gameplay-discussion

[chilly jungle]

what are you using for energy regen

because you could just use lycath hunt + equilibrium

[silver breach]

im not quitre sure what youre asking

[coarse comet]

equilibrium and synth deconstruct on both venari and my smeeta

[chilly jungle]

ig you could just use omamori and aegis 😭

[lofty garden]

you mean with regal aya? if you don't have regal aya yet, you can just grind the relics using regular aya.

[strong field]

Who is you using?

[coarse comet]

Khora

[misty cosmos]

Wow that’s awesome lol

[strong field]

Oh

[coarse comet]

are there any non-subsume options like I said I'm probably not going to have any of the ones you guys are suggesting, unless its easy to farm

[strong field]

Well shield gate has 2 ways

The lazy one which needed a lot of mods

And the active one which needed two mods

[eager snow]

arcane energize, grimoire, zenurik, archon stretch (with electric whipclaw)

[strong field]

Pair that with Vigilant Vigor and you're good

[chilly jungle]

koumei builds in like 12 hours 😭

[strong field]

Koumei is my Tank system for Vauban tbh hahahah

[wanton sorrel]

are they good to buy all three of em or should i get somthing elkse

[chilly jungle]

tbh your just not shield gating properly 💔

[strong field]

Truw

[misty cosmos]

Yeah, it won’t increase the invulnerability window Per se

But it will make your shields charge much faster, so the window will benefit you more often

[coarse comet]

well yeah I can't because I can't spam abilities due to the energy issue lol

[strong field]

As I said there are two ways of shield gating and what you have is the active one

[coarse comet]

are there any better survival methods on Khora to shieldgating?

[chilly jungle]

you need efficiency 😭

[worthy comet]

why not try arcane circumvent

[strong field]

This is me just standing still with shieldgating

[chilly jungle]

what is your build @coarse comet

just send a screenshot

[chilly jungle]

do you have purple archon shards or nah

[strong field]

Yeah the active Shield Gate needs high efficiency

[coarse comet]

no my archon shards are a shatshow

[chilly jungle]

alr get rid of prime flow and add efficiency

[strong field]

Lazy shield gating doesn't need efficiency but you have to move

[coarse comet]

streamline?

[silver breach]

its the opposite, you want low efficiency so youre abilities cost more

costing more energy = more shields

[strong field]

That doesn't work tbh, me and my friend tested it... It'll just suffer

[chilly jungle]

using a frame with a pseudo exalted usually needs efficiency tho

[silver breach]

while I do agree that its suffering, im just saying youre spreading misinformation

positive efficiency will give less shields

[coarse comet]

what do purple archon shards do btw

[strong field]

Huh.... I swear it doesn't change... Maybe we are wrong

[silver breach]

im note saying you should go negative efficiency, im just saying what you said is factually wrong

[strong field]

Yeah in a sense

[strong field]

Ah got it, I will write it down so that I won't forget that detail

[eager snow]

efficiency doesn't matter if you're using catalyzing shields

[coarse comet]

btw my archon shards are absolutely terrible I threw them all into health

[silver breach]

while it doesnt matter as much, im just correcting the misinformation

[coarse comet]

and the yellow is casting speed

[strong field]

I might try an active Shield Gate on Vauban next time

[chilly jungle]

you should be constantly spamming 1 with khora whiplash tho

[strong field]

I appreciate it tho tbh

[strong field]

Ye ye, but as it says the less, the higher energy cost, the higher shield it'll give

[chilly jungle]

yeah but it doesn't matter how much shields you are getting aslong as if you can maintain like 1 shield so you can take atleast 1 hit 😭

[strong field]

Hahahahaha in a sense. Sure hahahaha

Catalysing and Brief Respite as a combo is so good hahahah

But it needs proper buulding

[silver breach]

yeah due to cat shields, youre getting the exact same amount of shield gating

[chilly jungle]

i dont even use catalyzing and i still survive 💔

[coarse comet]

^ this is what I was trying to do but constantly out of energy for it lol

[silver breach]

no matter how many shields you lost

[chilly jungle]

what cat shield 😭

[coarse comet]

catalyzing shields

[chilly jungle]

idk

i dont think you need it ✌️🥹

[vague swallow]

first time lv cap. still missing one forma to make my titania complete.

[strong field]

True same with me, I use a Gauss Shield on Vauban (but with Koumei's 3 on my Vauban) to survive well

[silver breach]

congrats

[strong field]

Good luck

[misty cosmos]

Holy shit, Crushing ruin jus made the wolf sledge like 10x more fun

[strong field]

It is needed bc of that 1.33 seconds of more gate

That alone helps have a window to spam and grow more shield

[chilly jungle]

idk

spam 1 fast enough and you wont die 😭

should i record what i mean or nah

[coarse comet]

am I just not in a good position to be doing shieldgating then lol I still don't really know what I can do to solve the energy issue because I'd have to farm out warframes for subsumes and my arcanes are terrible aside from the 2 I have which are for oraxia and don't suit Khora

[lofty garden]

Just use Hildryn

[strong field]

Automatic Shield Gate hahahah

[lofty garden]

No energy, no problem.

[misty cosmos]

Solve one problem with another lmao

[strong field]

Her shield and Gauss are literally crazy hahahaha

[chilly jungle]

bro TRUST just add some efficiency and start spamming faster ✌️🥹

[coarse comet]

but Hildryn doesn't have kibbyyyyy

[chilly jungle]

like 130% is enough

[eager snow]

voruna is probably the easiest to get of the subsume options

[misty cosmos]

Get a kavat pet and everyone can have a kibby!

[strong field]

Ya know what I agree... In his case he needs efficiency

I mean since he wants to spam 1

[silver breach]

you could use Dethcube

[strong field]

What does a Death cube even do tbh... I have yet to know that...... Cube

[eager snow]

there's no way they have that dethcube mod if they don't have the other stuff

and thats like worse to farm than everything else combined

[silver breach]

assisted kills give energy orbs

[strong field]

Oh? But Meldo mentioned about the mod... What was that

[strong field]

Yo what do you mean?

[eager snow]

simaris mod...energy generator or something

[fair ibex]

if i "abort" mission on a relic mission cos i forgot to join public do i lose the relic?

[silver breach]

you have to get Dethcubes mod from Simaris

[worthy comet]

100k simaris standing

[eager snow]

https://wiki.warframe.com/w/Energy_Generator

[strong field]

I am sure it's tradable

[silver breach]

yes

[fair ibex]

raage

[strong field]

You will only lose it if you Crack it... No? Or you will lose it entirely of you just equip it

[silver breach]

wait wdym by you lose the relic?

like did you open the relic?

or you just selected it?

[coarse comet]

I'm not even spamming 1 b2b tbh and still run out, I just use it enough to keep up combo multiplier and between whipclaws I am tapping epitaph prime cuz my whipclaw has condition overload

[lofty garden]

you do not lose the relic if you abort

[silver breach]

if you just equipped the relic, you can just abort

[strong field]

Ye ye

[lofty garden]

but, you know, don’t be “that guy”

[silver breach]

wdym

[strong field]

There is a reason I want to use Hydroid than Khora or Nekros hahahahah

Hydroid is versatile fr fr

[eager snow]

his augment is also stronger than khora, and mabe nekros?

[coarse comet]

I want to use Khora cuz cats are awesome

[lofty garden]

don’t join a void fissure mission, look at the relics of the other three people, then drop

could just get a kavat…

[coarse comet]

I do

[eager snow]

I don't usually use pilfering strangledome unless im doing plastids or orokin cells or whatever

[coarse comet]

I use both because 2 cats is better than 1 cat

[strong field]

If I remember it's 100% loot too and some of his Augs too

[strong field]

Valid

[worthy comet]

@coarse comet do you have access to descendia

[coarse comet]

nope, how do I get that

[worthy comet]

clearing the old peace

[chilly jungle]

what survival mission you run for orokin cells

[strong field]

Oh hahahahaha

[coarse comet]

oh, that's my next story quest. Why do you ask? :>

[strong field]

Fair

[worthy comet]

descendia allows you to farm for an arcane called arcane circumvent, it may solve your survivability issues

[eager snow]

gabii ceres, nova / hydroid / nekros / khora

[chilly jungle]

idk

[chilly jungle]

wait a full team 😭 ??

