lore-discussion

[proper barn]

Like there's a Reason Margulis hated the orokin.

All the warframe stories and like lore we get about the orokin they are terrible.

[quartz sky]

Didn't they do a body mod to live forever too?

[proper barn]

Like Ballas turns out to be the mega villain and not the sentients really. (Though still kinda)

[quartz sky]

Albrecht did something so he didn't live forever

[proper barn]

They can live a long time.

[humble pawn]

what were the tenno originally

[proper barn]

He refuses to "take more kuva"

[proper barn]

Normal kids on the Zariman

Until thee accidnet that happens there.

[humble pawn]

what race of people

orokin?

[proper barn]

Orokin isn't a race

That's what I'm telling you.

[humble pawn]

oh right theyre blue or something

[humble sierra]

I just specified the Lotus one because it seemed to be the best look at Ordan Karris

[proper barn]

No?

[proper barn]

They are only BLUE CUS THEY COLOR THEMSELVES BLUE

[quartz sky]

Look up Albrechts full name on wikipedia

[proper barn]

They are literally normal people that say they are important.

[humble sierra]

Orokin’s a class, not a species— they physically modify their bodies to be blue and have long arms because it was fashionable at the time

[quartz sky]

And see if you see anything familiar

[proper barn]

Like Orokin is just a ruling Ruiling Class.

[humble pawn]

ohhh

so then whats the default species every one is, is it just human?

[proper barn]

Yes

Orokin are normal humans

They are just the ruling class.

[humble pawn]

and the cetus guys is just a city on earth?

[restive river]

Its all humans all the way down

[proper barn]

Or were.

[humble sierra]

There aren’t any aliens in Warframe, all factions are derived from human

Besides the infestation which are derived from disease probably

[humble pawn]

and sentients are just sentient robots?

[proper barn]

Ostrons are a culture yeah.

[humble sierra]

Yep

[woven coyote]

made by humans yeah

[humble pawn]

crazy stuff

[proper barn]

True AI. Made by the Orokin originally.

[humble pawn]

they got big ships

[restive river]

Techno-organic

[tall echo]

They're all basically the same

[humble sierra]

Some have Ordis, some have Ordan

[humble pawn]

so sentinels are technically cephalons or nah

[restive river]

The most alien thing in Warframe are the void entities and those exist due to humans as well

[proper barn]

Cephalon aren't true AI

[quartz sky]

Watch the Alien movies and Prometheus

[tall echo]

First few have ordis

[proper barn]

Cephalons used to be people
@humble pawn

[restive river]

Sentinels are potentially derived from sentients, so more AI

[quartz sky]

There is no AI

[humble pawn]

ohhh ok

[humble sierra]

Nah, sentinels are just robots, Cephalons are humans who essentially have their brains scanned and programmed.

[restive river]

I’ve seen Alien
The Infested aren’t alien though, just techno-organic

[proper barn]

Becoming a cephalon was a punishment

[humble pawn]

ok i havent gotten to this part of the story yet

[tall echo]

There is AI but cephalons aren't A, just I

[humble sierra]

Cephalons are capable of piloting Sentinels, though

[quartz sky]

No I mean techno organic

[proper barn]

You have though.

[restive river]

Sentients are true AI
And the Corpus have robotic proxies that are simple AI

[quartz sky]

Techno organic isn't a style of sci many people see

[restive river]

Well, any robotic proxy body :p

[humble sierra]

They don’t actually outright say it in any story quest, I think. It’s just in lore fragments around the maps. The closest thing is the Octavia Quest.

[humble sierra]

Ordis Necramech when

[restive river]

The most we have on sentinels is they’re maybe sentients, just simpler

[humble pawn]

ohhh ok

[proper barn]

Yeah ones on the edge of space.

Where the sentients started their journey

[restive river]

Think sentient dogs

[quartz sky]

Some of them have like, PTSD and weird quirks beyond computer. It's hard for me to see them as just subservient beings

[restive river]

Reduced intelligence and friendly

[quartz sky]

Which is where the war started lol

[proper barn]

@humble pawn But yeah the Orokin where the aggressors In the old war.

[restive river]

The Sentients waged war because they wanted to keep their terraformed home of Tau, didn’t want the Orokin to get their grubby hands on it and ruin another good thing

[proper barn]

I think the war started in tau

Is still my long shot guess.

[restive river]

It sounded like Tau started the war

[proper barn]

And then moved to the origin system cuz the Sentients where just beating them up so hard.

[humble sierra]

Tau started the war because they didn’t want the Orokin to drain Tau’s resources like they did the Origin system’s

[quartz sky]

I think it comes back to the main theme is you can't own people.

[restive river]

Which maybe Orokin propaganda
Hard to know for sure
Doesn’t really matter who started it

[proper barn]

Like the warframes join the war when the war is basically lost.

[restive river]

I def side with the sentients, though I do not approve of them killing the innocent for their cause

[proper barn]

Like the sentients are in the Origin system.

Just on our Doorstep knocking.

All our counter attacks haven't worked.

[quartz sky]

Fortuna, the clones, the cephalons, the Warframe, all of them were people who were seen as less than by the upper class and used

[proper barn]

Also the Sentients like took over all the super weapons.

Like they literally where about to lose everything.

[quartz sky]

Or they were already built in

Which is very destiny of them lol

[proper barn]

Yeah the sentients flaw and wrong doing was trying to wipe out all human life.

[quartz sky]

I think the drifter/operator could work something out diplomatically, especially now that we have a relationship with hunhow

[restive river]

I’m all for them having Tau and being free, but they crossed a line with killing the innocent and claiming all of humanity are the same as the Orokin

[proper barn]

Yeah

[quartz sky]

Yeah punishing the peons for the war crimes of the upper class isn't it

[restive river]

The next big thing does seem to be Tau, though Wally is involved so we’ll see if diplomacy is even an option

[proper barn]

I think like Tau proper they are over 1000 YEARS REMOVED from this stuff. I don't think they care.

[quartz sky]

That's what I think too!

[restive river]

I would kill for a sentient syndicate ngl

[humble pawn]

the wordplay in WF is nuts cuz oro means gold and kin means kid or relative in some cases so its the kids of gold

[quartz sky]

Let's go and find out lol

There's so much of it

[proper barn]

If we go to tau I think we would help sentients and maybe help in like a civil war or even just the sentients fight back Wally.

[proper barn]

Or people of gold.

The tenno aren't Orokin.

[restive river]

Agreed, it depends on the situation though

[quartz sky]

He might promise them organic physical forms with void powers or something crazy

Try to cut another deal

They might empathize with Wally since he also experienced violence at the hands of an orokin

So it might be us versus Wally and sentients

But the whole side quest with Kahl night show the sentients our true colors

Kahl is kind of our mascot now lol

[humble pawn]

i wish they did more with kahl and veso in new war

[proper barn]

their is more Kahl stuff

[humble pawn]

oh cool

[proper barn]

after the new war.

[humble sierra]

Veso though… ||dead-dead||.

[brittle siren]

Take this a a grain of salt, but my headcanon that Arthur is Umbra ancestor

the Dax I mean

[stiff fable]

Not possible, Arthur originally would have died to the infestation

And now he's caught in a time loop

[brittle siren]

isnt the end of Finale said that history enter a new course? The Loop is not permanent y'know?

[stiff fable]

No, it is permanent for the Hex

For them at least the year resets and they don't continue outside it

[brittle siren]

beside the Coda exist in the future further proof that it indeed keep going and the past has change

[stiff fable]

The techrot isn't part of the loop, and they originally survived the reactor going nuclear too

[brittle siren]

or idk, if even Arthur does not have any child, his relative may still alive out there

[brittle siren]

but they isnt exist rn

until ofc 1999

[stiff fable]

They kinda do, as part of the infested Hivemind

DE's retroactively making the techrot the reason that the infestation says certain lines

[brittle siren]

I mean the stadium and the Techrot clearly still roaming in the RJ trailer

they are not normal current infested

[stiff fable]

No, I'm talking about Phorid and Lephantis

They paraphrase certain lines from Party of Your Lifetime

[brittle siren]

isnt both made by Orokin as a war weapon lmao

[stiff fable]

No, the infestation was repurposed as a bioweapon

But the hivemind remembers

[brittle siren]

yes, but you said those 2, and I specically said those TWO only

[stiff fable]

Either way, no

[brittle siren]

they both made directly by Orokin

[stiff fable]

No

Especially not Phorid

[past halo]

The Orokin didn't exist in 1999

[brittle siren]

so the Lotus is lying

[brittle siren]

so does Lephantis

[stiff fable]

The Lotus doesn't know everything

Even she only knows what Margulis knew about Old Earth

[brittle siren]

wdym, she literally hold most info from Orokin time

[stiff fable]

The Orokin destroyed information. Margulis was a highly ranked Archimedean but she wouldn't have that destroyed information.

