough death has set it into trigger their reset. The thing is their self reset visually seems to drop them into the void for a moment. I like to see it as since they are into the void already where do they drop to for that reset and this causes to use a linux term, causes spacetime to suffer a Kernel Panic or in windows a BSOD.

[azure coral]

I only JUST connected the dots for ballas' speech in the sacrifice quest

and it was only when I remembered watching my friend play the duviri quest and heard teshin say "let your mind adjust to the dissociation" that I noticed transference is an incredibly dissociative experience, its not just possession, we're pushing their consciousness back and driving their body, the tenno adopts the memories and identity of what they inhabit

"...it was that somewhere, inside that derelict horror, they had learned to see inside an ugly, broken thing,-and take away it's pain."

it's not just the physical pain from being a warframe, it is the emotional pain from their past, we become them, we literally shoulder their emotional burdens in their stead whenever we use transference

[lean garden]

For added context of how the mental handshake goes down, check out the jade memory feathers behind teshin in any relay

[spice spade]

I still think the Paracesis had the power to channel the Void and loop all possible timeline versions.
Drifter got stabbed during his usual loops through Duviri, they felt it. Then Lotus's hand came after.

Drifter is pretty real evidence that there are alternate timelines that exist.

Drifter and the Operator are the same, they're just from a divergent timeline. The timeline where they were never saved.

It's just that, through normal means, these timelines never have a chance to interact through each other unless through Void McGuffin shenanigans.

[tall echo]

There has never been doubt that other timelines exist, they're just inaccessible. Drifter bypasses that issue by never leaving the void until tnw, where time is a suggestion at best anyways

[spice spade]

I mean, in Lotus Eaters, the Operator and Drifter are clearly together, side by side.

[tall echo]

Drifter only feels the stab during the loop we play during he quest though

[tall echo]

In the void

They can exist at the same time in the void, but not outside of it

[spice spade]

The Sanctum Anatomica is connected to Deimos via the stairs, though.

[tall echo]

Yes, but it's also heavily fused into the void

[strange plinth]

yes, but the sanctum is also very connected to the void

[tall echo]

All the grey stone bits are from wally's void

[spice spade]

I mean, the very fact that a lot of the gameplay mechanics are also canon, and you can use either the Drifter and Operator in the open world.
And in the New War quest, he has his own Camp and affected the real world until the handshake between them and the Operator.

In which the Operator and Drifter can seemingly swap places at any point.

[tall echo]

I think you're misinterpreting some stuff I'm saying

[spice spade]

I might be, I don't have good communication skills because of my Autism.

[tall echo]

So do I

[spice spade]

Like, Drifter is physical.

[tall echo]

A conversation between 'tism can either go really well or incredibly poorly

[spice spade]

yeah, true.

Like the last time I was getting very frustrated and I just had a meltdown.

[tall echo]

I corrected my earlier message, drifter never left the void until tnw

[spice spade]

Gotcha.

[tall echo]

Can't have issues with jumping into a different reality from your own when you don't have an own reality, after all

[spice spade]

I mean...Drifter is just a different version of the Operator, his sorta whole reality still exists, it's just that his deal with Wally him caused to be left behind.

[tall echo]

Drifter and op still need to be in the void to coexist, but they can swap outside of it since they both occupy the same place in the same reality since the tnw handshake in a way

[spice spade]

He was just stranded alone in his Zariman ship, and Duviri was his escape thru CE.
I mostly think reality sees Drifter and Operator as the same person, paradoxically.

They're technically the same person.

[tall echo]

Like their "void silhouettes" as quinn calls them are always present next to each other

[spice spade]

Yonta also mentions that there are "Misfit Realities" that exist in the Void.

Realities that are just wholly chaotic and nonsense.

or, exist thru the Void?

and Yonta also says that we embody Eternalism

"This place is like an embassy. Playing host to misfit realities that were never chosen."

"The hours I spent struggling to understand Eternalism, and here you are, embodying it."

huh, she also says something interesting
"Somewhere there's a version of me who stayed behind on Lua, and I hate her."

[drifting mirage]

Yeah, regardless of which of "us" is standing in front of her, there are literally two of "us" where the big thing is if Wally saved us.

[spice spade]

I still strongly believe there are multiple realities/timelines/universes/whatever term fit the best that exist in the Warframe universe.