[eager snow]

yeah just use recruit chat or the channel here

[coarse comet]

I see it, thank you looks interesting

[chilly jungle]

for how long and how much ✌️💔

[coarse comet]

is descendia a weekly thing or?

[eager snow]

its like 1-2 / minute with the shared booster (blue one) and blessing

double if you have the orange one

• resourceful retriever too

[chilly jungle]

2 cells per minute 👀

[strong field]

I have yet to get that hahahah it can steal overguard too right?

[chilly jungle]

did you have a nekros with ore gaze?

[worthy comet]

it has weekly rewards that refresh but it's repeatable for the maphica resource

[worthy comet]

yup

and shields, and armor

[coarse comet]

overguard as well? neat

yeah that does seem like a pretty decent solution tbh

[worthy comet]

all you gotta do is roll

[coarse comet]

no energy needed to roll lol

[chilly jungle]

only 10k

[strong field]

Ooooo Vauban!!!! I have an another ARCANE for Vauban!!!!

[coarse comet]

ONLY?

[strong field]

It's smth, even shield and armor you steal

[eager snow]

not the last time I did it, i've only done it a couple times. I don't run out of cells much tbh and I have almost all hte prime frames, but I do have a lot of prime weapons that are basically MR fodder to do still

[chilly jungle]

not alot in high lvls

[strong field]

It's a alot

[chilly jungle]

its alot with dmg redirection 😭

[coarse comet]

I'm not really doing any content that's above lvl 200 enemies maximum so

[worthy comet]

just gotta find eximus to roll at

[strong field]

Hahahah sure I can say that

[eager snow]

the biggest cell wasters are all the alt helmets and operator cosmetics lmao

[chilly jungle]

still not going to last you long you would have to find a eximus like every 30 seconds to a minute

[strong field]

Off topic: I just realized your PFP is an avocado, not a ringed planet for some reason hahahah

[chilly jungle]

unless you got dodge chance or killing fast

[coarse comet]

I mean it takes shield as well right? It would solve my issue of no energy to shieldgate

[strong field]

Yes

[coarse comet]

because I'd no longer need energy to get shields

[strong field]

I guess

[strong field]

Oh wait good idea, I might try thay

[coarse comet]

even if I took 1 shield per roll

[worthy comet]

yea its still a better option cuz it's still an easier way to quickly replenish shields

[chilly jungle]

woudn't work in certain missions 💔

[strong field]

If they have shield tho that's the thing corpus only have them

[coarse comet]

true lol

[chilly jungle]

there not a enemy with shields in every mission/tileset 😭

[strong field]

Most enemies have Armor hahahha

[strong field]

Corpus only, that's it

[chilly jungle]

infested have none beside overguard 💔

[strong field]

Hahaha hahaha true

[chilly jungle]

i think there a perita rebellion enemy with all 3 types of armor/defense

or atleast armor + shields

[eager snow]

i remember playing hildryn vs infested as like an mr12 and getting so pissed that pillage does nothing

[strong field]

Ooo that's true, yea yea

[coarse comet]

anyway I've equipped streamline maybe that will help a lot I don't know yet haha

[strong field]

Hahahahah

[eager snow]

if you run relics just do the conjunction survival lua one that's up a lot, get voruna to subsume. then get voruna b/c wolf girl.

[chilly jungle]

isn't needed tho since there like 50 allies in perita rebellion and the enemies die really fast because of focus school buffs

[silver breach]

while i do agree it will help, it sounds like you just need more orb generation

[coarse comet]

I thought synth deconstruct x2 with equilibrium would be enough but I guess not

[strong field]

Kill fast enough, yeah that was my problem too before I found out Nataruk can blast the shit out of anyone hahahah

[silver breach]

Synth Deconstruct requires your companion to damage the enemies first. Venari and Smeeta are just 2 units. Youre probably killing stuff faster than them hitting enemies

[coarse comet]

is it a teammate thing? Are energy orb drops the same regardless of who kills the enemy?

[coarse comet]

eh yeah I suppose

so what you're saying is I need 100 cats?

DE add this please

[strong field]

No

[silver breach]

well no, since Duplex Bond doesnt work with Synth Deconstruct

[strong field]

I'm sure it's no

[coarse comet]

aw shame

[strong field]

I was about to ask that but thanks I guess

[coarse comet]

cat army sounds fun

[silver breach]

im just saying you need more orb generation and not just fully rely on smeeta + Venari

[strong field]

It's the reason I use Nautilus

[silver breach]

I mean you can, I personally do that

[coarse comet]

I do have nautilus prime ig I could give it a try

[silver breach]

just dont think youre getting energy from that

[coarse comet]

yeah makes sense

Since trying Khora I have realized big time that I took Oraxia's QOL for granted

[silver breach]

do you have Arcane Energize? are you on Zenurik School?

those will also help with energyu

[coarse comet]

no arcane energize and I'm on Madurai

[silver breach]

what are you getting out of Madurai?

[eager snow]

I would use zenurik, once you solve energy use naramon

[silver breach]

this

[coarse comet]

I mainly play Oraxia so I went with Madurai for Ability strength but yeah for my Khora it doesn't really do anything

[eager snow]

dexterity arcanes on everything too (primary, secondary, both on archgun), drifitng contact is pretty tight too if you have a free whipclaw mod slot

drifting contact*

[silver breach]

yeah I shudder at the thought of someone doing Madurai stuff everytime they whipclaw lmao

[coarse comet]

ahahaha

yeah I selected it because of Oraxia only

and didn't think to swap

[silver breach]

do you use your loadouts?

i suggest doing that, so you can have Madurai with Oraxia and Zenurik with Khora, so you dont need to think about "forgetting to swap"

[coarse comet]

I do, I wasn't aware you can swap school with them!

[silver breach]

yeah school is saved just like the rest of your loadout

[coarse comet]

I have some greater zenurik lenses so I'll just slap tha on my Khora and her weapons?

[mellow adder]

i need to build another frame. otherwise ima burn myself out of gauss.

how build dante?

[coarse comet]

not really sure if lenses can be stacked

[silver breach]

wdym by stacked? like if you have multiple of the same lense in a loadout, do they add up?

yes they do

[coarse comet]

yeah like should I be putting lenses on all my weapons even if, for example, I use the furax for the amalgam mod but don't use it actively, is there any point putting a lens on it?

[silver breach]

i dont really have an opnion since I put random lenses on everything, I have a metric ton of lenses due to playing for so long.

I guess you should just put lenses on stuff you always use?

[coarse comet]

I do always use my furax so ig I might as well put at least some lens on it

[worthy comet]

Strength and duration

[worthy comet]

Lenses help when you get focus ultimates from old peace content

[mellow adder]

dump range?

[coarse comet]

alright welp hopefully better ability efficiency, zenurik school, and that arcane will help me out

thanks guys, been a long discussion

[silver breach]

dont dump range imo. keep it neutral

[eager snow]

archon stretch is pretty good on him too unless you're using noctua constantly

[mellow adder]

precision intensify and transient fort maybe a good combo?

[eager snow]

depends if you're using noctua or not, if not use precision

[mellow adder]

is the noctua good?

[eager snow]

ngl I haven't played him hardly at all since they allowed arcanes on exalted weapons lmao, I would imagine yes

[worthy comet]

I like pairing noctua with secondary encumber so I can put arcane impetus on dante

Free strength and efficiency

[silver breach]

do arcanes work with the wordwarden version of noctua?

[worthy comet]

I think so

[silver breach]

based

[eager snow]

I know galv mods don't

and stacking arcanes. I can test the encumber thing

[zealous swan]

where do yall usually farm argon crystals cause im feeling unlucky today

[mellow adder]

how would I build the noctua? I have enervate and cascadia flare maxed secondary arcanes

[silver breach]

I just go Mot Survival

[zealous swan]

i have unlocked void via phobos 😔

[mellow adder]

viral heat doesn't meld with the built in rad. so ig ill do that with cascadia flare

[eager snow]

just do hepit and break boxes (have xaku?) or the defense mission

[fair ibex]

so my lich fled to a proxima region now i got 3 stabs correct , do i need an upgraded railjack to finally kill him?

