gameplay-discussion

[lucid shell]

hi!

[toxic spire]

Omg a famous turtle!

Hi!

[untold void]

How do i get more color options for companions? just got a panzer vulpaphyla and i want to customize it.

[solid timber]

how do i get my raijack to have a lot of health??

[lucid shell]

you'd have to look for fur patterns. Teasonai at cetus can get you a few to start with. Others can be bought for plat. Some also appeared in specific nightwaves. maybe there will be more there but companion-related merchants and plat is your best bet

[daring parrot]

mods and upgrading the parts

[lucid shell]

Lavan MK III plating has the best max effective hp aka the amount of damage your railjack can withstand before a critical breach

[solid timber]

thank u both

[lucid shell]

just fyi mk III vidar plating is 2nd by very close, zetki is much worse and sigma belongs to the cheapskate grindset. If you can do a veil railjack mission with any sigma plating you're a chad but logically speaking you'd be better off with literally any other house's mk I plating at max rank if you're using mk III sigma

Sigma house is known to be early game slop you'd get before trying to find something better

But it's okay: mk 3 sigma can get you through venus easily. You should however take that time to upgrade another house's mk 1 plating before trying to tackle on higher grade stuff

[misty cosmos]

Which of these two are better?

This is my first ever riven so I don’t really know what a good one looks like

[digital charm]

I’d go with left especially if you have primed cryo rounds

[misty cosmos]

I was eyeing the toxi-cronido, mostly because of viral damage

Nice

[lucid shell]

someone has to agree with me that 4x vidar plating but no lavan ones is sus from rng

[median topaz]

doesn't lavan plating drop as a mission reward

[lucid shell]

they literally have the same source and chances

Also i got my first lavan. about time

This is still bad rng because it's 1 lavan out of 5 platings, the other 4 being vidar.

this is garbage rng people. Idk if i did something bad or if it matters, but I'm so unlucky rn

I still need to farm some 😭

[sick plover]

blergh. no way in god's green earth am i going to torture myself

[lofty garden]

Ivara says hello

[sick plover]

as much as i'd love to, its just not worth the wasted time

[lofty garden]

takes 8 min

if you are medallion hunting, takes longer

[sick plover]

kuva fortress is literal hell for medallions

[median topaz]

Golden Instinct + Orokin Eye

but also why do medallion hunts at all

[sick plover]

each mission with medallions is a free 10k extra standing

helps for relic packs when a new PA drops

[median topaz]

that's fair

[sick plover]

once im done with this MD, i'll show you how unhinged i am

for the longest time i used equinox (day) for syndicates

today i decided to spruce it up and change to box breaker loot skeletony

[languid olive]

Anyone has suggestions for big nuke gara prime build?

[sick plover]

all these squares make a circle
all these squares make a circle
all these squares make a circle

[languid olive]

I already 4 forma'd her but need reassurance

[lucid shell]

Posted this in #fashion-frame because apparently Yachtframe doesn't exist

[sick plover]

any medallion-farmers amongst us?

what y'alls getup?

[sudden tendon]

Among us!

[lucid shell]

usually i don't farm for medallions but when i do i just run orokin eye titania and go operator when i have to pick up one.

[sudden tendon]

Most people just use orokin eye

[lucid shell]

also ඞ

[sudden tendon]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/694254455180361768/836721443336224838/image0-8-1.gif

[sick plover]

i used to use maim equinox with gold instinct, a sporelacer kitgun, ignis and praedos

switched out to xaku since today, feels so much better

[pearl parcel]

found a hilarious weapon

[lucid shell]

which one?

[sick plover]

i swear even if i say "a mongoose" i'd be attacked by the amogus icon

[pearl parcel]

its a grenade launcher that fires 7 grenades in a burst
even though you load one

[lucid shell]

I found out this thing

[pearl parcel]

"area denial frame: fires a burst of grenades that all spawn damaging fields"

[lucid shell]

what kind of crackpilled grenade launcher is that?

[pearl parcel]

a funny one

[sick plover]

imagine a weapon in warframe like beggar's bazooka from tf2

you actually charge up your weapon but going over hurts you

[lucid shell]

yeah i can see the kind of weapon that is : sniffing glue-type weapon

[pearl parcel]

Area Denial Frame: burst fire grenade launcher that spawns damaging areas wherever its projectiles land

and its a single shot weapon that shoots out liek 7 grenades, its a toob

[sick plover]

in a sense, a self-damage wep is gonna be chroma's fave wep

[median topaz]

I remember the days

[sick plover]

i miss the ole days of self-damaging with the explosive hikou

[lucid shell]

DUDE. Stop with Destiny 2 stuff I don't play that game

[pearl parcel]

no

[lucid shell]

I don't know when you are refering to it

[pearl parcel]

this toob fires 7 grenades one after another, after loading 1

[lucid shell]

I assumed you were talking about an obscure warframe weapon, i had to look it up on the wiki

[sudden tendon]

Aint it only 3 grenades

[pearl parcel]

nope, its 7

[sudden tendon]

Oh damn

[pearl parcel]

yeah its super powerful

[lucid shell]

Brothers, I can't relate at all to you two because i'm the only guy here who doesn't play that game on a regular basis. Stop assuming i know what yall are talking about it makes me uncomfortable 😭

Makes me look and feel dumb

[daring parrot]

he only talks about other games in this server lol

[pearl parcel]

go and learn, play destiny

[fathom cipher]

yeah sleepy is like the only person who is never on topic here so dont pay it any mind

i have no clue what he talks about as well so im in the same boat as u there lol

i never touched d2 as well lol

[lucid shell]

But i don't wanna : it's not the type of game to be designed with newbies in mind

[daring parrot]

d2 is cool but this is not the place to constantly talk about it lol

especially the channel

[fathom cipher]

hes just a hardheaded dude as well so just ignore him if u want

[daring parrot]

fair

[pearl parcel]

and warframe is? no game is truly friendly to new players, so go and become an old player

[fathom cipher]

i gotta grind plat up again. hopefully i can just grab my arcanes and last mods

[daring parrot]

yeah warframe is

[lucid shell]

Some are more than others. Destiny 2 is among the worse ones

[fathom cipher]

its a warframe server still

[lucid shell]

Dude, i became half-decent at planetside 2 and it has one of the worst new player experiences in the gaming industry. I know what i'm talking about.
Destiny 2 is even worse because you'd have to catch up with a story you didn't even partake in with some parts that are unplayable at this point. For F2Ps you either have PVP which has a toxic scene or events nobody who knows what they're doing care for, unless there's some meta weapon there.

I'm not trying to diss this game, i'm just saying that Destiny 2's not noob friendly. Also friendly reminder this is a warframe server so i'd look for a destiny 2 one if i were you

[sick plover]

honestly, the downside of trying to get into des2 is more or less you have to have the expansions for it to be even remotely playable

[lucid shell]

There's that too

[eager belfry]

As a former D2 vet, it's a lot worse than Warframe new player wise. Imagine if DE took out Natah through to Second Dream and then people had to explain the lore

[sick plover]

i mean, game-element wise, warframe has a terrible new player experience in some departments

[eager belfry]

Yeah, it could definitely be improved on

[sick plover]

try to explain modding to someone without referencing youtube, its like pulling teeth.

