lore-discussion

[stiff fable]

And the Tenno were all confined to the Reservoir during the Old War

[sudden cave]

depends what ballas told him and how stingy he was with that info

[stiff fable]

Parvos has broken Orokin security before, see: Entrati

Ballas would have kept that secret but Parvos was richer than god

[sudden cave]

mm, true. depends whether he had a reason to look, then, i guess

[stiff fable]

And when you offer a bribe and the other person refuses, it just means you didn't offer enough money

[lament stirrup]

You know Parvos is richer than god because he somehow bribed god into giving him a warframe.

[stiff fable]

Yeah no kidding

[feral cape]

Well i mean ballas was clearly pissed considering entrati was hiding incomprehensible technology

Making protea could've easily been spite

[stiff fable]

God the Orokin must have HATED working with him

[lament stirrup]

"Who is this farm boy and why is he better at manipulating people that most of us?"

[sudden cave]

i think we're kind of trying to kill parvos too? we certainly kill enough of his people and destroy enough of his stuff

[feral cape]

If we get albretch as a guy we can actually talk to im not sure how I think he'd act

[sudden cave]

not real clear on that actually

[stiff fable]

We would if we could but he's safely ensconced in his bunker

[feral cape]

Yea we want to kill parvos

[stiff fable]

Parvos ever getting out of the Void is one of the Tenno's loss conditions

Because a unified Corpus breaks the balance and conquers the Origin System

[sudden cave]

didn't that happen already though??? or how is he blackmailing drusus? and didn't he talk to nef? i'm very vague on a lot of this tbh

[stiff fable]

The other loss conditions are the Grineer curing clone rot, the Sentient Armada reforming, Wally breaking out, or the Infestation taking a planet

[stiff fable]

No he's still locked up in the Granum Void

[feral cape]

Parvos owns the leverian

Which is an odd concept to me

[sudden cave]

i mean, like, logistically speaking

[feral cape]

What exactly is he owning

[stiff fable]

But Nef's experiments let him communicate outside of it now so he's calling in favors and debts and promoting the Sisters of Parvos

[feral cape]

Does he own the legal licensing

Does he like just have the physical server it's stored on

[stiff fable]

It's like the old competing standards joke

[sudden cave]

ahh yeah i didn't get that part

[feral cape]

What if I copy all of the leverian onto a server I own

What happens then

[stiff fable]

There are 12 competing standards. Your company decides to create a new standard that incorporates all the capabilities of those standards.
Result: there are now 13 competing standards

[feral cape]

Can I download a car

[stiff fable]

If Parvos gets out that goes out the window, and we get a unified Corpus under Parvos

[feral cape]

I still need answers to my pondering

[sudden cave]

why did this guy have to name his library after himself. didn't he realize how confusing it would be

[feral cape]

Like is pirating the counter to parvos

[stiff fable]

Yeah it's like the Smithsonian

[feral cape]

Also can I control c a Cephalon

Can I have multiple cephalon cys

Can I jerry rig an automated targeting and navigation system for a railjack

How many cephalon cys is too many

[sudden cave]

afaik drusus borrowed money from parvos to run his museum, which is... also his brain? maybe? and then something something interest rates out the wazoo now parvos is calling to collect for 3 trillion moneys

[stiff fable]

Drusus as far as I can tell turned himself into a Cephalon

[feral cape]

Likely a Suda situation

[sudden cave]

i think there's a copy of him in each railjack, isn't there? same with simaris on the relays

well, they don't network, but aside from that

[stiff fable]

only the Chosen Operator has Cy as a Railjack Cephalon

Like how not every Tenno has Ordis

[sudden cave]

wish i could bring that up to amir

[feral cape]

What determines a cephalons processing power

Like how different are a gen 2 and gen uhhhhhh

5????? I think

What did simaris say

[marble pewter]

I remember Simaris did say something but I forgot the actual words…hmm I gotta check the wiki

[feral cape]

Ordis is a series 2

No know series for others

It has never come up again

Who is your pfp

Is that yuta

[marble pewter]

Yupp

[feral cape]

Awesome sauce

He's my favorite from jjk

His fight with ryu and uro was really cool

[marble pewter]

I have so many favs from jjk

Hmm is your pfp bleach related

[feral cape]

It is

[marble pewter]

I love Bleach

[feral cape]

Me too

Its meninas mcallon sternritter p the power

[marble pewter]

I’ve read the manga so many times but I need to watch the new arc, just haven’t found the time like when I was younger 😭

[feral cape]

Tybw is great there's a bunch of anime only content

And its canon cause kubo made it

[marble pewter]

I’ve heard👀

[feral cape]

Flange are you okay

[visual ermine]

Hold up, Parvos is 100% not locked up in the Granum Void. He tricked us into holding opening an exit for him. By all indications he’s going back and forth wherever he wants.

[feral cape]

Perchance

Idr the quest

[stiff fable]

No, he is

[marble pewter]

Back and forth from the granum void to ..?

[stiff fable]

Watch the Sisters of Parvos reveal, it's taking place inside the Granum Void

[visual ermine]

Yeah. Cause he has access to the tech to go back in,

[stiff fable]

He also never leaves during Deadlock

He's sending Parvos specters through which he uses to take over Nef's fleet

The Tenno goes back into the Granum Void after securing the Xoris, and defeats the Protea Specter

[feral cape]

How many cephalone do i need to cover all of sol

[visual ermine]

He disappears from the void during that sequence

[feral cape]

Surveillance wise

[stiff fable]

no, he doesn't

He's inside the bunker the whole time

Because he entered the Void while his ship was exploding, if he leaves the Void he's going to die

He has to find a way around that; the Granum specters are his first attempt

Also Protea uses Temporal Anchor at the end of Deadlock to make sure we can't break into the bunker, which as a side effect gets rid of all the specters that ever escaped

So yeah Parvos is still safely in the Void

[visual ermine]

I don’t recall this limitation being explained anywhere. Where am I missing that?

[stiff fable]

It's mentioned during the quest

His ship was sabotaged by the Old War board and exploded during... I forget if it was a void jump or solar rail transition

[lean garden]

wait but why does that equate to him dying if he leaves

[stiff fable]

Protea used her time powers to prevent him from dying, but he's still at the moment of the explosion

[lean garden]

its not like if he exits the way someone else comes from he's walking into an explosion

[stiff fable]

I think it could be the other way around, that you're walking on the frozen explosion

[lean garden]

In that case, why would he be in danger from leaving?

[stiff fable]

Because his time is what's stopped

[lean garden]

if he leaves and the explosion continues, how would the explosion hit him?

[feral cape]

Weird time bull

[visual ermine]

I guess it’s not stated outright that he leaves, though I was taking that from him saying goodbye after trapping us in the void, but I don’t think it seems likely to me that he’s trapped rather than just keeping safe.

[feral cape]

I guess eternalism could cause a paracausal event and parvos just explodes for "no reason"

[visual ermine]

We see him out about somewhere during Dante Unbound, don’t we?

[feral cape]

Where he's fated to blow up but protea did her hubabbaloo and his causality froze

But if he leaves it unfreezes and just blows up because

[stiff fable]

No not at all

[feral cape]

Idk

[visual ermine]

In the labs it seems.

[stiff fable]

nope

He's calling in like everyone else

He's still in his Granum Void stateroom

[visual ermine]

just skimmed the trailer, he’s walkin’ in the labs

[stiff fable]

I don't think I'd take anything in the trailers as being canon

[feral cape]

I think that's silly

Imo

[stiff fable]

Like, remember when the New War trailer made it look like you were going to fight the Lotus

And that was a whole cinematic trailer

and it was the second time they showed a different plot for the New War than what actually happened

[feral cape]

Okay but like we got like 4 trailers for new war telling us different stuff

I feel like that's a like very big exception consider the trailers all did something different

There's the 1 Dante unbound trailer

[visual ermine]

I would dearly love to see what’s going on with the board at any rate before long

[stiff fable]

I'm genuinely disappointed that DE decided to move away from the Grineer and Corpus as the major threats

Don't get me wrong 1999 is great, but... Corposium

Something like a sixth of Pluto is a single Corpus city

We could have cyberpunk Warframe open world

[visual ermine]

The stasis in the previous faction storylines is pretty unwieldy to me. There’s a lot of powerful figures perhaps we’re not seeing doing anything

[stiff fable]

Dr. Tengus

The Grineer High Command

[feral cape]

I still want a full quest of trying to break our own fate

[visual ermine]

Also I honestly would like a clear body count on some of those characters just for some closure and maybe continuation cause it feels pretty vague

[feral cape]

With the unum

[stiff fable]

Most of the bosses aren't dead, yeah

[visual ermine]

I’m pretty sure Kela is alive at least, other stuff they’ve been cagey about the chronology so I’m not sure what’s what

[stiff fable]

Alad's definitely alive

So's Nef

[visual ermine]

I believe in Alad above if they don’t show me at least two corpses for him, lol

[stiff fable]

hahaha

[visual ermine]

Heck we canonically didn’t even kill Sprag and Ven’kra. What hope is there any of the grineer high command didn’t just walk off a death or two.

