lore-discussion

[sharp acorn]

Not a very nice friend considering he had us executed a thousand times

[latent moon]

If you go back and look at the memories the drifter sees, we do have a sibling

[humble sierra]

He did that after Drifter grew up

[glacial bough]

He's not. Dominus is just a character from Duviri, like everything else

[latent moon]

Right, we turned him into dominus

[glacial bough]

All the flashbacks in Duviri are of you, the player

[latent moon]

Ye

And we have a sibling

[glacial bough]

No sibling

[sharp acorn]

That was our kid Tenno

[humble sierra]

We do and don't have a sibling, it's entirely optional

[glacial bough]

Dominus is not related to us in any way like that

[humble sierra]

The Warden isn't actually Ballas either, just Kullervo's manifestation of him

[latent moon]

It's not Ballas literally, it's Ballas's emotions/will turned real.

[sharp acorn]

I was about to say he looks and sounds an awful lot like Balas

[glacial bough]

And Dominus is not any kind of sibling to us

[humble sierra]

Yeah I edited the message

Whether or not the Drifter has a sibling is optional to the player btw, there's at least two chats with characters about it, and in one of them you can outright deny ever having a sibling

I think with Arthur you can say "I have no clue what it's like to grow up with someone"

So it's mostly roleplaying

[sharp acorn]

Yeah I chose to have a sibling because I have two little brothers

[latent moon]

I'm pretty sure in one of the drifter's memories your parents are celebrating your siblings birthday or something and you're sad off to the side

[sharp acorn]

But after the dialogue I'm starting to see the implications of that

[humble sierra]

of course through Eternalism all is possible so the Drifter has a sibling and doesn't have any sibling

[glacial bough]

The party is the Joy memory.

The only one that could imply a sibling is the Envy memory

[humble sierra]

There's another chat with Quincy that has multiple contradictory paths too regarding the fate of your parents-- whether you personally killed them with your powers, stood by as others killed them, or locked them in a room and watched them tear themselves apart

[latent moon]

Can you replay Duviri Paradox?

[sharp acorn]

"there's a reason I hate the man in the wall." Implies that my Little brothers are most likely dead

[humble sierra]

Unfortunately not

[latent moon]

Hmmm

Might have to go find a youtube vid of someone else playing it then xD

[glacial bough]

Which falls in line with the options presented in War Within

[humble sierra]

Also worth noting that this is contradictory to Drifter's backstory too because I don't think Drifter ever had Void Powers prior to Duviri and New War

[latent moon]

Correct

[sharp acorn]

They didn't

Unless after gaining void powers they began sharing memories or at least asked their kid version about what happened after the void jump

I mean we have been able to hear past memories of other people so why wouldn't we be able to hear the memories of the other version of ourselves

[humble sierra]

Plus it's possible that a lot of universes merged during that handshake cutscene in TNW?

Much like how Baro merged everyone

[alpine swallow]

Calling it now: DE is gonna drop a twist reveal that Drifter's Sibling was Jade’s former Operator.

[glacial bough]

That would be random to say the least, and doesn't fit with the established fate of our possible sibling

[restive river]

Our sibling is very likely dead

[humble sierra]

If there's any stuff that's revealed in the chats which gets relevance, it'll have to get some screentime in a quest for people to see it anyways

Because it's possible to miss the sibling chat

[latent moon]

Wait what?

[alpine swallow]

IIRC it was from when crossplay was enabled

Every Baro across every version is the Baro Ki'teer

No more Jade Baro, Obsidian Baro, Epic Baro, just the one and only

[latent moon]

When you said jade baro my brain mixed the two and I imagined pregnant baro ki’teer….. merry Christmas to you too T^T

[slow phoenix]

Now you need to only say "when baro give birth" to kickbot

[humble sierra]

TL:DR Baro made a deal with the Man in the Wall to have a larger clientele, which resulted in merging platforms and cross play

[latent moon]

Ooooh

They really needed a lore reason for that, huh? xD

[humble sierra]

Doesn’t hurt to have!

Well, maybe it does hurt. We don’t quite know what Wally got out of that deal yet

[latent moon]

Wally just wanted to support a local business!

[obtuse vine]

he liked how baro found a way to steal prime parts from tenno

[feral bolt]

How does the drifter travel back and forth to 1999? Think i missed something

[humble sierra]

Through the Void

Their stuff is recreated with the Techrot Helminth

I think

[obtuse vine]

canonically the drifter is stuck in 1999 i think.

[humble sierra]

I think there's some messages that say they're still capable of going back

[thorny barn]

why does albrecht want hollvania to blow up

[humble sierra]

Have you completed the finale?

[tall echo]

He doesn't

[graceful sand]

why is eris infested?

[tall echo]

Because it is

[humble sierra]

||He doesn't. He was simply creating stakes for the Drifter so they'd go further back in the loop and then learn to 'love'||

[humble sierra]

Infestation is everywhere, Eris got neglected and a lot of junk was sent there which caused the infested to thrive unchecked

[tall echo]

Drifter didn't cause the loop to go to the start of the year, that was albrecht

[graceful sand]

oh i sese

[tall echo]

Well, the whole sending junk there happened later, as it's where the corpus leave ships that were overrun with infested

[humble sierra]

Ah my mistake

[tall echo]

Eris was already an infested planet by then though

Pretty much literally

[thorny barn]

nah

[woven coyote]

I understood that albrecht created the og loop and then drifter extended it where does it explain otherwise?

[tall echo]

The mail loid sends after the quest

[lyric hedge]

just noticed this, is that the actual man in the wall that we are in?

like, how does having a giant hole in the wall of the sanctum not raise any red flags that this is horribly wrong?

[tall echo]

The entire void part of the sanctum tileset is wally's realm

[lean garden]

Loid says that albrecht pushed it to the start of the year

[restive river]

Even though that was us, not Albrecht

[lean garden]

Drifter,

I can make no sense at all of these readings. Your site of temporal injection has somehow shifted. Your loop now encompasses the entire year of 1999.

Albrecht's interference is to blame, no doubt. What does he feel you need more time to achieve? He surely must have given guidance, however cryptic!

I can offer one service, at least. I discovered a clandestine blueprint among Albrecht's personal effects, for a Warframe so secret it was never named. It is yours.

Loid
We may have restarted the loop, but it seems to be suggested by the way the game is framing it to have been pushed by albrecht

[restive river]

From what we saw it seemed like it was us, not Albrecht
We restarted the loop, the requiems seem to appear because of us

[lean garden]

Which does not preclude for a moment that Albrecht was the one who widened the loop

[chilly iron]

Yeah Loid thinks Albrecht invented sliced bread, and couldn't possibly be wrong about anything ever. I'm pretty sure it was us, we did the Duviri Thump

[restive river]

We def initiated the loop at the end and considering the loop already existed I do think we extended it

[trim kettle]

is the drifter always chosen for the hex even if you chose for them to watch lotus?

[restive river]

Wdym watch the Lotus?

The Drifter is specifically the individual who needs to go to 1999, not the Operator

[trim kettle]

in the previous quest with lotus at the cliffside

w/ the phone

[restive river]

You dont choose who watches her in Lotus Eaters

She tells us the Drifter specifically has to be the one to go

[proper barn]

It's his part of the Void that is attacking the Labs.

Like how duviri is its own part of the Void and Even parvos has his own part. @lyric hedge

[trim kettle]

ah

[sharp acorn]

Which is just a funny way of saying DE doesn't want a child to rizz up the hex

[restive river]

I think the lore reason may have to do with their experience with loops but yes that is also a reason

Romancing the hex is also like. Entirely optional
You can be platonic if you want for whatever reasons one may have

[sharp acorn]

I mean we are thousands of years old even if we were asleep for the majority of that time

[sharp acorn]

I know that and my brother plans to keep a platonic relationship with them but I want to rizz up Aoi

[restive river]

Have fun with that

[restive river]

Yes but physically the Op is still a child and no matter their mental-age it’s better overall to not have them engage in romantic behavior

Also Drifter has more in common with the Hex tbh

[sharp acorn]

Yeah true

[digital grail]

Ong drifter has better trauma

[graceful swan]

Dunno about that

[digital grail]

Drifters died again and again and has had no-one

[chilly iron]

If you think about it, a group of ex military adults isnt really going to have much to do with a 13? 14ish? year old child showing up and trying to make friends in the middle of a world ending crisis.