[past halo]

How does a flesh monster made from several Grineer and Corpus exist in the same timeline as a horde of zombies made of CRT monitors and cables

[stiff fable]

Do you understand what a hive mind is in this case

[brittle siren]

just a friendly reminder, that Margulis died before old war

[past halo]

The Old War happened long after 1999

[stiff fable]

Right, so the Lotus would have even less info about certain things

Like how the infested hivemind carries memories from 1999

[brittle siren]

I'm talking about your logic that they related to NATURAL creation, but in fact they specially created (or modified) by Orokin like Warframe

[stiff fable]

I actually never said they were natural

[brittle siren]

hivemind is not my main point

[stiff fable]

No but it's the important point here

The hivemind has the memories of 1999

[brittle siren]

what my point is, Techrot do not exist anymore in the future, they transform into infested

[stiff fable]

.... they're the SAME THING

[brittle siren]

then why they do not use Techrot enemy, until us go back to the past

[stiff fable]

The exact same thing, the technocyte virus

Because the 1999 forms are weaker than the modern forms

Worse materials, worse technology

[brittle siren]

and yet the "hivemind" reuse them

[past halo]

And before you say it again, no. The Orokin did not. Create. The Techrot.

[brittle siren]

can you shut up, you clearly not understanding

[stiff fable]

Yeah, that's the bit that you change from the failing the techrot injection

[brittle siren]

what I mean here, why the hivemind suddenly reuse the Techrot form

which like you said, much weaker than current time Infested

[stiff fable]

From what they showed in the Tennocon trailer, you failing the coda worm injection leads to a package of "memories" sticking together in the hivemind

[humble pawn]

hi guys I'm bopp bipp

[stiff fable]

And popping out in the future as the Technocyte Coda

[brittle siren]

even "memories" like you said, why?

[stiff fable]

Like I said, failed coda virus injection

It was taken out from the actual release, but there's supposed to be a mechanic where you can summon techrot to fight alongside you, like Eleanor does during the quest

You do it by playing the "snake" minigame during a mission.

Failing gets you the infested lich, the Technocyte Coda

That should be added back in this month

[past halo]

Actually you have to use a certain data disc and win the Snake game to create the Technocyte Coda

[brittle siren]

still, the actual reason why techrot still in current time is really unexplained

maybe we have to wait Coda update

[stiff fable]

It's because you make the hack and mess up

It's not going to be more complicated than that, the early infestation gets an extra bit of data from you and comes calling in the future

[past halo]

It doesn't say you have to mess up in the Technocyte Coda retrospective tab

[stiff fable]

It did during the Tennocon showing

Maybe they chose to change that tho'

[humble sierra]

I feel like messing up was just the Tennocon showing because it was more compelling, it’s weird for anything “good” like potential Coda weapons to come out of “failing” something

[stiff fable]

ha, true

[brittle siren]

also I heard that someone in the Hex said "the Mother" of the techrot

[past halo]

"If you're free from an Adversary and you enter 1999 gameplay, Infested enemies will have a chance to drop a unique item after being killed. Pick it up and bring it to a virus-riddled PC to run the Technocyte-Coda.exe command! Complete a quick Hacking Puzzle to officially run the .exe, and from there, Tenno will continue the process once they’ve extracted from their Mission."

[brittle siren]

yeah the chance to drop is kinda not good

maybe that's why they changed it

(delayed it)

[stiff fable]

They delayed it because all the adversary systems break the game in fun ways

[brittle siren]

well yeah but I dont think the only reason tbh

[stiff fable]

The original lich system was really buggy

[brittle siren]

there prob RJ bug too

[stiff fable]

they should bring it back

let liches take over the entire system again

[past halo]

Can we wait until the homunculus boy band get released and then you can give your honest opinion

[stiff fable]

I like being able to buy weapons directly

[brittle siren]

what I mean is, while Kuva Lich and Sister has consitent way of spawn, that kind of mechanic make it more tedious to find a lich

[stiff fable]

Sporothrix my beloved

[brittle siren]

what if they never drop any

[stiff fable]

Said no one ever

[brittle siren]

that's my point

[past halo]

Again: wait until they're released, then you can review them

[stiff fable]

The big issue with the current lich system is that there are too many weapons in the pool

They ought to be split so that early planets create half the weapons and later planets create the other half

[past halo]

To be fair you don't need all of the Adversary weapons, just like you can have both the regular and the custom models

[brittle siren]

I need them because for MR

I'm now out of market weapon already

[stiff fable]

I can't hit LR5 without the last few Kuva weapons

[brittle siren]

teach me how to go MR30, because I out of option

[humble sierra]

Robot companions

[past halo]

When you've reached the big leagues MR isn't that much of an issue

[humble sierra]

Give you 9k each (6k for the companion, 3K for the weapon)

[stiff fable]

Real talk: companions and vehicles

Archwings and K-Drives

[humble sierra]

DAMN even the primes

[stiff fable]

Time to learn how to skateboard

[humble sierra]

Have you got every single base Warframe?

[past halo]

This is why I never cared about mastery rank lmao

[brittle siren]

archwing is slight problem: the archwing weapon (parts and xp) is hard to farm, I only have Odo Prime and Elytron left

[brittle siren]

only Gyre and Equinox left

[humble sierra]

I need MR30 for the riven slots 🎰

[brittle siren]

Prime I also only have a few left

[stiff fable]

Odonata is available right now thanks to Volt prime resurgence

[past halo]

Anyway yeah are we talking gameplay in the lore channel, let's pack up

[brittle siren]

I can't buy it with aya though 😭

unless I buy 1

from someone

anyway beside Elytron and Bonewidow is crafting, I only have these left

and that vent kid not selling the runway is insane

[past halo]

Okay point made, off to #warframe-general now

[humble pawn]

how strong is gauss in the lore compared to other frames

[lean garden]

About the same really

Gauss has not much lore except for going on buddy rides with his bestie grendie

[quartz sky]

I really enjoy slight dialogue changes with factions and such. As much I hate sludging through the necralisk, it's cool watching the family get fleshed out

[restive river]

Doesnt he have a leverian :?

[lean garden]

Thats his buddy ride with bestie grendie

[restive river]

Right
I need to go through the leverians again :p

[sage moat]

How rich is Cephalon simaris if he could maintain the simulacrum but drusus couldn't maintain the leverian with tenno backing

[restive river]

Simaris’ situation may be different

[sage moat]

Like he owns everything needed to maintain the simulacrum?

[restive river]

Perhaps what he does is more profitable than a museum

[proper barn]

He's kinda got his own pike faction and sentientals that work with him.

Also all his stuff is digital.

[restive river]

So is Drusus’

[proper barn]

Ehhhhhh

[restive river]

Why ehhh??
It’s a digital museum in the weave

[stiff fable]

I think Drusus is collecting the actual artifacts though

Which is where the problem is with the collection and his expenses

[restive river]

Also just keeping the lights on

Power is required for a server to run

[limber pulsar]

not a lot of scifi media goes into how data preservation is still really hard in the longterm when its digital

[chrome rivet]

I assume why there are Grineer defectors like the Steel Meridians is because their own utterly...f'd up genetics messed with their programming, correct?

[stiff fable]

Sometimes. Other times it's the brainwashing breaking due to stress or trauma, getting outside the Grineer bubble and embracing that instead, or a dozen other factors

It's pretty similar to how real life propaganda victims can break the programming

[chrome rivet]

Hmm yeah fair enough. Kahl probably killed hundreds of people before the New War

But quit after realising the Queens never truly cared for them

[stiff fable]

In a word

[feral cape]

The only frame we have a relative power rating on is chroma

And he's "one of the strongest"

[glossy mountain]

Is The Dark Sector game related to the lore of this game still?

[glacial bough]

It never was

[glossy mountain]

Really? Thought it was

[glacial bough]

No, unrelated from the start

[glossy mountain]

But the dude was called Tenno and pretty much Excalibur 🤣

[proper barn]

cuz it was a warframe prototyped Retooled for a early 2000s gritty 3rd person shooter.

[glossy mountain]

Ah just looked it up and they just took concepts from it when making Warframe

[proper barn]

we got of those then.

