lore-discussion

[lament stirrup]

I honestly thought the Drifter found Lotus' sentient core on her body somewhere between Duviri and New War.

[vital heath]

it’s been so long man idk

[proper barn]

no

You see it's just her hand in th new war

[north ferry]

I'm just trying to figure out the series of events from the Drifter's perspective. What they go through from the end of Paradox Quest to their 'introduction' in New War.

[proper barn]

now we didn't know to look for it.

[lament stirrup]

I was not paying attention 😎

[proper barn]

Nothing. oh probably found by ordis and then they take the hand off of them and put it in the chair.

[proper barn]

i mean no one noitced it when it came out we didn't have paradox.

[north ferry]

Utterly useless thanks so much.

[proper barn]

WHAT

DO YOU WANT FROM ME

[lament stirrup]

And they call me passive agressive.

[vital heath]

ANTRGINF THAT MAKES SENSE

[proper barn]

okay

do you remember new war?

[limber pulsar]

drifter do duviri stuff. drifter get lotus hand. drifter leave duviri. drifter become friends with ordis. drifter regrow lotus from hand. drifter do new war stuff

[proper barn]

we will go one step at a time. @vital heath

[proper barn]

yes

this happens during the fade to black after the operator gets stabbed and While Ballas takes over the system seemingly.

[north ferry]

This, this isnt 'nothing'.
Sorry, to correct my original question, do we have any information about specifics of these events?
Such as, how do they leave duviri, where do they arrive in Origin? I'm offering up the Zariman as that bridge and trying to figure out if that is right.

[restive river]

Lotus gets her hand cut off and falls into the void
Her hand lands in Duviri
Drifter leaves with the hand
Lotus regrows from the hand because she’s a sentient

[proper barn]

We play the Drifter leaving durivir.

[restive river]

They leave thanks to Teshin and Lotus, we don’t know the exact details
Potentially through the Zariman but we don’t know since it’s reappearances and disappearances are confusing

[proper barn]

Seemingly the drifter controling their emotions gives them the power to leave.

[limber pulsar]

we explicitly know it wasnt through the zariman because that doesnt happen till after, but some exact details arent shown because they dont really matter and they expect people to be able to read between the lines

[restive river]

You could suggest what we first see in the origin system is where Drifter comes out of but that means if you pick Sol you’re just in space so :p

[proper barn]

I think we step out of the zariman

[restive river]

We also just don’t know when the Zariman returns to the origin system during the new war, just that it does
then dips
then reappears for the last time thanks to Kira

The Zariman is our link to Duviri so it’s reasonable to assume, but again we lack those details

[proper barn]

yeah

we can theroize if you want but I was just telling you what we "know"

Templar

[north ferry]

I mean, the access to duviri after the quest is in the dormizone and the zariman is in the duiviri skybox.

The uncertainty about the Zariman is what confused me timeline wise.

Thank you for that 👍
Warframe lore just sets me off because we seem to know so little. Or I seem to be wrong so much

[proper barn]

I mean we are all wrong a lot.

the key is dealing with it correct.

[proper barn]

the void also makes the timeline werid.

[limber pulsar]

the zariman you see in duviris sky is not exactly the same zariman you actually go to, its the one from drifters timeline, notice that theyre both facing away from the holes theyre in, even though origin one is leaving the void and the duviri one is entering the void

[proper barn]

BUT IS IT though?

cuz Drifter describes in 1999 they expericned everything as we did in the zariman seemingly they even got powers

[restive river]

They didnt

The other kids got powers

The Drifter specifically did not

[proper barn]

what

how does this make sense

[restive river]

Also we see two Zarimans, Drifter’s which is in Duviri and the Operator’s which is in the Origin System, the Zarimans are linked however similar to Drifter and Operator

[restive river]

Because we know the Drifter wasn’t saved?

[graceful swan]

29. You wouldn't welch on a deal, would you?

A. CORRUPT FILE DETECTED

B. I saved them. All of them. Never said I'd save you. (correct)

[restive river]

Also they don’t exhibit void powers until much later

[lament stirrup]

Theres a tablet that confirms Wallace spexifically singled out the dricter.

[restive river]

And we know that when they get their powers its new to them, or at least that seems to be the case

[proper barn]

Drifter like describes like in 1999

I think when they talk to Arthur being like taken out after the deal.

[restive river]

They didn’t have powers though

[north ferry]

Warframe lore, where it's just cool ideas.

As far as I got the vibes, wally singled out operator to make the deal for all tenno.

[restive river]

Both Operator and Drifter got the deal
It’s just the terms were different

Which is ultimately what made them go down such different paths
one got powers and was saved just to be put to war
the other was left in the void and made their own hell

[north ferry]

I mean, it is the divergent point so, sames same.

The reason I'm asking is I'm thinking on a theortical premise they are different people that can coexist and how two stories needs play out instead of one.

So Angels and the Holdfasts could exist or be encountered during this first trip through the Zariman/version of the zariman?

[hexed oxide]

the holdfasts maybe, angels i don't know since afaik they pop out when the indifference actively tries to do whatever it's trying to do

[north ferry]

Also somehow I'm seeing Evangelion similarities. Or maybe good old Freudian psychology.

[hexed oxide]

ok i know nothing about either of those lol

[north ferry]

No worries I'm just being silly but I have found myself a little rabbit hole.
I was thinking about the angels as remnants of holdfasts or indeed, former crew of the zariman.

[hexed oxide]

that's because they are

the angels are previous holdfasts or resurrected people that completely succumbed to the void, kira for example

[north ferry]

Well I was thinking of it in terms of self actualization, sense of self, then the void's relationship in all that. Since in Evangelion, kina spoilers, there's the AT field which is kinda like a projected idea of self or ego or something like that. Also has stuff do with syncing with a synthetic body. I can remember much. The undoing of which collapses humanity as individuals.

Anyway it got me thinking about why some Holdfasts changed, or didn't go insane with the crew or why indeed, angels form at all instead of anything else. You could all bring it down to like a 'soul' or 'self' level. It kinda tracks onto other void things if you squint.

Also, the whole idea of conceptual embodiment of one's self.

[feral cape]

Bau would be giddy

[feral cape]

I doubt the kids got powers they were likely just teleported out

[restive river]

They specifically succumb to Wally’s finger, the Angel’s song

[north ferry]

Hmm?

[feral cape]

A guy here

[dire mountain]

I think thematically its more akin to the sacrifice for sure. Especially because the Tenno tries to transference into a sentient warframe (or protoframe with arthur) and gets kicked out. Ultimately having to win over the trust and having the one who previously resisted finally consent for them to act as one

[quartz sky]

I think duviri is more based on Rell with the emotion and emotion cards than based on drifter

But I know that's not in the lore

[dire mountain]

Its not though

Drifter created Duviri via conceptual embodiment based on the Tales of Duviri

A children's book with stories about not letting your emotions get the best of you

[lament stirrup]

Obviously the Drifter is autistic. Hayden Tenno told me so.

[hexed oxide]

if you wanna be autistic, rell was confirmed so by rebecca herself

[quartz sky]

Just thematically it made more sense. Although I suppose with "the deal" it could be considered letting their emotions get the best of them

[hexed oxide]

btw why's the man in the wall so mad the orokin took his finger(s) ?

[limber pulsar]

most people would get a bit upset if you took their fingers

[hexed oxide]

like, yeah i'd be mad if some empire cut off my finger to power technology that interacts with my domain, but idk if i'd go as far as to continue waging war against the rebel soldiers who wanted nothing to do with them some thousand years in the future (i assume it's been at least a milenium since the orokin died)

[lament stirrup]

I'm pretty sure the Man In The Walls more less insane.
They're also still stuck in the strands of Khra since they never got their finger(s) back

[limber pulsar]

wallys grudge against the orokin doesnt really extend to the operator/drifter he just keeps messing with them as part of their still vague deal

[hexed oxide]

wow, we still don't know what he got/wants in exchange ?

