gameplay-discussion

[empty scroll]

The changes aren't mind blowing, but right up until they talked about her 4 Pablo was cooking. Valkyr mostly just needed the Nyx and Nova treatment, IE some QOL changes to bring at least her 1 and 3 up to a more useful state

[devout burrow]

only reason I'd play nyx is with the blood altar build

[raven glacier]

oh I guess links don't work

manual upload it is

[pearl parcel]

check out the particle cannon gaben

[sudden tendon]

Shes way too slow like ivara

[pearl parcel]

that shot removed the entire deck and 4 turrets off the ship it hit

[sudden tendon]

For me at least

[devout burrow]

yeah when pablo said "this is going to sound bad but trust, its not that bad" I already knew it was over

[raven glacier]

We love Bugframe.

[empty scroll]

Nyx is technically one of, possibly the tankiest frame in the game rn since she has shields/over-shields (but get that shield gating sh*t out of my face), armor buff, overguard AND just straight up invincibility that with her augment no longer restricts her weapon usage

[devout burrow]

if only we had a subsume that would make her be able to bullet jump at the cost of a pretty mid subsume, oh wait DE removed that cause DE hates fun

[pearl parcel]

this game is a massive string of edge cases, glitches, bugs, and uniquely odd interactions

[empty scroll]

Like I said, if they also improve health and armor tanking as a whole in the game, this rework can pretty quickly be salvaged

[raven glacier]

Yeah, sometimes you just encounter things you've never seen before.
I've never had an enemy just straight up rubberband/teleport to a previous tile before like that

[devout burrow]

iirc pablo said on twitter that he would love to look into making health tanking more appealing and he even agrees that health tanking is lackluster, but he said that it would require too much work

[pearl parcel]

it happens
and please dont ping me

[empty scroll]

I call BS, I'm sure there are people out there smarter then me that can think of ways to make HP and armor tanking much more viable at 4x digit levels without breaking the whole game

And I am NOT, I repeat NOT going to disrespect the rage queen by turning her into another cookie cutter shield gate spamming frame

[devout burrow]

its more about balancing it around all the other frames and sources of DR we have, DE would have to look at every single source and see how some new damage modifiers would affect it

[pearl parcel]

its especially bad because valk was the first invincibility frame

[fathom cipher]

i wanted to keep slashing and sliding with valkyr :c

[devout burrow]

its sad cause now revenant venka prime is the old valkyr and is probably better than reworked valkyr 😭

[empty scroll]

That is true, like it would be complicated af to do properly but I think it can be done. Otherwise some serious adjustments would need to be made to the reworked version of Valkyr's 4 to make it more viable into higher level content

[pearl parcel]

hey gaben, i got a question

[empty scroll]

I tolerate it on frames who primarily use shields for their survivability anyways, like Mag or Hildryn but I've held the belief for a long time that on most other frames its a crutch to make up for being squishy AF and having little other ways to actually survive ||coughBansheecough|| though its not as bad NOW as it use to be Ill admit

[pearl parcel]

i like frames with unique gimmicks, but its aggravating when those gimmicks fall apart at high levels of play

[empty scroll]

yeah?

[pearl parcel]

like limbo for example, he has the void, but unfortunately eximuses exist

[pearl parcel]

you play dnd any

[devout burrow]

I mean now valkyr will just be a double shield recharge catalyzing shields bot that negates the small chance of death via her passive

[empty scroll]

Not really but I know people who do

[pearl parcel]

ah fair enough

[empty scroll]

Booooo! lame! massive L

[devout burrow]

dont hate the player, hate the game fr

[pearl parcel]

i just hate you

[empty scroll]

The unkillable rage queen has to stop every 2 seconds to spam abilities so she doesnt die, instead of just focusing on shredding enemies

[devout burrow]

https://tenor.com/view/rigby-cat-rigby-pee-funny-cat-gif-436236211739437212

[empty scroll]

Also why not just make paralyze a radial effect?

[rocky breach]

the casts are changing away from full body animations

gonna be upper body, so you can run while doing it

[devout burrow]

oh wow you really are complaing about the removal of a one button press invulnerability??!! wow such a toxic lvl cap player I personally really really love the rework it makes me play the game and it makes health tanking viable and it also is more engaging 🗣️

[empty scroll]

https://tenor.com/view/trash-garbage-dumpster-gif-22255810

Also I kinda dont want to just give her OG somehow either cause Im also kinda getting sick of EVERY frame (ok not literally but ) having some source of OG, but like even THAT is arguably better

[pearl parcel]

you'll get nowhere with this blunt gaben

he does nothing but ignore the point, you cant fix stupid

[empty scroll]

I assume he's just being sarcastic and parodying certain other people's mindset :p

[leaden obsidian]

[pearl parcel]

anyway im gonna have a nap

auf wiedersehen

[empty scroll]

But yeah, Im like 75% positive on Valkyr changes and REALLY, REALLY hope they make her new 4 suck less somehow

[devout burrow]

the rest of the kit changes are interesting

I like the idea of melee only dmg vulnerability

[daring parrot]

so nice of you to say

[winged cipher]

I'd rather see her invuln removed and health/armour tanking improved somehow rather than see her keep invuln forever because "she needs it not be trash"

[devout burrow]

I offended him by not turning off ping when replying

[winged cipher]

like, the invuln kinda feels like a bandaid solution to another game system being flawed

[empty scroll]

Overall I do like that they still leaned into her being a melee focused frame, but the changes to her 4 are a tough sell

[empty scroll]

Its basically a worse version of Nidus's passive

[ornate frost]

i'd like DE to tweak health tanking without hurting people' interest tho, this whole Valkyr nerf feels quite unnecessary for a niche frame that 3/4 of the playerbase forget ...

[winged cipher]

I feel like it's not really a nerf for most of the game though, the changes to the rest of her abilities make her more fun to play

[empty scroll]

On one hand I typically like reducing as much redundancy in a frame's kit as possible

[devout burrow]

Its just a questionable decision, like why do we get to keep the frame with the highest usage rate frame as a one button press invuln simulator but the frame with 0.5% usage rate suddenly is problematic when it has a one button press invuln...

[empty scroll]

I will say in Revenant's defense, but also in a very backhanded compliment sort of way, he doesn't have A LOT else going for him besides the invulnerability. Like sure he can do other stuff, but lets be real 95% of people who use Rev use him for Mesmer skin as a weapons platform, 4% for deadly disco lasers and the rest actually giving a damn about his other abilities. Its harsh but true

[ornate frost]

i think it's because she's currently on the table while rev is just way way down the line

[daring parrot]

womp womp

[ornate frost]

like at this point DE/Pablo's timeline is very detailed

i wonder Pablo would revert this tho, last time he did revert something and announce it on x/twitter

[leaden obsidian]

He gets offended easily

[empty scroll]

Like Revenant either needs a full top to bottom rework (which could end up conflicting with what we see him do in the prime trailer, awkward) or just not touched at all while everyone else gets brought up to stuff.

Personally even though there are situations where the instant invulnerability is nice I don't actually use Revenant all that much myself, nor do I feel like he really interferes in other people's ability to play the game in any meaningful way. He's kinda just there, and because of that Im kinda fine with him just being as is?

[daring parrot]

he refuses to turn off pings/channel override

[leaden obsidian]

Ik

[ornate frost]

i find it funny that nobody cares about invisibility, especially perma invisibility with Octavia

[quaint brook]

Drop the mesmer gate to 0.5

[daring parrot]

then he insults everyone who talks to him 😭

[leaden obsidian]

Ik

[ornate frost]

dude should just delete discord lol
imagine using discord and being annoyed when people reply to you to make sure you can read the correct conversation

[delicate nexus]

is this a good riven? I dont really want it for myself so mostly planning to sell if I get a good one

[empty scroll]

People complain about having to crouch spam which tbh is just dumb. Like you're going to AT LEAST throw some primed cont on her anyways, just don't spam the crouch button! wait like 20 seconds in between twerk sessions

[ornate frost]

i mean those same people say Loki is bad

one button and invi that scales with duration? BAD

[daring parrot]

just take it to DM's fr

"talks on public chatroom, gets annoyed when talked to"

[placid turtle]

As an Ivara player, invis is great

[leaden obsidian]

He doesn’t take advice when given so tbh his fault for constantly getting pinged

[placid turtle]

Especially when doing a 2 hour steel path survival fissure

[empty scroll]

He is but only because his invis is the only ability that's good in basically any content. But yeah I get what you mean

[ornate frost]

i just need DE to change his teleport into something similar to Wraithful Advance's teleport when there is no target

[empty scroll]

I mean we can also just subsume WA onto him anyways, like I did to create a melee focused build that also uses his 1 augment

[ornate frost]

i also run arcane something something that gives free crit mult when he's invi

[empty scroll]

oh frick I forgot that exist. Tbh though I use him for certain riven challenges more then anything else

But like I dont even know how you would rework Loki without making him OP or into just another DPS frame

[ornate frost]

i mean i'm running him as a weapon platform lol

subsume shooting gallery + muzzle flash / silence into him and the game is pretty much ... a boring shoot em up with no enemies shoot at you

[empty scroll]

I just think it would be cool to stick to his niche of a stealth and CC focused frame, but how you would do that while still making him good, but not TOO good I haven't really given much thought

Also why does Decoy still have a timer AND a pitifully small health bar?

