lore-discussion

[glacial bough]

The kids being saved is the same deal as the void powers

[restive river]

^^^

we only got the powers from the deal itself

[mint laurel]

Its confirmed, on the KIM chats with quincy and lettie (i think), Drifter told them explicitly how was the Zariman incident

[restive river]

He isnt mad at us for having his power, he’s mad at us cause we owe him
And also keep getting in his way :p

[bright folio]

You wonder why Wally would give children such crazy powers

[mint laurel]

Yeah, Oro is souls on Orokin culture, Oro is soul, and Kin is people, so Orokin is traduced as "people of the soul"

[restive river]

I know the one you’re talking about, we don’t know for certain if it was only the parents but it def looks that way from what we’ve observed

[restive river]

Again, we don’t know exactly what Oro is
It may be more than just the soul

[restive river]

Funny
Also to get something out of us, our light

[spice spade]

And now when I tried to say this earlier today, I was shoo'd off as crazy

[glacial bough]

The light just seems like a prompt, not part of the deal

[restive river]

Wild cause uh. The game literally told us that
Wally literally tells us that

You should’ve grabbed a screencap of his dialogue from the quest

[spice spade]

Ye, in the quest's aftermath with the kuva drinking

[restive river]

Maybe, we shall see
He did accept it so 🤷‍♀️

[inner halo]

From the new stuff we got about Wally in 1999, it really does seem as simple as ||Their first experience with people/maybe even the first experience of their life was someone screaming and running away from them, cutting off their finger, and then presumably cloning that finger to allow an empire of the Worst People to expand their power even more so and constantly cut through Wally's lawn, and wally is really, really not happy about that. Wally has faced fear and rejection from sapient creatures at every turn, it's the only thing really knows, which is why Love is baffling to it.||

[restive river]

Nono, in 1999 he literally tells us it lol

[spice spade]

Ah, I've not finished 1999 yet

No wonder why I have not seen this

[restive river]

You should do that :)

[spice spade]

I hate my TV

Hold on rq

Ok, now as I was saying about my TV, it makes :) look like inverted ;)

[restive river]

Pretty concrete

[spice spade]

I'm pessimistic about how society is, so I'mma take a wild ahh futuristic guess, a fortune, and say people would say "That's too broad" cause I guarantee you pessimistic people would say that 🙄

[restive river]

Lmao, nah its pretty concrete
Especially for Warframe

People can say its too broad but it really isn’t

[tall echo]

[spice spade]

🤷🏼‍♂️ I've had my fair share of people, notably in another Warframe server, who was pessimistic towards me specifically, and would say I'm crazy or I'm wrong even if I'm not

Mods had to intervene cause they was getting outta hand with it

But that's not a topic for lore chat

[lean garden]

we have the term conditions

we just dont have no idea what we owe

"I can save them, all of them"

[restive river]

I sure hope we don’t forget our globelight when wet go to Tau

[tall echo]

I will dry go to tau, don't want to damage electronics

[old dome]

wdym ||"cut through wally's lawn"?||

[lean garden]

Go through the void

[humble sierra]

Wild theory; what if “VOULL NE XATA VOK, MARA LOHK” translates to “This is what you are”

Assuming voidtongue is more about concepts than an actual language

Xata meaning “Truth” can be interpreted as “essence” or “being”— what one is

Mara Lohk is heavily implied to be “Void child” and that’s what we— “You” — are

Nevermind, I just remembered this was posed as a question anyways

[keen saddle]

I always wonder who the idea had with equipping the warframes even with a flashlight that activates automatically when in dark environments... and who made those frames look adult?
isn't it basically "kids playing war" in this game?

[spice jewel]

hey, correct me if i'm wrong, but the reason we traveled to 1999 was to find albrecht before the indifference right?

[lean garden]

Find albrecht yes

[lean garden]

who? ballas. Why? Because the concept of the warframe didnt include kids until well into deployment

[spice jewel]

alright, i was asking because i encountered someone who said the 1999 story was bad and his reason was "it had no connection to the main story"

[lean garden]

???

did they ignore whispers in the wall??

[spice jewel]

or even the lotus eaters for that matter lol

idk tbh, it was such a weird claim

[keen saddle]

ah, that would also be kind of an explanation on why the adults all went mad after the void-jump accident that the Zariman Ten-Zero encountered... which leads to a theory:
imo, the Grineer and Corpus are all led by some of those mad adults who want to show the kids their place - much like the Orokin before... but Margulis (and later, the Lotus) made them what they are meant to be: the Tenno. and as such, they strike back. or is my theory off?

[lean garden]

ah, that would also be kind of an explanation on why the adults all went mad after the void-jump accident that the Zariman Ten-Zero encountered...
This has no bearing on how warframes are produced

[keen saddle]

oops, forgot the most important part 😅
but there is where my theory starts stumbling... I have no idea on how the warframes are produced

[lean garden]

the Grineer and Corpus are all led by some of those mad adults who want to show the kids their place
Parvos granum and the Queens were never on the Zariman

[keen saddle]

hmm... I know we kill one of the Queens, if we want to. And isn't Parvos Granum dead as well? Iirc, the Treasurer has some nods to that...

[lean garden]

Parvos is very much not dead

the smarmy bastard is like the main antagonist for 2 recently introduced nodes

[keen saddle]

hmm... then I got the timeline completely wrong and mixed up...

[lean garden]

Sanctum Anatomica Disruption and Ascension

[lean garden]

Ballas spearheaded a project that infected people with the helminth strain, which turned them into warframes for the purpose of fighting in the Old War. These warframes worked for a while, but allegedly went insane with very few exceptions. Later when the zariman returned back to real space during the Old War, the Transference project was eventually weaponised after the death of Margulis to incorporate the Tenno as pilots for the warframes, resolving the insane issue

[keen saddle]

that makes sense. so, basically, instead of the adults controlling what the kids do (prevent war), the kids control their former parents (which are now warframes) and commit war - and that thanks to the genius that made the Transference project a weapon after Margulis got killed. then again, did Marguils get reborn as The Lotus?

[lean garden]

the kids control their former parents (which are now warframes)
Not a thing that happens at all

[lean garden]

then again, did Marguils get reborn as The Lotus?
A sentient called Natah was created after Ballas leaked information to the Sentients on how Post-Tenno warframes operated, for the purpose of infiltrating the Tenno operation. Natah was subsequently captured by Ballas, and Margulis's imprint was put into Natah, turning her into the Lotus

[keen saddle]

and that way the circle closes and we are where we are now in-game... speaking of which:
when the Tenno uses the transference, is he/she always sleeping? 💤

I remember that being implied by the Second Dream...

[graceful swan]

No we woke up

[glacial bough]

It's not a literal dream

[quartz sky]

While it's confirmed the og frames used to be people, I don't think it's their parents

I DO think the angels are the former parents

[lean garden]

Definitely not your parents, on account of them being dead

[keen saddle]

angels? why angels? they're innocent! 😇

[quartz sky]

Except for all the murder

[keen saddle]

doesn't make that the Tenno basically murderers, too?
they're using the angels (which are the former parents) as warframes - and that makes the warframes weapons

[quartz sky]

Do we use the Angels as warframea?

But yeah the ethics of the Tenno is why a lot of people hate them

[keen saddle]

aren't they molded into those warframes? iirc, they're some kind of biotechnology

[graceful swan]

Nope

[limber pulsar]

warframes are made from infested people, conpletely seperate from the angels

[quartz sky]

They're not warframes

They're less bio tech and more weird than that

[graceful swan]

Angels are all dead people while Warframes aren’t dead people

[quartz sky]

I mean lol

They're not dead I suppose yeah

Read about Conceptual Embodiment

As far as angels

[glacial bough]

They're still dead

[lean garden]

they're using the angels (which are the former parents) as warframes - and that makes the warframes weapons
again, not a thing that happens

[keen saddle]

yikes... I'm sitting on a lot of fallacies, huh?

[lean garden]

the parents of the tenno are entirely not involved in the warframe project

[chilly iron]

Do you think Eleanor can hear Kalymos, or Lettie's rats?

[graceful swan]

Yeah she has working ears

Just an odd tongue

[chilly iron]

Ok yes XD
But her telepathy, I mean. Their thoughts.

[slow phoenix]

ballas made the warframes as weapons to fight the sentients, and they originally werent meant for the tenno, but they couldnt control the warframes, then they (somehow) realised the tenno could control them, so fitted the warframes with transference bolts, also warframes are made out of people (usually people the orokin didnt like) who were injected with the helminth strain of the infestation

[slow phoenix]

all the angels (on the zariman at least) are void manifestations of the original zariman crew who succumbed to the song of the void, the holdfasts talk about it in angels of the zariman

[quartz sky]

Ya

[silent berry]

Maybe kalymoss, bc y'know she is more smart than the normal kavat

[graceful swan]

Her power hasn’t got a shown limit so far so she should be able to

[silent berry]

Me when i wasnt paying attention in class

[tall echo]

A random researcher in the rhino prime codex discovered the innate transference of the tenno

[sage moat]

I really like the end of the wolf's story in the kahl quest. I think it's good.
That's all I just think it's really neat.