[quartz sky]

No, but Im pretty sure it's going to be letting them into this world from the void

[limber pulsar]

well he already leaves the void all the time with no problems

[hexed oxide]

i don't think he actually does so

the copycat in the orbiter must be something like a small projection of him, and in the new war ballas tore a portal he could...walk(?) through

[limber pulsar]

from everything weve seen so far, he doesnt have a “true form” , they are all just wally, he just shifts to look however he wants

[hexed oxide]

i don't know if he can do it, but i think he likes that literal man in the wall figure, and he got it either to mock rell or because that's how rell imagined/perceived him

by "it" i mean i don't know if he can like something, but seeing he feels hatred, why couldn't he feel positive things too

[quartz sky]

I also think they're going to do something with that bug fish on earth

[hexed oxide]

the what

[proper barn]

True forms are wack @hexed oxide

I hate giving mimics or shape-shifters or eldrich entities true forms.

It's so boring and like "human" to think things have a singular "true" form.

[hexed oxide]

surprised they made his design so normal instead of being more eldritch

imagine they took the biblical angel approach

[proper barn]

My point is

A true form is bad to have.

I feel like you are talking past me.

[hexed oxide]

oh, thought you meant they were good, my bad

[north ferry]

I don't think the Man in the Wall's issue really is the finger bit, its just a convenient

[restive river]

Its literally the finger bit

Without his finger he is bound to the strands of khra

Meaning he is limited

[north ferry]

The... what?1 where is this from?

[restive river]

From the Cavia and Loid
During Whispers in the Wall

Fibonacci: "So long as the Indifference is missing a digit, it is confined to the strands of Khra. Don't ask; your tiny mind would likely pop under the strain of understanding. This limitation is our one hope."

Loid: "Do not patronise the Tenno, fish. The strands of Khra are merely Void-renderings of the chains of cause and effect. Conceptually embodied timelines, if you will."

[hexed oxide]

wonder what the tva would say about all this...

[north ferry]

Oh, here I was thinking of the 1999 quest complaining.

Where it tries to justify its actions because the orokin took its finger.

[restive river]

I mean
Yes it’s angry the Orokin took its finger and thus its power and used it without permission

Whereas he’s not angry with us cause he gave us permission

[north ferry]

Need to get around to finishing cavia ranking anyway

[restive river]

He’s angry with us cause we owe him and get in the way tho

[latent moon]

So uh... what exactly are the Steel Path Stalker.... children?

[proper barn]

No more so more so seemingly like people that follow stalker.

Stalkers kid is very different.

[latent moon]

So like... Stalker Acolytes?

[proper barn]

That's literally what their called.

[latent moon]

Oh wait really? XD

[proper barn]

Acolytes.

Yes

Their names as a group are "acolytes"

[normal mountain]

Blah blah Sacred Timeline blah blah blah

Actually, I've been wondering: where did the Acolytes come from?

I mean, we know now that the Stalker is a warframe
Does that mean the Acolytes are warframes as well? If so, how did they become warframes, and who were they beforehand?

And if not, then how in the heck do they have warframe abilities?

[proper barn]

Shadow debt

[normal mountain]

I know that
That's not what I meant

Stalker is a former Orokin Low Guard
Where did the Acolytes come from?

I want origin story, not the update that introduced them

[glossy mountain]

I've finally unlocked and made a start on the War Within quest last night

[paper mountain]

i assumed they were also protoframes

who were also angry at the tenno/orokin

[lean garden]

given that stalker isnt a protoframe, they shouldnt be either

[paper mountain]

but he is?

[normal mountain]

He's not

[paper mountain]

not the semi-humans from 1999, the ones that predated the tenno

[lean garden]

those are not protoframes

[normal mountain]

If anything, he's more like Umbra

[paper mountain]

they were referred to as protoframes before the 1999 protoframes came about

[lean garden]

where

[glacial bough]

I can promise you that it's never happened

[paper mountain]

I remember the community referred to them as protoframes, just a quick google search, and this reddit post confirms this. https://www.reddit.com/r/Warframe/comments/14qwsge/kullervos_lore_and_its_implications/

[lean garden]

then the community is simply wrong

[normal mountain]

Community names are not official canon names

[lean garden]

the term protoframe was never actually in use until 1999

[glacial bough]

That's very baseless speculation as well

[lean garden]

kullervo is not a protoframe, neither is dante, umbra, jade

they are all warframes

[lean garden]

this champion randomly quoted "proto-warframes" despite that not being an actual quote

[paper mountain]

but they had some distinction, so the community dubbed them protoframes, a referal I still use because i am accustomed to it.

[normal mountain]

unfortunate

[glacial bough]

Like, I can admit to using protoframe in casual reference to the gen 1 frames

[lean garden]

ok, and the actual term protoframe exclusively refer to the hex

which Stalker is not

[glacial bough]

But I never saw anyone call the Acolytes protoframes

[paper mountain]

yeah, i just assumed they were those warframes pre-dating the tenno, that had some manner of autonomy. Like stalker and kullervo

and also dante(?)

not entirely sure on his lore

[normal mountain]

Dagath would be a better example

So it seems we don't know the origins of the Acolytes
Pity

Though it would make for a decent follow-up to Jade Shadows touching on Stalker's past

[lean garden]

I assume that since they all have stalker faces that theyre all low guardians as well

since stalker's face is the low guardian logo

either that or theyre all really invested fan boys

and decided to all get the same face

[normal mountain]

But then how did they get warframe powers?
As much as he hates us, I doubt Stalker would want to turn other people into warframes like he was
Just to get revenge

[lean garden]

if fanatics could steal a warframe for a child, then fanatics could also steal some helminth to inject themselves with

[normal mountain]

Fair

Ick, very fair

That would explain some of their mismatched powers, come to think of it

[lean garden]

I was going to say "inb4 the acolytes arent real and we've been hallucinating them, thats why they have all those edgy names and can appear in 1999 and more" but then I remember that the operation had them literally interact with the world

[normal mountain]

Dangit, now I really want an Acolytes quest

[woven trench]

Are the necramechs made out of dead people?

[feral cape]

That was a dream

The thirden deam

[north ferry]

I'm pretty sure at least on a couple of streams they're referred to by DE staff as protoframes but that isn't necessarily a strong point.

Acolytes, presumably he trained them.

[lean garden]

but those were in reference to the 1999 protoframes

[north ferry]

Oh right, I got confused, I thought you were saying the Hex weren't protoframes. Nvm me.

Stalker is confusing and weird as hell but he's still more engaging than any bosses.
So is he just a dude in a suit or is he helminth'd in some way?

[lean garden]

helminth'd 100 percent

dude is a warframe, no tenno

[north ferry]

Right, still weird.

[lean garden]

Jade notes that he is transformed as she was

[north ferry]

Makes sense.

[raw stone]

They're both gen 1 frames, if that makes sense

Idk if the acolytes are also gen1s

[charred patio]

what if eleanor crab tongue bit is actually delicious?
and the hex is just too scared of trying new food because arthur keep making things square?

[raw stone]

The square thing was only to appease us

He doesn't make square stuff fr.

Also crab tongue? What are you? An eleanor tongue eater conniseur?

[charred patio]

I like seafood

[raw stone]

Eleanor tongue carcinogenization is not something I expected.

[humble sierra]

Yeah the square spaghetti was just Arthur trying to make things relatable to Drifter because all Drifter ate on the Zariman were things like nutrition cubes

[slow phoenix]

I think that the central pod thing with the skull is a full corpse, but the rest is robotics

[woven trench]

So...why do they need a corpse?

[humble sierra]

Transference? Maybe using the brain as a Computing system?

A lot of Orokin tech seems to be based on organic matter, maybe it needs flesh to work?

[dire mountain]

I'm not very familiar with necramech internals but it doesn't look like there's much room for any flesh

I could be wrong though

Orokin tech is based on organics though because afaik their fear of artificial intelligences

[slow phoenix]

They were (probably) built to fight sentients, and those can hack any full machine

[woven trench]

So they used a corpse as a base for the mech?

[lean garden]

Nah the mech was void-shields and dumb as rocks, the sentients cant do much to that

[hoary vapor]

Do you guys think that the original idea was that On-lyne was meant to be dead, but then DE changed its mind at some point?

[woven coyote]

Huh?

[raw stone]

No.

[slow phoenix]

When I first saw the technocyte liches I assumed that they WERE On-lyne, just infected by the infested

[chilly iron]

The techrot clones are kinda more tragic. Created to be compliant puppets, now a part of the hivemind

[sly pagoda]

I think what we know now was always the intention

And really its far darker than the group getting infestified, Heck it brings the potential implication that the greed of a record company suit may have contributed to the outbreak itself.

