lore-discussion

[pale narwhal]

Seemed like it made his heart explode

[north jolt]

Given his caffeine addiction that makes sense to me

[cinder cliff]

I think his heart was meant to explode, but either that looked silly to a playtesters or Entrati suddenly showing up with a gun felt silly

In KIM Amir and Lettie both mention that as a real possibility, but Amir thought she was joking

[restive river]

In the original loop Amir gets shot
In the loop where we’re close he doesn’t and suffers a panic attack

[cinder cliff]

I guess I don't understand what the point of shooting him in the first loop is then

I guess just to piss off the Drifter.

[restive river]

To further stop Amir from hacking

Albrecht wanted the reactor to blow

[cinder cliff]

I understand that.

[restive river]

Though it does seem his actual plan was for us to get close enough with the Hex so we can further fight Wally

[warped stag]

because he would have died to the explosion i think

[restive river]

They all would have

[warped stag]

thats why he said "he will be dust in a few seconds no need for further misery"

no the rest died to other stuff before it except arthur

[cinder cliff]

Oh, I thought he was saying that to comfort the drifter.

"It's fine, they'll all die in seconds. Let's get you to Tau, missy!"

[pale narwhal]

But Albrecht wasn’t in the original scene

Amir was fast typing then it cut to him having a blood stain on his chest

Or am I misremembering

[restive river]

He was

He shot Amir

[pale narwhal]

Oh, I’ve already forgotten

Its barely been a week

[restive river]

In the original he shoots Amir
Though considering Wally was involved I do wonder if that was even Albrecht
I need to rewatch the scene too lol

[restive river]

Been a busy week

Even aside from stuff in game I’m sure you’ve got other stuff happening
Its understandable

[pale narwhal]

I’ve been focusing on other games so its hard to remember what went on in the quest

[restive river]

Very fair

I def need to rewatch the quest

Though I know I’ll be replaying it the moment they make it replayable

The pacing was kinda fast but that makes it easier to replay in my eyes

[pale narwhal]

👍

[knotty birch]

Did 9/11 happen in the future in the 1999 universe?

[restive river]

Considering it’s the year 1999 and not the year 2001 we don’t know

We do know that the USA isn’t called the USA
It’s the USL, presumably the United Stated of Libertatia

We know there’s a california equivalent too
A canada equivalent (Canata)
Sounds like a japan equivalent

[humble sierra]

Jipangu I think is Japan

Anyone know what the “O.R.O.” were?!?? Is this the origin of Oro and subsequently Orokin?

[knotty birch]

"The Man in The Wall has hit the second tower"

[humble sierra]

Also there’s a minor typo in this one later on. Two options to pick from:
“How did you meet the Hex?”
“How did you meet the Arthur?”

[wild swallow]

hol up O.R.O... Oro oro-kin

[fresh quarry]

alright so lettie is a medic who met arthur in the battlefield and decided to follow him
Aoi was part of a seperate army that met arthur and followed him
amir dunno
Quincy was a sniper in the army who came across arthur but then arthur ruined his chances of a normal life leading to him being stuck here which explains why quincy is not friendly with arthur and why arthur was okay with quincy leaving
Elanor was a journalist that was following?

[restive river]

omg the Arthur?

[dreamy warren]

So is it explained why 1999 is the year Entrati wanted to lure the indifference to?

[winter shard]

only thing as far as i can remember that we know is to get away from loid so the indifference couldbn't influence him as of why he chose this particular year i don't think we know yet

[limber pulsar]

because this is the year the techrot spread

[proper barn]

Not true

[proper barn]

This is your explanation

Albretch thought Wally couldn't get to 1999.

[restive river]

As I await my final crossing to the past, I ponder what role a scientist may play in so spiritual a matter as 'absolution'. How in the alchemy of the soul, even repentance must necessarily be a calculated task.

I will repair what I have broken, no more and no less. The scales must balance. And in such a monstrous penitence as this, I shall take no heed of the dust that may fall upon them on either side, the dust of petty lives.

The builders of old tempered their mortar with blood, to appease the most ancient of land-spirits. We should have been so wise. Yet it is not too late to learn.

The sands fall. The circuit completes. I return to the place of the beginning.

Let witless hordes bleat their disdain for every fervent plan;
The deal is done, the die is cast. I end as I began.

[cunning tapir]

I think initially Albrecht knew the indifference would try to follow him to 1999 with the intention of using nuclear core's explosion to kill it.

But then he realized "Huh, love is poison to it's plan......OK, Let's try it this way." and there we go.

[tall echo]

Gold kin.

[clever birch]

o.r.o.... could be something reactor operations? would be interested to learn exactly what kind of group it is, if its a corporation or a government run coalition or what

amir having a background in infosec makes sooo much sense

[quartz parrot]

Does albrecht control the loop and if so how

[stiff fable]

no, the Drifter is the one with the time loop power

[peak ether]

Wasn’t 1999 already in a loop because of the sequence in WITW?

[stiff fable]

kinda related

[peak ether]

But drifter wasn’t there to initiate that loop

[stiff fable]

The Operator/Drifter were causing a loop by trying to jump into Arthur and find Albrecht

but they could only jump into Arthur at five minutes to midnight

[peak ether]

ahhh okay

[stiff fable]

Loid was trying to set the landing point to earlier, and later the Lotus realized that the Drifter would have to go in-person

It's also possible that the Drifter caused an entire off-screen timeloop to start until Wally broke in and changed it but it's not entirely clear

[peak ether]

Ahhh gotcha, albrecht is just aware of the time loop before 1999 played out

I wonder why he knew it would work outside of duviri too

I would’ve assumed it was strictly a duviri thing considering drifter created it

[stiff fable]

Same. I kinda wonder if he's getting future knowledge from a future version of himself...

Or maybe that's what he was studying while he was in Duviri, whether the Drifter's timeloops could extend elsewhere

[peak ether]

We know he spent time in duviri so he was probably figuring it out there but I haven’t been to his lab so idk what notes he would have there

[dire mountain]

Has this been translated or

[restive river]

Untranslatable

There’s some alchemical symbols in there iirc

I think the symbol for Jupiter is in there
Though it might be one of the other alchemy equations

[glacial bough]

I never though the chats would give me this hard a choice

[digital grail]

Best freind

[bright temple]

Best friend

Only option

[fresh quarry]

it be messed up not to say best friend

[brittle siren]

Does Nihil invent "cephalon" tech?

[fresh quarry]

theory amir makes the game warframe after the loop closes which leads to it being considered a popular but not very viral game (falls into obscurity over decades)

the orokin begin to form and ballas as a regular orokin looking through ancient earth files finds out about video games and finds out about warframes

and then he learns about protoframes and from there begins to manufacture real warframes

[tall echo]

Unknown

[tall echo]

Bootstrap paradox

[native heron]

Wouldn't it been really cool if ballass kissed the drifter instead of lotus?

[graceful swan]

Ballas shouldn’t have the right to kiss anyone

[digital grail]

Ballas can't kiss anyone now happily

[tulip kettle]

Yeah, never speak again….

[cunning tapir]

Ballas shouldn't kiss anyone or anything except a break wall......at mach 20

[native heron]

Meow meow nya purrrr :3

[bright temple]

https://tenor.com/view/water-jet-in-the-face-car-wash-dumb-getcha-ya-gif-16328366

[cunning tapir]

Water hose, the ultimate spray bottle.

[chilly raven]

Is the drifter able to time travel through the operator right now or is drifter stuck in past with operator in the future?

[graceful swan]

Hard to say as after the quest it mostly becomes gameplay

[chilly raven]

Yeah cause I was using the PC to chat with the Hex and apparently drifter could still talk with operator since he's been checking on him 🤔

[glacial bough]

Drifter can come and go as they please. They're sticking around to make sure 1999 stays smooth

[north jolt]

To me it seemed like the Lotus REALLY didn't want the operator to be the one travelling to the past, so I guess it would be the latter?

[sage moat]

I think it's fun that wally's greatest opposition rn is the drifter, which (if my understanding is correct) he made.
It was his potential choice to not free the drifter that eternalism'd the reality where the drifter wasn't saved.

[worthy frigate]

Yeah, there are lines that say that Drifter is still in contact with the operator and that they still visit Duviri every now and then.

[candid elm]

Maybe it's because wally would he as close to the operator as he was the drifter?

I mean it was because DE wanted to add a relationship mechanic but like for why the lotus said so

[north jolt]

Kind of what I'm thinking but also (unless I'm misunderstanding something) Drifter got his void powers despite never actually making an explicit deal with Wally didn't he? So he doesn't have the same kind of connection that operator does

Least I think that's what Lotus Eaters implied

[candid elm]

I think so yeah

Just wish they weren't stuck with the sirico

Like guns are cool but lemme use space magic and shoot lasers from my hand

[north jolt]

At the very least limit drifter to some of the proto guns

[candid elm]

Not even protoguns just like

Smth else

It just looks boring

[graceful swan]

29. You wouldn't welch on a deal, would you?

A. CORRUPT FILE DETECTED

B. I saved them. All of them. Never said I'd save you. (correct)

[candid elm]

Maybe that's why

The drifter isn't in debt to wally?

[chilly iron]

^ @ nemesis
The Drifter absolutely took the deal but Wally screwed them over and saved everyone BUT them

[fresh quarry]

you know if drifter didnt get his void powers from wally then it makes sense why hes more of a threat because he's a void being wally cant control

[chilly iron]

The Drifter is The Paradox, their existence in the Operator's time shouldn't be, so they get to break all kinds of causal rules

[candid elm]

I mean he doesn't seem to have much power over the operator either

We just didn't give him the grimoire page in whispers, and...nothing happened

[graceful swan]

Technically he did get them from Wally as Wally gave them to Operator then somehow that teleported Drifter connecting both

[chilly iron]

Drifter got Lotus handed, which i think helped forge that connection

[north jolt]

*yet

I'm still anticipating that coming back to bite us in the butt in some major way in the future

[candid elm]

Fair

[north jolt]

Wait a minute, my almonds are activating

Actually nvm was overthinking it :d

[chilly iron]

XD a lot of the answers to "wait, exactly how did x and y happen?"
is just "yep"

[north jolt]

I was overthinking it by wondering if the hand thing was intentional but then realized "oh wait, probably not :d "

[chilly iron]

That would be some serious brain bending to orchestrate her hand getting cut off and sucked into the void just for Drifty

[north jolt]

But the Lotus is definitely aware of Wally and isn't even hiding it anymore at this point, so I wonder what they're connections are?