[real geyser]

it'll never not be funny how even the Entrati, who are Orokin themselves, say "screw the Orokin, they suck"

[graceful swan]

Albrecht is probably the reason they are like that

[real geyser]

it's also because of how Albrecht was treated by the other Orokin

[graceful swan]

Albrecht brought hating his class to his class

And to Loid

[chilly iron]

Wasnt the Entrati family abandoned on Deimos too? I feel like I read that somewhere, the Infestation spread and no one came to get them so they had to retreat to their bunker/lab etc etc

[graceful swan]

Belric and Rania purposely unleashed the Infested on Deimos because nobody but Citrine was left and to protect all the Entrati stuff they had to stay inside the Necralisk Son broke Curfew which let it inside infesting the family. They moved Deimos into the Void sometime after to protect the heart coming back out because Grandmother decided to break it which we stopped from fully breaking

[chilly iron]

Ah, thank you. I didn't know Citrine lore. So they HAD to stay (I forgot about the heart) and then Son etc etc

[lucid orchid]

The Grinir have the Kuva

The Corpus have the Tenet

The infested will have something?

It would be cool a jorney with Umbra and Stalker as protagonist too

After his jorney, he don't show up anymore as a concient caracter

[restive river]

Infested have Coda

Umbra just lives with us and Stalker still hunts us, he still hates us but the situation has changed
Think reluctant ally

[lucid orchid]

yeah, but Umbra could show up in 1999 and others Jorneys

Especially in that stalker quest

i think that Stalker would be more connected to us if he saw Umbra as our friend

[graceful swan]

Umbras story was told and is over not really a reason to bring him back

[restive river]

I think it could be fun to bring him back but as a side character, like how he was mentioned in Jade Shadows

[graceful swan]

The thing I find weird about people always asking for Umbra is why Umbra specifically when as shown in literally every frame with a quest after the quest is finished they become gameplay not lore and even DE decided in their one chance to bring Umbra back as an actual story character that they wanted it to be any frame not just Umbra only

[restive river]

I def agree his story has been told and is done, I think some people just want him interacting to some degree during quests since he’s an outlier compared to other frames

Like the mention of him walking around in jade shadows

It’d be neat to have him as an NPC walking around your ship tbh, or having him have a minor appearance or mention again
Nothing major, his story was told

[graceful swan]

1 mention really is just 1 mention it wasn’t meant to be an indication he was coming back which some people have tried making it out as

It was mostly just a joke

[restive river]

Oh yeah I def agree

[graceful swan]

And even now DE gave us the Backroom which most players have moved to which doesn’t even have Ordis unless you do the cyst thing

[somber adder]

I like to think the Infested have the same backstory as in Dark Sector

Some random people found a forgotten bioweapon on an abandoned U-boat

[graceful swan]

It doesn’t

Most of Warframe and it’s infested stuff doesn’t follow Dark Sector

Even frames they made it a child only for many years

[woven coyote]

Besides dark sector is a movie/book (cant remember which) in warframe

[graceful swan]

Movie and Novel yeah

[somber adder]

I just said I like to think it does

[somber adder]

They made it a what?

[graceful swan]

The frames are controlled by kids in Warframe compared to an Adult Hayden in DS

[somber adder]

Hayden isn’t a warframe

He’s just infected with the Technocyte virus

[graceful swan]

But do you know what he controls?

[somber adder]

Besides, the Hex are a thing

[somber adder]

A glaive?

[graceful swan]

A Warframe

[somber adder]

He doesn’t

His armor he gets later on in the game is just armor

Warframes are entirely Infested creatures with metallic skin

He’s just an infected individual wearing advanced military armor

[graceful swan]

And also the Hex being a thing is at best a nod not anything making Dark Sector game actually canon to Warframe so the U-boat thing isn’t at all canon to Warframe

[restive river]

The warframes are made from people.

Hayden is an obvious precursor to the idea of the Warframes, just look at the original dark sector demo
Mans has the excalibur helmet

Heck the Nemesis in DS is even more obviously a Warframe :p

[graceful swan]

The U-Boat thing will still not be canon to Warframes story outside of a movie and novel that will never actually be made

[proper barn]

It was the original warframe demo

[restive river]

They did say they like to think the infested’s origin is similar, not that it is the actual origin

[proper barn]

Just called that

Anyway we could go into it.

[restive river]

Yes I know
Back then it was called dark sector tho

[proper barn]

Yee

[restive river]

Well now its warsector but we dont need to get into that either

[proper barn]

Dark sector the game happened cuz it was like the gritty 2000s

[restive river]

Ye

Vinny we are both aware of the history
We both have warframe brainrot

[graceful swan]

Warframe the saviour of a company

[somber adder]

I was never implying that

I was saying that I like to think the INFESTATION has the same origin as it did in Dark Sector

The USSR and America exist in Dark Sector, they do not in Warframe

That’s definitive proof they’re not connected

[sly ibex]

The Excalibur Hayden uses in Dark Sector is made from Dark Sector's Infestation. It's a Warframe.

[somber adder]

It’s just Hayden

Warframes are a pretty specific invention

Anyone with technocyte in them wearing armor isn’t a warframe

[feral cape]

Were made from people

The ones we make now arnt

There "ethically sourced"

[somber adder]

They’re

[sly ibex]

Free range Helminth grown!

[feral cape]

Im going to vault of glass you

[graceful swan]

Helminth a chef that still cooks faster than that one guy in Drifters camp

[somber adder]

Just a correction of your grammar, I didn’t exactly threaten to kill your mom and eat your dog

[feral cape]

Im still vault of glassing you

[somber adder]

I can tho if you want me to

[graceful swan]

When did Lore discussion become grammar police?

[sly ibex]

It's what the original concept of Warframes was, even before Dark Sector was finalized. That Excalibur is the OG type of Warframe. The original trailer (called Warsector in Warframe 1999's ARG) showed Hayden in a suit with a helmet that he could open and close at will.

Those suits were the original Warframes, after they had to change the plot and such. That one and Nemesis, in Dark Sector.

[somber adder]

Obviously it’s the same concept but they are not literal warframes

[sly ibex]

They literally are.

[somber adder]

Warframes were made by Ballas (or at least so he claims) in the Warframe universe

Hayden Tenno and Nemesis are just warframe-like Technocyte creations

[feral cape]

The guys in darksector are functionally the same as warframes

The only difference is the power source

[somber adder]

I am not denying that, but they aren’t true warframes

[graceful swan]

The only difference is creator

[sly ibex]

Not all were made by him. And Dark Sector and its Warframes pre-date Warframe. This game is the one with the seemingly altered concept.

[feral cape]

That is true

[sly ibex]

The point is both types are Warframes, just in their respective universes.

[somber adder]

They aren’t warframes though, they’re extremely similar sure but they aren’t literal warframes

[sly ibex]

They literally are the original concept of Warframes, so they are indeed Warframes.

[somber adder]

At best I’d be willing to call them Protoframes if we’re getting really technical with it

[somber adder]

I disagree heavily, they aren’t warframes

A warframe is the version of the concept seen in Warframe

[sly ibex]

Time for a new topic, since this is just spinning wheels.

[feral cape]

I find it very odd that de called the hex partial warframes a singular time upon there introduction and immediately switched to protoframes

[somber adder]

Catchier, and “partial warframes” was probably just an offhand comment about their nature

[feral cape]

I do suppose

[restive river]

Considering it makes an exact copy including how they once held themselves I count that as still being made from people, just cloned with the infested instructions included

[feral cape]

Minion why did you delete that

[sly ibex]

Cuz it was already said lol

[graceful swan]

I think that was just DE pointing out they aren’t full Warframes but that’s not their actual name unfortunately

[feral cape]

However changing it made the naming scheme change from
Warframe
Protoframe
Partial Warframe
To
Gen 2 Warframe
Gen 1 Warframe
Protoframe

Which for like 3 days was moderately inconvenient

[graceful swan]

So many now think protoframes were the original

[restive river]

There are no protoframes without ballas’ warframes

So glad they didnt go the bootstrap route
So
So glad

[chilly iron]

The problem with calling them "protoframes" is that "proto" usually means first, or ancestor of

[graceful swan]

The issue with the fact of it is the only way to learn they aren’t is by picking up all the notes so many don’t get the real info

[chilly iron]

So it's easy to misunderstand

[restive river]

In this instance it doesnt mean that

But yes its an easy mistake

[graceful swan]

Most people by now know Arthur wasn’t the first frame ever made

[restive river]

I do wonder if he was the first of the protos though

[sly ibex]

Albrecht brought the Helminth strain with him from the future.

[restive river]

Nice parallel to Excal if true

[graceful swan]

Yeah pretty sure he was

[restive river]

Yes, there are no protos without the originals

[sly ibex]

Seems he had other folks even before the Hex, with an unknown number falling.