[lucid shell]

It is, but it's actively being worked on.
Destiny 2 doesn't do anything about the lore

[sick plover]

you'd probably need some kind of video with subway sufers under it to keep people watching a tutorial on modding ingame

that being said, it doesnt help that the brunt of the good stuff is locked behind terrible grinds like all-vaults spy

ie. 60/60 melee, pistol and rifle mods

[fathom cipher]

they need to add a lil things for vault stuff ngl. i feel like they need to be introduced more and kind of a lil system for it

[lucid shell]

Out of the two beginner experiences i had between warframe and des 2, i'd say the former is the better one by a large margin. Even if the game is confusing, i could just look up videos on the internet and ask people around. For destiny 2 I didn't feel the game took a lot of efforts for the newbie experience, i found it quite confusing. At least with warframe i could search on the net what to do but with destiny i don't even have that : i always get told to buy the DLCs and for a game that's presented as a "free to play" it doesn't sound free at all.

[sick plover]

Destiny is more a free to try game if anything

[lucid shell]

True, but so are demos

[sudden tendon]

Dont forget the 13 popups asking u to buy stuff when u first load in

[sudden tendon]

Difference is that this isn’t advertised as a demo

[lucid shell]

I forgot about that too

[sick plover]

i mean, each game has its ups and downs

[lucid shell]

yes, none is perfect. Those who are close are usually much simpler

[sick plover]

destiny has raids, which we still havent gotten back

i missed out on the raids shoulder thingy

still cant get them ;-;

[fathom cipher]

raids would be cool

[sudden tendon]

missed opportunity imo

[sick plover]

i understand that they had to be fixed

but its been like what? 8-9 years?

[lucid shell]

This takes too long ngl

I'm pretty sure they're an afterthought by now

If it's even remembered by de at all

[sick plover]

honestly, with their arcanes being relegated to eidolons, i doubt they'd bring it back, ever.

out of curiousity, if everyone here had the ability to make a few QoL updates, what would they be?

[lucid shell]

They'd need a new loot pool and nobody wants to do that

[sick plover]

mine would be:

1. Always night-time bounty for eidolons
2. Fissure QoL, all enemies spawn in corrupted.

[pearl parcel]

you can automatically dump every single dupe mod into credits or endo

[sudden tendon]

I think they got scared after the first one

[lucid shell]

Mine would be exalted weapons being moddable from navigation

[sudden tendon]

Always void cascade fissures at all times🔥

[sick plover]

OH IKR

why havent exalteds been added to that loadout change thing

[sudden tendon]

U cant even see it in the companion app

[lucid shell]

ever since the navigation loadout thing got added, i feel frustrated as a titania main because everytime i want to make a change to my dex pixia/diwata, i have to go to regular arsenal anyways. I'm surprised it wasn't brought up yet to my knowledge

[sick plover]

it was one thing i pointed out on release

but it never got patched ;-;

also, if i could do QoL changes: remove the ammo on titania, allow her to endlessly shoot.

[daring parrot]

planetside 2 mentioned

[lucid shell]

Also PLEASE DE. Make it so you can go to navigation directly after modding your parazon with requiem mods through the kuva lich menu. I need this, every lich hunter does

[sick plover]

yep. even a responce from Juice about it.

oh, before i forget i should empty my 1999 standing cap

always nice to buy some vices

[lucid shell]

Mine would be exalted weapons being moddable from navigation
Also PLEASE DE. Make it so you can go to navigation directly after modding your parazon with requiem mods through the kuva lich menu. I need this, every lich hunter does
If de makes both of these i'll be happy for a good while

For the second qol thing, the coda have that if you use the computer then go to your parazon through the coda menu : you can press escape thrice and it goes back to the PC

Why isn't this for kuva liches/sisters of parvos too yet?

[sick plover]

honestly:

Remove the 50% chance on relic from siphon, make it guaranteed.

then, remove the requiems from each respective relic, and make it always be one of the 2 relics that used to be on it, when you crack it open, you get one of the 2. guaranteed.

replace the 2 requiem mods in the relic with a respective item that is useful, like endo, kuva or forma bp

or better yet. codafy the lich system

1 requiem relic is required, kuva enemies (fortress/siphon/flood) drop kuva potency mods

[lucid shell]

Imma go to bed now, it's 1 am rn. Gn everyone

[sick plover]

but then again, oull should be removed in that case

bit cheap to have a easy clap mod if they are to codafy liches

[glacial aspen]

maybe drop the requirement from 3 requiems to 2

so Oull is still useful, and gives you space for a potency mod

making it also be irrespective of order would also be nice

[sick plover]

or make Oull be a 50% potency mod

(cant stack them ofc)

make them slightly more rare and the same way as before, from defeating a lich to 100% potency

[dense hornet]

Whats a good amount of credits to reach in order to afford upgrading most mods and buy all the useful stuff from Baro? 150 mil?

[sick plover]

amount of primed mods that you havent maxed x2m

[daring parrot]

what about buying them

[sick plover]

and perhaps, another additional 50-100m for all the items

[quasi marsh]

Seconded

[sick plover]

you'd still be stuck with a million credit trade tax, and a good amount of plat.

[daring parrot]

i meant from baro

i forget how much it costs

[daring parrot]

thats a thing already

you can select all duplicates

[sick plover]

probably meant uppon pickup, all dupes are insta-turned into X or Y

[daring parrot]

ah makes sense

vampire survivor chests choosing between chicken and coins

[potent condor]

How does one set that up?

[sick plover]

you do not.

[daring parrot]

its not a thing

[potent condor]

Darn, you had me hoping.

[sick plover]

we were spitballing about if you could make a Quality of Life update, what would it be

[sick plover]

also to answer that question

[dense hornet]

But that number is all of Baro's stuff including cosmetics right? Theres way more cosmestics than mods/guns right?

[sick plover]

this is EVERYTHING

that has ever been in his stock

[potent condor]

There is a quick sell which I already use though. Selects all silver or below mods to sell and you can leave one mod extra incase you need one later. Doesn't count ranked mods.

[sick plover]

which, i am to believe only appears uppon mr10+

[pearl parcel]

for every mod that goes to 15 or 16 pips, its reasonable to budget 2mil credits per

[potent condor]

I'm L2, so I have no clue.

[sick plover]

for the primed mods from baro, you could look up the amount of primed mods and just to times 2m

53 baro primed mods

https://wiki.warframe.com/w/Primed_Mods

i skipped any login primed mod

[pearl parcel]

all galvanic and archon mods must also be accounted

[sick plover]

they arent baro mods tho.

[sick plover]

as rydell was asking about stuff from baro

[pearl parcel]

upgrading most mods

[sick plover]

if we acount for all archon mods, there's like what? 5?

[pearl parcel]

5, and all galv mods

[sick plover]

and galvanized, rifle, pistol, shotty and melee all have 3, so 12.

but iirc, galvanized are categorized as "rare" and thus are 30k to max

lemme check

[pearl parcel]

nope, 1-2 mil

[coarse escarp]

So

[sudden tendon]

Yeah they’re cheaper than primed mods

[coarse escarp]

How does Defence rotation C awards work

[sick plover]

huh, steel's only 10k endo

[coarse escarp]

It’s like like

15 minutes in that is a rotation C type reward?