[chilly iron]

She's hearing the call of the void, whatever that actually is. She might be more attuned to the void because she's connected to the Tenno? We already know Lotus is insanely powerful, so if she could be brought to heel it would be a serious weapon in wall man's hands

[graceful swan]

"Do you hear it? The calls of angels, devils, life itself? It's grown so loud. It tries to follow in his footsteps through time. You must find him first."

[chilly iron]

Or maybe he would like to use Lotus like he uses/used Rusalka? Although he's already in the cracks of our time so it probably isn't necessary.

[stiff fable]

She had an undefined encounter with Wally before the game started.

Wally also used her hand for the handshake.

[restive river]

Isnt it thought she may have had an encounter either while Natah pre-ropa fight and maybe when he shows up at the end of TNW

pre-ropa not post sorry

[stiff fable]

Yeah exactly

[trim kettle]

what happened to the 1999 arg? i forgot to tune back in

last i checked we were waiting for the tv bar to fill up

with the codes

[restive river]

https://x.com/1176938443546382343/status/1870171055169356151

Orokin Archives (@OrokinArchives) on X

1999 ARG

In 2024, an alternate reality game was played out in order to promote the Warframe: 1999 update. This ARG took place over two main phases: in July, leading up to TennoCon; and in October/November, leading up to the update itself.

https://t.co/vMeC73PCjE

Twitter · Dec 20, 2024, 6:15 PM

[agile cedar]

why Eleanor has this tongue?

[tall echo]

Infestation

[restive river]

Cause the devs thought it was hot

[sterile ore]

I always assumed that the agreement with the operator basically fused all Operators into one - except for the only one in eternalism to refuse the deal.

The Lotus’s hand was from our reality so it caused a connection between us that would never of happened otherwise

And it was only when the two chose to coexist that Drifter got full void powers

Zero idea how the drifter survived as is in the void tho

[stone pier]

Man, finding out about Drifter's life through chat is so fun
Just now I found out that Drifter likes to play games with Ordis and likes to read a lot

[stone pier]

I mean
They are not wrong

[restive river]

They are not

[sterile ore]

I really wanna know the choice if you pick “wife kids the lot” for lettie asking about Entrati

[agile cedar]

as? she is 90% warframe and they are invulnerable to that

[tall echo]

Warframes are infestation

[agile cedar]

but they are not infested

[tall echo]

They are. Made of helminth.

[agile cedar]

yes, so how could she have been infected?

"the old infestation was stronger" so we should be exposed too

[tall echo]

The hex were all infected before being turned into protos

[agile cedar]

So why is she like this? and the others don't?

[tall echo]

Her transformation is further advanced than the others'

[limber pulsar]

theyre all infested, eleanors is just more unstable

[mortal ermine]

Does caliban borrow sentients from hunhow

[stone pier]

I think that he has his own little squad? Dunno

Maybe those are just projections

[lean garden]

Drifter never refused the deal tho

[feral cape]

The handshake was likely just the recursive timeloop collapsing

[onyx geode]

two shower thoughts had filled my head after completing the new war long ago.

If the sentient Praghasa was still alive, how much harder would the new war have been if she decided to intervine with the final fight between our operator and ballas?

and ontop of that: If she found a way to free the sentient hunhow from the depths of uranus, would this spark a new conflict of the sentients with the other factions? or would the war finally end now that the orokin is essentially dead?

[sterile ore]

Oh right he got clucked over didn’t he

It says so in a duviri thingy

Even though he made the deal it was all the other children and not him that got saved

[lean garden]

Who knows what would happen is space gramma was alive, but she'd still take significant damage bringing the sentients over the rail

[sterile ore]

While I totally get it if Rebb and the narrative team don’t really bother with Grandma again

I hope they do something with her - she deserved better

If the game ever gets to a point where we can go to Tau it would be fun if it turned out the rest of her was in Tau, and only a part of her made it back to Origin

[kindred galleon]

Why does the drifter gain void powers of the operator after the new war ? While I do somewhat understand only one of them being able to exist at a time, there should still not be a reason for them using the void powers - considering the separation of the drifter and the operator in the zariman. I do get that a lot of the lore is open to interpretation, but I can not justify this in my head.

[inner halo]

Basically, as far as 'Reality' is concerned, the Drifter and the Operator are the same person (which is why they can't be out at the same time) - and Reality has it saved in its notes that this person has Void Powers, doesn't matter to reality which one it is, because as far as its concerned, its the same person.

And in that vein, I wouldn't be totally surprised if the Operator could come to discover they can time loop too

[fathom elbow]

Why did the orokin make the orowyrms?

[kindred galleon]

To protect the zariman on its travels through the void

[limber pulsar]

orowyrms are just an element of the storybook. we have no idea if they ever actually existed in reality

[kindred galleon]

But then, shouldnt they have void powers during the new war too ? Since the operator was cast into the void, they effectively ceased to exist, so the drifter should take their place right ?

[stiff fable]

No, because it's a timeloop thing

[kindred galleon]

I may be missing something because it has been a while since I played the new war

[stiff fable]

The Drifter gets void powers from the Operator

[kindred galleon]

When ?

[limber pulsar]

think of it as operator and drifter not being fully connected until that fight with lotus

[stiff fable]

When Eidolon Lotus blasts the Drifter it for some arbitrary reason syncs up the Operator and Drifter

probably because Wally shook the Operator's hand with the Lotus's hand

[limber pulsar]

something something sentient void weakness causing extra sensitivity to the void or whatever

[stiff fable]

(it's actually very spooky)

maybe; there's a bunch of weirdness about eidolons in the first place

And the Lotus's whole thing

[lean garden]

Why does being cast into the void count as "effectively ceasing to exist"? The tenno for the majority of time up until the events of TSD was in the void by being in lua, would you consider this to also cease to exist?

[stiff fable]

they were presumably shielded

[kindred galleon]

Well, in reality or as they call it the world of dust - it does...? Because then the drifter could not even manifest. He cannot exist (in reality) alongside the operator

[stiff fable]

The Tenno was lobbed into the Void without any shields or protections and ended up "trapped in their own history"

[lean garden]

But is that a "cease to exist" moment?

[kindred galleon]

but the lotus explanation makes the most sense for now

[stiff fable]

For all practical purposes as far as physical reality is concerned, yeah basically

[lean garden]

But the drifter had already been manifested this whole time in duviri

[kindred galleon]

yeah but duviri is in the void

therefore not "real"

[lean garden]

The drifter just couldnt leave because they were trapped in a loop

[lean garden]

Duviri is as real as a void tower in the void

[lean garden]

And they could only then leave because of the events that also resulted in the operator being trapped

Its not some ontological hijinks here, its basically someone using the events of another being thrown into jail to escape jail

[normal mountain]

That's one half of it
But even if they weren't trapped in a loop, they still wouldn't be able to leave the Void unless the Operator entered it

[lean garden]

I mean thats the conclusion we make after they link up at the end of act 2 of tnw

But the simple fact of the matter before they link up is that because of circumstances they just werent in the same place

[kindred galleon]

let me throw a wrench into all of this - how is the drifter able to travel to 1999 (I think its to do with the finger of wally?) and why is the operator not able to do that

I know im being very broad about this but Im just confused

[lean garden]

Like very evidently "reality" did not consider them "the same person" since drifter until the end of act 2 doesnt have void powers, and only after the handshake scene is it then reasonable for this limitation to apply

[lean garden]

Wally's finger doesnt seem to have much bearing on loid shunting us through time using golem proxy hopscotch

[normal mountain]

And how did you come up with that?
Void powers or not, the Drifter and Operator are the same person from different outcomes

[lean garden]

And how did you come up with that reality can only recognise them as a single entity even without them linking up?

Even the holdfasts dont see a single entity while theyre linked up

[normal mountain]

Source for that plz, I must have missed that bit

[lean garden]

Quinn sees two void silhouettes when he looks at us

Idk if you need r5 holdfasts for him to say that line

[normal mountain]

Huh

[glacial bough]

Reality does both actually. Drifter and Operator are two bodies but also fit the same ontological niche which counts for stuff like the Narmer masks

[normal mountain]

Paradoxes are weird

[lean garden]

"We have both been gifted a second chance. I perceive two Void silhouettes within you. Do you wonder which is the real one?"

[lean garden]

Which is a fair point, but this only means that reality does not strictly only consider us as a single entity

[kindred galleon]

whats like the book thing where the drifter overwrites the operator called - I wanna read up but cant find it

[lean garden]

The huh?

[normal mountain]

You sure he isn't talking about Wall Man?

[kindred galleon]

the uhh

[lean garden]

Quite

[normal mountain]

Okay

I'm not, but okay

[kindred galleon]

so like there was this explanation I heard in a video, where the drifter "outcome" is written over the operator "outcome" - but neither is erased, meaning you can just scratch deeper to find what was overwritten

i might just be dreaming up sht at this point if it doesnt ring any bells for you

[limber pulsar]

your first mistake is listening to a video for story

[kindred galleon]

gotta start over fresh in the morning

T_T

[lean garden]

Consider this: wallman when perceived was like this incredibly massive being, would quinn not be able to determine that its wallman?

Im not trying to convince you, I just want to run this thought all the way through

[lean garden]

Oh right source for this is eleanor's trauma for having seen wallman

The transcripts for this one aint out yet

[normal mountain]

Wall Man also shows up as our Operator's evil doppelganger
Who's to say Quinn would be able to tell the difference between us and them in that state?

[lean garden]

Mmm possible, but would a void silhouette be consider equal to physical form?