Like really it should just be on a pure timer, make it immortal and then it actually becomes somewhat useful (before augments are factored in)

[tender perch]

Loki would make a good disruption debuffing frame. Focusing on confusing enemies while allowing his squad to ramp up their damage on enemies

[leaden obsidian]

You don’t exist

[daring parrot]

sick my game is just freezing randomly when all im doing is talking in qna chat in a relay

[leaden obsidian]

Skill issue

[compact sable]

re: rev his playerbase is just too big for him to be nerfed lol

esp since probably 90% of his playerbase plays him for that invuln

[sudden tendon]

I remember reb saying its op but they’re not gonna touch it from one of the devstreams

[compact sable]

wow cool i love favouritism

[sudden tendon]

:)

I also wanna know how they nerfed khoras dmg by 70% and that still hasnt been touched

[mild heron]

what should i use in operator for eidolons?

[frail tree]

why did my wisp specter place not a single hp mote

[tiny plaza]

Can we get either some other shop or more items worth using Riven Slivers for? It's like 10 Slivers per Riven and I feel like a lot of us have gone over 1000 and are probably never gonna run through them... makes it feel kinda... idk... redundant? 🤔 😮‍💨

[pliant trench]

• change ur school to madurai
• if u own mote amp use that for now til u craft new one- farm and craft amp.
• mainly just bring survival, heal/invis frame like wukong (cloud), trinity/harrow etc

[stable lotus]

bro why is the thing needed for alchemy not dropping

[tiny plaza]

context needed? wdym they aren't dropping?

[pliant trench]

ngl it did drop but it dont show in minimap somehow

try aim to check where it is, since aim allowed the icon to appear

[pseudo forge]

"reservoir type is random" - wiki
she didn't feel like placing health i guess

[frail tree]

damn.

wanted me to die ig

[pliant trench]

reason i picked nidus or dante specter

[tiny plaza]

who knows. I think they need to rework specters... like wdym they have all their abilities but will only use 1... and randomly which is sometimes useless...

[willow bluff]

Then there's dante specter, who behaves depending on player

Also protea specter

[tiny plaza]

I haven't worked with specters for a long while, so wdym it behaves depending on player?

[willow bluff]

Dante specter will give overguard if player is taking damage

Protea specter will cast dispensery if player energy or health is even slightly not full

[frail tree]

is nidus really that good for heals

[willow bluff]

Such specters do not depend on enemy presence

[tiny plaza]

Secondary question: do i create different loadouts/frames per specter type? or just go with 1?

[rocky breach]

dante (overguard, book, maybe birds?), nidus (link), citrine (DR+crystal+heal) are decent

[willow bluff]

U can even unleash your protea specter in a Railjack for getting energy to fire missiles

[willow bluff]

Weapons?

[rocky breach]

tenet glax is prob my go to weapon, since cold+chains, since they use unmodded weapons

proboscis cernos isnt bad, has the small suck

[willow bluff]

If you're asking about weapons, I usually go with tenet glaxion.

But there are some support type weapons which can be used, like simulor or jade's bow unique trait

[pliant trench]

honestly speaking i never see spectre use secondary/melee weapon, rather u pick one can AoE via primary

[willow bluff]

In case of stuff like shedu, specters immediately switch to secondary once magazine is depleted

[pliant trench]

iirc spectre use unmoded weapon, beside innate element weapon

[willow bluff]

Nah even progenitor bonus is removed

I've tested tenet glaxion

It wasn't giving viral

It was giving cold

So looks like progenitor bonus is added like an extra hidden mod

Even grendel missions don't have progenitor bonus for that reason

[rocky breach]

prog bonuses count as a hidden 9/10th mod, so it gets removed

[pliant trench]

welp either spectre or on-call crew which scale w mission lvl

[willow bluff]

On call crew even keep incarnon perks (they obviously don't evolve them though)

I also tried Energizing Shot on sporelacer with on call crew and I didn't get energy.

Would've been so funny if that worked

[rocky breach]

prob gives energy to the crewlol

encumber works on them which is sometimes nice

[willow bluff]

I never noticed if the orbs were disappearing on shot

[rocky breach]

im still unsure if enervate works

but i think it might

[willow bluff]

I also tested encumber with wuklone and equinox 1 augment.
They don't proc impetus despite their "abilities" spreading 13 different status effects.

But they immediately max out camisado if using a beam weapon.

...or shedu pulse AoE

(which is non-LoS)

And can hit through walls

[fathom cipher]

how come it says ur new to the server

[rocky breach]

prob left then rejoined

[willow bluff]

Probably kicked and rejoined

[pliant trench]

got banned UwU

welp the rest can ensure i authentic veteran player

[sudden tendon]

Whatd u do😭

Also if ur banned how r u here

[pliant trench]

argument w 10 years old got 🔥 hard

[sudden tendon]

Ah ic

[pliant trench]

hm banned lifted recently

not sure

[sudden tendon]

Icic

[willow bluff]

I remember last year DE's troll

They sent unban emails to banned players on April Fools

[pseudo forge]

that's incredible

[willow bluff]

Tested simulor singularity with Ivara's navigator

The results are disappointing

It still bursts after 20s
Hopefully the new upcoming augment will make it worth

[fathom cipher]

i can vouch

[forest solar]

I really like the reconifex

[fathom cipher]

ngl i feel like it would be cool if we could crack relics in 1999 lol

[pseudo forge]

yeah
they mentioned it on a devshort i think? if not devstream 187. its something they know about at least

[rocky breach]

prob having to make either new corrupted models for 1999, or trying to get murmer to work maybe

and whatever they need to do for the spawning

[median topaz]

lets get new protos running the 1999 relics

Proto Protea, Sevagoth, Xaku and a new one

all time+void themed frames

[pseudo forge]

protea seems least likely to get a "canon" proto
because of the kaya dialog where you mention that there's no proto-protea
kaya would probably track her down if we told her there was one

[median topaz]

It'd be pretty easy to rewrite a KIM conversation

Like, Duviri got mentioned in early Fortuna spoken dialogue

[pseudo forge]

true, but if it has larger consequences, it would be less likely
temporal anchor could help her, tho given argon is seemingly the only requirement for her to figure it out, maybe its not a big deal

[median topaz]

Then they changed their minds about what Duviri was even going to be, so they took the conversation out

like, could be changed to "I already talked to her and it's not what I needed"

[pseudo forge]

yeah, i guess minor dialog changes aren't as big of a deal
i also figured they wouldn't be adding new convos for a while, but then 60 new convos being rather casually announced

[median topaz]

yeah those were big lol

man imagine if they all have an extra ending like the Round Table protos have

[pseudo forge]

mmm
that could be nice
i'd like to know more about amir's game lol

well, both of them

[median topaz]

for legal reasons he's changing the name to darkSector and making young Arthur the protagonist

Eleanor is secretly the villain

[fathom cipher]

i want that repala syandana so bad 😩 but im nabbing yareli access so its one or the other xd

the syandana from the nightwave fits her so well

[rocky breach]

im basic and just using the glistor

[fathom cipher]

i want the glistor but im poor on plat rn. ill grab it once i have the prime access plat lol

ill just grab the whole deluxe pack for that

[rocky breach]

the deluxe head isnt my jam, luckily prime looks good

[stable crescent]

Hi I'm new

[rocky breach]

hi new, im aubi

[fathom cipher]

yeah the prime looks amazing. def one of the best prime looks

[daring parrot]

new to the game as well or just the discord?

[stable crescent]

Im only mr9 so im not that good

[daring parrot]

tbf MR doesnt matter in terms of skill/knowledge. I've seen MR 16's who dont know basic stuff

[rocky breach]

we all started somewhere, just enjoy your journey, dont rush to get burned out

[stable crescent]

Yeah thanks I do quite well to be fair

[daring parrot]

are you all caught up with the main story?