[silver breach]

ye

[fair ibex]

fml

like srsly upgraded? or just minimum stuff

[eager snow]

you just need one of the intrinsic categories at level 5

so you could technically do nothing to your railjack and bum off other people to get the intrinsics. if you want stuff hire crewmates from ticker and go to dry dock in dojo and get MK3 parts

[fair ibex]

yeah i got a crewmate for gunnery and repairs but they kinda suck lol

so just lvl my command up to 5 and then i can fight him?

[eager snow]

yeah any of them, command is probably the most useful

[fair ibex]

ok and it just dont apepar on the promia map until u get something to 5 ?

[eager snow]

it should be on saturn but not let you launch it without the intrinsics

[fair ibex]

aight

[mellow adder]

arcane conc and molt efficiency are the only arcanes I have that make sense to run on dante rn lol.
ALL the duration

[eager snow]

arcane steadfast rules on him if you have it

[mellow adder]

is running precision intesify alright on dante?

[silver breach]

if youre not using Noctua

[mellow adder]

what do i run instead then?

[silver breach]

there are other strength mods, Blind rage, Umbral instensify, Transient fortitude

augur secrets

[amber trench]

usually you'd rather Umbral assuming you have Noctua

Or if you subsume Roar or something

[fair ibex]

can ur ai railjack gunner not target weak points ur exposing when ur the away crew ? 🙁

[mellow adder]

i have transient on him, if i put blind rage will i not get immediately told im doing it wrong?

[vestal ivy]

what does death detonation mean?

[silver breach]

wdym?

[silver breach]

explode on death

[vestal ivy]

the mobs?

[silver breach]

multiple builds can work, it just depends on playstyle and how you set things up

[silver breach]

where are you seeing death detonation?

[amber trench]

Blind Rage is excellent but you do need energy economy to sustain it

[vestal ivy]

in a nightmare mode the game said I should do

[silver breach]

yeah enemies explode on death

[vestal ivy]

wow, thanks tho

[mellow adder]

so far everytime I've tried to put blind rage into a build I get told immediately to take it off, cause its not worth it or not good in whatever context

[eager snow]

bad advice

blind rage is crazy good

[silver breach]

it really just depends on how youve built your loadout, if you have enough energy economy blind rage will be perfectly fine

[amber trench]

They're very wrong ngl

[mellow adder]

on gauss and valkyr?

[silver breach]

equilibrium, equilibrium shards, flow, synth deconstruct, seismic bond, energy generator, nourish, lycaths hunt, etc etc etc etc

there are TONS of ways to circumvent blind rage

[amber trench]

Gauss usually doesn't run blind rage because his stuff doesn't scale well with strength

Valkyr also doesn't need that much strength, usually she mods range for 1 grouping

[mellow adder]

i have weapon platform gauss. thermal transfer mod. hence why strength

[amber trench]

Then you'll want some strength, but duration by far is your most important stat

[winter thistle]

Is there a glitch submission channel? New Duvuri glitch thats really starting to pmo 😭

[mellow adder]

my gauss is fine. he aint why im here rn.

trying to build dante. but once again Im not really finding any kind of straight answer on what to do.

[amber trench]

Dante wants a little bit of Duration and range while pumping strength

Like
A lot of strength

You can either focus on Noctua or caster

[silver breach]

Because making builds isn't always straight forward.

Ok try blind rage, if you're having energy issues, try putting more energy economy, of you're still having issues then remove blind rage

Easy as that

Just use umbral if you don't want blind rage

[mellow adder]

growing power, preparation
primed flow and continuity, transient fort and blind rage, equilibrium, (rolling guard?, energy nexus?, stretch?)

using arcane conc and molt efficiency because that's what i got

that's what im thinking to run

[amber trench]

Both concentration and Molt Efficiency is a bit excessive

Do you have Arcane Impetus?

[silver breach]

Rolling guard is a wasted slot. Dante has infinite overguard

[amber trench]

I can share some tech

[mellow adder]

so streamline then, to slightly counter blind rage

[mellow adder]

not unless you wanna sell it to me

[silver breach]

Yeah that's completely fine imo

[amber trench]

Have you done The Hex?

[mellow adder]

yes

[amber trench]

Impetus is a 1999 arcane
You'll get those r5 really fast as you do weeklies and whatnot

[mellow adder]

im done all main story quests, and now most of the side quests

[amber trench]

Impetus is an eye watering amount of strength with a bonus lump sum of efficiency, if you put Secondary Encumber on Noctua you can get 13 stacks of it

If you don't do a Noctua damage focused setup you can use that

Or do a damage setup working with Encumber

[mellow adder]

hol up. huh? you've lost me.
impetus.
wants you to or doesn't want you to use the noctua?

[amber trench]

Can go either way

Galv shot with Impetus can be a lot of base damage

But if you subsume over Noctua you can do a statstick setup with Encumber and benefit from Impetus anyway with Wordwarden

[mellow adder]

ill use the noctua. i dont have helminth yet to subsume anything.

so use secondary encumber on the noctua?
arcane conc and impetus on dante?

[amber trench]

Something like that

If you don't want to use Impetus you could also just do Molt Augmented but that doesn't give you like 42% efficiency which is a LOT of energy economy

You can do a lot of things with Dante

[opaque musk]

Guys help it's not showing up

[eager snow]

did you let it get downed by infested first?

[opaque musk]

yes

[latent breach]

wouldn't it say like "injured" or smth on the capture screen

[opaque musk]

idk

it also happened with the others

sly and shi

[silver breach]

Just keep In mind that exalteds snapshot your stats, so first you cast Noctua, then stack impetus, then turn off Noctua and recast it. So it gets the strength buffs from impetus

[hasty belfry]

How do I crack open these Deimos Vaults?

[misty cosmos]

You need Dragon Keys,

The blueprints for which can be found in your Orokin lab in a clan dojo

[mellow adder]

OOH! i can run precision intensify or regular intensify with blind rage and transient fort

[misty cosmos]

Yeah!

[mellow adder]

or umbral, archon, etc.
any "intensify"

[misty cosmos]

I discovered recently that Gladiator vice can be comboed with Fury mods as well

[mellow adder]

i need like 2 mil creds. i should max rank umbral intensify

[silver breach]

[misty cosmos]

Gladiator Vice + Berserker Fury is awesome by the way

[misty cosmos]

Me waiting for Kuva Ghoulsaw

And prime afentis (PLEASE)

[hasty belfry]

So the same keys I used for Orokin Vaults?

[mellow adder]

how do i get an umbra forma (this is gonna be a pain isn't it 😭 )

[silver breach]

Uhh wait what other vaults are you talking about?

[floral osprey]

teshin and on the rare ocasion an alert

[misty cosmos]

Wait do you mean Isolation vaults?

[silver breach]

What candy was talking about was the Orokin Vaults

[floral osprey]

theres actually one in teshin right now (150 steel path essence)

[misty cosmos]

There are 2 kinds of vaults on deimos lol

[hasty belfry]

Yep

[silver breach]

Oh you don't need keys for those

You just need to follow otak and loid

And fire at the sequence with your operator

[misty cosmos]

Ok, That's a whole process lol

I'd watch a youtube video on that

[fair ibex]

making limbo finally paid off today using him to orikin vaults

[silver breach]

Um what does limbo do for Orokin vault farming?

[mellow adder]

oh god.
everything i want or need rn is behind a week long grind istg 😭

[fair ibex]

i can just be in the rift with all 4 keys on me while i run round looking for the vault

[hasty belfry]

I mean, I did the bounty and I've had my Operator for a while, just couldn't figure out how to crack the vault

[mellow adder]

I'll have limbo prime in like 3-4 days

[floral osprey]

@mellow adder feel free to use or change as much as you want from stuff but this is some of the stuff ive put together, arcane imputus is definetly an option as well but this is the stuff i use for archamedia and it works out well enough in there

[fair ibex]

im honestly not very good with him in regular stuff tbh lol

[floral osprey]

you dont need energy siphon but i personally like it because it gives a worse case scenario backup for if i run outa energy at any point

[hasty belfry]

Love Energy Siphon

[floral osprey]

tbh its not that great, but in archamedias i dont really need anything else so its a nice backup to make sure stuff doesnt hit a wall

between my dethcube pumping out energy and equilibrium more than not its not needed but when your on no shields and companion dead being able to run into a corner to get some energy to get some overguard can make or break some runs

[oblique sequoia]

How about Energy Nexus?

