gameplay-discussion

[worthy comet]

My valk has 3 purples for crit damage and the other two are flex slots for parkour/starting energy

[umbral fulcrum]

dagath ivara are frames

[ember pebble]

oh you mean warframes?

[umbral fulcrum]

you do war with them yk

[ember pebble]

what

[silver breach]

everything that you can level; Warframes, companions, weapons, intrinsics, archwings, archguns, archmelees, necramechs etc etc etc all contribute to your Mastery Rank

[ember pebble]

do war?? wich war

[silver breach]

"war within"

[umbral fulcrum]

ugh yer new so imma not answer further for spoiler reasons... do progress

[ember pebble]

oh the uuh archwing its the only thing i don't even reach to level up as well i can't mostly use it

[silver breach]

just keep getting new gear in general so you can progress your MR

buy everything that you can buy in the market (with credits please)

and craft as many of them as possible

level them up to max

[ember pebble]

oh well imam find how to unstuck my self from the gear i have

[silver breach]

if you have a Clan (basically a guild) you can get a bunch more gear and warframes from there too

[ember pebble]

idk got liek 4 primes, a lot of systems and chest to do too and am making nekros rn

rn am building garagata too

on my hands got gorgon and gammacor, broken war doesn't count its maestry 10

idk how am even able to use it

[worthy comet]

Is that another way of saying grakata

[dusk sage]

Should I use “galvanized reflex” on Valkyr for her heavy attack (more damage and heavy efficiency) IF i don’t use it as often?

[worthy comet]

Or gara the warframe

[ember pebble]

misspelled

garakata i meant

[worthy comet]

Depends, are you using wrathful advance?

[ember pebble]

am too clsoe for craft venato prime jsut left rank and the blade idk if thats good

[dusk sage]

Nope, back when I did ask about my build saying I already have road and should I try out wrathful or eclipse I was informed if I have roar only prioritize that

[ember pebble]

in all that way am till trying get an intesify mod

[worthy comet]

I mean for valkyr I feel like there are better options than roar

But it'd depend, if you got lots of status damage on your claws I could probably see it working?

Anyways if you use heavy attacks a lot then reflex is a solid pick

[keen lintel]

we all know the best subsume for a melee frame

[worthy comet]

Yes
Lycaths hunt or warcry

[placid turtle]

Just the mod, or leveled up? Or space for it?

[floral osprey]

just to add my 2 cents, if you already have a ton of crit chance you dont need wrathful tbh and roar can do better especially if your doing DoTs for multiplicative modding assuming your not using bane mods, wrathful is good because either you can use it to substitute crit chance mods on your build or add on top of, as well as you can also do stuff like nourish for putting viral on your attacks + whatever else is modded and energy, or lycanths hunt and equilibrium if your really having energy problems. end of the day there is not really a "right" answer for best subsume on valk as your alrdy hit into the millions base without a subsume which for just about all the content in the game is more than enough

[placid turtle]

I've definitely got spares

[keen lintel]

https://tenor.com/view/ultaston-chokunaston-aston-aston-lv-aston-ratiphat-gif-15120256408747489746

[floral osprey]

warframe players when it comes to reading the entire wiki page to eek out 1 more damage vs a run on sentence

ive read up on formulas and probability calculations just to math stuff out but god forbid i be asked to read more then 2 sentences 😔

[silver breach]

clearly Shock with Shock trooper augment for melee influence

[lofty garden]

warframe needs a tablet edition. the only thing on the tablet is a cached copy of the wiki.

[daring parrot]

What kind/brand of tablet

[lofty garden]

Definitely DE-branded. Maybe one of those Canadian Kobo readers.

[placid turtle]

Is that not coming with the Android release?

[lofty garden]

what, like a DS-style dual screen? nah, they just need to sell an electronic version of the wiki for people to second screen with

[daring parrot]

I'm confused what you are talking about then ngl

[fair ibex]

I wann abe using a "drop livecell" potency mod i assume?

[still wyvern]

not really, the 10% drop chance is pretty low, some people recommend just using the affinity and credits noes for the higher antivirus %

[deft flume]

I used to be a valkyr main and i came back after years, the new rework is what ever i hate it but ok, but i'm having a problem; the corpus nullifier bubble no longer get broke easily with melee. Back in the day taking care of the range was enough, but now only sometimes they get reduce, 90% they just ignore it; ¿is there any way around more than be force to shoot? Is so annoying. The changes are so annoying

[worthy comet]

Was pre rework valkyr really that much better?

[deft flume]

Yup. I don't feel a single improve everything feel like a nerf. But the nullify thing is what is driving my crazy; back in the day you could deal with it having good spacing, now it just don't work

[still wyvern]

even ripline?

[deft flume]

I only use the ripline to keep the arcane up

[worthy comet]

It's great for grouping now

[still wyvern]

and is even a useable movement ability

[deft flume]

i have heard that a couple times, but i don't get it, valkyr grouping was never a problem i mean with a single slash you kill everything; what's the grouping for?

[unreal ruin]

I am kinda stuck on this part

need a bit of help

[still wyvern]

the grouping is to get more everything

[unreal ruin]

like when I get close to it and shoot theres a shuild or barrier

and idk how to close that barrier

[worthy comet]

With enough range you can nab enemies out of reach

[still wyvern]

you gotta use the forward artillery from one of your gun turrets, shooting it from the pilot's chair don't work

[unreal ruin]

OHHH

i didnt know it was called forward artillery

mb thanks dude

[worthy comet]

Specifically the tunguska cannon right behind the pilot seat

[deft flume]

but you would build range only for that? that's so pointless i never felt "oh, i would love to be available to group enemies with my valkyr." like wtf, valkyr clean so fast and in such a wide range that the enemies don't even have time to react

[still wyvern]

having more enemies closer to you is a guaranteed way to kill more enemies faster

[keen lintel]

Nah. Post work Valkyr hits better numbers. U can take her to lvl cap without weapons

[worthy comet]

Plus moving from one group to the next with a single press is pretty convenient

[deft flume]

okay i got enough i can't read this amount of nonesense xD im out

[worthy comet]

Ok

[floral osprey]

that was less then my run on sentence XD

[keen lintel]

I became Valkyr main after rework. Before was ok-ish

[worthy comet]

Tbh I've seen a lot of videos criticizing the valk rework and I could never understand the sentiments no matter what I watched

[glossy violet]

the only person on earth who thinks the rework was a nerf

[keen lintel]

Everyone is entitled to an opinion. Even wrong ones

[grizzled reef]

Hello, so I just got a forma and affinity booster from a weird ring-like sculpture in zariman how do I use the affinity booster?

[glossy violet]

you dont like the free 300% melee damage? zamn. have fun with your knockdown resist that loses out to psf i guess

[floral osprey]

from my understanding of valkyr is they really only improved her, made her 3 actually usable and not mess with shields, the 2 is recastable, the 4 has beter energy ecconemy stuff and while it doesnt directly make you imortal they moved that to the passive which as long as you can kill stuff you basically cant die + arcane persistence means your able to health tank + heal from 4, and the 1 got major improvements

[worthy comet]

Like, it sounded like a mixture of "these are pointless changes" and "this doesn't count as a rework" and "this goes against what I played valkyr for"

[keen lintel]

not his fault. Probably his time of the month

[worthy comet]

And I'm like how do those arguments make sense 😂

[keen lintel]

https://tenor.com/view/we-dont-do-that-here-black-panther-tchalla-bruce-gif-16558003

[floral osprey]

like if you were a die hard valkyr fan of her playstyle pre rework then i can see why it might not be enjoyable but last i recall there werent any nulifier shadow buffs specifically for valkyr + trying to melee nulifier bubbles is kinda just playing in fire to begin with

[fair ibex]

how do i send her mssg ? if i click on the send mssg everyone is offline? i dont wanna miss her birthday!

[keen lintel]

Post rework Valkyr feels snappy. Can’t wait for Nyx rework in 6 yrs and same people crying again

[worthy comet]

Click the bubble

[glossy violet]

are you opening this from the pom garage pc or backrooms?

[fair ibex]

yeah i did that 🙂 everyone is offline

[fair ibex]

from the garage

[glossy violet]

open it from the backrooms. pom garage is only for missions

[fair ibex]

ahh ok ty ❤️

[floral osprey]

all i recall was that the only notable concern about valkyr was her ability to maintain her immortality which led to the whole healthtank debate/talk to arcane persistence

anyone who complained about litterely anything else of her kit was complaining about legitamitly direct upgrades

[worthy comet]

Even though as long as you're killing things you can't die anyways?