[graceful swan]

He had a friend

[chilly iron]

"Go on home kid" is the nicest way they would shoo off the operator and the world would be doomed XD

[digital grail]

Yeah still he's been through alot

[graceful swan]

So has Operator

Who’s had it worse is always going to a a debated topic

But there’s no real answer

[digital grail]

We don't know overly much about drifters many deaths but they've been similar

[restive river]

It’s not really fair to compare traumas, both went through hell, just different hells

[unkempt swan]

How much spoiler free should we go in this chatroom?

[tall echo]

No unreleased stuff

[unkempt swan]

I had a question about the lotus
When we feed her the crystal from the arcon't ordis says she's an eidolon

But I thought she was a sentient

So what's the difference?

[tall echo]

Eidolons are undead sentients

[unkempt swan]

Oh
Ok

That's what I was missing

Thanks

[proper barn]

she was just a hand

like that's how dead she was she just litearlly just a hand.

[unkempt swan]

Didn't she have a face too?

[proper barn]

Eidolons are fractured/dead/undead Sentients. like the Eidolons on Cetus are all sentients their like leader/ original sentient they came from died. it's why they are all missing a part.

[tall echo]

After the first shard

[proper barn]

Each eidolon on cetus is missing a limb and they have taken something from the plains to use in place of it.

[tall echo]

Her hand is all that drifter brought back when they left duviri

[unkempt swan]

Ai we can theoretically resurrect the Cetus eidolon by finding their missing parts ?

[proper barn]

well they don't exist

[tall echo]

The entire eidolons barely exist

In theory it should be able to regenerate if it gets some temple kuva though

Maybe a few shards

[proper barn]

i mean they are all fragments of a bigger sentient

so idk. it's like trying to make whole like the little guys we fight.

[unkempt swan]

How big was those things

[proper barn]

the cetus one was huge

[tall echo]

Yes

Maybe as big as hunhow

[proper barn]

but that one was killed by gara

[proper barn]

also she did not before we give her 1 shards.

the hand we see in duviri is the only part drifter brings back

also you can see it's just a hand in new war

[tall echo]

I wonder if hunhow would turn into an eidolon too if we void nuke him

[proper barn]

why would we do that

also probably.

[tall echo]

Curiosity kills the... friend?

[sharp acorn]

Why would you do your space grandfather like that

[tall echo]

I must know

Unlike cordylon I am very focused on more... practically useful research

[unkempt swan]

So the drifter get's the hand of the lotus and go back to real space to save her and bring down narmer without knowing anything?

[tall echo]

Well they were probably informed on the state of the system by ordis

[proper barn]

yeah by ordis

but also they get out of duviri cuz of the operator and the lotus being sent to the void.

basiclly duviri happens in the fade to black and then we have to log back in time

[unkempt swan]

Alright but how does ordis know the operator ? Is it because they have the same DNA as the operator ?

[tall echo]

What do you think?

[unkempt swan]

I'm missing the moment when the drifter enter real space in a middle of a war and find is way to lotus and ordis so it's hard to speculate

Does the zariman enter real space during the war or after ?

[tall echo]

Yeah that moment doesn't exist it's just tnw act 1 - duviri paradox - tnw act 2&3

[unkempt swan]

That could explained some things

[tall echo]

After

[unkempt swan]

Si the drifters don't come from the zariman

They had to enter real space somewhere ordis would find them

[tall echo]

They just left the void, probably ended up on or near the orbiter

[unkempt swan]

Maybe the transcendence machine at the back of our ship is the key

If I had to make a guess I would said that we enter real space near that device

[proper barn]

The drifter gets lotus' hand

in duviri. we SEE IT YOU PLAY IT

[tall echo]

Ok and

That doesn't explain how they got to the orbiter

[proper barn]

my guess is that Ordis would be looking for us

[unkempt swan]

Space is too big for that

[tall echo]

Just how they have ZA HANDO

[proper barn]

Also The hand might tell them

it tells the drifter where to go in Duviri.

[unkempt swan]

Why would the hand know where the orbiter is

[tall echo]

Guidance power

[proper barn]

IDK WHY WOULD IT KNOW WHERE ANYTHING IN DUVIRI IS

[tall echo]

Might just be a duviri thing though

[proper barn]

Lotus has powers

[unkempt swan]

Operator can teleport from there warframe to the system in the orbiter

[proper barn]

wha

Not exactly

[unkempt swan]

How so ?

We do that in the game

[proper barn]

with how transferance works

you are in where the frame is. you just are energy inside the frame.

[woven coyote]

Actually that just might be how
Ordis picked up lotus' signal from the hand

And went to investigate

[proper barn]

also that.

[tall echo]

Good point that's... so obvious actually

[proper barn]

I SAID THIS

[woven coyote]

Even in duviri the hand was quite ....lively imagine after it got out

[proper barn]

anyway

yeah.

[tall echo]

Not directly

[unkempt swan]

But aren't warframe just drone in a sense ?

[tall echo]

Yeah... no

[unkempt swan]

They are remotely controlled from the safety of the orbiter

[proper barn]

ehhhh not really after the second dream/war within

[unkempt swan]

Expect when you go personnally deal with thing

[proper barn]

even then you are kinda not there but also kinda there.

[tall echo]

Remotely controlled until tww

[proper barn]

yeah

[unkempt swan]

So if the warframe die the drifter/operator does too ?

[proper barn]

depends

[graceful swan]

Not necessarily

[unkempt swan]

If there are just energy inside the frame they would die for sure

[proper barn]

i mean eh

[graceful swan]

You can literally use an ability to go to frame kill 3 enemies and revive it

[limber pulsar]

why would it?

[proper barn]

We do energy surges and thats' the like how we revive a frame.

[graceful swan]

Last Gasp

[proper barn]

also stalker literally is angry cuz he can't actually kill the tenno

[tall echo]

There are some hints that point towards tenno potentially dying when the warframe is killed too badly

[proper barn]

even when he kills a lot of warframe

that's the whole plot of the second dream.

is Stalker mad he can't actually kill the tenno by killing the frames.

[graceful swan]

Doesn’t Helminth just heal the frame in most cases

[proper barn]

also true

[unkempt swan]

After further thinking yes the energy should be able to go back to the operator

[unkempt swan]

That must be frustrating for real

Poor guy

[graceful swan]

Also the intro to TSD did say you kill them yet they rise again

[unkempt swan]

Just want to kill the tenno

[tall echo]

Imagine if all the frames stalker has killed belonged to the same tenno

[graceful swan]

I just call them new players

[spice spade]

Personal beef with the stalker 😭😭

[unkempt swan]

Go get a drink a that point

[tall echo]

Well those are the one thing he can kill

[graceful swan]

I still find it funny how acolytes and Stalker can get to 1999 and it still has the 1999 effect thing

[tall echo]

Huh

[unkempt swan]

Haven't play 1999

[tall echo]

I haven't been attacked by stalky boy in 1999 yet

I want to make him fight the stalker specter

[proper barn]

Wait what?

[unkempt swan]

Yet

[proper barn]

okay

[graceful swan]

Neither have I but that’s because I was using Jade so he just said Never and left

[unkempt swan]

I'm farming ressource cause of a bonus
And I heard 1999 doesn't give ressource

[graceful swan]

Jade is such a Stalker repellant

[tall echo]

I'm gonna spoil it! You go back to 1999 :)

[proper barn]

what resource?

[unkempt swan]

Noooooo

Orokin cell

As always

[proper barn]

oh yeah that's only in normal warframe. also i have never had to farm a orokin cell.

[tall echo]

Fight lephantis a few times

[unkempt swan]

Lephantis you say ?
I'll try

[proper barn]

yeah does Alad V drop them?

[graceful swan]

I’ve only got like 194 Orokin cells

[proper barn]

or is that just like Nueral senor

[tall echo]

I have enough cells

[unkempt swan]

I have 3 😢

Need them for garuda prime

[proper barn]

gotcha

[tall echo]

Either lephantis or, for some reason, ceres missions

I get a lot of cells from ceres

[unkempt swan]

Alright noted

But how does lotus end up in the orbiter after droped in the void ?