[glossy mountain]

I loved Dark Sector I thought it was a Decent game

[proper barn]

oh no

bud

that feels like you telling me your favorite restraunt is a chilies.

[glossy mountain]

I got the Proto Excalibur skin as soon as I could when it came out

😂 no idea what a chilies is but guessing that's bad

[proper barn]

no E

A Chili's

[glossy mountain]

I thought is was a pretty good game and cool concept

Still no idea 🤣 I'm from UK

[proper barn]

it is fine and fun.

but it's the like 5/10est game ever.

[proper barn]

OH i know y'all have a fish and chips chain.

It has a dumb name.

[glossy mountain]

That's what got me to play Warframe all them years ago

[proper barn]

ACTUALLY

i have a better example.

It's like saying your favorite icecream is Mr.Whippy

[glossy mountain]

I had to design a veggie takeaway in highschool and I called it Take my Veg away and it had a Carrot and two tomatoes to look like genitals 😂

[proper barn]

Mr.Whippy is bad to mid i'm sorry to tell you Josh.

[glossy mountain]

Yo proper Mr.Whippy is the best

[proper barn]

it's not

SEE YOU ARE DOING THE THING

You have only ever had mid

[glossy mountain]

🤣

[proper barn]

you don't understand when it's really good.

Darksector is cool and fun though.

it just is like average 2000s shooter game.

[restive river]

I gotta get past the intro someday

[restive river]

I literally saw an old PC, pointed at it and said “woah look its warframe 1999 :D”
then closed the game lmao

[proper barn]

that's iconic

[restive river]

[dire mountain]

I mean yeah in the sense it's about heartbreak and moving on it is about love

[glad forge]

Interesting lore

[glossy mountain]

Yeah sorry about that

[glad forge]

Ngl it made me giggle a bit haha

[glossy mountain]

I actually got a B overall for that project 😂

[glad forge]

Bloody legend 😂

[glossy mountain]

Thanks 😂

[proper barn]

Mr.Whippy being bad is important lore.

[proper barn]

Wait what is a veggie takeaway here?

Some on your slang still ain't makin a lick of sense.

[glossy mountain]

A Vegetarian takeaway

Just did it for a graphics design project so I could make the logo look like gentials 😂

[proper barn]

TAKEAWAY as a type of food place

I hate this slang.

It's a "takeaway place"

But we also takeout

Not take away lmao.

Also the most takeout places I can think of are like pizza or sandwich places.

[glossy mountain]

Nah we have everything in UK we are lazy 🤣

[proper barn]

Lul

[glossy mountain]

Indian, Chinese, Pizza, Italian, Mexican you name it we probably have one

[proper barn]

Anyway lore

[glossy mountain]

So what's the lore on Grendel and Gauss? Are they the only team up of Warframe we know off?

[proper barn]

we have a bunch of country buffets and Mexican restaurants vus it's the US south. Anyway actual lore.

[proper barn]

They where made together

To ward off fears of "defeat"

[glossy mountain]

Ah sweet, love Grendel

[proper barn]

Like a 1 2 punch to make the Orokin higher ups feel better.

Which I could see why they where scared like literally when the tenno/warframes started like being put into the new war the sentients where basically just walking past the finish line.

Like they where at the door step. Taking over the system basically.

[graceful swan]

Higher-ups did not exist for Executors

[proper barn]

Well

I should say the other 7

Or just Orokin as the whole

Cuz Ballas does have to like have at least the others of the 7 like agree with him.

[old dome]

iirc grendel was made bc ballas was like "oh you got bored of the usual frames? ok then. heres a cannibal." to... whoever he was talking to in grendel's trailer (i think its the prime trailer) & then he went "oh also heres his speedster best friend" about gauss.

theyre the dynamic duo of wf.

[glossy mountain]

Love them both

[patent frigate]

The best duo of all time imo

[graceful swan]

We are losing this war, you say. You whisper that my Warframes are too genteel. Very well. Away with chivalry. Let us have monsters.

The law of club and belly, hunger and smoke. Beasts of cave and glut. I spread for you a cannibal feast. A toast, to the valor of mere appetite! You tremble! But the drool is on your chins.

For you birthed him, in all his innocent obscenity. This... is what you ordered. Grendel.

We... are not done. Our gourmet, Grendel, demands a gallant equal.

Lightning to his gastric thunder. A livid energy. Meteoric as messenger of long-forgotten Gods.

Between these two, the unspeakable, and the inescapable, there must be no more talk of defeat.

For thankless eyes shall be seared blind in the heat of HIS passing. Gauss.

[obtuse vine]

who wrote the pom2 story recaps? who was spying on us this whole time?

[faint spear]

one of the recaps has some text saying the pom2 is there to serve A. Entrati, suggesting that pom2 has some kind of self-aware code, that it is an AI that has been writing the recaps in service of A. Entrati.

Could have been monitering us through the Loid construct

[dark saddle]

Canonically, how powerful would a warframe wielding 5 of the infinity stones be?

[wide ravine]

Not too powerful since you’re still missing the power stone

[dark saddle]

Sure, but a tenno with unparalleled mobility/travel speed and intelligence along with the ability to manipulate reality and time would strike fear even to Narmer during it’s golden age 😭

[sly ibex]

We already struck fear in the heart of Narmer just by existing.

[frosty latch]

how do i get the good ending in the hex quest?

[raw stone]

"[...] you whisper that my warframes are too gentile*"

Is... is genteel a word.

[graceful swan]

characterized by exaggerated or affected politeness, refinement, or respectability.

[raw stone]

OH MY GOD IT'S GENTIEL

[sly ibex]

Just keep playing. 😄

[frosty latch]

screw the power stone , you can manipulate time and control souls ... what more do you want?

[raw stone]

Anyway, phonetic bs

[frosty latch]

do what?

[silk atlas]

Get Liked (Requires Rank 3 Hex faction) with all of them.

[chilly iron]

Thank you for making me imagine Ballas with one of those jewish skullcaps XD

[sage moat]

did nezha get waframified as a child

were children warframified? because if so that speaks immeasurably to the quality of warrior nezha would've been had he grown up as a dax, but also thats horrible

[sly ibex]

We don't know if Nezha was, for sure. As far as kids, I wouldn't put it past Ballas at all.

Dax? He wouldn't have to be a Dax.

[sage moat]

that is true. iirc most warframes (or at least, what should be most warframes) were dax, "We took our greatest, volunteers or no" and varzia's line, but we also know several were just people ballas thought it would be funny to mess with

sidenote idk if people have heard that varzia line, it goes like "No matter whose wearing them, it always feels like seeing an old friend" which is heartbreaking

[sly ibex]

Not most. We don't know how many. The only confirmed is Excalibur Umbra.

[sage moat]

yeah but i feel like reasonably you can assume it was mostly the strong warrior class that got turned into the strong warrior meat robots

maybe thats just veering too hard into headcanon but it makes sense to me

[lean garden]

Its not necessarily true, since we only really know 2 dax turned warframes and both were unorthodox situations

[raw stone]

A lichtiger hannukah.

[raw stone]

True. Umbra and Dagath.

[frosty latch]

done , now , wtf is the sequence?

[silk atlas]

That was it, that was the sequence

[frosty latch]

and what is the big statue in the Sanctum Anatomica?

[graceful swan]

Vessel

[silk atlas]

The same ones from Whispers.

[frosty latch]

yes , what are they?

i understand nothing after defeating ballas

loid was frozen for some reason , and entrati told us to detonate the nuke , but we end up stopping it

[raw stone]

Fair. Whispers is the prologue to the void war.

[frosty latch]

the what now?

[proper barn]

They warframified a fetus. But we don't have any confirmation about Nezha being younger but early-late teen wouldn't be out of the question.

[frosty latch]

damn

[raw stone]

Oh boy.... okay uh... Warframe has Arcs. The first Arc, ... was that ended at New War or War Within?

[proper barn]

The Void Arch is Zariman foward but Whispers was the real start to it.

[silk atlas]

Warframe, but big. Entrati made them to "fight" Wally.

[raw stone]

I wanna say New War, while Duviri Spiral, Angels, Whispers, and 1999 were all Void War Arc.

Think of New War as being an ending to Operator's arc and the beginning to Drifter's arc.

[proper barn]

Loid went put to sleep so he could wake up and help us.

[frosty latch]

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOH

does that mean we get to control those huge robots?

also , do they have infested corpses inside?

[proper barn]

They are Infested inside

[frosty latch]

help us complete the sequence , right?

[frosty latch]

bruh

[proper barn]

You see the organs and werid Infested bits in the labs.

[frosty latch]

what labs?