[normal mountain]

I will concede the point that he might, I just want to note that he might not

[lean garden]

Point in your favour is that albrechts own necramechs cant tell him and wally apart, however I suspect thats more due to the specific relationship albrecht and wally have

[feral cape]

Wally has weird eyes we dont

[lean garden]

Says you, my op/dftr has some goofy ahh cosmetics

[feral cape]

To specify wally clones have odd very galaxy looking eyes

[high bay]

Something I’m a tad curious about, do the Solaris have like an underground black market/illicit goods and services market?

TL;DR do the Solaris have organized crime

[proud wren]

Is it true that the Hex member we're dating move in with us at some point?

[high bay]

Probably a better question for #spoiler-chat ,||but to answer your krestion, yes||

[proud wren]

Oh sorry. I'll ask there

[high bay]

It’s fine

[proper barn]

The Corpus sell blackmarket stuff.

but also their is a underground market for things like debt bonds and stuff like tha smeelingly.

[proper barn]

it might be when you get to max affection it might be bugged to not work it might be added in echoes

any of these can be true.

[tawdry lintel]

i think kitguns are technically illicit.

also legs' moas maybe

[blissful merlin]

Someone here has posted Eleanor being in their back rooms. Thou I’ve only seen that specific one. It’s definitely a feature already in this update thou.

[proper barn]

sure

[dawn glade]

so, wally is angry with us or with just the orokin?

[proper barn]

Wally hates everyone

[dawn glade]

but why hate us

[glacial bough]

He doen't hate us, he just enjoys us suffering

[dawn glade]

oh

[lean garden]

that one was from reb no?

[oblique pond]

Moved over here

@scenic nest

[scenic nest]

Sorry im scouring wikis trying to find wisp lore

[oblique pond]

but yeah u get her parts from the Ropalolyst its pretty much connical thats shes reused Ropalolyst parts same way gara it just a riven mod as a warframe

[glacial bough]

There is none

[scenic nest]

Crow is claiming wisp has lore

[oblique pond]

make shift parts of the Ropalolyst

[glacial bough]

It is wrong. There is no established lore for Wisp

[strange plinth]

closest thing is whatever ballas says in her prime trailer, yeah?
n even then its about wisp prime not standard

[oblique pond]

u right

[normal mountain]

"In languid dreams a vision came, of new heaven, new Earth. I breathed life into its custodian. A subtle sprite, to seed life. Yet as I reached for my savage warden, she... slipped from me.

So now... ...I cast her in flesh. Yours.

Let her be real. Incandescent. This fugitive form. This... Wisp."

Basically, Ballas had a dream and made Wisp based on it

[strange plinth]

ye olde 'it came to me in a dream'

[north ferry]

She is described as extradimensional

[upper island]

rule number 1 in the DnD groups for kids I DM for is "never give the DM ideas" BUT
I have a thought that I can't scratch off my head

On-Lyne will also be protoframes, I can't explain, but some remind me rhino, oberon ETC

[fresh quarry]

the good thing is that technovyte coda are just clones

so the real onlyne are probably alive

[marsh mesa]

quick lore question, no idea why but i only just realised that the proto frames arent actually the first warframe versions, they are ordinary people that got infected by a helminth strain that albrecht entrati brought to 1999. question is tho why did he create the proto frames? was it just cause hes a scientist that does scientist things? what was his goal with creating them

[glacial bough]

He's attempting to create situations that will furthur his plan to stop Wally

[marsh mesa]

ohhh interesting okay i guess that makes more sense. so hes just trying to come up with anything to stop wally

[fresh quarry]

Shout to one of the best npcs in warframe Helminth

https://tenor.com/view/warframe-helminth-burger-eat-nom-nom-nom-gif-27322680

https://tenor.com/view/warframe-infested-helminth-ember-prime-gif-25597535

hes one of the reasons for our time travel

[upper island]

https://tenor.com/view/sesame-street-cookie-monster-eats-your-art-eating-muppet-crazy-eyes-gif-1461380403278441959

[stiff fable]

Also, he used the protoframes to create the Vessels in the present

[fathom elbow]

Lore-wise
Of the 6 warring factions, which one is the least represented in the lore?

[brittle siren]

it's funny because we still don't know what Kalymos can do

[lean garden]

Which factions?

[fathom elbow]

arbiters
perrin
red veil
suda
steel merdian
new loka

[brittle siren]

Grineer Corpus Infested Orokin Murmur Sentient Narmer Techrot Scaldar (I can't spell the last one)

[brittle siren]

oh those

If I have to guess, Suda kinda lack influence out of the other 5

[lean garden]

Hmmm I would say meridian or arbiter since they didnt have quests focused around them as far as I can recall

[brittle siren]

ah yeah quest related they are the least influence

[fathom elbow]

i thought about meridian at first
but meridian had operations about them

from what i heard

[lean garden]

Meridian has one of the most painful gamemodes attached to them

But theyve had a slight more mention with kahl, in that they like the goals of each other but dont agree on method

[fathom elbow]

so it's hexis?

i mean for the love of god i dont think the arbiters leader is even named

[lean garden]

Hexis has a better gamemode but thats about it

[humble sierra]

Red Veil has Chains of Harrow (The only ones to be a major part of a story quest)
Suda has Octavia’s Anthem
The New Loka have the Silver Grove
Perrin Sequence have Glast Gambit
Steel Meridian have Defection missions and were also in Chains of Harrow
Arbiters have Arbitrations

[upper island]

I swear
I'm not crazy
It's a gut, liver and spleen feelings
And I trust my spleen feelings

[humble sierra]

Might want to check your spleen

[upper island]

NOOOOOOOOOO

[humble sierra]

They were introduced at TennoCon as being the new Infested Liches

They’ll get an update some time next year, likely February

[buoyant yarrow]

i would say Nezha for Packet and Vauban for DJ-RoM

[upper island]

Know what fair

[lean garden]

Tbf based on the hacked emails the coda liches arent the actual onlyne

Which explains how we can always fight more than one set of them

[proper barn]

Kalymos is also helping us and even the Hex are all like "that's albretchs cat isn't that a little werid?"

Which is funny.

[rancid gulch]

Can some say me now we end up in form durivi in 1999 ?, i didn't got right in my head

[graceful swan]

Huh?

[lean garden]

Well for starters theres a nice whole giant bit where youve been out of duviri since tnw

[rancid gulch]

I am not a startet but i wanna know how we slip form one loop in to the next

[graceful swan]

In Duviri or in 1999?

[lean garden]

Well for non-starters, you havent been trapped in duviri ever since tnw

[rancid gulch]

Form durivi to 1999, i got a chat massieren wtih aoi where i sayed i come form durivi to 1999

Oh lol

[graceful swan]

Yeah Drifter created Duviri and lived there for a very long time he left Duviri did Origin System stuff then went to 1999

[lean garden]

You wanna screenshot that

[graceful swan]

That’s a simplified version at least

[rancid gulch]

Yea when i find it

[graceful swan]

Find what?

[rancid gulch]

That

The chat form he want a Screenshot of,

[graceful swan]

The chats usually disappear when you close the section you chatted with them

[rancid gulch]

Nop when you click on the watch you can look thou all chats,

I gonna show you

And yea arthur ask me how i got there but when i click on the chat ist blank what not normally happend;

Or not,

I need more time to look thou all of that, but wenn i finde it i post it,

[manic rover]

Quick question. The changes we make in 1999 don't affect the main timeline because of Eternalism shenanigans, right?

[restive river]

No they do change things, we know they do because of how Coda liches will work

1999 is the true past, we just changed it

Eternalism was only used to explain like 2 things and neither have anything to do with 1999
Aside from explaining Drifter’s existence

[manic rover]

You quite literally look into my thoughts.
I thought about the Codas having those crazy grudges that last for millennia.

[restive river]

Lmao

But yes 1999 is the true past, we just changed it

Which we have yet to see the ramifications
But tbh there may not be that many

The Orokin still happen so history doesn’t seem to change that much

[cunning tapir]

Maybe it'll be avengers time travel rules.

When you go to the past, that "past" becomes your "Present" and your present becomes the "past" which can't be into a new future.

[fresh fractal]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[manic rover]

The past we caused was always the true past. Bootstrap paradox but we KNEW we would have to go

[manic rover]

No.

So we somehow cause the "birth" of a Coda lich in the past.

I assume, there will be some sort of millennial hibernation for them because they would technically already be our adversary if it wasn't for that

Other than the fact that they won't require requiem mods, what else do we know about them?

[tall echo]

There won't be major cutscenes until then

[cunning tapir]

The infested hivemind does go beyond the limits of time and space. That is how we go back in time in the firsst place.

like.....the vessels had a connection to the hex i mean.

[manic rover]

The infestation is weird. The 3rd major plot point after Wally and the Orokin

Do we even know bits about its origin

[graceful swan]

It existed before the Orokin and 1999 is the Plague year enjoy I saved you having to read 60 text books

[cunning tapir]

I have a hunch that the techrot all started because someone thought "computer virus" in the more literal sense while exposed to void energy.

[manic rover]

Yeah that much is known
According to the PC mentioning the Codas it was supposedly discovered prior to 1999. It just spreaded in 1999

[tall echo]

Seemingly not discovered, created

[manic rover]

Albrecht brought his Bonzi Buddy in the void

[manic rover]

I don't think a plague that has lasted for over 20000 years is man made

[graceful swan]

DE actually updated old quests with Koumei or LE one of them

In preparation for 1999

[tall echo]

The coda, not the technocyte itself

[manic rover]

Oh yeah we know

The Codas were created as sort of doppelgangers for Onlyne

I REALLY hope the Codas play distorted music when you fight them

[tall echo]

Ah, wording threw me off

I shouldn't be talking here while also playing games, gets me confused

[manic rover]

It looks like the Codas won't be randomly generated

[stone pier]

Oh, btw
Are there any references to dark sector in 1999?

[manic rover]

The Techrot infested gaming company called "Digital Extremes" was hiring as they were gonna make a game called War Sector.