[umbral fulcrum]

does stug have incarnon? :V

[floral osprey]

and the only reason the immortalty was notable was because she was used for level cap and people were concerned that they would no longer be able to go to level cap with her

[floral osprey]

unfortunatly not 😔

[umbral fulcrum]

T_T

[floral osprey]

yes but when it takes all of 1 bullet to kill you it doesnt matter how hard you kill if 1 stray bullet knocks you out

arcane persistence and her current immortality make that not a problem any more tho

[worthy comet]

I also really feel like people forget this game isn't designed around level cap at all and at that point it's on you to figure shit out

[keen lintel]

Ye

[floral osprey]

it isnt, but at the same time your gona piss people off by telling them "your opinion doesnt matter because your a minority of the player base"

so its a game of how much can you do to make the people who want to keep going to level cap happy while also not making it egregiously over bearing for everyone else

[keen lintel]

ATP Valkyr dominates EDA/ETA lvls of content. Surprised DE didn’t nerf her passive. It’s literally slap in the face to most passives in the game. Including Excal which is so freaking tiny

[umbral fulcrum]

eda eta?

[floral osprey]

imop i think its perfectly fine as it is right now, her passive rewards playing the game vs her old immortality which was as long as you had energy you were fine and if you were close to running out you ran into a hidey hole and then go recast it again

[keen lintel]

U shall know soon

[umbral fulcrum]

brev just say what the acronims are ffs -_-"

[keen lintel]

https://tenor.com/view/haha-gumichan-bird-no-laughing-gif-5128531988218293677

[floral osprey]

archamedia game modes, the current "end game" of warframe, enemies are level 500ish and there are restrictions on your loadouts such as which frames and weapons you can bring and negative modifiers for each mission and that persist for all the missions for the archamedia (each one is a set of 3 that resets each week)

[keen lintel]

It’s more dramatic when u find out yourself

[umbral fulcrum]

ah hexis stuff

[fair ibex]

i just got my first archon shard but its bonus is somewhat lackluster for what i want ( blue shard ) should i save it to combine for a violet one later?

[floral osprey]

cavia and hexis

[keen lintel]

Keep accumulating

[floral osprey]

^

at a certain point you have more than youll know what to do with

[fair ibex]

yeah ok, i think 150 max somehting is gonna do much for me atm

isnt*

[floral osprey]

just a matter of doing the archamedias

[fair ibex]

i got it from calander rewards 🙂

[keen lintel]

every week

[floral osprey]

that works as well

you can also buy one from bird 3 every week + archon hunts

[fair ibex]

yeah i need r5 for birds purchase

[umbral fulcrum]

sounds good on paper, but too damn lazy to lvl up anuda syndicate ._ .

[fair ibex]

and i dont think im ready for hunts yet

[worthy comet]

Netracells too

[fair ibex]

netra cell just looks gross all round tbh lol

[floral osprey]

get the laetum and youll have a great time :)

[fair ibex]

every thing ive read on it is people moaning

[umbral fulcrum]

netracells are easy, if u have teammates that know u gotta stay in that DAMN CIRCLE CJ

[keen lintel]

U r. Most players can handle hunts

[floral osprey]

netracells make me fall asleep

[keen lintel]

Let them do the work

[fair ibex]

ok mb ill try them 🙂 ive been having fun in arbitrations trbh

[floral osprey]

half the time i forget to do the weekly netracell cuz the 1 yellow shard is not worth anything for me at this point

[keen lintel]

Best way to level up stuff

[umbral fulcrum]

arbi and void cascades = grofit tho

[fair ibex]

so yeah just keep the blue one usocketed for the moment? i dont wanna spend helminth resorc to remove it

[floral osprey]

nah best way is elite archamedias

[keen lintel]

that’s illegal

[fair ibex]

arbis are the first thing ive done where people sort of have to stick together etc

[floral osprey]

took my rank 0 trinity in there like last week, dont think i even went down and had all the modifiers n everything

[keen lintel]

Trinity shines in that game mode. Like she is top 10 for EDA & ETA

[floral osprey]

tbf when i say rank 0, its rank 0 with a bunch of forma and mr 30 so dont need to rank for capacity but thats aside the point

im prty sure i only use trinity in archamedias and the off chance i need to do eidilon hunting

[keen lintel]

Everyone loves a Trinity during those modes. Like Dante & Styanax

[umbral fulcrum]

is nice to see trinity bein loved again

[floral osprey]

tbf, considering the list of frames i have built is longer then the list of frames i have that arent built not to crazy that its not all that difficult

[umbral fulcrum]

rip raids bless trin days 🙁

[floral osprey]

when i get the option my go to choice of frames rn is like dante or wisp if my team needs support or nova or chroma if im just gona chill

same for archamedias, hitting negative numbers with the xoris is so fun

[umbral fulcrum]

in deep archi do u have to deal with apex tank mode? -w-

[placid turtle]

No

It's not steel path I think

And the Apex is also an optional boss that you have to manually activate

[floral osprey]

its not steel path

[umbral fulcrum]

good then. I am sick of that tank tossing me arround like a ragdoll... fkin rajang from mwh:ib vibes

[floral osprey]

apex tank is optional hard mode boss that can only be activated on sp

tank fight does get some buffs in the archmidias more often then not but you can equip a peely pix that at max rank gives you a free rpg every minute which makes the fight prty generically easy

[umbral fulcrum]

tank itself aint bad... he doesnt chase you like a monke in heat

[floral osprey]

it could just be the trama response from trying to do the tank before i got the hang of it but lazy gate and vazarin plus a laetum and sampotes make the fight super easy

[glossy violet]

why a laetum?

[floral osprey]

really easy to pop the weak spots in first phase

[glossy violet]

i gotta get rid of the tank soon for sumdali

[glossy violet]

worse than, say, knell?

[floral osprey]

incarnon mode just explodes the weakpoints basically as soon as they hit

[glossy violet]

oh i see

[daring sparrow]

guys, what are some effective credit farms, im almost run out of credit

[glossy violet]

techrot caches or pt or index

[floral osprey]

its for apex tank so idk how good or bad the knell is when it comes to that but the aoe can pop the weakpoints i belive so you can kinda just spray and pray and pop all the spots super quick

[daring sparrow]

what is pt?

[glossy violet]

then your closest bet is likely the Index at neptune

profit taker rewards 100? 200?k per run

but you need r5 fortuna for that

[floral osprey]

index with a credit booster, 2 rounds and you get 1 mill iirc

[silver breach]

PT is "Profit Taker"

[oblique sequoia]

Finally finished my second ever ETA

[floral osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/congratulations-congrats-good-job-well-done-good-gif-5695465315633224766

[idle fossil]

i need to.. my options are kinda lame

[fair ibex]

so i killed my technocyte - do i have to do this multiple times? i got the right antivirus etc and got my heartcell but his not vanquished

[glossy violet]

got one heartcell or 12-15?

[fair ibex]

i juist got the 1

[glossy violet]

thats just a potency mod, you gotta keep doing it

[idle fossil]

you stabbed it right? did you see the bar building for cleansing it?

[glossy violet]

think liches

[fair ibex]

yeah ive got the right AV

[unreal ruin]

why is my operator so oily lmfao

[glossy violet]

do it until the disinfection bar fills up (can check this in pause menu -> green coda logo) and then he'll run to space

[oblique sequoia]

When the bar fills up fully green is when the showdown happens

[fair ibex]

ahh ok

[idle fossil]

yeah youll hit him a couple times till hes 100%, then theyll escape to space like a regular lich

[unreal ruin]

DONE WITH THE NEW WAR

[fair ibex]

so i dont really want a potency that reduces infection?

[oblique sequoia]

You'll get there faster with Potency Mods

[glossy violet]

lol my friend has this bug too. lotus is also oily

[unreal ruin]

yeah lotus is oily as well

[idle fossil]

theres a potency that reduces the bar? eh?

[glossy violet]

potency increases disinfection level, you want this

[unreal ruin]

my graphics also looks shit

[unreal ruin]

idk why tho everything is on high

[oblique sequoia]

No

[fair ibex]

oh its increasing it

[glossy violet]

yes, it fills up the green bar faster @fair ibex

[fair ibex]

lol sorry 🙁

[oblique sequoia]

Nah, it's ok

[idle fossil]

oh yeah no worries lol

[glossy violet]

all g

[idle fossil]

i was very confused a moment

[oblique sequoia]

No potency just means the bar fills slower

[fair ibex]

yeah i have 2 potencys a 10 and 15%

[oblique sequoia]

Nice

[idle fossil]

that works, just keep hitting them til the bar gets to 100%

it takes a few meetings

[fair ibex]

i really love the whole 1999 stuff its so crazy

[idle fossil]

then the game will notify you of their escape

[oblique sequoia]

Be sure to check when you've exhausted them, btw. They lose one level per stab (potency)

[glossy violet]

its convenient! only one requiem and none of that thrall killing nonsense LOL

[fair ibex]

is that the red dots at the bottom?