[tall echo]

Drifter has her hand

[restive river]

Lotus regrows into an eidolon from her hand sometime after the Drifter brings her out of Duviri

[woven coyote]

granted that the effects in that quest often bug out but what you are supposed to see in that scene is a mostly transparent projection of the lotus with the duviri hand being the most "physically there" portion

took me a while of talking to other people to realise lotus is supposed to put a shield around you when wally showed up

[silver solar]

how are you guys

[restive river]

Lore

[silver solar]

I need a little help

[restive river]

With lore?

[silver solar]

I want to frame a full gun

[restive river]

Wym

[silver solar]

??

[proper barn]

what do

[restive river]

What do you mean

[proper barn]

you mean?

[silver solar]

I want help

[proper barn]

with?

[silver solar]

I want to get a weapon

[proper barn]

oh farm a gun. what gun?

[silver solar]

sword

[unkempt swan]

Which one ?

[silver solar]

strova

I want some friends with me

[graceful swan]

#squad-recruitment

This is Lore discussion

[silver solar]

Thanks

[brittle siren]

Apparently when you max chemistry any HEX, they won't text you anymore

[unkempt swan]

I don't get it

What's HEX ?

[graceful swan]

You aren’t there yet

[graceful swan]

I’m max with Lettie and she still has a message for me rn

[brittle siren]

Did you best friend with her?

[graceful swan]

Yes

[proper barn]

that's not true

[brittle siren]

Someone in #warframe-1999 said that

[sharp acorn]

The hex are a syndicate unlocked after completing the 1999 quest. Similar to the ostrons on cetus, vox Solaris in fortuna and the Entrati Family on Deimos

[proper barn]

well they are wrong. if you are at a certain level and you aren't ranked up they will have only a limited number of chats cuz there are only so many chats to HAVE.

[brittle siren]

No, that guy mean "best friend/dating" rank

[proper barn]

I mean yeah i am at that

[brittle siren]

And it doesn't said locked

They just offline

[proper barn]

i think they are just incorrect

also it just reset.

[proper barn]

it's either a glitch or they are lying.

[graceful swan]

Lettie is literally best friend rank with me and I have a chat today with her after reset too

[proper barn]

oh I JUST unlocked a thing

[brittle siren]

@keen latch

[unkempt swan]

Thanks

[keen latch]

Hmm?

I'm not lying, I've got best friends with everyone in the hex minus Ele and I don't get daily convos with them anymore. This has been 2 days in a row.

The only further message I got was the birthday message for Amir. But that didn't unstuck the no-message daily after that.

[uneven vine]

they have really screwed up waypoints…

[keen latch]

My screenshot is real, I have no reason to lie and I've mentioned this for multiple days now.

[graceful swan]

Send a support ticket because DE wouldn’t give you 140k words to lock you out forever at max rank

[uneven vine]

I believe they said reset is once a month?

[graceful swan]

They would literally just make it no longer give Chemistry

[graceful swan]

Weekly

[sharp acorn]

Even if they did keep sending texts it would just be repeats of what they've already sent

[tall echo]

Seasons change weekly, reset is every game new years iirc

[graceful swan]

12th Jan then

[sharp acorn]

Which would mean every four weeks

[keen latch]

So can someone confirm that they still get messages despite being best friends? I have BF status with all hex aside from Eleanor.

BF being best friends

[graceful swan]

I have a message from Lettie and she’s at BF rank

Send a support ticket

[keen latch]

Sure thing, thanks.

[toxic thorn]

from what I have saw from the quests
are we using the literal power of love against the indifference

[sharp acorn]

Ever heard the saying "the opposite of love isn't hate, it's indifference."?

[toxic thorn]

no

this IS my literal reaction
I'm not even exaggerating

[limber pulsar]

we already have been since whispers in the walls

[toxic thorn]

i love this game

only game I know where we use love against big bad evil

[keen latch]

I mean, I kinda get where they're going from. They're dealing with the metaphysical concept of void, emptiness, and they're trying to fight that by filling the void in their hearts/minds.

Fighting against isolation and the pain of alienation.

Indifference can be a synonym for apathy.

[sharp acorn]

Of which we know personally due to being alienated from a young age after being infused with the power of the void

[keen latch]

Socialization as therapy for the psyche.

[marble briar]

Why is Drifter called Tenno name in Warframe 1999 and Whispers in the Walls?

[keen latch]

Because the drifter, while not rescued from the Zariman, is still a Tenno because the name is derived from the victims of the Zariman Ten-Zero. Or Ten-O.

[humble sierra]

Yeah Tenno is more of a faction now too

[silk atlas]

"now"

[proper barn]

Cuz they are the tenno.

[marble briar]

All this time I thought that Tenno was named only for those rescued from the Zariman, and Drifter was “rescued” by Wally so he doesn't have that name.
But apparently I was wrong all along.

[peak ether]

Yeah, Tenno is just because of the ship

[keen latch]

On top of that, the drifter has the powers associated with the rest of the Tenno anyways so there wouldn't be a functional difference from most of the people in the know.

One was a child soldier and the other was in an execution loop for unnumbered centuries.

[humble sierra]

I meant more so “now” as in “after Awakening”, where any ally of the player, like the Lotus, Ordis, Teshin, is considered part of the Tenno faction

[proper barn]

The Drifter was never rescued.

They just made duviri.

[proper barn]

The operator was the one that was rescued.

[restive river]

Tenno is just a name for the children from the Zariman, which includes Drifter

[keen latch]

Exactly

[spice spade]

On the 1999 website there's a phone that hasn't been hung up

Is this a new part of the ARG or something

Or something that's after

[old dome]

it sounds like a new arg

[lean garden]

where?

[spice spade]

If you go to the website they now have a link to the Doktor Entrati ARG, next to it is an open phone

[lean garden]

screenshot

[spice spade]

https://www.warframe.com/1999

It’s on the bottom of the website, this is a screenshot from my phone so it’s not there

[lean garden]

I see it, its not part of the arg, thats over

[spice spade]

Mmm

[restive river]

The phone is to do the hang up portion as that was disabled in the mall

[cunning tapir]

When I think about using the power of love against Wally, I just keep thinking of the indifference popping in only to see the drifter and thier SO holding hands and being lovey dovey and the indifference being like "Hand holding!? eeeeeww. gross. welp Im out."

[keen latch]

Honestly I think the indifference is just trying to understand reality and is just reflecting all of what has been thrown at it. We are effectively combating it by filling in the gaps in our minds and souls with the bonds people forge with each other instead of letting it hollow us out and hijack us.

The indifference being embodied trauma and fear of the unknown is best fought with therapy it turns out.

[barren jasper]

wait what emotion do u think this image conveys

[chrome rivet]

Would it makes sense if the Tenno themselves are trained in martial arts and using guns in case they somehow got separated from their Warframes?

When vaporising someone with a void laser is not an option

[glacial bough]

Not really

There's almost no situation where we wouldn't be able to use our powers

On an individual level, post War Within, you could let it slide

[chrome rivet]

Remind me why?

It's been a while since I did that quest

[worn trout]

Is rell the “vessel” wally uses to travel to this dimension?

[lean garden]

No, wally was already present

[humble sierra]

Rell was trying to contain him. I think.

[graceful swan]

Rell was containing him

It didn’t last though

[steel compass]

Can anyone explain to me why we keep reseting 1999 every new year?

What are we missing?

[lean garden]

There is a timeloop, we cant break it, we can make it better for each loop tho

[steel compass]

Are we the ones making the timeloop or is it entrati?
If so, why?

[graceful swan]

Entrati

[steel compass]

Kalymos sequence is complete, so why keep looping 1999?

Buying time for something?
A cure for the hex?

[lean garden]

time loops just loop

[old dome]

idt albrecht is that kind to the hex.

orokin through & through.

[steel compass]

To be honest i think he is trying hard to make the sacrifices count in the early game of something

Maybe in the end he might find something to help those he wronged

Since the family and loid have high regards towards him

[late oak]

Why does kalymos turn into fine mist

Why cant I pet the car in the backroom

[old dome]

theyre very biased tbh,, considering its his own family—his daughter, his granddaughter & grandson, & his in-laws.

& his lover.

given the fact that he experimented on random ahh ppl & made dealing the nuke THEIR problem (& the drifter later on) entirely bc of his own mistake... yeah anyway albrecht entrati isnt kind to the hex.

he was so ready & willing to bomb a whole city just so he could escape.

orokin, through & through.

[lean garden]

And yet, it would appear that it was engineered to prime the drifter to utilise powers that worked against Wally

so he might be a demon, but he sure is commited to the fight

[old dome]

tbf the power is just empathy & love for others... smth the drifter already had, inherently.

unless youre talking abt the protoframes...