[stiff fable]

yeah that's what I thinking about exactly

[lean garden]

what are you some kind of guardian?

[feral cape]

Tee hee

[hasty eagle]

Oh, more lore I've missed out on.

Please continue.

-# Nevermind, chat is dead.

[lean garden]

-# dead

[restive river]

deader than Ballas after Lotus sucked the juice outta him

[fathom ridge]

The kiss of death

[strange plinth]

is alad not dead?
it seemed fairly definitive to me
though i may not be remembering correctly

[lean garden]

Laser hit Meto's ship, but theres no guarantees that Alad was 1) on that same ship and 2) unable to gtfo

[humble sierra]

Yeah he hasn't had any content since then but there's not much stuff post-NW he could really contribute to

[strange plinth]

fair, i guess
maybe it was just the lack of mention or activity from him that made it more concrete in my mind
but yeah, no confirmation

could've gotten a mention during like
jade shadows maybe? stalker n the corpus conflict quite a bit there
although i guess its more of granum's corpus than the other groups
and i get the feeling that granum could not care less about alad

[wraith coral]

"fur nhame..."

[strange turtle]

Eye’s Up, Surah

[mossy dune]

fortuna

[stiff fable]

Fortuna really isn't cyberpunk

It's more union vs. union buster

[knotty epoch]

Post-1999 hot take / theory: ||I'm betting all my juicy Rivens that our Operator is wally in disguise ever since he came back during The New War. What made me think this is the fact that Entrati doesn't want to extend his life anymore because he's not sure whether it's him or his wally who came back from the void (and also the fact that we were forced to play as Drifter during 1999 - all though that might have been the case because of how horni the whole thing is)||

[lean garden]

can I have your juicy rivens

[knotty epoch]

maybe in 3 years if the operator still hasn't turned evil by then xd

(i only have like 3/4 good rivens lol)

[lean garden]

How will you contend with:

1. Quinn being able to identify both drifter and operator are occupying the same body
2. The fact that despite albrecht's internalised fearmongering, it was most certainly not wally who made it out
3. Wally constantly beefing with us even after TNW

[knotty epoch]

Yeah but essentially, the operator which is the opperator now is the one who came back from void. And we have been warned that who comes back from void won't be the same. They just didn't mention it for the operator at all but did for the lotus - maybe cause we're not supposed to realise it?

[lean garden]

the kids literally left the void armed with space trauma and space magic, does it need to be said we left the void different?

[knotty epoch]

• if I understand it correctly, the wally messing with us is the one created by Albrecht but the operator might have caused the same thing as Albrecht

[knotty epoch]

That was a short interaction during the jump incident. Not a bunch of years during narmer occupation

[lean garden]

We understand wally to be a single entity capable of expressing itself in many shapes at once. The operator is very unlikely to have produced their own wally entity, especially when we already have a wally entity at large

[lean garden]

1. we dont know the exact time frame of the narmer occupation
2. The operator was trapped in a timeloop of their own history, this is vastly different than what albrecht experienced when he fell over into the raw void

[knotty epoch]

what I'm saying is that this might be possible
-> Op was sent to the void
-> During the years the operator has spent there, the void's energy funneled into a consciousness the same way it did with Entrati, forming something similar to the wally.
-> When the Operator came back, it wasn't actually him but the wally 2.0

[lean garden]

-> During the years the operator has spent there, the void's energy funneled into a consciousness the same way it did with Entrati, forming something similar to the wally.
Issue is that this quite unsubstantiated, given that the Operator was holed up in a timeloop

its very different from having your mind opened to the extremely fresh and raw void

and for you to repeat "one short day in the emerald city"™️

[knotty epoch]

I'm sorry, 'unsubstantiated' is a bit too fancy of a word for my foreign ahh vocab

[lean garden]

uuuuuuuh, "not supported"

[knotty epoch]

you mean the Duviri paradox timeloop or?

[lean garden]

no the "flashback" scene in TNW is the timeloop that the operator was experiencing

[knotty epoch]

I gotta look that up. Not sure what you mean.

[lean garden]

The Tenno’s personal timeline has been disrupted. Knowing he cannot kill the Tenno, Ballas has opted to imprison them within their own history. The Tenno will be unable to escape this loop without the paradoxical intervention of an outside force.

Continuing to monitor.
From the Pom-2 in the sanctum

[knotty epoch]

Do you happen to fancy an unrolled Rubico Riven? :d Might be a fair deal after this nice bit of education

[lean garden]

Nah Im good, this is free

[knotty epoch]

:c

Gotta show some appreciation for all the hours you've put in tho

[lean garden]

PlayWarframe

[old dome]

can i have it instead?

[knotty epoch]

Sure. Nobody bought it yet so I might as well

hmu in the evening

[astral sparrow]

Anyone know where in the game this quote is from? "{Looks daggers at you!} Fish thing!"

[lean garden]

Cephalon capture

[lean garden]

https://www.orokinarchives.com/dialogue-cephalon-sark/

[astral sparrow]

Wow someone actually knew that with out wiki... Ohh wait you looked it up cheater

[lean garden]

duh

I gots the internet for a reason

[graceful swan]

Which Bau is more powerful?

[knotty epoch]

Did he just change his pfp or something? :ddd

[lean garden]

Discord bug keeps toggling my pfps

[knotty epoch]

I see

[woven coyote]

First ducky now bau as well

This starting to look like the helminth cyst

[quartz sky]

I saw this on Reddit and it made me laugh (I am actually autistic)

[restive river]

It spreads :)

[feral cape]

You should finalize yourself

NOW

[lean garden]

New rule time

[feral cape]

https://tenor.com/view/destiny2-lightfall-the-witness-darkness-black-fleet-gif-27606723

[feral cape]

That does sound like I'm telling you to die

To clarify i am making a reference to the now dying game destiny 2 in which the end goal of the antagonist is the final shape in which everything is as simple as it could be

[lean garden]

Now dying makes me sad

[feral cape]

Sadly

[restive river]

circle

make it all
circle

[feral cape]

Actually that's like

The opposite

Depending on who you ask a circle has infinite sides as opposed to a triangle which has the least amount of sides

[restive river]

alright fine then
line

get lined

[chilly iron]

Errrrrr...

[restive river]

Lines are simple

[feral cape]

Lines arnt a shape

Well it's a one dimensional shape but we work with 3s

[restive river]

One dimensional shape

Which is simpler

[feral cape]

Also geometric definitions don't count lines

Shapes have to have 2 axis minimum

[restive river]

triangle

simple, stable, elegant

[feral cape]

And the simplest shape in 3 dimensional geometry is a pyramid

[chilly iron]

Wait can a line not exist in 3 dimensions? It can have an x,y, and z location

[feral cape]

A singular line by strick definition is a 1 dimensional shape

"Shape" for lack of better terms

[restive river]

a line only goes in one direction

[feral cape]

For it to have 2 dimensions there has to be another line

[restive river]

add depth to it and it becomes not a line

[feral cape]

3 another

[restive river]

So did the final shape become a pyramid or not

[feral cape]

4 now your pushing it buddy

[restive river]

LMAO

[feral cape]

No because we killed it

But it did fly around hundreds of pyramids

[restive river]

Oh fr?

At least they had pyramids

[chilly iron]

XD
The final shape was going to be everything frozen in a moment in time.
But they did yes

You got one too

[feral cape]

The final shape is alot of things technically

To the hive it was the ultimate form of proving one's worth killing everything until you are all that is left one final axiom
The vex it is subsuming the entire universe
And I don't think the other factions wanted it

[chilly iron]

It should could have ended there... nothing goes forever.

Trying to just starts to cheapen everything that came before. Even Warframe will end someday.

[silk atlas]

The graph is completely wrong because TF2 and MLP are way too low on the "lore" front of it. You're tweeking if you think Undertale has more lore than MLP or Sonic.