That gameplay you see of War Sector is supposedly dev footage of Dark Sector

[tall echo]

It's a book and movie

[sly ibex]

I don't understand what you mean by this.

LE?

[graceful swan]

Lotus Eaters

[sly ibex]

Oh, gotcha.

[tall echo]

Lumpy earth

[river tangle]

let's feed some hex treasures like big bytes pizza to helminth \o/

if only it's possible...

[stiff fable]

What, no it doesn't. Time travel is done via the void, the infestation is involved only to make sure that the Drifter lands in the right place at the right time.

[cunning tapir]

It seemed to when the vessels had a connection via Arthur and the giant helminth mouth spitting out Excalibur.

[stiff fable]

Right but that's targeting. It's Loid running the Kalymos Sequence that's causing the time travel, not the Vessels themselves

The Vessels are supposed to be Albrecht's weapon against Wally

[cunning tapir]

I know, it's just they had a connection to Arthur that Loid exploited to be able to send the drifter to the past via piggybacking on that connection.

[stiff fable]

But it's not the infested hivemind, it's the Vessel being made out of Arthur

Like, we know that the infestation can't talk backwards in time to itself or it'd be that stuff from All You Need Is Kill

As a hivemind it can carry a massive amount of information forward in time with itself which is probably what's going to happen with the liches

[high bay]

Ah, that makes sense, so is it out of the question for Solaris to have organized crime?

[feral cape]

How vexxing

[feral cape]

We go back in time because albretch did some OoooOOooo

Also if the infested could send information into the past they'd never lose

[proper barn]

Probably Chipper was hitman / general criminal.

[rough rose]

lore wise why do sister of parvos have warframes in their fights

[high bay]

If I had to guess, Parvos probably stole some of Alad’s tech

[proper barn]

They are spectors

[high bay]

That makes more sense than what I came up with in like 5 seconds

[proper barn]

And they are specters of the strongest people in the universe. Like he's using the tech he made.

Like we get spector particles from

His dimension.

[inner halo]

Spector Particles come from the void and naturally try to imitate things. The Man in The Wall almost exclusively communicates through imitating others. Its just a neat little lore connection I like.

[stuck iris]

Could the Drifter become a protoframe? I doubt it's possible but would love to see it anyway

[tall echo]

No

[silk atlas]

He could but that doesn't mean anything because they're not going to do that

[tall echo]

Tenno are immune to getting infected by the infestation, it seems safe to assume the same applies to the drifter

[graceful swan]

"We're immune to the Infestation but they still try to kill us."

[proper barn]

Parvos research was specter particles

[inner halo]

Yeah, but they're from the void. He discovered them (well, he stole them from Entrati but he discovered how to use them at least) and built specter technology from them. I just think it's neat the connections between the particles inherent property of copying and Wally's copying.

[proper barn]

sure

[sly pagoda]

Like so much of our tech IRL now, the Orokin depended on a single thing.

We depend on The Cloud
They depended on The Void

The upside is at least so far the cloud has not manifested a eldritch being.

[restive river]

We depend on electricity
They depend on the void

[brittle siren]

So from Quincy convo, Drifter said that Thrax is their best friend, until Drifter grew up but Thrax not. Drifter want to leave and Thrax execute them for leaving him

[restive river]

Yeah that tracks

[spice spade]

Yup, that indeed tracks

[fresh quarry]

I got a theory that we are the indifference we are the cause of everything with the warframes, the technology, and the orokin. At some point in the future I believe we find ourselves to become lost in the void from our adventures regretting everything and growing into the indifference. This causes us to have manifest ourselves into the man in the wall and in an attempt to stop where it all started with entratis experiment into the void we begin to repeat history trying to stop our previous self from continuing on their adventure in becoming us.

or maybe the drifter becomes the indifference over time

we grow attached to things and as we begin to understand more of the void we become more apathetic

or maybe an us from a previous timeline became the indifference and we are in a new timeline forming the bonds we should've formed before

[jade aurora]

energy orbs will run out some time :/

[brittle siren]

there are 1 flaw of 1999 that I can't get over with
the Cavia, Loid and Lotus has no new dialogue
I mean Loid keep saying: I wish my Albrecht could have meet you
Dude he did and tried to kill me too

[lean garden]

quite alot of ifs and maybes there

[fresh quarry]

just a theory

[humble sierra]

Fr, seems like a wasted opportunity

Especially since ||Loid shows up|| in the Finale

[brittle siren]

Why it sound like Thin Man in Little Nightmare 2

[brittle siren]

I hope that Coda update will actually do sth

[torn nexus]

I really hope that Sorren and Jade's child plays an important role in the future of Warframe's story. As a single father you make me tear up like that and not consider doing more development with it.

This is also giving Creedence to my theory that The Wolf of Saturn Six is a warframe whom has gained his sentience much like Jade and Sorren

[glacial bough]

You'd kind be hard pressed to prove that second part in general, and much harder in how the child connects to it

[lean garden]

Until now, right?** Some Grineer meathead** they started calling 'The Wolf'. On account of him taking up howlin' at night. Decrypts say he was a model prisoner, doing the time. Fabbin' bombs with the rest of his con brothers. Apple of the Warden's eye even."|
hard to be a warframe while being a grineer meathead

[humble sierra]

Plus he very much got bodied by Kahl so there's not much chance he's going to be relevant ever again

[torn nexus]

But that is all hearsay. Stuff that she heard about the wolf. It doesn't make it accurate.

Grineer had been hunting for Warframe's for years. Maybe there was no info on the wolf until he was found and had no reason to attack anyone until the break out of Saturn six

Maybe there is a connection between The Wolf and Voruna.

[lean garden]

ok then here

"Kahl, Grineer signal ahead, but... abnormal. It's as if he was connected to a Sentient mind before Narmer..

[torn nexus]

Maybe he was a grineer before he was made into a warframe

[lean garden]

Now I must ask you, what made you think he's a warframe

[humble sierra]

There's very little to suggest he's a Warframe

[lean garden]

and who made him into a warframe

[humble sierra]

Almost nothing really, besides his strength

[torn nexus]

His agility in combat is far faster than any grineer. Plus his armor is pretty similar to that of a warframe. That and his "Wolf" theme being very similar to Voruna can't be just a mere coincidence lore wise.

[dire mountain]

1. He is notably less agile than a warframe
2. His armor looks grineer albeit more akin to higher ranking individuals over your common grunt
3. Things can share a theme without being related

[strange plinth]

only called the wolf due to his howling, no further association
crazy(?) grineer > sentient fusion > narmer veiled
he's agile in the way anything that's gone through that much experimentation is, def not warframe level though

[dire mountain]

Its like saying scaldra are proto-grineer just because they're both militarized factions

(People have said that before and it's always enough to get a sigh out of me)

[strange plinth]

yeah
scaldra and grineer share:
militarized faction
green (tho different shades)
but they vastly differ otherwise

[dire mountain]

The grineer also use a tiny bit of chemical warfare (nox) but thats scaldra's entire shtick

[inner halo]

There are a few dialogue and name connections too. Rusalka and Vodaynoi are both grineer nodes on the star chart, Viktor talks about Squad 8 which seems to be a Vay Hek/Khal reference

[strange plinth]

tbf that's like comparing grineer anti-infested squads to scaldra's.. anti-infested.. entire existence

[dire mountain]

Have we ever seen a dedicated anti-infested squad from either main faction actually i don't remember

[strange plinth]

they have units for it
hyekka masters are the main grineer ones afaik
dunno about corpus specifically but they prolly have some too

[lean garden]

His agility in combat is far faster than any grineer.
As AntiCaesar said, less agile than a warframe, but also grineer manic units have similar levels of agility
Plus his armor is pretty similar to that of a warframe.
In the attached image, its pretty clear that wolf's armour is not as flesh-like as a warframe
That and his "Wolf" theme being very similar to Voruna can't be just a mere coincidence lore wise.
But it can, Voruna is an actual wolf frame with 4 in 1 wolves, wolf is just called wolf because he howls, with 0 visual ties to being a wolf

[fresh quarry]

The wolf of saturn is just a suped up grineer clone he isnt the first kind of super grineer we have met guys. He also isnt a warframe or anything similiar to one the only thing making him stronger are probably whatever chemicals or cybernetics they put into him. He has no connection to voruna, and things such as being named wolf or howling is just a random thing warframe characters do.

for example umbra howls and can be found on luna but he has no connection to voruna

[humble sierra]

What's the lore reason for weapons like the Aklex and Twin Krokhur requiring rare materials and credits just so I can hold two at a time?

Not a joke btw I'm genuinely curious if there's an explanation for this

[graceful swan]

I think that’s just a gameplay thing

[lean garden]

Pretty much gameplay, but if you wanna hc it being the act of linking the weapons together or something go ahead

[turbid vigil]

The desiege had an theory that wally or the Wally that shows up in our orbiter is actually our shadow self based on Carl Jung's shadow

If this is true then there's more than 1 wally

At least in physical form

[lean garden]

I mean we have seen multiple physical expressions of wally in one place before

[obtuse vine]

yeah we did see entrati and operator's wally at the end of WITW

[humble sierra]

Wally himself is basically a Shadow Self as a concept

[raw stone]

This isn't particular to 1999, but... why is the Drifter specifically usually seen in Mirrors?

[humble sierra]

He exists as a mirror

[raw stone]

The Dormizone Mirror and I guess the 1999 Mirror by proxy too.

[lean garden]

oh simple: DE couldnt code a proper mirror LOL

[raw stone]

Hmn... is that just... how they manifest then? From mirrors?

[humble sierra]

It’s a good way to show that there’s something beneath the Warframe shell too

[raw stone]

Well thing is, my warframe shows up in the mirror too.

[humble sierra]

More of a gameplay thing— those parts of Dormizone/Duviri and 1999 are more earthy and grounded

[lean garden]

its very likely that theres a model of your drifter tracking your warframe's movements and the mirror is serving as a literal window where that room is stored

[raw stone]

I suppose. Just... hoped there'd also be an explanation.