[lean garden]

Albrechts own meddling gave us the time to know the protoframes to get the good ending

he might be a bastard, but he's better than most orokin

[digital willow]

can someone explain the 1999 storyline

[lean garden]

what parts do you need help with

[digital willow]

how did tenno end up there, what was his main objective

[slow phoenix]

they never explained HOW we got there, but we went there to do something about albrecht

i think we wanted to bring him back to the sanctum

[lean garden]

We did a lil transference hopscotch using a proxy warframe that a helminth in 1999 produced, this is likely thanks to Loid's machinations on how to get us into the past

[cloud venture]

is there a way to replay the duvri main quest it seems kind important and i played it before the new war when i didnt know what was going on and now im kind screwed

[lean garden]

why screwed?

[steel compass]

Fair enough...
Just because he isn't a Ballas doesn't mean he isn't a orokin as well

[cloud venture]

seems like an important lore dump and now i cant really replay it with the added context that the new war gives

[lean garden]

important in what way?

[cloud venture]

explains the drifters backstory and why things are they way they are in the new war and also 1999

[lean garden]

To be very honest, if youre concerned you missed something because the KIM texts said something, the KIM texts more than adequately covered it

The actual events of the quest itself actually have very little bearing on the KIM texts, and only explains why Drifter is in TNW

(which is that he escaped)

[sharp goblet]

Is Indifference and the Man In The Wall the same being?

[hasty hazel]

Were all warframe good? Ir were there warframe “villains”

[graceful swan]

The Tenno has been made aware of Rell, a fellow Tenno who was outcast by his peers.

Rell had voluntarily assumed the duty of keeping the Origin System safe from a Void-based entity referred to as 'The Man In The Wall'.

With Rell's death, that responsibility has now transferred to the Tenno.

xx CRITICAL DEVELOPMENT xx

'The Man In The Wall' is identical with the entity known to us as 'The Indifference'.

Albrecht Entrati is ultimately responsible for attracting its attention to the Origin System.

Albrecht Entrati may be ultimately responsible for its existence.

Parameter confirmed. The Tenno is the Chosen Operator. We await the correct moment to activate the Kalymos Sequence.

Continuing to monitor.

[graceful swan]

There’s no heroes or villains in Warframe

[feral cape]

We are heros

[median shell]

the PC in sanctum says that the drifters built duviri, so why was our drifter (who we play as) being executed over and over
also how can you build something in the void anyway

[lean garden]

1. If you access the dating sim in 1999, Drifter will tell you very clearly why: Thrax did not like it that Drifter wanted to leave duviri
2. Conceptual Embodiment: Void + strong human emotion = thing

[tall echo]

The paradox quest explains it

[median shell]

strange how i just got to this conversation with quincy lol

also at the end of hex finale quest, drifter slams their hand and resets the cycle, what makes them able to do that? i thought that only happens in duviri/in the void

[lean garden]

well they are in a time loop

[cunning tapir]

Yeah, and hopefully the loop will only need to continue until the indifference is finally killed.

[feral cape]

Albrecht did some oooooOOOoOOoo and now theres a timeloop with drifter as the center

[cunning tapir]

Yep. And now you.
gotta rizz them all
gotta rizz them all
Warframe!
(Not really, just be friends with them and get to the "Liked" chemistry rank but I really couldn't resist doing the pokemon theme there)

[normal mountain]

I think the closest we get to a villain warframe is Kullervo

But that could just be because he messed up very badly at points in his life and also went against the Orokin

[cunning tapir]

Not really, we had the Stalker, but really he's more "Dad" at this point than villain.

and Kullervo's crimes feel like they were only really "Crimes" from the Orokin's perspective. So, not sure he really counts as a villain.

[wide ravine]

I mean yeah, attempted regicide isn’t even that bad

[woven coyote]

Need a new version of the warframe ninjas play free song with those lyrics

[graceful swan]

Ninjas Rizz Free

[hasty hazel]

Excuse me if this sounds stupid. I didn’t do the quest yet but when we are playing as the Gemini Skins. Are we controlling a half infested human with sentience? Or who or how are they talking to the “drifter” when the’re romanced when switching skins

[wide ravine]

That is basically what’s happening, though the lore side of the skins shouldn’t be taken too seriously on account of they’re there for flavor and money more than anything

[cunning tapir]

When you say "Who" do you mean who is the drifter?

[woven coyote]

Not necessarily control in their case

You will see during the quest

[rotund egret]

Just do the quests

[graceful swan]

Why don’t you do the quest?

[shrewd moat]

I just finished up main quest and after The New War I become completely lost so any suggestion videos on YT for clarification?

[slow phoenix]

If you've completed all the quests just look up warframe lore videos

[graceful swan]

Just ask questions here it’s way more trustworthy, but there’s this to read about it https://www.orokinarchives.com/

[tall echo]

Do not

[proper barn]

what is your question?

or do you have a specific question.

[shrewd moat]

I’m confused did the Lotus willingly join Narmar or did she get taken

[proper barn]

Both? both.

Okay so Ballas is the most gaslighty person ever.

And then later she wants to get away and can't.

so originally she kinda leaves on her own and then like she is controlled by ballas and Erra.

[shrewd moat]

Ballas and Narmar are the same person right?

[proper barn]

narmer isn't a person

it's a faction.

Ballas Leads narmer.

[shrewd moat]

That makes more sence now

[proper barn]

well Ballas and Erra.

[shrewd moat]

I honestly didn’t understand a single thing in The Wispers in the Wall quest

[proper barn]

@shrewd moat Waking up Loid aka Albretchs Gay butler lover so he can help us the destined Operator fight wally.

what is confusing about that?

[shrewd moat]

O

[proper barn]

also the starting cinematic of that quest is Albretch travling to 1999 and Loid Breaking the time machine.

[shrewd moat]

So… about the wierd smile and creepy grin that Master Entrati gives us is that still unknown or waiting to be answered

[proper barn]

Smile

play 1999

[shrewd moat]

I have

[proper barn]

have you played the finale?

and listned to what wally said even then it's just specualtion.

[shrewd moat]

Is it a quest?

[graceful swan]

Yes

[shrewd moat]

I’ll finish up my side quest and Warframe quest and then maybe I’ll understand everything better

[proper barn]

you get the finale by getting liked with all the hex

basiclly just rank 3.

[spice spade]

who is the man that hates ivara

[proper barn]

What?

[spice spade]

oh- nvm

[proper barn]

Explain?

[spice spade]

a man hates ivara because she’s like a boss hunter

[proper barn]

No?

That's not what the story is.

[spice spade]

will u tell me the correct story

[proper barn]

Are you talking about

The I forget it's name

[spice spade]

tyl regor i think his name is

he hates ivara bc she snuck and robbed him

[proper barn]

Levairan. Wait Tyl Regor talks about Ivara.

When?

[spice spade]

i’m making it up probs

i just want to know who hates her for an edit-

[spice spade]

come back i’m sorry

[proper barn]

Levirain

It's like a lore story for different frames.

Including Ivara.

[spice spade]

i went in there and it’s just describing the weapon she uses in what situation

[tall echo]

Go through the whole story

[spice spade]

kk

[graceful swan]

Imagine reading half a story and expecting all the answers

[woven coyote]

Warframe players: "imagine reading!"

[proper barn]

I don't think that's fair.

but it is funny.

[old dome]

its not the players' fault that the lore is scattered all over the place tbh... & sometimes told in such a weird or vague way (stares at ballas)

idk abt funny...

[proper barn]

It's not that scattered.

we are going too far the other way Dew.

[old dome]

...also ngl i didnt even know ivara had lore. i always thought shes one of the lore-less frames.

[proper barn]

ight

[restive river]

Its made to be discovered and thought about tbh

Thats my interpretation largely

[old dome]

(blinks in jade promise being someplace else that, if nobody told the player where it is they wouldnt find it immediately.)

[restive river]

Thankfully with 1999 we have some more direct lore and many lore confirmations

[old dome]

which. im still ??????? on why such an important lore piece wasnt even in the quest itself...

[proper barn]

it was added later also the story was pretty clear in that though.

shRug.

it just added a bit more lore.

[restive river]

Yeah it was pretty clear

[proper barn]

basiclly just confirmed and clarifed some stuff.