[floral osprey]

its definetly better but the fact that it takes up a mod slot and not even an exilus slot makes it not always the best in slot option

[oblique sequoia]

Hmmm yeah, that's true. I didn't think about that

[floral osprey]

like its basically just that there is just more compitition for mods then there tends to be slots for energy nexus

[strong field]

Ooo what's the topic here?

[oblique sequoia]

Especially with some Augment Mods

[floral osprey]

dante doesnt really have any augment mods but his kit is also good enough to not really have any good subsume options

[strong field]

Ooo Dante

[oblique sequoia]

That reminds me, does subsuming over Noctua remove it from being moddable?

[floral osprey]

i dont (you should still be able to mod it) belive so because i belive the 2 - 3 - 4 combo still gives it to yourself and others and it should still maintain its mods

[strong field]

What melee is the best for SP? Like... All of my Melee are bad tbh....

[oblique sequoia]

I like the Hate Incarnon a lot

Especially with the augment

[daring parrot]

Which melees do you have

[floral osprey]

melee influence

[strong field]

Skiajati, SunMoon, Xoris, Falcor, Skana (I have the Incarnon but not installed yet), Nikana base, Zenistar, and Arca Tetron

[strong field]

Doesn't really work for most part tbh

[daring parrot]

Xoris is insanely good

[oblique sequoia]

Gonna test that out. Thanks! I have Arcane Concentration and Impetus on Dante bc the Noctua triggers Impetus up to 13 stacks on the best times

[strong field]

Idk how to mod him without wrathful advance tbh

And Gave up on it, same with Falcor

[oblique sequoia]

Xoris was my go-to Melee for so long until I discovered the Quassus. And now I style on them with my fabulous fans

[floral osprey]

to be blunt, there are a lot of weapons that are able to be used on steel path and the only thing that makes or breaks them is basically the mods and arcanes you put on them

[floral osprey]

i mean it really does, and its quite broken at that

its undoubtedly the best arcane in the game currently

[oblique sequoia]

And synergies, too. For example, if you mod an Epitaph for status chance and blast radius, you can get a lot of mileage from Condition Overload on your Melee

[strong field]

Hmmm how tho?????

[copper veldt]

i don't know if it's uncommon or not, but my companion having more health than me is pretty comical in my opinion

[floral osprey]

20m aoe that spreads ALL statuses

[idle fossil]

fairly common depending on your mods. i have a kubrow that pairs with my hildryn that regularly tops 15k shields

[floral osprey]

and i belive it also does some goofy math as well that basically just results in if given a few seconds any melee with influince can nuke a room

[strong field]

Oh....?

[strong field]

It's normal in most part

[floral osprey]

anyways tho one of atleast my favourite weapons i use though is the xoris, ive done a bunch of build testing stuff so i have way to much forma in here + an arcane, tbh just swap the riven for smthn like primed pressure point or smthn and this can just ahnialate entire rooms

[strong field]

...... Riven......

[floral osprey]

"just swap the riven for smthn like primed pressure point"

tbh the riven isnt a god roll or anything so it probably just makes it flat out worse then if i used primed pressure point

[oblique sequoia]

You can definitely get by without using Rivens in SP. Plenty of strong mods out there

[floral osprey]

i mean aside from weapons that arent very strong, any of the "meta" weapons or "off meta" weapons are almost always strong enough to do litterely any content in game, even stuff like level cap

the way i would reccomend looking at rivens is they are nice to have, can enable fun builds, and can allow you to do some goofy stuff. BUT they are almost never needed for a build to be usable unless the weapon is truely that bad

[silver breach]

You said all your melees are bad, and yet you listed all good weapons

[strong field]

Deadass?

[silver breach]

Deadass

[strong field]

Guess I have skill issue in modding them

Fck

[floral osprey]

xoris and falcor are like probably the next in line for face of the glaive weapon type right behind the glaive prime

[eager snow]

do you have prisma skana? I would put it on that. baro has it rn if you dont

[floral osprey]

tbh the xoris and glaive are imop better then the glaive prime since jade shadows

[silver breach]

Most melee weapons are good. Plus most of them practically build the exact same

Outside slam and glaive builds

[strong field]

So.. Skiajati is good if not using heavy attacks?

[silver breach]

Legit just slap on melee influence (derogatory) and most melee weapons will clear rooms

[eager snow]

if you're going to do a non glaive from those options I would do prisma skana with your incarnon adapter

[floral osprey]

i would also reccomend looking into getting the orthos prime, while it doesnt have an incarnon it is still quite a fun weapon that is quite good

[strong field]

.... :/

Hmmmm

[broken surge]

is it a good thing that immediately after hitting hex rank 4 all the main hex relationship status go to trusted? or is that scripted

[floral osprey]

i would reccomend using this build for the xoris, if you dont have the primed mods swap them with their non primed counterparts, swap reflex for corrupt charge, blood rush for organ shatter and galv steel for sacraficial steel (or true steel ig)

change the rank of whirlwind to whatever you feel the most comfertable with and then have fun

idk how much forma this would or would not need tho

doesnt have the riven and probably preforms better tbh

teachnically using power throw is better but that requires some stuff thats a little weird to explain and tbh not entirelly needed unless trying to take it that extra mile

[silver breach]

This is the first time I'm seeing primed reach on a glaive

[floral osprey]

thats suppose to be primed pressure point

[silver breach]

Oh ok

You don't have it?

[floral osprey]

they look very similar and were right next to eachother

same mod cost and everything 😭

[silver breach]

[floral osprey]

there we go

[silver breach]

I've personally got rid of pressure point on all my glaives since killing blow is also additive base damage

I like to slot in something else

[floral osprey]

true however if your not gona use power throw then it doesnt really hurt that much

[silver breach]

Yeah it's just preference

[floral osprey]

like im prty sure everything is alrdy on there atleast once so its just rolling a die to pick something to go addative with

[silver breach]

That is true, but imo base damage is the easiest one to get more of.

I personally like putting weeping wounds or glad might

[strong field]

I'll read this again after I fix my atlas problem

[floral osprey]

eh glad might with galv reflex is like i think all of like 5% more crit chance and then some more crit damage

[strong field]

@strong field

[floral osprey]

and weeping wounds isnt really neeeded since its alrdy doing force eletric

[silver breach]

Depends on the glaive. Each has has different crit chance.

[floral osprey]

oh? and what problem is that for my goat atlas?

[floral osprey]

true, xoris tho base crit is like 20% so while it might be better on some others aside from the crit dmg the crit chance isnt really doing much

[silver breach]

Yep yep

[strong field]

They always use Atlas for one punch man but I want Atlas to be a summoner... A Golem caster

Like when he summons a Golem and the golem fight with him with a huge punch

That's the problem

[idle fossil]

ah, a golemancer

[floral osprey]

ah unfortuantly from what i recall the best way to use the golems is to become the golem

[strong field]

Yeah but I don't want that

I want the golem to be useful

THAT'S the reason I want Atlas in the first place but I don't see anyone doing it so heah

[floral osprey]

out side of becoming a golem i dont really thing they end up doing a whole lot aside from having enemies shoot at them instead of you

[strong field]

I felt disappointed

[burnt ore]

How's this fire rate on mesa?

[floral osprey]

tbh i would love for atlas to get a touch up for specifically his 2, 4, and his passive but untill then rumblers probably arent gona be all to great

[strong field]

Aww

Yeah I'll focus on getting Hydroid instead

[floral osprey]

if your wanting to do stuff with summons the best frames for that would probably be uriel or caliban tbh

[strong field]

Cool

[burnt ore]

I mean atlas got a heavy buff when exalted weapons became modable

[strong field]

Caliban is there have him already, it's just I want specifically Atlas but yeah

It's OK I'll just not buy atlas tbh

[still wyvern]

The rumblers can benefit from arcane camisado at the very least

[floral osprey]

100% but the problem is exalted weapons being modable didnt change the fact his 2 is basically all but usless, his 4 is just a distraction, and his rubble is very picky in how high it wants you to keep it for the benifits of rubble heap

[burnt ore]

Yea it didnt chamge those

I know it didnt

[floral osprey]

tbh the best use for rumblers is to spam the ability to cause them to drop their rubble on death

[strong field]

So yeah imma just focus on getting Cedo and Hydroid Prime

[burnt ore]

3 +1 is better on getting rubble

[floral osprey]

absolutly, wasnt out of the question, its just the rumblers basically arent that good for anything other than their on death rubble and if it werent for how awful the 2 is the 4 is the next in line for the choping block

[burnt ore]

Fair

[floral osprey]

atlas is 2 abilities + a subsume and rumblers

[burnt ore]

Yep atlas needs 2 and 4 tweaked

[still wyvern]

in the case of an atlas rework I don't think they could get rid of the rumblers, but better scaling would be fantastic

[floral osprey]

would love to see that but please DE rework chroma

[burnt ore]

You mean not nerf chroma?