[sick plover]

defence is every 3 rounds is a rot

AABC, so 12 waves is C

[coarse escarp]

Ah so for coba that would be the case

[sick plover]

Survival -> 5, 10 is A 15 is B and 20 is C

[coarse escarp]

Ok ima keep doing that for a mod that I need

[sick plover]

for spy and disruption, the rotation is somewhat more unique

each successful hack for spy is a rotation

so 3 success is C, 2 is B

it may look confusing, but this is about it

disruption has to be my favorite

[coarse escarp]

Where did you find that btw

[sick plover]

https://wiki.warframe.com/w/Mission_Rewards#Reward_Rotations

[pearl parcel]

why would it not be every fifth wave, thats the rotations for leaving

[steel saffron]

I find disruption as my favorite endless game mode

[sick plover]

fifth wave?

wuh?

[pearl parcel]

for defense, and dont ping me

[sick plover]

defense is only 3 rounds?

[pearl parcel]

you get to leave every fifth wave, so why not make rewards cycle every 5th wave

[sick plover]

it has been ever since techrot encore.

[pearl parcel]

no defense is 5 waves

[sick plover]

they shortened 5 waves to 3 with Encore.

[pearl parcel]

thats stupid

thats so stupid

[sick plover]

nah.

its better imo

more enemies per round, makes rounds go quicker with less downtime

update 38.5

[daring parrot]

3 is now way faster and better

don't see how that's stupid

[pearl parcel]

honestly man i quit when the encore came, they made coda weapons mr17 and i got sick of stuff being perpetually higher and higher mr

[daring parrot]

it's not very hard to level up your MR to be fair

[sick plover]

i agree its dumb to lock it behind higher, MR but all in all, i dont hate the fact they did it

[pearl parcel]

its tedious, the game doesnt respect your time

[sick plover]

because it gives reason to push forward.

[daring parrot]

and 16 was already the previous limit so

[pearl parcel]

it takes a million weapons, weapons are aggravating to get and 90% of them are just mr fodder, and nothing more

[daring parrot]

sanctuary onslaught

makes things easy

[pearl parcel]

its making the weapons

[sick plover]

the only middlefinger is weapons that use forma in their craft. change my mind.

[daring parrot]

trade for plat and buy a booster

[pearl parcel]

the middle finger is that each weapon takes a day and every weapon takes different components

[daring parrot]

yeah, everything else like the clan resources you can get easily from bounties

the more you play the more general resources you will have and so you'll have to do minimum specific farming

[sick plover]

Ignis? takes a forma.
Ignis Wraith? perfectly cheap enough with no forma needed for its craft. WHAT GIVES?

[daring parrot]

lmao true

[pearl parcel]

its crafting time that angers me, especialyl the ones that take 7 or 8 materials that, themselves, take 12 hours each to craft and cant be crafted simultaneously

[sick plover]

or it uses a forma for its craft, it has no polarities when equipped.

[pearl parcel]

and a solid portion of the weapons you make wont be used ever after you level them, because its just fodder to waste your time and piss you off

[sick plover]

i learned to make peace with the craft timer, it gives me time to research other videos on how the wep acts

[pearl parcel]

it just takes so long to do anything, its tiring

plus they dont inform you that the weapons are mr17 until AFTER you've done coda, why not lock the quest that unlocks coda behind mr17?

[sick plover]

the thing is, you explain it as if you are comitting to a watching paint dry stream

there's plenty of stuff to do when something is crafting

[pearl parcel]

theres nothing to do while your weapons are building but build more weapons, its an infinite paperclip scenario and its tiring

[sick plover]

the game doesnt tell you to keep on playing

[pearl parcel]

if i want a weapon, i have the resources, let me build the god damn weapon, or make mr not tied to weapons tie it to doing missions and quests

[daring parrot]

have you ever played an mmo before?

[pearl parcel]

many, and this is an arbitrary level thats tied to what you have, not what you do

[daring parrot]

you have to progress to unlock things. gear and weapons are locked behind story and your own level

[sick plover]

stares at runescape

did i ever tell you the definition of insanity?

[pearl parcel]

are you listening to my issue at all or inserting your own terrible quote

[daring parrot]

you are complaining about grinding in an mmo

[pearl parcel]

my issue is that the level is aggravating to obtain because its not tied to acts or quests or missions, its tied to items, and items take a day to get EACH, a boat load of resources, and its tiring

[pearl parcel]

you're either illiterate or intentonally trying to aggravate me

[steel saffron]

That’s kinda the game you signed up for though. Obviously if you don’t like it more power to you. But like this game is basically an endless grind fest. Which isn’t bad if that’s your type of game. Also doesn’t help there’s like 12 years worth of content so if you’re new it’s catching up for every weapon and Warframe release

[pearl parcel]

read, read what i actually said

my issue isnt with the grind, its with the fact that its pointless and isnt tied to doing stuff its tied to making stuff, which takes days

and you dont ever use 90% of what you make, because half of the weapons are basic generico garbage

[sick plover]

i dont get it.
you complain about stuff taking too long, you can make it, you have the stuff for it, but you complain a set of weps are 1 MR higher than you currently are?

are you perhaps deadset on one single set of weapons all the time after hitting MR16, you sound like one of my friends who basically even stopped trying to level mastery past 16 once he got torid incarnon, arca plasmor, and some strong secondaries and melees.

look. if that is your mindset. power to you.

[pearl parcel]

im done, none of you are addressing my actual grievance, only things very vaguely related to it

[daring parrot]

in all MMO's most of the grinding is pointless lol you are just killing the same nest of giant lizards or killing enemies that give u little to nothing in return other than xp. it's how you progress. you signed up for this

you have to grind to get to the content you want

it's how it's always been

[sick plover]

call me weird, but i enjoy the grind

buying the newest stuff just defeats the purpose

[pearl parcel]

read this bit, this one right here, if you need i can underline it in crayon

READ what im actually mad about instead of saying "mmo lol, grind expect"

[daring parrot]

i agree, i miss some of the requirements they removed

if you give everyone everything they want without working for it the it removes all of the fun

at that point it's a nunbers game and literally nothing else

[median topaz]

MR 5 isn't a huge ask, especially with infinite retries on mastery tests

[pearl parcel]

captain what are you talking about

[sick plover]

honestly, the best change of MR tests is removing the dumb punishment.

[pearl parcel]

we're talking about high mastery, like 17

[median topaz]

Er, no they weren't?

They're talking about general requirements

[sick plover]

even 17 isnt too hard in general.

[daring parrot]

im talking about all mr requirements

[pearl parcel]

oh good, they've gone even farther from the actual topic

[median topaz]

If we're swinging back to that, I hit 17 after about six weeks

[pearl parcel]

i swear these people lick windows or something

[median topaz]

back when the Switch version first launched

[daring parrot]

are you incapable of having a civil discussion 😭

[sick plover]

3 different SoP hounds, each 9k mastery, sentinels being 9k mastery each, then the few types of kubrow 6k each

all intrinsics, RJ and drifter 1.5k each

[median topaz]

I think consoles had just gotten The Sacrifice and hadn't yet had the PoE fix to actually spawn things

[pearl parcel]

when you continually dance around the point, never addressing my actual grievance, im going to mock you

[sick plover]

clearly some people only magnetize uppon the top 10% items.

some people actually love using the weird ones

[eager belfry]

I struggle with MR cause I wanna engage in the content but I also don't want to level up weapons and be weak in that content

So I have to pick and usually I just do the content I want rather than grind weapon mastery

[pearl parcel]

i WANT the wierd ones, but 90% of weapons are generico garbage

[median topaz]

I mean the solution to that is to build a loadout for high level content and mastery farm everything else

[eager belfry]

Any weapon can be useful with enough investment

[sick plover]

MK1-Braton incarnon goes BRRRR!