[restive river]

Jade’s Motes are just additional and were added later

I do agree they’re in an odd spot, by Ordis in the camp would’ve been better tbh

[proper barn]

also yeah a lot of the lore is meant to be found and discovered.

[old dome]

it was p clear but im talking abt scattered, not clear... why was it added later?? time constrictions??

[restive river]

But Jade Shadows was pretty good as is
The additional lore is just nice

[proper barn]

even in 1999 a lot of the lore is through NPC talking.

[restive river]

Yeah, they have to get updates out by certain times

Thats why we get echoes for many updates

[old dome]

npcs you HAVE to interact with to progress through the story... which i love

[proper barn]

ight.

you don't have to do it more than that

so you could miss a lot if you just get to liked. but you know.

[old dome]

yup,, & tbh the npcs are p likeable so why not get to know them more? thats when their indiviual stories get told. i love that system.

[restive river]

The last 3 syndicates have been the best tbh

Holdfasts, Cavia and the Hex have been fantastic

Their associated content too ofc

[old dome]

im still confused on the holdfasts tbh...

i get the whole "too much exposure to the void will turn you into an eldritch horror" part but everything else abt them is. ????? to me.

[restive river]

They’re the conceptually embodied memories of the crew, void ghosts, simple as

[restive river]

They arent even that

The crew died

And came back later through conceptual embodiment

Void ghosts

[old dome]

& ppl turning into "angels"??

[restive river]

Not everyone went mad either

[restive river]

That’s Wally’s influence

[proper barn]

also maybe they all didn't go mad cuz they didn't have kids? is something said by the drifter in the new chats.

[old dome]

...everyone in that ship had a kid, no?

[proper barn]

none of the holdfasts.

[restive river]

No

It does seem all the parents went mad but I’m not sure if thats confitmed

[proper barn]

It's just s thing the drifter says. idk if that means it's confirmed or not.

they also say maybe so SHRUG.

[old dome]

i mean,, rell's comic confirms it no?

[proper barn]

confirms what?

[old dome]

that all or most of the parents & adults went mad? & one of the operator's lines in the ww too...

[restive river]

From what we’ve observed it does seem any parents went mad

Ours, Rell’s, one of the kids in our class

And we know the Holdfasts, who didnt have kids, did not go mad

Drifter suggests Wally did it as an experiment

[lean garden]

thats what some of the KIM texts suggest

ah yeap you got the text already

[restive river]

Yee

Suggested doesnt always mean outright confirmed but its more than nothing so we’ll take it

[old dome]

wow... it really loves traumatizing ppl huh...

[restive river]

There’s many reasons why we hate it

[woven coyote]

Another reference would be some of the zariman audio logs recovered in the zariman arg

I think the mother went mad first and i cant remember if the dad went mad or just died

[restive river]

So from an observational point of view it def looks like Wally pulled a funny for his silly little experiment

[lean garden]

Wally apologists crying rn

"He's just an eldritch entity, he doesnt know the effect he has on people"
Yea mf if thats the case the bugger is finding out on purpose

[restive river]

REAL

like I love Wally as an antagonists
He is not a good guy and not just some misunderstood thing

Maybe deep down to some extent, sure
But he has done horrible things PURPOSEFULLY

[lean garden]

Like it always boils down to the proportionate response thing

even if you want to paint him as another orokin victim, that mf making more victims

[old dome]

it has apologists???

it? he?? idk anymore

[lean garden]

so many

[old dome]

im guessing ballass has apologists too then?

wild.

[stiff fable]

absolutely

[lean garden]

yes, but way lesser, usually contration douches

Ballas is a well written villain in that you find yourself really willing to hate his ahh

[stiff fable]

There's no villain that doesn't have someone who irony poisoned themself into thinking they were right

[restive river]

He isnt even an Orokin victim, its not like the finger incident was purposeful lol

The using his finger for FTL travel was but its not like Albrecht was gonna have empathy for the thing he made that scared him so deeply

[lean garden]

The wally line in the finale gave fuel to the apologists, where they were like "oh no the orokin tortured this poor thing for space travel! Wally is a good guy!"

Like damn bruh even the Star Whale from Doctor Who does a better job at "accidentally tortured good guy"

[restive river]

They didnt even torture them what lol

[lean garden]

they extrapolated heavily from "butchered"

[restive river]

Like the finger got cut off by accident and used with purpose
We have no evidence said use even harmed Wally, the vibe I got was he was more butthurt his power was being used without his permission

[old dome]

wally is such a good guy that hes even stalking a child through space & time for smth beyond their control,, such goodness

[restive river]

He’s such a good guy that he pushed us into an awful situation so we’d make a mutual deal and is getting butthurt when we don’t pay up when we don’t even know what we have to pay lol

[old dome]

he is such a good guy that he told a child it was good thing they killed (or experienced killing) an innocent man!

[restive river]

He’s so scrunkly and wholesome

[old dome]

your honor hes just a silly little guy

[feral cape]

People will see lord death of murder mountain and try and spin him to be not that bad

[limber pulsar]

its less that his actions arent actually bad, and more that hes just a mirror for emotions and is only the way he is because of albrecht. theres a reason why the only way to beat him is by reaching out with love instead

[feral cape]

People have tried to argue like the witness from destiny isn't evil and the traveler (giver of life and objectively good in every way) is the evil one

Or that the hawks in mha is wrong for killing

[lean garden]

Even then, he's not taking up any positive emotion well, and doesnt seem to be favourable to change anything about that

[feral cape]

It reminds me of the "Steven were gonna have to kill this guy" comic

[tall echo]

He's not an absolute mirror

[restive river]

Mirror or not it also doesn’t excuse his explicitly malicious actions

[old dome]

idt we know for sure hes the way he is bc of albrecht's mistake...

[restive river]

Like pushing children into a terrible situation to make a mutual deal with them is not good

And then he just abandons one of our possibilities for what??
Silly?

[old dome]

& stalking them for the laugh of it all without even telling them what theyve to pay up...

[lean garden]

Like we can blame albrecht for wally turning out the way he did, caustic mind and all, but damn at least albrecht was willing to do something about that. Come on wally, how you aint copy the capacity to grow and change for the better

[restive river]

We know he’s of Albrecht’s creation in some way, Albrecht stepping into the void absolutely started this

[feral cape]

Hell even being written as a sympathetic villain doesn't make you less evil

Like Dracula in castlevania doesn't become less evil for committing genocide because the church killed his wife

[lean garden]

but he a real one for that tho

Told them what would happen, followed through on his word

[proper barn]

Okay that's not a good thing to talk about.

[old dome]

...ngl wally being as he is & the theme of love and empathy being the center of this arc makes me a little afraid of how we're gonna defeat him in the end—please, DE please dont pull a genshin impact & make us befriend the being thats been harming us all along...

[proper barn]

cuz Castlevania Dracula is one of the most like sympathetic character

to exist.

[feral cape]

He is

He is still very evil

[lean garden]

But he still do naughty things, no present from santa

[proper barn]

I mean but I feel like when we talk about warframe villains

most of them are on the more cartoonisly evil side of things.

[old dome]

true,,

[feral cape]

I love me a sympathetic villain I love castlevania (I'm literally hector) but having a sad past doesn't excuse genocide

[stiff fable]

uh.

Have you ever heard of "Castlevania Lament of Innocence"

[lean garden]

Good villains do one of two things:

1. Are written so well you struggle not to hate them
   or
2. Are written so well you struggle not to like them, even as they do the most heinous acts

[old dome]

theyre all evil but in varying degrees of it.

[stiff fable]

Dracula's only sympathetic if you don't know how he got to where he is

[proper barn]

No i am also thinking of only the series. i'm not done with it yet. I can understand how both forgemasters are also sympathetic.

Or even what's his face

[old dome]

is the 2nd one ballas?

[proper barn]

Camilia.

[lean garden]

wuh? no ballas is the 1st one

[feral cape]

Wally regardless of what the orokin did to him is taking it out on People unrelated to the cause

[lean garden]

I find no lack of reasons to want to shank his ahh

[proper barn]

yeah Ballas is the first 1

He isn't at all redemable.