The Void being just the space inbetween the mess of all that.

[drifting mirage]

That's confirmed several ways, yes. We're based in the Operator's reality.

[tall echo]

Wf eternalism is just split timeline theory badly explained using real life eternalism

[spice spade]

Wally purposefully didn't save the Drifter.

[drifting mirage]

Correct

[spice spade]

True, and it makes trying to talk about it very hard.

[drifting mirage]

Drifter is basically a visitor to this timeline which is what makes 1999 so cozy

[spice spade]

except the theory of Eternalism is kinda proven real because of the whole Drifter/Operator being able to sit down and talk to each other.

[tall echo]

There are still people trying to defend DE's decision to call it eternalism when it objectively just makes it harder for people to understand

[spice spade]

and the Operator just goes

It uses the name of Eternalism, but does not contain the actual concepts of what the real life theory implies.

[drifting mirage]

I just think it's funny that they managed to throw Schrodinger's cat (parents) into the explanation

[spice spade]

"Her Parents are Alive, her Parents are Dead."

[drifting mirage]

Because quantum states are related but it does confuse the explanation on the surface level

[tall echo]

"Schrödinger's cat parents" has given me three joke ideas and none of them are good enough to say

[spice spade]

It just implies as there is a split in the timeline as soon as she makes either choice.
A timeline where her mom is saved, and the other where her dad is saved.

[tall echo]

Disappointing

I really hit peak joke two days ago

And only two people could ever witness it

[spice spade]

I bet DE's lil "Morality Compass" thing is just a nod to what kinda Eternalism Operator we are.

[tall echo]

The dial just shows how much we think before we act

Do I still have it...

[spice spade]

like in the Nidus quest, I think we had a choice to tell the Myconian child for what they should do.

[tall echo]

"Three are the principles,
three the weaving ways.

Cool water flows,
the moon behind a cloud;
To the receptive mind
All things come in time.

Sun at mid-heaven,
Sovereign above all;
Mind in firm action
Commits without reflecting.

Between sun and moon
Unfolds a winding path;
Not by one Way alone
Is Mastery achieved.

Let me explain, Child. The words I speak to you have purpose. The choices you've been forced to make have not attuned you to 'good' nor 'evil', but to older, less subjective principles. You must find comfort in your choices, for your enemies will provide you none. The road ahead will be one that requires more choices of you, Child. Be ready."

[spice spade]

I see I see

does what we say to the Myconian child change what they do?

[graceful swan]

The dial was a thing before we even knew what Eternalism was and DE said it doesn’t really mean anything important

[tall echo]

Yes

[spice spade]

So, there's an ending where they die for their people? I haven't done that quest in so long.

[tall echo]

I think there's actually three different final drawings depending on your choice

[spice spade]

I see, I see.

[tall echo]

But it actually has an impact on the colony

[spice spade]

I let them choose their own fate.

[tall echo]

I did that quest on my old acc so long ago, I don't rember what I picked

[spice spade]

fair, fair.

[tall echo]

And I don't hate myself enough to deal with index again

[spice spade]

[tall echo]

Yet

[spice spade]

There's probably a whole branching timeline tree that could be accessed via the Void.
Also was it implied Wally has the power to smother timelines? Or at least deny access to them?

[tall echo]

Wally can have immense control over the void. Every reality is connected to the void

[spice spade]

ye ye, so Wally p much can just hop thru these realities.

[tall echo]

Losing his fingerbones significantly weakened him though

[spice spade]

ye, Fish man said as much.

[tall echo]

He needs the murmur to hop timelines now

Strands of khra and all that

[spice spade]

and the Murmur are like, CE, I think, right?

Conceptual Embodiments

[tall echo]

They're his creations

[spice spade]

his frames of war

[graceful swan]

Probably him cutting body parts off

[tall echo]

More him trying to imitate body parts

[spice spade]

He sure does love hands.

Like almost all Murmur stuff has hands in their designs.

[tall echo]

The murmur are made out of the stone of his void and the same stuff as void angels

Wally is trying to create ZA HANDO

[spice spade]

apparently there's also the Void Song that can turn people into an Angel.

[tall echo]

Not the song directly, and not anyone can turn

[spice spade]

all I remember is one of the Holdfast CE ghosts got turned into one.