[proper barn]

Like it's a Lotta metal still hut all the fleshy bits are Infested.

[proper barn]

Oh the tile of whispers.

[proper barn]

I call it the labs cus that's what they call it cuz its Albretchs labs.

[raw stone]

Sir the place you are in

[frosty latch]

the Sanctum Anatomica?

[wide ravine]

I believe it was awakening to vor’s prize as the awakening arc, then the new strange to war within as the war within arc, then sacrifice to new war as the new war arc, then whispers and after as the void war arc

[raw stone]

Big fancy word saying Sacred Place of Anatomy.

[frosty latch]

so ... wally is bad because?

[raw stone]

or, The Labs

[frosty latch]

and we want to kill him because?

also , wtf is the indifference?

[graceful swan]

Wally

[raw stone]

Okay so it's not super noticeable and playing devil's advocate (hahah) shows that Wally is a chaotic being. Not evil nor good, just chaotic.

[silk atlas]

Good question. We don't know, but him making a lot of children kill their parents isn't exactly a patron saint.

[wide ravine]

Because he’s a jerk. Also turned all the adults on the zariman into murderous “angels” and forced the children to kill to survive so that it could learn

[raw stone]

But several notes and bits from the KIM Chats reveal several things about the Drifter's childhood.

[silk atlas]

Same answer.

[silk atlas]

Wally.

[frosty latch]

😱

[raw stone]

I won't say... what gets revealed because:

[frosty latch]

he did the zariman incident ?

[wide ravine]

Yup

[frosty latch]

okay , totally needs to be murdered

but then again , what is up with the deal we made with him?

[graceful swan]

The Tenno has been made aware of Rell, a fellow Tenno who was outcast by his peers.

Rell had voluntarily assumed the duty of keeping the Origin System safe from a Void-based entity referred to as 'The Man In The Wall'.

With Rell's death, that responsibility has now transferred to the Tenno.

xx CRITICAL DEVELOPMENT xx

'The Man In The Wall' is identical with the entity known to us as 'The Indifference'.

Albrecht Entrati is ultimately responsible for attracting its attention to the Origin System.

Albrecht Entrati may be ultimately responsible for its existence.

Parameter confirmed. The Tenno is the Chosen Operator. We await the correct moment to activate the Kalymos Sequence.

Continuing to monitor.

[chilly iron]

And in another time he saved everyone BUT the Drifter, and they were trapped in the void for thousands of years

[silk atlas]

We get: Zariman children saved
Wally gets: ??????????

[wide ravine]

It’s not entirely clear yet, but the operator got cool void powers out of it

[graceful swan]

Find out when you find out

[chilly iron]

I guess the Operator didn't give him what he wanted, since he says we squelched on the deal

[frosty latch]

and what is the sequence?
stopping the nuke?

[frosty latch]

bruh

[graceful swan]

1999 is the Kalymos Sequence part 2

[frosty latch]

what an age gap with the hex😂

[wide ravine]

Presumably getting albrecht out of 1999 without the indifference winning and/or saving the hex

[chilly iron]

Also getting Drifter the Transference link to the Vessel

That was the end goal I think

[frosty latch]

so albrecht is stuck in 1999 , and we saved him?

[graceful swan]

No

[wide ravine]

Kind of, he used the nuke’s energy in the original quest to get out of the time loop

[graceful swan]

Play the quest and find out tbh

[faint spear]

that's the thing though, playing the quest doesn't give answers, it gives some pretty animations and poetry

[frosty latch]

i just finished the hex finale

[frosty latch]

then , after saving the hex , what does that accomplish?

the loop is still there

[wide ravine]

I have no idea

[frosty latch]

and albrecht is gone

[graceful swan]

Yes

[faint spear]

Albrecht is in the giant vessels, putting his hand to Loids cheeks

[frosty latch]

i'm assuming albrecht wants to correct the mess he made

[chilly iron]

Presumably we're keeping vigil in this important time to make sure Mr Wall doesn't break in again
For now

[wide ravine]

Yup

[frosty latch]

so what is stopping him?

[chilly iron]

(And we just discovered pizza, I'd wanna enjoy that too for a bit)

[faint spear]

Every cycle Mr Wall remembers more and more from the last cycles.

[frosty latch]

is the sequence supposed to defeat wally?
what is the sequence , and what is it's purpose?

[raw stone]

I'm gonna be real: I think Albrecht is trying to fix his mistakes but he canNOT get over himself and being such an indifferent pos.

[gusty sky]

Can anyone give me a warframe for free

[faint spear]

The sequence is completed when you get to the good ending, that was its goal.

[frosty latch]

which is?
stopping the nuke?

[faint spear]

The goal is to teach Wally about friendship and love.

[wide ravine]

Mostly just stopping wally

[chilly iron]

Making the connection with the hex so they don't die, Wallace is stopped, Albrecht gets to run again, Drifter gets real friends/family for the first time, and the Vessel now has a pilot

[faint spear]

Wally cannot be stopped, only delayed. Rell delayed him for milennia, but grew tired of it and we replaced him.
The Lotus dealyed him for a little while by letting him consume her.

[lean garden]

We aint tech that goober squat, dripter and the hex were the only ones who learn sumthing

[frosty latch]

WHEN DID THAT HAPPEN?

[chilly iron]

Harrow quest

[frosty latch]

that's the sequence?

also , why did albrecht just abandon his cat like that?

[chilly iron]

Pretty sure Kalymos goes where she wants

[faint spear]

The sequence is waking up Loid, waking up the Cavia animals, getting the Gargoyle thing active, and sending the Drifter back to 1999.

[lean garden]

Lotus aint let wally consume her. She specifically mentions she wont let wally "devour one instant of [her] pain"

[lean garden]

Thats why kalymos is kicking it with us (and letties rats)

[faint spear]

The lotus has a line after doing the Lotus eaters quest, about how Wally going after her will hopefully buy us enough time:
"It is hungry, Tenno. And I... am a distraction."

[gusty sky]

It’s fine

[lean garden]

Which isnt the same as her letting wally consume her

You can be a distraction without being consumed

[limber pulsar]

the only thing even vaguely suggesting that is the update name. which is just a literary refrence not literal

[faint spear]

Yeah, I misremembered it

[old dome]

wrong channel to ask but. ppl can trade you frames for anything in return... sometimes its plat, sometimes its mods—it depends on who's trading.

[frosty latch]

the indifference is gooy black stuff , and wally is the operator with purple eyes
those don't look the same to me

so , when are we gonna fight wally?

[old dome]

wally impersonates the operator just to mess w their head... thats not his actual body.

[chilly iron]

Wally can be any shape, it seems like he often takes the form of the person he's talking to (see when he was talking to Albrecht)

[old dome]

he shapeshifts.

[frosty latch]

ah

interesting

[faint spear]

The lotus also says:
"The system is changing. We are changing. If I become something you do not recognize, do not mourn."
"I was the Daughter. I became the Mother. In time, I shall be the Witch, blind once again, empty of all but wisdom."
Which does imply being consumed quite a bit - till empty...

[lean garden]

Its been literally stated in the game that the indifference and wally are the same entity

[lean garden]

Thats a misreading of what that says

[frosty latch]

has DE said anything about this?
what is the next major update?

[old dome]

its about her being natah, margulis, & lotus, respectively.

[limber pulsar]

changing is just a teeny tiny bit different from getting eaten

[chilly iron]

That's an old cycle of womanhood, The Maiden, the Mother, and the Crone

[lean garden]

She's in essence pulling a WoW taunt on Wally, this doesnt mean she's getting consumed, this means she's taking a beating

[faint spear]

She'll change to be unrecognizable from her current form, and she will be "empty of all but wisdom".

[frosty latch]

if wally hurts my lotus i'm gonna cry

[old dome]

nope. we just got to meet him & have him be the new main villain during this update.

[lean garden]

And "empty of all but wisdom" doesnt mean for a second being eaten, it means that that next role is meant to be one of wise council. Like force ghost obi wan vs clone wars obi wan

[old dome]

...thats about her becoming lotus.

or at least the way i understand it.

[faint spear]

Sorry, for me being eaten was always to be taken metaphorically.... being hollowed out....

[limber pulsar]

thats not whats happening either

[old dome]

yeah & she was... by her own brother (erra) & ballas bc of their abuse of her. i dont think she meant wally in any of this...

[faint spear]

Eleanor on Rusalka:
Hollowed out, yes. But whatever was driving her wasn't like you. Anything human about it was like a mockery. It was about as human as a store mannequin. In pieces. I touched it, you see. With my mind. I was trying to probe her, but she wasn't there.
That's what happened to the Lotus right there....