[stable crescent]

I've completed all the quests

On The codex

[daring parrot]

noice

[fathom cipher]

me (jk i swear ik what im doin)

[pseudo forge]

^ i hate getting to higher mr because like. now i'm often the highest mr in public lobbies and they'll expect me to know what i'm doing
for the record, mr 24 here, not super high but still higher than a good amount of people i meet in public fissures n whatnot

[stable crescent]

Yeah that's how I think to be fair if it's a legendary I just automatically think there gonna be good

[fathom cipher]

idk im legit only mr 16 but i feel like i know most of the stuff. ive been a regular here at least so i wanna say ik what im doin. im just lazy lol

actually in terms of gameplay ive done a lot so im not worried

15k plat on fashion a lot of gameplay

[glacial cargo]

it's a 50/50 chance legendary players are competent or not in my experience

[fathom cipher]

yeah

and a 15% chance of em being totally rude

[stable crescent]

Yeah most people don't want to help me

[rocky breach]

generally my mental view on MR is <10 gets lots of slack, if they perform im happy, if they dont thats okay
11-20 i expect at least a workable loadout, 21-30 i expect them to not be dogwater, 31+ ill usually call out if they do bad, not maliciously but they arent getting a free pass/coddled

27+ is always a coin toss though, 50/50 mega big ego rude, or super chill, no in between

[fathom cipher]

feel free to ask in here. most things people in here can help

[rocky breach]

i think its just seeing if people try to put some effort in, they dont have to be god gamers, but when you see people carrying cannisters, or sticking near objectives you know they're at least trying/playing well

[fathom cipher]

for most things i try to go as fast as possible i cant lie lol

[fathom cipher]

i hate it when people when doing alchemy or excavation just straight ignore objective and it feels like im doing it all by myself

[rocky breach]

public netracells

1 guy 700m away from the objective kill farming

ask them to come to the objective/inside the area, they're always gonna talk back and say "dont tell me how to play, i do what i want"

[pseudo forge]

sadly i am occasionally that person
but i think i'm on the opposite side just as much so karma exists i suppose

[fathom cipher]

netracells i only ever do if i have a homie to run it with

[rocky breach]

then they go down, and complain noone ressed them, and they leave...and happen to be host, and you get a bugged/bad migration

[median topaz]

For netracells I try to be the key carrier

[fathom cipher]

oh dw im sometimes that person but i usually have some high kpm build anyways so the other 3 are just collecting the things while i nuke

[median topaz]

Just so that it doesn't matter what the others do

[fathom cipher]

i go carrier if i play nova to speed it up. if im on someone else then ill usually take either 2 or 0 depending if someone else wants to be key carrier

[rocky breach]

its just about finding a task to do, if someone is carrying harder than you, well guess its time to collect/run stuff

[median topaz]

last week I joined a squad that had been waiting for a bit, so they were chatting about who would take what key

I just ran in, grabbed them all and ciphered the PC lol

[fathom cipher]

i gotta craft more ciphers

i think ive crafted a total of 6 ciphers then just went manual

[sudden tendon]

Wut

I have 900 LMAO

[restive warren]

I hate it more when everyone is doing the phase 2 and blowing up all the things on the walls.

[pseudo forge]

i find the hack minigames fun
except narmer, narmer gets hit with perspicacity every time
so i've never crafted ciphers

[fathom cipher]

watching the bar never fill up hurts

[rocky breach]

can never have too many ciphers

[sudden tendon]

Real shit

[fathom cipher]

i can do the codes fast enough atp

[sudden tendon]

Not faster than instantly

[fathom cipher]

i need action

[restive warren]

I just use auto-breach, I like most hacking mini-game.

[fathom cipher]

and im solo most of the time

[rocky breach]

my action involves PRESS Y

[median topaz]

I like hacking but I've been downed one time too many while hacking

[rocky breach]

or auto breach/perspicacity if im on my wukong

[median topaz]

By which I mean it happened once, so ciphers it is

[restive warren]

I desync with warframe and go into the void to hack normally

Sometime my brain just decide I'm too lazy

I normally die then

If it was SP definetly most probably ded

[fathom cipher]

i went to an arcade today and won 4 hatsune miku figurines

[rocky breach]

i like the corpus hack, but not being able to rebind the grineer one makes me sad, so i just cipher those

[restive warren]

Yeaaah the Grineer one don't give me any type of satisfaction for some odd reason

[rocky breach]

and one of the narmer ones mess with my brain

[fathom cipher]

the only one im slow at is that disorientating one

[restive warren]

It's my least favorite mini-game

[sudden tendon]

U just reminded me i gotta get tickets for that

Movie

[fathom cipher]

my fav one is that rotating clicky one. ive got that one so dialed in

[restive warren]

At least the noise it makes is satisfying

[fathom cipher]

like in cetus lures

[restive warren]

Same with Duviri

[sudden tendon]

Corpus?

[sudden tendon]

Oh grineer

[fathom cipher]

idk i dont pay attention icl everything dies

[fathom cipher]

yeah

[restive warren]

XDDDD

[fathom cipher]

everyone comes here right when imma sleep xd

1:40am for me but idk abt u guys

[sudden tendon]

I js got home😭

[restive warren]

Sleep for me too since you're there

[fathom cipher]

let me craft a cipher

[restive warren]

My brain told me to arise in the middle of the night because it's hungry

Couldn't possibly wait 2 more hours because it's too dramatic

[fathom cipher]

omg i only have the singular cipher craft not any of the batch ones 😭

[sudden tendon]

I love sneaking into the kitchen at 3am like a racoon

[fathom cipher]

go snack

[restive warren]

Snack except I make soup 😩 😂

[fathom cipher]

i grabbed some snacks like 30 minutes ago. it was cheezits and some barbeque bread from a bakery

[sudden tendon]

oooooo thats nice

[fathom cipher]

soup is fire at 3am

oh yeah kath i have great news for u

im mr 16 now and im rank 5 fortuna

ive been putting it off for too long 😭

[sudden tendon]

https://tenor.com/view/yay-minions-happiness-happy-excited-gif-7251359

[restive warren]

Backroom or main standing? :O

Both?

[fathom cipher]

just main. im rank 2 ducky tho rn

gotta farm my toroids 🫩

[rocky breach]

autohack is super satisfying on the narmer ones

[pseudo forge]

i wish autohack visually solved the other hacks like it does with narmer

[weak bison]

What if valkyr new passive would be broken into 4 bars, each being 75% melee damage. Dying and popping an invuln would deplete one of the bars. Much more like nidus and less like trinity

[compact sable]

what if I were to purchase fast food and disguise it as my own cooking

[pseudo forge]

delightfully devillish, seymour

[fathom cipher]

estel please beg DE to let u save valkyr

i trust you estel

[compact sable]

yeah estel go to their offices and start making demands and taking hostages

[weak bison]

Sanford couldnt assault pablo with a 3d printed magi so i will do it

[restive warren]

That would be too strong unfortunately, but I wish it around the 9 lifes myth tho

[compact sable]

just wukong's passive x 3

[restive warren]

Yeaaaaaaaaah

That would be a problem realistically :U

[rocky breach]

and replenishable easily

[compact sable]

I do like that more but it still has the issue of a downward spiral which is kinda wack

like losing your rage which is your damage on death is kinda un-berserker

[pseudo forge]

tbf, she already has partial infinite wukong/inaros/sevagoth passive, just needs to be built back up

[weak bison]

Yeah. Normally you do MORE damage close to death. Thats how the trope goes

[compact sable]

yeah

dnd berserkers just dont die when their rage is up

kinda like a full damage invulnerability

which is a pretty neat idea, maybe DE should do something with that

[weak bison]

Hell. Just look at tryndamere

Or warwick

[fathom cipher]

i like goin berserker on dnd when i just wanna brute force it with my friends

[compact sable]

yeah tryn's ult is based on the dnd mechanic

you just cant die while your rage mode is active

[restive warren]

Depending on the gamers Zerkers do more dmg the less dmg they have OR they do a set amount of time invuln before dying that you need to kill or do a certain amount of dmg to avoid death/before dying (it depends)

[weak bison]

The whole fantasy behind the berserker archetype is "keep killing so you dont die"

[fathom cipher]

i dont like the being low version 😢

[weak bison]

Old valkyr had that with the ridiculously high energy drain, and insant death if you uncast

New valkyr looks like it plays too passively. The rage stacks are wayy too slow

[restive warren]

I like the second and need to do a certain amount of dmg to get a mini-heal and continue or die if I fail

[fathom cipher]

old valkyr had everyone coping with duration

[compact sable]

yeah unironically given how slow the stacks seem to generate

[restive warren]

Good way to check how garbage my gear is on a scale to 1 to 10

[compact sable]

it seems you want to play it safe if you death gate

[fathom cipher]

but new valkyr has me stressing with that rage stack stuff

[compact sable]

what about a last gasp kind of thing but you stay as valkyr

[fathom cipher]

idk figuring out this new valkyr is gonna be a lil awkward for sure

[restive warren]

Honestly I expected getting a rage system at some point, not exactly like this tho

[compact sable]

i.e. if you die you keep playing as valkyr and if you get enough rage stacks (which ideally should be easy) you get to stay alive

[restive warren]

Def gonna need to adapt

[fathom cipher]

once shes out ig we gotta figure out whats the beat mix of comfy and dmg. i dont wanna make THE rage frame play too passive

[restive warren]

I mean in 4 she has super high life drain

[compact sable]

no she doesnt they nerfed that

[restive warren]

I mean there was no point

[weak bison]

They nerfed tge life drain

Its now 50 flat instead of %

[restive warren]

Considering she's invinc

[restive warren]

Yes because there was no point.