[fresh osprey]

How does downloading stuff cause tech rot to spread?

Does it like cause the computer to just self destruct and turn to sludge that can grow or what?

[normal mountain]

Believe techrot is both a computer virus and an organic virus

Is freaking scary when you think about it

[fresh osprey]

If its like the infestation then yeah it's techno-organic, it explains mutalists but the downloading part is what confuses me the most

[pallid spoke]

It is the Infestation.

[fresh osprey]

Ah gotcha

[pallid spoke]

They changed dialouge in Once Awake to basically confirm that.

[fresh osprey]

Oh cool

Makes them more interesting

[chilly iron]

I thought the downloading thing was propaganda/fear mongering of people in 1999 not knowing what it really was

[pallid spoke]

Lotus now says the Infestation pre-dates the Orokin, instead of that the Orokin created it. That's a retcon.

[sage moat]

i know DsIEGE has been on this bend that its some subliminal virus as well and even the songs spread the infestation for some reason but yeah its probably just a cool thing where you download the virus on your computer and then it starts just. Growing biological parts.

[sage moat]

is that the first retcon in the series?

[pallid spoke]

Nope.

I know there's a few others, but I can't remember off the top of my head.

[fresh osprey]

Might allow for a more expansion on infestation on a whole

[normal mountain]

Imagine you download the wrong thing and your computer just grows tentacles right in front of you

[graceful swan]

It's not a retcon because it never said the Orokin created the Infestation they just weaponized it

[fresh osprey]

Could be that the downloading stuff is like code genetic sequence, and the flesh gets morphed into that

[normal mountain]

The quest itself originally said that the Infestation hadn't been seen since the Orokin Empire, and was thought to have died out

[fresh osprey]

This PC has this tech rot code that if flesh gets a part of it then x form is made

[sage moat]

lowkey i really hope the record company is the direct cause of the technocyte virus. i like the "orokin are the cause of everything bad" bit we had going on but since the techrot already predates the orokin i still want the general idea to be that the techrot was manmade

i like that every faction is human in some way

[pallid spoke]

Maybe I just took one of the Operator lines the wrong way in regards to that...

"Infestation... an Orokin weapon, that backfired."
To me, that implied the idea that the Orokin had created it.

[fresh osprey]

Tech rot could have been medical technology for new organs and so forth that were better cuz of the tech interaction but went awry

[chilly iron]

I have trouble with a pc just randomly generating organic parts, code can't make silicon into skin

[normal mountain]

Maybe the cause of the outbreak, but it wasn't the virus' creator
The virus already existed when the Coda were cloned

[sage moat]

this is a really good theory

[sage moat]

mustve missed that in the emails

[graceful swan]

Nah it didn't mean that it meant they used it as a weapon and it backfired

[fresh osprey]

Rusalka has a mechanical arm that acts like a real one so 1999 had alot of advancements technology wise, techrot being used to make a new one that could be better would have been the idea but shady experiments into it with cloning and not to mention weaponry would have lead to a bastardisation of the original thing into what we see now

[normal mountain]

I don't remember ever seeing that line
That would explain the widespread 'Orokin created Infestation' idea
Always wondered why people thought that

[pallid spoke]

If you have Operator voice enabled still, it's one of the random lines you get when starting a mission against Infested.

[chilly iron]

Technologically advanced but not so advanced that the Hex doesn't freak out about a Roomba? X3

[normal mountain]

I do have it enabled
I guess I just haven't done many Infested missions since I did The Second Dream

[graceful swan]

People confuse weaponising and creating is the issue

[craggy girder]

||how is drifter the only one to survive the zariman||

[graceful swan]

He isn't

[sage moat]

ok so they're not. everyone else got rescued while the drifter didn't

and thats because of wally's deal. that created two scenarios: the one where wally was normal and everyone got saved, and the one where wally was a little monkey paw freak and says "i said all of them, never said i'd save you"

[normal mountain]

He got executed how many times again?
Bro didn't survive

[craggy girder]

Well duviri isn't the zariman

[sage moat]

the scenario where everyone got saved became the one in conventional reality but the one where the drifter wasn't saved still existed in the void, hence the drifter existing in the void to create duviri

something i appreciate about eternalism is that its not the many worlds theory. there is only 1 reality, only one world, but other possibilities exist in the void and can be inserted into reality.
Which is what the drifter does in TNW.

[craggy girder]

Ooooh I see

[north jolt]

Ever seen the movie Videodrome?

[sage moat]

no

[north jolt]

That was my thinking too. Like even if it wasn't explicitly said, I thought it was pretty strongly implied (and lets be honest, A LOT of stuff about Warframe lore relies on heavy implications IMO)

[north jolt]

The theory about the virus download stuff just made me think of TV's and computers becoming all fleshy and slimey

[north ferry]

Where is it specified the others got rescued and drifter didn't?

[graceful swan]

29. You wouldn't welch on a deal, would you?

A. CORRUPT FILE DETECTED

B. I saved them. All of them. Never said I'd save you. (correct)

[chilly iron]

(For some additional context this is from a Zariman school tablet you can find in Duviri, it's in the same question/ answer format as the ones in the New War flashbacks)

[gloomy anchor]

Been awhile since I did the railjack stuff, did we learn why Cy was made a cephalon?

I was diving through lore stuff about him and saw a post on the forums that made me laugh.

He wasn't excited he was reluctant but there weren't other options

It was a top result when I googled cephalon cy

Definitely not how I remembered that going

[graceful swan]

He was viable he just didn't see himself as worthy of becoming the Cephalon of our RJ due to what he did

[normal mountain]

He saw himself as literally the only option, viable or not

[north jolt]

Well we know Drifter didn't get rescued, because they straight up said so :p thats all I know for certain

[north jolt]

"I dont wanna do it, but I gotta do it" mindset

[lean garden]

The classic case of "I didnt pay attention and so I am offended that I missed something but I wont tell you that"

Homeboy was like "You need one, I am not viable, I will have to do until you find a viable one" and only after did he stick around

[wide ravine]

Cy isn’t the step-cephalon, he’s the cephalon that stepped up

[gloomy anchor]

Yeah it was just weird to see that sort of take while I was digging around for stuff about cy

[frail rose]

I love Cy

[quartz sky]

Cy is very funny

Not to alarm you, but what is inside the ship will soon be outside the ship

[river tangle]

typical of him

with his dry humor

[proper barn]

Yeah people are dumb this isn't what he says. He can't find anyone else and he deals with his ptsd so he says he is viable now.

[gloomy anchor]

Coldest line- 'Crew, we have been boarded. Aim for the head, and may the Saints look away.'

[hexed oxide]

"we have to get closer to your mother's ship"

[slow phoenix]

One of the best ceph cy lines

[graceful swan]

“War is a lifetime’s scholarship. The enemy no finer teacher”

[humble sierra]

“Ramsled detected. Optimists inbound.”

[restive river]

“Something touches me.”

[normal mountain]

"A clumsy breach. Our invaders possess more enthusiasm than talent."

Actually, almost all of Cy's 'Railjack boarded' lines are priceless

[lament stirrup]

"Not to nag, but in short order everything that is inside this ship will be outside this ship."

[quartz sky]

That's the one 😂

[north jolt]

Lowkey a pretty funny but also hard line

[north jolt]

I also like the various ways he describes void stuff

[north ferry]

I can't recall, do we have a timeframe for the time skip picking up again in new war?

[feral cape]

More than 30 seconds less than a thousand years

[hexed oxide]

i don't think it's ever specified

[humble sierra]

It’s meant to trick you into thinking it’s at least several years so that Operator grows up into Drifter

[pearl pulsar]

drifter has a line in ||1999 dating sim|| that kinda reads as a joke but i think they mentioned a war in like the 17000s

oh wait

i just read that message again and my reply has nothing to do with it XD my bad

[north ferry]

Yeah, it does give that vibe

Tbh, I got more lore of from the 1999 conversations that a lot of the other parts of the game.

[pearl pulsar]

i think that was kind of a secondary goal for the devs to add a way for us to dynamically confirm lore

[proper barn]

more confirmations.

then new lore.

but the confirmation is cool. we do have a FEW new things.

the probablity of a sister has increased.