[limber pulsar]

that has nothing to do with lotus

[faint spear]

It's what Wally does, it's what it wants to do to us.

[chilly iron]

We don't know for sure what it wants

[limber pulsar]

wally “possesed” rusalka for specific purposes. he definitely has not done that to lotus and theres nothing suggesting hes trying to do it to anyone else

[faint spear]

Wally wants to take our light

[old dome]

the way i see it, when lotus said "hollowed out" she meant her becoming... well. lotus. after all the emotional abuse ballas had put her through for years—that kind of abuse does change a person fundamentally. shes wiser now bc of it, thus becoming "the witch", the lotus. hollowed out & changed.

i dont think she meant wally in her paragraph.

[lean garden]

Do you see lotus being possessed by wally? No? Then your application is already off the mark

[lean garden]

Lotus doesnt even say hollowed out to begin with

[faint spear]

How does the Lotus distract Wally?

[old dome]

?????

[faint spear]

Lotus implies she'll be changed so much by it, she will not be recognizable.

[old dome]

...not by wally. by ballas. she had changed by ballas.

[chilly iron]

I believe that is in reference to her still coming to grips with her identity, while also dealing with this war

[old dome]

^^^

[chilly iron]

She hasn't really settled in who she will be

[lean garden]

Please dont forget that the Lotus is also referring to herself strengthening herself in a new identity

[faint spear]

She's not talking about past events, she's talking after the Lotus Eaters quest about what she expects in the near future.

[proper barn]

That's also cuz she's a mimic.

[lean garden]

Like she literally states that her three selves will forge a new strength

[old dome]

see the explanations above this msg...

[proper barn]

By all her experiences

[limber pulsar]

this might come as a surprise, but big traumatic past events can sometimes continue to effect you in future events

[lean garden]

And when you put this into the context of her revisiting her past roles, this is her examining where this strength will take her

Which is thusly different from being possessed by wally like rulsalka

[old dome]

these two women have been so thoroughly violated by one man & people just. gloss over it...

even tho she said shes trying to find strength in her new self nowadays.

[proper barn]

I mean I don't.

[sly ibex]

He got deadified. Not sure what more there is to be done there.

[old dome]

...whos he??

[sly ibex]

Unless you mean for someone being confused by her line about forging a new strength.

[sly ibex]

||Ballas.||

[chilly iron]

I would have liked him to suffer more T^T

Death is a release, not a punishment

[sly ibex]

I disagree. Now he can't do anything to anyone anymore.

[old dome]

shouldve been given the sisyphus treatment fr

[restive river]

I’m glad he’s dead

[restive river]

Nah, should’ve gotten the Tuvul treatment

[old dome]

im also glad hes dead! i wanted him to suffer so so horribly first tho

[sly ibex]

Killing him and making it so he can't manipulate anyone or anything ever again is the worst punishment for a guy like that, I think.

[old dome]

he just. got sucked into the void.

[restive river]

He got his life force sucked out by the Lotus

His corpse has likey been burnt to a crisp

[faint spear]

He's not dead though. This is a presentism based statement. In eternalism the past is as real as the present. Ballas is still there....

[sly ibex]

Ballas is dead.

[old dome]

...we will ignore that.

the eternalism in his case

[sly ibex]

I'm pretty sure DE said he won't be back.

[graceful swan]

He didn’t deserve such a kind cremation

[restive river]

By your logic nothing we do matters anyway since the Orokin are still alive :/

[restive river]

Real

[old dome]

it doesnt exist. hes dead af in all timelines.

[silk atlas]

That is not how Eternalism works. He's alive in some weirdo alternate realities that we have no reliable way of traveling to anyway.

[chilly iron]

For our intents and purposes, he's gone XD
I think only Albrecht really got practical use out of Eternalism

[faint spear]

Warframe killed off hundreds of characters, only to bring them back with no excuse, but now we also have time travel.

[restive river]

We can’t access eternalism.

[old dome]

??????????????????????

[silk atlas]

Examples???

[restive river]

Not really?
Only Wally has been shown to access it

[sly ibex]

Actually, Eternalism has been kind of nullified, hasn't it? Didn't Baro's deal with The Man in the Wall make it so ours is now the only reality that exists?

[graceful swan]

Theoretically accessible is 90% of the time telling you that you can’t access it

[graceful swan]

Nope

[chilly iron]

Albrecht going to 1999 I think, was an applied use, he went to there because it was the same as here

[restive river]

All Baro’s got merged into one

Same way we got merged into two afaik

[sly ibex]

1999 isn't Eternalism, since it is actually our 1999 and not an alternate one.

[faint spear]

Poor Alad V. We assassinated him, then he chases a collar and becomes chained to it, doing the infestation's bidding. We kill him again, only to meet him again to help us in finding the moon....

[graceful swan]

The Baro thing didn’t delete eternalism

[restive river]

1999 is the true past, not eternalism

We know thats the case because what we do in 1999 effects the future, see Coda liches

[chilly iron]

I've been trying to wrap my brain around Eternalism, I thought it was just that all things happen, and have happened at the same time

[sly ibex]

Ah yeah, that's what it was. My mistake.

[old dome]

he never died. alad v never died to anything—he was chasing a cure for the infestation AND SUCCEEDED IN RECEDING IT.

its still in him, its just latent now.

[restive river]

Alad is just really good at not dying

Ballas is flat out dead dead

[old dome]

yea bc that guy is smart when he wants to be

like a cockroach

[restive river]

Also lucky :p

[sly ibex]

We don't know where Alad is, or if he is still alive. Haven't seen anything about him since The New War.

[restive river]

We did help him out over helping Nef

[graceful swan]

Alad casually getting thrown into space and not dying

[faint spear]

example: the orokin killed by Ordan Karis.... He killed them. It did not stick.

[restive river]

Its possible he was on that ship but thats yes to be seen

[old dome]

just orokin things ig /j

[sly ibex]

He definitely was on the ship, based on the dialogue that occurred.

[restive river]

Rip Salad
You will not be missed

[sly ibex]

I think that was an example of Blue Kuva in use, personally.

Just without being stated outright.

[graceful swan]

Alad was commanding all the ships he wasn’t on the ship

[faint spear]

Ballas is an Orokin, and has a rainbow assortment of Kuva.

[sly ibex]

He was not. He was commanding that ship.

[graceful swan]

There was a whole fleet

[restive river]

Even if it wasn’t that’s still the Orokin while they were in power in a situation where they could survive

[sly ibex]

That's why he wanted that ship's fire control disengaged from the fleet.

[old dome]

blue kuva...??

[restive river]

There’s only two known types of Kuva and one of them is dubious lol

[restive river]

Mentioned once in a naberous story
Diet transference

[silk atlas]

Not after the fall he didn't. Hell, even that one Orokin in Voruna's Leverian had to scrounge up everything to get the ceremony to work. And it's not just as simple as drinking Kuva to cheat the death anyway.

[faint spear]

No one ever told us there is no such thing as magenta kuva!

[graceful swan]

Bluva isn’t even a confirmed thing tbh it was made in a Halloween story

[restive river]

Brb gonna sip on some cyan kuva

[old dome]

ah. liquid transference. gotcha.

[strange turtle]

I personally prefer the Neon Orange kuva

[chilly iron]

Gotta get on that Grape Kuva

[graceful swan]

I personally prefer Kuva Sour

[sly ibex]

It makes sense for it to exist, since it lines up well with the Ordan story. At least it makes sense to me.

[restive river]

Yellow Kuva is not good ):

[strange turtle]

It just gives the continuity a pop to it that the others lack

[graceful swan]

Black Kuva is deadly

[sly ibex]

Don't eat the yellow snow, don't drink the yellow Kuva.

[old dome]

idt ballas was using kuva in tnw, was he??

[restive river]

It’s still just dubious as it only has one mention in a spooky story and maybe explains the Ordan situation

Dubious until proven otherwise for me

[restive river]

No

[sly ibex]

I just don't know what else could explain the Ordan thing, which is why I think it was Blue Kuva until we are given some other explanation.

[restive river]

The Orokin had many tricks, so who knows

To me Bluva doesn’t exist until we get to see it

Which is still plausible since kuva as a whole has ties to Wally/the Void iirc

[graceful swan]

I’d ask Ballas but he’s cremated

[old dome]

yk... the body snatching ceremony can probably explain it.