[still wyvern]

newer summons have started scaling off of enemy level which could be the move?

[strong field]

Hydroid probably the next one

[still wyvern]

hydroid had a decent rework already

[strong field]

I want to find a cheap Hydroid Prime....

[floral osprey]

arcane persistence basically made chroma the vex armour warframe + a subsume, the rest of his kit is basically useless outside of profit taker credit farming which i personally wouldnt really call a use case for keeping it

[strong field]

Like.... Oh wait I cannot do it here tbh

[burnt ore]

Its like every time I see chroma its been nerfed somehow some way

Unlike someome AHEM frost who De Glazes

sry small keyboard i on phone and it like half my screen

[still wyvern]

Long before arcane persistence Chroma was still only 2 real abilities

[silver breach]

Oraxias scuttlers don't scale off enemy level iirc. They scale off mission level. So even if enemies are at level 9999, the scuttlers are gonna remain at like 150-200

[floral osprey]

they did kinda buff chroma iirc with the change to vex armour due to overguard

[still wyvern]

ahh I see

[floral osprey]

100%, you dont even need elemental ward anymore

[still wyvern]

I don't think it was due to overguard, they just made it so you can stack vex armour from killing enemies

and then they touched up one of his augments to be actually good instead of a death sentence

[strong field]

What's elemental ward?

[floral osprey]

i thought that they did that change though because of overguard preventing vex armour from scaling because it didnt count as shield or health damage.

as far as augments yea guardian armour long story short makes vex armour last forever as long as you keep killing and heals you while your at it

[still wyvern]

maybe, tbh

old guardian armour was so bad, why would they think redirecting damage from allies as TRUE damage was a good idea

[floral osprey]

you can rotate it during mission with your 1 but have it also pre set using energy colors, you use to use cold ward + vex armour to get a bunch of armour and not die

however with arcane persistence making it where you only need 700 armour (vex armour gives you a ton of armour alrdy on top of with all 3 umbral mods you sit at a base 1260 armour) which basically made it invalid because you dont need to stack tons of armour to not die anymore

[floral osprey]

yea its honestly the only good augment he has currently the other stuff is all like "your ability can do a free 500 flat damage :D" and then you watch it tickle steel path enemies for next to nothing

[strong field]

Elemental ward is 1?

[floral osprey]

its his 2, his 1 is basically a short aoe infront of him that limits you to melee iirc

it doesnt do enough damage to be worth using, it doesnt even make you actually use your melee its some weird stuff where it inherits your melees stats but i dont think it inherits the trait of the weapon or smthn like that

not to mention his passive is legit just "you can triple jump instead of double jump"

[strong field]

Ah that's the breath right?

[floral osprey]

actually mb, you can bullet jump twice and triple jump, which still isnt that good considering you have frames like uriel with 3 whole minions as his pasive

[still wyvern]

I actually kinda like his passive, opens up some cool parkour options not available for other frames

[floral osprey]

yea

[floral osprey]

yea its cool and all untill you see the frames that couldnt do the parkour zoom by in operator mode 😭

[still wyvern]

yknow they're probably holding off on a chroma rework because it might require touching up the new strange quest

I can't remember how integral chroma's abilities are to the quest

[misty cosmos]

I’m quite fond of this hammer

[floral osprey]

i cant either but i also remember a friend doing it and chroma showed up and then got 1 shotted by me playing chroma

also for anyone wondering this is the build i use for chroma, i use koumei's subsume over the 4
(i also run 5 tau orange shards for crit chance but thats because some secondaries like the toxycist and sicarrus are quite funny with a ton of crit chance but the shards are 100% not needed)

[errant creek]

Hmu if anyone want to trade the faction archwing weapon parts, i need veil, loka, and perrin. I can trade steel, cephalon, and hexis

[lofty garden]

You should go on a faction tour

[errant creek]

wdym?

[floral osprey]

coda motavor is a little bugged

[pale cloud]

What would you guys think of this augment concept? 🤔

[sullen sleet]

ty cephalon syphilis

[gray bluff]

got a nice riven reroll on my dread i think

at least looking at the current overframe build im working on

its got cold and ~200% crit

no downsides

works out for me, and can slot in for a mod that has similar crit up, but a downside

[lofty garden]

You just work through every faction and collect all their exclusive items

[errant creek]

That sounds like pain and suffering i don't want to deal with rn cause im at max negative from all 3 factions im not allied with rn

[lofty garden]

as it is trivial to be positive with four, seems a poor choice

in your case, you can max standing with red veil via steel meridian and not negatively impact arbiters or suda, though this isn’t ideal as arbiter/suda only have two exclusive warframe augment sets, limbo and mirage.

[sacred elbow]

How bad is it farming for nokko? I’ve never enjoyed the open world stuff personally

[wanton sorrel]

how good is protea compaired to oraxia and uriel

[lofty garden]

nokko farming is fine. getting to rank 5 with nightcap takes a bit, but you don’t need rank 5 for Nokko

[sacred elbow]

How long did it take you?

[lofty garden]

first nokko? pretty quick. probably just a few hours of farming.

[sacred elbow]

Oh not bad! Thanks for the info

[lofty garden]

there is a pity system, and you can dissolve excess mushrooms for fergolyte

[daring parrot]

I forget if the materials require open world but his bounties arent open world

Its a new tileset

[lofty garden]

he requires orb vallis materials and fish parts

[lilac chasm]

Mag pull... doesn't pull

[lilac chasm]

Protea is extremely self sufficient with 0 build-up req

[worthy comet]

Well that doesn't sound right

[lofty garden]

pulls enemies, not drops. drops is an augment

[lilac chasm]

No. It just knocks down enemies

[uneven panther]

Anyone want grendel? im about to start going for his parts almost have enough vitus for 2 if someone can grab 3rd

[lilac chasm]

It's bugged

[uneven panther]

report it

[lilac chasm]

I did. But it's also been posted. Looks like since dante

[grizzled reef]

I wanna appreciate the weapon designs in missions but they always get blocked by my character is there a way to actually change that? :((

[uneven panther]

ive ran into a bug a few times now and one time the match started like that but where I cant swap off my melee, my secondary gets stuck in the other hand and I cant use it again until mission is passed and I join another one usually happens when swapping from torid to melee or vise versa

[lilac chasm]

Ok? This makes pull useless. Every time.

[uneven panther]

so I take it its a known issue then??

[lilac chasm]

That's what I'm seeing

[uneven panther]

I figured out when it happens, hopefully that will help with a solution but if I am going incarnon in or out and swap to my Xoris thats usually when it happens, ill make a ticket and put in what ive noticed

[cinder terrace]

can I ask how do you guys play dagath? I dont really get how her skills work

[strong field]

use her augment, keep killing.

[cinder terrace]

augment? What's that? Sorry Im new to the game

[strong field]

oh

youre a bit early to get dagath ngl but its aight

[cinder terrace]

I got her cause they were giving her out for free

her parts I mean to build her

[strong field]

ooh they did?

[tall pebble]

how do people do this

obligatory the war within spoilers

[strong field]

Patience

[cinder terrace]

they did hence why Im asking how she's played cause she's my 4th new warframe

[eager snow]

Press 2, spread it with 1, press 4, keep 3 up. As a new player just use all the basic mods (intensify, equilibrium, stretch, continuity)

Her 1 and 4 put Viral on everything (damage multiplier), her 4 removes shields/armor and does a lot of damage. 4 should wreck everything in normal path with basic mods tbh

Also use natural talent if you get it, cast speed mod

[chilly nebula]

is ability strength needed for brimstone or will ability range and duration be better?