[tall echo]

The song draws in people connected to void, and constructs like the holdfasts turn into angels if they "feed" off of the zariman finger

[drifting mirage]

I just realized the void song is the "call of the void" (l'appel du vide)

[spice spade]

the finger is p much just a copy of Wally's
It's also how RJs can jump from point to point very fast.

[tall echo]

"You do not recognize the voices in the song" should be a thing in-universe to warn tenno

[spice spade]

and apparently they can always just, make more copies?

[spice spade]

IRL Dupe method exposed.

[drifting mirage]

Orokin cloning tech probs

[graceful swan]

Lotus casually on a ledge

[tall echo]

Sounds like the french are just trying to claim something intrinsic to humanity

[spice spade]

probably

they had a gene template to mass clone Grineer

huh, so apparently Ayatan Sculptures just contain memories that some Orokin really liked

and Aya, like the currency for Varzia, kinda just contains sequences that contain memory?

[tall echo]

Aya is memory storage, ayatans are memory storage storage

[spice spade]

storage^2

Regal Aya is premium storage B)

I'd imagine you'd need multiple Ayatan Stars to slot into a sculpture for really long, chunky memories

kinda like how some games in the past required you to remove Disc 1 to put in Disc 2 to continue playing the game

[thick cedar]

Fellas

I think Bubonico wasn't originally an arm cannon

It think it was an infested fish

[spice spade]

on the topic of Arm Cannons, I wish we got the Sentient who's arms were just Shedu's

this guy

[solar arrow]

IT'S AN ARM???

~~we just ripped one of these guys' arm off and they still haven't sent black mail ~~

[candid elm]

Screw that I just want more arm cannons

I wanna see a warfrmae with an exalted arm cannon

[restive river]

I could’ve sworn we got an enemy with it but maybe I’m misremembering seeing this concept art on a dev stream

I’d kill for a Murmur arm canon

[spice spade]

we have an enemy that drops the Shedu parts, but not with an enemy who wields the Shedu.
and technically Onos is Murmur, but it's more like a natural Incarnon than Murmur.

so we have 2 natural arm cannons, and 1 incarnon

can't wait to get another Dual Nikana, or Assault Saw weapon.

[restive river]

Infested pizza cutter

[spice spade]

instead of a sawblade it's just an mass of flesh with teeth as the sawblade bits

[restive river]

When I say murmur arm canon I mean a literal Murmur arm that shoots
Not the void altering a funny gun

[spice spade]

fair

[restive river]

Iirc they’ve said there is an infested pizza cutter weapon coming

Which idc how they do it as long as it’s

1. Still a pizza cutter
2. Good

[spice spade]

coda pizzer cutter

would make sense as one of the Coda only weapons.

[restive river]

Yes, I do recall them saying we’re getting that

I will be doing everything in my power to make that weapon good

[spice spade]

we're getting 3 Coda exclusive weapons that don't have a predecessor.

[spice spade]

ye ye

[restive river]

Excited for the Pox too ngl

[spice spade]

Hirudo and Pathocyst seems neat.

[restive river]

I’m excited for the Mire too since since it gave us the original plague year tidbit iirc

[tall echo]

MIRE

[devout verge]

Is there an actual in-game explanation why so many foundry blueprints are single use, or is "Foundry uses Corpus DRM" as good as any?

[silk atlas]

No in-game explanation

[restive river]

The foundry is from the orokin era iirc
But no in game explanation

[quartz sky]

Idk but memory seems to be a valuable resource so it's possible that the memory stores are unstable. Like a bag USB drive

[raw stone]

Mods I am so sorry uh... how to recoup this mistake...

[devout verge]

Even then, the Corpus has been around since the Orokin era, too.

[raw stone]

:| UH, foundry stuff? Hmn. It might be that maybe... okay it's a high-tech 3D printer right? And if we subtract Ordis from this issue as at his reformatted limit, can successfully make Umbra in 10 seconds flat from a Vitruveum symbiosis and some scans, and the Entrati-made Foundry acting the same way but ultimately under different variables... maybe the BPs are read like punch cards and the bps themselves also include 3d schematics. Someone's gotta watch their Foundry 1 day straight making forma or something.