[restive river]

Ask the Entratis

[graceful swan]

They lost most memories though

You making me hunt Ballas through Eternalism

[faint spear]

just time travel to just before the cremation and ask, or go visit one of the infinite alternate universes where he's still alive.

[old dome]

idk much abt ordan & what he did (bc i cant get his mission to work) but.

hes dead in all of them for all we know. if he wasnt killed by us, he was killed by someone else having had enough of him.

[graceful swan]

There’s no mission tho you just scan the fragments

[restive river]

How?
We can not access eternalism.

[faint spear]

Eternalism doesn't need to be accessed, it's just how the world in warframe works.

[restive river]

It does need to be accessed, nobody has accessed it but Wally.

[limber pulsar]

eternalisn just means that other possibilities are real, not that theres any meaningful way to access them

[restive river]

Well
Eleanor did, but that was through telepathy and likely her void attunement

[restive river]

Exactly, the only one who has been shown to physically access them is Wally, an eldritch void entity

[graceful swan]

I want whatever Eleanor has

[faint spear]

The drifter also gets access, all they have to do is form a fist and hit a surface.

[restive river]

Nyx Strain?

[graceful swan]

No the mind stuff

[restive river]

No, we don’t.
1999 isn’t eternalism.

What you’re describing is resetting a loop, not eternalism.

[graceful swan]

Also the 1999 loop was made by Albrecht

[restive river]

We just reset it

[chilly iron]

And extended it

[graceful swan]

https://tenor.com/view/timeloop-warframe-begin-again-begin-again-gif-170084454081808753

[limber pulsar]

eternalisn mainly just exists to explain the operator/drifter split but people take it to mean that its whatever pop culture multiverse they can imagine that can do anything

[chilly iron]

(I'm scared though, will we be able to free them from that loop? I don't want to leave them there forever)

[restive river]

There’s also the Baro situation
And Eleanor contacted another version of herself apparently??

[faint spear]

There is a sequence in the quest where we shake hands with Wally, and we see ourselves being split to a vast number of different copies....

[restive river]

We have to, to retain the changes we made.

[chilly iron]

T^T

Imma kidnap Albrecht and make him fix this

[graceful swan]

Begin again

[chilly iron]

Again

[faint spear]

Eleanor's interpretation of what she saw might not be correct.
She had preconceptions and expectations, and she imagined what she saw confirmed them.
She might have just seen Wally.

[chilly iron]

Ok what if
The year is 2044 and we defeat Wallace. THEN it would be safe to unloop right?

[faint spear]

Safety is an illusion, it just means you're not aware of the dangers.

[restive river]

We need to retain the changes we made to the timeline

[chilly iron]

My heart T^T
I know you're right but I'm going to hide this mad little hope that we can save them in a corner somewhere and never speak of it again

[restive river]

🫂

[faint spear]

Are The arbiters of Hexis named after the Hex?

[limber pulsar]

we save them by keeping them company and continuing to rescue them at the end of every loop

[feral cape]

Drifter can loop time as a result of albretchs oooooOOoOOoOoo

[restive river]

No

[faint spear]

did we ever get an explanation as to why they have Hexis in their name?

[feral cape]

Nothing indicates they are

[restive river]

No, I dont believe we do

But they aren’t named after the Hex, they have nothing to do with the Hex

[faint spear]

We know they are ancient....

Maybe the Hex left their mark

[feral cape]

They have to post date tenno

Since that's kinda what there whole schtick is

[restive river]

The Arbiters only exist post-tenno
So they’re 1k years old at the least

[faint spear]

They have something in their lore entry that says specifically they predate the Tenno,.

[feral cape]

Meaning they are =<1000 years old

[restive river]

Source?

[feral cape]

https://tenor.com/view/thats-a-nice-argument-senator-why-dont-you-back-it-up-with-a-source-gif-26196944

[faint spear]

Trying to remember and find it.

[restive river]

Use the Orokin Archives

[feral cape]

"The dogmatic Arbiters seek a truth through discipline and practice. They reject the "Tenno" as Warrior mythology - a lie constructed to limit their potential. The Arbiters of Hexis exemplify a burning passion to search for the truth of Tenno ability, composed with the knowledge that Tenno are far greater than even their shattered history suggests."

Please Arbiters find the truth of Tenno ability

Show me cool stuff

[restive river]

Real

[feral cape]

All of the tenno abilities in game are soooooo lame

[restive river]

The Arbiters do give operator cosmetics…

[limber pulsar]

hexis is just a fancy greek word meaning like “stability” nothing to do with the 6 meaning the 1999 syndicate uses

[proper barn]

Wrong

[restive river]

The syndicate also predates the idea of the Hex from a development standpoint

[proper barn]

They are way cooler than before lmao.

[restive river]

Furthermore they’re about the tenno, not the warframes

[restive river]

Yeah but we can do so much more 😭
Give me more void magic

[feral cape]

Let me forge weapons of pure void my demiurge is a gun and blade give me godlike powers and I shall fashion it as such

[proper barn]

But I could take another rework/update of focus abilities.

[feral cape]

Being cooler than Google glasses doesn't make you cool

[restive river]

Give me void gauntlets

[proper barn]

Ducky before we never used Operator/drifter. Now we use them way more.

[limber pulsar]

you already can. its called playing xaku

[restive river]

I’m aware

[proper barn]

Fair

[restive river]

By the end of this arc I’m going to steal more of Wally from himself to become more powerful (:<

[proper barn]

Narramon and Vazerin

Need good abilities.

[restive river]

I love Unairu

Zenurik is good utility

[proper barn]

Like I would take 2 more abilities on every focus tree and then so make those 2 good.

[feral cape]

Maduri>

[restive river]

Give me reqiuem abilities

Let me utilize two reqiuems as magic words for funny abilities

[proper barn]

Funny

[restive river]

Let me command Ris and just blind everyone

[feral cape]

Yes

[proper barn]

I think current focus

Is way better to build i hope they do.

[lament stirrup]

Still desperatly hoping Operatora get a 3 and 4.

[tender ruin]

Would love to see improvements to movement/combat as operator/drifter... add 2 more abilities yeah, and like a 3rd evolution where we are adept with void magic and can use it like iron man a bit more...(like to not have fall damage bc you can shoot void juice at ground etc, or have a charge up mechanic to unleash some actually super powerful abilities rarely from operator mode). would like to see some of the advancements from soulframe movement backported to operator as it feels very good

[lament stirrup]

The Madurai 4 should let you pick up your warframes gun so I can make Baby With A Glock screenshots.

[tender ruin]

would be kinda cool if the lore logic was something about the warframes becoming the thing that protects your operator from being "eternalized" by the void or something, so using operator mode had a cooldown or timer associated with it to an extent but made it much more powerful , perhaps just in certain zones or content

[quartz sky]

Like an anchor

[tall echo]

You can just go into void mode to bypass the miniscule fall damage

[tall echo]

That... makes no sense

[feral cape]

What?

[tender ruin]

Talking hypothetically, my personal opinion, I would find it interesting if the next story arc put a different element of danger to the tenno... Like how new war tried to steal our bodies, but we awakened more powers, I think the next iteration of that would be neat to expand operator gameplay and story.
My wording about warframes protecting the operator was badly written, what I mean is that the mechanic in game being - it is dangerous for your tenno to be out alone, perhaps the void /indifference is trying to do whatever .. , the result being more exciting operator gameplay.

[feral cape]

That also like screws cascade enthusiasts

Putting a limit on the operator would be bad for cascade and eidolon enthusiasts

[tender ruin]

Good point. Agreed. Perhaps like a destiny dark zone situation where it only happens in certain areas or types of content?

I appreciate you having conversation and not just telling me I'm an idiot for imagining new things lol

Big part is just the next evolution for our operator. It kinda cheeses things when you are invulnerable at all times and have no drawbacks while also having the mechanics and gameplay feel horrible in comparison to using a frame.

[feral cape]

I like the operator gameplay

Thats probably because I am cascade enthusiast

[tender ruin]

Totally valid and I support you lol

[tall echo]

Can't be invulnerable at all times, void mode drains energy very quickly

[unkempt swan]

Could hunhow kill the operator? Or is he stuck in is jar ?