[oblique sequoia]

Yep

Just replace them when they're empty

[fair ibex]

yeah , its a way better system than the liches fr

[oblique sequoia]

Ikr

Much more straightforward

[fair ibex]

and it didnt take long to get all my avs either just knocking out the bounties while grinding standing

[oblique sequoia]

Your real enemy with Antivirus Mods is the RNG, truly

[fair ibex]

yeah i had a few that didnt drop for a bit but i needed the standing anyways so *shru

[oblique sequoia]

And I'm also happy that you can try to stab your Coda with 3 Antivirus Mods equipped. Makes it faster to know the correct one

[fair ibex]

yeah

[idle fossil]

i forgot to swap back to the three after my last coda and lucked out and they were the same one

[oblique sequoia]

Lol

[fair ibex]

😄

and i use these to buy a coda weapon right?

[oblique sequoia]

Yep

10 heartcells per weapon

[fair ibex]

have to do some resheach to find a good wep/frame combo

[idle fossil]

eleanor has 3 50% weapons right now

[oblique sequoia]

I think I have 50 heartcells rn

[still wyvern]

profit taker

[oblique sequoia]

Which ones?

[valid jungle]

Are there any boosts to get more debt bonds?

[oblique sequoia]

If one of them is the Hirudo, I'm grabbing that no questions

[oblique sequoia]

I'm not entirely sure if resource boosters double pickups for bonds

[idle fossil]

Mire, Torxica and Sporothrix

[vast pike]

anyone know if theres a way to give your sentinals like helios etc a nickname? or is it only beasts hounds and moas

[floral osprey]

torxica and sporothrix are both very fun weapons

[idle fossil]

im grabbing the mire since i already have one, thatll put me to 60

wanna get a sporothrix, it looks fun yeah

[fair ibex]

i could get these for my ember? or would she just be better of with that flame beam atphos or w/e its caleld

[oblique sequoia]

Is there at least a Motovore in there? I wanna level the element bonus on mine

[idle fossil]

its there.. only 25.2% though

[oblique sequoia]

That's not gonna boost my element that much

[vast pike]

5 percents better then no percent though

[oblique sequoia]

Oh well... I'll look again when the shop refreshes

[unreal ruin]

damn is there a way I can build my nataruk for more aoe stuff?

[oblique sequoia]

Fulmination?

[idle fossil]

hmm, do i want a heat one or an elec one

[floral osprey]

eletric

[unreal ruin]

uhh whats that

[vast pike]

buy a elemental vice and swap to both when u feel like

[floral osprey]

*for the nataruk

[oblique sequoia]

That's true, I suppose. But I don't wanna spend my heartcells willy nilly XD

[idle fossil]

havent clicked yet, glad i read that 😄

[vast pike]

i wouldnt want to listen to that one song again either loool

[floral osprey]

i think i recall heating smthn about influince but tbh idk at all

[unreal ruin]

current build

[floral osprey]

take off thunderbolt, tbh, put on multishot

[oblique sequoia]

See, I actually like Party of Your Lifetime. I just don't wanna do any Liches rn XD

[idle fossil]

i forgot that lets you swap at will

[unreal ruin]

oof dont have it

I'll go try get one then

[floral osprey]

no split chamber but thunderbolt 💀

[vast pike]

i done so many liches so close together i hear that song and its like torture lol

[unreal ruin]

ikr dude I still dont have a multishot mod

only one for a shotgun

[vast pike]

best part about them literally making the element not matter only the elemental percentage really

[fair ibex]

hmm the mire gets turned into a gas weapon tho 🙁

[unreal ruin]

maybe I can get the galvanized multishot one

I have arbritations unlocked afterall

[vast pike]

gas is goated element

[floral osprey]

oh, then 100% you want atleast galv chamber and the crit chance galv mod for the nataruk

[daring parrot]

Fart proc

[unreal ruin]

alrighty

[floral osprey]

galv scope makes the nataruk do like red crits when you pop a few heads

[fair ibex]

i dont really wanna chose a weapon that is not one of the 50% ones right?

[unreal ruin]

damnnn

[vast pike]

nataruk can do red crits with very lil help u could almost red off vital sense alone ngl

[idle fossil]

you can choose any you want. the 50% are just that much closer to the max of 60% and take less effort to get there

[floral osprey]

wrong crit mod 💀

[fair ibex]

looking through some suggestions for a wep/frame combo so i dont just have a random wep with no1 to use it with 😄

[vast pike]

my point being it can red crit without galvinised itll carry u through all steel path and can on fully regular duviri defaulted loadout

[idle fossil]

i collect them like pokemon, might not use it for someone specific right now, but itll be there when i wanna grab it 😄

[vast pike]

crit delay will give u red crits

[fair ibex]

hahah

[floral osprey]

something something uh red damage numbers > non red damage numbers obv

[vast pike]

vital sence can go on naturuk too

[floral osprey]

oh ofc, no point in modding crit chance withoult some form of crit damage, just vital sense doesnt make the numbers red

[vast pike]

crit delay will galv scope only makes headshot numbers red also

u looking for stacks to go into deep reds while its already on reds

[floral osprey]

prty sure galv scope requires head shots to get the procs but gives more crit chance then critical delay

[vast pike]

yea it does

[floral osprey]

the more ! the more it uses the crit dmg

so imop for the same slot and a little more effort you can get more damage

[vast pike]

meh not really 3x crit damage is 3x crit damage

u can only go so high in this gae till u hit a cap

game*

[floral osprey]

i mean 3x crit dmg times 4 vs 3 is quite different

[vast pike]

but laetum runs no crit n one of best weapons in game damage is damage red or white

crit only changes the colour tbf

u can bulk 2.147 billion on a flat hit no crit required

[floral osprey]

yea... cuz it has an evo that makes it do smth like what is it again? like 1000% more dmg or smthn?

[vast pike]

u can also crit off combos etc

[floral osprey]

it just maths out that for the laetum that it procs enough to be worth taking it vs not, plus ignoring crit in favoure of stacking base damage is just ignoring free multiplicative damage

atleast for most weapons

[vast pike]

crit chance doesnt necisserally boost ur damage it boosts your chance to hit that crit damage multiplier if ur weapons strong enough that becomes irrelevant especially now with no damage attentuation

laetum is the walking example of flat damage over crit

u could do it t stug if it was good enough lol

[floral osprey]

i mean crit chance does boost your damage significantly, it doesnt matter how high your crit damage is if you never crit, and for every crit tier you just multiply the crit damage by that much more

[vast pike]

meh yay n nay

what if i=u only have a 1.2x crit

[floral osprey]

ive hit like 8 mill red crit with the stug, im not even joking

[vast pike]

bane mods will beat that

some weapons are better in straight flat damage where stuff is dead before crit needs a chance to have a chance

something like acceltra relys on crit in sp but naturuk can be used like a felarx

its all down to prefrence though

[vast pike]

also ggs on millis on stug boss moves right there

[idle fossil]

cant hit the gold on valk chassis.. hit it twice trying to get garudas silver drop -_-

[distant robin]

Also Can we reply The Old Peace quest because I love the quest

[oblique sequoia]

In the future

[floral osprey]

ok, look, galv scope is a 320% increase vs 200% from critical delay, smthn like a difference between 252 crit chance and 180 crit cahnce and vital sense bumps the crit damage up to 5.3x on perfect shot

the red crit tier results in a possible 15.9x crit damage buff while the orange from critical delay is a max of 10.6x, nataruk has some NUTTY crit stuff and you are actively hampering yourself by ignoring it. it does also have very good status chance which is why you dont want to ignore it either, especially because it does good status and crit you can effectively cause all the mods to work multiplicitively in its damage to get it to spit out some very strong numbers

there are 100% weapons that cant make use of their crit chance or crit damage and in those cases ignoring the crit is 100% worth it but the nataruk is not one of those weapons where you should be ignoring it

[unreal ruin]

is this good? got it through arbi

[floral osprey]

ill have to revisit the crit laetum stuff especialy since secondary envervate exists but none the less stuff like the felarx and laetum are super good because of either the incarnon evo for this, or the fact that primary crux stacks additively with the felarx's 5th tier ammo efficiency and belive it or not, infinite bullet does more damage then like anything else

[unreal ruin]

wtf is this arcane

[floral osprey]

also thankyou, praying for the day we get the stug incarnon and then i can stug all over the place and ahnialate wally

[unreal ruin]

oooh missing 8 vitus essence

[floral osprey]

if you have nothing better then its definetly worth putting it on if you can

[unreal ruin]

yeah thats my first arcane lol

[floral osprey]

also just so yall can see as well

[grizzled reef]

What is the best zariman incarnon weapon?