[feral cape]

The orokin are dead if he went back to being himself and just left forever he'd be left alone

[proper barn]

the more we learn about him even after we have killed him

we see more like "oh we found 20 more crimes ballas did"

[lean garden]

Tbvf the orokin he has the most beef with is very alive

[feral cape]

Maybe try and like have a conversation over tea

[lean garden]

Cant excuse going after everyone else, but homeboy aint done yet

[proper barn]

orokin?

wait who are we talking about

[feral cape]

And not crash a passenger vessel drive the adults mad and force the children to kill there parents

[old dome]

ok but leave the child alone... they aint even an orokin...

[lean garden]

One Alberto Enchilada

[proper barn]

oh wally and albretch

but yeah Ballas is like Louie from Pikmin he's just the worst ever but that makes him Intresting.

[feral cape]

Wally and albretch are pretty sympathetic but that doesn't excuse the evil both have done wally is just mean albretch is being a necessary evil because wally is mean

If wally wasn't mean I imagine albretch would just be mean

[proper barn]

https://tenor.com/view/louie-pikmin-pikmin-fan-64-pikmin-2-mr-pikmin-gif-10155122978152406102

[old dome]

actually back to villain apologism,, i wonder what do ballass apologists say abt his actions...

bc i get the feeling its uhhh just. misogyny towards margulis/natah...

[feral cape]

I saw someone say he's hot

[proper barn]

I don't think Wally is sympathetic at all. He is a absence a opposing force manifested by fear and indifference and wants to infect everyone with it

I Mean BALLAS IS HOT MEDIOCRE

i swear y'all are lying to yourselfs if you say Ballas isn't hot.

[old dome]

...listen i get that some of the frames are hot & the devs joke abt this stuff but cmon. cmon now.

[old dome]

HE AINT!!! he looks like he hasnt showered in millenniums

[proper barn]

It's like Saying Mystique or Gaston isn't hot.

You're lying to yourself.

[lean garden]

Hot yes, but its the same kind of hot I see in like Love Island, where I see alot of pretty on the surface and not enough pretty under

[old dome]

nah i just have eyes & can see how mid this man is

umbra was hotter & he had half of his face covered

[proper barn]

you're right Bau but like a Super villain that is only ever gonna villain can still be very attractive.

[feral cape]

Not my type

[proper barn]

i'm sorry.

Also he can not be your type and still be hot.

[feral cape]

I dont find him hot

Ive noticed an odd pattern in the men and women i find hot in video games

Odd pattern is stretching it but it's happened twice

[proper barn]

yes?

I swear i see people say this and then also say they like Ruslka or Victor when they are just as evil.

Anyway. Ballas is hot and charastamatic that's the point. he becomes more like his ulgy insides as the game goes on becoming more manic and even becoming a chimera.

[feral cape]

I find Eleanor and Arthur to be the hottest in warframe and I find crow and mara sov to be the hottest in destiny the 1 thing in common is there both siblings

[proper barn]

lmao

[feral cape]

Scrap don't you judge me

[proper barn]

Okay I know you are joking but i wanna be clear you can find a character even a evil character hot or attractive or whatever not actually want to date anyone like that or even like anything similar IRL.

[feral cape]

In shows I haven't had this issue funny enough

[tall echo]

I personally really like ballas' voice, but I think his face is rather punchable. Maybe that's just bias against his personality speaking

[feral cape]

I think grimjow is the hottest man in bleach and I couldn't pick the hottest women in bleach there's just to many

[proper barn]

yeah Like i said before he is meant to be a hot charismatic jerk that's look and attitude degrade over time to reflect how ugly he is on the inside.

[feral cape]

Who's the hottest good guy in yalls opinion

[tall echo]

._.

[proper barn]

WELL i mean it's not really interesting to me.

[tall echo]

Difficult choice

[proper barn]

men and women? also in warframe or just in general?

[feral cape]

Both wardrobe and in general

I'm not correcting myself

[tall echo]

Almost as funny as doorframe

[proper barn]

that doesn't answer my first question but i'll go like men and women and it's a hard choice.

[tall echo]

Uhhhhhh... loid... or kermerros.

[proper barn]

Lettie cuz obvs i would say that.

oh Daugther also up there.

for warframe*

[tall echo]

I can't like kaelli just because she likes cutting open fish a little too much

[proper barn]

in general hmmmmmmmmmm I am gonna stick to games.

[tall echo]

It scares me

[glacial bough]

I mean, that's still the Lotus, easy

[proper barn]

does Gladous from Portal 2 count? probably not she is a villain for half that game.

[tall echo]

Glados is evil

[feral cape]

In warframe I'm picking teshin in general I'm picking kiskue urahara

For men that is

[tall echo]

In general I'll have to go for geralt

[glacial bough]

There are too many options for an in general

[tall echo]

For you maybe

[feral cape]

I know he's hot under there

[tall echo]

I know very well what I like

[proper barn]

Hena the fishing girl from twilight Princess.

[feral cape]

For women In warframe it's Eleanor in general honesty any womem from bleach

[old dome]

rusalka & viktor genuinely wanna help hollvania though, no? theyre just going abt it in the extreme way a la paramilitary forces??

[glacial bough]

[proper barn]

wait there are few good Zelda ones.

[tall echo]

They're also killing people living in höllvania to make space for scaldra loyalists to move in

[proper barn]

DMC5 the like mechanic woman.

the FF15 mechanic woman.

Is there another mechanci woman

[tall echo]

Rusalka is above viktor in the rank order iirc, so she's just as evil

[proper barn]

OH Ellie from Borderlands 2.

[lean garden]

"genuinely" their idea of helping hollvania is trash

[lean garden]

Disregard for civilian populace, overt regard for a more fervent religious practise in life

[tall echo]

Warframe: aoi
General: too many options

[proper barn]

I like going with Ellie from BL2.

that's my lock anyway back to LORE

[lean garden]

SAME

[old dome]

ah... yikes.

[odd yacht]

There’s a mission dialogue when you have Aoi as the mission commander where she says “there’s hardly any tech rot here”

[old dome]

tbh i wouldve paid attention to the dialogue if it wasnt for the fact that if i stood still for 2s im dead bc scaldra's jumping me

[odd yacht]

And she goes on about how it’s a civilian wipe more than a tech rot wipe

Then she says that Viktor is using us as a scapegoat or something iirc

[tall echo]

Get better builds💀

[old dome]

im trying 😭😭

actually my builds are decent its just that if i stood still for just 2s suddenly every scaldra & their platoons are on me...

[tall echo]

Nah that's a build issue, I'm just using cyte+azothane and I barely have to pay attention

Don't even use evade unless I get below 100 health

[old dome]

umbra.

[tall echo]

Sargas ruk

[humble sierra]

Grineer Lancer #3104850 after I hit them with an Ember 4

[tall echo]

Mutalist salad or lech kril when solo farming

[old dome]

ive no problems killing them though... nataruk goes brrr—

ive a habit of standing still to hear dialogues during missions bc ive an auditory processing problem—if theres too many sounds going on all at once i wont be able to hear a word,, it all meshes together like a weird sound salad to me.

[tall echo]

Well same that's why I read the dialogue instead of hearing it

[old dome]

...can i change the subtitles' colors actually?? i dont like how its white. blends into some backgrounds like lua.

[tall echo]

I can process a lot of visual info all at once thanks to the games I play all the time

[tall echo]

No

[old dome]

this is my first visuals-heavy game so

[old dome]

i cant believe none of yall said kahl...

[tall echo]

I play monster hunter, fire emblem, countless roguelikes, recently witcher 3...

[tall echo]

He looks like a sentient potato even more than vor

[old dome]

LEAVE HIM ALONE hes hot to me!!! its entirely his personality tbh

[sage moat]

CRESSA TAL AROOOOOGA

[old dome]

wh??

[restive river]

Personality > appearance

[sage moat]

Anyway why is the perrin sequence allied with new loka. Environmentalists have historically not gotten along well with capitalists

[tall echo]

I mean yes but I still don't feel very attracted to a potato that's barely capable of speech

[restive river]

Idk but I hate both

New Loka is racist towards all Grineer and Perrin are capitalists

[restive river]

I mean fair, to each their own

[sage moat]

Ohhh it's the hatred of the grineer that makes them buddies

[tall echo]

Why is red veil allied to steel meridian? Or hexis to suda?

[restive river]

Like Kahl isn’t attractive to me either lol

[tall echo]

The alliances barely make sense

[restive river]

Oh probably tbh

[sage moat]

Protection of the innocent
Pursuit of self betterment

[restive river]

Hexis to Suda maybe because ties to old ways and Suda is based?