[restive river]

Idk if the Orokin would’ve fitted us with their tech tho

[normal mountain]

Why not?
We were the Orokin's elite fighting force, after all
before we turned them all into bloody piles of gore, that is

[graceful swan]

Weren’t we in pods 90% of the time and didn’t even have Orbiters till we woke up again

[restive river]

I was talking about the Corpus’ tech
The Orokin def fit us with Orokin tech :p

[restive river]

Would the frames we used not have used them?
It def sounded like we used to use the Orbiter

Like we used to use railjacks too but then we took a big nap and that tech was almost lost aside from wreckages

[graceful swan]

Frame maybe

[devout verge]

Afaik, Ordis' lost memories literally include Ballas introducing us to him ("This is your Operator. You love them.")
Which implies that at least some operators had designated orbiters with cephalons during the Orokin era. The foundry module might have been added after the rebellion, but could also have been part of the default equipment.

Hmm. Protea Prime was made especially for Parvos, by Ballas, "as part of an undisclosed deal he made with the Orokin" (going by the wiki here).
My (entirely unsuported, but also not actually contradicted) headcanon is now that said deal was supplying Corpus Foundries to Tenno orbiters.

[proper barn]

The hema is what I'm excited for.

[proper barn]

Parvos is also In the prime trailer for her.

[proper barn]

The foundry for the orbiter is actually a Orokin specialty device that has special properties for Infested stuff.

As a explanation for how we make warframes. We aren't stealing Jerry the ostron every time we make a new frame.

[restive river]

^^^

[restive river]

We’re cloning infested flesh with the synapses of the human that was originally used also being cloned, which mostly just results in us taking on their mannerisms AKA idle anims

[proper barn]

Yeah

[drifting mirage]

-# neurospicy stims are genetic according to Warframe hurhur

[proper barn]

I know this is a joke but also I don't think so.

[restive river]

I was about to say the same thing lol

It’s less genetic and more an imprint of the brain being copied

[tall echo]

Neurowhat?

[drifting mirage]

the odds of them having whole-brain scans of these nerds vs having genetic samples they clone from are negligible, imo.

[silk atlas]

Neurodivergent

[drifting mirage]

but yes, it was a joke.

[proper barn]

We are cloning Infested remnants.

[restive river]

^^^

[proper barn]

I feel like we aren't using Nomral logic here.

[restive river]

Like we are cloning them from blueprints not genetic samples

[drifting mirage]

do we have much detail as to what those blueprints are other than game mechanics?

[graceful swan]

Is any logic normal in Warframe?

[restive river]

The blueprint includes that brain mapping as it’s part of the frame.

[restive river]

Blueprints of the frame, instructions on how to build them
See Umbra who we literally scan and rebuild from those scans with that burning memory in tact. We didn’t take a sample, we scanned.

[drifting mirage]

yes, I saw that. which is wild to me.

becuase like. unless they have something like their blueprints built in, why would a scan be able to synthesize them?

[restive river]

Idk, we have really good scanners

[drifting mirage]

I'm also now imagining helminth just vomiting up infested flesh as raw material for the foundry and this is not appealing.

[restive river]

I’m not gonna pretend to know how like
Simaris’ tech works
But we clearly have good enough scanners that we can scan the remnants of a Warframe and 3D print it in it’s entirety

[drifting mirage]

because we input the strangest combinations of materials assuming that the foundry supplies the rest.

[restive river]

It sounds like the foundry can just replicate infested flesh without issue, I don’t think we know how it gets those resources exactly aside from what we provide

Helninth specifically is in charge of the bios of the ship, repairing and altering our frames

[restive river]

What we supply may be what the foundry cannot replicate

[errant fog]

Fellas I haven’t played in like 1-2 years and forgot most of the lore. Any recap video / series you would recommend?

[quartz sky]

Lmao

[silk atlas]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ekJpbdRz4Y&list=PLBxXlAPH_QsNoTHHjW9LBiw9JzWzDHjI0&index=56&t=48s

[proper barn]

Seal linked a good video hit if you have specific questions or clarifications we can answer them.

[errant fog]

It seems good, but the enunciation makes it near unwatchable sadly

[proper barn]

Lmao

https://youtu.be/pqSn4D8ZoRY?si=-1rDD9-bEvPx92zr

?