[cinder terrace]

how do you manage your energy economy if assuming you use your skills with every enemy you encounter? Or is the use of her abilities depends?

[strong field]

Shi anything tbh

[eager snow]

Equilibrium and her passive... Honestly I've never played her outside having good energy economy and steel path density so hard to say

[strong field]

Either way it'll proc so much base on how much the Enemy health is

[silver breach]

you just gotta keep testing the build to see how you prefer it tbh

[strong field]

Actually, someone should fact check it

Does it really proc base on how much enemy health is?

It proc so much heat when it's more enemy health there is... But it's less... It's less as well

[eager snow]

Use zenurik for sure, and streamline and any other energy economy tools you might have (synth deconstruct?)

[chilly nebula]

Okay thanks for the help

[lilac chasm]

Watch it's pattern. Go when it's furthest from your path. Stand on stones to not get eaten

[strong field]

Like ANY Uriel lovers... I need that to fact check bc that is whats happening in my Uriel before I subsume him

The higher the enemy health (not level), the more it procs heat...

I don't wanna spread misinformation so fact check it

[wanton sorrel]

whats the best miscellaneous

[silver breach]

what?

miscellaneous what?

[wanton sorrel]

guns

[strong field]

Huh????

Miscellaneous guns?

mycelium?

[silver breach]

miscellaneous guns?

what does that mean?

[strong field]

bro got us thinking

[silver breach]

are you talking about filler weapons just to put into your loadout?

[silver breach]

I mean just pick whatever weapon you like using

[strong field]

Damn that thing exist

[wanton sorrel]

guns that change into melee..

[silver breach]

theres only 1 gun like that

[strong field]

Gun blades?

I sure do love to smack people with opticor

[silver breach]

Vinquibus

[silver breach]

those arent guns that turn into melee. Those are melees that are able to shoot

[strong field]

I mean I know of 3 but there is 1 of the 3 that is officially a bayonet

so basiccally guns that dont fit into any of the categories?

[strong field]

I guess so

[silver breach]

does he mean spearguns?

[strong field]

Bc I was about to say Corufell hahahahah

im biased to say miter because oneeshotting the nully bubbles is nice

[strong field]

Wait is Vinqui even good gun?

its a good gun. not so much of a good melee

[silver breach]

theres a very large spectrum one what people consider "good"

[strong field]

Ahh... Damn... Hmm

its a good gun for acuity. thats it

[strange ice]

yes peak

[strong field]

Don't hahaha

[strange ice]

i'm not joking bro =((

[strong field]

Multi shot?

you can go ms

but then any other gun woulda been better with ms ngl

[strong field]

Fck that's true

[strange ice]

Acuity + the sound effect of vinqui just make it so peak

[strong field]

Hmm I don't believe in peak guns bc there aren't peak guns here

Good and better guns but I don't believe that there is a peak gun

Anyways

[strong field]

What about Higasa tho?

theyd probably be similar

[strong field]

Oh huh.... Good for Acuity but meh in ms?

I still prefer vinq

[strong field]

Fair but Burston is better than Vinqui if Acuity, no? (I think it's given bc of the fact that it has Incarnon)

most incarnons are just better in general so yeh

Fair point

[strong field]

But cedo tho???? Muehehehe

Anyways I guess that conclude my suspicions on Vinqui

I prefer bubo than cedo

[strange ice]

Incarnon is just really busted. They deserve their own tier because no normal ones can compete it

[silver breach]

that comparison is just plain unfair

its like comparing a mudhut to a mansion

[strong field]

Nah I wanna gun that fits Perfectly for Vauban... Since I can't access tenet guns, Cedo is better

[strong field]

Yeah I noticed that hahahahah

bubo isnt a tenet tho

[strong field]

That's true hahaha

[strong field]

I know, it's an arm cannon, but same thing

I'll just go Cedo

[oblique sequoia]

Is 208.5% melee damage worth it on a Venato Riven?

[strange ice]

u need to post the full riven bro

[silver breach]

depends on the rest of the statz

[strange ice]

what abt the other stats ?

[silver breach]

we need the ENTIRE context

[oblique sequoia]

107.3 cold

That's both of them

[strange ice]

nope

[strong field]

Just post the picture hahaga

[strange ice]

not worth it

[strong field]

Oh wait that's it?

[oblique sequoia]

I'm on steam deck, it's a hassle to get screenshots XD

[strong field]

Hahahah fair fair

[silver breach]

context: Condition Overload can easily get 2-3x more base damage than that

[oblique sequoia]

I guess I'm keeping the 143.8 Puncture and 121.9 cold for potential Melee Doughty shenanigans

[strong field]

mfw one diriga shock gives me +560%

[oblique sequoia]

Holy hell

[strong field]

with momentous you can get more too

[strong field]

Oh wait....... HOLD On does a driga procs so much than Nautilus with Verglas in it?

[strange ice]

Diriga is the best primer bro

[strong field]

no idea

[strange ice]

it has innate eletricity

[strong field]

I just like diriga for always proccing on enemies right before I slash them

[strong field]

Ooooo I have the base Diriga tho, would that be OK?

[strange ice]

yeah since there's no prime version of it

[oblique sequoia]

Ok, the crit damage looks nice but idk if this is the way

[silver breach]

Diriga will never get a prime version because it's a Grineer sentinel.

[strong field]

Diriga has no prime?????

[strange ice]

left

[eager snow]

Diriga or Hound usually work out to be the best for it

[silver breach]

It's Grineer

It's never getting a prime

[strong field]

W-what does it have to do with the prime???? XDDDDDDDDD

[eager snow]

It does have some cool skins

[silver breach]

Primes are for tenno gear

Kuva for Grineer

Tenet for corpus

Coda for infested

[strange ice]

Because Logan Paul hates grineer

[strong field]

Fck that Bih hahahaha

[silver breach]

The upgraded versions are faction based

[strong field]

OHHHHHHHHHHH

[oblique sequoia]

Yeah, I'm not cycling this anymore. I actually really like doing blast + toxin with Primary Blight on this one

[strong field]

I KNEW SMTH IS UP WITH THAT!!!!

[silver breach]

Bro

[strong field]

Ay I've been playing for 6 months, I don't know ANYTHING about it hahahaha

[silver breach]

Besides just because something isn't primed/or upgraded, it doesn't mean it's bad

[strong field]

I guess, I got the broken mentality of "other versions, better"

The other veteran mentality

[eager snow]

If it isn't primed or upgraded but has an augment look out

[rugged shore]

Really varies per weapon, some upgrades are just moderate stat increase and others make or break weapons

[strong field]

Yeah I guess so

[silver breach]

So let's make an example; So you're just not gonna use Diriga just because it doesn't have a prime version? When it's literally the best primer companion in the game?

It's better than the prime sentinels.

[rugged shore]

I do that with frames tbf

If its not prime its helminth food

[silver breach]

Looking at primes as the end all be all thing in this game is a very broken mindset

[strong field]

Yeah that's the thing, I was broken... Bc I ask the vets for it and I just got it that way

[silver breach]

That's understandable if there's a prime version out.

You can't tell me you won't use koumei, nokko, Uriel, oraxia, Voruna, kullervo, jade, etc etc just because they don't have primes

[strange ice]

Ew even if Koumei has a prime version i still don't use her

[silver breach]

Opinion ignored

[strong field]

Fax

[strange ice]

Ignored opnion ignored: Koumei's bad

[eager snow]

Has baro ever had that koumei login music

[silver breach]

Ok that's number 2, damn I'm raking some numbers now

[strong field]

koumei chaaan haiiiii nani ga sukiiii choco mintoh

[silver breach]

Yeah he has

[strong field]

Hahahah idk what bad with Koumei aside her 2 (2 for the fact that it's additional quest and I don't like it... That's all)

[eager snow]

I need it, goated login music

[rugged shore]

Thats exactly what im saying lmao

Just gonna be patient and wait some years LOL

This game needs a system similiar to valence fusion to allow you to move investment from variants of an item to another

[silver breach]

I'm gonna need you to clarify, so you won't use those frames?