[floral osprey]

tbh, its not great as far as arcanes go, a arcane is almost always better then no arcanes, but the zaramin and cavia have some very good arcanes that i would reccomend getting and using

[floral osprey]

the incarnon ones

in a less sarcastic note, laetum is probably the generically best imop

[unreal ruin]

havent gotten to zariman yet just finished new war lol

[grizzled reef]

Ohh, what do you think about phenmor or felarx?

[floral osprey]

felarx and phenmor are both good primaries, the predos is a good melee, and the innodem....... is a melee

[grizzled reef]

Cant max evolve phenmor yet I need to have an incarnon melee but to craft them I need lots of entrati lanthorn which I dont know where to find efficiently

[floral osprey]

its like the very next quest after new war/divuri paradox

[floral osprey]

entrati labs they drop a ton, i forget which mission is best for them tho

[grizzled reef]

Ahh, how do you start a netracell quest?

[floral osprey]

talk to tagfer

[grizzled reef]

I see alot of ppl do netracell farms but ive never played this before since I just kinda returned, what do people farm this for and do I need anything before I start?

[floral osprey]

you have 5 netra cell charges a week, there are 2 other hard-er modes that use 2 each being temporal and deep archamedia, the reason why people do them is because you get a lot of archon shards as well as you can get some prty good arcanes from temporal (temporal is 1999, deep is cavia)

[sullen sleet]

i stg

[floral osprey]

they all collectively share some common traits in debuffing the player(s) in some way to try to make the content harder in addition to higher enemy levels, netracells are by far easier because theres a total of 4 debuffs that can be put all on 1 person if they want to and then its just doing a mission prty much with high level enemies (if you can handel early sp it should be about similar in terms of dificulty) and archamedias (the other things that take netracell charges) are much harder at around level 500-575ish and applying debeuffs to the players and buffing the enemies

[sullen sleet]

they NEED to add death recaps to this game

wth did i get killed by

90% of the time i dont know

[floral osprey]

stray bullet or toxin :)

[sullen sleet]

i get ONE SHOT

[floral osprey]

that or blame the non existent radiation stacks on your randoms causing them to nuke you

what frame are you playing?

[sullen sleet]

gyre

[floral osprey]

oh, then its toxin

or health leech

[sullen sleet]

i was in descendia and it was infested

[floral osprey]

infested can spawn with both of those eximus as well as some infested can also just do toxin damage

[sullen sleet]

i got in operator form because it was frictionless so i can actually move and the moment i transfered back i died

it didnt even give me the option to last gasp

[glossy violet]

non elite DA is lv 500?

[floral osprey]

i forget which abilities count but abilities that are channeled abilities will cause your warframe to not become immune to damage, also i forget if stacks can still be applied to warframes even if your not in them regardless of channel ability or not

[unreal ruin]

whats the diff between galvanized chamber and diffusion? it seems diffusion has higher multishot chance

[floral osprey]

non elite is 250-275, icl i dont touch non elite any more

[sullen sleet]

different weapon types

[floral osprey]

one is for rifles/primaries the other is secondaries

[unreal ruin]

oh mb didnt notice it

I think I can use this build but ofc replace some parts and use alternatives

[floral osprey]

swap out HM and heavy caliber tbh

[wheat mirage]

Would it be too brutal of a nerf to Hildryn to make it where Aegis Gale’s bonus damage scale solely off of shields? And this is assuming DE even decides to nerf Hildryn

[floral osprey]

put on rifle elementalist and either heat or electric

[wheat mirage]

I don’t want her nerfed, I just don’t know if other people, particularly content creators, feel the same way

[unreal ruin]

alrighty thanks for the advice dude

[floral osprey]

id have to double check but i also recall galvanized apptitude being multiplicitive with base damage and primary dead head is much better for the nataruk than merciless imop

[lyric lotus]

[floral osprey]

yea it is, 100% put galvanized aptitude on that

[floral osprey]

smthn like this would be MUCH better then that build. (i would reccomend galv scope over critical delay, and as for shred vs speed trigger, just do whatever makes it easiest for you to get perfect shots quickly and repeatedly)

long story short, slash (hunter munitions) is not as good any more because it basically got shadow nerferd in jade shadows update because it excells at killing enemies with super high armour and low hp and the made armour not as hard to deal with and beefed up enemy hp prty significantly, rifle elementalist will make eletric, heat, or any other damage over time affect do more damage, and the rest is basically tons of damage

[sullen sleet]

gdmi

[floral osprey]

punchthrough doesnt matter on the nataruk cuz it has infinite body punchthrough aka it will pierce infinite numbers of enemies

[unreal ruin]

the drop chances for rifle elementalist looks quite bad ngl

233 🗿

[floral osprey]

i have a spare i can give you

[unreal ruin]

really?

[floral osprey]

yuh

[unreal ruin]

my ign is JustaTurtle_21#408

[jovial solstice]

btw, looks like you're on the shit wiki.

Here's the real page for that mod: https://wiki.warframe.com/w/Rifle_Elementalist
-# (though the drop locations haven't changed in the time since the migration)

[unreal ruin]

ohh

yeah was confused why the wiki theme changes

[rugged shore]

Holy throwback munitions build

[sullen sleet]

Remember when vigilante armaments was a good filler

Remember when we had filler mods in general

[rugged shore]

Eh modding now probably has more variety than old wf

[unreal ruin]

have a question

is electricity better than heat?

[floral osprey]

depends

[unreal ruin]

depends on the faction?

[jovial solstice]

Electricity is more versatile at least.

[floral osprey]

electricity does better aoe, heat does better single target prty much + partial armour strip

[sullen sleet]

Without armour heat is useless

Unless you wanna use heat inherit

[floral osprey]

heat stacks are nothing to scoff at tho

[daring parrot]

some corpus enemies have armor too

[daring parrot]

True

[sullen sleet]

Electricity is more versatile

[floral osprey]

something something i use viral heat and if the enemies dont die first then i die

[sullen sleet]

It gives you aoe too

[floral osprey]

on the nataruk tho if you want aoe use electricity

[sullen sleet]

Yeah

[unreal ruin]

alrighty

[sullen sleet]

I think nataruk also scales with aptitude

[floral osprey]

it does

[sullen sleet]

Because the projectile itself is PHAT

[unreal ruin]

build for now then

I am gonna replace split chamber with galvanized

[floral osprey]

tldr, galvanized aptitude counts as basically another source of multiplicitive damage with base damage for the nataruk

[sullen sleet]

Only multiplicative with projectiles

Which nataruk is

God why TF is aptitude so convoluted

[unreal ruin]

no clue wtf you guys are talking about

[rugged shore]

Depends on what you wanna do with the element really

[floral osprey]

no, if it was projectiles then it would include bullets technically, and like sometimes it does and sometimes it doesnt

[sullen sleet]

Additive with hitscan, multiplicative with projectiles iirc

[floral osprey]

basically mod is really weird and on some weapons will apply a lot more than others so one weapons where it apply more/better you want to use it and base damage but on weapons it doesnt you can use it as a substitute for stuff like serration and the sort

[rugged shore]

Except bows

Because warframe is spaghetti

Bows are not multi co

[floral osprey]

nataruk is

[rugged shore]

Not on the list in wiki then?

[floral osprey]

i legit pulled it up on the wiki like all of a few minutes ago

[sullen sleet]

They should put like 5 asterisks on the frickin mod description

[rugged shore]

Huh I missed it you're right

[floral osprey]

when in doubt go to the condition overload mechanic wiki page
https://wiki.warframe.com/w/Condition_Overload_(Mechanic)

[rugged shore]

It really is freaking sphagetti

[sullen sleet]

This is why optimal modding is a pain

[rugged shore]

So the other bows are additive and this one is multi? Lmao

[floral osprey]

kinda? addative in base, multi in incarnon

[unreal ruin]

should I replace serration with it?