[restive river]

This is not a bootstrap paradox thankfully

[restive river]

I wonder if any of those were the excal batch then

[graceful swan]

Arthur may be the first to actually work not the first attempt at Protoframe though

[sly ibex]

We don't know if any previous ones are secretly still alive, and if the next Protos will be from the earlier batches or from ones even after the Hex.

[sly ibex]

I wouldn't be surprised, honestly.

[restive river]

Same, I think it’d be a nice harmless detail if nothing else

[graceful swan]

I do like how they made Eleanor his sister though

[restive river]

I can see it making sense to start with the excal batch since he was the first frame, maybe it’s easier with his strain

[restive river]

Same!
Since they share the same body, the whole genderswap feature that was scrapped and the designs for both dating back to DS

[graceful swan]

I wouldn’t be surprised if Arthur was only the first to actually work but not the first attempt at a Protoframe Albrecht and failed experiments and all

[restive river]

I can see that too

Do you think the new protos will be datable?

[graceful swan]

Probably not

[restive river]

I can see people being upset if thats the case

[somber adder]

I hope they add a Nidus protoframe because Nidus :)

Also tentacles

[graceful swan]

I think DE want that contained into the Hex thing and others may be echoes stuff that’s a one off then skin

[restive river]

I really hope we get a CRT infested monitor armor piece similar to the ones we have for other factions

[restive river]

I do think they’ll include voicelines and give them some level of personality, just not making them full NPCs

[graceful swan]

I do wish the Hex did more than just stand in one spot when you date them and they move in

[somber adder]

I wish they did one particular thing ;)

[restive river]

Its suggested

[graceful swan]

Eleanor said she was bored and I was thinking you’d be less bored if you did more than just stand in one spot ngl

[somber adder]

Oh I know, I just wish I could see it

[restive river]

Maybe in the future
Rebb was inspired by Baldur’s Gate 3….

[somber adder]

Considering Eleanor is voiced by that game’s narrator, that checks out.

[restive river]

Though we don’t have details on our Drifter’s uh. Downstairs
So I doubt much detail unless they give us the same level of control as BG3

[graceful swan]

Now I wanna know if Drifter and Eleanor can actually have kids she does mention it might eat her lol

[restive river]

LOL

[graceful swan]

She brings up all these possibilities

She thinks it shouldn’t even be legal

[somber adder]

Scaldra is very strict with their quarantine so I think they’d be vehemently against human and protoframe relations

[restive river]

All the more reason to do it >:)

[graceful swan]

They’d have to break into the Mall then find the Backroom if they wanna stop me

Think the door is actually still secured

Like the Nekralisk Loid thing before Whispers allowed us to bullet jump through

[proper barn]

I mean putting them in the mall would be a way to have more chats

Also since we can reset after new years we aren't locked into our current choices.

[graceful swan]

What actually happens to the person you are dating when you reset

[proper barn]

They are looped

Woah

[restive river]

I think you get to choose?
We’ll find out in what
13 days?

[graceful swan]

I swear DE missed out a few details about Reset

[restive river]

Do we know when they get back from break

[graceful swan]

Weird thing is they made Reset for if you failed the chats but did forget about succeeding forgetting we may want them to keep talking to us lol

[restive river]

There is def some bugs with the chats rn too

[graceful swan]

I’ve heard people saying Lettie won’t become lover

[restive river]

I got her to that so fast lol

I wish i didn’t have to choose 😔
Let my drifter have both Lettie and Eleanor

[graceful swan]

She was the first to have a Birthday and I heard she also had double chats

So she was the easiest

Still went with Eleanor

[restive river]

Which is funny cause in terms of romance i doing think she was the easiest lol

[restive river]

I’ll be going for her after the reset and kiss tbh

[graceful swan]

Also one chat bug I found is some history of chats are missing for Eleanor for me haven’t actually checked the others

[restive river]

I wanna know how Lettie kisses

[restive river]

Have you checked out the kimulacrum yet?

[graceful swan]

The new ones?

[restive river]

Nono
The KIMulacrum

Someone made a simulated KIM lol

[graceful swan]

lol

[restive river]

I posted it in the archive server

[graceful swan]

I did test that for a min yeah

[restive river]

I’ll ping you on it if you want

Nice

[graceful swan]

Now I wanna try it more

Since not much else to do because of DE

[restive river]

Yeahhh

[somber adder]

Probably ruthlessly

[proper barn]

Wrong

the answer is it's a fight.

[quartz sky]

Sup nerds

[proper barn]

Do you have a question?

[cosmic granite]

Guys, were there dinosaurs/dinosaur-like/prehistoric creatures in the timeline at one point? (Very important question)

[limber pulsar]

warframe earth history is very similar to irl earth history, so probably yea

[quartz sky]

No I just like you guys

[proper barn]

Fair.

[brittle siren]

Unrelated but this quote from AM in I have no mouth game suit Wally well

Hate. Let me tell you how much I've come to hate you since I began to live. There are 387.44 million miles of printed circuits in wafer thin layers that fill my complex. If the word 'hate' was engraved on each nanoangstrom of those hundreds of millions of miles it would not equal one one-billionth of the hate I feel for humans at this micro-instant. For you. Hate. Hate.

[restive river]

They certainly were aware of dinosaurs enough to put inaccurate depictions in the arcade’s laser tag arena

[restive river]

Only problem I see is Wally doesn’t seem to hate
He’s indifferent
Or is for the most part at least

Eleanor’s conversation about him gives us a good idea about how Wally is
Something so large and so indifferent to everything else but still aware of others, his presence makes others feel small because of his indifference.

[brittle siren]

Well from his tone in the scene when he bring us to Zariman, he seem like he really despise Orokin at least

He seem very angry when we save the Hex too

[restive river]

Oh def, from his perspective they stole his finger and used it without his permission

He isn’t just about hate is my point

[brittle siren]

Sure he not hating like AM did but he sure dislike human in some extent

[restive river]

The Orokin do not represent all of humanity

[brittle siren]

Hunhow disagree

[restive river]

He is
Factually racist lol

[brittle siren]

Also he toying with both Drifter and OP, making parents gone crazy, turn the dead soul into Void Angel (kinda tortured them in the process)

Yeah he really sound like AM

At that part

AM: hate human because they make him a warfare AI so he can't be free even after killing most humanity, torture some by making them immortal and well, doing many stuff to torture them ofc

Wally: dislike human because they cut his finger, abusing it power and making him bound by strand of Khra, so he turn parents mad and make children immortal to kill their parents and torture their mind (if Rell didn't hold Wally at bay)

Kinda a reach tbh

Also AM has godlike power, for some reason

[feral cape]

Wally cut his own finger off

Like it's all on him

[brittle siren]

No?

Are you skipping a lore or sth

Because the Mother close the portal, Wally finger was cut

Not him cutting himself

[feral cape]

If I reach my hand into someone's door while there slamming it is the person closing the door responsible for me being hurt

[brittle siren]

Lmao that not how it work

[quartz sky]

We slammed them in the door

I'd be pissed too

[brittle siren]

He don't even know that Albrecht gonna close the door

[feral cape]

Shouldn't have reached his hand into my door

[brittle siren]

Also Albrecht kinda invade Wally home

And he just say hi

[feral cape]

And then chased albretch and tried to follow him

[brittle siren]

Like literally he could make Albrecht gone crazy but no, he did nothing to the old man

[brittle siren]

And? He just want to visit the real world

[feral cape]

Again he reached his into my door while i was closing it

[brittle siren]

But you INVADING HIS HOME

And clearly you open the door first

If you don't open it none of this would happened

[feral cape]

Maybe don't copy people's appearances and taunt them with nicknames form there childhood

[brittle siren]

Your logic make no sense

[quartz sky]

Yeah he was freaked

[brittle siren]

Oh idk, maybe he has NO FORM

He could be literally a child that know nothing better

Maybe he just transform out of instinct

[feral cape]

A child capable of intense psychological manipulation and business making skills

[quartz sky]

This i doubt

[brittle siren]

That literally thousand years later

[feral cape]

And he's as old as stars

[quartz sky]

The void could be billions of years old if it grew alongside reality

[brittle siren]

The VOID is old as the existence, Wally we don't know

[feral cape]

Also like he copied albretchs daughters voice

[brittle siren]

Wally isn't the void

[brittle siren]

When?