[lean garden]

harry potter shouldnt be that high on the list either

almost everything is contained within the books and few games

(and the world building wasnt that deep either, personally downright horrible)

[restive river]

It is downright painful for me to talk about how I dont like the worldbuilding with my parent cause they love harry potter 😭 (hate JK rowling tho)

[quartz sky]

Lines are technically a geometric shape. It's 2 dimensional, just has no width.

But yeah they chose the triangle because it's the simplest more stable shape and leaves no gaps

Not to get into semantics lmao

[feral cape]

Lines arnt 2 dimensional

Lines don't have depth

[restive river]

When’s the final final shape that wants everything to be complex and they show up with a buncha orbs

[graceful swan]

Lines are 1d

[restive river]

You give a line depth and it becomes like
a square, depending on how you do it ig

[quartz sky]

Think of it on an XYZ axis

Lines are just planes viewed from the side

[graceful swan]

They still aren’t 2d

[quartz sky]

Fair I shouldn't have said 2d

But they are geometric shapes in themselves

[restive river]

We perceive lines as two dimensional but they lack the depth of any other shape
They’re 1 dimensional like dots

[graceful swan]

A line is one-dimensional because only one coordinate is needed to specify a point on it. For example, the point at 5 on a number line.

[feral cape]

They also shouldn't have height

[restive river]

That too ye

[feral cape]

Or well okay they should only span a singular dimension

[quartz sky]

This is quite a tangent lmao

[limber pulsar]

if you lack any depth in a dimension, you dont exist in that dimension, so a line is always 1d

[restive river]

a line would have to be the same whether you zoom in or out, no?
Otherwise thats not a line

[restive river]

How do we pull this back to warframe-

[quartz sky]

It depends on whether it's infinite or not

[restive river]

Uh
Uh
Is redline a line?????

[feral cape]

How many dimensions does it take to describe wally

[quartz sky]

Quick before the mods notice, someone talk about kubrows

[restive river]

At least 4

[feral cape]

A good friend who has vanished suggested wally lacks any amount of physical dimensionality

[restive river]

I love their bat noses :D

[quartz sky]

All of them, he doesn't seem bound by states of matter or dimensions or time

[quartz sky]

Me too!! I love when he plays with helminth

[feral cape]

Instead wally is composed entirely of 2 temporal dimensions

[chilly iron]

Kubrows do exist in 3 dimensions XD maybe 4

[restive river]

I wonder if kubrows were given bat noses by evolution or the orokin

Give us 1999 companions DE
You know you want to

Real aah wolf and real aah jungle cat companion when
I’d even take a skin

[chilly iron]

Oh please, I would bring Tagfer the murder deer with me everywhere

They're in the zoo, they exist somewhere

[quartz sky]

What about a techrot companion, a little radio with arms that can play tracks on shuffle

[restive river]

We need a
Sentinel skin that’s just Fib
A Moa skin that’s just Bird 3
And a Kavat or Kubrow skin that’s just Tagfer

[restive river]

I would kill for a helminth charger techrot skin at the least

I would go out of my way to make them good too
I hear they are now so that’s a bonus!

[restive river]

Doesn’t it also say where they exist on their info board?

I hope we get some good techrot accessories from the coda

[feral cape]

Here down

[chilly iron]

It does! I rechecked that translation thread on the forums, looks like they come from North America in the upper Not-US and Not- Canada area
... so it's a moose XD

[restive river]

USL and Canata(?) :D

[chilly iron]

That's the one!
Which I suppose then makes this a Meese XD

There's some contention about the animal being called a Tagfer

[graceful swan]

Tagfer Tagfordisposal

[restive river]

I def prefer “Meese” lmao

The name def isn’t actually Tagfer since uh. Well iykyk…

[graceful swan]

What was the website with all the chats called?

[past pumice]

kimulacrum
it's annoying to google but it's linked at the bottom of the wiki page for kim messenger

[lament stirrup]

Tagfer's species are called Cervulites.

[restive river]

At least the origin system version of his species is called that

We don’t know for the 1999 era version
possibly similar but we don’t know

[feral cape]

I miss android I hope his collage is going well

[restive river]

I hope he’s doing well :)

[restive river]

What, no Helminth strain?
Or are we too powerful to compare

[past halo]

Nope lmao

[graceful swan]

What even is the default strain?

[restive river]

Good question

[feral cape]

I assume all pre Mutalist infested

I wonder how Mutalist works because it's not just a brute forcing

[feral cape]

Maybe it's like the logic plague from halo which I think would be kinds stupid cause I think the logic plague is dumb

[sly ibex]

The Infested are based on the Flood, to be fair. 😛

[graceful swan]

What’s the flood?

[keen linden]

Halo reference

[raw stone]

New Helminth or Vulp/Predasite skins?

So the helminth charger gets the devolved infested skin, like modern infested, and the Vulps and Predasites could maybe get a techrot pet skin. Make it tamogotchi-related I guess.

No wait. What do they call it as legally-distinct toys in 1999? Does Amir ever address it?

[cinder zodiac]

One of the primary antagonists of the halo universe, a living disease that absorbs worlds that grows in intelligence as it consumes more mass.

They also start speaking in rhymes when they get big enough.

[graceful swan]

Ah

[cinder zodiac]

The forerunners built halo as a giant galaxy spanning wipe out all life device to starve it out.

[north jolt]

Of any possible theme based a Warframe on made for Rell, why a priest?

[old dome]

harrow is a religious word i think... idk. ppl have said its bc his story is inspired by christianity & thats why he looks like that but i personally dont see it...

in typical flowery orokin language fashion... what does any of this mean??

i get the description but what does the last paragraph mean??

[normal mountain]

Lavos has living snakes attached to his arms
Drusus has recreations of them, somehow

[old dome]

oooooh ok ok

[feral cape]

Are they?

They don't seem to share any key characteristics with the flood they just seem like space viruse #87

[sly ibex]

Yep. DE have confirmed that, and so does that 100 days of Warframe short.

[feral cape]

I don't think the 100 days of warframe skit is a very good source but I didn't know de confirmed it

[sly ibex]

When Ordis says "it's-THE FLOOD- The Infested."

[sly ibex]

That's why they had it in the skit, yeah. They confirmed it before the skit, though I don't recall exactly when.

[feral cape]

I mean alot of people use x popular space virus to describe another one

But huh I didn't know that neat

I still think the explanation of the logic plague is really dumb

"Oh its an argument the ai just simply couldn't refute" why don't I just make my ai tell the flood "La la la I'm not listening"

[sly ibex]

Trying to locate the quote, but it was so darn long ago...

[feral cape]

Minion I believe you

This seems incredibly silly to make up

[graceful swan]

"We must not be overcome by... THE FLOOD... The Infested. Yes, defiantly the Infested." -Ordis in 100 Days Of Warframe

[sly ibex]

I meant the quote from digital extremes on that, but yeah lol

[graceful swan]

That's probably what you heard

The video is 8 years old

[stiff fable]

It's completely reasonable that the Technocyte was originally based on the Flood, honestly

Halo launched in 2002 which is about when Steve started concepting Warframe/darkSector

[plush phoenix]

i was looking up salt mine pictures (long story) and i think it's kind of interesting how much they look like the desert areas in labs

[gloomy anchor]

The flood weren't even an original scifi idea tbh

[stiff fable]

I mean if we're going to go down that rabbit hole we have to talk about how there's absolutely no originality in science fiction period

[gloomy anchor]

Look I'm just saying Futurama had brain sucking alien consciousness in 1999

Also Warframe is set in 1999

[gloomy anchor]

Yeah and that's because it is a genre full of extremely derivative stuff

[stiff fable]

technically Goosebumps did it even before that, and they arguably both got it from They Live....

[gloomy anchor]

iRobot addressed the same philosophical things we saw in stuff like blade runner

The idea of sentience in created intelligence has been a staple of sci fi throughout generations

It's no different with stuff like the technocyte and flood

It's hard to pin down ACTUAL inspiration because it exists throughout decades

I mean people think Letties hair is a JoJo reference lol

You hit the nail on the head though I don't think you realize it- there is no originality outside of new ways of presenting the same philosophies and social commentaries

[stiff fable]

......that was exactly the point I was making actually

Except I'd go a step further and say that social commentary is repackaged too

After all, "robot" is based on the Czech word for "slave"

[gloomy anchor]

Hmm I didn't know that.