[weak bison]

??????

[restive warren]

Because she's invinc, I mean you can blow it up

Are you talking about the devstream?

[weak bison]

So now that they want her to health tank, nerfing lifesteal is good?

U dont make sense

[restive warren]

Idk then, still subject to change so I take everything they say with a grain of salt until it's out

[weak bison]

Has de ever changed anything in final build post devstream announcement

[pseudo forge]

the invincibility doesn't make sense with the rest of her kit, so i don't know why making her play more into her kit is such a big deal

[lyric lotus]

nice bangla letter you got on your id i see

[restive warren]

I never needed the heal leech unless I wasn't in invinc. and took many hits because I was too busy with whatever melee vs the claws sad range.

If your invinc get broken, you get out of ult and recast

I don't even know if you could break it anymore

Also realistically her invinc was too strong.

[rocky breach]

the invuln was from 10+ years ago, when energy sustain didnt exist so you popped in to get the invuln+big melee dmg
then popped out and did normal melee/shooting

[restive warren]

It was bound to be reworked at some point

[compact sable]

was it 🛌

massive energy drain + you were restricted to melee

[lyric lotus]

i am just waiting to grab all those deluxe that coming for kullervo and my beloved citrine

[compact sable]

people were more likely to suggest titania for boss cheeses over valkyr

[fathom cipher]

reli access for me

[willow bluff]

Has the energy drain reduced?

[restive warren]

If you don't run Bling Rage it can be a reasonnable drain, but they stealth boosted the drain at least once or twice.

[compact sable]

it has but its still high

[weak bison]

Titania does more dmg to attenuation than valkyr

[restive warren]

It will be with the rework.

[fathom cipher]

bling rage 🤑🥶

[compact sable]

10/s is still higher than every exalted but mesa's

[restive warren]

I'mma fight you if you compare the airborne and the fact she's ant sized.

[willow bluff]

Then I can work it out

[weak bison]

??

[willow bluff]

If it's lower than Mesa, it's fine

[weak bison]

What

[fathom cipher]

ok imma sleep

[willow bluff]

I believe Ivara's navigator costs a lot more than mesa?

[weak bison]

Titania does more dmg to dmg attenuation enemies like necramechs and dedicants

[willow bluff]

Combining with prowl

[lyric lotus]

Me hands over the popcorn to Crispy

[compact sable]

for comparison, excal exalted is 2.5/s

[willow bluff]

Coz I'm on the verge to build a perma navigator playstyle

[compact sable]

titania's 4 is 5/s

[restive warren]

🍿

[compact sable]

nyx's 4 with the augment is 6.5/s

[restive warren]

Titania so small she normally doesn't get hit

[willow bluff]

Navigator costs a lot more than that

But it won't matter

[lyric lotus]

🫴 🧋

[restive warren]

Realistically instead of panicking, I'd say "Wait and see"

Stop jumping the gun as the saying goes

[astral basin]

WARFRAME WILL BE DELETED JUNE 3RD 2025!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[lyric lotus]

Cool

will play whatframe then

[sudden tendon]

Source?

[restive warren]

Probably reddit

[lyric lotus]

Trust me bro

[willow bluff]

Destiny player

[sudden tendon]

I really doubt anything crazys gonna change from the info we got

[compact sable]

probably not no

[stable crescent]

Yeah I have titania

[restive warren]

I mean they haven't showed if mods affect how fast you gain rage.

[willow bluff]

50 energy per second

[compact sable]

though i am gonna bet they didnt expect so much negative feedback lmao

[restive warren]

And they haven't decided how much rage "dying" cost.

So...

[compact sable]

because people dont complain about most reworks

probably because most reworks are just buffs

[sudden tendon]

They dont its just kills assists and hits

[restive warren]

I'm sorta disappointed people don't try before complaining.

[sudden tendon]

They did lol

75 rage and it drains it all

[restive warren]

I thought Pablo said in the video it wasn't decided

[pseudo forge]

subject to change yeah

[rocky breach]

still subject to numbers changes

[restive warren]

Whoops, my bad ye that's what he said.

[rocky breach]

but much better than the original footage from the public showcase

[sudden tendon]

Its on the rework page🤷‍♂️

[restive warren]

Ooooh

[willow bluff]

It's not final value

[sudden tendon]

I only heard that for slam changes

[restive warren]

Probably "at the time" they made the video then.

[sudden tendon]

Fair enough

[rocky breach]

it at least shows pablo is doing a wild range of testing to find a where he wants final numbers to be
from the anemic values in the initial showcase, to what was in the workshop gifs

[restive warren]

Yeah honestly sorta surprised we kept the invinc for so long.

[astral basin]

WARFRAME WILL BE DELETED!

[willow bluff]

When are we getting the 4 new wf augments?
21st? Or June update?

[sudden tendon]

Ok i believe u

[restive warren]

Okay grandpa go back to bed

[compact sable]

why did they add it to nyx then lol

[restive warren]

Isn't the invinc on her augment?

[willow bluff]

Not just nyx
Qorvex new augment as well

[sudden tendon]

Idk about that since he gave more dmg to the frame that already does insane dmg at the cost of her survivability

[restive warren]

OH the augments

[compact sable]

and an arcane so qorvex could sustain his invicibility granting augment

like hello?

[restive warren]

Are we talking about Universal Fallout

[willow bluff]

Yes

[compact sable]

literally an arcane just for him because barely anyone else (except oberon) can even do radiation with their abilities

[pseudo forge]

there's a lot that can do radiation, they just need to be modded w/ it

[restive warren]

You could use it on Wisp if you want uni-orbs :o

[willow bluff]

Although qorvex was getting weird negativity so it all worked out good

[restive warren]

Don't really need it because you have invinc after ghosting so

[restive warren]

I think my biggest gripe is no type of regen

[willow bluff]

Also can't companion primers proc universal fallout?

[compact sable]

modding an exalted for radi is actually trolling though

[restive warren]

I was expecting at least one augment with a regen tied to it

[restive warren]

[willow bluff]

Like hound or diriga?

[restive warren]

I'mma go self reflect then

[pseudo forge]

definitely can be
i've considered doing it for jade since i found out it works for exalteds

[restive warren]

I really don't like mumur so I mod for rad/elec my whip

[compact sable]

you don't really have the slots

[restive warren]

Ahhh

Well

[sudden tendon]

Modding for more energy regen when theres already an abundance of it at the cost of tanking ur dmg lmao

[willow bluff]

If this works why bother?

[restive warren]

Until that gets nerfed (Maybe)

[compact sable]

especially since archon stretch is a thing lol

with glory you need those viral and heat statuses for damage as it is

[willow bluff]

It's horribly lackluster

[compact sable]

having to split that with radiation statues too to get UA to do something is not great

[restive warren]

Works only with Nourish or on Octavia due to nutsy passive

Or (And?) if you don't run Blind rage

[willow bluff]

Specially because it doesn't work on channelled abilities

[sudden tendon]

Yeah its kinda wasted arcane slot

[restive warren]

It's not

Uniorbs gives both, on top of that gives status immun

[willow bluff]

I meant companions can proc it right?

[restive warren]

Unless it doesn't react like it does on Lavos that is.