[limber pulsar]

wally isnt the void, wally only manifested when albrecht peered in

[brittle siren]

You mean the Duviri voice? That the void using text to speech in Duviri book in Drifter memory

Which voiced by the author

Aka Albrecht Daughter

[cosmic granite]

Now I need a dinosaur based Warframe asap

[feral cape]

No i simply mirembered the log

[feral cape]

Palidino said that thing is as old as stars speaking about wally specifically

[brittle siren]

That only in her POV because she think Wally is old as void, that pure theory

[limber pulsar]

he drew on albrechts memories to call him by his childhood name, but that could very well just be its attempt to connect the only way it can

[quartz sky]

It's all theory until more lore drops

As far as wally

And the sci Fi bits

[brittle siren]

Yeah we only heard from Albrecht POV

[quartz sky]

And he is pretty unreliable

[brittle siren]

Ofc current Wally is evil in a way

But when he was formed, we don't know

[limber pulsar]

and albrecht is literally the one who made him, so hes a slightly more credible source than someone who only knows wally as a random evil god

[brittle siren]

I don't think he is lying, it's more he was panic

[candid lagoon]

wait hold the phouge up

i tho the boy band is individual - now it make sense their have hive mind

[quartz sky]

That's part of the unreliable narrator trope. Not always lying, sometimes our own perceptions and panic trick is into perceiving things differently

[normal mountain]

Oh neat, they talk about it in the KIM

[brittle siren]

He could just exaggerate stuff out of fear

[normal mountain]

Didn't know that

[quartz sky]

Exactlyyy

[candid lagoon]

same i tho we talking about amir lmfao

[brittle siren]

Also didn't he said "if I was a evil person, let me a honest evil being"

Or sth like that

[normal mountain]

No, I meant I didn't know Aoi would talk about it with you
I learned by snooping on the computer by her in the mall

[restive river]

Same

[marble pewter]

So will Hex be stuck in a time loop forever? Do you think they’d get out of it in the future?

[normal mountain]

Maybe when the Wall decides to stop invading 1999

[quartz sky]

Technically they already pushed forward since we're post the moment the bomb would've gone off

But I guess it's the long way

[brittle siren]

Oh so you know that the current (popular) T-Rex design is untrue too?

Irl I mean

[quartz sky]

Feathersssss

[brittle siren]

Ah yeah

They related to chicken after all

And birbs

So Zephyr is a dinosaur frame then

Tbh I don't even know how dinosaurs frame work, since y know nothing really special about them, unless summoning literal dinosaur

[normal mountain]

Would be fun to run with a small pack of velociraptors

[limber pulsar]

nope, theyre still in the loop. them waking up in jan 1st after the quest was the loop restarting to the start of the year

[brittle siren]

Are they hinting a summoner frame next, because not much frame currently benefit from new summon arcane and aura mod

[quartz sky]

Damn. I hadn't gone back after the quest so that'll do it I suppose

[brittle siren]

But isn't the finale description said the future move on the new course

[normal mountain]

That would be cool
'Arise, my minions!'

[quartz sky]

My partner is currently using my switch to play Skyrim

[limber pulsar]

they made a happy ending to the loop, that doesnt mean they broke the loop

[quartz sky]

Aww look at that sweet little emo kid

So if we're talking timelines, we were able to fork off another branch. The loop will always exist but now there's something else?

[brittle siren]

Coda Lich since we come back to the present to fight them

[normal mountain]

Frankly, after Duviri and the New War, Drifters have a right to be as emo as they want

Same with Operators, come to think of it

[brittle siren]

I love the Emo clothes so much

[quartz sky]

My drifter looks like a bald tattooed punk fr

[brittle siren]

The only criticism about Necra Prime suit is it make the drifter too slim

But the helmet is goat

And with emo clothing it fit so much

Imagine DE releasing Coda update after new year

[quartz sky]

We need a workout montage where they finally bulk up a little

It would be very meta

[candid lagoon]

maybe rhino protoframe come to the picture lol

can u imagine the rhino is citizen gym trainer to be protoframe

"gym rat"

[restive river]

Yes, I mentioned the inaccuracy of the design

[marble pewter]

guess thats a long way to go then...I just hope Hex is involved in future quests or something

[brittle siren]

One thing I want DE add when they have Drifter and OP rework, is make Drifter muscular (or add option to make them muscular or slim at will)

Also the neck clipping with necra suit ruin the quest so much

[quartz sky]

Especially now with someone cooking real food at the drifters camp like, come on

[brittle siren]

Because in the Hex quest they remove Drifter helmet (not using the put hood down option)

[proper barn]

Have you read the like logs of this?

It says the coda are basically clones of on-lyne

Also they aren't their own hive mind this isn't what this means.

[normal mountain]

Imperfect clones at that
The manager complains that they can't mimic On-Lyne's physical appearance

[candid lagoon]

issues i basically missed the crucial info
their are CLONE

[proper barn]

Yet

[proper barn]

You can read the logs in aois like room she is in on one of the PCs in there.

Which is the logs aoi is talking about

[brittle siren]

Also I heard that Techrot actually have a mother

Like the leader

[proper barn]

We don't know that just legactyes

[normal mountain]

Well yeah
They have motherboards

[brittle siren]

I heard from 1 of the Hex voiceline

In a mission

[proper barn]

Show?

[marsh flint]

i was farming some void traces and this happened can anyone tell me what it was?

[normal mountain]

Second Dream teaser, iirc

[marsh flint]

oh okay thank you

[normal mountain]

Pops up every now and then

[sly pagoda]

yeah the Coda is basically the record company manager wanting good little money makers not fame riddled young men who do not always do what is optimally profitable. In theory it does mean that the real On-Lyne is out there somewhere.

And if we had to rescue them and keep them safe at the mall, I think the Squee from Aoi would be heard from orbit and maybe across time and space.

(and from what I have read about real world corpos that managed boy bands and even todays Kpop groups, If they could replace the real people with 100% compliant infested clones that are property of the company, they absolutely would. So DE isnt stretching too far here with how the manager for On-Lyne is acting).

[proper barn]

Yeah Elanor tells Aoi that On-lyne is safe.

[proper barn]

Not just k-pop groups Lou Pearlman did it to so many boy bands. Like Nyscn and The backstreet boys. Just not giving them any of their money or anything really.

[obtuse vine]

do we know who the rogue nechramech is in the deimos quest? did they ever explain?

[proper barn]

Yes also she does explain it.

It's G-ma

[obtuse vine]

ohhhh

[proper barn]

You even hear her.

[obtuse vine]

right i completely forgot

[proper barn]

She talks to you after the quest is like "yeah they can be brought together in times of great need"

[obtuse vine]

she does?

damn ight

W grandma

[proper barn]

Also this is why she doesn't take a new name.

[feral cape]

She doesn't take one because she doesn't have one it got literally stolen from her

[normal mountain]

That, and she remembers her old name
It's just not hers anymore

[proper barn]

None of the family have one

[feral cape]

They all had one they just forgor

[proper barn]

Cuz they where all basically taken also names are werid in orokin society.

But yeah I know what you mean.

[feral cape]

No grandma's name was literally taken the rest of the family just forget

[normal mountain]

Technically, it was given

[feral cape]

It was mugged from her

Giving something up at gun point is not the same as giving something

[normal mountain]

To be fair, it was kinda her fault for not having a gift ready on Naberus
But fair

Also, Dagath is one of my favorite warframes, so I may be slightly biased in my take

[proper barn]

I want Dagath prime

To have a GHOST FACE

Like the narbus gylphs

[humble sierra]

Just expanding on this theory I had the other day

The infestation was created by the group that made the Technocyte Coda

Initially it was just an experiment, using computers to generate OnLyne and mimic them digitally so that they wouldn’t have to do strenuous recordings and whatnot

Essentially, just an AI-generated boy band to fill in for OnLyne

Then eventually the management wanted this TechnoCyte Coda to fill in for OnLyne in live performances

[proper barn]

I think it wasn't made by them just thet where working with it after ir started would be by guess.

[humble sierra]

Ah yeah I should double check the messages at some point

This is more so “how the infested got to this stage” than actual infested I guess

[humble sierra]

The company then tried cloning OnLyne and giving them bodies

This went out of control and then the cells start replicating on their own, evolving, resulting in the the infested monsters we fight— from computer viruses to bio-viruses?

Anyways I think this might be one of the reasons why the Orokin are so adamant against actual “AI” technology

[proper barn]

Probably

[sturdy arrow]

My point still stands. The Zariman is A prominent example of the finger chopping, and Drifter was whisked away to there.

[proper barn]

Not to there

They lived there.

[sturdy arrow]

Ye

Wait are you saying Drifter in the present day is in the Zariman while he's in '99???

[lean garden]

point doesnt stand, since you remembered "But those before you were butchers. Flayed flesh... for stolen stars." as "culling something" two wildily different things

[proper barn]

No

[sturdy arrow]

Close enough though that I could still kinda see the 2 aligning. My point is that the first and third line is what brings the Drifter back to Zariman.

[lean garden]

Your point relying on the "stars it fells" to align with "flayed flesh... for stolen stars" but the only "aligned" thing is the stars, there is no "felled" stars at all

[neon moth]

What's the lore behind the existance of clans with up to 1.000 different active void-using, warframe-piloting, mission-doing tenno that all interact and fight beside eachother? I'm assuming there is some explaination just like there was one for cross platform coming because of baro ki teer's void shenanigans

[tall echo]

Groups of tenno come together to form clans.

[neon moth]

Yeah but what's the lore explaination for thousands of operators existing at the same time/in the same reality

[tall echo]

There isn't just one tenno

There were thousands of kids on the zariman who all got void powers

[neon moth]

Are we allowed to mention 1999 here?