[tall echo]

Hunhow is chilling at the bottom of uranus

Stuck due to damage

[normal mountain]

Let us use Transcendence again
I miss my giant void laser torso

[tender ruin]

I'm not debating with you, stating my opinions is all. Jumping in and out of operator and the current mechanics are not enjoyable to me personally. Regardless of that, for the lore discussion part, I am simply stating interest in a next ascension or power up for our operators as I think it would be cool, personally, in my own opinion, without offense intended to you or your brain

[tender ruin]

Yessssss dude lol. Like tenno is literally void jesus of eternalism, ramp me up lol

[tall echo]

And I am simply stating facts. I think operator mode needs to be improved too. Not sure what made you think I was or would be offended at all

It's hard to find good lore reasons for further improvement since war within was intended to be the operator unlocking their full potential iirc, but if some pretty weak stat increases and mostly bad abilities is their full potential then that's quite underwhelming

There could be a good opportunity somewhere in the void war arc, since. Well. Void war.

[normal mountain]

Perhaps they still have some things to learn
After all, just because that potential is unlocked, doesn't mean that it's been mastered

[tender ruin]

It's fun to create theories or just cool ideas. It seems like entrati can manipulate the void more and more by his own manipulation of indifference/love, and with jades baby being maybe a void jesus thing, I could see a number of reasons for some power up. Can't make way OP but I was thinking it would be badass to feel really powerful with your tenno, but only in certain places or circumstances to balance mechanically

Whats one more training session with space dad teshiin lol

Maybe tau powers or sentients boost us in solidarity lol

Maybe operator and drifter do a grand merge and break reality

[tall echo]

Operator currently still struggles to feel the P part of OP to me, yet I often see people talk about only playing operator in SP

[tender ruin]

They are super powerful in game yes

[normal mountain]

For some reason I now have an image of our Operator doing a massive Void Sling all the way to Tau

[tender ruin]

But moving around and shooting stuff feels bad

[normal mountain]

Do not ask me where that came from, I have no clue

[lean garden]

5th ideal Radiants still need to learn how to shoot investiture beams out of guns so indeed, theres room for growth

[tall echo]

I am extremely disappointed whenever I use operator in near endgame content

[tall echo]

It shall be known in the history books as the big yeet

[tender ruin]

Same here. I just abuse the mechanics but feels like I'm playing a Warframe from temu

[lean garden]

Temu
Tenno
Temmo
Teemo

[tender ruin]

Now do it with tau to bring us full circle to the ten cent thing

Speaking of space dad, how was teshin in duviri? Is he dead?

[lean garden]

Nope

Space uncle is alive

[normal mountain]

He got thrown into the Void

Somehow, he made it to Duviri

[tender ruin]

Him head squish

[lean garden]

Varzia too, erra is 0 for 2 on the dax

[normal mountain]

I suspect blind luck was to blame

[feral cape]

Bau pick one

[tall echo]

Teshin was almost dead it seems, but the void doesn't believe in death

[feral cape]

Why does discord keep doing this

[lean garden]

No, I refuse to be the final shape

[feral cape]

He possesses a constitution like no other

[tall echo]

21?

[normal mountain]

42

[tender ruin]

Now what about warframes. What difference between primes and not primes? In lore, did they all come from a person? One of each?

I made it up in my head that there was only one prime for each frame and it was the OG and regulars were copies

[normal mountain]

Not always

[feral cape]

Some were prime from the start others earned it

[tender ruin]

Or very well made helmet

[tall echo]

Anything over 30 is difficult to achieve but I like the reference

[lean garden]

According to the erra cinematic, we see what should be interpreted as multiple primes being deployed in the defence of lua

[tender ruin]

Oh DO Go on

[tall echo]

Primes were the elite

[feral cape]

Thats about it

[tall echo]

That's all we know

[tender ruin]

So do all frames have some mind?

[lean garden]

Like we have the group that were on archwings, we have the group on the upper levels of lua and we have the dead group on the bottom of lua

[lean garden]

This is inclusive of mag, which we know was also deployed to Tau

[normal mountain]

Bits and pieces
That's why we have stance animation

[tender ruin]

But there are copies of them all

[feral cape]

We can theorize that ivara was a frame to earn priming based on her leverian entry

[normal mountain]

Eeyup

[feral cape]

But beyond that we know nothing

[lean garden]

Yes

[tender ruin]

They came from the same original person

[feral cape]

Yes

[normal mountain]

Maybe

[lean garden]

Roughly yes

[normal mountain]

Wait, what?
Didn't think we knew that for sure

[tender ruin]

The stories tie into their abilities

[feral cape]

Well i mean almost every frame was a person

[tender ruin]

And Excalibur was obviously a dax before

[feral cape]

Rev prime xaku and uhhhhhhh one other i think are mild expectations to that rule

[limber pulsar]

all the warframes you play as (except unbra) are basically clones with vegetative minds

[feral cape]

Xaku is 3 dudes made into one dude

[normal mountain]

Caliban, I think, is that other

[tender ruin]

Fighting another dude

[feral cape]

Rev prime might just have formed into existence

[tender ruin]

Okay but

[lean garden]

This is something the KIM messages imply no?

[tender ruin]

Could have been a human before

[feral cape]

Well maybe

But i mean like rev prime might have actually just been formed into existence

[glacial bough]

Warden certainly was a human before

[feral cape]

As in no causal precursor

[glacial bough]

Revenant prime, specifcally, is mostly a no

[normal mountain]

That the copies came from the same original person?

[feral cape]

Its just no rev prime-> yes rev prime

[tender ruin]

How would revenant prime differ from revenant

[normal mountain]

Must have missed that one, or not got it yet

[feral cape]

Because revenant prime was made after the fall of the orokin empire

[lean garden]

That combined with the frames retaining some measure of memory, implying that theyre copies of a goober

[tender ruin]

Made after fall of empire .. how?

[tall echo]

But it's also possible that it was just a test to see if they'll keep the base design at all since the others in that story were completely wiped from all records

[feral cape]

Because the frame revenant was made after the fall of the orokin empire due to corruption from eidolon energy

[feral cape]

Warden used himself to seal the eidolon at the bottom of the lake fused with its energy became revenant

[normal mountain]

Because Revenant was made from an Eidolon, which didn't exist before the old war
And Revenant Prime gets on Ballas' nerves because he doesn't make sense

[feral cape]

There's more to it but that's the jist

What fatherless aberration is this? Who brings the wicked gift of an unknown mask this Naberus night? Seething with the Void, mocking me and causality alike!

And what strange cruelty named him, to know and defy his death?

This shadow of ill omen. This grim harbinger. This... Revenant.

[tender ruin]

Maybe the sentient powers magically made it happen, but revenant existed before revenant prime did, so they got their idea from something

[glacial bough]

Revenant Prime specifically was not made by anyone in this universe

[feral cape]

When I'm in a glazing competition and my opponent is ballas talking about someone he despises

[lean garden]

Rumour has it that the unum made rev prime

[normal mountain]

I love that one
Ballas is just utterly confused and furious

[tall echo]

"Fatherless aberration" is still the second best insult in the game

[feral cape]

This shadow of ill omen this grim harbinger this revenant

Yea okay ballas glaze him harder next time

[lean garden]

Ballas is the king of glazing warframes to the detriment of lore nerds

I still have goons claiming that nidus prime is an actual demigod

[tender ruin]

Self promoting

[lean garden]

The man famous for waxing poetic is suddenly very literal

[normal mountain]

From now on, I dub thee Ballas, the Glaze King

[tall echo]

Nah he only does that when he made the frame

[feral cape]

Bau that word doesn't mean that anymore nooooooo

I genuinely can't think of a frame ballas gave more aura to than revenant

This is like all those Chinese anti America posters that just look raw as hell

[glacial bough]

Nekros and Grendel would have something to say about that

[tall echo]

Gauss, by not speaking

[feral cape]

Nekros is true

[normal mountain]

Gara might be a close one
He designs her specifically to spite Nihil

[feral cape]

Being made out of petty spite doesn't give aura

[tall echo]

Both cetus primes existing just to annoy an orokin is kinda funny

[feral cape]

Ballas is a d1 hype man tho

That is funny

[normal mountain]

That is very funny

Can't believe I never thought of that before

[tall echo]

Koumei prime needs to be made to offend like tuvul or smth to continue the theme

[feral cape]

Made to piss off unum

[normal mountain]

You know what would be fun?
We had Parvos and Ballas do Protea Prime's trailer
We should have Erra in Caliban Prime's trailer

[leaden walrus]

Is there a lore Reason to why there are eximus in 1999?

[normal mountain]

Not that I know of

[leaden walrus]

Welp

[proper barn]

Albretch tech?

Idk

[limber pulsar]

the only one that really takes any justification is the jade ones, but that can be handwaved as just albrecht shenanigans

[sly pagoda]

I write off eximus as just gameplay

far easier for the programmers to just use an existing mechanic than invent a whole new one that is basically the same thing

[cinder locust]

Can I has a pizza

[feral cape]

What

[cinder locust]

You make da pizza, can you make me a pizza

[sly pagoda]

One of the more interesting factors we finally got to see is how well Wally can possess someone. I guess right now he is strolling around Manhattan Hollvania in a brand new Edgar Rusalka suit.