Awhile back I decided to take a dive through the books considered the top like fifty of all time sci fi
Stuff like Asimovs foundation, flowers for Algernon, Hyperion, do Androids Dream of Electric sheep, etc

Definitely a ton of recurring themes being presented in new ways

Or slightly varied based on how advanced the civilization is in the story and such

[stiff fable]

It's a good list

Read A Memory Called Empire too

[gloomy anchor]

I found a used old copy of stranger in a strange land a couple months ago

[stiff fable]

Heinlein's classic

[gloomy anchor]

For like 2 bucks at a garage sale

[stiff fable]

My favorite part of his work is that no one's sure if Starship Troopers was supposed to be a sincere defense of authoritarianism or an ironic takedown of it

But yeah I grew up reading classic sci-fi

[gloomy anchor]

For guys with a lot of progressive writing/understanding of where the future was headed there were some awful authors lol

[stiff fable]

pffft

[gloomy anchor]

But that's why I think I got sucked into 1999, it reminded me of the more close to modern cyberpunk stuff I like

Snow Crash is still one of my favorites to this day

[stiff fable]

One of my English professors divided Western literature into "before Jaws" and "After Jaws"

[gloomy anchor]

Hahaha

[stiff fable]

Because Jaws led to a whole seachange (ba dmp tsh) in how people handle scene transitions and perspective changes

Anyway I can't stand Stephenson even if I respect his ideas a ton

Ellison's the same way but Ellison was also generally unpleasant, while I understand Stephenson's pretty nice IRL

[gloomy anchor]

Snow Crash I found in my school library when they were getting rid of some books, and then I got seveneves when it came out

Harlan Ellison is a professional troll

[stiff fable]

no kidding

fun fact: Harlan Ellison had a walk-on role in Babylon 5

As the talking elevator lololol

[gloomy anchor]

Hahaha I don't remember that but I haven't watched that show since I was a kid

[stiff fable]

It's literally like only a single episode

[gloomy anchor]

My dad and I used to watch that, DS9 and Stargate religiously

[stiff fable]

Yeah it was Trek and Farscape for my family

though I found out a few years ago that they'd recorded huge chunks of Babylon 5 and only watched it after I went to sleep

[sly pagoda]

wow an actual accurate picture of a reddit forum for basically any video game 😉

lots of science fiction will be tracable back in some cases to mythologies .

its just that some things will be major influence points in the subject such as Bladerunner and Ghost in the Shell on Cyberpunk.

[left oyster]

Yall think that canonically hunhow and his sentients babysit stalkers kid while he comes to kill us?🤔

[sly pagoda]

man its a good thing the kid can probably do school on the space internet once old enough, Otherwise he would get bullied and just jade light the first one trying to take his lunch credits.

[feral cape]

I'm not saying it's unreasonable I'm just saying I don't see it

The only thing they have in common is flesh mass

[sly pagoda]

I could also see some inspiration from everybody's favorite video game bug problem. The Zerg.

[feral cape]

The way they infect is different how they act is also different

They don't seem to have any gravemind or world mind shenanigans going on

[fossil pond]

Okay so real question: After Jade Shadows why can't we have Stalker? I like he could be storylocked like Umbra

He has no reason to hate us but again he doesn't like us...

Also using Gemini skins as an example for when we enter Operator/Drifter the Gemini skins have a voiceline saying they wait where they are so why can't Stalker do the same as them and wait where he is?

If not just gain parts of Stalker and make a duplicate of him without a Transference Bolt?

[feral cape]

Because he doesn't like us

[fossil pond]

But he doesn't hate us?

[feral cape]

Okay?

Do you let people your neutral towards control your actions

[feral cape]

Also arnt the flood the remnants of an insanely advance society

[fossil pond]

Then why not give him a system where we build his true like we do with the Hex?

[feral cape]

Because he has no desire to know us

We helped his wife give birth

[sly pagoda]

Maybe he does not hate us anymore but he also does not like us.

Think of like how we had to gain Liked with the Hex to pop into them and get the good ending at the power plant.

[feral cape]

And that's it

[sly pagoda]

Arthur was not thrilled the first time the drifter dropped in =p

[feral cape]

We still destroyed his entire way of life

[fossil pond]

And you don't think that built some even the slighty amount of trust?

[graceful swan]

greeting the Tenno) "Ordis hopes the Stalker will give up his vendetta one day, just as Ordis did. Perhaps he too will grow weary of— CLEANING UP BLOOD."

[feral cape]

Yea enough to not hate us

He still doesn't want us in his head

[glacial bough]

The trust is that he's willing to leave if we're using his wife

[fossil pond]

That too!

[graceful swan]

Stalker might one day give up his vendetta but he probably still won't like us

We did destroy his way of life

[fossil pond]

Idk but I have a bunch of Stalker inspired fashion but I can't use it to it's fullest capacity without Stalker

[graceful swan]

Stalker is the one frame we will never truly own

[fossil pond]

True but old wounds should be allowed to heal

[graceful swan]

He hasn't forgiven us and probably never will definitely not enough for us to take his body

Him coming to us was literally a last resort thing I don't know why everyone assumed he actually forgave us or anything

[fossil pond]

Well if we can't have him he should at least be a customizable enemy

[feral cape]

I don't think we should have any control over stalker

[glacial bough]

How would that make sense

[feral cape]

Also what about multi-player

[graceful swan]

You can build the Stalker spectres

[fossil pond]

It doesn't but being able to fight a stalker in gender reveal pink sounds hilarious

[prisma merlin]

I have a question about quest ordering. I came back after not playing for years and I have lotus in my inbox telling me to go fight alad v on eris, while he's doing non-infested things in deadlock protocol and I can't even get access to the boss node on eris because they apparently added extra connections to some planets. Is there like a "chronologically do this in Y order to make it make sense."
I am just highly confused.

[stiff fable]

....is Alad in Deadlock?

Pretty sure that's Nef

[prisma merlin]

It may be, I just know my inbox gave me like 7 total quest dialogs and I am confused as hell. I saw him in 2 cutscenes basically within a few minutes of one another one infested and one not.

[stiff fable]

the timeline IS borked though because Alad should be cured by the time you do Second Dream

...but reaching Eris requires TSD

side effect of the star chart reorganization eight years ago

[prisma merlin]

Yea which is weird because (yes this is like 10 years ago apparently on my account, I have relay Vay Hek beacons in my inventory) I have to redo random missions on random planets to reconnect everything.

[stiff fable]

yep

luckily if you were at endgame back then you're near the end of star chart now so it won't tale long

[prisma merlin]

I honestly wonder if I should just start over and somehow transfer all my stuff to a new account because I am massively lost story wise.

I was only MR 10 at the time/now.

[stiff fable]

nah don't bother

if you need a refresher, order of operations is "Awakening, New Strange, Natah, Second Dream, War Within" for the basics

Then do Heart of Deimos (and build a necramech), Rising Tide (buy tier 3 railjack gear from your clan), The Sacrifice, Chains of Harrow, and Prelude to War and The New War

Avoid Duviri Paradox until after The New War

[prisma merlin]

Ok, I will do that. It is rough going though purely from a "the stuff I'm fighting is meant for people who played 20-30 hours" like my movment is awful again compared to how I remember I use to fluidly dash jump through maps.

But anyway, thanks for the advice.

[stiff fable]

Well they changed the movement system two or three times is why

No more coptering

[prisma merlin]

My favorite thing to I remember was dash jumping pressing Sayrn's 4th ability killing everything and keep moving.

since I kept the momentum

But anyway, I'll stop going off lore topic.

[feral cape]

You can still nuke with saryn

She's still one of the best frames in the game

[fossil pond]

I just realized something at the beginning of Second Dream before Stalker gains the Hunhow armor he is wearing a red cloth

But later on he loses the cloth? Any ideas why? It feels like he became more basic and after he lost the cloth

[tall echo]

He uses umbra model for shadow stalker

Probably to make him look more unique than just excal but black, but that look was iconic so they went back

[fossil pond]

Really? That's strange to me

[tall echo]

Well, that's just a theory

A g-

[fossil pond]

Hmm fair only way to actually confirm would be a dev to say something about it

[upbeat glacier]

Is our Warframe alive

The second dream made me wonder

[graceful swan]

If they were dead you wouldn't be able to control them

[sly pagoda]

The ones we have I mean they have living material but they are copies and not made from people.

[fathom ridge]

He lost his drip after being defeated by us /j

[fathom ridge]

And that sounds about right cause we take their blueprints and parts.

[graceful swan]

Its a lobotomy basically

[sly pagoda]

I kinda feel like that making copies has been around since the old war. But they obviously needed Volunteers or "Volunteers" for the first revisions.