[mental tartan]

The way you worded this makes me think about mordin from mass effect "it had to be me, someone else would've gotten it wrong"

[proper barn]

like Are we gonna learn that this is the Operators family idk

[north ferry]

I mean, there's all the options for being a single child so... that might get retocnned weirdly

[restive river]

I dont think so

[noble whale]

Yo question what or like what’s the story of warframe are we human or children of the women I forgot her name

[proper barn]

there aren't any that say we are a single child we just can not talk about it

[proper barn]

have you done the second dream?

do the second dream.

[noble whale]

Yh im on new war but tbh I only half payed attention

[restive river]

The Tenno are human children that obtained void powers thanks to the deal with the man in the wall, Margulis helped these children but was replaced by the Lotus, both acting as our adoptive mother.

[north ferry]

Well...

[proper barn]

WAIT WHAT

warframes are people but the tenno are teh kids that control the warframes.

[noble whale]

Alr ty smm really confused me lol

[noble whale]

TYYY

[proper barn]

Drifter is

[north ferry]

Very normal to be confused.

[proper barn]

left in the ship Tenno.

[noble whale]

Wait so are grinner like earthiens same with corpus or are they aliens?

[north ferry]

They're all human...esq

[proper barn]

Grinner where originally worker clones made by the orokin they are now soliders.

[restive river]

There are no aliens.

[proper barn]

Corpus are normal humans that are now part of a Captilist cult

[noble whale]

WHATTT

[restive river]

Grineer are enhanced human clones
Corpus are just humans with good tech
The Infestation is man-made as far as we know but we don’t know their true origin yet

[restive river]

Warframe has no aliens.

[proper barn]

CLONES

[north ferry]

The closest to aliens is Sentients but they're still created by humans.

[proper barn]

yeah Grinner are clone people.

originally made as a workforce.

[restive river]

I wouldn’t even argue that as they’re just artificial intelligence with adaptability
The closest thing to actual aliens are the void entities

[proper barn]

Orokin where also just the rulling class that turned themselves blue.

[restive river]

And even those only exist because of humans

[lament stirrup]

Non zero chance the Infested came from the ocean.

[noble whale]

What about the creatures on Deimos ?

[proper barn]

infested things

[restive river]

Those are infested

[noble whale]

Like the family

[restive river]

Those are infested orokin

[lament stirrup]

Orokin infected with infestation.

[restive river]

So infested humans

They’re really big because of that type of infested strain

[noble whale]

They arent Aliens just humans that got diseases

[restive river]

Ye

[proper barn]

the family are Orokin which are the old Ruiling Class that are humans

HUmans that made themsevles big and blue

cuz the y just wanted to.

We killed 99% of the orokin in the old war. well after it was over.

[lament stirrup]

I'm pretty sure the Entrati are larger than normak Orokin because the Deimos strain makes things biggers in addition to all the other stuff.

[restive river]

The Orokin made themselves big but not that big, the entrati family are so large because of the gray strain

[proper barn]

that's what stalker is mad about. The Night of Naga Drums.

[noble whale]

I love how I’m learning but quitting the game but Ty so much this answered so many questions I’m probaly annoying you sorry with the questions

[restive river]

Nah you’re good

[lean garden]

quitting the game???

[proper barn]

The Night of the Naga Drums is so cool.

[restive river]

We love helping out :D

[north ferry]

Oh that's what its called?

[noble whale]

Yh im giving away my inventory cause it’s wasted if it’s in my inventory

[restive river]

Please continue playing, the gameplay and story is quite good :)

[proper barn]

Some people quit cuz they wanna play other Live serivice games.

I won't judge.

[north ferry]

Neat. I mean the 'orokin' as the ruling class and 'orokin' as the society included people under them is a little weird

[lament stirrup]

Its like how "kingdoms" have the word "king" in them.

[proper barn]

The Night of the Naga drums even killed Son's fiance

and he is like "yeah we where jerks"

[north ferry]

I mean, weird as in figuring out which is being referred.

[noble whale]

Wait so even the vulapholia or the dog Deimos is from earth like a dog disease

[restive river]

The infestation yes

The vulpaphila are foxes btw

[proper barn]

the Infestation is what the humans that where made into warframes where turned with.

[restive river]

Deimos has foxes and lions rather than cats and dogs

[lament stirrup]

I will never not be entertained by the fact that it took forming a hivemind for the Entrati to develop basic empathy.

[restive river]

LOL

[proper barn]

I WANT MY INFESTED UPDATE DE

[restive river]

:p

[proper barn]

I still think we will get it soon

CUZ IT WAS IN THE MOBILE TRAILER

[restive river]

Potentially

[proper barn]

I SEENT IT

WITH MY YEYES

[restive river]

Poor Vinny

[lament stirrup]

I'm like 80% sure the next major update will be Tau themed.

[woven coyote]

5 years is soon right?

[restive river]

Lets get you back to your Orbiter

[proper barn]

I SEENT IT THE NEW TILE IN THE MOBILE TRAILER WITH MY BIG EYEYES

[restive river]

Doubt it, there’s so much prep for going to Tau

[north ferry]

That's what happened... well I suppose, I guess I find the syndicate progression system gets in the way of learning the story.

[woven coyote]

Still think ppl are taking tau is in sight too literally

[restive river]

Do not expect it this year lol

[proper barn]

this wouldn't be major.

also i would expect the next major update in like 2 years even

[noble whale]

WAIT SO LIKE WUKONG THE WARFRAME IS A HUMAN THAT ANOTHER HUMAN PILOTS WHILE TAHT HUMAN HAS POWERS FROM A MAN THAT WNATED THEM TOO?

[proper barn]

I could see the Infested liches not being in echoes and being moved to the infested update

[restive river]

I expect it to be end of next year at the earliest but even then 🤷‍♀️

[proper barn]

that comes out later the this year.

[proper barn]

yes

[lament stirrup]

The current warframes are braindead clones of the originals.

[north ferry]

There's probably a bunch of expansion and follow up to 1999, and at least several story steps with Entrati back in Origin

[proper barn]

well

most of the originals where also wiped.

[noble whale]

Are the originals the primes?

[proper barn]

no

[lament stirrup]

Surprisingly, no.

[restive river]

There’s a lot that needs to go into going to Tau

[north ferry]

No, primes are just fancy versions.

[proper barn]

Also umbra is one of the last ones which is funny.

[restive river]

Some primes came first
Some came after
Its a case by case basis

[north ferry]

Primes are kinda apocrpyhal iirc

[proper barn]

ALSO YOU PLAYED THE SACIFICE @noble whale

[woven coyote]

I mean that i think albrecht was either just trying to antagonize us to become a common foe to unite us with the hex

Or that he was being cryptic about something the sentients developed

Really dont think its about literally going to tau

[proper barn]

you would have seen a GUY in a warframe.

[noble whale]

So you said there brain dead does that mean there are warframe out there with no Tenno piloting them?

[noble whale]

Is that umbra?

[proper barn]

yes that's the umbra quest

[lean garden]

there was

[north ferry]

I was paying attention and I still missed so much so...

[lean garden]

emphasis on was

[proper barn]

are warframes are made the way umbra is made.

[lament stirrup]

The ||Stalker|| might be one. The warframe introduced in Jade Whispers definitly is one.

[proper barn]

with helminth the INFESTED CHAIR IN YOUR ORBITER

[restive river]

Iirc I had a convo with Lettie that confirmed Tau is our next big stop
We are going to Tau

[lean garden]

the stalker is one, no might be

[noble whale]

But I thought we killed the stalker that’s how we got broken war?

[restive river]

Nah he didnt die

[lean garden]

we didnt kill him we beat him up

[lament stirrup]

The Stalker survived, he just lost his sentient gear.

[restive river]

Hunhow teleported him away

[noble whale]

Wait so as of now he’s still alive

Do we see him again?

[north ferry]

Which was in fact part of Hunhow, which took me forever to realise

[lament stirrup]

Its not clear if the Stalker is a warframe or something similar developed alongaide warframes, since he has a number of powers regular warframes, even sentient ones like Umbra, don't have.

[lean garden]

perhaps you should finish the current story quests first before quitting

[lean garden]

Ah, you havent seen the jade feathers have you

[restive river]

He is absolutely a Warframe lol

[glacial bough]

No, he is one. That was made explicit in Jade Shadows

[north ferry]

He says he needs a resource not currently in the setting, thus the reactor exploding. What is the conclusion, we form bonds with the Hex... and I got the implication that he got back to Origin.