[ember saffron]

I haven't paid a lot of attention to all recent changes. Does Blast now works as AoE? I have coda synapse with Blast damage and when I kill enemies sometimes they explode (white damage) and deal damage to enemies around them (So with punch through very easy to clear enemies in tight spaces)

[eager belfry]

Yeah I could do that, I just don't wanna grind out MR since my current content I like to consume is Kuva Liches and the Jade Farm

[median topaz]

go look at the status changes, they're very cool

Magnetic is an aoe

[ember saffron]

Thanks

[pearl parcel]

captain, dont you find it at all aggravating that 90% of weapons, that are required for getting mastery, are generic and boring to use

[median topaz]

no

[pearl parcel]

they take an entire day to build

sink valuable resources for somethign youll sell once its rank 30

[sick plover]

why do you keep on focusing on that "Entire Day" like you arent doing different things in the meantime?

[eager belfry]

That's just how it be, the griiiinnnndd

If it ain't for you, it ain't for you

[median topaz]

my favorite time in the game was when I had 50+ items in my foundry and I'd pull a whole loadout off the rack, try and figure out what it did, then go into a mission with rank zero weapons and frames

[sick plover]

crafting is not a "Watch paint Dry" simulator. dont act like it is.

[pearl parcel]

because its tiring to put in all those resources to make something and not get it until a day later unless i want to spend even more resources, especially considering hour tedious some are to get

[daring parrot]

if you sit around twiddling your thumbs while staring at the foundry that's on you 😭

[median topaz]

and as I hopped off of the game I'd start another whole list of builds in the foundry

[sick plover]

im more annoyed by 1 minute crafts than 12/24h crafts.

[daring parrot]

you can easily get to Mr 17 without any dojo weapons, right?

[sick plover]

why cant i loop 1 minute crafts for 10 times

[median topaz]

yeah easily

Warframe hasn't been the same since I finished crafting most of the weapons

I suppose I could finish the zaws etc but.....

[sick plover]

i call uppon my Zaw nikana, chunchunmaru

[pearl parcel]

my issue is that if i want a weapon but im not high enough level, its not doing a couple quests or actualy playing the game, its waiting and eventually doing like 5 minutes of actual work, most of your time isnt spent progressing levels its building useless garbage

[south plover]

Love the game, by the older I get, less time I have for grind and the "chances" to get a prime part.... Maybe the mobile version of the game (android) will allow me to grind more and maybe be more Lucky 🤞 on finding the right part for my frame or weapon. I should maybe try to use the Bazaar and Market more.

[daring parrot]

guys i just made pizza

[median topaz]

Can't emphathize. I ran into MR requirements like twice in my entire onboarding experience

largely because I ignored the wider Warframe community, much less the meta

[forest solar]

Fighting scaldra, Oops all eximus.

[daring parrot]

yeah when i played I didn't interact with the discord or youtube videos at all

[median topaz]

before too long I was MR15, back when the highest level gear was like 13 or 14

[sick plover]

yep. meta is a stopgap for mastery gain.

People just settle into Torid, and whatnot too soon.

[median topaz]

sure feels like it

[sick plover]

DE, GIVE US TIGRIS INCARNON AND MY LIFE IS YOURS!

[eager belfry]

I'm trying to get off my Nataruk crutch right now

[pearl parcel]

i
dont
want
meta

[median topaz]

Still kinda surprised Tigris incarnon never happened

[daring parrot]

me with my pyrana twitch prime reward

[median topaz]

try Split Flights Cinta?

[pearl parcel]

i want to try out the new weapons, screw with sporothrix for once, maybe try a fancy new weapon like bassocyst, but i cant because its mr17

[forest solar]

I'm mad i can't use cannonade on the vasto prime cause of the incarnon.

[median topaz]

you can take the incarnon off and do it

[sick plover]

so, what mastery are you atm, and how much is holding you back?

[daring parrot]

yeah but the passive effects

[pearl parcel]

either 14 or 15

[forest solar]

It won't let me. I don't have an incarnon for the vasto prime and because it CAN get an alt fire thats something other then semi it won't allow it.

[daring parrot]

that's not far at all

[pearl parcel]

the issue is that i dont want any of the weapons that there are for mastery, they are useless to me, a sink of resources and of time, and they bore the living hell out of me

[median topaz]

oh lol that's rough

[sick plover]

sentinels, hounds, intrinsics from RJ and Drifter

[daring parrot]

^^

so many alternatives

[sick plover]

and if you think about it, Duviri actually makes the weird weapons useful

[pearl parcel]

i want levelling to actually be tied to DOING stuff,

WHICH YOU WOULD KNOW IF YOU WOULD READ

[forest solar]

Yea if any of the semi weapons have an incarnon that can add something other then semi to it it's not allowed to have incarnon because of the "potential" to have something other then auto.

[median topaz]

I mean, he gave you a list of non-intrusive progressions that'd do it

If you don't want to do those then your only option is to wait

[daring parrot]

oh so like everything that was just listed

crazy lmao

[median topaz]

which is fine, it'll still be there

or like spend some plat on cheap primes

[sick plover]

im pretty sure one of my friends pretty much has a few ranks of mastery extra thanks to duviri and Railjack intrinsics.

and he loves that content

[median topaz]

yeah RJ got me through MR28 I'm pretty sure

[daring parrot]

and duvuri is easy enough to get intrinsics for bc everyone is doing their own thing and getting decrees

[sick plover]

Duviri always feels fresh to him, because it allows him to test weapons he never uses

Duviri to me is more like "hey, you can actually level and make this more useful"

[median topaz]

lmao before the railjack rework that introduced the intrinsic system me and my buddies spent like an entire month madly playing RJ every night to get all of us maxed out on it

utterly ridiculous

[sick plover]

when they added the semi firing automatically on holding fire, i was never thinking about those weps

until i was given the akbolto prime, which was rotting away

actually became a fun weapon

so many weapons that felt useless because of how they fired, suddenly became usable to a degree

[eager belfry]

Perhaps, I'm building Sybaris now

[median topaz]

oh, I kinda like Sybaris

[eager belfry]

And I got the Kuva Hek but tbh it feels a little poopy

[median topaz]

equip Scattered Justice

[sick plover]

slaps the hek augment on it

this fella has so many multishot

[eager belfry]

Don't have it yet unfortunately

But I do want it

[median topaz]

but yeah I think it's godtier rep mostly comes from Ivara 1-hit kill strats on Archons from before the damage change

Now Kuva Sobek....

[eager belfry]

I'm grinding Perrin Sequence cause I want the Inaros augment

[sick plover]

we have to thank kuva sobek for the Hek augment change.

[median topaz]

lol fr fr

[sick plover]

that being said, i really need to do some more duviri soon to see what is left to tune up

[median topaz]

I do one round of Duviri per week

mostly because I have a few incarnons left to equip

[sick plover]

the exalted change really made some frames much more viable in duviri

the odds of getting the frame + statstick beforehand was nihil.