[graceful swan]

Most if not all original frames died

All the ones we build are 3d print humans

[stiff fable]

Yes! But they're quiescent, "tamed" for lack of a better word. The various animation sets are actually their "personality" shining through.

[upbeat glacier]

The transference still confuses me

Do we control them like puppets or do we become one with their conscious

[fossil pond]

Probably the only unique thing about him without it his body is a recolored Excalibur

[stiff fable]

Little of column A little of column B

Transference has us move our consciousness inside the Warframe which becomes our new physical body

[upbeat glacier]

Oh

Also anyone else want a skin for Dagath that restores her face

She needs hugs lol

[stiff fable]

But we're still tethered to our original bodies, which is why the Reservoir is a major vulnerability for us when it's discovered

And I want a Dagath Gemini skin

[upbeat glacier]

Also does anyone know why survival missions frames need air

Yet they can fly around in space lol

[stiff fable]

Archwings have life support built in

[upbeat glacier]

Not in sentient ships

[stiff fable]

Sentient vessels do have environmental controls

Sentients were terraforming devices originally

[woven coyote]

Infested ship tileset in eris demonstrates pretty well that without life suportt warframes do slowly die in a vacuum

Its probably slowed because gameplay reasons since in survival after life suport goes down our health is gone pretty quickly

[fossil pond]

I just had a thought

What if they is one player out there in the world who mains Stalker only playing straight duviri only when stalker is in rotation

Idk I'm tired so I'm going to bed

[graceful swan]

Does Stalker actually show up on the list of what’s in rotation obviously at R10

[tall echo]

Yes

[fossil pond]

Yep

[devout verge]

Yeah, Second Dream isn't nearly as obvious as it's apparently supposed to be.

First it turns out we controlled the Warframes remotely all along.
Then we control it over a short distance as it carries us.

And then, suddenly, it's supposed to be a big surprise when it moves while we're only a few steps away? Why can't that be remote control again?

It is made way more explicitly later on that Warframes are alive and have their own minds, but cooperate with us for reasons.

[feral cape]

Because it was supposed to be foreshadowing

Not a grand revele in and of itself

[devout verge]

That makes more sense.
I just stumbled across someone complaining the the Duviri Paradox ruined the Second Dream reveal by having the Warframe save the Drifter.
I did do Duviri before Second Dream, and my reaction to that scene was just "Oh, neat, remote controlled Warframe", not "IT'S ALIVE!"

[proper barn]

Have you played the sacrifice also duviri is all about stuff you don't understand.

[scenic fossil]

Duviri should be locked behind new war eh

[proper barn]

Nah

I like where it is.

[devout verge]

Not yet, I'm past War Within, next is Chains of Harrow.
But I don't care about spoilers and read the basic plot before I even started playing, so eeh.

[proper barn]

Okay cuz The sacrifice was way more hinted at with its reveal through the lore.

Like through rhino primes lore

And stuff

I guess also titanias quest

We also had thr Infested Chair in our orbiter for years

[graceful swan]

"(Why do you destroy us? We are your flesh.)"

[proper barn]

Also yeah The infested always said stuff like that.

So it was way more hinted at.

[stiff fable]

The room was locked until shortly before Nidus came out iirc. Like, the original "orbiter" was just called the Liset, and it was just the landing section.

OG Liset:

Wait better version

It was basically a crawlspace

[proper barn]

was the door infested? also wasn't phorid and lephantis there for a while

[stiff fable]

Notice the lack of a lower deck

[proper barn]

cuz i don't know if Lephantis' lines have changed in like 10 years

[stiff fable]

Originally the door didn't exist

[proper barn]

I know that

i am saying before it was open was it infested as a door

[stiff fable]

Ah, yes, but not as heavily I believe

[restive river]

What is that PSA lmao

[stiff fable]

Pre-Conclave PVP was a riot

[restive river]

Lmao

[stiff fable]

Also not my screenshot

[restive river]

I remember the low ceilings

It was
So cramped
Yet oddly cozy???

I much prefer the open space we have now, especially since myself and so many others default to bullet jumping around

[stiff fable]

Wow looking at people's speculation about TWW is crazy

Also the infested door I think is a part of TWW, and with the infested frame being released before the bard frame I am assuming we get the infested frame from the war within and it all ties together in that room at the end of the quest

hahahaha oh my god

A - Rebecca: Throw them a bone. They're scared! Sheldon: We did show an infested frame...It's not related. Steve: New game system, it has lore of your ship's biology. It might come to PC in December.```
This was from 2016

Helminth system launched in 2020 alongside Heart of Deimos

[proper barn]

the sacrifice was 2018

[stiff fable]

Man Warframe's content pipeline was messed up for years

[proper barn]

i disagree

but sure it wasn't great until around like Deadlock protcol.

then they really got into the swing of things.

[restive river]

When did you two start playing and interacting with the devstreams and community :?

[proper barn]

around 2017? 2018?

one of those.

[stiff fable]

Day 1 on Switch

But I'd had friends who played started around 2015

[restive river]

Daaang

I’ve been around since early 2019
Made my account in 2017 tho, didnt understand
Came back almost exactly 2 years later and been loving it ever since

From the low lows to the ever higher highs

[stiff fable]

Yeah same boat for me

I finished The Sacrifice/Chimera Prologue and then a bunch of drama with my clan and alliance soured me on the game

Came back during covid and met some amazing people in game and have stuck around since.

Warframe was my covid game, and I still refuse to look at my account time because of how hard I mainlined it

[restive river]

When I started in 2017 the people that got me into it just
Didnt help me
I was too confused and didnt know what was happening, I vaguely remember breaking out of the map lmao
But when I came back 2 years later I discovered captura and took a real crack at it, def helped I picked up Octavia cause she carried me through the early game

[stiff fable]

Nice!

[restive river]

Tbh I think it def helps to have a good frame early on that can help out when you’re still learning

[stiff fable]

I managed to farm out a Chroma Prime and his gear before I left. But this was right after they'd nerfed Vex Armor so dramatically so it was less helpful than it should have been.

[restive river]

Cause back then I had Volt who
I’ve never liked the gameplay of
And forgot about the rhino I was crafting, who I also would not have liked lol

[graceful swan]

Warframe is almost the only game I play purely because new games tend to not be good or not Warframey enough

[restive river]

Warframe is just repeatedly good content for me

[stiff fable]

When I came back I got Gara Prime and she carried me through star chart and the start of Steel Path

[restive river]

Like my only two actual problems are crafting times and slots
That’s it :p

[graceful swan]

I remember my first Prime being Atlas lol

[stiff fable]

Then I learned how to mod by which I mean I stole a friend's builds and branched out to other frames

[restive river]

My partner got Dante and he helped carry her through the game, she’s caught up now and loving it :D

[stiff fable]

That's awesome

[restive river]

Mine was Trinity, twitch drops :D
someone also gifted me the whole frost set cause they wanted me to be their defense bubbler
Uh
I never touch Frost lmao

[stiff fable]

Yeah I have that problem too these days. Like, I'm playing something else and I like it but it's "not Warframe", but I don't want to play Warframe for whatever reason.

I should start working on my reading list or something haha

[restive river]

I literally have not touched my trinity since I got her, whenever that drop happened
Now she’s one of my favorites just cause good survivability, good frame if I wanna focus on gunplay

[restive river]

You ever try to bullet jump in other games?
I have :p

[stiff fable]

Random, but cool! I had someone gift me Mag Pneuma because I'd bought Mag Prime Prime Vault and hated how she looked

[graceful swan]

If I don’t feel like playing Warframe I just continue writing my Warframe what ifs

[stiff fable]

And LOL yes absolutely

[lean garden]

the amount of times I crtl space in Destiny and promptly do nothing

[restive river]

Only other game where I ever tried to do the same mechanic was the ascend ability from tears of the kingdom
Bullet jump and that are prob my favorite “movement” mechanics

[stiff fable]

yeah I definitely had a "bullet jump moment" when I started TotK

[restive river]

Lmao
And now you have Aoi :D

[stiff fable]

not yet but soooooon

[restive river]

Soon!

[stiff fable]

Gotta farm up the plat for the whole Gemini set

[restive river]

She’s wonderful :)

Oooo, goodluck!

[stiff fable]

And Rhino Heirloom

oh wow yeah that'll be soon won't it

[restive river]

If you want a fashion tip
I think its best to start with the hair and kinda go from there if you don’t have an idea already in place l

[restive river]

Echoes probably, yeah!