[glacial bough]

It was already fairly clear

[lament stirrup]

I've read the Jade feathers. Its just that there aren't mass produced copies of the Stalker like every other Warframe.

[proper barn]

oh yeah

[north ferry]

It was already fairly vague, as usual

[proper barn]

that is correct.

[noble whale]

Obviously umbras dead, so does that mean stalkers the last sentient warframe?

[lean garden]

that uh, doesnt really make it that he isnt a warframe tho

[lament stirrup]

Umbra's clearly alive?

[lean garden]

much like how theres only one umbra, theres also only one stalker

[lament stirrup]

The quest ends with the Tenno recruiting him.

[glacial bough]

Not really, the feathers clearly say Stalker was changed the same way Jade was

[lean garden]

✨ Because its a punishment✨

[north ferry]

There's only one Umbra? But, didn't he get built in the quest?

[noble whale]

I THIUGHT he was dead cause we get that mask with his skull hanging out

[lament stirrup]

He was rebuilt from parts.

[proper barn]

After he is EXPLOSED

[north ferry]

I meant before Jade came out.

[lean garden]

When the drums struck, I saw him. Changed, just as I was changed. But the medal was his. There is no other like it.

My Sorren. And he did not know me.

I took him. I flew. Through the blood and storm and insanity, I flew.

[proper barn]

lul no. we calm his mind.

[lean garden]

Only you built him again from scans of his bits left and right. So theres still a grand total of one umbra

[proper barn]

Cuz he was STUCK IN A MOON PRISON THINKING ABOUT HOW HE WAS MADE TO KILL HIS SON FOR 1000 YEARS

[noble whale]

Oh sick umbras Alive ahaha

[proper barn]

MOON PRISON 1000 YEARS he only GETS OUT CUZ WE TOOK THE MOON OUTTA THE VOID

WE FREE HIM ACCIDENTLY

[restive river]

Oopsies

[lament stirrup]

You know, the Drifter and Umbra could bond over their timeloop trauma.

[proper barn]

MOON PRISON

[noble whale]

So the warframe we have now are not sentient but are copy’s so like Excalibur is basically a rip off of umbra so each warframe is a rip off of a more POWERFULL sentient warframe?

[restive river]

Umbra wasnt in a timeloop

[proper barn]

NO umbra is later

one of the last.

[lament stirrup]

Its not clear if Umbra was the original, but assuming the Leverian is canon, the original warframes were more powerful than the current ones.

[restive river]

Reliving a memory on loop in your head is not a time loop

[lean garden]

its very clear umbra was in no way the original

[restive river]

^^^

[north ferry]

That makes sense but it more the idea that reconstructing him also reconstructs his identity is interesting. Wait does that mean reconstructing Jade means the Tenno get all the idenity of being Stalker's gf.

[proper barn]

Also he was made as a punishment cuz this Dax that was made into umbra was gonna Expose Ballas working with Hunhow @noble whale

[noble whale]

Oh right, do we ever get to see the originals?

[proper barn]

Umbra has to be one of the also cuz BALLAS was GIVING HUnhow the Warframes Weakness "the tenno"

[noble whale]

Wiat so we can still make sentient warframe as but it’s considered a punishment?

[proper barn]

SO the tenno have to exist on LUA fighting the sentients mid war already

[lean garden]

so each warframe is a rip off of a more POWERFULL sentient warframe?
No by design the warframe and their "original" counterpart are of equal strength

also like, "original" warframes werent necessarily sentient, they just were the first to be made from a human, sentience is not a requirement

[proper barn]

YEAH HE ONLY HAD 1 MEMORY IT WAS KILLING HIS OWN SON

[lament stirrup]

With a handful of exceptions (Jade and Revenant) We just hear stories about the originals.

[proper barn]

most warframes have their memroies/perosnalities mostly wiped

[north ferry]

Even without minds, Warframes still have personalities and individuality.

[noble whale]

REVENATS AND ORIGINAL

[lean garden]

according to the KIM messages, theres always a holdover from the "original" in each copy, thats why we have stances

[glacial bough]

Most of the stories we hear are decidely not about the orginal frames

[proper barn]

Umbra was turned made to kill his own SOn and kept that as his only Memory @lean garden

[north ferry]

Yeah, that's what I was thinking of. It also vibes with the idea of transference also includes 'becoming' that which is transferred into.

[proper barn]

THEN PUT IN a MOON PRISON

[lament stirrup]

Yeah, but. The meeting with him ends with the Operator shooting him in the face since he's possessed by the Eidolons. So...

[proper barn]

he only gets out when we GET THE MOON ouT of the VOID

[lean garden]

Vinny calm down youre pinging random people now

[restive river]

My best guess is when we create a Warframe the foundry preinstalls a transference bolt that suppresses their consciousness, Umbra being a special case as the instructions for his bolt would have been unique
This means the Jade we create has her consciousness suppressed even though she’s based off of a non-suppressed frame
But that is just a theory based off observation

[proper barn]

oh lmao

didn't mean to ping you meant to ping @noble whale

that was my Bad i will take that L.

[lament stirrup]

I'm pretty sure the copies don't have a conciousness to begin with.

[noble whale]

Oh man couldn’t we just talked him out of it

[lament stirrup]

The Tenno were very much against mistreating the original warframes.

[glacial bough]

We know the frames we make are sapient. They're still sentient

[restive river]

Pretty sure they do, or rather some semblance of their personality is retained as we know thats where the idle anims come from

[noble whale]

Is the guy from the paradox a original warframe since he uses them?

[lament stirrup]

At that point he'd have spent at least a thousand years at the bottom of a lake being saturated in Eidolon energy. I'm not sure he had a mind to save

[north ferry]

they are sentient, but not sapient and yeah are probably supressed.

[restive river]

The Drifter is not a Warframe

[north ferry]

lol, not Sentient, sentient to clarifiy

[lament stirrup]

No, the Drifter is an alternate reality version of the Operator.

[proper barn]

yeah

that didn't get saved.

[restive river]

Which leads me to my foundry bolt theory :p

[noble whale]

I’m sure if he had a pet he would Change his mind

[lament stirrup]

The Revenant cosmetic bundle does imply he used to have a pet Kavat.

[restive river]

Kitty :]

[lament stirrup]

Kitty. 🤝

[restive river]

why don’t we have a kavat revenant skin???

[lean garden]

Kimty

[noble whale]

Oh in that case yeah killing ok if your pet dies

[restive river]

kipty

[restive river]

John Wickeframe

[noble whale]

Obviously there’s millions of players but how many cannon warframe are left?

[north ferry]

That way lies madness

[lean garden]

unknown number, probably not in the millions tho

[proper barn]

But @noble whale -We had created monsters we couldn't control. We drugged them, tortured them, eviscerated them... We brutalized their minds... but it did not work. Until they came "And it was not their force of will - not their Void devilry - not their alien darkness... it was something else. It was that somehow, from within the derelict-horror, they had learned a way to see inside an ugly, broken thing--and take away its pain.

This is like when we calm Umbra's mind and it's so good

cuz it's us helping Umbra accept his truma it's great.

[north ferry]

Literally the power of love and friendship

[noble whale]

Oh so we can take away the pain of original warframe to make it calm

[proper barn]

any

cuz Umbra isn't original.

[noble whale]

So who’s the bad guy in warframe the one that warframe were created to kill?

[proper barn]

But this is why the warframes listened to Us cuz of this reason.

[lament stirrup]

The Sentients.

[noble whale]

Cause we can take away the pain

[proper barn]

yee

the warframes where made without the tenno at first

they just didn't work until they where paired with the tenno.

[proper barn]

Sentients. then we killed the people that made us fight the senteints.

[noble whale]

Oh so we shot ourselves in the foot there

[proper barn]

no

the orokin where terrible.

Also the senteints where trying to wipe out the whole system.

[noble whale]

Wait when u first play warframe it says the warframe were sleeping for 1000 years does that mean volt Excalibur and nova I wanna say are also originals

[lament stirrup]

They are not.

[proper barn]

exacl was the first

[lament stirrup]

Also its Mag, not Nova.