[rugged shore]

Insta helminth

[silver breach]

Ah ok

That's fine then

[floral osprey]

fun fact, koumei's subsume where it has a chance to make attacks heal you instead is applied after arcane persistence

aka its only good if you have a lot of ability strength with arcane persistence

[silver breach]

How would you implement knowing that some primes have additional polarities?

[rugged shore]

Let you choose what to move and what not to move i suppose

[eager snow]

Consumable that lets you forma x times and unlocks Exilus / potato

Destroys frame, no helminth

[strong field]

What does Koumei's 3 scale off?

[jovial solstice]

I also just wait for primes for full investment, though I don't feed the normals to Helminth.
On Helminth ones, I do make a copy just for that purpose.

[rugged shore]

Frankly im drained out of resources by investing in variant versions alone

Don't have it in me to invest on stuff that's going to be replaced later down the line, I don't play hardcore enough to have all that extra lying around

[strong field]

What would happen if you subsume the same frame while already having one subsumed already?

[floral osprey]

strength and technically efficiency for casting cost

[strong field]

Or helminth, idk the term

[jovial solstice]

It won't let you.

[silver breach]

It's gonna take years down the line for them to get replaced. By the time their primes arrive, you're gonna have enough resources to invest in the new stuff anyways

[strong field]

Ohhhh........ So what's the highest it can heal?

[strong field]

Oh aight, migjt as well delete Nekros bc I already has his subsume

[silver breach]

I just believe that if you want to play the frame, just play the frame regardless of prime or not

[floral osprey]

depends on the strength as you can get some egregious amounts of strength

[rugged shore]

By the time primes arrives new non prime stuff will exist, the cycle is endless

Im still investing resources regularly, im simply only doing that in variant versions, not like im running out soon

[floral osprey]

but it seems to scale 1:1 with strength

[strong field]

I have 40% on Str for Vauban but plus 100 Str on Molt augmented

[floral osprey]

aka at 300% strength it will heal for 3x the amount of the damage

dont put it on vaubon

use augur mods / breif respite

[strange ice]

eventually u will start invest in those non prime bro. Trust me lolz

[jovial solstice]

-# just to show the icon that displays, in the image, I have Temple equipped

[strong field]

Oh,I still yet to do that but it's just for comfy tbh

Like... I feel comfortable with it

[floral osprey]

you would use koumei's 3 for frames that want to use their hp to tank (especially because arcane persistence is busted asf), but for frames that want to sling spells and abilities cough cough vaubon, you want to use breif respite or the augur mods to generate shields based on the amount of energy spent to cast the abilities

[silver breach]

Are going health tank Vauban?

[eager snow]

Omamori overflows into shields too

[strong field]

In a sense, quite of both

I have shield gate and it tanks his health

[floral osprey]

does it?

[eager snow]

Yeah it's op. One of the best defensives in the game

Try it on Mirage

[strong field]

I didn't even know that, I just use it bc it tanks hahahaha

[silver breach]

Omamori is definitely amazing defensive QoL

[floral osprey]

i dont think it actually says that on the in game description does it?

[eager snow]

Probably not

[strong field]

Reason why I use it in.... Vaubs

[silver breach]

You become immune for a duration everytime a stack procs.

And stacks have a 50% proc chance. And you're getting hit by a billion bullets

[eager snow]

In game descriptions are notoriously lacking

[floral osprey]

eh, especially with the vaubon rework imop theres not an emedietly best option to subsume off assuming his 1 is a lot better

[eager snow]

Gotta read the wiki page for basically any Warframe ability made after 2022 or whatever

[strong field]

I am grateful I use Omamori on Vaubs.....

[sullen sleet]

Omamori vs Eclipse damage reduction

[floral osprey]

DR is dead

[rugged shore]

3 is still the easy subsume button

[silver breach]

I'm taking Omamori any day over eclipse DR

[strong field]

Still subsuming 3 but I might make an another config where his 3 is there

[sullen sleet]

dam 😔

[floral osprey]

getting rid of the orbital strike is sacrilegious

the "womp womp its your problem now" ability is so great

[strong field]

Did I make the right call on using Omamori on Vaubs? Hahahaha

[silver breach]

It just depends on playstyle

[strong field]

Frost and Loki is good... Makes me immortal tbh

[sullen sleet]

nyx, limbo, mag, nekros, nova, frost, loki all the primes i need left

[rugged shore]

Vauban is spammy as hell so shield gating is a given, could try to health tank but that's a bunch of extra investment

[floral osprey]

i mean tbh the best thing to do is probably brief respite augur mod gate but if your not a huge fan of shield gating then its not a horible option but imop smthn like nokkos ability is probablym ore worth while for the energy and strength

[grizzled reef]

Is there a date for the old peace yet?

[strange ice]

wut

[eager snow]

December whatever 2025

Unless you mean the next update

[floral osprey]

alrdy released

[sullen sleet]

never coming, sorry

canceled

[grizzled reef]

Oh Im washed I meant the tau

[strong field]

I kinda use him as a literal cc, that's why I like him, though yes he can kill and potentially nuke with his 3 but yeah, cc with added damage

[strange ice]

dang till December 2025??? it's too long i can't wait. Wf is dead

[floral osprey]

late 2026 prolly around december or smthn

[strong field]

That's true... Spamming 2 is a good thing and his 4 hahahahaha

[glossy violet]

no peace. forever war. Aldis was a narmer veil hallucination

[silver breach]

If youre using him for CC then I don't really see the point in Omamori since you won't be hit anyway

[strong field]

Eh sometimes I do

[floral osprey]

i mean with duration you dont really spam your 2 or 4 (especially with the rework caping the number of your 3 at a given time in bastiel mode)

[strong field]

It's Jusy a comfy build... Like a sure build I won't die easilu

[floral osprey]

i think my 2 lasts for like close to a minute and a half

[strong field]

Damn my 2 lasts 58 sec onky

[floral osprey]

might be thinking of my octavia abilities icl

[strong field]

How do you guys do that? What are your builds for Vaubs?

[silver breach]

I have lazy gating on mine

[strong field]

I am focused on no damage, 200+ range, positive efficiency and 200+ durstion

[strong field]

Fast Deflection and Arcane Aegis? (I need to get an r5 arcane Aegis tbh)

[silver breach]

Fast Deflection and Vigilante vigor

[floral osprey]

2 tau duration 2 tau casting speed basically i just make death hallways with flechet and vortexes that dont expire then go walk away from the computer for a minute come back and recast them

probably could pop an equilibrium shard in just for the sake of it as well

[strong star]

I can keep running the same bounties right? What stops the rewards or the standing points?

[floral osprey]

you can keep getting rewards but standing is capped at a set amount based on your mastery rank and it resets each day

ie if you have a cap of 20k standing you can farm 20k standing each day

[strong star]

From the same bounty?

[floral osprey]

yes

[strong star]

Okay thank you very much

[strong field]

Ohhh no Vigilant Vigor?

[silver breach]

Wdym no vigilante vigor? I said I'm using that

[strong field]

Fck arcane Aegis?

[silver breach]

Lamooo

[strong field]

Sorry quite busy counting financials

[silver breach]

That too

Have all 3

[strong field]

Ah okie

[silver breach]

Having ONLY fast deflection and aegis only works for gauss since he has innate recharge delay

For every other frame, they need both Vigilante vigor and fast deflection

[strong field]

What's your build for Vauban with those?

How much range you have?

[silver breach]

Aegis only gives recharge rate

[silver breach]

Just 145. I only have archon stretch

[strong field]

Oh ehaaaat? But more durstion?