[feral cape]

I forgot that was in my bio

[cinder locust]

[feral cape]

Uh no you can't i quite papa murphy's I don't make a da pizza anymore

[cinder locust]

[steel creek]

i got a question. in theawakening quest in the cinematic trailer they show a female tenno and she enters into one of the starter warframes but then during the second dream quest it is revealed that we, the tenno were hidden in the reservoir in lua. so like who was the female tenno and what is our connection with her and us? is this another time paradox like the drifter or something?

also now that 1999 is finished is the drifter gonna stay in that timeline or is he gonna return to us in the present?

[glacial bough]

The girl is just an inside reference to the Operator, they aren't an actual character

[steel creek]

what do u mean?

[glacial bough]

The girl is nobody

Purely exists for the trailer

[steel creek]

alright then what about 1999?

[sly pagoda]

Mara is kind of their default tenno for promotional cinematics

[steel creek]

is that the canon tenno name for our character?

[glacial bough]

Drifter just has to maintain the 1999 loop, he comes and goes as he wants

[sly pagoda]

There is no canon name for our tenno

[steel creek]

so its just like duviri?

wait so now that the drifter has saved everyone that means that history follows a new course now right?

[glacial bough]

Not really

[steel creek]

doesnt that change the timeline?

[steel creek]

how so?

[glacial bough]

99 is far enough that nothing there really matters for the grand scheme

[bright temple]

And the loop is being maintained

[steel creek]

wait so the hex are still stuck in the loop?

[humble sierra]

“Mara” is the internal name DE uses for the Operator when writing dialogue and whatnot

Canonically, I believe our Operator’s name is our username

Though they’re referred to by various void-related entities as “Mara Lohk”

Leading people to believe that “Mara” means “child”, as “Lohk” is “Void” and the characters are likely calling us “Void child”

[proper barn]

Well "stuck" but yeah. They even talk about it in the DMs.

Lettie has a big discussion about it.

[restive river]

Except the Coda liches but that seems to be the only exception

[lucid dagger]

Excal Umbra is like the one weird exception where there canonically must be more than one person turned into an Excalibur

or I mean, ancient plot hole, ig, but there's a lore entry that describes Excalibur as "the first of us" and Excal Umbra is not the first warframe

[glacial bough]

...That's not a plot hole

[lucid dagger]

the plot hole would be if they tried to say Excal Umbra was the first Excal

[normal mountain]

Which I have heard before

[lucid dagger]

also ig The Hex

none of them are "the first" of their kind. I mean ig they kind of are in their particular timeline, but like in the global cause-effect chain sense of things Entrati took it from our timeline and brought it to them and made them what they are

[humble sierra]

IIRC, Excal Prime is the only one explicitly stated as being the first, and that’s just in reference to “First of the Primes”. Default Excal, I think, was among the first Warframes designed specifically for Tenno usage.

I don’t think they’ll ever outright confirm who the first Warframe ever was, though if I had to guess, they’d do it in a New War-style quest

[proper barn]

Umbra is one of the last warframes

Hmmm?

[restive river]

Those are two different Warframes.

[proper barn]

Oh because the reason he's turned into a warframe is cuz he was gonna expose Ballas for working with Hunhow. The thing Ballas was telling hunhow was the warframes weakness was the tenno. @bright temple

Like he can't be the first warframe if the whole thing he was telling on Ballas for doing was exposing the tennos resting place (lau)

The Orokin iPad we find in Umbras Cell is what umbra probably found and tried to use to expose Ballas.

[restive river]

Umbra was one of the last if not the last made by Ballas

With Revenant being the most recent frame technically as his first appearance as Revenant is in his quest, prior to that he was known as Warden, though Revenant Prime existed long before Revenant and wasn’t made by Ballas

[steel creek]

wait so they dont get to move on from 1999? why? isnt everything fixed?

if thats the case how isnt technocyte coda affected by it?

cuz they also should be stuck in this "loop"

[normal mountain]

That will probably be explained when they arrive in 1999

[restive river]

What we do in 1999 affects history, but we must retain the loop to retain those changes.

[restive river]

We know that we create and fight them in 1999 and then confront them in the distant future (origin system)

[steel creek]

so as long as the drifter is there time will continue in one direction?

[restive river]

As long as the Drifter loops it the changes will be retained

[steel creek]

thats confusing but i think im getting the point

[restive river]

It is a tad confusing but ye

[steel creek]

ok so whats next after 1999?

[restive river]

Tau

[steel creek]

whats tau? (idk much about the lore)

[humble sierra]

Maybe a couple steps between 1999 and Tau

[restive river]

Probably yeah

[steel creek]

wdym

[restive river]

Tau is the home system of the sentients, they were sent to terraform it sometime after the Zariman failed to make the trip

[humble sierra]

So the Orokin realized that they were draining the Origin system of all its resources, and aimed to go further, to another star system

[steel creek]

why do we need to head to tau?

[restive river]

To go to Tau we likely need to find a way to safely unplug the Zariman as well as meet whatever standards Yonta says we need to meet

[restive river]

That’s where Albrecht is going to fight Wally ig

[steel creek]

wait so does that mean we get to explore more planets?

[restive river]

In theory, at least one more yes

[humble sierra]

Yeah potentially, that’s why I think they’ll do some more stuff here between 1999 and Tau

[steel creek]

wait so is tau like the final quest?

[restive river]

Potentially for the Void War Arc

[humble sierra]

There probably won’t be a final quest just yet because the game is still going strong

[steel creek]

void war? whats that

[restive river]

We know DE has the next like
4(?) years planned

[steel creek]

is it something like the new war?

[restive river]

The current arc.

Its just the name of the current arc according to the official website

I hope they come up with something better than “Void War” :p

[humble sierra]

Awakening - Second Dream quests were the first arc, I think
Then the War Within stuff was another arc up until Sacrifice
Then the New War was the previous arc
Everything after that is the Void War arc

[steel creek]

i see

[steel creek]

i mean void war still sounds sick ngl

[restive river]

There will def be more after, I’m sure Rebb and her team will find places for the story to go

[steel creek]

is teshin dead?

[restive river]

It does, but I’d like a better name for it personally

[restive river]

No, he never died.

[humble sierra]

He’s in Duviri

[restive river]

Erra is really bad at killing Dax

[steel creek]

but didnt he get is head crushed by erra?

[humble sierra]

Duviri paradox is set after Teshin’s playable part in New War

[restive river]

Teshin fell into Duviri and would’ve died if it weren’t for the Duvirians

[restive river]

He did that to Varzia too and she’s selling prime stuff :p
he’s just bad at killing Dax

[steel creek]

wait so why is he still a shadow for me in the relays?

[restive river]

Because he lives in Duviri.

[frosty meadow]

Unrelated but I have definitive proof that Arthur is Umbra

[restive river]

He isn’t.

[steel creek]

so like does the operator know that teshin still lives? or....

[restive river]

We know Umbra was a Dax during the Old War, he literally can not be Arthur.

[restive river]

They should by this point yes

[humble sierra]

That Teshin is probably just like when Ordis mimics Lotus— just a copy

[restive river]

Funny hologram of space uncle

[steel creek]

erra got turned into an archon right?

[humble sierra]

Yeah forcibly by the other Archons

[restive river]

Yes, Pazuul had control of his body

Erra is still in there potentially but he does not have control anymore

[humble sierra]

Erra still lives on though, he sometimes breaks through Pazuul’s voice

[restive river]

Pazuul is now the head of Narmer

[steel creek]

wait so there is that cutscene that plays in whispers in the wall. where does that happen in the hex quest?

[restive river]

And he’s a wacko

[restive river]

We find out about Pazuul in the Veilbreaker

[steel creek]

narmer is still there? even after the new war?

[restive river]

Yes, though heavily fragmented

Lotus says as such at the end of the new war

[steel creek]

pazuul was there in the hex quest?

[restive river]

No, in the Veilbreaker quest

Pazuul has nothing to do with the current arc at the moment

[steel creek]

ok got it

so what about the 1999 bit that plays in the whispers in the walls quest? where does that play in the hex quest?

[restive river]

That happens in a version of the past where we are late and the Hex try to find Albrecht without our help

They die ofc because of the reactor blowing
Heck though don’t even find out about the reactor until we arrive