[proper barn]

the other 2 ehh

1000 years ago was the old war

Which ended with us killing the orokin in the night of naga drums then going to sleep.

[noble whale]

So why did we wake up again ?

[proper barn]

To help the current system

[lament stirrup]

Lotus woke the Tenno because of the Grineer empire and Corpus killing civillians.

[proper barn]

cuz it's in quite a peril.

[noble whale]

Oh right, so I’m guessing the whole finding differnt warframeparts around the solar system is quite gory since they are technically humans

[proper barn]

eh

mostly infested flesh.

also we have the helminth for a reason.

[lament stirrup]

I'm pretty sure Ordis flst out states that Limbo's body was eviscerated and that's why his parts are scattered around the origin system.

[noble whale]

What’s that thing we inject or take off when we get new warframe sorry I’m really annoying I keep asking questions I’m sorry

[proper barn]

Helminth

It's the thing that makes the warframes and maintains them

you can even feed it warfarmes

with the diemos helminth segement.

[tall echo]

We only find blueprints

[proper barn]

we get these kind of questions all the time it's fun.

[lament stirrup]

If you mean the pink pimple, its a Helminth cyst transferred by Nidus. Its not intrinsic to every warframe, its just that an astounding amount of players never bother getting theirs cured and end up spreading it ti everyone else.
(Normally its meant to breed a unique type of Kubrow)

[proper barn]

but yeah Helmint is the infested strain the orokin harnessed to make warframes.

[noble whale]

OH CHEERS

[proper barn]

you can feed it warframes and unlock a whole system

if you get the diemos helminth segment.

also it's why we don't see like bullet holes in our frames

it maintains them.

[noble whale]

Oh sorry I know I sound new but I’m at the part where the lotus brother kidnapped hee or mindwiped hee

[noble whale]

Oh that’s a fair point I never noticed the bullet holes

[proper barn]

oh yeah the lotus is a sentient

did we talk about that?

[noble whale]

NO

[proper barn]

lmao

[noble whale]

WTF THE LOTUS OS A TRAITOR

[lament stirrup]

She's a highly developed Mimic, hence why she looks human.

[proper barn]

Kinda

also yeah She is a mimic queen.

[lament stirrup]

She betrayed the sentients because her original mission was to kill off the Tenno, but she refused after discovering they were children.

[proper barn]

That's where the mimics in the sacrifice come from.

Also she was meant to kill the orokin

which she did she just didn't kill the tenno after that.

[noble whale]

We are children but have grown up now?

[proper barn]

no?

[lament stirrup]

No the Tenno are still teenagers.

[proper barn]

i mean kinda but no yeah.

[north ferry]

Kinda... I mean presumably some time has passed and they've aged but they're still children as they were in the old war.

[proper barn]

they where put in cryo sleep or well the second dream

and then also to sleep.

[tall echo]

The dream pods were cryopods afaik

[proper barn]

sure

[lament stirrup]

The only known Tenno to succumb to old age is Rell, and even then its not clear if its because he wasn't in cryo stasis or because of him fighting the Man In The Wall for several centuries.

[proper barn]

probablyboth

[north ferry]

Yeah and do they physically age while in transferred? Because they would keep them younger even longer

[lament stirrup]

Since he was seemingly transferenced into the original Harrow and in the void that whole time.

[lament stirrup]

Its not clear. 😎

[north ferry]

Yeah, pretty much

[noble whale]

Wait so what happens to the sentients cause they didn’t straight away abduct the lotus it took awhile where they sleeping aswell or planning?

[tall echo]

He only "merged" with harrow once he felt like he was getting too old iirc

[tall echo]

Waiting

[proper barn]

hunhow has been "sleeping" well he pretened to be dead

During the old war.

But yeah if you haven't played the new war play the new war.

[lament stirrup]

Hunhow deliberatly let himself be rendered comatose as part of their plan, but Lotus opted to never wake him. Its not until Tyl Regor breaks open Hunhow's tomb and messes with his remains that the Sentients begin reawakening.

[proper barn]

Hunhow will tell you what he thinks about Erra and Ballas (a orokin even) messing with Lotus.

[tall echo]

He is pretty close to dead tbf

[proper barn]

true

@noble whale i think you would like playing the new war a bunch

[noble whale]

Sentients seem like quite unpleasant folks

[proper barn]

well

[noble whale]

Ty sm

[proper barn]

They just wanted to be left alone from the orokin.

[lament stirrup]

In their defense, they were retaliating against the Orokin, after coming to the entirely correct conclusion that they'd ruin Tau the way they did the origin system
Not that "wipe out all of humanity" is a reasonable solution.

[proper barn]

yeah

I think working with ballas was also a big mistake

that wasn't gonna turn out well.

[noble whale]

What is tau?

[proper barn]

a star system.

he is a orokin.

[lament stirrup]

Tau Ceti. A distant solar system that the Orokin wanted to terraform for human hability. Its based off a real solar system with (relatively) human friendly conditions.

[proper barn]

one of the last the one that turned Umbra into umbra and a bunch of other crimes.

many many crimes.

Tau was also the destination of the zariman

Oh i feel like we should say the Senteints where a orokin creation.

[noble whale]

Can we go to tau?

[proper barn]

no

[noble whale]

It’s pretty much creation killing creator ?

[proper barn]

yeah.

[lament stirrup]

Not in game, but the latest story beat suggests its going to be relevant to the next update. Though, its not clear if its going to be physically present or if its mention was just a metaphor for sentient activity.

[tall echo]

Currently it'd either take a long time or be very unsafe

[proper barn]

zariman REPAIR? HUH? no that's not what i think we will do

[tall echo]

I'm guessing tau is next after void war arc

[proper barn]

but it's funny to think about.

[noble whale]

Oh this is insane

The lore drop at 6 in the morning haha

[proper barn]

play the new war.

you'll like it.

[noble whale]

I Cant im mr9

[proper barn]

there is a MR lock on it?

[tall echo]

You can then

[noble whale]

No cause I need that paracis sword but I can’t craft it cause it’s mr10

[tall echo]

Last MR lock in progression is MR5 for a solar rail

[proper barn]

you don't need to Craft it @noble whale

[tall echo]

You don't need to build it

[proper barn]

see

[noble whale]

Wait

[lament stirrup]

If you're going to quit warframe, after finishing the New War is the best time for it, since its the climax of warframes first story arc.

[proper barn]

lmao yeah

if you want.

[noble whale]

I saw yt where the comment saying he needed to build it so after I built the necramech I never tried

[proper barn]

lmao

[tall echo]

Quitting wf in general is a shame ngl

[noble whale]

I’m gonna boot up my PlayStation in a hour

[lament stirrup]

The youtube comments are not a reliable source of information.

[proper barn]

https://tenor.com/view/arthur-buster-baxter-bunny-you-really-think-someone-would-do-that-go-on-the-internet-and-tell-lies-gif-17527378

[tall echo]

Ballas is the wall in the man

[proper barn]

Lmao

[noble whale]

WAIT SO

WHAT MISSION DO WE KILL REVANT

[proper barn]

mask of the revenat

[noble whale]

low-key wanna meet an original

[lament stirrup]

Mask fo the Lost One.

[proper barn]

a side quest.

[noble whale]

A side quest thats so wrong for revenat

[tall echo]

You only encounter his ghost

[noble whale]

Wait I think I did that then

Is it the one where you enter a ship and hee talking to you and it’s creepy

[lament stirrup]

Thats Rell.

[tall echo]

Or sevagoth

Probably rell tho

[lament stirrup]

Revenant is on the plains of Eidolon. He doesn't say anything during Mask of the Lost one because he's a hollowed out shell by that point.

[tall echo]

Well, harrow

[proper barn]

That's rell

He was holding down the man in the wall

Also he was jn harrow.

[tall echo]

That quest was quite the harrowing experience

[noble whale]

OH YH

THE MAN IN THE WALL U WERE TALKING ABOUT HIM SO HES OUR CREATOR

[proper barn]

Nah

[lament stirrup]

Well, he gave the tenno their powers, but they were ordinary children before they met the man in the wall

[proper barn]

Maybe.

[tall echo]

I'm running on like 4 hours of sleep that I got >12 hours ago

[proper barn]

Kinda

The Zariman hit something.