[cosmic ridge]

When are they dropping again

[errant fog]

Much better I can understand what he's saying now lmao

[proper barn]

We don't know.

[restive river]

We maybe find out on the devstream next week.

[proper barn]

Soon probably.

[restive river]

February

[proper barn]

Yeah

[cosmic ridge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/980160940966301747.gif?size=48&quality=lossless&name=tenseSmash

[restive river]

Probably with star days tbh

[proper barn]

Probably before the end of Feb.

[proper barn]

Well we told you the truth lmao.

[solid gull]

Are we supposed to know Teshin before he tunes in in Natah quest? Or our Tenno just ready to believe anyone who can speak confidently? It was very strange for me, that moment communications cut some strange man calls me and my Tenno be like "sure, bud, let's go wreck Tyl Regor"

[fleet vale]

I've been wondering, are The Techrot Liches the members of On-Lyne after they were infected with The Techrot?

[silk atlas]

No, clones were made

[fleet vale]

Elaborate?

[silk atlas]

What is there to elaborate on? Higher ups wanted work mules, so they made Techrot copies of the band members.

[fleet vale]

Higher ups? Like their managers?

[normal mountain]

Should have unionized, I guess

[restive river]

I actually found out Scaldra had a hand in it too

[north ferry]

It's a bit weird that he does just show up. That's not unusual for most quests though. She not we don't need to know him, but potentially could have for players to be familiar with him from events or conclave.

[drifting mirage]

Uncle Teshin is in charge of conclave, the eternally dead PvP game mode

[restive river]

And steel path

Where he apparently tells the enemy we’re coming so they can actually prepare

[north ferry]

I mean, I don't think you can hit steel path without having already done the quest soo...

[restive river]

Well yeah

It is one thing he was in charge of tho
But now by the time you get there I’m pretty sure his hologram takes over

Which ig means he automated the process of alarming our enemies just in case :p
or maybe Varzia set it up

[woven coyote]

yeah but you can meet him as soon as earth as long as you explore a bit
all you need to meet teshin is simply go to strata relay and explore or look through the fast travel options

as Rhea said he is also in charge of conclave

[drifting mirage]

I am always sad to see the hologram though

[restive river]

Apparently he’s trapped in Duviri 😔

Maybe one day we’ll get uncle teshin out (probably not, he’s needed there ig)

[drifting mirage]

I feel like Duviri may be keeping him alive but I am fuzzy on that

[restive river]

It isn’t afaik, he was just healed by the duvirians iirc

Specifically the joy courtier who’s name presently escapes me

I think we just know he is trapped but not like
Why

[gray sapphire]

i'm usually very much a lurker here, but speaking of duviri, i had a question about its lore that i just have not been able to find the answer to! clearly we have the five main consorts representing their five emotions, but i had the vaguest memory that some of the other duviri citizens represented some emotions, too - acrithis for curiosity, the prisoner for optimism, koral for compassion, etc. i can not remember if this was actually mentioned somewhere or if i just dreamt it up, but i'm hoping someone here might have a keener memory than me! (don't let me derail the teshin train of thought, though lol! but yeah, you're right! mathila did help him out when he first crashed in duviri!)

[restive river]

I recall SocraTetris commenting on just that concept in his analysis of Duviri (which was phenomenal up until he got to his theories)
Afaik it’s not something that’s directly stated anywhere, def more of a fun theory/observation as there are no spirals for those other “moods”

[upbeat glacier]

Is there a reason baro whenever his name appears it's red like he's an enemy

Is there some missing lore

[gray sapphire]

oh that's right! honestly the deeper you get into the lore the more hit or miss the theories are! thanks, though, oh my gosh. it's been bothering me for ages but at least i know it's been pointed out before - i appreciate it! 😄

[primal beacon]

it's said that xaku is made of 3 frames, ngl if I had to guess I'd say those three frames where atlas mirage and qorvex. what do yall think xaku is made of?

[lean garden]

3 frames that are lost to us, ergo none that we know of

Xaku shares a grand total of 0 designs with the other 58 warframes

[lean garden]

Originally duviri had more than 5 spirals planned, this however never made it to the game. Theres a few devstreams/tennocons where they talk about ut

[restive river]

Like Bau said, the frames they’re composed of were lost
Too many frames were lost during the entrati void expeditions to know

[primal beacon]

I'm going off abilities

[restive river]

Technically Calm exists during the quest and in captura but that’s it
No associated courtier either afaik

[restive river]

They don’t share any abilities with any other frames.