[sudden tendon]

Even if it does i would rather just run enerzige

[willow bluff]

Status immunity is lavos passive

[compact sable]

ironically the only exalted that really needed big energy sustain was valkyr

[restive warren]

Well fudgesickle

[compact sable]

but you did this with something like lycaths subsume

[pseudo forge]

i've been running mostly gas on glory and it seems to work fine for me
granted, i haven't experimented a ton w/ glory to find better combos but i feel like anything would work fine for a good amount of content

[compact sable]

UA would absolutely suck on her too because claws have a whole 10% status chance and they didnt increase this

[willow bluff]

Universal orbs dropped from that arcane give 50 energy instead of 25

[restive warren]

I guess Imma put it on Lavos, not sure I wanna mix for rad tho 😩

[compact sable]

that is kidna the main issue with radi, it doesn't have a damaging status

[restive warren]

Good against murmurs, but if ain't doing mumur it's a waste of my time

[compact sable]

unlike heat or gas or whatever

[sudden tendon]

I still find it kinda iffy cause i dont trust companions to kill especially modded for rad

[restive warren]

I mean

Nautilus's weap can kill just fine.

[compact sable]

so it's effectively a loss in all situations except against murmur because theyre the only relevant faction weak to it

[restive warren]

Even if you equip a rainbow of element on it

[willow bluff]

Read the arcane again

[sudden tendon]

Not too sure how well thatd scale with rad

[sudden tendon]

Ight

[restive warren]

Maybe if you reach lvl9999 on endless?

[pseudo forge]

it has damage from friendly fire, but i get what you mean
a single enemy with radiation isn't dying from it, but one with heat or shock can
(which is weird because if any of the dual elements should do DOT, it should be the one that liquifies bone irl)

[sudden tendon]

Ah ic

[restive warren]

But idk about you but have bigger things to do irl than to stick in a mission for the next foreseeing decade

[willow bluff]

Your companion doesn't have to kill the enemy

[sudden tendon]

I like to play cascade so its around an hour or so

[sudden tendon]

Yeah thats mb

[restive warren]

Oh true there's Cascade

[willow bluff]

And once the enemy is max primed by radiation, the universal orb chance persists PERMANENTLY even after radiation procs expire.

[compact sable]

the friendly fire damage is quite low and pretty contextual as well, it's really not very reliable

it's more of a CC status than a damaging one but even cold increases crit damage

radiation still suffers unfortunately

[willow bluff]

Radiation CC works against eximus

[restive warren]

^

[willow bluff]

Enemies will be busy shooting each other

Ars-on eximus will fart prematurely

[restive warren]

Also how you avoid damage assuming you ain't getting cross-fired upon

I'm not cackling due to wording, trust

[willow bluff]

Taco Bell

And now the biggest plus point, u have radiation exclusive mods, so manifold bond primers already run radiation and magnetic

That's a lot of advantage against overguard

[compact sable]

for primers its fine because its an extra status for CO but for exalteds

[restive warren]

I will admit if you use META weapons/settup or weapons that reach crazy amount of dmg

[compact sable]

you don't have the slots to spare really

[willow bluff]

Eximus already drops 1 energy orb and 2 health orbs

Then there's synth Deconstruct and universal fallout

And no, I wouldn't recommend modding exalteds for radiation

[restive warren]

You don't "need" Radiation.

[compact sable]

like heres ninjase's glory

you cant really drop anything for a radi mod and this isnt even running g.shot

[restive warren]

But if you use off-meta stuff, and need to control area radiation is relative as important as you make it.

[rocky breach]

you could drop anemic for rad+fr

slight dps loss for orb gain

[willow bluff]

I've said it long scrolling up
I won't use radiation on exalteds

Unless Fragmented One

[restive warren]

I use rad/elec or just one or the other against murmurs

I generally don't outside those now.

[willow bluff]

Even against murmur, I'd rather use electric for DoTs than radiation

[restive warren]

I just do both because I don't like hands petting my 5head

[rocky breach]

theres some guy whos been an excal exalted blade enjoyer for a while, i think he uses rad+fallout mainly for short missions, since energy sustain is good for fast clears

but goes back to more dps when doing endurance

[compact sable]

anyway I think the original point of the fact that DE added an aug for qorvex to infinitely channel his invuln 4 on top of an arcane to let him sustain it because he already deals radiation status by default

[willow bluff]

Mirage?

[compact sable]

was a pretty good point and feels a bit contradictory if valkyr's invuln is supposedly problematic

[restive warren]

I don't generally play mirage :(

[compact sable]

this is doubly as funny given that people were telling me qorvex's strength was how easy and brainoff he was LOL

[willow bluff]

Contradiction is that qorvex has a lot of armor to use and simply goes invulnerable

[compact sable]

omg you right

[willow bluff]

U said 5head

[restive warren]

Fair

[compact sable]

they even made the dodge bug official so qorvex can dodge while in his 4 too

[willow bluff]

Valkyr invulnerability was nerfed by same excuse

[lucid owl]

Never expected they'd "fix" it by doubling down on the armor part and removing the invulnerability part

[restive warren]

Is in the patchnotes they say anything about changes to her augment?

Or those are left untouched

[pseudo forge]

which augment?

[restive warren]

Mainly the one for her 4

[pseudo forge]

only note for 4 augments is
"Enraged: Damage and Critical Chance are increased to 350% from 200%"

[willow bluff]

They talked about every augment in the dev workshop I think

[willow bluff]

Yeah

Pity compensation

[restive warren]

Honestly

[willow bluff]

Go become a glass cannon

[restive warren]

Would've put invinc on the augment, considering there's a cooldown.

But then..

[willow bluff]

Crit stats for an exalted melee are not a big deal these days

Augment shouldn't give that.

Wrathful Advance, archon shards, and more, already doing the job.

[restive warren]

I mean you don't really "need" more crit rate on it

[willow bluff]

Augment should give something unique which other buffs can't

[restive warren]

crit damage is better

But oh well

[willow bluff]

Crit damage archon shards

[restive warren]

More crit damage, more

[willow bluff]

Knowing warframe players damn well, they'll be running 5 tau purple shards on valkyr

[restive warren]

I'll tell you when to stop (probably won't but shhh, pretend I will)

[willow bluff]

Then adding more is just diminishing returns

[restive warren]

I mean

Isn't she getting a buff on range with the claws

[willow bluff]

Again
Knowing warframe players damn well
Influence

[restive warren]

I hope it doesn't beat Keratinos range wise

[pseudo forge]

increased to 2.15 from 1.7 yeah

[restive warren]

I'm gonna be ticked off if I need to shelf -

Well on the self you go Kera

Joking aside it's not beating it but still damn

[compact sable]

4x tau purple 1x tau yellow for energy on spawn is the guide I used

energy to get the ball rolling + if you die to violence

[restive warren]

Violence at least match its name

[willow bluff]

I stopped using on spawn energy after locking myself to zenurik

Anyways
Simulor is getting a new nightwave augment.

And I was trying singularity with Ivara's Navigator

Turns out, someone posted it before me, 8 years ago
https://youtu.be/u2KX-T1cETY?si=AwXn5d736yQ6Tk4c

[rocky breach]

i like to use a primary primer with exhilerate, phantasma/bubonico/t glax/muta cernos/etc
or just use an energy pizza at the start

[willow bluff]

Look at the chaos at the end of the vid!

Ivara will be able to "pilot" all the loot to herself by standing on one spot

[compact sable]

exhilarate could do with a buff tbh

why is it so weak

[rocky breach]

its nice a nice constant source, like how nexus gets overlooked a lot
but its def something you add to the kit rather than being the only thing needed

just 11 more days, then all the conclave mods (from teshin) are done...too bad theres like 20-30 which are conclave game mode drops only

[compact sable]

exodia brave: +5 for 4s, stacks 3x
xata invocation: +1 for 20s, stacks 10x
photon overcharge: on kill assist, 2% chance per cold status to drop energy orb
exhilarate: +1.2 for 10s, stacks 3x

[rocky breach]

i dont know if i can be bothered doing all those 50k conclave skins

ouch, just tallied them up, 45 days of standing to get all those conclave skins...

[restive warren]

Late congrats on almost owning everything from the Conclave shop 🥳

[rocky breach]

the mods were my main goal, i guess ill just do a faceoff occasionally after that and maybe slowly get the weapon skins

[willow bluff]

Max rank energizing shot = 52 energy per normal energy orb

(stacks with energy orb effectiveness archon shards)

[fierce hill]

So, this will probably be unpopular, but I've been playing Temple a lot lately, and I have a simple request. I'm asking cause I hope I'm not alone in this, but after have beat Hi-Fi Rush with everything keeping a consistent beat I want the ticker sound that comes up when you get a backbeat proc to stay active all the time. Just let me have that as a setting toggle, please DE?

[pseudo forge]

that's my thought as well
its quiet enough to not get grating, but its definitely enough to keep tempo without watching it

[fierce hill]

Yeah, and since field music isn't on the same tempo as Temple it would help to keep in sync with it.