[tall echo]

No, that would be our parents

[proper barn]

It might have been him.

Also did you listen to the Albretch Stuff?

I guess if you didn't really do diemos you wouldn't have.

[noble whale]

Yh i did a lot of Deimos stuff

Only cause I wanted a vulphaphila thou

[proper barn]

Get the helminth segment

[lament stirrup]

The walls in Deimos' hidden room have a lot of information on the Man In The Wall.

[tall echo]

It still needs the ranks pre-witw afaik

[proper barn]

But here https://youtu.be/Es8uOniZzZI?si=pKPh9zEgcRx_QEbb

[proper barn]

Oh also the finger in the rail jack is from him.

It's what let's us hyper space jump.

[lament stirrup]

Its a copy of his, technically.
Since the Man In The Walls fingers can sporadically clone themsekves if not kept contained.
A fact which continues to horrify me.

[noble whale]

There’s a finger in my rail jack

[proper barn]

Yes

The big tube

[tall echo]

I should get the last few cephalon fragments I'm missing so I can finally listen to ordis' story after playing for about 4 years

[proper barn]

Oh yeah all Cephalons also used to be people

Smile

[noble whale]

Wait the man in the walls is a physical human

[lament stirrup]

Not quite.

[proper barn]

No

[tall echo]

No

[noble whale]

So how can he go in harrow

[tall echo]

That was rell

[proper barn]

Rell is in harrow

[lament stirrup]

He takes the forms of humans, but he doesn't have a conventional body.

[proper barn]

Or was

Also a normal human finger wouldn't let us hyper space jump

[tall echo]

Wally is a shapeless embodiment of the void

[proper barn]

Rell was actually holding Wally down basically.

Like he didn't effect the rest of the system until we free Rell.

[noble whale]

What in spirit fOrm technically

[proper barn]

Sure

[noble whale]

Wait where’s this tube with this guys finger

[proper barn]

Rj

[tall echo]

Near the entry toob

[noble whale]

Wait I got a decoration and it’s this guy talking to me when I tap it is taht a figurative of the man in the wall?

[tall echo]

[proper barn]

No

That's a Orokin trapped in a cephalon container.

All cephalons used to be people.

[tall echo]

That's a cephalonized orokin. Specifically the orokin that used to be in charge of making cephalons

[lament stirrup]

I think you're describing Nihil.
Hes an Orokin Executor that turned himself into a Cephalon to escape being killed by the Tenno.

[tall echo]

As smart as the rest of the orokin

[noble whale]

Couldn’t we just shatter the cephalon

[lament stirrup]

Yeah, but its funnier to keep him in a jar

[proper barn]

We aren't monsters

[tall echo]

Safer to keep him containef

[proper barn]

Incel in a Jar is way better

[tall echo]

I should sleep

[noble whale]

I swear we enter a base masssacre thousands and leave without elaborating

[lament stirrup]

New question, could Nihil Pull? 🫙

[proper barn]

No

[noble whale]

If he trapped himself why does he blame us for trapping him in there

[tall echo]

We're killing clones, robots and capitalism slavers

[tall echo]

He didn't trap himself

[proper barn]

Cuz we took him out of the weave and put him in a Jar.

[noble whale]

Oh nah he got put in a jar

[lament stirrup]

Its not clear if smashing the jar would even kill Nihil, since there's (almost) no canonical situations where a Cephalon has been killed.

[tall echo]

Nightwave still has the whole story of nihil

[noble whale]

Do we get the lotus back after new war

[lament stirrup]

Yes

[noble whale]

Or does she wanna kill us again

[lament stirrup]

Kind of

[tall echo]

Just play it

[noble whale]

Okie is it long thou

I gotta be at college by Thursday

[lean garden]

I thought you said you were halfway into TNW

[proper barn]

You can do it in a day

[lament stirrup]

3 to 6 hours. (The 6 hours is assuming you're terrible at stealth minigames)

[proper barn]

Or less.

[lament stirrup]

An astounding number of people struggle with simple stealth puzzles, as it turns out.

[noble whale]

If I can use my wukong im chilling

[tall echo]

You can't

Gotta git gud

[lament stirrup]

You don't get to use any warframes during the stealth segments

[noble whale]

Man it’s gonna take me atleast 8 hours

[tall echo]

99% of warframe players have no skill

[noble whale]

How can u have skill thou when majority have one shot weapons thou

[lament stirrup]

gestures at steel path.

and headshot builds

and whatever Ivara has going on

[tall echo]

I play soulsborne games for fun

I have external skill

[noble whale]

Is there a warframe out there tahts has like every ability like can run like guass split into clones I DONT MEAN PLAYABLE but like has it ever been mentioned or one existing

[tall echo]

No

[lament stirrup]

Arguably, the Stalker and his Acolytes.

They all display well past four abilities, each from a mix of different frames.

[noble whale]

THATS SICK

[tall echo]

They still have a very limited selection

[noble whale]

AND HE STILL GOT BEAT UP

[tall echo]

They have like 5 abilities at most

Stalker has a helminth ability, two ash abilities and one nyx ability, plus the weird sentient disco ball as shadow stalker

I have yet to see the acolytes actually do anything as I always stunlock or instakill them

[noble whale]

Oh so they like just warframe son Crystal crack

Just slightly better

[tall echo]

What

[proper barn]

I think the worst one is like

Or well strongest is frost.

The frost one*

[tall echo]

The most annoying one is the one that disables abilities

That acolyte just prolongs its own suffering

[lean garden]

the most annoying one is the one that mag bubbles myself

[lament stirrup]

The Frost Acolyte has Mags bubble and the Archwing drone summon, the Loki acolyte has Zephyr's turbelence, and the Limbo Acolyte can nullify abilities.

[tall echo]

I don't believe in ranged weapons so that's not a problem for me

[lament stirrup]

The Limbo acolyte also has Slash Dash and Ice Wave but those are fairly minor compared to nullification.

[proper barn]

That's the frost one

Also you can roll out of it btw

[lean garden]

Yea but its status effect is so hard to see so I usually blow myself up

[proper barn]

Also it does send back your own bullets and abilities I also blow myself up

So I know the pain.

[tall echo]

Laughs in can't aim

[proper barn]

If you can't aim it's worse

Cuz you will just die to your own AOe

[tall echo]

No, I only use melee because I can't aim

[lament stirrup]

I can't believe Valkyr has a discord account /j

[tall echo]

Sevagoth

I despise how fragile valkyr is

[proper barn]

She isn't that fragile now

But sure.

[noble whale]

BTW THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR ALL THE LORE IT REALKY MADE ME CONSIDER JOINGING THE FUN AGAIN

[lament stirrup]

We got another one, lads.

[tall echo]

I will change my opinion when someone can outlive my lavos with a valkyr without relying exclusively on her 4

[north ferry]

So the Entrati family is directly related to Albretch?

[tall echo]

Albrecht entrati

[lament stirrup]

If I had access to a functional PC right now, I'd take you up on that offer.

[noble whale]

Btw do any of you know this sigil I got a bp for it but it cost 1,000,000 to craft and it also needs ash systems and SMTH else

[tall echo]

Yk actually relying on her 4 is allowed I outlived that before

[lament stirrup]

Smoking Body? Its a rare drop from the Stalker.

[noble whale]

YUS THAT

[lament stirrup]

Its also incredibly expensive.

[tall echo]

Stalker drop, needs star chart completion to make

[lean garden]

Mother is Albrecht's daughter so yes

[proper barn]

Not G-ma or father

[north ferry]

Huh, that adds an aspect to his Loid situation and Grandmother's place. I didn't put that together

[proper barn]

Mother is his daughter

Who married father

Grandma is father's Mother.

[lament stirrup]

This isn't confusing at all. /j

[noble whale]

Does that mean every planet needs to be completed

[tall echo]

Yes

[proper barn]

Grandma isn't Albretchs wife

She's father's mom.

[tall echo]

Surprising that the one orokin family we encounter has no relatives married to each other. The orokin would absolutely do that

[lament stirrup]

To be fair, Albrecht is the one Orokin who appeared to have had ethical standards.

Which given everythings hes done, is astounding.

[tall echo]

Eeeeh

[noble whale]

Does anyone in the Deimos family die

[lament stirrup]

Not as of yet.