[stiff fable]

honestly I like their designs enough I might leave them as-is

[restive river]

Oooo

I can’t go default personally

[stiff fable]

but in my blackest of hearts I have a dream: really WEIRD Warframes getting Geminis

[restive river]

Though I do try to match the look to who they are
Darker colors for Eleanor
Brighter colors for Aoi

[stiff fable]

Caliban, Dagath, Xaku

[restive river]

I was about to say Caliban and Xaku lmao

[lean garden]

Grendel as the Fat Bastard from Austin Powers

[restive river]

Make Xaku a genderfluid nonbinary individual with multiple personalities and you’ve won me over DE (even more than you already have)

[stiff fable]

Like imagine if the Hex were those three, Revenant, Equinox and Cyte

[graceful swan]

Won over Prime

[restive river]

They def perfected the prime for me

[graceful swan]

Protoframe Prime skins when

[restive river]

Only thing I can ask of for Xaku is either find a way for the gemini skin to work OR give me heavy void theme Xaku, even heavier than Duviri pottery

[restive river]

Real!
Why can we put the umbra decals on Arthur but not the prime decals for the others??

Even if its minor
Give it to me DE
Please

[devout verge]

Gemini Xaku Frankenstein-Monster.

[stiff fable]

I mean, the Xaku Gemini wouldn't be impossibly weird, necessarily

[restive river]

I hope they do a Xaku Prime trailer still

[stiff fable]

Like, their issue would be that they "go ghost" not that they're an unholy amalgam of three people

Though DE could totally do that if they wanted

[restive river]

It’d be easy
In theory each frame just needs a sample taken from them and Xaku is no different really, especially if Albrecht made the prime which he probably did

[stiff fable]

honestly my money's on the void spitting up Xaku Prime to mess with Ballas more

[restive river]

I think the multiple personality angle works better than the Frankenstein’s monster angle for Xaku gemini personally

[stiff fable]

The Revenant Prime trailer is one of my favorites just because Ballas is such a primadonna over him existing

[restive river]

I could see that too
I just think Albrecht had something to do with them cause the Obols and their ability names, Ballas doesn’t know about the requiems afaik but the entrati do!

[limber pulsar]

if people can already mass produce xaku strains from the foundry, theres no reason why albrecht couldnt have made a proto from one

[restive river]

Exactly!

Maybe the Xaku batch was mostly a disaster except for one individual who actually had 2 other personalities in their head for a total of 3
Like Xaku :D
3 as 1

[stiff fable]

in perfect fairness to Ballas, there's a lot he doesn't know about and messes with anyway :V

[restive river]

True
But I don’t wanna give him any more credit for my fav warframe if I can help it, he already made the lost frames that became Xaku

[graceful swan]

I had no sleep last night and still don’t feel tired at 8:15 am think it’ll last?

[stiff fable]

no

Speaking from recent experience

[restive river]

Nemesis please rest when you can

Drink water at least

[graceful swan]

Stupid Autism brain keeping me awake

[stiff fable]

While we're adjacent to the subject, whoever pointed out that Tau is probably mesoamerican themed has given me hyped for unannounced content again

[restive river]

Me too buddy
Meee toooo

[stiff fable]

I avoided getting hyped over the Switch 2 (not getting announced today loooool) but Olmayaztec tau? CHOO CHOO HYPE TRAIN COMING THROUGH

[graceful swan]

What does that even mean

[restive river]

I can’t wait for maybe Tau

Someday we will go
Someday
And when we do I know DE will cook

[stiff fable]

Lettie has a KIM message at lovers rank where you talk to her about the Sentients and Tau

[restive river]

Rebb and her team are fantastic

[stiff fable]

Context is that she's asking you about the "cause that will take you aware from her eventually"

[restive river]

I remember that

[graceful swan]

The issue with DE putting Tau in the lines is they think we are going to Tau rn not sometime in the future

[restive river]

Wish the computer remembered our convos 😔

[stiff fable]

And you mention some of the stuff the sentients talk about

[restive river]

Yeahh, I do think its our next big stop but that’s not anytime soon

Like BIG doubt that’s what’ll happen at tennocon

[stiff fable]

One of the lines immediately sets her off because it's quoting from the (real life) Aztec codices

[graceful swan]

Albrecht said in sight not rn

[restive river]

Maybe something like Whispers for Tau but eeeh

[restive river]

Ooooo

[graceful swan]

At least Albrecht gave us an actual reason to go to Tau

[stiff fable]

Lettie: ¿Cómo qué? ¿Like what?
Drifter: "Merely framed Merely shaped they are called. There was no their mother, there was no their father."
Lettie: ¡¿QUÉ?! WHAT DID YOU JUST SAY?! WAIT WAIT WAIT WAIT WAIT WAIT
Lettie: ¿POR QUÉ? why are creatures from the far future quoting ¿a los PUEBLOS ANTIGUOS? ¿Qué chingados está pasando ahora?
Drifter: Lettie you've lost me again. Back up.
Lettie: AGGHHHH this makes NO SENSE Those words are the words of the ancient people of Chichén Itzá. WHERE DID YOU GET THEM?!
Lettie: THOSE ARE FROM A SACRED TEXT OF LOS PUEBLOS ANTIGUOS "¡¿CÓMO Y POR QUÉ!?"
Drifter: I - I don't - I don't know. I have no clue. I'd only be guessing.
Lettie: I do not drink But if I did now would be the time Aaayyyy this nonsense gets worse and worse every day

courtesy of @humble sierra

[glacial bough]

Yes, the Sentients have long been connected to Meso-American mythos. It's isn't a stretch to think whatever society is there is more built on it

[restive river]

Thanks Pazuul/Erra for NOTHING

[stiff fable]

Lettie: This Tau-This is where the... sentients were sent ¿no? This fake race made by fake gods the orokin
Drifter: Yeah, but then we never would have met. Or started dating. So... small upside?
Lettie: Jajaja sí Small upside But why? Why is this place so important that it will take you from me some day```

So yeah, Entrati's going to Tau, Wally's going to follow, and that means we're off to Tau

[restive river]

I wonder if that’s gonna have to do with Wally

[graceful swan]

Chasing a dude is much better than just going to because it exists lol

[restive river]

Yup!

[restive river]

EXACTLY

[stiff fable]

I'm guessing that'll be the next big update, 1999 style

[lean garden]

depends on what DE is going to attribute to as the source of their intelligence

[stiff fable]

so a major Whispers-esque one later this year

[restive river]

Ooooo

[stiff fable]

I'd be a bit disappointed if it was Wally again

Letting them actually be machines that achieved CHIM humanlike intelligence and free will on their own is much more poignant

[graceful swan]

Watch DE just not make us go to Tau but stop Albrecht going

[stiff fable]

.....I wouldn't hate that

[lean garden]

"How did you make smart robots?"
"Yea we pumped them full of void"
"Didnt you say that void is their weakness?"
"Yea thats cuz when further exposed they become a lil unraveled"

[restive river]

So maybe we have a major whispers-esque thing like you just said that leads us towards Tau (maybe involving the Zariman :O)
then Tau itself
Then maybe a finale of sorts with Wally, the final bit to the Void War

[stiff fable]

My big wish for a long time, ever since The New War, has been singular

I want Praghasa as a node

The anti-Zariman

Narmer and Sentients everywhere

[restive river]

I’m getting kinda worried that we’re going through all the major plot points that have been set up
Like
What’s after the void war?

Nervous :S

[lean garden]

aftermath

[stiff fable]

depends on how the void war falls out

[restive river]

Well yeah aftermath

[graceful swan]

I wanted the original trailer Praghasa

[stiff fable]

SAME

[restive river]

Is there any other major plot points from the past that can be dug up?