[lean garden]

Yes, but that doesnt change what Scrap said

[neon moth]

No, i have a diff question, what's the lore reason behind 4 different drifters being in duviri/1999 hollvania at the same time?

[lean garden]

4?

[neon moth]

Squads

[lean garden]

ludonarrative

[neon moth]

Huh?

[lean garden]

gameplay only

[neon moth]

What gets a lore explaination and what dosen't is super confusing/inconsistent tbh

[graceful swan]

Not really

Most things after quests are gameplay, not lore and some things just aren't lore at all and is just gameplay only and shouldn't be treated as such you being confused doesn't make it something that's actually hard to tell the difference between

[quartz sky]

Tbh since we can go back and forth, I assumed we were just asking for help and bringing in other Tenno for missions.

[river tangle]

i completely forgot stalker has, or had a hideout of some sort deep within uranus

[quartz sky]

Oh yeah his bachelor pad

His divorced dad apartment

[silver plume]

His single parent crashpad

[quartz sky]

A single dad who works two jobs

[restive river]

He doesnt even live there anymore lol

Iirc after the kid was born he left it for good

[quartz sky]

So it's available is what you're saying

So his adopted divorced dad God can move in

[graceful swan]

No Parvos is constantly assaulting it

[restive river]

If you dont mind living with grandpa yeah

[quartz sky]

Booo

[restive river]

Also yeah parvos is constantly assaulting it lol

Solutuon: kill parvos and live with grandpa

[quartz sky]

Give Grandpa the apartment

[graceful swan]

||Plus we get a better crib from our adopted grandfather anyway||

[quartz sky]

True

[restive river]

He already has it

[chilly iron]

*The Great and Terrible Grandpa
He demands his full title XD

[restive river]

Hunhow’s only companu now is his fish

[graceful swan]

I wonder what happens if a person tries going through the Backroom door

[restive river]

If they can get in then they just end up in there

There isnt anything special about the door other than Albrecht’s scrawlings
Which may or may not do something

I doubt it’s like. Void locked or something

[glacial bough]

I doubt, the door only opens by our and Kalymos' bid

[restive river]

Cause the Hex can get back there no problem, though they’re a special case too
Though I’m also sure Albrecht wouldn’t want them there considering his logs

[glacial bough]

People definitely can't just walk in

[restive river]

The Hex could
Though they may have had Kalymos’ help

I def doubt people can just walk in to but I dont think anything happens if a rando just walked in, given they had permission

[graceful swan]

I think we let the Hex in it

They just didn't actually show us in the scene

[restive river]

We were gone by that point

Though yes we def could’ve given them access

Or Kalymos did

Its more likely Kalymos did tbh

[glacial bough]

The Hex can only after Drifter can. They (presumably) didn't know it existed until then

[restive river]

Yeah, which makes me think Kalymos granted access to us and the Hex

[glacial bough]

Drifter is likely the one that let the Hex in given they're only ever there when Drifter is there, or allowed in as their date

[graceful swan]

Albrecht probably gave us access beforehand

[restive river]

There’s a scene with the Hex in the backroom without the Drifter, hence why I specify granted access

[graceful swan]

I'd check the transcript but Wiki never works on mobile and neither is antifandom for some reason now guess I'll have to wait for Gray to make his transcript

Archives is the only website that doesn't crash

[glacial bough]

During the quest? The only times they were in the backroom I remember is during the finale and with your partner

[restive river]

After we get whisked away to the Zariman the Hex are in the backroom deciding on what to do, Quincy leaves and we have to choose who to play as for the next portion

Hex in the Backroom
No Drifter

[quartz sky]

I assumed this was from the drifters perspective

[restive river]

It isn’t, the Drifter’s gone by this point.

This is right after the Drifter gets XATA FASS XATAed away by Wally

[quartz sky]

Fair

[spice spade]

Anyone has a clan i can join ?

[graceful swan]

Wrong channel but yeah I do

[spice spade]

Sorry i am bad at discord stuff lol

Nice whats ur IGN ?

[graceful swan]

I Nemesis LV

[brittle siren]

Question
So Wally didn't give Drifter any void power right?

[sage moat]

DsIEGE did it.
He made a warframe lore video without mentioning the Jungian Shadow

[brittle siren]

[sage moat]

I didn't think he could do it

I didnt know he had it in him

[sage moat]

It's vague I think?

No its a definite no yeah

[brittle siren]

Since if he doesn't, then Drifter power come from the pure void

[sage moat]

Cause duviri and early TNW

The drifters power, tmk, comes from the universe recognizing that these 2 are the same person and trying to reconcile that.

[brittle siren]

Which can probably be soon rival Wally power (when he have no finger)

Wally first mistake to leave Drifter to the void

[sly pagoda]

Being able to loop time means its likely another void creation.

However if it’s actually 1999 than that means the drifter is more powerful than we think and can setup localized time loops in real space.

Also means keep him away from Groundhogs. 😉

[feral cape]

Loid said albretch is responsible for the timeloop

[graceful swan]

Albrecht tech

[feral cape]

Also our powers definitely arnt rivaling wallys wally merged infinite timelines

[quartz sky]

Not a void creation but an aspect Albrecht was able to exploit. "Untime"

Protea for instance can make little time jumps

[quartz sky]

We only merged 2

[feral cape]

We haven't merged any

[graceful swan]

Wally merged timelines not us

[tall echo]

Drifter's powers come from fusing with the operator

[graceful swan]

Maybe, they are referring to the hand slam begin again

[sharp acorn]

Yeah because the Drifter created duviri and is also capable of resetting time loops like he did at the end of the duviri quest. So if Albrecht started the time loop then it's just another duviri situation so it would make sense why the Drifter can make the loop "Begin again!"

I don't think we have any confirmation that the Drifter can create the loops but he can definitely reset a loop

[sharp acorn]

Also he did it before fusing with the operator so it might not be a void power but the void might have amplified the power so it could be used outside of duviri

I'm just theorizing here

[feral cape]

It is void power

[proper barn]

I DONT KNOW

if it's albretch tech.

[shy crater]

Question. I've seen so many discussions on who took control of Arthur's hand and most seem to lean toward the drifter than albercht. The drifter does seem reasonable since we've used transference on arthur before, but what do yall think?

[proper barn]

yes.

smile.

[sly ibex]

Albrecht makes the most sense. I don't see how Drifter could have done that.

Arthur's reaction also made it seem like Albrecht had done that kind of thing to him before.

[proper barn]

oh

just the hand probably albretch.

drifter tries to later.

[silk atlas]

There's also the fact the text message is for a thing Drifter would have no clue about

[rough rose]

do sentients still exits after new war

[silk atlas]

Yeah, they're part of the Narmer and there's also all the ones living peacefully on Tau

[rough rose]

so tau system can still be a thing they add?

[silk atlas]

If they hadn't already said "don't expect Tau soon", sure

[quartz sky]

I'm pretty sure there were hints about going to Tau at some point

[dire mountain]

Yeah

Theres narmer and there's also still literally natah and hunhow

[rough rose]

then

when sentient liches

[silk atlas]

We have enough problems at home

[rough rose]

sentient liches would be the most fitting for liching

bc like

arent sentient whole thing adapting to what they fight

[brittle siren]

https://youtu.be/dhxwAzxKT94

[sage moat]

I need exactly 2 more types of liches and exactly 1 more open world, then we'll have 5 focus schools, 5 adversaries, 5 open worlds, and 5 "main" factions (Infested, grineer, Corpus, sentient, void)

Thinking long game, they're probably saving Tau for the end of the void war / the beginning or middle of the next Saga

It'll prolly be a pazuul thing

Speaking of pazuul, I'd like to speak about pazuul

Specifically his gospel
Paraphrasing:
"And I beheld a great ram, and his horns were crowned with Sol and with Tau, upon his tongue the Zariman flame.
And the void Demon quivered before him, and he feared it not."

Which is just. So much.
Great Ram is referring to himself or the sentient society or narmer, something like that.
Horns crowned with Sol and Tau, makes sense
Upon his tongue the Zariman flame? Is he implying that narmer will harness the tenno? That he'll defeat them? Huh??
And that ENTIRE last sentence raises questions

Condensed:

1. What does Pazuul want with the "zariman flame"
2. How does he know about wally
3. Why is he confident he can overcome wally

[feral cape]

Multiple characters have mentioned going to tau

[sage moat]

The key there is "soon"
We're prolly getting tau even though I don't want to

I feel like us going to tau kinda devalues the new war

[proper barn]

I don't think we are going there soon still.

Not next year is my guess.

2 years is my ballpark.

[feral cape]

I don't

[sage moat]

That's fair. Different readings and such

[proper barn]

I also don't think it does. Also the solar rail in tau is still active btw.

Well half of it is.

Hunhow Destroyed the origin system side in the old war.

[feral cape]

The sentients in tau would very likely posses incredibly different valued and ideals whilst still working towards the same endgame as the other sentients

[proper barn]

There's no reason the tau side wouldn't still be up. I would expect tau to be very different from the Sentients we know.