[primal beacon]

The lost's three abilities are very similar to jade, atlas name wise, and one that we don't have

[restive river]

Their 1 seems to reference the truth of Warframes, that being void powered infested drones
Their 2 is just them using the void to snatch guns
Their 3 is the actual lost abilities and none of them are like any other ability, aside from deny ig cause it’s judt a beam and to an extent accuse since it mind controls enemies (though iirc it’s visuals are somewhat similar to a void fissure? I’d have to check again) with gaze being unlike any other ability
Lastly their 4 is also wholly unique since no frame, other than Chroma to an extent, rips off their skin.

[restive river]

In what way are they similar exactly?

Also again, the frames were lost during void expeditions

[primal beacon]

head canon ;P

[restive river]

That’s not a headcanon.

[primal beacon]

no I'm saying my head canon is that xaku is just reminants of atlas jade and another

[restive river]

Ah

I mean
That headcanon doesn’t really work just cause Atlas wasn’t lost and Jade didn’t participate in void expeditions to our knowledge
But it’s a headcanon so go off ig

[primal beacon]

accuse seems like an ability jade should have going of her kit. gaze sounds like ore gaze which made me think atlas. and accuse

[primal beacon]

if we can clone warframes now, I'm sure that entrati or the orokin could as well

[restive river]

I don’t recall the mechanics of gaze and ore gaze being similar

[primal beacon]

no it just sounds similar

[restive river]

They most definitely could but a key details about Xaku is the frames were lost

[primal beacon]

I'd like to see what the lost frames were tbh, including the ones from ivara's codex

[restive river]

So gyre and caliban are related too cause caliban has razor gyre?

[primal beacon]

ey man, it's a head canon, even I don't want to think abt it

[restive river]

Many things in Warframe have similar names, it doesn’t always and from what I’ve noticed most often does not mean they are connected

Like I wish the Sirocco gun and the Sirocco kavat armor were connected, Wisp having a link to Duviri would be cool

[primal beacon]

I've always wondered why the void re-creates our frames while in duviri

like, if it takes thoughts from the imagination, then why are there frames that the drifter has never seen or used?

how does the void know what mods to attatch to the frames

[restive river]

The frames and weapons are from the Operator iirc

[primal beacon]

how come revenant and xaku were both void entangled frames, yet only xaku got powers from lost frames?

[restive river]

The paradox of us helping our alt self so they can save us

[primal beacon]

operator never touched ash, how am I getting ash?

[restive river]

Because Revenant isn’t a void entangled frame?

[restive river]

Idk they knew of ash? There’s an extent to that that’s also just gameplay mechanics

[primal beacon]

got pulled into a hydrlyst or smth no?

[restive river]

There’s also the mystery of the alt stalker in zduviri

[visual ermine]

Mods are at best a gameplay abstraction of the concept of tinkering

[restive river]

That’s a sentient, not void entanglement

[primal beacon]

ah, mb

[restive river]

The most revenant has to do with the void is that the prime made it paradoxically before revenant came to be
As he was a different frame before his sentient incident

[primal beacon]

how come caliban IS a sentient warframe, yet has no sentience?

[restive river]

Idk, Erra couldn’t make it work ig

Also if you played the sacrifice you know why they scrapped making frames sapient

[primal beacon]

ik

[restive river]

caliban is like half sentient though, though more in tech than in having sapience

[primal beacon]

but like, a frame of sentience isn't sentient

[restive river]

The sentients are AI

There’s the “species” sentient and the concept of being sentient
Caliban is half sentient, the “species” and lacks sentience the concept

[primal beacon]

sentient means a living organism that can't reproduce

[restive river]

We don’t know if the original had sapience cause he got no lore other than his dad is Erra ig

[restive river]

What???
The sentients are a robotic AI capable of adaptation and can mostly certainly reproduce unless exposed to the void.

[primal beacon]

who was piloting chroma during the new strange quest?