[rocky breach]

not unpopular at all, theres lots of people who want a metronome toggle and volume slider
i think in one of the recent devshorts they mentioned theyll look into it

i dont play temple, but im all for more options (i was in the crowd who had to do 0% volume for all transmissions/voices for 10years becasue ordis didnt have a slider and i couldnt stand him)
so more sliders+toggles the better imo

[fierce hill]

I figured I'd get more complaining about people not wanting a constant tick. Glad I'm not alone then. I'm a weirdo that finds it easier to keep a beat with audio rather than visual cues. I played all of Hi-Fi Rush without the beat indicator, cause I found it easier.

[fallow obsidian]

Nah probably gonna try 5 tau forged yellow and try sheild gating

I do not want to play inaros

[golden inlet]

I have 5 Tau purple on mine : P

[ember harbor]

.

[stuck yarrow]

asking this here instead

[compact sable]

sure, why not

its easy to get headshots with dread because the projectile is so big

[stuck yarrow]

and what status effect should i be using with it?

[compact sable]

tbf dread is horrible for status because the fire rate is so low

but you could probably slot elec because thats probably the best status to get just one proc off

https://overframe.gg/build/480848/ this one uses corro

for raw damage against grineer

[late vessel]

Is it worth using the orange, purple and green shard? They seems so oddly niche and the red, yellow and blue shard that directly affects your stats seems to be better

[compact sable]

purple is used a lot for the melee crit damage bonus

[pseudo forge]

they are niche, yeah
but when you need that niche, they're usually better than the standard red/blue/yellow

[compact sable]

green is most often used for max corrosive stacks because 2 greens mean you can stack corrosive enough to fully armour strip

[late vessel]

Say someone like Volt, you're better off with the purple shard or the normal ones?

[compact sable]

aside from that, green on saryn for toxin damage, purple on cyte and gyre for elec damage, and topaz on qorvex for radiation damage

if youre a melee frame you want the purples, yeah

Gain +25% (+37.5%) Melee Critical Damage. When max Energy is over 500, the damage boost doubles.

which is just the red shard but with a bonus for over 500 energy

a lot of frames can go over 500 energy with just primed/archon flow

[pseudo forge]

going to hijack this lol
heard somewhere that using greens on hydroid (for the extra corro stacks) is a waste, but i'm not sure how true that is

[compact sable]

it is because hydroid's passive already lets him full strip with corro

his 3 does scale on corro stacks but its not really useful afaik

[late vessel]

Also i saw the wiki and they seem to do multiple things at once, does one shard do all that or do you need to stack them?

[pseudo forge]

one affect, you choose from the list when you install it

[pseudo forge]

makes sense, thanks

[stuck yarrow]

any good alternatives for Longbow Sharpshot? i don't think i have many copies

[late vessel]

Can you pick the same effect when you stack them?

[compact sable]

merciless or deadhead

[compact sable]

yes

[stuck yarrow]

might run Deadhead then for the headshot multi since i'll be going for those anyways

[late vessel]

Insane stuff

[stuck yarrow]

i also run reinforced bond so i'll run crit delay instead of point strike

[late vessel]

So the ultimate Volt nuke is 6 purple shard with the extra dmg abilities on enemies with elec?

[stuck yarrow]

i'll also be getting 300% extra from Hot Shot because i use a Wisp with her 4 augment and Hot Shot

it stacks crit like crazy

gets to max in just 3 ticks i think

[empty socket]

Hi

[brave flare]

That shard doesn't effect his nuke strangely enough since it's not an actual electric proc

[late vessel]

Wut
Speaking of Volt nukr anyone sometimes encounter that it does no dmg? Like it shocks enemies and trigger capacitance but there's 0 dmg

[rocky breach]

volt nuke does elec damage, but doesnt do elec status

[mild vigil]

yeah he still needs a light rework pass on him, purely to make that work as expected lol

[mellow scaffold]

early game railjack has to be the worst experience possible

[sudden tendon]

Its only a low lv nuke

[late vessel]

It doesn't kill lvl 8 enemies

[sudden tendon]

O

Thats weird

[pure gulch]

if you can, play higher level missions with someone who already has RJ built to handle, free mk3 parts which in turn makes life a lot easier lol

[lofty garden]

early railjack experience is when you have no railjack

[rocky breach]

if you're in a clan with the progress, sigma/mk3 parts will be an insane power spike over the stuff you start with/or things you can farm in the earlier planets.
also just get any random AI crewmates from fortuna as soon as you have the intrinsic, you can check back later for proper stats, but just having an AI crewmate to be an extra gunner is a big win

[sudden tendon]

Sigma!

[lofty garden]

yeah, the tier 3 clan parts are good for starting out with your actual railjack

[coarse osprey]

For those who run level cap often, do you guys have at least 2 dealer weapons or just 1 main and 1 primer? If you use a primer, how do you weave it in between the chaos? (except cedo which just taps alt fire and switch)

[compact sable]

it really kinda depends but one main waepon is typical, yeah

typically primers are mostly for thrax, trash generally don't need them

two dealers is a thing that is done though

one trash clear weapon, one thrax weapon

most primers are built for fire rate and status chance

like the nukor or something, you just hose them down and they have every status in like half a second

[mellow scaffold]

as in these?

prob not

i dont see it in any of my clans research labs

or they havent unlocked it

[stable comet]

Their research is in the drydock.

[rocky breach]

yep, clan dojo > drydock (you can use the quick travel/emote/gear wheel) > find the research console, then there should be MK1/MK2/MK3 stuff researched
if your clan has the MK3 stuff, just get those

[harsh ether]

Is there any acceptably fast ways to gain 60 700 mastery?

[simple steppe]

Brothers, Valkyrie's mainer's, Why do we love Valkyrie, for shields or armor, for claws or speed, no, we love her because she invulnerably rushes like a tank at the enemy, tearing his ranks, regardless of injuries, she engages in battle with the strongest opponent and comes out victorious. But today we hear the cry of a valkyrie calling for battle. what happened? The enemy wants to desecrate Valkyrie, he longs for the most sacred thing - her invulnerability. I'm not going to stand by and watch our queen get killed, I'm taking a fierce fight and I'm going to fight shoulder to shoulder with her to the last drop of my energy. Brothers, if you're with me, then shout: "For the Queen!"

[empty scroll]

https://tenor.com/view/sigma-detected-respect-sigma-respect-patrick-bateman-american-psyco-gif-17523786110322592071

[rocky breach]

really depends how deep into the MR grind you are.
theres the easy mk1 stuff from the market
and the usual standard blueprint weapons
all the clan dojo stuff (just do invasions for the materials)
zaws/kitguns/moas if you gather stuff (needs open world rep)
kdrives if you do races/tricks (needs ventkids rep)
the 3 hounds from sisters (and theres the kuva/tenet weapons)

those are prob the most accessable

[harsh ether]

So it's all just sourcing and levelling weapons sadly? Unfortunate. My quickest place to level currently is circuit and thats random

[rocky breach]

completing the star chart (every node) gets you ~27k mastery

[harsh ether]

Got 19k of it so far

[rocky breach]

and once you get to steel path, thats doubled since you get the completion bonuses again (so up to another 27k)

[harsh ether]

I'll get one shot in steel path lol

Just trying to reach 14 honestly

this is what ive currently got as a spread to show how i play lol

[stable crescent]

I'm nearly at steel path just have a bit to do

[harsh ether]

I wish missions gave you far more honestly

Cycling through random weapons, taking days to build collect and level etc is draining

[stable crescent]

Yeah

[tulip magnet]

got all duviri intrinsics?

[rocky breach]

oh yeah forgot about intrinsics

duviri + railjack

[tulip magnet]

duviri is easier to get arguably

or at least was easier for me

that's 60k right there, railjack another 75k

[rocky breach]

yeah duviri being stand alone and with how strong decrees get, you can sit there for like 2 hrs and get every decree and become a god

and get your intrinsics along the way

[tulip magnet]

just grinding endlessly is a bit of a waste imo

those incarnons cost a lot of pathos clamps

[rocky breach]

just depends on what you enjoy

doing constant pathos runs does get close to burn out territory, tbf i went a bit overboard and farmed like 2k clamps when duviri first dropped

[lofty garden]

k-drives are an easy 30k

[tulip magnet]

I don't think "k-drives" and "easy" belong in the same sentence

[rocky breach]

i agree, but some people find kdrives too much of a chore
same with zaw/kitgun/moas, if they dont mind the scanning then its lots of easy mastery too

[tulip magnet]

actually scratch that

"k-drives" don't belong in any sentence

[harsh ether]

Most

[lofty garden]

they gave you 6k with the weekend events

[harsh ether]

Gonna get star chart finished then I can ignore/be intimidated by steel path directly XD and then do duviri

[rocky breach]

lots of the intrinsic mastery gained is backloaded since the points start ramping up after rank6/7

[glad geode]

in my opinion the slam nerfs announced at pax east aren't going far enough, here are my suggestions: 1. the damage should scale down with the slam radius, -10% per meter down to a minimum of 10% damage, this would be a final multiplier; 2. the slam damage should be distributed across all enemies in the slam radius, it would be (final damage / number of enemies in the slam radius)

[brave flare]

Slam attacks already have damage fall off based on the slam radius

[strong field]

Nawktuah

[lofty garden]

Pablo won’t see it here.