[stiff fable]

The absolute worst case scenario for the setting is the major factions getting full void access

[restive river]

arcane machine? /j

[restive river]

Oop

Parvos could be an easy major villain

[stiff fable]

Put the war back in Warframe

[restive river]

Real

[stiff fable]

Resurrected Worm Queen in a Tenno body

[restive river]

I’d love an expansion to Duviri

[humble sierra]

We End As We Began

Vor final boss

[restive river]

OOOOO

[graceful swan]

So many people think Parvos is a good guy

[stiff fable]

ugh don't remind me

[restive river]

I feel sad saying this
But when the game ends that better be the finale, Vor as the true final boss

[stiff fable]

I think Dr. Tengus getting nommed by the Infestation could kick up the stakes somewhat

[restive river]

How-

[graceful swan]

I still wanna rip the key off Vor and slap him with it

[stiff fable]

he sounds really nice when you lock him back in the Granum Void after Deadlock

and people mistake that for him being "Good Corpus"

Luckily DE course corrected and he's been a raging soulless capitalist since Tempestarii

[restive river]

I mean yeah
But it’s made pretty clear afterward he sucks
I thought he was an ally for a bit but I paid attention to the fact that, oh, idk, HIS SISTERS TRY TO KILL US ON HIS BEHALF

[stiff fable]

And like, when you kill them he's not sad or regretful, just contemptuos that they couldn't get him what he wanted

[restive river]

Belly of the beast made him even worse ngl

And the whole thing with Drusus

[stiff fable]

And Dante Unbound

[restive river]

Can
Can we save the leverian
Please
):

[stiff fable]

honestly it's one of the only places where I wish DE would go back and edit the text a bit more

Just, make his signing off message a threat instead of conciliatory

[restive river]

Agreed

[stiff fable]

Internet people don't get subtlety

[restive river]

Cause he’s fine in the quest
Funny even

[restive river]

Also
Like
Warframe players don’t READ

I know someone who skips cutscenes

[stiff fable]

well kinda, him getting out risks the Corpus uniting and breaking the balance

[restive river]

I physically can not deal with that

[graceful swan]

Off with their existence to the Void

[stiff fable]

ANYWAY yes I want a Duviri expansion

"Crashed Orokin Tower" island

[graceful swan]

I want Albrechts island back it’s thematic

[restive river]

My partner and one of my friends had an idea for that!

[stiff fable]

New Warframe you have to unlock across all five spirals

[restive river]

Yessss

[stiff fable]

Ascension Undercroft stage

(In a Duviri'd Orokin tower)

[restive river]

Their idea was a more direct vampire/dracula frame since Revenant is hardly a vampire
He isn’t even Vlad anymore smh

Orokin Tower Dracula Castle in Duviri
C’mon
Perfect for halloween!

With Rebb’s love for vampires I can see it happening to some extent tbh

[graceful swan]

I want them all back so I can see how big Duviri truly was

[stiff fable]

I could see it; though my thought process is that the Warframe is the "female Sevagoth" the way that Gyre is female Volt and Nezha is male Ember

[restive river]

Especially since, again, Revenant is not a vampire.
He has thralls and thats it

[stiff fable]

A Warframe that fled the Old War, seeking safety in the Void until she crashed into Duviri

[restive river]

Oooooo

Love that idea too

I still really want us to conceptually embody a frame in a quest

[stiff fable]

though honestly Dagath's probably the genderbent Sevagoth since spooky

[restive river]

Like we lose access and need a frame so we make one on the spot

[stiff fable]

I have an idea for a customizable Warframe, but it's Helminth related

Where after you rank up the Helminth enough it offers to make you a completely new Warframe

[restive river]

I can see that happening ngl

[stiff fable]

EMETH

[restive river]

At the low low cost of 1 human being!

[stiff fable]

no no, it's made of the Helminth's OWN flesh

[graceful swan]

My brain is weird when it thinks of Duviri it thinks of a ring shape like one of these sweets

[restive river]

Also like
Playable Vessels when

[stiff fable]

Not extruded

[restive river]

Ooo, Helminth had enough time and enough warframes fed to it it figured out how to make one all on its own?

[stiff fable]

It chops itself up shapes the bits in a humanlike form and encases it in armor

[graceful swan]

Could a person realistically kill Helminth

[restive river]

Could even just use the bits from the frames we feed it for the human parts

[restive river]

Like a normal person?

[graceful swan]

Anyone

[restive river]

No

Most don’t stand a chance agains the infestation

[graceful swan]

Could we do it

[stiff fable]

"Roughly made by an unskilled hand, EMETH is an empty canvas, needing only for you to choose what powers will fill it."

[lean garden]

I got a really big lighter

[restive river]

LOL

nvm Bau’s throwing hands with the big mouth

[stiff fable]

At the end of the day it's "just" another infested construct

[restive river]

Ooooo

[graceful swan]

What does Infestation fear more fire or Void stuff

[stiff fable]

Void

[restive river]

So like the junction specters?
If I’m remembering how those work right

[stiff fable]

It can adapt to fire, and can't inhabit the void

[restive river]

It can work with the void and be attuned to it, but that’s arguably different

[stiff fable]

The helminth is a (mostly) benign infestation strain

[restive river]

it also can just
live in the void
see; Deimos :p

[restive river]

I prefer the term “domesticated”

[stiff fable]

That actually is better

(oh just to get this out, Emeth would be a Warframe where you choose all four of its abilities, one or two of which HAVE to be Helminth-exclusive powers and not from other frames)

[restive river]

OOOOO

I LIKE THAT

[graceful swan]

Someone who for some reason wants to kill me tried using the captain America take off the suit what are you thing and I said stop controlling the frame I am still Void demon with Void gun and lots of credits

[restive river]

Whats the lore reason for Chroma being able to dupe credits when he gets naked

[stiff fable]

dragon horde

[restive river]

okay but how does he do that

[stiff fable]

Corpus knows better than to skimp on the tribute

[restive river]

does
does the dragon skin bring its own credits/hollars???

[stiff fable]

So they count his credits as extra

[graceful swan]

Do you think the Orokin used Credits or just Gold?

[stiff fable]

They just used the ducats as far as we know

Credits are a Corpus scrip

[graceful swan]

But all factions use credits

[stiff fable]

Because the Corpus control the economy now

The Orokin ceded some economic rights to the Corpus during the Old War, the Corpus started printing credits, and after the collapse the Corpus were the biggest game in town

[graceful swan]

I wonder if Nef is actually rich or if his money is just investor cash

[stiff fable]

oh it's definitely all crypto

[restive river]

LMAO

[stiff fable]

Nef Musk

[restive river]

Nef def has NFTs (Nef’sFunnyTrinkets)

[restive river]

Its uncanny how accurate that is

[graceful swan]

I wonder if anyone in the System is richer than the corpus higher ups

[restive river]

Can’t wait for Nef to put a K-Drive on the market that looks butt ugly and is a nightmare to use

[stiff fable]

Remember, Elon wants to send people to Mars and have them work off their ticket via indentured servitude

[restive river]

We’re richer in love

[graceful swan]

True

[restive river]

I forgot he was literally just Nef Anyo…
I don’t wanna be here anymore
But I also don’t wanna work on Mars

[graceful swan]

Are the Entrati family richer than Corpus

[proper barn]

lmao he isn't gonna do that though.

[proper barn]

yes

cuz G-ma out bids Nef easily

[stiff fable]

No, but they have stuff the Corpus want badly

[restive river]

Their walls are covered in coin…

[proper barn]

No she buys him out

[stiff fable]

Not legal tender tho'

[proper barn]

outright for the vents.

[restive river]

True
We can’t sell Obols

[stiff fable]

Like I said, Nef's invested in crypto

[restive river]

We’re gonna be rich when we die if we can fit those under our eyelids tho
Or was it the tongue?

[stiff fable]

He's like Trump certain people I won't name where they have a lot of economic power but not a lot of liquid cash

When the race was to see who could pay cash first

[graceful swan]

If you’ve lived for more than 1000 years and ain’t rich you ain’t doing life right

[stiff fable]

Depends on the culture; either on the eyes or in the mouth is typical

[proper barn]

I think the family just have LUDICRIS amounts of wealth

just from the orokin like stuff

[stiff fable]

Again, the Corpus controls MULTIPLE PLANETS

[proper barn]

they have.

[restive river]

I cant remember which one had obols and which put them where

[graceful swan]

Isn’t wealth counted in assets not legal tender though

[stiff fable]

The entratis have one moon that they don't control

[restive river]

Cause not just coins but obols specifically

[stiff fable]

because it's infested

[proper barn]

THEY CONTROLL ALL OF THE INSIDE OF IT. also they have the most orokin artifacts of anyone in the system.

[stiff fable]

they really just have a house and the distressingly large basement

[restive river]

Hey that’s a big deal!
The Orokin capital’s a moon!

[proper barn]

the unum's orokin artifacts sustain a whole people.

[restive river]

It seemed like they had more before the bio-bomb judging by the remnants of architecture

[stiff fable]

they're also dead.

Though in fairness before that they controlled the entire Solar System

[proper barn]

cuz they trade in the market and corpus come there to buy their stuff.

[graceful swan]

How do you think the Infested night was while Deimos was in the Void

[proper barn]

so they really really want it.

[stiff fable]

Right but that's the same situation as the Entrati

[restive river]

They don’t have night
Only chaos and order

[stiff fable]

If the whole Corpus showed up for a fight it's not a contest

[graceful swan]

Do Infested even sleep?