[median topaz]

huh do frames with exalteds have builds on those exalteds if you rent them?

[sick plover]

good question, im unsure

i'd hope so, but no way to check

[median topaz]

fair enough

[sick plover]

would stink to get something like Mesa as a lender-frame and then do no damage with her regulators

[harsh ether]

I'm genuinely 100% sure at this point that sometimes the game fails to spawn enough of the stuff you need to open the safe caches. No way I've ran round the entire area several times and not even heard the chime to say ones nearby and just missed it

[sick plover]

a reddit post gave me this:

Fixed Exalted Weapons in Teshin’s Cave not using the same Mod Config as the chosen Warframe and instead using the Default Mod Config.

Exalted Weapons use the builds in your selected Mod Configs for your Warframe (i.e. it will use your custom Mod Configs if you choose them, or Default Mods should you go that route instead).

seems like they are modded

[median topaz]

it's always there, but it can spawn on different Z levels

hmm nice

Now I wonder if they were updated to use arcanes

[sick plover]

the 1999 ones?

i dont like them since encore, they switched the spawn spots of many of them

or are we speaking about the safe with the blue-line thingymabob

which usually spawns within 150m radius of the safe

that one can hide extremely cheekily.

[median topaz]

they're talking about the scaldra cache, not the safe

because they're looking for effervon charges

[sick plover]

honestly at this point i would like a patch that just makes orokin eye show all the charge spots

because they're more annoying to find than the trade-in items

doesnt help many of the locations had been rearranged since encore

i could usually so 5 charges in 20-30 seconds

now im looking around like a headless chicken

[median topaz]

just a matter of relearning

[sick plover]

my brain doesnt want to

[median topaz]

though honestly now I skip it because I have all the arcanes maxed out

[sick plover]

ditto

[median topaz]

Just building a second set slowly to give to a RL friend when he comes back

[sick plover]

and i can make 2 additional sets of each at this point

[harsh ether]

Yeah, every now and then I think they get spawned either outside the map or just not enough at all. I know it happens in deimos. Had a "kill enemies so they drop power for objective" mission where it simply did not spawn the necessary enemies that drop them

[sick plover]

in a sense, its easier to farm relics with defense, the screamer is a guaranteed arcane every 3 waves

i still have to farm me a keyboard for kalymos

[median topaz]

lol

All my heartstrings are still going towards wall Temple

[wide sorrel]

I once got filtered by the mr requirements on raids.

[restive warren]

Did they fixed it?

[pearl parcel]

hey pix

[restive warren]

Effervons charges were hard to find at all with the update that introduced Flare/Tempo archi

There's nothing to learn if they don't spawn in the first place. Lots of people stopped find them then.

[median topaz]

I think it's less fixed and more that people got used to the new placements

Most of my pub sessions still end with the crate opened

[sick plover]

yeah, i dont even bother finding them myself

i mean, if i find one, i yeet it in, but that's about it.

[restive warren]

No legit sometime after the update I'd look for the full timer and found only one while playing solo.

And yes, I checked everywhere within the radius and close to just to make sure they didn't spawn slightly outta range.

[median topaz]

huh, weird

[restive warren]

I didn't keep track of the hotfix since then tho

Again it was on day of release

That's why I'm asking "did they fixed it"

And It's not just a me issue, I asked on discord.

[median topaz]

if they did it wasn't in a hotfix note

[restive warren]

Fair enough

At least there's more insentive to buy 'em from shop now

incentive?

[median topaz]

yeah incentive

[restive warren]

Thank you

[sick plover]

im only doing 1999 bounties for the vices

[median topaz]

Speaking of, I'm looking forward to the update putting arbitration arcanes into the store

[sick plover]

1000%

finally able to finish up those dumb arcanes for once.

[median topaz]

I gave a friend every one of my arcane pisoleers last year

and I've been trying and failing to gacha them with vosfor ever since

[sick plover]

does pistoleer work on titania?

honestly, i wish titania didnt have some stupid low ammo cap

its the ONLY exalted that has ammo

is it because dex pixia are essentially shrank down archguns?

[pearl parcel]

i found a cool gun in destiny

Pychopomp, its one of the first of its unique new frame type

[restive warren]

Too bad mine are already all maxed out, but I can appreciate no one will have to go through the nightmare I went through.

(I hope they use it as an excuse to put more in there)

[glossy pelican]

Hey I got a smol question sorry to pester.

I like beam weapons, explody things, I hate aiming, headshots, all that... I also don't like meta stuff. I wanna start rolling on a riven for a cool Primary Weapon that isn't meta, but does vibe with what I like and also isn't horribly weak.

Any ideas come off the top of the dome for yall?

[restive warren]

Erh

[glossy pelican]

My partner suggested the Convectrix

[sick plover]

Amprex.

[median topaz]

It does!

[sick plover]

TENET AMPREX WHEN, DE. WHEN.

[restive warren]

We are never getting it :(

[glossy pelican]

I'll look into the Amprex! Thanks so much for an answer

[restive warren]

My hope are staying in the garbage can where it deserve to be at

[median topaz]

Primary Verminsplicer kitgun

[restive warren]

Basmu alt fire is decent too, but you need to be within shotgun range (As you can't equip range mod on it unfortunately)

[sick plover]

this link may have some weapons listed
https://wiki.warframe.com/w/Continuous_Weapon

tho it lists secondaries as well

[glossy pelican]

Thanks AA!! Yall are super helpful!

Also to the verminsplicer answer, partner (a founder) said "that's.. not bad actually"

[sick plover]

and some listed are meta in a sense.

ie. Nukor

[median topaz]

I dislike kitguns

[stable swift]

omg don't flex me like that buntaur

[glossy pelican]

WADDUP FOUNDER

[median topaz]

Primary Verminsplicer and Secondary Sporelacer are AMAZING

[restive warren]

Vermisplicer is toxin version of Amprex honestly

[glossy pelican]

so what is a kitgun?

[stable swift]

stop you're a noob you only started like a month ago

[median topaz]

Modular weapon

lolol

[restive warren]

[median topaz]

basically you build three parts that actually matter and then assemble them

[crisp lily]

Is nekro prime worth it??
1 yes
2 no

[stable swift]

I haven't introduced her to kitguns yet because quite frankly I haven't introduced myself to them yet LOL

[median topaz]

yes

What kind of founder--

[restive warren]

Do you have Khora or Hydroid?

[stable swift]

One that takes many breaks

[median topaz]

pfft

[restive warren]

Because if the answer to my question is "No" Nekros prime gets higher on the priority list.

[sick plover]

hear me out.

A R I S E

[restive warren]

https://tenor.com/view/solo-leveling-solo-leveling-arise-igris-arise-gif-2958224079079570379

[sick plover]

why do i hear packet saying arise?

[restive warren]

Season 2 when

[sick plover]

season 2 has finished, buddy

[stable swift]

nekros with a single purple equib shard makes despoil redundant which makes him feel hella sleek now n.n

[restive warren]

3

[glossy pelican]

I just super want a brainless beam or kaboom gun that I can still invest in enough to call a "forever gun" after everything is said and done

[restive warren]

You know what I mean

Next, I want more

I'm dying of old age here

[glossy pelican]

Also OCD is making this game hard for me I omnia forma'd every slot on my Wisp Prime

lol

[restive warren]

I feel that

[sick plover]

now. do it again.