[feral cape]

There's also the possibility that something got to them

[sage moat]

Tbh I'd not guess we'd get tau till after this arc is through. So 4 or 5 years minimum. But DE is full of surprises. I doubt anyone expected Big Al to bring tau up in 1999

[feral cape]

After all tau went silent according to narmer

[proper barn]

Idk if they said went silent

Tua could have so many cool old battle fields and things from the old war.

[sage moat]

Iirc, the old war was set purely in the origin system

[proper barn]

No we know that even the Mag prime codex

Shows that we invade tau or try to and fail very badly

[sage moat]

Really? Haven't seen that

Neat

[proper barn]

Just when the warframes where made the Orokin had Basically lost

Like hunhow was in the system sentients had taken over all their super weapons

Like the sentients had pushed the Orokin all out of the tau system and where at our door

They destroyed the solar rail later so we couldn't counter attack cus they where so sure of their Victory.

[proper barn]

Also the like Reapers Lament and part of the sacrifice kinda imply that the Orokin get to tau with the sentients and then the sentients start the war.

[proper barn]

Also also the mag prime codex you can read in game now but they do get utterly shreked. Also i love that the Orokin victory is they just "kill" the main sentient and the solar rail is down so tau can't send more troops. "Yay we won cuz they can't invade anymore"

[lean garden]

Technically, having repelled an invasion and ensured that no more goobers are coming are pretty good markers of victory

[proper barn]

But they didn't do the ensuring of that

hunhow did also by what Gara story is THERE WHERE STILL SENTIENTS AS BIG AS HUNHOW AROUND

we still had Sentient destorers just chillin

[lean garden]

Still a victory marker, just because the orokin didnt do it doesnt mean it doesnt qualify for orokin victory

if there is no more units arriving to tilt the ECP then its a win condition already

[lean garden]

Imagine if like in some other ocean planetoid (like Titan) theres just a bunch of full sentients just playing poker the past millenia

[proper barn]

lmao

[lean garden]

"Oh Erra says Tau is silent? nah they just dont wanna talk to him, say hi to gramma"

[dire mountain]

They're using the limbo deluxe throwing weapon skin too

[old dome]

...none of the blue veins were in the sacrifice scenes, right?? this is all very. new? reworked?? idk what the word is

[raw stone]

Oh btw Excal Umbra's sunder helmet is textured differently from his base skin

They just... didn't update it.

[river tangle]

every time i look at the name "the man in the wall", it looks like something out of context, something completely random

[tall echo]

The veins are colored by the emissives, it's just off/missing during the sacrifice

[woven coyote]

Average warframe moment

[old dome]

soooo the one in the pic is before or after the quest??

did they add all that texture (& desaturated his fleshy tones to grey) before or after??

[quartz sky]

That's how I felt about "untime" then Albrecht invented time travel

[raw stone]

The one is the one after a few graphical updates to textures and stuff. Separated from the quest. My guess is The Sunder we see in-quest is its own Model, especially since that regens in the cutscene.

My guess is they just... forgot to update his graphics on Sunder.

[old dome]

the blue veins in his sunder helmet is so interesting to me,, wish they had shown that in the cutscene!!

it really shows what the infestetion had done to his blood vessels & not just the flesh.

[graceful swan]

I think the blue vein was from us

[tall echo]

.

[graceful swan]

Is Scrap grammar policing himself?

[tall echo]

[digital grail]

I get mad when i get slapped for my grammar

On stuff like discord

Not on essays

[graceful swan]

Scrap used to be the guy who wanted everyone to have perfect grammar

I wonder what changed

[digital grail]

His grammar slipped

[old dome]

i like to think it wasnt considering its been there since, apparently, his beta cutscene

[tall echo]

Nothing, I never cared about grammar, I just detect funny typos

[hexed oxide]

cy's dialogue reminds me too much of smth i read from scp

i don't remember the specifics but it was something about some things being defined by the absence of something else, like how cold is defined as absence of heat

this line right here, but not sure what wally would be an absence of

[proper barn]

I love Cy. Also he says stuff i love like "Drive it like you stole it" it's great.

[north jolt]

I actually like Cy's description for void stuff, like this and "Imagine: a color that does not exist. That is where we are"

[restive river]

He’s a void entity?

The void by itself is nothing
I mean there’s energy but before Albrecht it was nothing if I’m remembering correctly

[hexed oxide]

idk if it's just me but i really can't imagine something being nothing unless we are talking about a vacuum

[restive river]

Thats why Cy says its a paradox lol

[proper barn]

This is Cy talking about a Cosmic horrors finger that let's us hyper space jump.

[feral cape]

To compare the nothing of the void pre albretch to merely a vacuum fails to capture how truly empty the void was

A vacuum still has space the void lacks that

[scenic depot]

Is the low taper fade meme still massive whenever warframe is set

[feral cape]

I'm also failt sure vacuums do posses energy which the void also lacked

[restive river]

Until good ol Al came along

[sage moat]

what meal is best to eat void energy during

al-brechtfast

[bright folio]

Did Wally create the murmur?

[lean garden]

yes

[restive river]

It’s an extension of him, it basically is him
The murmur part of the tileset too

[old kettle]

I've been playing "The New War" for the past couple of days. took a break from selling and this story is ✨

[restive river]

It’s so good :]

[old kettle]

Currently the drifter sneaking through the elevator on Fortuna. XD It's kickin my butt in some areas.

[restive river]

The stealth section is rough at times

Try to keep an eye out and plan accordingly
Goodluck!

[old kettle]

Yeah I've been studying them as I go.

I made it to the area with the skill lock before i took a break last night but loading it up ive to start progress from the beginning of the chapter again. Which I don't mind Its like studying for the real exam. 😂

[knotty birch]

Do warframes spread the infestation to people around them due to being infested themselves?

Or are they made in such a way where no spores get out?

[restive river]

Nidus can spread a benign cyst to other frames
But it seems they’re made in a way that they don’t infest others

[hoary vapor]

Do operators physically age, or are they stuck in a child-like appearance for either a very long time or forever?

[knotty birch]

Based on what I've seen people say, the summary of it is "we don't know, but maybe void magic stops it." There isn't really any good explanation either way. The drifter seems to age, but they didn't get void powers

[restive river]

*they didnt get void powers until the New War

[knotty birch]

Yes, but that is a while after the zaramin. Presumably enough time to age a bit

[restive river]

Largely we don’t know if the Operator will age, we know they were in cryosleep since they got put into the dream during the old war but ultimately they are still human, so maybe

[restive river]

Yes, that is a while after their time in Duviri which is when they aged

Drifter kept aging, though was in a time loop
Operator was in the funny dream fridge, so physically they didn’t age

[knotty birch]

I can't wait for The Third Dream where it turns out everything up until now was a dream and it's actually 1995 and you're just a regular guy living in regular Canada

[restive river]

[woeful nest]

Ngl I'm listening to The Great Despair trying to figure out if there's hidden lore foreshadowing in there

[restive river]

Turns out we were all just Steve/Rebb dreaming about making a cool game about space ninjas

The Great Despair has ties to Wally

[woeful nest]

The "love is time" lyric really, REALLY screams important to me but I DON'T KNOW WHY-

It feels bigger

I feel insane

[restive river]

We unlocked it through the ARG by spreading the signal, indifference is mentioned in the song and after we unlocked it if you went back to the website Wally would thank you :)

[woeful nest]

Fair

But still, could the concepts of love and time actually have links in the Warframe universe

[restive river]

Love is time is also mentioned during the quest

[knotty birch]

It spread. Like the infestation

[restive river]

Yes, heavily

[woeful nest]

When tf-

I must've missed it

[restive river]

Love is how we fight Wally and we’re mucking with Time right now lol

[restive river]

One of the On-Lyne boys mention it before the song plays during the quest

[knotty birch]

We won't fight Wally. We will win him over with love

[restive river]

When things look bad for the Hex

[restive river]

Oh we will fight him
Just with love

Its his opposite, the “poison to his plan”

[knotty birch]

Personally I'm a believer of the "Wally wants to love, but is scared and confused" theory

[restive river]

We know he wants what we got

We also have seen the effect it has on him in whispers

Thing is, I think if we “befriend” Wally we’d only be befriending a part of him

Also like
Making friends with one of our number 1 abusers is not going to be easy

Forgiveness is one thing (not like he’s looking for that anyway)
But befriending? Loving him?

[knotty birch]

I'm not sure if we'll be making friends with him so much as putting him at ease

[woeful nest]

We're really gonna kill an eldritch chaos void god with a hug aren't we

[restive river]

I dont think we can kill him

Plus the Murmur as a faction will likely continue to exist so his influence will likely remain

But big changes could happen
We shall see

[woeful nest]

What does it even want

To be us? To make the universe its playground?

[restive river]

It wants what we got

Also its finger back
Also whatever we owe it

[knotty birch]

Human experiences maybe?

It wants to be?