[floral osprey]

no

[unreal ruin]

alr then

[floral osprey]

not for the nataruk atleast

[rugged shore]

Just replace armaments with aptitude

Or elementalist didn't see it there

[sullen sleet]

Iirc multiplicative = serration + aptitude

Additive = just aptitude

Aoe = just serrstion

[floral osprey]

basically use this build

swap critical delay for galv scope if you want as well but if you dont have it priorotize the other galv mods first

[rugged shore]

Why are you using elementalist on nataruk? Id imagine it kills most things without reliance on a status proc

[sullen sleet]

Real ones use heavy caliber and serration

[floral osprey]

then you never hit your shot 😭

[unreal ruin]

alr thanks again

[floral osprey]

because it only 2 shots my normal target dummies

[unreal ruin]

looks I need to forma for this nataruk build

[sullen sleet]

obv you get more damage

[floral osprey]

yea, mine uses 2

[unreal ruin]

aint much ig

[floral osprey]

the wall isnt your enemy 😭

[sullen sleet]

barriers were meant to be broken

[unreal ruin]

who said he wasnt?

I am a gauss player, I love destroying those walls

[floral osprey]

i mean wally is our enemy, but hes not the wall your gona be fighting with that accuracy

[unreal ruin]

wally is cute af ngl

[sullen sleet]

use aoe :3

[floral osprey]

my aoe removes peoples ability to see when in the same room as me

[unreal ruin]

is primary deadhead a useful arcane?

[red path]

yes

[floral osprey]

yea

[unreal ruin]

it goes for like 1 plat

[red path]

it's just that much common

[pure gulch]

its cheap cus its very easy to get and common

all the acolyte arcanes are like that basically

[floral osprey]

i was seeing if i had spares but i had apparently melted them down recently

[unreal ruin]

nah no probs, I'll just buy it

I am still kinda broke rn have like 50 plat lmfao

[floral osprey]

if its the starting 50 plat you cant trade it

[shy wedge]

you get them by just playing steel path and encountering Acolytes that's why it is very cheap

[unreal ruin]

nuh uh I used them for weapon slots

this 50 I earned by selling a scourge prime barrel

[red path]

it's super useful for precision rifles with some headshot trait, and for reducing recoil passively

[unreal ruin]

and a nekros prime bp

[unreal ruin]

I dont think I'll buy it then

I mean I havent unlocked steelpath yet

[red path]

there is stalker-wannabe called acolytes in steel path, they spawn randomly around every 5 min and drop one of the 6 acolyte arcanes: primary/secondary merciless/deadhead/dexterity

[unreal ruin]

the stalker guy looks mentally insane, who would wanna cosplay as him

[floral osprey]

someone pull out the stalker dad cosplay

https://www.reddit.com/r/Warframe/comments/1m3i446/stalker_dad/

[unreal ruin]

HOLY SHIT

I JUST GOT 160K DAMAGE

[floral osprey]

yea it does that

[unreal ruin]

😭

finally I get to have funny numbers

[red path]

nataruk with new bulwark arcane does some very funny things, like 1-shotting lvl 200 sp grinners

[fair ibex]

bruh this coda fight ><

[red path]

need high armor frame for it though, or health conversion

[dusk sage]

Is it better to do archimedea or netracells?? Or does it not matter

[floral osprey]

archamdias

[red path]

archimedia is better for rewards, but if you struggle, can go with just netracells

[dusk sage]

Noted, cause I’m tryna farm and get more shards

[lament ravine]

Is perfect-throw of glaives actually a thing? No mention on the wiki and honestly not convinced from personal experience.

[floral osprey]

technically? yes

[red path]

even if you don't use all points or don't complete all mission, with just first 2 rewards you get same thing as 2 netracell runs, everthing else is a bonus

[floral osprey]

that would only be when using power throw tho

[red path]

and you can retry archimedia any time once you unlock it

[lament ravine]

As in the mod?

[floral osprey]

its a multiplicitive multiplier with base damage and you have to hold the melee button to get ready to throw it before a glaive returns to you and can get to upwards of a 3x multiplicitive bonus

its not needed for steel path at all but it definetly can help

[red path]

what is this perfect throw thing? first time hearing about it

[lament ravine]

I do that with or without the mod. Buffering throws

[silver breach]

Power throw mod

[floral osprey]

honestly, go look up the video by havoc on thrown weapons, he goes over power throw and how it works, its currently kinda bugged to only show up as a 1x multiplier in the top right but it does still work

its very weird to explain tbh

[red path]

oh, when you get ready next throw while glaive not returned, it's common thing

[lament ravine]

My misconception was that if you release throw your glaive while the reticle is blue, it'll be more powerful than if you just keep charging until it throws

[floral osprey]

yea that ig

[fair ibex]

any tips for the coda fight? 🙁 im avoiding "most" of the stage attacks but in s2 im still getting one shotted by some stuff that i cant seem to figure out what it is

[floral osprey]

revenent and fall asleep cuz you dont need to dodge

[red path]

honestly I don't remember my reticle becoming blue when throwing

[lament ravine]

It's a common element in action games with charge attacks. Release in a certain window and you get a perfect shot/throw/slash

[lament ravine]

Gotta charge fully

Charge your throw

[red path]

there is such thing in this game, with some bows, and a few weapons have perfect reload

[floral osprey]

unless your talking about tennokai which dont work with glaives last i recall

[lament ravine]

That's right. I was under the misconception that glaives had that with the blue reticle

[red path]

I use wind up mods, so it throws glaive automatically when I charge and it's very fast charging

[fair ibex]

having to do the railjackl segment each try is kinda of lame as well 🙁

[lament ravine]

This just means I don't have to worry about overcharging throws. Much more comfy

[floral osprey]

you actually gota a little carful cuz if u throw it to fast you can lose out on combo count from galv reflex

[red path]

glaive p still kills everything

[floral osprey]

glaive prime is old news, coda pathocyst is the new kid on the block

[red path]

I don't think i have that one yet

[fair ibex]

if u have the frame highlighted for arbis should u always take it even if its build isnt very good? or better sticking to something thats a bit more solid

[lyric lotus]

Better stick to your strongest frame in the arsenal

[red path]

stick with solid, the bonus is not that big of a thing

[rugged shore]

Generally unimportant especially if you arent going for a very long endurance run or not on an optimized premade group

[red path]

it's always better if allies won't need to revive you

[fair ibex]

i dont really die anyways dmg reduction on nova is kind of insane

i havent died in one yet at least

[red path]

that is the right course of actions

[fair ibex]

how do we get the revive tokens btw? they are fromt he drones right? but do i need to manually pick them up?

[lyric lotus]

think of this way, if a weapon or a frame is not modded to for doing anythng, the bonuses wont do any better for it either

[fair ibex]

yeah i have a semi decent emeber, but dont have a good wep for her yet and i hjavent played her much is whyt i was wondering

[lament ravine]

Thank yous for your help folks

[red path]

they are from the drones, and you need to walk over them like with index points, they picked up automatically, but vacuum/fetch won't affect them

[floral osprey]

i have smthn like this on the build with progenitor electric, basicaly its just "hey whay if we made glaives that alrdy do milions of damage also put viral on stuff because they need to do even more damage"

[fair ibex]

ahh ok, i just rely on vaccum/fetch normally lol

[red path]

because these points give debuff like index points, it's not picked up automatically

[fair ibex]

yah i saw that, i just felt bad i couldnt rez someone the other day

and no1 else seemed to care they were dead lol

[red path]

you need 5 points total for revive, it can be multiple players to have 5 in total

[fair ibex]

yeah i read that

[unreal ruin]

whats the most expensive plat augment mod I can get from the red veil?

reached rank 5 and can pick a reward

[red path]

pick despoil

don't think there is much plat you can get from redveil mods, it's pretty easy to get in every setup

[rugged shore]

Personally I just buy them when I see someone asking in chat instead of prematurely buying the mods

[red path]

you can also pick some mod you interseted in yourself

like excal umbra augment, very useful

[unreal ruin]

idk if I need one

got shock trooper from another player on mars relay

and maybe I cna pick another volt mod

[unreal ruin]

ooooh good idea

[red path]

despoil is pretty popular I think, since it's very useful for farming and you can't get it with hexis/suda/meridian without maxing redveil

[still nacelle]

After quanta got a tenet, i am a little bit scared to put a potato on stahlta

[unreal ruin]

weird dont see trade chat

[unreal ruin]

ooooh

yeah despoil looks noice as well

[jovial solstice]

You may have disabled it.

Open up settings, use the search and type trade and then can toggle it back on.

I often disable Recruit & Trade Chats when I'm not using them.
-# while also keep Region & Q&A perma-disabled

[sullen sleet]

is coda hema with necrophagic vigor worth using with frames under 720 HP

since it only gives half the cc and cd bonus on them

[jovial solstice]

Might be the 2FA restriction as you need that to be enabled to trade.

[unreal ruin]

nah I have it on

I have traded in the past

I traded like an hour ago

[jovial solstice]

hmm... now that is weird

Give it about a day and if it is still gone, reach out to DE Support.