[restive warren]

When people separated their gold mods from each other at birth 😩

[glossy pelican]

Actually so, my second wisp prime, I wanna omnia forma every other slot but umbra three slots

So I get 12 fashionframes for wisp prime

[restive warren]

I want to triumbra Wisp just so I can ramrod Arcane Bellicose ngl

[stable swift]

she's already onto the endgame..

[restive warren]

But I'm abstaining myself

[glossy pelican]

I have arcane bellicose!!! AA

[sick plover]

wisp: I CAST SUN, PREPARE TO MEET GOD!

[glossy pelican]

YES

[restive warren]

You need around like 2,400 or something (It's written on wiki) to fully benefit

[glossy pelican]

Hello welcome to ORB

[sick plover]

imagine max range sol gate augment

[restive warren]

Unleash the sun

[harsh ether]

Is it just me or is Cyte neuroptics blueprints stupidly rare

[median topaz]

yeah Verminsplicer

[glossy pelican]

My current build with archon stretch is full orb

[median topaz]

All the kitguns can be built at MR1 and if you build the right one it's usable to endgame

[sick plover]

HERE COMES THE SUN TU-DU-DU-DU!

[glossy pelican]

I go Sunny D on em and unleash the power of the sun

[glossy pelican]

I'll GO FOR IT!

[restive warren]

Vermisplicer can benefit from Battery arcane so you never run out of ammo

Cycron decent too and not META because Nukor exist

It's the wallmart pocket edition

[glossy pelican]

Okay I just looked up the video on the verminsplicer

[restive warren]

It tentickles gun, no it's not a typo

[glossy pelican]

love that vibe, very cool

[median topaz]

you can build it as a crit weapon, status weapon or hybrid

and basically every way you build it, it's good

[glossy pelican]

So what am I looking for, in the Riven? 🙂

[median topaz]

eh depends

[restive warren]

Multishot and CD if you go for crit version of the build which I think it's recommended?

[median topaz]

the upside is that kitgun rivens are dirt cheap because no one uses kitguns for reasons I understand

[sick plover]

because they can be a nuisance to make

[median topaz]

this is unfortunately true

[sick plover]

a jingle-jangle of fortuna resources

sometimes i just wanna grab my newbie friends into the exploiter orb

[median topaz]

shame exploiter is a seven minute long fight

hahaha

[sick plover]

just let exploiter rain resources

[restive warren]

I mean

Phase 1 was skippable, until they made it so you couldn't cheese it with Nova anymore :(

I wish they brought that feature back

[median topaz]

I remember when Unairu could instantly deplete Profit Taker's shields

[restive warren]

Antimatter drop cheese you shall be missed 🫡

[median topaz]

just pop it

[restive warren]

xD

Feature

[glossy pelican]

okay lets go gamblinggg

[median topaz]

https://tenor.com/view/warframe-koumei-warframe-koumei-gambling-gif-6157563614102499688

[restive warren]

I wish you luck and a good harmful negative and max rolls 🫡

[sick plover]

https://tenor.com/view/koumei-gambling-awdangit-koumei-gambling-mrwarframeguy-gif-14566313064866036936

[restive warren]

I really hope Koumei gets an augment for her 1

[median topaz]

oh also beg Dirii for a Primary Crux

[stable swift]

she already got one~

[restive warren]

NICE

[median topaz]

[restive warren]

That reminds me I should update the build

Future me problem, add it to the list 🗒️

[glossy pelican]

So.. I stop here, right?

[restive warren]

Lemme double check puncture value rq

[median topaz]

that's uhh

[restive warren]

Oh I forgot, Cap are in-game rn?

[median topaz]

not right now

[restive warren]

Wiki was unhelpful

[median topaz]

1.5 3.5 4.5 4.5
IPS+ toxin in that order

[sick plover]

puncture is a minority stat

[median topaz]

so puncture is the third best damage stat on it

[glossy pelican]

So... I got a good riven right away?

[median topaz]

Yeah I think you're done

[restive warren]

I thought impact is

[glossy pelican]

or no?

WOO!

[restive warren]

erh I'd say keep for now but try to get diff negative

[median topaz]

Toxin and slash are tied

[restive warren]

Yeah but punc not far behind tho

[median topaz]

yeah

[wide sorrel]

does that riven actually sell for like 5k lol

[median topaz]

no way

[restive warren]

Is it a question or statement?

[median topaz]

Kitgun rivens don't sell

[stable swift]

Most expensive riven I've personally sold was just below 2k? It was an arca triton riven.

[wide sorrel]

a question.

[restive warren]

Nah like Captain said

[median topaz]

but on most other weapons it'd be pretty close to a godroll

if not one outright

[restive warren]

Also the weightage (Is that a wording) partly hurt the weap a bit, not much because of Toxin/Slash taking priority

[glossy pelican]

Woohoo!

[restive warren]

Realistically it would be better neg impact or neg zoom (Thought the latter is the obvious vanilla go to)

[glossy pelican]

It took me like four rolls. I'm happy with it.

Even if it's not perfect

[median topaz]

yeah you're not likely to get a better roll anytime soon

[restive warren]

It's super hard to get perfect, you're super lucky to get it in 4rolls

[median topaz]

oh it's actually different on primary it seems

[restive warren]

Ah?

[median topaz]

higher toxin lower puncture

[restive warren]

Yeah primary vs secondary Vermi different in behavior

[median topaz]

5 6 10 12

[restive warren]

I think secondary isn't the beam tentacle

Perfect

[median topaz]

impact/puncture/slash/toxin

yeah, god roll

[glossy pelican]

WOOOO

Thanks sooo much for suggesting this weapon to me

[restive warren]

I hope you enjoy it

[glossy pelican]

I am so excited to use it

Yall're just so cool ;~; okay not to have a cringy aside here, but warframe community, dang yall

Such a good community

[median topaz]

we try

[stable swift]

Instantly messaged btw.

[median topaz]

hahahahahahaha

[glossy pelican]

wowie

[median topaz]

so yeah only thing left is the actual kitgun build

I'd suggest Steadyslam/Arcroid

slot Pax Charge

[restive warren]

They need to let us put sinister reach on Basmu

[glossy pelican]

Thanks!! I don't know what that means yet, but I will 😄

Also I forgot to check whats the riven disposition on this weapon

[restive warren]

It's decent, most kitguns have decent dispo

[median topaz]

3 dots

[restive warren]

Wait what

[median topaz]

so you take a 10% hit to the stats

[restive warren]

Damn, it went up since I touched it

I need to rob Ark of his riven

[median topaz]

hahaha

oh funny, secondary Verminsplicer has a higher dispo

1.1x

[restive warren]

Yeah it's not as good :(

It's 💩

First time I did vermi was as a secondary

It was a mistake

[median topaz]

yeah oof big mistakey

[stable swift]

I didn't get in on that twitch grab bag

[restive warren]

Vay hek noggle

[median topaz]

friend of mine got 50 Vor noggles

[wide sorrel]

8k plat would have me selling in a heartbeat ngl

[median topaz]

funniest one I saw was a guy getting 2 ducats

[glossy pelican]

I mean I almost said yes to the 2500

That's more plat than I ever had before

[wide sorrel]

2500 is definitely temptation. 8k is a hard sell.