[proper barn]

No

[tall echo]

Son's fiance... during the initial orokin massacre

[proper barn]

Yeah

I guess that counts.

[tall echo]

I do not know how to spell that word

[proper barn]

She died during the night of Naga drums.

[lament stirrup]

Albrecht may no longer have a physical body, but thats complicated post-new war stuff.

[proper barn]

WELL

Ugh

[tall echo]

He absolutely does have one

[proper barn]

Ehhhhh

We could go down this road

[noble whale]

Wait the Deimos family has been around for 1000 years

[proper barn]

Longer probably

[tall echo]

At least

[proper barn]

Orokin would change bodies

That's like what the Queens are trying to do to us in War Within.

Also the Queens are Orokins in grinner bodies.

[tall echo]

No evidence against it, two evidence supports it

[lament stirrup]

I think the Entrati families longevity is a special case given their infestation

[proper barn]

They did change bodies before

Grandma mentions it.

[lament stirrup]

Although, Ballas having his original body may imply the Orokin had a non-body stealing method of extending their lifespans.

[proper barn]

They do like Albretch doesn't change his body. Just loid uses "lab grown flesh"

And stuff.

I think the Orokin just liked having "new" and "exotic" bodies.

What is the process called again?

[tall echo]

Continuity?

[proper barn]

Continunity

[upbeat glacier]

We didn't kill the orokin hard enough

[glossy mountain]

What's the deal with Umbra? Why is he the only one?

[digital grail]

Lore reason ballas is petty real reason basically an excal prime stand in but different

[glossy mountain]

Ah fair enough 😂

[gloomy anchor]

Don't our lines in 1999 hint that we get flashes from other frames as well?

Not as strong as umbra obviously

[graceful swan]

He isn't the only one

[gloomy anchor]

But we get feelings and flashes of stuff from them

We can mention it in the KIM messaging

[restive river]

Yes, all frames have their consciousness suppressed so they don’t go feral which also assists in it making it easier for us to control them

as-well as our “ability” of empathy and wanting to help them

I theorize that when we make a frame they’re installed with a transference bolt and thats what suppresses them, Umbra being special because his bolt is special

[graceful swan]

At this point he's not even the only sentient frame

[digital grail]

He's the only one that displays it in gameplay

[graceful swan]

Protoframes

[digital grail]

I meant mechanics geminis are only skins

[graceful swan]

Kullervo fight is gameplay

[digital grail]

You are surprisingly frustrating at times

[restive river]

Yes but he was a special case due to his bolt

He specifically had a special bolt that seemingly the other sapient frames did not have

Which would potentially align with my theory and explain why the Kullervo and Jade we make are not sapient

While high emotions and trauma do seem to be the catalyst for retaining sapience, if their consciousness is ultimately suppressed then nothing much comes from that

[hearty pewter]

Hey guys, did entrati took back the infestation in time or was that there already?

[digital grail]

He took back the helminth strain idk about techrot though

[hearty pewter]

I thought about it and I questioned it cuz if the tech rot is the base form of the infestation then why did it not infect machines in the old war?

[graceful swan]

They Hex were already Infested before he Infested them

[hearty pewter]

I know that

Oh wait then it explains the first question

[stray herald]

how do the corpus create more of themselves? normal sex or cloning like the grineer?

[graceful swan]

1999 is just the Plague Year

[hearty pewter]

Normal sex

[hearty pewter]

Thx

[stray herald]

do the cavia know more about the indifference than albrecht

[hearty pewter]

No I don't think so

They maybe have some instinctual ideas but that's all

[graceful swan]

They just know Voidtounge and Wally names and what Wally was doing at that current moment

[stray herald]

the cavia seems to know more about voidtongue since they do speak it before and after learning to speak English. therefore knows a lil bit more about wally

[hearty pewter]

They never learned english

[restive river]

They seem to maube understand the indifference a bit better but thats about it

[hearty pewter]

You have a tardis like translator field

Thanks to the chimera statue

[stray herald]

whereas al only pointed out a few of the vocabulary

[restive river]

The Cavia still speak voidtongue, the Jahu Gargoyle just translates actively

[graceful swan]

Cavia casually speaking English to us

[restive river]

Albrecht did not speak voidtongue

I mean
The reqiuems

[stray herald]

I wish we could have a portable jahu gargoyle

[restive river]

Actually he may know some voidtongue but not to the degree of the Cavia

[graceful swan]

He knows 9 Voidtounge stuff that's it

[hearty pewter]

Take a murmur enemy home its as good as you can get

[restive river]

I dont think it’d work for other languages, it isn’t designed for that

[stray herald]

exactly what I mean. he only has a small scope of voidtongue learnt, and as he has pointed out before that he doesn't know whether or not the language has any purpose or not

[stray herald]

you know what I mean

[graceful swan]

Some people think Orokin isn't actually just English changed

[restive river]

mfw it is

[stray herald]

corpus sounds french

[hearty pewter]

Everything is english but mutated

[restive river]

mfw like every language in this game is just english but changed

[graceful swan]

Don't we canonically speak Orokin

[restive river]

Yes

[stray herald]

yes

[hearty pewter]

As far as I know

[restive river]

Because it became the dominant language and they ruled over us

[graceful swan]

I wonder if Sentients have a language

[restive river]

Binary?

[graceful swan]

Voidtounge is the only one we don't know

[restive river]

We know 8

[graceful swan]

9

[restive river]

Maybe 9 if we’re right about “Mara”

We don’t know the translation of Oull

[humble sierra]

I wonder if English alphabet text exists canonically or if it's just Orokin alphabet translated for the sake of the player

[hearty pewter]

Binary

[graceful swan]

Isn't Oulls translation exactly what it says?

[restive river]

No?

Like we know Ris is Light for example

We don’t know what Oull means

We have the associated piece of the reqiuem poem attached to each reqiuem mod but that’s not a translation of the word

[humble sierra]

I feel like "Possibility" is a potential translation but of course until we get official word it could be anything

which is another potential translation-- "Anything"

[restive river]

Could even be “All” since that sounds similar :p

My point is we don’t know

And we have a safer guess with “Mara”

[graceful swan]

Oull will be revealed one day

[restive river]

Maybe

It was made as a gameplay mechanic not as part of the main 8

[humble sierra]

I feel like we won't ever get a full explanation to the void shenanigans until long after we've dealt with MITW

[graceful swan]

I'm prying it Oull out of Wally

[restive river]

Or alongside dealing with him

[digital grail]

Oull is probably everything or some crap just with how the mod functions

[sweet nexus]

guys, do we have any lore explained video for a whole piece, i looked for it but all vid on youtube are old ones and still no updates even for the 1999 event

[modest totem]

Which one roughly translates to time

[graceful swan]

Khra

[modest totem]

Danke

If it was Lohk I would have found my new name for Legend of Zelda playthroughs lol

[graceful swan]

https://youtu.be/5ekJpbdRz4Y?si=S-7vaWAYkBu5wX7K

This is as trusted as you'll get rn

Alternatively, you can read the lore on https://www.orokinarchives.com/

[upbeat glacier]

https://youtu.be/2rwPDfmcCrY?si=aOEMcta0izcqhoMj

Corpus and Grineer in a nutshell

From what I've seen

They hate each other which is ironic considering they're both victims of orokin greed

[north ferry]

Kinda, I'm mean there's been an unspecified long time between the fall of the orokin and current origin.
Their opposition is pretty rooted in their desire for dominance more than any sort of personal dislike.

[silk atlas]

Everyone is, they're not special.

[long bramble]

does anyone understand how the modern warframe replicas are made?

[graceful swan]

Foundry 3D printing

[north ferry]

Pretty much

[manic horizon]

How aren't the grineer one of the most powerful forces, they have transference blockers of they just sell them to everyone else the tenno would be screwed wouldn't they?

[chilly iron]

They don't like "everyone else" either

[graceful swan]

What Transference blockers?

[feral cape]

The zariman unique enemy

[manic horizon]

If they could develop transference blockers what us stopping them from drilling them into our suits or something

[graceful swan]

A simple answer to this could just be the issue of them only using them in one place then

[long bramble]

[north ferry]

There's a lot of anti Tenno tech about. Nullifiers too. The most common anti tenno tech is guns but that doesn't stop them does it.

[graceful swan]

By the time they've drilled in we teleport in and beam them in the face