Not sure if they said there will
be a dev workshop for it, but if they do or they release it, you can leave the feedback there.

[glad geode]

they should change crit chance to scale down with radius then

[willow bluff]

U wanna nerf slams more?

[harsh ether]

Why do you want spam attacks to be weak?

[glad geode]

yes, until they're irrelevant

[sick plover]

ETA doing me dirty, jeez

[strong field]

I doubt that will do anything. Non crits prob still hit a ton

[willow bluff]

Your welcome

[rocky breach]

just revert slams back to pre buff, when they didnt scale and only slam worth using was arca titron (but dont revert the titron capacitor nerfs, so that no slams work)

[harsh ether]

Its a PvE game so why hate against other forms of dmg when you can still do your thing and succeed with ease?

[glad geode]

it's boring and it's annoying when randoms do it in public lobbies

[restive warren]

So I have 2 questions: One if you want it to been seen better by DE, why not try Forum? Also why says it's not gonna be enough even tho you haven't tried the changes yet?

[harsh ether]

How so?

[restive warren]

You can always play solo or play with friends.

[harsh ether]

Cant see it be more annoying than people throwing out masses of random lights everywhere.

[willow bluff]

Oh I have a bad news for u

[rocky breach]

15% effects intensity, join the club

[restive warren]

Well Warframe is all about light show sooo

[brave flare]

Sensory overload! LETS GO!!!

[restive warren]

You can somewhat nerf it to a degree in the settings.

[harsh ether]

My body is ready, tell me

[willow bluff]

Simulor is getting a new nightwave augment

[restive warren]

WHAT

[glad geode]

yeah, people can put energy color that hurts my eyes on the melee weapons

[willow bluff]

Yes, along with Athodai

[restive warren]

Simulor isn't that flash

[brave flare]

The simulor meta shall return

[restive warren]

Did I die and went to heaven?

[willow bluff]

Lemme show u something

[restive warren]

[strong field]

Nah i can still see you

[restive warren]

Dammit

[strong field]

[brave flare]

You're trapped with the rest of us

[willow bluff]

Skip to near end part, this is what I'm planning
https://youtu.be/u2KX-T1cETY?si=v0tFBG6gwQOvKSLw

[harsh ether]

Still no different than abilities. I guess my confusion is, I understand having a mild dislike but hoping it gets ruined for everyone who enjoys it seems extreme

[restive warren]

Am I trapped here with you or are you here trapped with me

[willow bluff]

Flying Loot!

Pilotable loot!

[glad geode]

it's not about ruining it, it's about wanting a better melee meta

[willow bluff]

I just want them to fix verdilac
Then it'll be meta

[rocky breach]

....sec

[willow bluff]

Ew bloom

[restive warren]

[harsh ether]

Isn't everything just picking the right build for the weapon and also why jot want other stuff buffed then

[restive warren]

Bloom, take it away

[strong field]

✋ 🤯 🤚

[glad geode]

also even with the announced slam changes i can easily see people just using frames that can fly or slamming out of an operator sling to gain height

[lofty garden]

I just use Orthos Prime quick attack.

[restive warren]

META eventually shift dw

[willow bluff]

Just equip this

[lofty garden]

But even that is just in a pinch

[willow bluff]

Kill the slammers

[restive warren]

There was helicopter meta, glaive meta, slam meta, I think there was gunblade at some point idk when it was but I think it was prior to sp

[rocky breach]

n0 regratz

[restive warren]

Envoy

[strong field]

Jus stop caring bout slam meta when zaw meta still exists, rev still has his mesmer, and influence still only needing elec to nuke

Im lowk a genius

[willow bluff]

Soulframe

[restive warren]

Wrong envoy

Waiting for next update to play tho

[willow bluff]

I initially thought to register myself as "Tenet Envoy"

But then I decided to keep my YouTube name

[restive warren]

Athodai and Simu getting an augment I'm about to cri

I hope Athodai it make emphasis on alt fire

[willow bluff]

It's already revealed

[restive warren]

HIT ME WITH IT

[willow bluff]

Weakpoint damage

[restive warren]

I'll brb I'll go jump off a cliff

Disappoint salad

Much dramatic, much wow

Athodai prime when

[restive warren]

5sec 😩

[willow bluff]

Simulor one isn't revealed yet, but the name of the augment is "Spontaneous Singularity"

[rocky breach]

maybe it will be similar to sporothrix

insta boom on impact

[willow bluff]

By that name, it appears the augment will allow simulor to immediately fire max stacked singularity orb

[restive warren]

That's what I thought

That or draggin enemies in (Somewhat like Tenet Ferrox suck)

[willow bluff]

And I'll pilot singularity with Ivara's navigator

Problem is, after 20s, it'll automatically burst

So it won't be permanent

[rocky breach]

okay im done, time to go back to bloom off, 15% effects, black energy
good for a meme, not for actual play

[restive warren]

XD

When you can flashbang yourself but not the enemies smh

[willow bluff]

Breach Surge blind or gara passive should apply to all AoE weapons

[restive warren]

https://tenor.com/view/reaction-my-eyes-cant-unsee-burn-gif-7225082

[rocky breach]

i completely forgot about turning up particles

smh

[restive warren]

This wasn't even your final form

[rocky breach]

huh, bubonico has some decently pretty particles

[willow bluff]

Try sporelacer

[late vessel]

What are the legacythe weak to? I'm having a hard time killing them

[rocky breach]

they have damage attenuation, so you wont be doing much more than ~150-200k per sec

so sadly its just bullet sponging unless you use some of the tech for bypassing attenuation/1shotting stuff (like zephyr tornadoes, bugged angstrum, etc)

[late vessel]

Damn
Felarx ig would be good but what element are they weak to

[late vessel]

Oh yeah i forgot about Zephyr it used to like 2-3 shot with elec first time i fought them

[willow bluff]

Zephyr is somewhat nerfed

[late vessel]

In ehat way?

[unique umbra]

acuity athodai boutta go crazy

[rocky breach]

a bit like fireworks with the cluster bomblets

[willow bluff]

Color it pure white

[unique umbra]

as Cy would say
Pretty.

[restive warren]

[coarse escarp]

OK I don’t get the whole chemistry thing in the Hex, I have been doing Eleanor based bounties and doing dialogue as told, why am I still not getting a liking from her, it’s been three days-

[little valve]

heyyyy

[willow bluff]

yyyyeh

[rocky breach]

theres a max amount of chances for +chem you can get a day
+1 from their bounty, +1 from a gift and +0-2(maybe +3?) from KIM dialogue (depends on the convo that day, some have no chances, some have multiple, usually they have at least 1)

[lofty garden]

Present, conversation, bounty

[marsh pelican]

Hello ☺️

[leaden obsidian]

Hello

[marsh pelican]

@rocky breach

Hope this helps 😌

[torpid jackal]

Wazzuppp chat

[marsh pelican]

Sorry, it goes with the others 😅

It shows how much chemistry each gift gives

[coarse escarp]

Why did I activate a technocyte coda

[restive warren]

Shouldn't you know better than us?

[rocky breach]

the mixtape was too fire, couldnt put it down

[restive warren]

🔥

[odd ore]

i didnt know where to put this but turns out this can happen if you try to aim with a sniper equiped in a loading screen

[coarse escarp]

Someone please help

Why did I activate a technocyte coda

[viscid saddle]

is it normal that in the duet its not the main coda that comes but 2 different members?

[odd ore]

if your talking about in a mission then yea that normaly happens

[median topaz]

you have to go out of your way to get one

[viscid saddle]

ah ok cause i was confussed as to why i could stab them even tho they weren't the lead

[restive warren]

Are you sure it's the question you mean to ask or

Because I can't know for you "Why" but I can take a few wilds guesses.

[viscid saddle]

its pretty easy to get one tho, i didn't have to go out my way to get one

i did one mission and picked up the disc

[restive warren]

Not in the way you thought of.

[coarse escarp]

So is it hard to get rid of I’m guessing

[restive warren]

No..?