[median topaz]

2500 plat is a lot of slots

[stable swift]

he has no noggles

[median topaz]

ammo drum hahaha

[glossy pelican]

No noggles? Deal's off bro

[median topaz]

absolute classic

[glossy pelican]

Need the maidenless meme but noggleless

[restive warren]

No 5heads 3d printed character smh

[wide sorrel]

an orbiter filled with noggles with the caption no noggles?

[median topaz]

just wait unti you hit Apostasy Prologue

[stable swift]

trade negotions over

[glossy pelican]

LOL

[median topaz]

come to think of it primary crux means i should probably build a new Verminsplicer

[final bloom]

is mirage better at nuking or sevagoth?

[glossy pelican]

Mirage Prime seems to nuke the heck out of the sanctuary onslaughts i'm in

[median topaz]

trade off is that it destroys your pickups

[final bloom]

its not really for eso ngl

I got volt for that shi

[restive warren]

Watchu need it for?

[stable swift]

if it's not for eso then grab a sevagoth and stuff him full of strength tauforgeds

[median topaz]

meanwhile augmented Sevagoth can nuke or soften up entire crowds

I'd still probably suggest a Wisp

[glossy pelican]

I'M A WISP

[median topaz]

get that Breach Surge going

[restive warren]

Sevagoth at least you have nice back view

[glossy pelican]

with a volt buff

[restive warren]

Just sayin'

[final bloom]

Faxxx

[glossy pelican]

wisp back view 😏

[median topaz]

Wisp is the reason First Descendent exists

[restive warren]

XD

I keep calling TFD Goonerframe

[median topaz]

it really is

Oh remember that gacha game that straight up stole a bunch of Warframe powers

[restive warren]

Ohhhh

[median topaz]

like, anime Hydroid

[restive warren]

[glossy pelican]

Is there a way to go into captura with no weapons?

[median topaz]

sorry, MORE anime Hydroid

[glossy pelican]

I wanted to show off my devilman wisp

[restive warren]

Unequip most of 'em and go into gear wheel grab scanner

[median topaz]

make your weapons invisible in the arsenal

[restive warren]

😩 They added that?

But yeah old way was just grabbing your scanner

[median topaz]

dunno if you can do it with your equipped weapon tbh

[restive warren]

Grateful it's no longer necessary

[restive warren]

ah, yeah that's how we do it with last equipped weap. You just hold any Scanner: Simaris one or the og one.

[median topaz]

fair nuff

wait until Warframe adds models for those

[restive warren]

I just want the ability to move limbs in Captura mode ngl

[median topaz]

drives me crazy you can't

I was trying to do a bunch of shots on the ice mountain captura

[restive warren]

I just want nice pose that I don't need to wrestle with the emotes to do

(PS: I'm not winning)

[median topaz]

[next kiln]

Wat

[next kiln]

Oh captain my captain

[median topaz]

https://tenor.com/view/warframe-shadow-stalker-new-war-hunhow-gif-27625690

[restive warren]

[next kiln]

I wanna wear a bear costume for Canada day 💀

[restive warren]

Trust

[next kiln]

Or salmon seems interesting

[restive warren]

Can you really bear it tho

[next kiln]

Nuh uh

[restive warren]

[next kiln]

I'm not smart enough to pun back but nice one

[restive warren]

You can have moose or geese costume but you gotta charge at people if you do

Gotta stay in character

[next kiln]

I want a beever one

But they only got bear and salmon but either way I'm not volunteering for it sadge

Unless...

[median topaz]

https://tenor.com/view/hundreds-of-beavers-runnin-funny-run-gif-12300518006294095185

[next kiln]

I would run at kids in a beever suit 💀

[stable swift]

alright, how do we build a primary crit vermisplicerr? I think I rememberr Captain tossing out some parts here but I scrolled and couldn't find it (blind me)

[next kiln]

Why u want to be blinded?

[median topaz]

Arcoid + Steadyslam

[stable swift]

tyty

[restive warren]

Isn't that for status?

Or that's the updated one?

[median topaz]

No arcroid boost both crit and status at the expense of reload

[restive warren]

-PTSD reload time of TFD with all the negative reload mods on-

[median topaz]

between the riven and primary crux they're set to have a best of all worlds

[restive warren]

Ahhh I have the old build that's sorta closer to make it look like Amprex that's why

[median topaz]

yeah I built mine the same way, trade status for crit

[next kiln]

I wanna sleep in the sunlight on a flower field ._.

[median topaz]

but primary crux

[restive warren]

tru

[stable swift]

is there a difference betweem macro arcoid and regular arcoid?

[median topaz]

Bigger buff to magazine size and bigger negative to reload speed

[stable swift]

ah okay

[median topaz]

I figure she uses Pax Charge to sidestep it entirely

[stable swift]

sounds like the right move. so which one to go with? macro then?

[median topaz]

regular I think

[stable swift]

kk ty

[median topaz]

double checked and yeah, you don't want to completely dump reload speed because charge still checks your base reload

[restive warren]

Assuming you wanna try hard if you use one build with the rad mod I think it has reload on it. But idk if one would want 2 vermi

[next kiln]

Flower field

[median topaz]

man I wish you could disassemble kitguns you haven't gilded

[restive warren]

That would be too convenient

[median topaz]

apparently it's a coding issue

[next kiln]

I wish we could disassemble cwispy

[restive warren]

[median topaz]

That WAS how it was supposed to work but they ran into some huge problem with it

[next kiln]

Would be fun

[restive warren]

Spaghet codes or engine issue?

[median topaz]

don't remember so I'm going to go with "yes"

[restive warren]

That's very fair

But realistically prob engine, if it was spaghet codes there would be a fixing it "at some point"

Well... Actually idk considering kitgun isn't that popular

[median topaz]

right?

maybe they would have fixed it if modular archwings had been a thing

[restive warren]

I'm still sad about modular archwings got abandonned

Well... "Put on the backburner" to never be mentioned again

[marsh linden]

Rip archwings in general

[median topaz]

not surprising though, given the direction the game ended up going

[marsh linden]

Now they are just a funny looking jetpack

[restive warren]

Didn't they vaguely mentioned them wanting to rework archwing in general "again" ?

A few devstream back or so

[median topaz]

maybe they'll do a Jupiter open world where you use them to jump between bubbles or landmasses

though that's kinda what Duviri originally was way early on

[restive warren]

It's okay I'll just commit pony off cliffs

[next kiln]

Wut

[median topaz]

lol you totally could couldn't you

[restive warren]

or pepega off cliff* same picture tho

I mean I don't see point of getting in archwing to get off archwing when I just ride pony and do all that

I'm still butthurt there's no mod for the honse.

[median topaz]

fam

you can't mod Merulina

I am still in despair

[restive warren]

Meanwhile K-Drives mods are just sitting there being confused

[daring parrot]

yet you can literally link her config in chat 😭

[median topaz]

talk about systems that need updates

[daring parrot]

also you cant equip the velocipod skin on her

[median topaz]

are you SERIOUS

[restive warren]

I'm still heartbroken about that, more that I'd like to admit

[daring parrot]

yes to both

[median topaz]

https://tenor.com/view/duviri-paradox-warframe-dominus-dominus-thrax-gif-10048032957248030215

[restive warren]

My cute infested dragonfly

Arcanes for K-drives when

[next kiln]

Monk

[median topaz]

how about a use for k-drives first

[restive warren]

I just do them outside ngl

[median topaz]

not even being mean, I like the idea, but they need a use

[restive warren]

Thought now with honse...