[fair ibex]

who are these people that quite a defense arbi after only 9 waves 🙁

[placid turtle]

Literally just B rotation

[rugged shore]

Sometimes I quit after 3

Depends on how much vitus I needed ig

[junior solar]

How do I get the starting red veil sigil?

[placid turtle]

The most endless rotations work (besides the ones with special rotations like Disruption) is AABC, but the way Arbis work is that everything after wave 5 is C (AABBCCCCCCCC...)

[fair ibex]

seems like a waste

[placid turtle]

Buy it from them

[junior solar]

I'm assuming I have to get the 1k one. How do I earn the currency?

[placid turtle]

Pledge yourself with them to gain standing. With the 6 faction syndicates, standing is earned passively, I think it's 15% of your affinity for the one you pledge to, and 7.5% for their ally

[viral plover]

Uhhh decendia just sent me to warframe heaven?
Mid game just goes completely white?

[fair ibex]

are archon hunts much harder than say like decendia?

[rugged shore]

Nah

[fair ibex]

i want a shard 😄

[rugged shore]

Definitely do those

If you can do descendia you can probably do netracells too

[glossy violet]

with lv 200 enemies?

[fair ibex]

well i got to floor 14 in decendia

i did 2 more after that but got owned by running out of ammo lol

[rugged shore]

The descendia modifiers probably make it harder

Like an eximus floor is probably way harder than anything in netracells or archon hunt

[fair ibex]

yeah thats what i died to an eximus floor with the frost guys that were all shileded 🙁 the map b4 that i was just running round lowering pressure so didnt kill anything and then i had no ammo lol

there isnt anything i can majorly mess up in the hunts? i guess i should watch a video of the actual archon ?

[placid turtle]

Ascendia

[red path]

the lvl is high, but it's not steel path so it's not as difficult as you may think

[unreal ruin]

should I start veilbreaker

or angel of zarimann

[glossy violet]

i see

[sullen sleet]

archon shards are much easier than descendia

[sullen sleet]

just reminded me to do netracells... right after I closed the game...

[rugged shore]

Week just started so at least not missing out

[sullen sleet]

do you have primed mods?

[unreal ruin]

nah

[fair ibex]

i just did the first one 🙂 some dude ran like so far away and then died and raged in chat in quit

[unreal ruin]

not a single

[sullen sleet]

eh i only got 1 pulse anyway

[sullen sleet]

veilbreaker gives you kahl's garrison which gives you archon mods

[fair ibex]

archon mods actually unlock SO quickly >< i was surprised

[sullen sleet]

ehhh week 3 i believe

[fair ibex]

thought i was gonna have to grind Khal

did like 3 or 4 of his missions

[sullen sleet]

yeah week 3 lol

[fair ibex]

oh is it a timed thing?

[sullen sleet]

one mission a week

[fair ibex]

oh

lol i kind of just half hearted did it while i was doing other stuff

gonna take a while to afford them all then 🙁

[sullen sleet]

nah you can do the missions multiple times

[fair ibex]

oh cool

[sullen sleet]

its just that you can only rank up once a week

[fair ibex]

there is a couple i want for some of my frames for sure

and lots of builds of Kouemi use lots of them

[sullen sleet]

guh i need to do calendar

i need that reactor for Nova

if i like her enough ill get the gemini skin

[fair ibex]

completed the Hunt!

[oblique sequoia]

I may just end up trading for Growing Power bc I apparently do not have enough plants for the requisite Apothic and I really don't wanna go foraging for those rn

[fair ibex]

im on that quest atm 🙁 im on the last stage

stupid plants

[rugged shore]

I ended up just never ever getting growing power

Not gonna farm the plants lol

[fair ibex]

do you need to refarm plants to fight him if it doesnt drop?

[rugged shore]

Yes

[fair ibex]

jfc

[oblique sequoia]

I have a LOT of all the other plants except the earth ones

[red path]

I just run oxylus when hunting liches on earth

[oblique sequoia]

Well they did change how you farm plants recently so they're less tedious now. It's just the Earth ones have a day and night variant

[fair ibex]

he auto loots plans for u rigth?

[oblique sequoia]

Need to get that Oxylus mod, too

I want more Lunar Pitchers

[oblique sequoia]

Before the recent change, you actually had to scan plants with the Codex/Synthesis Scanner to collect them

So that's why I don't have a lot of the earth ones

[fair ibex]

yeah lol when i googled the plants it still gave me that info and i thought it was quest specific so i scanned all the plants on my first farm run and was FUMING when i didnt have any lol

[red path]

imo that was easier sometimes, some plants can spawn in places where you can't loot them with new way

[oblique sequoia]

That's true

And also pulling out the scanner highlights them

So they're easier to spot

[red path]

and if you use oxylus there is no difference

[fair ibex]

ir archon hunt once a week?

[red path]

yes

[fair ibex]

🙁

[placid turtle]

Rewards are once a week besides in-mission loot pickups

[red path]

shards farming is heavily gated

[fair ibex]

it was really fun, the last stage i just spent following people cos i didnt really know wth was going on lol

i like these modes like arbi and stuff when everyone is kind of sticking together and doing stuff

[oblique sequoia]

I still get left behind even when I'm the carry in damage. I am not good at parkour LMAO

[red path]

want explanation? it's just a boss fight with some mechanics

[oblique sequoia]

God bless Uriel and Infernalis

[fair ibex]

nah i understood the boss, it was just the decaons and things

[oblique sequoia]

Now that was an ironic sentence...

[red path]

deacons drop deacon veil that you need to insert into statues near the door to open it

[fair ibex]

ahh , yeah i figured it when i saw people do it

on the pevrious exacvation and stuff i just loaded things into the machines cos evryone else was carrying dmg

thought id be more useful that way lol

[oblique sequoia]

I was Harrow so I just kept giving out buffs

[fair ibex]

yeah i have roar and i slowed for them 🙂

so i was "doing stuff"

[oblique sequoia]

Honestly, just participating in the objective is more than enough sometimes

[fair ibex]

honestly i hav the dmg to kill the enemies on the first 2 stages np tho

[red path]

roar is not just slow, it's a good damage buff, especially on rhino

[fair ibex]

nah i know im nova so i have slow when doing defense based stuff / speed for kill based things and roar

[oblique sequoia]

I have heard a lot about Rhino and Roar

Have you guys seen what Jade looks like when using Nourish? It's cursed as hecc

[red holly]

if you want to deal a lot of damage to bosses it's nice to have a strong sniper rifle or other precision rifle

[fair ibex]

normally i just speed up alllll the time, but on some of the harder stuff for defense based things slow seems like a good move

i want nourish 🙁 still have so many nodes to do lol

[red holly]

because of how the damage attenuation calculationworks

[oblique sequoia]

Vinquibus with Primary Acuity is pretty good

[red holly]

it's a shame it makes faster firing weapons deal much less damage

[rugged shore]

Thats when you start using fast firing weapons that do sniper damage

[red holly]

I think my tiberon prime could melt the bosses with semi headshots

it's funny how burst fire used to be the best firing mode, now I think it's semi

[oblique sequoia]

I still get very surprised when a loadout I make for fun does absurd amounts of damage

[red holly]

because semi is basically a slower fire rate auto

with better crit profile

[oblique sequoia]

Like Melee Retaliation on Styanax while Rally Point is active so you keep shields

[red holly]

I like thinking of builds on my own

[unreal ruin]

Oh damn yeah it also unlocks archon hunts for me

[oblique sequoia]

Well probably not absurd but it's more effective than I anticipated

[red holly]

it doesn't always work out, but sometimes it does and it feels great

[oblique sequoia]

Same! I will take recommendations in mind but I always wanna put my own spin on things

[oblique sequoia]

Me with Primary Acuity Acceltra. It was so funny but was NOT effective at ALL

[glossy violet]

that is.. a horrible idea

[rugged shore]

Acuity is never effective because I can't aim

[red holly]

do people use internal bleeding on acceltra?

[oblique sequoia]

I knew it was a horrible idea. I just wanted to see how funny it would be

[glossy violet]

it's funny to me ❤️

[oblique sequoia]

Thank you XD

[red holly]

not too long ago I wanted to try out prisma grakata just to see how fast I can be firing

the weapon isn't that strong but it was funny

I might give it another try though

[rugged shore]

You should try it with grouping like vauban vortex + punch through

Makes it pop up a bazillion numbers

[red holly]

oh that sounds amazing

[glossy violet]

long time before the hex update my friend sought out how to make THE fastest-shooting mesa ever with i think arcane pistoleer? or arcane velocity? plus wisp and other such mods

[red holly]

[glossy violet]

the resulting sound was just a long RRRRRRRRRR note

[oblique sequoia]

Peak Warframe gameplay is when you can't see the enemy behind a cloud of damage counters

[red holly]

I wonder if you can start firing so fast the sounds just break

[rugged shore]

I relatively recently enabled compact damage numbers now I cant go back

You can actually see the game

[oblique sequoia]

What weapon did people mod to have the longest reload speed again?