[silver breach]

I look at the numbers on the skill. The range for vortex/Bastille is more than enough

Also having too much range can be bad. Like you could get enemies stuck on walls

Making defense missions a hassle

Just depends

[strong field]

Ohhhhh

[silver breach]

lemme just login and check my build

besides you wont really need that much range too, since you can have multiples of Vauban's grenades on field

[strong field]

And here I thought I am doing good with Vaubs hahahhaha

[silver breach]

wdym?

if youre having fun with 200% range

then more power to you

theres no right or wrong way

its more about building for what you want/need

[strong field]

Maybe... Its just never really thought of that hahahaah

[woeful zinc]

also tried playing netracells public, why are people so rude man

usually run it solo but decided to play with people today

[glossy violet]

how bad was it

i run netracells solo bc i run evade harrow 💔 he'd fall tf off with no enemies

[woeful zinc]

dude i just told him to say in the circle and im running nova

and he told me "dont tell me what to do" and pmed me after the mission

i usually run nova solo and decided to be nice and help it for other people

[silver breach]

its how it goes for build crafting

[woeful zinc]

dont think people was this rude back then

[silver breach]

theres a reason why theres multiple different builds for people

[woeful zinc]

idk never really encountered them

[strong field]

I'll try it after this money counting shit hahahh

[silver breach]

I legit never found anyone rude even until now. I exclusively play public

[woeful zinc]

yea same unless it's netracells. ive played this game for a while but i play on and off

everyone is usually so chill

[strong field]

Yeah, I mean had someone told me I was griefing bc I was doing excavations a bit slower than usual in Arbitrations hahahaaha

[silver breach]

I was mistaken, the lazy shield gating was my old build where i was weapon platforming

im just regular shield gating with this

[strong field]

Hold what subsume is that?

[silver breach]

nullstar

from nova

[strong field]

Nova's 1??????

[silver breach]

i forget

[strong field]

the orb thingy?

Like the one that shoots towards enemies

[silver breach]

yeah

[strong field]

BRO I NEVER THOUGHT OF THAT!!!!

Imma farm base mova

[eager snow]

I've tried neutron star + null star + hot shot on a few frames. It's fun to get funny crit #s at least

[silver breach]

yeah i specifically love it on vauban, since Flachette gets buffed the same way Nullstar does, so Hotshot buffs both Nullstar and Flachette Orb

[red path]

I use that on a lot of frames, and with augment too

[eager snow]

Yeah they're both like pseudo weapons or w/e

[silver breach]

Nullstar is great offensively and has defensive utility as well

[red path]

I love using it with oraxia, makes it pseudo-nuking

[silver breach]

note that this build isnt finished yet. I only have 2 casting speed shards on here. I can still put in 3 other shards

[gusty turtle]

Yeah, coded as weapon attacks for the purposes of receiving universal buffs

I personally like Pyrotechnics more on Vauban thanks to them hitting ragdolled enemies multiple times and him being the god of ragdolls

[silver breach]

I might go 1 equilibrium shard ngl, so I can replace equilibrium for something else

[gusty turtle]

2 Equilibrium shards

[silver breach]

and might go like 2 strength shards. I dont think going more duration is gonna benefit me. Vauban likes to spam skills anyway. Whats the use of his skills lasting longer, if youre gonna replace them whenever you cast anyway lol

[silver breach]

ok 2 equi shards is on the docket

[white plume]

Hey guys I was wondering is Uriel better than Wukong?

[strong field]

Nullstar has DR right? Or smth?

[silver breach]

yes it does

[silver breach]

directly comparing frames that do very different things is very very hard to quantify

theres no straight answer to this

[strong field]

Bro if I can just subsume her prime, I would've done kt

Where is Nova again?

[woeful zinc]

i like uriel cuz his 4th makes my screen go colour

[tired smelt]

Hello yet again.

[woeful zinc]

raptor

europa

[serene thicket]

Can someone explain how silent weapons work? If I'm playing cyte-09 does it make sense to use hush on my guns?

[eager snow]

Nova is my favorite Warframe 🙁

[gusty turtle]

No, because Evade doesn't break

[woeful zinc]

i love her!

[gusty turtle]

Evade doesn't break from guns but instead maintianed by weak spot deaths

[serene thicket]

So silent weapons are just about breaking invis?

[gusty turtle]

Yeah

[serene thicket]

They don't affect enemy AI?

[gusty turtle]

And not alerting enemies

[glossy violet]

loud weapons alert enemies

[serene thicket]

But if I'm dropping bodies with big fat blast procs does the gun being silent or loud matter

Or does it still affect how the AI responds

[eager snow]

I use a Sybaris Incarnon with hush on Ivara

[glossy violet]

if there's any enemies left alive theyll be alerted to the damage
else, enemies are alerted by: 1) seeing you 2) hearing gunshots 3) seeing a dead body

other than that you should be fine but don't quote me on that

[silver breach]

besides, Silence has a much more important effect where it stops enemies from using their abilities

[strong field]

Sorryyyyy

It's just I haven't used Nova for aong time

[eager snow]

She's very fun, on top of being one of the best generalists for annoying SP missions you might have to do solo like interception etc

One of the only warframes that speeds up missions significantly

[woeful zinc]

^ like netracells!

[strong field]

Is Raptor easy to beat? Possibly bc I have my Guns and Vauban

Guess I'll farm Nova now while waiting for the update

[eager snow]

Surely yes. Is that the one where you throw the things in the tubes

[red path]

it's pretty easy, yes it is

[strong field]

Tubes????

[woeful zinc]

yes you have to throw it

theres like a power thingy

[strong field]

Ohhhh!!!! Like in a hole or smth right?

[woeful zinc]

yes

[eager snow]

Yeah there is like three large solos or holes

[woeful zinc]

with that net looking thing

[silver breach]

youre not actually fighting a boss

youre just gonna throw canisters into a pipe lol

[tired smelt]

Lyon is starting to like me 😃

[strong field]

Hmmm the fact I forgot this Assassination is so weird hahahaha

[red path]

boss drop special thing, you need to pick it up, go on top of tube and switch guns to drop pickup

[strong field]

Is it endless?

[silver breach]

no

[woeful zinc]

nope u have to destroy it

[silver breach]

just need to blow up 3 pipes

[woeful zinc]

^

[blissful moon]

does someone know why my epitaph feels so slow?

[woeful zinc]

also u should watch out for invasion, he's usually there

[strong field]

And then one of them is just one of her parts just pops up right?

[woeful zinc]

might as well get a detonite, mutagen, or fieldron while youre at it

[tired smelt]

Who here has a corvas stock?

[strong field]

Detonite, yeah I need to craft Ignis hahahaha

[tired smelt]

I need it.

[sullen sleet]

Do Valkyr and Nyx relics appear in grineer railjack or Corpus derelicts

[woeful zinc]

ive had raptor through invasions multiple times in the past weeks

[strong field]

Aight bet

[sullen sleet]

I haven't played RJ in so frickin long

I need Nyx prime

[woeful zinc]

just watch it, two birds with one stone

[strong field]

True

[woeful zinc]

i do whats u ign

[tired smelt]

Ggamer_4321 I don't have plat btw

[woeful zinc]

its ok ill just give it to ya

[strong field]

And then I'll get Nova and thus it'll be good

[sullen sleet]

Aren't syndicate archguns cheap anyway

[tired smelt]

Thank you.

@woeful zinc Gah dayum you have 472 ping.

[woeful zinc]

NA servers, im assuming you're asia?

[tired smelt]

Europe.

[woeful zinc]

Oh interesting

[tired smelt]

Would you want a unairu or naramon lens?

[woeful zinc]

Just msg me through in game

[outer marsh]

Hey where’s the best place to farm for split chamber?

[red path]

orb vallis iirc

why not galv. chamber?

[outer marsh]

I don’t remember where to get galvanized mods. Isn’t the shop that sells them randomized?

[glossy violet]

nope

arbitration is evergreen

at the Arbiters of Hexis in every relay

[tired smelt]

Turns out, I still need some parts for the rest of my archwing weapons, so I still need the fluctus stock, the fluctus limbs, the centaur blade, the centaur handle and the onorix blades and handle. Anyone got them?

[glossy violet]

sure i have fluctus stock

first man to have a crowdsourced archgun 😭

[tired smelt]

That's the idea.

[glossy violet]

what was your ign again

[outer marsh]

Okay I found them. Now the question is how do I get vitus essence?

[tired smelt]

Don't you have or are able to get any other parts? I worked too hard for the arbiters to just switch up on them.

[glossy violet]

Arbitrations

[red path]

you can trade parts, or switch

[glossy violet]

nope, nothing you need

[tired smelt]

Damn, will need to get them in like 6 trades.

Ok, what's your ign?

[glossy violet]

homidinis#890

thats a hashtag

[outer marsh]

Oo, that’s rough. My gear starts tickling in anything higher than level 50

[glossy violet]

girl why is my keyboard UK