[humble sierra]

The operator would probably show in a similar way if they didn’t have the transference

[lean garden]

I think evil within, or a silent hill game did the same thing for a reflection

[turbid vigil]

Okay hear me out....wally and the infested

[humble sierra]

Start cooking

[obtuse vine]

u talking bout this?

[humble sierra]

We’ll either eat it or tear into you like Gordon Ramsay

[raw stone]

Yeah, and Dormizone too

[turbid vigil]

Reverse vampire...shows up in mirrors but not in the room

[turbid vigil]

Wally is the mind behind the infested

Or atleast the techrot

[obtuse vine]

add it to the list of unexplained things in warframe

[lean garden]

?

[obtuse vine]

pretty sure this one is just a gameplay thing tho

[turbid vigil]

The infested operate via hivemind just like the murmur

They both look weird

They both operate like a virus

[graceful swan]

He isn’t though

[turbid vigil]

The only thing going against it is that the infested is deathly afraid of the void

Yet the coda use music to infest others

Just like void angles

[graceful swan]

2 things both using the same thing doesn’t automatically make them the same

Music could just be a thing they both use

Also Wally isn’t actually the Angels master per se

They just go after anything with loads of Void energy

[brittle siren]

this thing sometime use Rell voiceline "Rap tap"

[graceful swan]

That’s actually Wallys line

[brittle siren]

but he never said it (well tbf whenever he said it, it has the void tongue with it so idk)

that still the exact sound that Rell make

[graceful swan]

Well you see Wally was in Rells mind

So it is actually Wally that says it

[brittle siren]

ah yeah

[woven coyote]

Rell was just immitating the sound wally made to annoy him (possibly)

Wally is taping the window in the classroom flashback
And his fingers constantly tap the reliquary drive's glass

[graceful swan]

Rell was also seemingly trying not to say his name so him doing the tapping could’ve been him saying it without alerting him by saying the actual name

[marsh mesa]

wait, while talking to kaelli on deimos, on-lyne plays in the background?

[graceful swan]

Yeah that’s been a thing for a while

[marsh mesa]

wait really???

[graceful swan]

Yep

[marsh mesa]

lol

[graceful swan]

It was added with Lotus Eaters

[marsh mesa]

ohhhh, okay was worried it got added ages and ages ago

dont usually go to the necralisk

[glossy gazelle]

So someone told me Warframe gets dunked on by Hell Divers.

Based on my observation Warframes would easily take down super earth without issue, the only thing holding them back would be their lack of interstellar travel.

Thoughts?

[vivid moon]

I just realize something. You know like how we the Tenno are able to transference into a warframe because they have a transference bolt in their head, so then how come we’re able to transfer into the Protoframes? Because the transference port was made way into the future, so how come we can go into their minds and bodies?

[glossy gazelle]

In theory it's more so that transference is native to Tenno, but warframes work better with a transference bolt to help facilitate the transfer. Hence why our operator struggles in 1999.

ie he had to build a certain rapport with the protoframes before being able to influence them.

[tall echo]

Considering interstellar travel is a thing in wf, just either very risky or slow, even that wouldn't hold them back

[glossy gazelle]

I also figured that the warframes aren't exactly against using tech that's captured. So the first Super Earth ship that they invade is straight up getting dissected.

[tall echo]

People who think that helldivers can take on warframes heavily overestimate the fragile divers' abilities

[glossy gazelle]

He mostly claimed it was because Helldivers had insane numbers to "meat wall" the problem.

My counter was that the Grineer are already trying and failing at that.

[tall echo]

Sheer numbers don't do anything against what are comparatively gods. It's like the 5 billion lions vs 1 of every pokemon thing

[glossy gazelle]

His second counter was nukes...

Like if you want to sacrifice your ships without actually killing the Tenno by all means. The Tenno can get warframes back.

[tall echo]

Warframes can canonically withstand being extremely close to the sun

[glossy gazelle]

Something that would casually vaporize most things.

[tall echo]

During the ballas fight in tnw the op/drifter takes damage, warframes do not

[graceful swan]

I thought the frame was taking damage

[tall echo]

Nah, no ticks

[glossy gazelle]

I know the railjack can take damage from flares, but casually it was fine if I recall right.

[tall echo]

Yeah but systems take a hit at very close vicinity

[glossy gazelle]

Meanwhile my Chroma: This is fine.

[tall echo]

Chroma: sees another warframe get reworked before him
"This is not fine."

[glossy gazelle]

Someday we'll have Chroma be a true dragon as he was meant to be.

Honestly thought we'd get his rework this year considering it's the year of the dragon.

[tall echo]

"One of the most powerful warframes" yeah sure lotus, and I'm thor's son

[glossy gazelle]

Plus wasn't Chroma canonically suppose to be an Umbra frame before Excal Umbra?

Or was that cause he didn't have an operator?

[tall echo]

No he was just independent in his quest for unknown reasons

Common theory is that his trophy pelt took control of him

[glossy gazelle]

Could've sworn the quest said he was infested

But yea I still shake my head at Lotus...Chroma rework please. Let the dragon rise.

[tall echo]

He's in the infested faction in the codex, as all enemy frames are

Except the grove ones

[glossy gazelle]

That may be because of the nature of frames being made with infested material.
Too bad I can't summon him in the simulacrum that way

[old dome]

...wasnt he being piloted by someone unknown??

[graceful swan]

Infestation are weak to heat so frames not getting damaged is a little odd

[glossy gazelle]

Probably because most infested don't grow sword steel?

At least it doesn't appear that they do.

[old dome]

im guessing its bc theyre also metal & not just infested flesh...

[glossy gazelle]

So I'm plotting out the likely event of Hell Divers vs Warframes.
Hell Divers enter into the Origin system and try to take over. Warframes swarm the Hell Diver ships. Hell divers likely would try to shoot the ships down, not realizing the danger.
If so much as a single warframe gets onto a Hell Diver ship, that ship is absolutely lost. Since Hell Divers amount to about a grineer butcher.

If the Hell Divers use a nuke to wipe out the oncoming ships, their sensors are jammed, and warframes on archwings are in flight instead, since warframes can just casually shrug of magnetic procs.
That's not even accounting for how broken the lore is on the infestation and how it'd easily wipe out the hell divers just the same.

Corpus and Grineer would probably also wipe out the Hell Divers if I'm being fair.
Corpus from robot spam that have shields. (Hell Diver robots do not have any shields as far as I know)
Grineer are more heavily armored than Hell Divers making it an easy victory for them as well.

Thoughts? Did I miss anything?

[lean garden]

As someone who avidly plays HD2, we've lost so many planets already lmao, meat walls dont mean diddly squat if you cant secure campaign objectives

If hunhow gets off his ahh and helps, helldiver gear becomes our gear

[glossy gazelle]

If Hunhow got up he could probably help the warframes to actually make a government instead of just helping keep the balance.

[lean garden]

Child soldiers are not really a suitable form of governance I fear

[glossy gazelle]

Considering it's a choice between child soldiers and a combat vet who knows only a children's story, the only governance would be from the collective culture that it seems the Lotus infused into us.

[lean garden]

Which isnt really ideal for an actual government

Your administrators only know how to administer bullets or space magic therapy

[glacial yacht]

so I just played through the Hex finale quest... Can anyone explain what in the Void just happened?

[glossy gazelle]

However children do have a great sense of right and wrong...but a lack of patience for getting all the facts.

[lean garden]

The power of friendship (literally) saved the day

[glossy gazelle]

Sounds about right

[glacial yacht]

Is the indifference defeated?

[lean garden]

Not for long not for good

[glossy gazelle]

The indifference is inevitable.

[graceful swan]

Let’s shatter the Indifference

[sly ibex]

Honestly, I say let it do whatever it wants with Albrecht first. That guy deserves some serious comeuppance lol

[glossy gazelle]

Let's become the indifference.

[sterile lotus]

Some on X’s ask can Proto frame become Proto Prime Frames?

[sage moat]

Uhhhh well primes are just reconstructions of the original frames (in most cases) so I'd imagine all protoframes are proto prime frames they just don't look it cause idk like eternalism or something

[west oasis]

In lore? I don't think so

[cunning tapir]

Nah, the indifference needs to be dealt with first.
then we lock Albrecht in a room with Tagfer for half an hour (on the condition that Albrecht doesn't die).
And let him get an earful from Gomaitru, Loid and the rest of the family for his shenanigans.

[glossy gazelle]

If I recall right Prime frames are frames that got a priming from the Orokin not because they were the originals.

[west oasis]

Ballas never reviewed the origin of the prime frames but its probably morbid

[glossy gazelle]

I imagine it involved some dismantling to give them enhanced armor, health, and shields, and granting them a connection to orokin spheres.

[west oasis]

How do we time travel btw? Through transference right? The drifter hints that his able to use transference to bring one of the proto frames to the future

[west oasis]

Or the children themselves cause ven hints at us bleeding for them

[sacred nebula]

not really, we only completed the kalymos sequence

[west oasis]

No just very pissed at us and is after Entarii

[sacred nebula]

the frames we make are weaker offbrand versions, primes are the closest we can get to the "original"

[glossy gazelle]

Umbra is an original example

[west oasis]

This would mean that transference can just go through time

[glossy gazelle]

Well transference doesn't care about distance, and since the Kalymos Sequence is a time loop, I imagine it's still in line with the rest of the system. It's just that their year was locked in place, and ours isn't.

[west oasis]

Oh yeah that makes sense

[tall echo]

Not all primes are originals, every frame was designed by the orokin, prime and base

[tall echo]

No

[west oasis]

What about revent

[tall echo]

Warden was made by orokin, just got corrupted by the eidolon

[west oasis]

Oh yeah

[glossy gazelle]

Wonder what Revenant's power set was pre-eidolon

[tall echo]

Same, would be cool if we could someday find a surviving warden blueprint

[glossy gazelle]

Or the original three frames Xaku was

[tall echo]

Said to be forever lost to the void, but nothing like that was said about the warden iirc

[glossy gazelle]

We should also consider that the Orokin weren't perfect. So there is a chance some frames were indeed duds. Cough Yarelli Cough

[tall echo]

Ivara leverian companions are gone forever too

[glossy gazelle]

Wait...a warframe designed to chain something down and guard it...sounds like Harrow...