[viscid saddle]

one question about codas do i just have to stab them 4 times for them to retreat?

[restive warren]

Going to go get a Sister is also getting out of your way, worse than a Coda but still.

[restive warren]

If you're lucky.

[viscid saddle]

wdym?

[restive warren]

Well let's see

You need one parazon mod to be correct vs the 3 of Sister/Kuva correct?

[viscid saddle]

yeah

i have the right one

[restive warren]

There's 8 differents Antivirus mods.

You can fit 3 mods.

I'm not very good at maths, but assuming you get unlucky

3 mods, switch, 3 mods, switch, then you have 2 options left.

[viscid saddle]

yeah but i meant if you have the right one

[restive warren]

So that's 3 times

[viscid saddle]

so 7 times if your unlucky?

[restive warren]

patience you're making me go on wiki to find some info and bulk up some made up maths

Prob depends on the potency mods used.

But yes could be quite quick if you own Immuno Shield, Instant Secure.

[restive warren]

3 stabs.

But you need those 2 Potency mods in the first place + get lucky. So realistically it's 4 stab you were correct.

[tiny plaza]

Helping a friend he's doing Revenant quest. It says Craft a Component except he doesn't have anything to craft... I forget cause it's been a while, but is that Cetus bounties?

[pure gulch]

yeah

[magic river]

Can someone help me? I've been trying to farm Dante but the game seems to be on rotation b even after I've played it like 6 times now

[rain loom]

hey so im going crazy because i have extracted every ounce of minrels in the infested seraglio and yet i dont have thaumica anyone has a tip ?

[rocky breach]

this is how disruption rotations work

[magic river]

Tysm

[dusty shale]

/help

[rain loom]

to have the yaleri prime relics will u need aya ?

[quaint brook]

no

[sand stirrup]

I did 15 Waves of Arbi so I got 5 Rewards, but it showed I got 6 Rewards and one of them was blocked even though I was active the entire Mission? Im not annoyed that I didnt get a 6th Reward, since I didnt do anything to earn it, Just confused

Oh and I just noticed its saying I did 18 on this screen?

Did I somehow blank like 3 Waves or is this just a glitch ive never encountered before?

[tired nova]

I hope they make health tanking viable in high level, and I'm definitely saying that cause of valkitty and not because of my tri umbral lavos

[boreal pier]

I hope they make triumbral viable O___O

[compact sable]

healthgating ww@

honestly even when healthtanking "works" I just hate doing it

because the idea that I could just fall over at any random moment feels pretty awful

[restive warren]

They buffed their combo together already once.

I doubt they would again. (PS: I wouldn't be against it all)

[rocky breach]

I sometimes using a vulpaphyla for the health gating

[tired nova]

I mean hey my lavos can go up to like 300 so far that I've tested so I'd say it's pretty good

[restive warren]

Archon Vit tho

But yeah it's very tempting to tirumbral him

[compact sable]

I run cat + double recharge on him

[opaque oar]

hey de, is there a way to exchange a recovered nightwave challenge for a new one?

[tired nova]

I meeeeaaaan yeah but it's only one stack and lavos doesn't apply new stacks as fast as other frames, he's really more of a weapons platform then anything

[opaque oar]

I got the challenge to do an ayatan hunt....... after i did the ayatan hunt for the week

[restive warren]

DE isn't in chat very often, also no :D

[opaque oar]

damn that kinda sucks...

[boreal pier]

ye fire isnt rly the best for lavos

[rocky breach]

Sadly if you get 2 recovered challenges (or however many recover slots there are) which you can't do for whatever reason, you're in a pickle

[fair flame]

Do the ones recoverd and it will changed to other recoverd challenges. It's dat simple

[opaque oar]

... bro if u scroll youll see that i already did the challenge before i got the challenge

i did the ayatan hunt, did a recovered challenge, then got the challenge to do another ayatan hunt

[restive warren]

Yes that mean you skipped on one the same one on a previous week.

[strong field]

do i need to build a voidring in order to compleat the new war?

[marsh linden]

No

[fathom cipher]

not anymore

[opaque oar]

nah im aware, just didnt like the condesension from the dude is all

[tired nova]

It's kinda ironic how the frame who can use all elements actually kinda sucks for most of the archon mods, save for continuity, I won't hear any argument against it

[restive warren]

I can't hear tones of voice through text so I can't say I agree with you

[boreal pier]

ye I mean continuity is usually fine but nothing spectacular

just a nice bonus basically no downside

[restive warren]

Anyways

[fair flame]

Why don't you just join someone else's atatan hunt and finish it that way.

[restive warren]

Valkyr Heirloom right?

[fair flame]

[opaque oar]

? those are solo only, right?

[fathom cipher]

reli access soon right?

[pure gulch]

looking respectfully

[fathom cipher]

no they public

[restive warren]

Nope.

[fair flame]

Not at all you just need to be in a party

[pure gulch]

21st

[opaque oar]

?? ive been playing for years i couldve sworn theyre solo??

dang ok

[restive warren]

I grabbed my friend and dragged her through it against her consent (She went afk)

[opaque oar]

thanks guys

[pure gulch]

no public mm but if you’re in a party you can do it

[marsh linden]

Theres no matchmaking but you can do a premade

[tired nova]

Stretch is completely useless, vitality is...fine, ig, intensify is only good on a health tank build in which you'd use tri umbral anyway, continuity is the only good kne on him

[opaque oar]

ohh i see, i get it now

[lyric lotus]

[fathom cipher]

wouldve been me if i didnt already complete my 15 missions nightwave mission

[restive warren]

She couldn't tell I was done by the time she came back

[boreal pier]

shouldnt use triumbral for hp tank tho

its rly inefficient

[restive warren]

Absolutely

[tired nova]

Helps so much with...impetus I think it's called

[fathom cipher]

ok i go play more arknights

[tired nova]

I mean what would you use instead?

[fair flame]

In hype of valkre rework have this cuteness.

[restive warren]

He said cata and shield recharge I think?

[boreal pier]

arcanes or other flat sources of armor and hp

way more for less cost unless its like inaros

[restive warren]

Lavos has a lot of hp, so I'm not 100% sure

Wait no armor

[fair flame]

@lyric lotus glad you did the same reaction as de Steve did to thus same art peace on a dev stream

[restive warren]

Either or

[tired nova]

Lavos is in like the top 3 or 5 for highest base armor isn't he?

[restive warren]

I don't remember the exact number but he was up there

It's hard to beat Valk

[lyric lotus]

[tired nova]

Especially with the new rework

[brave flare]

I think the concrete man has the 2nd highest armor

[fair flame]

Curse you face book and making uses the low quality copy

[tired nova]

Valk, chernoble, and idk the 3rd

[restive warren]

Sad they sorta killed armor with SP

[tired nova]

But I think it's lavos

[lyric lotus]

I hope it rains today, too much heat to do anything 🥵

[fair flame]

“Stay focused, there’s a Heavy Unit approaching…”

[brave flare]

In most cases you can health tank in steel path until like level 1k enemies show up

[restive warren]

Qorvex is surpassing Valkyr atm

Idk after rework however.

[boreal pier]

they gave qorvex and valkyr highest armor despite being perma invulnerable SMH

[fair flame]

Tho with here rework she will become the armor domonent Queen

[rocky breach]

Armour and hp are fine
What isn't fine is the mod slot investment and opportunity cost needed, compared to other methods

[restive warren]

Yeah

[fair flame]

Hay his augment didn't exist so you can't account for that

[boreal pier]

without augment hes still perma invuln shrug

[fair flame]

What you smoking to brake the game that hard you have permanent invincibility?

[brave flare]

I think you need like 3 slots for health tanking vs shield gating which uses 2 slots

[boreal pier]

press 4, now hes invulnerable?

[fair flame]

Ahh yes 2 second invincibility...

[restive warren]

Yeah his 4 always had an invul

With enough casting speed...

[boreal pier]

yes 2 second invincibility with no cooldown

[restive warren]

I mean it's not that long so maybe just one

[fair flame]

But a massive energy cost

[boreal pier]

not rly

[restive warren]

100

[brave flare]

That's what universal fallout is for

[boreal pier]

qorvex has 0 energy issues unless its a no enemy density mission

[tender perch]

Fatty

[restive warren]

The real wording is: "We have enough different ways to get energy"

[boreal pier]

just run efficiency and seismic bond and its done

[fair flame]

That's that real issues it's too easy to get energy now

[restive warren]

😩

[brave flare]

We just can't stop winning

[restive warren]

Well I knew after they removed the punishment from dying in Arbi that Casual gaming just ate my game so idk