I remember it was somewhere around 10 minutes of reloading

[red holly]

there are a few weapons with 5 seconds of reload

unless you mean the shotguns that reload one clip at a time

[oblique sequoia]

No no. An actual weapon where they modded it specifically to see how long they can make the reload speed

[oblique sequoia]

I slotted Acuity on some of my weapons specifically bc I wanted to practice my aim. Glad to say it's been helping a lot. I'm actually using Snipers more often now

[red holly]

it seems like there was an issue with gauss and redline making him reload very very slowly

[rugged shore]

Frankly for me trying to headshot in a game like this is a lost cause

Everything is so fast and chaotic I dont bother

The only time I headshot is if I use hildryn which headshots from above by shooting stuff in the vicinity

[oblique sequoia]

Best thing is headshots with full auto Incarnon weapons bc you can charge that up so fast

Also, Harrow with the AX-52 with Primary Acuity is quite the beast

You'll never have to worry about not having any energy

[rugged shore]

That's Garuda where you generate the full bar of 900 energy by pressing one button

[oblique sequoia]

Lol

[still wyvern]

AX-52 with primary crux is also quite the beast

[oblique sequoia]

I have both on mine

[still wyvern]

I love flat bonuses to ammo efficiency for some reason

amazing

[red holly]

ax-52 with deadhead and harrow, use aim instead of hipfire, try it

it's sooo gooood

[oblique sequoia]

Oh shit that sounds amazing

Luckily I've maxed out my Deadhead

[still wyvern]

I got that on config #2

[oblique sequoia]

Gonna put that in a different config

I still really like my Primary Crux config

[still wyvern]

both work very nice with the augment

[red holly]

yeah, the augment makes ax amazing

[oblique sequoia]

Y'know... I've always been iffy on boosts that only last for less than 10 seconds until I realize how long like... 5 seconds is in a fast paced game like this lol

[red holly]

I like both crux and deadhead build

[oblique sequoia]

Is it better to have Bladed Rounds on here? Harrow can buff reload speed so I think I'm not gonna mod for that

[sullen sleet]

I play mostly aoe weapons so no acuity for me

[oblique sequoia]

Cannonade Mods for u, then

Those are also fun

[glossy violet]

smells like another opportunity for me to slap primary acuity where it dont belong

[sullen sleet]

I like fire rate thank you

[red holly]

I actually use it with multishot, but acuity could work as well

[oblique sequoia]

I just like how you can cancel out Creeping Bullseye debuff with Semi-pistol Cannonade

[sullen sleet]

Uses anemic agility instead

[oblique sequoia]

Don't mind the Arcanes, I'm still figuring those out

But this is super fun for me

Sporelancer secondary, btw

[fair ibex]

is there like a decent arcane to use for ur primary b4 u get merciless? like an allrounder type thing

[oblique sequoia]

I think Merciless is the most reliable to start with

[red holly]

merciless is the arcane that is the all rounder and easiest to get

[fair ibex]

its SP only tho right?

[still wyvern]

can you even use primary and secondary arcanes before steel path?

[red holly]

yeah, but you can't use arcanes before sp

[oblique sequoia]

Yeah, from Acolytes

[red holly]

and acolytes spawn in every sp misison

[fair ibex]

ahh i see primary and sec arcanes are sp only?

[red holly]

and every kill guarantees one of their arcanes

primary/secondary merciless and deadhead

[oblique sequoia]

I did SP Techrot Survival for like 25 minutes last night trying to level up my Acolyte Arcanes

I need to do them again for the rest of the ones I need

[red holly]

the arcane costs like 15p maxed out because of how often it drops

[oblique sequoia]

Yeah but I wanna save my plat for something else XD

stares are heirloom skins

[red holly]

I understand, heirloom skins are cool

[oblique sequoia]

I'm still debating whether I'll get Vauban bc I do plan on using him more

[red holly]

I will go back to vauban to try him out for sure

[oblique sequoia]

I don't wanna buy skins for Frames I don't use much

[warm glen]

do we have an LFG channel?

[still wyvern]

not exactly, you can get them before steel path but I don't think you can use them

[red holly]

#squad-recruitment

[still wyvern]

the release order of hierloom skins is weird, there's so many options for who could be next

[red holly]

isn't that exciting?

[jovial solstice]

I would kind of love if it's just a dartboard on the wall clem

[still wyvern]

yeah lol

[oblique sequoia]

I don't think they have a pattern. Which is very exciting

[still wyvern]

starting with frost and mag made not a lot of sense, continuing with ember and rhino did make sense, and then vauban was out of left field again

[oblique sequoia]

I really wanna know what the next Heirloom is but that'll have to wait. Vauban is coming and he will be peeled

Imagine if we could put Styanax' tassels on Vauban

[red holly]

I wonder which idea was first, vauban heirloon or vauban rework?

[rugged shore]

Probably the heirloom? The "rework" is pretty slight

[modern wedge]

Hello! Is any weapon in Warframe bouncing between enemies?

[oblique sequoia]

They call it a retouch tbh

[warm glen]

(LF tridolon farm)

[oblique sequoia]

Glaives

[warm glen]

ope there's #squad-recruitment

[red holly]

@warm glen wrong channel

[red holly]

yeah, retouch is a nice way to put it

[sullen sleet]

Wait til the rework makes Orbital Laser nuke rooms

[rugged shore]

With what damage lol

[red holly]

orbital laser but it travels in a line blowing everything in the way

[oblique sequoia]

I read that the aoe and damage for that is getting buffed. I can't wait

[sullen sleet]

The augment lol

I hope they make it scale somehow

[rugged shore]

Making it strike a few more times isn't doing much when its not scaling

[sullen sleet]

I really hope they make it scale...

[rugged shore]

Flechette is so much stronger its not even funny

He has 2 damage buttons and 1 is just better than the other

[oblique sequoia]

Bastille has no limit

[sullen sleet]

Flechette-tether*

[red holly]

flechette part of flechette tether

or maybe the combination

[sullen sleet]

I want them to buff the range of flechette

[red holly]

what's the base range?

[sullen sleet]

So we can nuke rooms with just flechette

[rugged shore]

You just throw them all over and room is dead

[oblique sequoia]

Huh... I wonder how effective Arcane Concentration is gonna be on Vauban?

Making Bastille last longer would be nice

[rugged shore]

You dont need duration vauban likes to spam

[oblique sequoia]

Oh so he's a caster frame

[rugged shore]

Very much caster

[oblique sequoia]

Well at least Tesla Nervos can reliability proc Archon Stretch

[red holly]

I like those all rounder utility frames, Vauban might be my cup of tea

[sullen sleet]

I don't like vauban

He's a very stationary frame

All of his abilities feel like he was designed to lock down a single room

[glossy violet]

for guns that give an element on reload, say, Heat, in the context of mixing with other elemental mods is it treated like a mod (in the top left hierarchy-wise) or does it just combine with any "loose" element mod you have?

example, reconifex modded for corrosive and cold. if you reload and trigger the heat, does it become corroblast?

[sullen sleet]

Which is great for defense. Not really great for a lot else

[sullen sleet]

Reconifex's element on reload is a separate instance of damage and does not mix with modded elements

Similar to toxic lash and Xatas whisper

[glossy violet]

i see!

so toxic lash is just a +tox above everything else?

[sullen sleet]

Yes

[glossy violet]

like if you mod for heat it wont magically turn to gas

[sullen sleet]

No

[rugged shore]

Its not just + tox its an entirely separate hit that procs tox

[glossy violet]

i seeeeeee. thank you

[red holly]

I like how strong Lavos is as a weapons platform

[cunning pollen]

Is it worth SP Perita Rebellion or normal for materials (specifically for vinquibus, galek prime etc)

[red holly]

Lavos with prisma grakata is able to deal 120k+ damage with each shot

[hardy forum]

which riven mods better?

[red holly]

the one on the left 100%

torid doesn't need reload speed if it is incarnon

I think it will make transition slower but that's a not a big downside

[shrewd hull]

it's a pretty annoying downside, and -zoom is a positive negative

unfortunately most factions aren't grineer

[strong field]

Not.... Really....

I was moving a lot with Vauban.... I did the trick with other player did

Too much of a range makes him stationary

I go too much Duration

Might change and go too much Strength too

[strong field]

Good thing Nuclear is not here right now hahahaahh

Anyways

[red holly]

why? he would be arguing with me?