Probably just a coincidence though since Harrow was reintroduced from Rell's quest.

[tall echo]

Warden couldn't chain the eidolon, it's basically a ghost. He cut it down every night until he got too curious

[glossy gazelle]

Which sounds more like Sevagoth or Inaros, semi-immortal frame that just keeps coming back after dying.

[tall echo]

He didn't die

[glossy gazelle]

But neither of them really fits as a pre-Revenant. So we're back to square one for figuring out the Warden

Oh I misread what you said earlier. You meant the Eidolon was the ghost.

[leaden ermine]

@lean garden Had a question

So, the weapon skills are the Tenno's or the Warframe's?

[lean garden]

Tenno

[leaden ermine]

Who was taught to use the weapons?

[lean garden]

Tenno

[leaden ermine]

Okay, so it's literally children with the martial skills of a god

[lean garden]

Its why stalker can be differentiated from tenno

Because he doesnt fight like us

[graceful swan]

Wouldn’t it be the frames that were taught the skills but the Tenno that allows them to use the moves

[lean garden]

Not necessarily

Given that frames can essentially fight the same with the same pilot, its on the pilot

Also holdover from the original frame is found in personality, not it combat capability

[leaden ermine]

Also in the 1999 quest

|| We lift a truck, does that give us an idea of how strong frames are in physical strength? ||

[lean garden]

Hardly, humans already can lift vehicles in specific conditions, given that warframes are in essence superhuman bodies, this should be expected

[leaden ermine]

So we don't exactly know their strength

Considering we also pull off parts from Exploiter

[lean garden]

The ability to jump around like we do already belies wonderous strength

[leaden ermine]

|| And I assume the dying from jumping off the speeding truck during the Aoi sequence is basically a gameplay element? ||

[proper barn]

I would say both

but you know.

[lean garden]

I would say so, cuz yknow no way else for you to run that sequence

[leaden ermine]

Yeah I mean it would be weird for us to die from that because we literally BASH through ships in the slingshot

[fresh quarry]

"Tenno capture the enemy unit in order to learn what info they have," [Bonus Reward Forma x5

[glossy gazelle]

Imagine if we could invade the HD2 universe just for kicks...

[fresh quarry]

in terms of strength protoframes are significantly less physically strong

[leaden ermine]

Invade.

Genocide the robots and the bugs.

Refuse to elaborate further.

Leave.

[glossy gazelle]

And the Helldivers just be like "What just happened!?"

[tall echo]

Tenno would identify the actual problem and start a revolution on super earth

[glossy gazelle]

Kill all factions equally and leave as quickly as we appeared.

[tall echo]

The bots, tyranids, cyborgs, none of them are actually in the wrong, their methods are just a little primitive

[glossy gazelle]

Warframe method: Guerilla genocide

[tall echo]

You wildly misunderstand how the tenno act

[glossy gazelle]

Am I wrong in what you do in a survival mission? Kill anything that moves solo

Please elaborate, tell me how to go beyond just genocide.

[tall echo]

The difference is that in warframe all the factions are actually evil

[glossy gazelle]

Grineer are clones of clones of clones and don't know what they're doing since they're all brain dead armor nuts. Queens are obviously evil as they are trying to copy the Orokin.
Corpus, unregulated capitalism, pure fascism if I got the right term since they have absolute trust in the system.
Infested, ....not really evil they're just a biological life form that wants to grow. I'd say malicious like cancer is. They aren't evil, but they are detrimental.

Sentients,...I mean they feared the Orokin invading so I guess they're justified? But they don't have to stick around. But then again maybe the war ending never got told to the sentients back home.

[bright folio]

With the popularity of the protoframes I feel like down the road we’ll find more

Like idk the hex gang will encounter more

[glossy gazelle]

Still awaiting the infested lich weapons

[fresh quarry]

grineer are so interesting because we only think of the regular lancer and butchers but other grineer units can be so aware and extremely strong powered up like the wolf, the grustrag, the ghouls, and the bosses

[glossy gazelle]

It's funny how we kind of condemned their entire race, because we destroyed that lab that was trying to fix their cloning problem.

[bright folio]

Which ones we getting? I forgot I know we’re getting pox

[tall echo]

The grineer know what they're doing, the majority are forced into servitude by a loyalty gene.

Corpus are just endgame capitalism.

Infested are a hive mind that wants to consume all, those are just generally evil.

The sentients consider anything alive orokin and thus want to genocide the system.

[fresh quarry]

oh god i forgot that

[bright folio]

We’re definitely the bad guys

[glossy gazelle]

Hema (since Nidus didn't get his Hema prime)

Pathocyst (my favorite glaive)

Pox (with some kind of fancy new gimmick)

Pupacyst (love it but would like to see a variant)

Scoliac (I just think its neat)

Original weapons (archgun, heavysaw, flamethrower)

[fresh quarry]

well if we let them go on we would have to fight like 1 billion different wolf of saturns

[tall echo]

We made defectors more likely by not giving them a chance to perfect the occasionally defect loyalty gene

[glossy gazelle]

I think it was more than just a defective loyalty gene

[bright folio]

Canonically I wonder how many tenno their are because with the strength they have (lore wise frames like protea and limbo) I feel like it shouldn’t be hard to eradicate them

[tall echo]

It's all that allows them to desert the queens

[fresh quarry]

should be like over 10 million

[tall echo]

Or queen, rather. But they don't know that

[glossy gazelle]

I honestly miss how tanky the Grineer got in SP...I feel like the armor cap should be more like 29700 rather than 2700

[tall echo]

A few thousand

At least

[fresh quarry]

theres a lot more tenno keeping the system in balance

[glossy gazelle]

Would be funny if we could just casually tell them one of their queens is dead.

[bright folio]

Send 10 million Grendel’s and boom, 50 million grineer dispenser every 1 ish minutes or however long it takes for Grendel to digest

[tall echo]

Instant

[fresh quarry]

i think in lore we should be able to do that but we recognize that its not a good idea

[tall echo]

In lore at least

[bright folio]

Grendel belly ache 😔

[glossy gazelle]

It's a case that the last time we killed off a faction we kinda caused chaos, so why make it worse?

[fresh quarry]

if we kill grineer corpus control everything if we kill corpus grineer take over if we kill both the infested spreads faster if we kill infested the sentients are able to conquer again

[tall echo]

It's better to maintain the balance instead of trying to eradicate the inevitably returning evil

[glossy gazelle]

Aka no orokin, now there's nothing regulating anything. Grineer keep doing what they were told to...being a makeshift army. Corpus keep teching and doing capitlism. Infested no longer limited.

[bright folio]

Kill all factions = no chaos cuz no factions to cause chaos, ez solution

[glossy gazelle]

Ah yes genocide solution

[tall echo]

Until more emerge

[fresh quarry]

another thing is that these factions have their cities and colonies so we cant really kill them all

[bright folio]

Tell me 10 million saryns couldn’t do that

[tall echo]

You can't permanently get rid of bad people

[glossy gazelle]

A single Saryn could probably wipe out an entire ship easily if the game let us go that far

[glossy gazelle]

Sure you can. Kill all people so you're the last bad person, then well I don't gotta say it

[bright folio]

Yeah I know I’m just messing around, for each grineer we kill they can make 10 more to replace them

[glossy gazelle]

Imagine grineer waking up from the pod only to straight be murdered by a Warframe. Spawn camping

[tall echo]

And eventually bad will emerge again. What if you missed someone?

[fresh quarry]

i wish we got to visit the cities or colonies in the game

[tall echo]

Uranus sabotage

[glossy gazelle]

Only more personal

[fresh quarry]

you kill a ship of crewmen now their children want to be crewmen to take revenge

[glossy gazelle]

Solution, no witnesses

[tall echo]

The gobbo slayer way

[bright folio]

An army of nekros and saryns surely will inflict enough trauma and damage to prevent more from rising up

[glossy gazelle]

Almost any warframe is enough to keep a faction in check. Cause at a certain point more bodies just means the Warframe has an easier time.

[bright folio]

Qorvex moment

Nekros and maybe ash imo has gotta be the most traumatic frames to face

[glossy gazelle]

Blood altar would be traumatic for anyone

[limber pulsar]

we dont do that because this game takes the radical controversial stance of “genocide bad”

[bright folio]

Ash because you can’t see him when he fatal teleports someone, you just see your grineer buddy get folded like a pair of pants and you can’t even see what did it

[glossy gazelle]

But controlled genocide is good apparently. #UranusSabotage

[glossy gazelle]

Then there's Gara making a glass nuke that goes through walls if I recall right

[bright folio]

It does

[glossy gazelle]

Or Nidus leeching off your friend's body as he uses tentacles to put you in the worst Japanese fiction you've ever read.

[bright folio]

A trauma tier list would be kinda interesting tbh, ofc all are traumatizing but I wonder what’s the worse. Or at least deadly tierlist against giant armies, like nova wouldn’t be as traumatizing because pop you’re just gone while nekros’ terrify is literally trauma as a ability

[glossy gazelle]

I will now go to lunch and look forward to the many horrible ways I will be told what warframe is the most trauma inducing

[bright folio]

lmao

[slow bramble]

Wish the Tenno faction itself would get better fleshed out. I mean obviously there's us but what about the Lotus's end of things? She clearly has a support network making sure we get the contracts and things we need. (Like food)

I'm talking the blue suited NPC's manning the Stations.

[bright folio]

Oh and how the Tenno cryopod has those relay people in them that clearly aren’t Tenno

So who are they

[slow bramble]

Yes!

I've been wondering that this whole entire time.

[bright folio]

Or what do we do about the billions of capture targets we capture

My head canon is that we just give them to the red veil to constantly torture cuz they like it

[slow bramble]

Like, are they outcasts so they work with the outcasts? Are they Orikin Era workers who have been put on ice to serve specifically us?