Suda and SM are the goats

[tall echo]

Meridian and veil goals completely contradict each other

[glacial bough]

Because Perrin are the oxymoronic moral capitalism

They'd be just as for the nature restoration Loka is about

[restive river]

Yeah I have zero clue why they’re friends

[sage moat]

I think it's a temporary thing

[glacial bough]

I mean, yes and no. They're allies because they're both staunchly against the mega-fascist empire

[tall echo]

Red veil is against everything

[sage moat]

Red Veil is so weird like what was rell saying that made these guys think genocide was good

[glacial bough]

Red Veil are very against the major authority powers, yes

[sage moat]

Rell: "Hey guys we should really stop The Man In The Wall :("
Veil: "Let's kill everything"

[tall echo]

The original veil was just about protecting rell, they got kinda lost at some point after he bound himself to harrow I'm guessing

[sage moat]

They lost the plot 😭

[tall echo]

And everyone else, yes

[restive river]

Red Veil specifically wants to burn down everything

[old dome]

nothing. they completely missed the point the minute they made the traumatized autistic child an object of worship.

[restive river]

Real

[tall echo]

Their description says "they see corruption all around them", not "they see corruption in the obvious bad guys"

[sage moat]

Their armor sucks, their syandana sucks, even their caotura scenes suck.
Cressa Tal needs better friends and I will volunteer

[tall echo]

Aside from the chestplate the armor is alright

[old dome]

im still fuming abt that actually... "oh youd have done the same if you found him" no lotus wouldnt have, shut up!!!

[sage moat]

Talking about red veil btw

[glacial bough]

I mean, that still tracks when the vast majority of what's around them are the obvious bad guys or people willing to kowtow to the obvious bad guy

[sage moat]

Still saving up standing to get their captura scenes cause I'm becoming a capturapilled fashioncel

[glacial bough]

They are, granted, still a bit too deep in the anarchist kool aid

[tall echo]

They want to purge the system.

[old dome]

not really,, when the ppl kowtowing are doing so out of need for survival rather than actually agreeing w the bad guys' philosophies...

theres layers to this & the red veil dont care abt it.

[glacial bough]

Eh, a chunk of them do

[tall echo]

Their simulacrum is funny, if you spawn 20 enemies they're all put on the platform except like 3 or 4

[glacial bough]

They just as much are angry at the good guys as much are being forced to work with the bad guys

Like that one guy from Glassmaker

[tall echo]

...what

I... I can not comprehend that sentence

[old dome]

idk,, i only know abt the fact that they made a traumatized austistic kid an object of worship rather than. actually caring about him & his mental well being.

& his emotional well being too, for that matter.

[glacial bough]

Not really anything they could have done there, Rell had committed to one way

[tall echo]

The worst part about the red veil is that their sigils are sick and actually visible with any color unlike hexis ones

[old dome]

they shouldnt have made him into a religious figure, for one!!

thats a child!!!!

[tall echo]

A very intelligent child

[sage moat]

In their defense, have you seen what that boy did

That boy was holding back an eldritch god

[old dome]

& a very traumatized one too!

[glacial bough]

A child with space magic preaching of a great evil

[old dome]

yeah but still... not an excuse or even an explanation. they lost the plot.

[tall echo]

Ok so? The initial veil protected him, that's all they did

[sage moat]

They lost the plot big type yeah.

[tall echo]

Rell chose to permanently transfer into a harrow and bind himself to the tree thing

[glacial bough]

Everything about Rell is the start of most every religion

[old dome]

my point is they shouldve been more like how the lotus is to the tenno...

[tall echo]

That's where the veil presumably started going off the rails

[old dome]

not really but ok. im not going there.

[sage moat]

And you can take pictures with that tree if they like you enough

[tall echo]

If the veil exists long enough It'll become space christianity

They're currently in the crusade stage

[old dome]

they lost the plot & i just. hate them for it...

[glacial bough]

Every is being factitious sure, but it honestly makes sense how he became a holy figure

[old dome]

it doesnt...

[sage moat]

I think rell's story is directly inspired by Christianity yeah. It would be ridiculous to look at the plot line, symbolism, and the entirety of HARROW and say otherwise.

[tall echo]

What, harrow is just a priest.
Like. Straight up. Just a priest.

[glacial bough]

A child granted magical powers preaching about a great evil they must stop is the biggest stereotype you would center a religion on

[old dome]

idk maybe bc im muslim so i dont see it as such...? all i see is a bunch of idiots who went "caring for a child? nah. how about we objectify him instead? yeah thats a good idea!"

[tall echo]

A priest with very breakable twig arms

[tall echo]

Christianity

[sage moat]

Ok there's a difference between saying it shouldnt have happened and it doesn't make sense that it happened. Yes, the red veil messed up. But people mess up and are stupid. It makes sense that scared people would crowd around a boy who was promising them safety in his own martyrdom.

[glacial bough]

TBH, at that point there was no properly caring for Rell. Like with Albrecht, he was 100 percent focused on Wally

[old dome]

...it doesnt to me but. i did say im not going there so.

moving on.

[sage moat]

That's fair, no fault in interpreting a story differently

I respect your ability to say "I don't want to debate this, let's move on"
Many people have lost that ability on the internet

How are the arbiters calling tenno "Warrior myth" when the tenno are like Currently Around And Doing Magic

[glacial bough]

It is probably more proper to use "cult" than "religion"

[tall echo]

Many religions are just fancy cults if you look close enough

[old dome]

...are the arbiters the one w the big dark room & theres a bunch of ppl sitting on high chairs like kingdom hearts' organization 13?

[old dome]

lets not. :))))

[tall echo]

The room is pretty bright but yes

[old dome]

its one thing to say "i agree to disagre" & its completely another to go "your religion is a fancy cult" right after someone admitted to being a muslim. dont be a bigot.

[tall echo]

Never said that mate

[old dome]

sure jan.gif

[limber pulsar]

if acknowledging the existence of cults has you outraged, that says more about you

[sage moat]

My only contribution will be that cult is like a super weird word that basically doesn't mean anything.

[old dome]

ANYWAY. back to arbiters.

[sage moat]

AND WHAT IS VITUS ESSENCE

[lean garden]

Essence of vitus

[tall echo]

Getting offended by your own interpretation of my message._.
The internet is fun

[sage moat]

Steel essence is "a token of teshin's esteem"

Does it ever explain "vitus essence is a token of the arbiter's esteem" or are we just meant to assume...?

[tall echo]

Proof of surviving the harsh trials that are arbitrations

[old dome]

what is steel essence anyway?? i watched a whole video abt how its problematic resource & understood nothing...

[tall echo]

Vitus, vital, survive

Essence of survival

[sage moat]

Steel essence is presumably literal Steel tokens that teshin likes

[sage moat]

Cool name origin but like what is it. Like physically. And why do the arbiters like it.

[tall echo]

Teshin secretly gives steel essence to the acolytes so we have a reason to farm them

[tall echo]

It's dropped by their drones, it's just proof that you survived arbitration

[limber pulsar]

arbitrations are meant to be like tests theyre giving you

[sage moat]

Maybe it's just a fancy little doo dad

A paper weight that the arbiters put in their drones so you can bring them back. That seems in Character

[tall echo]

or collected a bunch before dying and being left behind by your squad

I have not reached extraction alive in any arbitration I've done so far

[sage moat]

Who do you play?

[tall echo]

Now cyte

[sage moat]

Maybe play a big beefy boy like nidus, inaros, hildryn, etc

I play nidus for Arby's

[tall echo]

Before cyte, voruna. I'm just really good at getting stuck in aoe dot proc loops

[sage moat]

Very fair. I like things that don't die. Whether that's because they tank bullets like a brick wall or because they simply can't be hit (titania)

[chrome rivet]

So, are the Necramechs we see wandering around Deimos...'alive' like Necra-Loid?

Or just mindless machines?

[tall echo]

Machines

[restive river]

Machines

[frigid path]

Could we hypothetically take an orowrym back to 1999

[restive river]

Why..?

[frigid path]

Imagine viktor talking about dropping para troopers only for the plane to get blown up by an orowrym plus I think Aoi talked about dragons one time

[restive river]

lmao

we have yet to see one leave the void

[north jolt]

What even ARE the Arbiter's deal? they don't even have any quests associated with them do they?