[strong field]

Bro how do I complete Call of Tempestarii, I really want Arca Plasmor for my Vauban

[red holly]

wasn't call of tempestarii the sevagoth quest?

[strong field]

Lavos is meant to be an active caster like Garuda

Making him a Weapon platformer is downright blasphemy hahahahaha for Nuclear

He is meant to be a spammy one... I am. Trying to learn how to be one tho

[strong field]

Also... Yup

[red holly]

but I use him for both

[strong field]

Then your safe

[red holly]

I don't just cast to refresh valence

[vale falcon]

With his Valence formation augment mod he's decent as a platform, but ability is definitely the main focus, could be a worse frame to make a platform out of

[strong field]

Ya your safe hahahah Me i still yet to learn

[red holly]

I agree, I like his kit

when you learn his rotation you can keep spamming

[white badger]

is it worth getting the rest

[strong field]

BTW any tip to finish Call of Tempestarii? I really want Tenet Arca Plasmor

[vale falcon]

Upgrade your Railjack and have an at least decent crew, helps with main part of it, for the final section of it tho, good luck. I don't have much I can recommend for that last bit

[strong field]

Ehhh

[red holly]

amalgam organ shatter is useful if you want to make a heavy attack melee build

[strong field]

Oh no.... The last section?..... Why......?

[white badger]

haven't considered it. i am going for the nami solo incarnon this week tho

[vale falcon]

You get forced into a different ship without crew

[shrewd hull]

i don't think box dislikes valence lavos

[strong field]

Nah he will just react and that's it

[white badger]

is the opticor vandal obtainable somewhere else? i want MR ahah

[shrewd hull]

moreso dislikes the "why play any other version of lavos" mindset because he really likes caster lavos

[strong field]

Oh..... Bruh whaaaat?

[white badger]

just ranked up to MR15

[red holly]

I really think Valence makes Lavos a strong weapons platform, but I don't see Lavos as just a weapons platform but also a fun caster frame

[bronze zinc]

Is this a good build? Idk if I should change anything

[red holly]

what is that weapon?

oh yeah it's burston

[silver breach]

"meant to be" is a pretty blasphemous phrase imo as well in Warframe since you can basically just play however you want if you build your loadout right

[shrewd hull]

acricron is fire rate crit damage?

[strong field]

Ehhh true, that's my baf

Bad*

[shrewd hull]

i'll memorize riven names one day

[strong field]

I'll rest my case there

[bronze zinc]

Crit chance and damage with a recoil negative

[silver breach]

Also what do you think valence formation is for

[red holly]

Lavos is kind of an all rounder as he can be played both

[shrewd hull]

drop something for vital sense, probably hammer shot

[strong field]

Yeah as I said I rest my case hahahahaha

[red holly]

Valence Formation is for the guaranteed statuses and increased damage for the statuses including the statuses that usually don't get any other easy way of increasing the damage like gas

[vale falcon]

If you can reliably hit heads then swap chamber out for acuity, makes it slightly better as the AoE isn't affected by multishot but is by weakpoint crit chance

[white badger]

btw the best way to raise chemistry with hex chars is on pc right?

i need to be liked by all to finish the hex and rank up to 4

[shrewd hull]

if you have primed shred it'll likely play better than gilded truth if you don't have enough armor for the punch through evolution

[red holly]

but it also gives you versatility as you can add another damage type on a weapon which helps some weaker weapons become actually strong

[strong field]

I haven't used Lavos for a long time tbh

[red holly]

and strong weapons downright broken

[strong field]

Been using Vauban more and more hahahaha

[bronze zinc]

Makes sense, I’ll try it later

[shrewd hull]

valence is actually weird in how it works

[red holly]

yes, talk to them every day

[strong field]

It's the reason I use Torid on Lavos

While my Torid has Corrosive Cold and Lavos puts Viral on it hahaha

[shrewd hull]

in addition to the guaranteed status it also adds the element as a 200% damage mod to your weapon lol

[white badger]

and does this speed it up ahah

[shrewd hull]

so it can mess up weightings

[red holly]

I think so but I don't think it's required

it can mess up or even increase the weighting on the element you want

[silver breach]

I highly recommend watching coolkid's video on Valence Formation

[pure gulch]

yeah if you gift an item they like its an extra bit of chem every day

[silver breach]

It's very educational

[white badger]

anything on the list?

[pure gulch]

no its specific ones for everyone, there’s a list out there for what everyone likes

[strong field]

Nuclear already gave me a guide to it... And after all I'm a Vauban main so yeah

[silver breach]

Each person likes specific things. You need to learn about who they are so you know what to gift them

[white badger]

i can also search the reddit thread that tells which one likse what right ahah

[silver breach]

The video specifically?

[silver breach]

Or you can do that

[strong field]

Oh no, he wrote it out in my dms, and I can simply ask him directly about it... Tbh it's a big help considering I can talk to him about it 1 on 1

Tho I might watch it for the sake of learning more if I use Lavos again

[strong field]

Lastly, before I go, how do I sell Bite? I don't really use it so I am Deciding to sell it for plat

[shrewd hull]

warframe.market

you don't use beasts?

[strong field]

No no I mean... I have only 1 and I can't seem to find it in the Trading stuff

[strong field]

Yeah, might sell Panzer after gildimg

[shrewd hull]

oh you have to unequip it from all companions first

i highly recommend against doing this but it's up to you in the end

[rugged shore]

Do you just not plan on using resourceful retriever?

Or farming credits with prosperous retriever?

[strong field]

Nah, i don't have problem with those tbh

[rugged shore]

Definitely with saryn against selling

[glossy violet]

or panzer priming?

[strong field]

I have Diriga

[shrewd hull]

or having one of the tankiest companions available

[strong field]

....

Fine I won't sell it

[rugged shore]

Beasts are INCREDIBLY strong

[shrewd hull]

we're just trying to make sure you don't do something you end up regretting lol

[strong field]

Thing that it doesn't perform what I wanted....

It's not "Beasty" enough

[shrewd hull]

well what are you trying to get from your beast?

[strong field]

I want it to be aggressive as fck

[shrewd hull]

resourceful and prosperous retriever are unique buffs you can't get elsewhere, those are reason enough to keep a built beast handy by itself

[strong field]

Attacking and priming each and everyone

[rugged shore]

Use a sunika

[shrewd hull]

mecha set kubrows

[strong field]

Yeah no

Panzer

That's my problem with Beasts

[shrewd hull]

if you actually build out the claws, panzer will kill shit

mine is hitting armored steel path corrupted for 500k+ t1 crits

depending on the primary im using it can hit orange sometimes

[rugged shore]

Panzer can do good enough damage but it is not a damage centric companion

[strong field]

Not that I mean....

Like

You how a beast, scratches and attacks everyone

Not killing them yet but staggering them in a way that they my Panzer is Jusy.... Do apeshit

[sullen sleet]

Me when hounds

[strong field]

THAT'S the beast I want, I don't want my Panzer to attack... Focus on one... And stay afterwards

No I want it to be aggressive

[shrewd hull]

so you want it to fly around the map and prime everything

assassin posture cats kinda do that? but that's a hound thing

[sullen sleet]

Hounds are awesome

[shrewd hull]

like assassin posture's definition is "attacks different targets each time"

[strong field]

YES! and damaging everyone! That's the beast I want

[sullen sleet]

Did you know

[sullen fractal]

This may be a stupid question but for mods like these, is it + Crit Chance (when aiming for 9s) or + Crit Chance when aiming (for 9s)?

[shrewd hull]

you probably want a hound then

[shrewd hull]

the latter

[sullen sleet]

If you hover your croshairs over an enemy long enough, your beast companion will attack the enemy you're looking at

[sullen fractal]

Nicee good to know thanks

[shrewd hull]

scope type mods activate on any headshot but you only get the crit while aiming

[rugged shore]

Damage centric companions are nuts as well

[sullen sleet]

I like companions that armour strip

[strong field]

I'm quite active WITH Vauban, moving around and stuff

[sullen sleet]

Idk what that has to do with the conversation at hand but okay

But yeah mecha set is good damage

[strong field]

How

[sullen sleet]

Really good damage

[fair ibex]

this coda concert , i cant even see whats hitting me half the time 🙁

[strong field]

I want that in my Panzer

[sullen sleet]

Get one of those eye cybernetics

[rugged shore]

Panzer can do it if you give it like any kind of buff

That was sunika with no roar or nourish or anything

[sullen sleet]

mecha set panzer

[rugged shore]

Vauban can give it overdriver