[restive river]

Iirc it was a sentient but it’s been a while

I can go check if you want

[primal beacon]

Sentient: "capable of sensing or feeling : conscious of or responsive to the sensations of seeing, hearing, feeling, tasting, or smelling" Merriam Webster Dictonary

[feral cape]

Weird device

[restive river]

I know what being sentient is
Did you just miss that the sentients are a thing in Warframe?

[primal beacon]

I don't really want to repeat the quest

[restive river]

Like it’s an entire faction

[primal beacon]

no I get it

[restive river]

I was gonna look on the archives but ok

[feral cape]

The sentients are a faction of sentient ai

[restive river]

I don’t understand the problem then

[primal beacon]

I always thought it just ment a living organism without reproducion

[restive river]

No.

[primal beacon]

I proved myself wrong

[primal beacon]

ik that now

[feral cape]

Cheese

[primal beacon]

yes?

[feral cape]

Are you sentient

[primal beacon]

no

[restive river]

[feral cape]

I

[visual ermine]

Out turing tested you. No sentient would answer that question in such a way.

[primal beacon]

I don't exist, yall are jsut schizophrenic

to much wf

anyway, thx for the help

ik it was a bit much but thx

[north ferry]

Also, when talking about warframe Sentients, it probably helps to include the capital even if technically grammatically wrong.

[austere cedar]

How old would the hex team be? And our Drifter?

My guess is the hex are in their 30s but I'm not sure if there's any indication otherwise

[sly pagoda]

Amir I would figure in his 20s

just because he mentions being on an internship at the power plant. Just seems like something someone not long out of college would do

[austere cedar]

Fair. I think another issue I come across regarding age is that battle ages you. They could all very well be in their 20s

Eleanor seems more 30s regardless tho

Not to mention stressed out and infected lol

[sly pagoda]

Arthur could be late 30s, maybe greying from stress.

and helminth

[upbeat glacier]

Does anyone know why baro is red?

His name whenever he talks is red like he's a enemy when everyone else is blue

[stiff fable]

Capitalism

[abstract ridge]

No no no, if his name had a color connection to capitalism it'd be the same color as an ally's name. His name is red because he became a certified e-opp after bringing you on that stupid inaros quest

[raw stone]

I'm actually sure that Arthur and Eleanor both dyed their hair silver. Maybe. Their streaks match though.

[austere cedar]

Why do you think this? Just curious

I am a pretty young brunette individual and I have naturally occurring white hairs because of my genetics on my mom's side.

The Irish also messes things up with some red hues. My brother's beard is quite colorful for this reason lol

I can see them dyeing their hair in solidarity of each other, though. They seem to have a very good sibling relationship.

[tacit carbon]

I have absolutely NOTHING to back this up from the game or anything, but in my head I've decided that the process good ol Alby put them through artifically whitened/greyed some of their hair. kinda like Rogue from X-men, but related to the 'becoming a protoframe' rather than 'my life force was nearly drained by magneto'

[lean garden]

Its possible for folks hair to turn grey in some areas because of stress, and well, protoframes do undergo a metric ton of stress

[tacit carbon]

I know, that's just my head cannon for now. my MIL started to grey at 18 because of genetics. Definitely a thing

[austere cedar]

The amount of white in their hair tells me it's not stress induced

And the way it's patterned

[lean garden]

Really? Cuz like Ive seen varying kinds of stress induced white hair

Like random strands to localised in one area

[austere cedar]

Their hair is very uniformly shaded to me

[lean garden]

(Speaks to how stress my society)

[austere cedar]

Idk I'm use to seeing more random strands

I'm more on the side that they occurred naturally though

Idk idk

Clearly Aoi's hair is natural /s

[tacit carbon]

I guess I just figured since they're twins, if it's somehow related to the process Albrecht put them through and fiddling with genome nonsense maybe they're just extra susceptible to the pigment loss compared to the other Hex'd. but that's just me personally, either way they look pretty dang cool

[austere cedar]

I like that idea

Doesn't the comic show them with that hair before their transformation though?