[stiff fable]

I'm sure parts of it do at different times

but, hivemind

[restive river]

Fun fact i noticed recently btw but there’s been a lua sol glyph in game for who knows how long completely unrelated to 1999

[graceful swan]

Actually the family was sleeping in Whispers weren’t they

[stiff fable]

Conclave related?

[restive river]

Yes

[restive river]

Don’t think so, It’s just a normal purchasable glyph

[stiff fable]

In in Heart of Deimos before you wake them up and bring them to the Necralisk

[graceful swan]

How do they even stay sleeping with all the noise

[lean garden]

isnt it the log in rewards?

[restive river]

I’m taking about a different one

[stiff fable]

that one's name is the Spectral Tide glyph anyway

huh yeah Solunar Glyph

[stiff fable]

how odd

[graceful swan]

I honestly haven’t touched glyphs for 4 years what do they even do

[stiff fable]

avatar pictures

[restive river]

^

[stiff fable]

and grafiti

[graceful swan]

This thing?

[stiff fable]

Mine's been Cephalon Cy for five years now

probably?

Is that your avatar on the Warframe forum?

[graceful swan]

Yeah

[stiff fable]

then yeah

[restive river]

That’s on the app

But yes

[stiff fable]

also your AIM icon

[restive river]

KIM*

[graceful swan]

I don’t even remember how I got the glyph

[stiff fable]

https://tenor.com/view/aslan-i-was-there-when-it-was-written-the-chronicles-of-narnia-narnia-lion-gif-21389732

[graceful swan]

It was probably from a YouTuber code thing

[stiff fable]

or a clan sigil

anyway I'm inordinately hyped for this year's Tennocon. Bet they're cooking with gas

[graceful swan]

DE always cooking

[stiff fable]

Just hope they don't do any big updates March and April, Xenoblade X is going to eat my life

[graceful swan]

Probably smaller ones so they can save big ones for Tennocon reveals

Usually how it goes

[stiff fable]

yeah, but last year they dropped Jade Shadows and her event

And that was just a few months after Whispers and THAT event

[graceful swan]

True

[proper barn]

the entrati have way more tech and like gold stuff. The Unum at this point is just like ayatan scuplturs and meat.

[stiff fable]

Gold actually doesn't have much value in the Warframe universe

it's brought up in a few places that platinum is valuable while other "treasure metals" are basically raw materials

[graceful swan]

They probably still have some pretty rare artefacts

[stiff fable]

they most certainly do, but that doesn't make them richer than the Corpus

Especially since the family doesn't have access to so much of it

[proper barn]

I think they are it just doesn't come up much cuz what are they gonna do with the stuff? they can't have it brought to them or anything.

like G-ma all she does with her money is buy a comic kinda and Buy the vents.

[stiff fable]

again, she outbidded Nef Anyo

[lean garden]

they dont even need to pay us

[stiff fable]

The guy we bankrupted twice

[proper barn]

yeah

it's so funny.

[stiff fable]

He's not rich

Compared to the obscene wealth the board can burn

[proper barn]

I think she could have out bid anyone they just can't do anything with it. like what would they use it for?

[stiff fable]

absolutely not

She'd have sent us in to steal the contract if Frohd was the opponent

[lean garden]

but then it wouldnt have been funny

[stiff fable]

Because like Nef her access to liquid capital is lacking

I don't want to pull investment principles into Warframe lore chat lol

[lean garden]

inb4 grandma has -1.7b credits

[proper barn]

who is gonna come collect the debt

[graceful swan]

Inb4 Grandma hires someone to cure her Infestation so she can flex her cash

[proper barn]

I mean it would probably be more

she buys a body.

But this doesn't help the situation

[stiff fable]

yeesh the Corpus would

[proper barn]

of DELIVERY

[lean garden]

thats no debt thats integer overflow

[stiff fable]

but no for real you have to cure the infestation because they're a hivemind, even jumping bodies might not be enough

[proper barn]

Like litearlly everyone expect 1 Grinner team and 1 corpus sciencetist die when they go there.

even sentients don't go to diemos.

[graceful swan]

Could the Entrati actually swap bodies to become uninfested in theory

[proper barn]

probably not

[stiff fable]

I think it might solve the physical problems but not the psychic connection to the hivemind

[proper barn]

Grandma says "they think they might just swap bodies at some point" like it's impossible

[stiff fable]

Okay but real talk who do we have to blackmail at DE to get a syndicate made of other Tenno

NPC Tenno even

[graceful swan]

Steve probably

[stiff fable]

didn't he move to Soulframe full time

[graceful swan]

Maybe Rebb or Pablo

[stiff fable]

good to know

[graceful swan]

Just blackmail em all

[stiff fable]

https://tenor.com/view/black-cat-filing-nails-salem-gif-4883358

[hollow flare]

can stalker's baby grow up?

aren't warframes like, solid? kinda the reason y jade also has her belly even post birth

[digital grail]

Probably at some point

[hollow flare]

the whole "their skin grew stronger than sword steel" thing

[digital grail]

The kid is the 1st ever born Warframe he can probably grow up

[graceful swan]

greeting the Tenno) "Whatever the Stalker and Jade have brought forth, it will be no ordinary child! Ordis wonders whether he will ever encounter an 'ordinary child'."

That’s all you need to know

[digital grail]

He will probably grow up

[graceful swan]

We can’t really know rn

[hollow flare]

ye

[digital grail]

I think it'd be dumb if he didn't

[hollow flare]

it also has someway to channel jade light or something like that, since stalker got the whole buff when holding him

[graceful swan]

Just give him 18 years to grow up

[digital grail]

Maybe due to being a born Warframe he grows up faster

[graceful swan]

Or maybe it might be slower

[digital grail]

We don't know his biology

[digital grail]

I hope it's not the case

[graceful swan]

He’s too young rn for the science

[hollow flare]

warframes can heal very quickly at least idk how it'll affect the growth part

[digital grail]

I kinda want stalker to get a proper redesign he looks boring

Also his kid has the chance to look very cool when grown

[hollow flare]

he looks fine tbh, unless they give him some like power spike or time skip thing

like we just don't see him at all for ages, he comes back and is diff

[digital grail]

He had a similar look to umbra when he became the shadow

[graceful swan]

Stalkers look is iconic

[digital grail]

Ik but it's boring now

I dont hate it

[hollow flare]

ye a power buff in a way, like a super saiyan form of sorts

so if he gets something like that it'd make sense for him to change

[graceful swan]

They only gave him the the scalf because they thought he would look too bad

[digital grail]

Scalf?

[graceful swan]

Yeah he had a scalf originally

[proper barn]

Scarf?

[hollow flare]

it was also the armor set btw

[digital grail]

Oh yeah but stalker had similar stuff to umbra minus the scarf and no metal kresant shapes and a different loin bit

[hollow flare]

ok it's an actual thing

[proper barn]

Scarf is

[hollow flare]

ye but the amazon link

[proper barn]

Wait have you never heard of the word scarf?

[hollow flare]

I've heard scarf

[hollow flare]

I was confused by scalf

[digital grail]

See under the armour

[proper barn]

Scalf isn't a real word

[digital grail]

See just this

Also gives him a look like his other kids

[hollow flare]

🤷‍♂️ guess amazon was just saying scalf and showing scarfs on it

[graceful swan]

Im tired I’ve had 0 hours of sleep lol

[hollow flare]

ye it the armor set, we just didn't get the loin bit I guess

make being near the baby infuse him with jade's power or something

[graceful swan]

What even is that thing

[digital grail]

No he has parts like umbras toggle details

[hollow flare]

like at the end of the quest just like long exposure would mae it like permanent or something

[hollow flare]

the loin might be one of them then?

[raw stone]

Well, warframes generate enough energy to stave off death.

[digital grail]

It's a different loin cloth made for that stalker

[raw stone]

That's also... Hunhow's loincloth.

[hollow flare]

sharing loincloth with the homies? 👀

[raw stone]

Not a joke it's just Second Dream Stalker.

[hollow flare]

ye it is

[raw stone]

New War Stalker returns to base Stalker, but then Jade Shadows Stalker has the green.

[graceful swan]

Hunhow didn’t need it anyway

[digital grail]

Second dream stalker minus sentient armour looked cool should have kept him like that

[raw stone]

All of it tbh was sentient armor.

[digital grail]

No he had some of it b4 hand

[raw stone]

But it is wild that DE had Umbra's pieces in the works since SD.