You get warriors to defend a village. Not the other way around.

[bright folio]

Also relays are supposed to be tenno hang outs but where do they live? Do we all just live in orbiters in space

[slow bramble]

I think there's a massive (small comparatively) faction of Lotus loyal people who have their own lives and stuff they're just on Tenno payroll.

[bright folio]

I think I heard something about the void cloaking us

Imagine being a grinner galleon thinking your the biggest around just to see like 30 tenno orbiters parked next to each other just hanging out

Just to completely pull a 180

[slow bramble]

Oh that definitely happens regardless. The orbits of these planets must be so crowded.

[bright folio]

With the millions of tenno just invisible chilling around there has to be a case where a grineer ship accidentally ran into one which is funny

[slow bramble]

The orbiter is clearly just the cockpit of the ship. In the Drifters camp we can see the rest of the ship itself and it is pretty big.

[slow bramble]

I think they'd run into a cluster tbh

Which is probably what would happen if the Heart of Deimos stopped working.

We'd all drop out of voidspace and suddenly everyone's smacking into each other.

[bright folio]

in a National Geographic narrator voice the mighty grineer Galleon accidentally ran into a vicious pod of tenno

[slow bramble]

Oh no ninjas everywhere-
NOOOOO now I want to make that comic!

Okay so, the crash happens

Grineer Crew get wrecked.
Survivors are noncombatant Grineer who were just doing their jobs.

And since a lot of Tenno Ships got destroyed the Tenno pod takes over the Galleon.

Bunch of Teenagers, Drifters and Cephalons living side by side with Grineer

At least temporarily.

POV character would be a Grineer whose just focused on keeping his head down. VERY confused on where all these people came from aren't the Warframe Tenno?

Go from there.

Cause they never say Warframes when we show up it's TENNO SCUUUM!

[glossy gazelle]

Idk it usually results in utter destruction of the grineer since the grineer are all worker warriors. Unlike the corpus who do have a civilian population working on the ship too

[tall echo]

Dojos

[glossy gazelle]

Dojos, orbiters, camps, the Zaramin, etc

[tall echo]

Zariman

[glossy gazelle]

No idea why it sent that here…anyways lots of places for a Tenno

[tall echo]

Mainly dojos since the camp is exclusive to the player

[graceful swan]

Tenno operatives always move around tbh

[glossy gazelle]

Idk dojos don’t have a person space naturally, orbiters have the Tenno room

[graceful swan]

“Newly awakened, and with no permanent location to call home, Tenno warriors have aligned to construct secret temples of their own. The architecture within is distinctly Tenno in origin, but these hidden places of bonding, training and meditation are undeniably influenced by Orokin architecture”

[glossy gazelle]

A home can be more than just a place to sleep, a place to belong

[graceful swan]

Tbh that description is outdated because nowadays we do have a place to call home

[glossy gazelle]

I’d say a dojo is more of a place to belong and come together than a place to rest and eat

[graceful swan]

Rn the closest home we get is a literal Apartment

We stole Albrechts Apartment

[glossy gazelle]

No the Zariman and Orbiter both have beds, the Zariman is probably even more fitting

I just find it ironic that we can’t set the Zariman as our default home

[graceful swan]

That’s why they made the Backroom without all the flaws of Dormizone

[glossy gazelle]

I just wish I had access to that texturing around the door, it’s awesome and I want to analyze it

[feral cape]

You assume there's 10 million saryns

We have no confirmation on how many tenno exist just that as per cephalon cordylons there is not enough of us to wipe out both grineer and corpus at the same time

[feral cape]

Its because we cant

[bright folio]

Just put the Tenno factories into overdrive

[glossy gazelle]

I mean I'd just wipe them out one at a time...and if they combine forces to fight us...well that just makes it easier

[feral cape]

You have to wipe both

If you do not wipe both at the same time the other gathers too much power to be dealt with

[glossy gazelle]

It takes time for power to consolidate, by the time we wipe out the Grineer we would be able to wipe out the Corpus easily.
Though I'd say starting with the Corpus is better. Because whenever I've seen an invasion between the two, Corpus always ended up on top. They got the tech, so optimally it's best if we wipe them out first then the grineer.

[slow phoenix]

Where's the bed in the orbiter? I thought it was only shelves and that sofa

[glossy gazelle]

Could've sworn it was in the den on the right side, maybe I'm mistaken then.
In which case Zariman and Apartment are our two homes

[slow phoenix]

Also the tenno can definitely wipe out the grineer and corpus of they want, but we want to maintain BALANCE, instead of causing chaos by removing the 2 big governing forces of the system, that's why we help one of them in invasions

[tall echo]

The dojo has rooms to sleep, building them is how you expand the member cap on a clan

[slow phoenix]

I'm wondering where all the tenno who weren't us (main tenno) were during the new war

Like were they just hiding in the void somewhere?

[tall echo]

Great question

[slow phoenix]

They weren't in dojos because we saw a sentient murex next to the dojo node in the new war quest

Maybe they were laying low in grineer and corpus outposts with a truce

[glossy gazelle]

Those are cryopods not beds

[slow phoenix]

A bed is a bed if you're tired enough

[glossy gazelle]

The difference is between intended sleep and an induced coma

Because if those count as beds so does the Tenno chamber in the orbiter

[tall echo]

The chair is where the operator sleeps

[slow phoenix]

You can't tell me that the operator has never taken a nap in that thing

[tall echo]

There are no beds in the orbiter

[slow phoenix]

Yeah so we use the transference pod

[glossy gazelle]

Canonically the transference pod is indeed a "sleep" hence the quest mentioning dream and sleep.

[feral cape]

Objectively wrong

[glossy gazelle]

How is it wrong? It takes time to build supply lines. It takes time to figure out what you have access to.

[feral cape]

Because the question has already been asked and answered

We do not posses the capability to completely wipe out both sides

[glossy gazelle]

Where was it stated?

[feral cape]

Back in ye olden times there was ask a Cephalon and someone asked why don't we just murder the grineer queens amongst the answer given was that the power struggle would be to great a risk

[feral cape]

Ask a Cephalon

[glossy gazelle]

Too great a risk does not mean we don't have the capability. But I will check the exact answer.

[sly pagoda]

The power vacuum issue

[glossy gazelle]

That's a lack of imagination on the Cephalon's part. Do you know which one it is? There are 24 of them.

[feral cape]

No idea

[glossy gazelle]

Then I'm digging through all of them

[feral cape]

Cordy is the right hand of lotus

He knows all our capabilities

[glossy gazelle]

The Lotus also actively holds us back ever since the incident with the Orokin. She's not unbiased.

I at least appretiate that you put me onto this, these questions and answers are funny.

[sly pagoda]

https://warframe.fandom.com/wiki/Cephalon_Cordylon

[glossy gazelle]

I'm in the Orokin archieves

Furthermore Cephalon aren't true AI, they are uploaded and edited people.

That's from number 3

[feral cape]

We knew this

[sly pagoda]

More importantly most were not willing.

When one looks at available punishments that we know of at least. Jade Light is so far the most merciful.

[glossy gazelle]

So I went through all of the Ask a Cephalon, and the closest thing is the answer as to why we do not assassinate the queens, or in this case queen.

So no, Cordy did not say we cannot exterminate them all.

That or my skimming has failed to notice it in all the questions. However I also actively searched the text for exterminate, genocide, and power struggle.

Plus tactically speaking if Lodus finds sufficient amounts of cloning facilities, we can sabotage those and then wipe out the corpus while the Grineer were slowly dying off due to being clones.
Thus the many neutral settlements we avoid for the sake of not putting them in danger could get together and form a new government.

[lean garden]

Now politically speaking that new government is going to go through hell because thats going to be an intra-system govt, who knows how successful it would be at useful administration

[glossy gazelle]

This is true, however it would remove the exploitive Grineer and Corpus, leaving it down to just us wiping out any enclaves of Infested

[lean garden]

Cordy has made mention that the grineer hold locations with resources that make them rather difficult (nigh impossible) to get rid of

[feral cape]

Which isn't easy or feasible we don't have the resources to blow up a moon

Nobody wants the infested in the system

[lean garden]

Hey if some kid from a backwater moisture farm can blow up a not-moon with just two missiles so can we

[feral cape]

Yet neither grineer nor corpus have vaporized eris

[glossy gazelle]

It's most likely because the Eris strain is self-contained

[feral cape]

No

It actively throws itself at other planets

[glossy gazelle]

Ok updating plan

[feral cape]

Thats what a plague star is

If anybody in sol has the power it'd be like first order of business to blow up eris

[glossy gazelle]

You'd think we'd be able to at least get the corpus and grineer to come together to destroy Eris...or the Sentients would target it.
Giant evolving bio-mass.

[feral cape]

Except nobody in sol has the firepower to vaporize a moon

[glossy gazelle]

Combined perhaps we have enough firepower

[feral cape]

We need to vaporize it not blow it up

[glossy gazelle]

Patrick Star approach: Just push it somewhere else

[feral cape]

Like blowing it up means we send giant chunks of infestation every which way

We don't have the tech to move a moon either

[glossy gazelle]

Considering it's actually the size of an asteroid and Grineer already fly in this...
No we do. It's more of a problem that any tech we use to move it would be subject to infestation too

Also Deimos, not Eris btw.

[feral cape]

Eris is what I'm talking about

Eris is an infested moon

[glossy gazelle]

Deimos is the one that's fully infested though

[feral cape]

Its also not throwing itself at other planets

Eris is the one we want gone

Deimos is useful no deimos no heart no tech

[glossy gazelle]

It has a good throwing arm considering Eris is on the edge of the solar system...unless the Orokin decided it was more convenient to move it closer

Wonder what would happen if we introduced the Deimos strain to Eris

[graceful swan]

Look at Eris now now think of that but worse

[glossy gazelle]

However the forums seem to indicate no one knows if it is Deimos or Eris.
Only evidence I can find on the plague star origins (so far) are that they are vulnerable to viral. Only the deimos strain is immune to viral.