[hoary vapor]

Not just Wally but also the Hex imo. It might mean both

Same with Party of Your Lifetime. It's viewed as a secretly sinister infested song. Now it can be viewed as a victorious song for the Hex

[woeful nest]

we still have no idea what we owe do we

[restive river]

"Whatever Papa touched, the Indifference, the Murmur, I think it's lonely. It wants to be a part of what we've got going on. Only, it doesn't know that. And it does its best to join in, but it's clumsy. Ignorant. So everything about it is… skewed. Half-assed. You follow?"

[knotty birch]

We owed it the page, but we saw how that went

[restive river]

I still think its “our light” which may be our Oro but we don’t really know yet

[restive river]

That was tact onto the deal and we refused

[woeful nest]

So it does want to be us but it just... doesn't even understand itself

[knotty birch]

Yes

I consider it as a result of the deal

Related to what the deal was

[restive river]

If I had to guess it was a nothing, albrecht made it a something but it was still ultimately very absent as Albrecht’s emotions about himself and the void weren’t great

I believe non-bios, like Cy and the Lotus potentially see Wally in a truer way
A paradoxical nothing, both something and nothing

This is only because of Cy’s lines and because I think Lotus wasn’t just saying “nothing” at the end of TNW to comfort us, she saw a nothing.

But that’s just speculation, I should make that clear

[proper barn]

2nd thing probably

[glacial bough]

I can't take any speculation of Wally not understanding what it's doing or wanting friendship or the like at face value when you compare it to all the actively malicious actions he's taken

[feral cape]

In literally everything a villain could be the most evil thing ever and someone will try and argue that there not evil

[marble pewter]

Good point..hmm but if it really is a “child” in a sense, someone should srsly have a convo with it or something.

[feral cape]

I've seen people try and argue tokinada a bleach villain from a ln isn't that evil when in his book he literally says I want to cause pain and suffering simply because i can

[marble pewter]

It’s been a while since I read Bleach but yea if he states that then it’s pretty straightforward

[feral cape]

You wouldn't know him if you only read the manga

[marble pewter]

Ah no wonder the name doesn’t sound familiar to me

[feral cape]

He's the primary antagonist in the light novel can't fear your own world

Takes place 6 months after tybw and follows hisagi

Its an amazing read and has 2 exclusive bankiais

[marble pewter]

Oh now I want to read all the light novels, that’s interesting

[feral cape]

Actually no 1 exclusive bankia now

[marble pewter]

Cool cool, now with the whole Wally thing, the game and in some KIM convos implies it’s a child in a sense. Would that be accurate? That it just doesn’t know any better?

[glacial bough]

No, Wally is far beyond being a child

[feral cape]

I think those are misguided as wally has a very clear understanding of human psychology

[glacial bough]

Wally makes choices that he knows will cause emotinal imbalance, and supports choices that lead to that

[marble pewter]

I wonder why, does it come down to Albrecht’s actions that day or the cut finger?

[glacial bough]

Because it what he feeds on

[feral cape]

Because he's mean

Also that

[glacial bough]

He gets stronger the more turmoil there is and thus able to have more presence

[marble pewter]

Feeds on..yea that’s an accurate way of summarizing it

[glacial bough]

One of his ultimate goals is to be free of whatever is keeping him shackled

[marble pewter]

Was this specifically stated in any quest? My memory is hazy on this lol

[fresh quarry]

yo doesnt the system speak english

because in the rell quest im pretty sure rell writes in english with blood

[glacial bough]

They speak a common shared language, yes

It's english for the ease of the biggest audience

But in universe is likely the same kind of distiction Star Wars uses with it's "Galactic Basic"

[digital escarp]

No one really speaks English. Its a fake language

[feral cape]

I don't think he feeds off it

I think it's just the extremist form of making his existence known

[feral cape]

^

[marble pewter]

That’s a good point yea. Wally didn’t really “exist” before did they? They were just this vast thing, alive because the Void is alive but not actually existing in a more recognizable form until now

[regal summit]

Can someone tell me more about Entrati or at least give me a general understanding?

[proper barn]

Which one? There are like 4 well 6(?) People with the last name entrati

Do you mean Albretch or?

@regal summit

[regal summit]

Albretch

[humble sierra]

Brass tacks about Albrecht (from my understanding)

• Was a scientist under the Orokin empire
• Studied the Void — likely because the Orokin had run the origin system dry and he was searching for any bit of hope
• Others mocked him because they saw the Void as literally nothing, besides a way to get Kuva (or he might’ve discovered Kuva, idk)
• He made significant breakthroughs that gave him status
• Eventually they got bored so he tried entering the Void itself
• He was full of fear, not knowing if there was “something to fear” in the Void— and the leading theory is that the Void took his fear and created “something to fear”— the Man in the Wall.

It was just a lookalike that reached its hand out, MITW approached him, Albrecht ran and got scared, closed the Void Portal, which cut off MITW’s fingers, which grew. The other Orokin studied the fingers and used them to create Reliquary Drives that powered the ships

Albrecht stopped Continuity out of paranoia that he was forever changed by his encounter with MITW, and by the time we see him in game, his sole purpose seems to be to stop MITW

[proper barn]

A Orokin scientist but yeah.

[humble sierra]

Yeah wasn’t sure if he had the rank or not, ty

Also worth mentioning that his daughter, Euleria (Mother in the Necralisk) worked with him on various void related projects, and he likely cut her off after the Incident

[proper barn]

She work books with him

And her own after.

[proper barn]

Also after this loid like took care of him for God knows how long.

He did then the cavia experiments.

[quartz sky]

Creating something based on your feelings is its MO. I still think that the naming aspect gives it power. I really think by naming it Wally it'll give it an actual form and some freedom

I think by naming it man in the wall he started a game of hide and seek. By introducing it to fear and violence it's first encounter we created an Eldridge terror

By violence I mean slamming the door on his fingers and then using them for our tech

Which is pretty rude

[quartz sky]

I get this dialogue from her a lot that all she had left of him was the glass. She talks as though he's missing or lost. Which I suppose he is

I think his obsession with it all is actually what's motivated Wally the most

Like the duviri folks, I think he just wants the plot moved forward

And if he thinks the plot is supposed to be scary per Albrechts feelings, so be it

[chrome rivet]

I haven't seen Kalymos after getting the Hex good ending.

Is he wandering around the mall?

(Wait, is Kalymos male or female?)

[graceful swan]

Kalymos is in on of the missions

[graceful swan]

Female

[chrome rivet]

Only for that?

[graceful swan]

Yes

[chrome rivet]

Dang

I wanna see her wander around the mall.

Like that one roomba

[silent mulch]

What are the specifics of the Drifter's ability to rewind time?

At first I thought they could could do it because Duviri is a "fake" world, created from the Drifter's mind, but Höllvania isn't, yet they can rewind time there.

I can't find any details about it.

[humble sierra]

1999 has a loop, presumably created by Albrecht

Drifter just amplified the loop to go from one day (Dec31) to the whole year

Presumably they can do this because of their experience with the Duviri Paradox

[silent mulch]

Oh, I see.

I wish the Hex quest was replayable so I could catch those details again.

[humble sierra]

It likely will be replayable, they usually wait a content update or two before letting people replay quests

[frail rose]

Why does the Drifter keep the year loop? Is it because realistically it took them many loops to bond with the Hex, or because it's the only way to keep the Individual in the Vertical Structural that Encompass a Room locked?

[humble sierra]

Of course Duviri’s still not replayable

[humble sierra]

There’s some specific reason I think, 1999 has significance and I think the loop is to prevent MITW’s return to 1999?

[lean garden]

They didnt get bored so he entered the void, he was desperate to prove himself right

My departure was a day less than any other. When I stepped inside the Bell, I saw no crowd through its seriglass. No skeptical onlookers. No regal sendoff. **They all had given up on me and my paradoxical formulations. The wasted years had all shown the Void to be just that. **Nothing. No energy. No entanglement. No form. To space-faring ambitions, a dead end. On the day, my laboratory was mostly vacant of witnesses, most of all, of expectation.

In truth, he was a Void himself.** An outcast, a joke, a nothing. Driven by my humiliation. Failure had made me bitter and reckless. I would dive into the depths myself to prove them all wrong.**

[lean garden]

The fun thing is that he never named Wally the man in the wall

that was Rell

[silent mulch]

and the Rell quest isn't even required for progression, afaik

unless they changed that

[lean garden]

its required

[humble sierra]

Yeah it’s a main story quest

Can’t do the Sacrifice without it

[quartz sky]

Yeah there's no way Albrecht would humanize it lol

[graceful swan]

Rell copying Albrechts homework but changing it up a little

[drifting mirage]

I mean, Rell likely perceived it differently because neurodivergent

[humble sierra]

Anyone got Ordan Karris’ obscured model that shows up in the Lotus hidden fragment?

[graceful swan]

This?

[humble sierra]

Yep but I was hoping for a better look

I’m guessing that probably doesn’t exist besides entering game files

[tall echo]

It's just some other character with a weapon glued to them

[north jolt]

Originally I thought the other implied fingers (besides the one on the player's railjack) were basically cloned from the first, but I guess Wally just had a lot of fingers :d

[graceful swan]

They are clones of the originals

[north jolt]

So it was just the one (or few?) fingers cut off during the incident?