[restive river]

In theory, maybe
In practice, probably not

[restive river]

They like the Tenno

[frigid path]

DE LET US CONTROL OROWYRMS OUTSIDE DUVIRI AND MY LIFE IS YOURS

[restive river]

Thats kinda it
Tney vibe with the old tenno ways and deny us as demigod myths

[north jolt]

I would like it if they actually had a quest or two for themselves. Feels like they're kinda being left out in that regard

[sage stratus]

Wait, i just realized that cephalon “reprogramming” does not overwrite their original personality, i figured this out due to Ordis’s “glitches”

[sage moat]

They have a whole game mode

[north jolt]

But I want ~Lore~

[glacial bough]

It does. Ordis glitches because he both old and has wiped his memory countless times to forget who he was

[sage stratus]

I keep remembering someone say that the “glitches” are ordan speaking

Or whatever his human name was

[north jolt]

Yeah Ordis is currently the main personality but his old/original personality "Ordan" comes through frequently

[glacial bough]

They are moments of Ordan slipping to the forefront, yes

They aren't supposed to happen at all

[north jolt]

Its kinda like MPD but its not REALLY multiple personalities, just the same personality fractured into different pieces or aspects

[sage stratus]

Speaking of ordis i still find the moments where ordis essentially tells parvos to shut up or commit self airlock ejection funny

[north jolt]

Also finding all of the Ordis fragments just strait up gives you his backstory, but I don't know if "Ordis" is conscious or knows about that while there being told?

[glacial bough]

No, the fragments are a recording

[sage stratus]

Last I remember it is memories

I did read some of them

Some are recordings, some are memories

[glacial bough]

The story in it's entirely is a recording

[sage stratus]

(ADHD off topic moment) i cant count the anount of times i pronounced out loud jordas as jordans

So now i have an imagine of a cephalon cube thingy wearing a shoe somehow

[north jolt]

Technically there is no hardline rule about HOW a cephalon can be shaped

They can BE the Jordan, theoretically speaking

[buoyant finch]

I forgot about Rell

[stiff fable]

so did everyone else

[runic jungle]

Wait so I just did the hex quest

||Can the drifter just “begin again” whenever they want? That’s just a power they have. That’s awesome, I thought they could only do it in duvari.||

||I guess it was never stated to be duvari exclusive, I never saw that coming. Peak quest||

[dire mountain]

We don't know the limitations yet

[runic jungle]

It’s raw

||A slam of the fist and they can loop time. It’s so cool. ||

[proper barn]

Well now you can work towards the finale

Smile.

You just get to get liked with all the hex.

[humble sierra]

1999 is some sort of loop/paradox which is why the Drifter can take advantage of it

[sly ibex]

Since Drifter now has Operator powers, I wonder if Operator also has access to that power from the Drifter.

[digital grail]

I'm not sure that's a good question

[graceful swan]

Albrecht created the loop

[digital grail]

Do we actually know that your stating it as fact

[lean garden]

Well, we know the loop existed prior to Drifter arriving, and we can guess that the loop is likely not wally's effort, therefore the only clown in the circus left to make a loop is albrecht

[hybrid marlin]

I've read something about dagath how she was used to be a sex slave but then killed by her master

How true is it

[silk atlas]

Basically what happened. Read up on in in Dagath's room or whatever it was called in the Clan Dojo

[humble sierra]

Dagath was a Dax that an Orokin couple were in a relationship with. The “sex slave” part is not explicitly stated, but lots of people come to that conclusion since many Dax were equipped with some sort of restraining mechanism that allowed Orokin to control them (like we see in War Within).

The couple gave her a horse as a gift once, with the condition that she can’t love it more than she loved them. She named the horse and clearly adored it, so the couple orchestrated the horse’s death. The Dax was riding the horse at the time and ended up getting severely injured during this.

The couple took her to an unnamed Orokin who was undoubtedly Ballas, who turned her into a Warframe with a smiling face. The couple got creeped out and bored so eventually the Warframe was set to be destroyed. A laser blew a hole through her head, wiping her face off.

This did not kill her. She found the resolve to dig through from the scraps, and then she took revenge on the Orokin couple. Later, she encountered a miserly woman, and the Warframe demanded a Naberus gift. The woman had nothing to give, but her name— Dagath.

And that old woman? The Grandmother of the Entrati family.

Dagath’s story, as Sealskin mentioned, can be told to you by Grandmother through an interactive item near the sarcophagus in Dagath’s Hollow clan dojo room.

[hybrid marlin]

Damn writers cooking as usual

What does dax mean actually aren't all humans are orokins

Before the war i mean

[silk atlas]

Everyone besides Infested, Sentient, Murmur and the clear robots are humans.

[hybrid marlin]

Even grineer?

[silk atlas]

Super inbred ones, but yes

[hybrid marlin]

They are not even breeding just copying

[graceful swan]

Grineer are clones of humans

That’s why they rot

Well they would’ve been cured but we stopped that

[ashen seal]

Hello, can anyone explain difference between Orokin's transference to another body with red kuva and ritual on Lua? From what i know both serves to one purpose to extend life of Orokin's elite

[graceful swan]

Orokin Continuity is body snatching while Transference is like comforting a mind taking away pain from the human you’re controlling while not actually being the human

[ashen seal]

Expressed myself poorly. I mean a transference with blue/red kuva which may be heard from halloween toy

Found how it was called. Whispering Naberus Mobile

[graceful swan]

The bluva thing was Continuity not transference but assuming it actually was real was just a temporary switch until you can find a proper Yuvan to permanently become

[ashen seal]

I remember from story blue kuva make temporal continuity and red make it constant but wats the difference with Lua ritual then?

[wide marsh]

will the 2nd part of the hex quest last an hour?

[silk atlas]

Just drinking Kuva doesn't mean you get the Continuity done

[graceful swan]

You still need a person

[silk atlas]

And given that the dude in Voruna's Leverian was setting up the whole hack-job ritual to do it, it's more than likely that the whole ritual is required for Continuity.

[ashen seal]

Well, its either i cant understand something or there is a hole in a story
When Orokin's trio had fun in the Ostron peoples body and their (maid?) dripped a bit of red kuva to them, they got stack in Ostron body permanently or am i wrong?

[silk atlas]

Do remember it's (the WF equivalent of) a Halloween story and there wouldn't be any real fear of being stuck in that body since you could just do Continuity again if you really messed up.

[static oar]

no

[ashen seal]

So it was just to mess up with Orokin or drinking red kuva without ritual have consequences?

[static oar]

i have a question

[silk atlas]

It's just a spooky story.
It (likely) didn't happen.

[static oar]

why is a tank giving trouble to a void touched operator who was only trained to kill?

[graceful swan]

15 mins apparently

[ashen seal]

Got it, thank u

[static oar]

the tank from the assasination in hollvania

[silk atlas]

Oh wait better yet drinking the red Kuva after already being transformed made the transformation permanent, but again, you can just do Continuity again so it doesn't really matter that much.

[graceful swan]

Skill issues?

[wide marsh]

🫡

[static oar]

i am the only one thinking that a trained killer who can posses killing machines using void powers should dog walk a tank?

[ashen seal]

There would be no game if we actually can use lore powers, like Atlas 1 punched meteor and Grendel can eat whole planet

[graceful swan]

Everyone would complain if you could

[static oar]

but then they should make belivebeale bosses

not a tank

[lean garden]

Atlas shook apart a meteor and grendel did not eat a planet

[woven coyote]

"Belieavable bosses" he said while being attacked by a propane tank with legs followed by an angry tv
While puppeteering humans turned biological weapons through space magic in a time loop of the past

[static oar]

belieavabale bosses in the lore

[ashen seal]

I thought he can eat something with size similar to planet or bigger. Or maybe i just confused it with Destiny lore

[static oar]

like something that can put the drifter in difficulty

[lean garden]

did you mistake grendel the warframe for the Leviathan???

[ashen seal]

They both eat a lot xD

[lean garden]

omnomnom

friendly reminder that just because you have void powers does not mean you are some unstoppable monster who can never be slowed down or find challenge

[woven coyote]

You mean like the imaginary soldiers of the imaginary kingdom that tortured drifter?

[static oar]

yes

[graceful swan]

If you want difficult just go Drifter only in SP

[stone onyx]

The game is a power fantasy?

[graceful swan]

People forgetting Operator saying my Warframe is strong

[proper barn]

@static oar this isn't that kind of game.