[tacit carbon]

I doooooooooo believe it shows them that way prior to the final injection of whatever lovely Albrecht Special Soup

[austere cedar]

hm hm hm

inch resting

[tacit carbon]

do we have any idea what exactly he did to begin with? other than a pseudo vaccine program for civvies? maybe there was a bit of an extra process he used for them specifically? I dont have those answers but I'm curious....if the answers dont exist I'm not tooo bothered, they may show up in time

[austere cedar]

^same if anyone knows

[lean garden]

What he exactly did? Not really. His vaccinations with the techrot technically fulfilled part of the functionality for vaccines, since those who had it werent exhibiting symptoms (although everyone else would get infectez)

[devout verge]

I'm actually sure that Arthur and Eleanor both dyed their hair silver. Maybe. Their streaks match though.
Grey hair can show up for a lot of reasons, but the way it appears - in clear, separated streaks rather than sprinkled throughout - on the two seems artificial. Which could be dying, could be protoframe transformation, but is probably just "it looks cool and the designers didn't think further".

Like, I have that one spot on my head where my hair grows grey, but that's because it's scar tissue. (Yes, I fell on my head as a child.)

[raw stone]

The reason I say dyeing is because Eleanor mentions in a few conversations that Arthur and her used to be much closer as sibilings until being protoframed

I won't spoil anything, but Arthur used to wear makeup and Eleanor is confirmed big sister of the two

[lean garden]

Well, you do see their birthdays on the calendar

[raw stone]

True but that could be also gameplay limitations

[lean garden]

I'll need to check the Kim texts, there might be a mention of them being twins. Ive only heard down the grapevine that this is so

[raw stone]

Only thing we don't exactly know is their year of birth... which would really help

Same. Did you reset by chance, Bau?

[mental tartan]

It's mentioned that she's older by one of the two by just a few minutes.

[lean garden]

Niope. Im not restarting my Aoi journey

I Can just use the kimulacrum

[lean garden]

Tadaaaaaaa

[mental tartan]

I wanna say it was one of my birthday texts to one of them in the last rotation it was mentioned in.

[tacit carbon]

Arthur mentions that she's 2 minutes older and he hates how she acts high and mighty about it. being the 'little brother' is a bit of a nerve I think

[raw stone]

The kimulacrum?

[lean garden]

Type kimulacrum in verbatim into your search bar

[raw stone]

Oh... no thanks

I did search it but I want to experience these convos myself before I search the expository

[tall echo]

All variations?

[raw stone]

When I am content with seeing all convos for myself, no.

[arctic geyser]

Is warframe gonna continue with protoframes, I want a warframe that’s literally just a protoframe

Also what are protoframes fr, could there be a protoframe that was born instead of getting infected or whatever it is

[tall echo]

[graceful swan]

Warframes can't get pregnant so they would need to be pregnant beforehand Eleanor does say if she had a baby it might eat her

[graceful swan]

Protoframes are Warframes

[tall echo]

But only partially transformed due to albrecht doing something

[graceful swan]

Yeah

[tall echo]

1. Yes
2. There can't be a warframe that's just a protoframe

[arctic geyser]

That lowkey sounds painful in a way

[graceful swan]

You should see Eleanor

Becoming a Warframe in general is painful

[arctic geyser]

Yeah I heard she has to cut her tongue from time to time lol

[graceful swan]

Like part of the Sacrifice does say take away their pain

[arctic geyser]

I wonder if warframes can js gain consciousness like umbra, I heard that was gonna become a thing and hearing rumors about frost umbra lol

[glacial bough]

They can't, and that's not quite what would've happened

And there definitely was no indication of a Frost Umbra

[graceful swan]

Can you talk a little bit more about your Umbra Warframes?

Rebecca: I can. For the foreseeable future, there's only one Umbra, and that's Excalibur. There's an Umbra series of content that came with The Sacrifice, and I don't see us going back to it.

DE don't want more

Excal Umbra was made just to give players a Gold Excal

[arctic geyser]

Lol

[pallid spoke]

Stat-wise he's Excalibur Prime for non-Founders. Prime and Umbra have the exact same base stats.

But he's worse because of his buggy passive that needs you to waste a mod slot to get rid of it.

[tall echo]

It can slot into exilus too so it's not like it's a huge waste

[silk atlas]

but muh PSF

[zinc crown]

what are those blue long handed people

[drifting mirage]

The Orokin?

[graceful swan]

Orokin

[normal mountain]

No, he's worse because Orokin Death Orbs don't give him an energy pulse like they do other Primes
Passive is fine, if you don't like it just don't use it

[tall echo]

The issue is that the passive tends to remove buffs