[graceful swan]

Plague Star was Eris strain

[glossy gazelle]

Indeed considering Eris is still rock we should be able to push it toward the sun...or the strain decides this is perfect and turns it into a big flying rock spraying infestation everywhere...

[graceful swan]

Luckily there’s no one around that can be Infested

[glossy gazelle]

Or we could try shoving it into the Void like Lua.

Your problem now Man in the Wall.

[feral cape]

We don't have that tech eithet

Also that requires alot of infrastructure

[glossy gazelle]

Cause the Orokin locked up all the cool toys it seems

[feral cape]

No all the cool toys blew up

[glossy gazelle]

I mean we could dismantle the one around Lua...considering that entire device would likely be the way it was done.
However that's a lot of speculation

[graceful swan]

Nobody has been able to replicate Orokin tech the way they did

People have tried

[glossy gazelle]

I asked my Cephalon...he speculated a few ways. But they're all labeled as theoretical:

Void-based Superweapon: Harnessing Void energy into a doomsday device might destroy Eris.
Infestation Detonation: Triggering a catastrophic reaction within the Infestation could destabilize the planet’s structure.
Railjack-based Attack: Coordinating an assault using multiple Railjack ships equipped with Void-enhanced weaponry could theoretically devastate the surface.
Unknown Orokin Artifact: Discovering and activating a long-lost Orokin weapon designed for mass destruction might do the trick.

Infestation detonation seems the most likely considering the research on Eris.

[proper barn]

Most of the cool toys where taken over by the sentients

robots can take over tech.

[glossy gazelle]

So wipe out the sentients first, got it.

Faster than translate Orokin...

[proper barn]

I mean we know infested Bio bombs made by the orokin exist.

cuz that's what happened to diemos

to protect it from the sentients.

[glossy gazelle]

Seems the Sentients focused on people rather than a mindless infestation though

[proper barn]

Like two scientists set off a bio bomb on diemos to protect the Void Heart. cuz like the warframes where the only thing winning the war.

[glossy gazelle]

Sacrifice a planet, win the war. Seems like it worked out, aside from Deimos looking terrible.

[proper barn]

I mean diemos before the infestation was and still is a site of Orokin tech wonders. Like if the sentients ever go to the void heart they would win.

even the current inside of diemos has so many wonders like the vessels.

[glossy gazelle]

Maybe they have a proper cure...no they didn't think that far ahead

[proper barn]

I mean it wasn't the family that did it

but also the family could transfer bodies i guess.

they would have to steal like Jerry the Ostron from his husband terry though.

[scenic depot]

so is ||eleanor the first to enter the void now|| (1999 chat spoilers)

[tall echo]

What

[stiff fable]

Technically, yes

but also it's more astral projection

[humble sierra]

Is it canon that Brimon in Duviri is a sore loser? I feel like every time I win a race, immediately 5 Dax spawn afterwards

[feral cape]

Not really time is causality albretch has to enter the void first for any of this happen

[limber topaz]

Hey guys, how did the drifter actually get the power to rewind time?

[slow bramble]

The orbiter has a couch and our transference pod. Not exactly a bed.

[slow bramble]

End of the Duviri Paradox. We stole it from Thrax

[glossy gazelle]

Yep my mistake

[glossy gazelle]

Hippity hoppity, his power is our property

[limber topaz]

They said that duviri is created from the emotions of our drifter, so who is thrax, another man in the wall?

[glossy gazelle]

Thrax was from a book in the tales of Duviri

[tall echo]

Coincidence. He's not a sore loser but also not a particularly good one, I assume he represents pride based on his general behavior

[limber topaz]

So does he also have that power in the book, and if the void can manifest such complex powers and characters based solely on emotions doesn't that mean the man in the wall is also some sort of manifestation?

[glacial bough]

That's one of the leading theories

[tall echo]

1. He doesn't have the powers in the book afaik

2. It is heavily implied that albrecht created wally

[feral cape]

Albrecht

[glacial bough]

He can do it in Duviri because he's the one who made the place. The how for 1999 is still unclear

[feral cape]

Its albretch

Loid pins it all on albretch

[glacial bough]

Entrati set up the initial loop. Presumably were the one that cause it to loop back to the start of the yer

[limber topaz]

So void entity wally is made by albretch?

[feral cape]

Maybe

[glacial bough]

Maybe

[tall echo]

Maybe

[glacial bough]

Wally himself is the only one that could give a straight answer

[limber topaz]

Just like how drifter made duviri arbrect made wally

[feral cape]

Loid says that both the loop and our sight of temporal injection being shifted is albretchs interference no doubt

[limber topaz]

Temporal what

[feral cape]

Injection

[stiff fable]

Thrax is the Drifter's childhood toy, based on the character from the book

[feral cape]

When we get sent to

[limber topaz]

Pleaese elaborate on this temporal injection thing

[feral cape]

Its when we're sent to

Thats the site of temporal injection

Its the Jan 1st 1999

[limber topaz]

Oh

So the coffin that loid hammered with albretch inside is time machine

[feral cape]

Yes

[limber topaz]

Oh, so if we kill albretch can we also get rid of wally

Because of wally made by albretch then the removal the arbrect can erase existence of wally

[limber pulsar]

there is nothing suggesting that

[feral cape]

Killing the guy who made my house doesn't unmake my house

[limber topaz]

Then we gota make another wally to keep this one in check

[tall echo]

On it

[limber topaz]

Hey yeah, so that's what those big statues in deimos are for

[fathom elbow]

Did both the drifter and the operator make the deal or just the drifter
Because i always thought that the original child did it then the timelines and wally just killed every instance except the two

[obtuse vine]

nothing wrong could possibly happen

[obtuse vine]

new entries states that it was always one timeline tht then splits into 2 timelines when the deal was made in TNW. the handshake in TNW is not the same handshake as the original zariman handshake

[stiff fable]

Both made the deal, Wally just "exact words" the Drifter

[limber topaz]

They would be entangled in an endless battle

[obtuse vine]

source: ballas entry on the pom2 recap

[obtuse vine]

or theyd team up and we're fcked

[limber topaz]

They are too egoistic to team up

[obtuse vine]

considering we saw two of em at the end of WITW, id say its not impossible

for them to team up

also wally so far isnt like ballas, they're motivation doesnt seem to be ego driven

[vast remnant]

Wally is basically malicious compliant rules lawyer

[stiff fable]

but only in nonstandard timelines

[tall echo]

Wally can split himself

[tall echo]

The exact purpose of the vessels is unknown afaik

[restive river]

To fight Wally, we just dont know how

[feral cape]

I swear if we beat the metaphysical incomprehensible horror by punching it I'm blowing up de

[restive river]

Nah, we’ll do it with love

Like not only have we seen and been told it but now we have the closest allies we’ve ever had

[lean garden]

Sometimes love is a fist (a magistar shaped fist)

[restive river]

||btw we’re going to Tau||

[lean garden]

Reb you flipping liar

[restive river]

[lean garden]

"No plans for tau" well now you do

[restive river]

SHES SO SMUG RN LMAO

[lean garden]

Oh my God it makes sense

We end as we began

[restive river]

LOL

[lean garden]

It all began with wanderlust, the desire to reach distant stars

It will end there too

[restive river]

I think we’ll go there not next year but the year after tbh

[restive river]

Well the void arc will end there

Which. Actually, what would be next?

Cause Parvos is on the table ig but what else?

[proper barn]

I DONT KNOW STILL

also this can still be far off.

[restive river]

How do you not know still?

This is confirmation that’s where he’s going

[proper barn]

Cuz like what if he isn't going there though

But probably also she said not soon if i remember.

[restive river]

I think our next plan of action is figure out how to unplug the Zariman safely and utilize Yonta’s info

[restive river]

Easily could have been lying lol

[proper barn]

i mean sure

[humble sierra]

If we’re going to know what the future holds, we’ll know at Tennocon for sure

[restive river]

Signs point to Tau as our next major destination

[humble sierra]

Taunocon, if you will

[restive river]

Oh def

Again I doubt we’ll be going next year

[humble sierra]

This will also be the 10th-noCon

I want Tau to be a whole system, at least start off the size of Lua’s nodes

And I know they’re against it but this is a neat time for actual alien life, at least flora if not fauna

[restive river]

I’d prefer they not do that

Like
Tau has the sentients, how they’ve changed in the past 1k years is alien enough

Please no actual aliens in Warframe

[humble sierra]

Good point

[latent moon]

I wonder what the canon frames for operator and drifter are? I'm sure there aren't any really, but what frame would the Yin, Yinyang, and Yang choice operators most likely choose? And would Drifter main Kullervo? Or someone else?

Just a little brain teaser I guess

[lean garden]

We have a single excal umbra thats one, anything else is up to the air

[latent moon]

Yeah I know, I'm more askin like, personally what makes the most sense to y'all?

Speaking of Umbra, what was he doing during New War???

[lean garden]

who knows

[latent moon]

I do find it funny that Umbra sometimes just walks around the ship

[sharp acorn]

Yeah I imagine it's times when we're off on a mission or otherwise not on the ship so Umbra stands guard to protect Ordis

[latent moon]

Ooooh, that's cute :)

[sharp acorn]

I was chatting with the hex in 1999 and saw multiple dialogue options referencing a sibling of our Tenno/ Drifter. I don't remember seeing anything about us having a sibling, did I miss something?

[glacial bough]

It's a possible option to establish for your Drifter

[latent moon]

It's Dominus Thrax

[glacial bough]

You can just as easily say you're an only child, which I'm gonna take when I get the prompt

It's not Thrax, Thrax is a pure CE

[latent moon]

CE?

[humble sierra]

Conceptual Embodiment

[sharp acorn]

Pretty sure we just conceptual embodimented him into existence

[humble sierra]

Void Creation

Thrax was more of an imaginary friend than a sibling

[latent moon]

Yeah but he's the void equivalent of our sibling. Like the Holdfasts, or the Warden/Ballas

[humble sierra]

A reflection of all the other kids on the Zariman that the Drifter would never see again, not specifically a sibling