[graceful swan]

Originals were cut off and cloned and then originals were sealed away

[woven coyote]

Just nitpicking but those arent "lotus" hidden fragments

[glacial bough]

Albrecht didn't give it the proper name, though he still called it "that man, in that wall"

[graceful swan]

“that man, trapped in the wall.”

[river tangle]

what was pazuul looked like before he possessed erra?

[graceful swan]

How he looks now

[river tangle]

i thought he was like, a ram skull floating around

[graceful swan]

Pazuul didn't posses Erra

He just put his mind into his ram body

[proper barn]

No lul all the Archons are like "dead" Sentients being graffed on other dead things.

[raw stone]

Where are we in lore discussion today? Pazuzu and his little pet Erra?

[proper barn]

Not a pet

Just his body.

[raw stone]

I know. But if it looks like a puppet and acts as a puppet, and it is his puppet, isn't it all just one big -- hold on. Creepy disc 13 track "Our Disease", egh... -- then it's all just one big puppet show. Whose hand's gonna pop outta erra's lifeless bones? Pazuzu? Thanos? Some other third, mysterious option? For now and probably indefinitely as it is squarely an "EX-stage Sortie" type; Archon Hunts and Pazuul's current efforts are tied to one another in that again, "EX-stage Sortie"

I want to see an end to Erra and Pazuul, for as little time as he was given.

[heavy widget]

I know the Doylist (out of universe) meaning of “The Great Despair” song, but do you think, in-universe, it’s a Love song?

[proper barn]

Yeah it even has a "happy" ending.

[high bay]

So like how much of a given material is in a single unit of resource? Like if I have one unit of nanospores, how much space does that take up?

[restive river]

I think it depends on the resource

[sage moat]

an orokin cell is probably about the size you see them in game

a unit of nanospores is prolly rather small

[restive river]

Well thats a Cell Array

[sage moat]

i mean the dropped cells

[restive river]

You can use the decorations from the market actually

[high bay]

Hmm… makes sense. I asked because I was curious if the 3,484,950 Kuva I dumped into a riven for 1k rolls was more Kuva than the Grineer queens had

[sage moat]

one unit of kuva is probably just like, a small drop. maybe a mist. so i imagine one of the kuva icons is around 3500 kuva. so what you've dumped into that riven was probably close to uhhhhhh a swimming pool or two?

we dont actually know how much kuva the worm queen has. presumably a lot cause of kuva liches. presumably theres a lot of kuva liches since we know there's a lot of sisters of parvos.

[sage moat]

this doesnt come from any realy evidence i just think it makes sense given how kuva extraction works, how rare its supposed to be, and the general vibe of how people talk about it

[edgy spire]

I need some help with the Lore of the Drifter and Operator. I'm having a discussion with a friend of mine.

[graceful swan]

What's the question?

[edgy spire]

Essentially we agree that they are the same person,but I am saying they are an alternative timeline version of the operator,and he is saying that can't be true, because that would make them separate entities.

[graceful swan]

Drifter is an alternative timeline Operator who took the deal and didn't get saved he read the book and it became real

[restive river]

they both are and are not separate entities

1999 also just
flatout has them being separate
and lotus eaters
They’re the same person, linked by their connection, but separate due to their differing history

Yesn’t
Eternalism :D

[glossy mountain]

Question what is Nidus in the lore of things? He's one of my favourite frames and I've played the game on and off for a few years but never really tried getting into the lore stuff properly

[graceful swan]

They can both share the same body and be seperate

[graceful swan]

He's just a an infested on top of Infested frame that can infect frames

[restive river]

Benign cyst :]

[glossy mountain]

Ah ok cool, I knew about the infection thing (the cist on the necks of frames he comes in contact with)

[humble sierra]

The hidden message from Ordan Karris in the Cephalon fragment named “Lotus”

[glossy mountain]

Are there any other infected Frames? Or just ole Nidus Touch

[restive river]

Every frame is infested

Nidus is just extra infested

[glossy mountain]

Ah ok 🤣

[tall echo]

All cephalon fragments have pieces of ordan's death story

[graceful swan]

Cephalon Scrap fragments when?

[tall echo]

I haven't thrown away any memories

[restive river]

Likely story

[graceful swan]

With a name like Scrap that can't be true

[tall echo]

I wouldn't mind losing the memory of the name's origin, but it is as stuck as any other memory. I forget some, but I do not discard

[uneven vine]

Kuva queen is just the Slurm queen’s sister

[humble pawn]

has anyone noticed how original Lotus had a body language that looked kinda awkward (not to mention outdated since its from 2013) and new war lotus has a body language that looks like shes happy or feels free and accepts shes in this body?

maybe im tripping but its just an observation

she has a slight smile in the TNW skin too

[quartz sky]

Hiding her cleavage too always felt like she no longer sees herself just as a pretty tool

[restive river]

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[peak salmon]

Bro he's everywhere wth

[quartz sky]

Her outfit feels more practical too

[humble pawn]

idk about that one 😭 but probably

actually youre probably right

she has the same old outfit when you pick margulis

[quartz sky]

Especially the way ballas acted. He was kinda crazy, I wouldn't be surprised if he also objectified her quiet a bit

[humble pawn]

he didnt care about his number one supporter who was erra

or anyone for that matter

[north jolt]

Making sure the grineer cant harvest more kuva by taking it first and making it forever disappear while using it to roll a stug riven is a brilliant tactic

[high bay]

It’s worse than a stug riven, it’s an Archgun riven that I’ve been told is cursed to forever be bad

And after 1k rolls invested, I’m inclined to agree

[quartz sky]

Yeah f ballas fr

[high bay]

Hunhow was so real when he called Ballas the golden lord of lies

[quartz sky]

Golden Lord of lies these nuts on his face

[proper barn]

In the messages Drifter says they get like "teleported" to duviri or something.

[graceful swan]

Makes sense

[proper barn]

Like it seems that like Operator and drifter lived through all the same moments until exactly the "deal" and then He gets like put into a different Zariman or something. That's when the timeline Diverges. It's after they use "void powers" and hunt/cage/whatever the adults. @edgy spire @graceful swan

So like I don't get the timeline right now really.

[quartz sky]

We recombined the timelines

Like the void trader did lol

[proper barn]

We didn't though

Well

[quartz sky]

They exist in tandem at least

[proper barn]

I have a whole thought that drifter only exists as a echo of what the timeline was supposed to be

[humble pawn]

is hunhow actually evil or nah

[proper barn]

And they have a "timeline" or anything just they exist cuz of what a Zariman tablet says "if you alter the timeline far enough from its original outcome fragments still exist"

[proper barn]

In what way?

[quartz sky]

Oh yeah. I think it's a totally dissociative state

[humble pawn]

isnt all sentients evil except lotus/natah

[proper barn]

WELLL

[quartz sky]

He was really powerful once upon a time, and also might be a God, but now he's just our angry grandpa

[proper barn]

What do you mean by evil?

[humble pawn]

wait are there spoilers for post new war

[proper barn]

No this is background lore.

[quartz sky]

A matter of perspective tbh. They wanted freedom

[humble pawn]

evil as in like the kuva where they wanna kill everyone or the corpus where theyll do anything for money

[proper barn]

We could talk about it

The grinner

Not the kuva the kuva isn't a faction.

[humble pawn]

oh

[proper barn]

Kuva grinner exist as like elite troops.

[proper barn]

Have you played the new war?

[humble pawn]

yeah i just finished it

i only thought hunhow was evil cause of the Natah quest where he said that lotus betrayed them and the tenno were bad or smth

[proper barn]

Okay

What do you think the old war was?

[humble pawn]

orokin vs sentients and the infection was spreading

this is like halo

[proper barn]

The Infested wasn't spreading.

[quartz sky]

But why do you think the orokin and sentients fought?

[humble pawn]

i originalyl thought the orokin were the good guys and sentients were bad guys but im pretty sure all factions in warframe are inheritenly neutral due to them wanting something for their own people

[proper barn]

The Orokin did farm some Infested though to make warframes. That's later in the old war.

[proper barn]

This isn't true.

Also the tenno kill all the Orokin.

Why would the tenno do a mass execution of a class of people if they weren't terrible?

Also all the Orokin stories we know are them being the worst people ever.

[quartz sky]

Tenno who used to be people but were turned into Warframe, often against their will

Sephalons used to be people too

And we're turned as a punishment

[proper barn]

No that's just warframes tenno are the ones piloting warframes.

[quartz sky]

There's a lot of unethical experiments

Ya u right

But the Tenno would know how they felt via transference so it's no surprise why they rose up

[proper barn]

@humble pawn Orokin are normal people that just are "royal" cuz they say they are. Only looking like they do cuz they have body mods and stuff for it. Only living as long as they do cuz they change bodies with children and "exotic" people when they get old.