[restive warren]

They we'd need a gamemode that give it a reason to be honestly

[median topaz]

some kind of "tee-hee I'm so clever" move like hovering over damage floors in a vault or something

[restive warren]

Thought I'm not sure how a gamemode forcing you to use K-drives would be received by the community

[median topaz]

oh they'd hate it

but like, k-drive down cables on Gas City

[restive warren]

It would be another RJ, people that like it/like it and the people that don't wanna burn it down with a torch and pitchfork

[median topaz]

mostly content like railjack needs more reason to run it

Like, we need more stages and variety of rewards

[restive warren]

People don't like how slow it is and how long it takes to grind good gear to get to the point it's "Fast enough"

[sudden tendon]

Issue with that is that theres not much interest in it

[restive warren]

Also people that have easy movement sickness generally don't wanna touch RJ

[next kiln]

U monk

[median topaz]

chicken and egg situation

[sudden tendon]

So they risk losing a good chunk of the players if they do a full rj update

[restive warren]

I know 2 of my friends that have it don't touch nemesis system anymore because Lich/Sister etc got moved to space

[sudden tendon]

What is that

[restive warren]

They can't look outside the RJ

They need to stare at the RJ wall if they do.

I offered to let them drive in hope it's not as bad

No luck

[sudden tendon]

😭

[pearl parcel]

hey jon

[median topaz]

People who don't do railjack fall into two groups. People like Kath's friends who get sick, and people who don't feel the rewards are worth it

[next kiln]

[median topaz]

railjack's a content cul-de-sac, people don't play it because doing railjack mostly makes you better at doing railjack

[sudden tendon]

Ic

[pearl parcel]

dnd can bring up some of the most interesting debates and topics

[next kiln]

There's 3 u forgot the ones who don't like it at all so they don't even bother

[median topaz]

Those people aren't human and don't count

[pearl parcel]

im arguing with a cleric about whether a construct can technically be alive

[median topaz]

[next kiln]

Ur not huumon

[median topaz]

Warforged: Am I a joke to you

[next kiln]

I just realized where I live there is a garden hmmm

[pearl parcel]

im talking about an animate statue, countless dwarven generations old to the point that the very carvings taht once recorded its creation have been sanded off and buried by time itself

it acts exactly like a dwarf does, same mannerisms, same speech, same accent, but is visibly a construct

it can think, it can speak, if given an oversized writing implement it cna write, it can read

by what measure is it not alive, since it can do all things a living thing can do

[median topaz]

It's actually going to depend on whether it's been imbued with a soul or not

Since in DnD that's the actual distinction

Constructs don't typically have them, even intelligent ones

modrons
Shut up we're not getting into Planescape rules

[restive warren]

Considering how there's few lore in different game (That are sorta atrocious on how soul got into construct in the first place or why), doing that I could see it as a thing

[median topaz]

Anyway yeah Duviri's got a lot of the same problems that Railjack has but it ALSO has a big draw in the form of incarnons, which keeps players coming back

[restive warren]

BDO and I forgot the name of the gamebut it was on gamepass have some

Carrot and the stick

[median topaz]

Railjack basically needs more stuff that makes you better at regular Warframe, and more systems in regular Warframe that make you better at Railjack

[restive warren]

I mean there's Defense and erh I forgot what else but you can sorta do "OG" stuff

Survival*

[median topaz]

Yeah Corpus railjack

[restive warren]

We pretend I never mentioned Defense

I don't like that tileset for defense (It's good for Interception tho)

[median topaz]

But that's just using the railjack as a taxi to a regular Warframe mission

[pearl parcel]

my argument is, something this unfathomably old that, by all measures acts with the same liveliness as a dwarf, and has the same sanity and predispositions as one, is there not some cause for concern as to whether it truly is living?

[median topaz]

Like, we need fights against Grineer space pirates

what if there was a defense mission where you shot down crewships aimed at a friendly station

[restive warren]

They could change Lich/Sister to be like Codas and be hardlocked into space with sorta same-ish duet function but...

[median topaz]

and if they got in, you'd have to send a team onto the station to wipe them out

[restive warren]

I don't feel like it's gonna be well-received.

[median topaz]

Liches and Sisters are basically okay

[restive warren]

Don't get me wrong: It's gonna revive RJ alright, but there's a possibility community might go as far as negative review bomb the game

[median topaz]

People review bomb the game when they get rivens they don't like

[modest totem]

[restive warren]

you have 24h to eat it

Argon shelf live :(

[median topaz]

Speaking as a DM, it would come down to whether the construct was programmed to do these things and is carrying out its programming, or has surpassed/broken the programming to become a being capable of self awareness and spiritual growth

[modest totem]

fk u de

[median topaz]

(So it's really up to the DM)

[pearl parcel]

as far as any measure can see, this construct acts with its own full will, like a warforged, but by no measure of soul ness has one

coming up with arguments and statements on the fly

[median topaz]

I'd probably fall on the side of it not having a soul because it hasn't tried to leave to find other people

unless it has and it's part of the context I'm missing

[pearl parcel]

the context of the matter is: the grave church (one that hates the undead) is running a town the party needs to enter, this construct is part of the party, and after being called not alive has been offended and argues for its own state of aliveness

sure he can still enter, nothin is stopping him since he's not undead, but he is apalled by being called not alive when he does eevrything the alive people do

[median topaz]

ah, party member! yeah that'd be an example of a construct developing a soul

[restive warren]

Chat gpt inside a construct..?

[pearl parcel]

well the kicker of hte matter is, you're familiar with the "detect undead" spell right

[median topaz]

More Siri

[pearl parcel]

detects whether a soul has been stuffed into a corpse?

[median topaz]

have them go full merchant of venice and talk about sense experiences (light of the morning sun), emotional range (the irritation it feels now) and spiritual needs

right

well mmmmm

depends on the campaign setting/edition

[pearl parcel]

that found nothing, and he was dubbed a construct, which offended him

[median topaz]

Most undead in 3rd edition were powered by negative energy which tended to be what detect undead looked for

[pearl parcel]

to be fair, if a construct is sapient enough to be offended at being called not alive that feels rather alive

[pearl parcel]

this is 5e

[median topaz]

yeah I figured

[pearl parcel]

still, i find it an interesting argument

a construct that fully acts like and believes itself to be a dwarf, actively argues itself to be an oversized dwarf, but is in reality an animate statue (warforged UA: Juggernaut), is that alive?

[median topaz]

I mean this is sidequest material

Now the construct feels it has to petition Moraddin for full recognition

[pearl parcel]

well the cleric made that very argument, "to be alive requires a divine proc of being"
"thautam is still around, the dwarven god of magic, who's to say he has a part in giving reason to those you call constructs"

[median topaz]

yep lmao

[pearl parcel]

the argument went on for nearly 20 minutes

this has happened before, and the dm knew i would do exactly this if called a construct

[median topaz]

The right DM (and players) would love that stuff

[pearl parcel]

the dm and all but one guy find it interesting just to see what arguments the construct will make
one guy says "ok concrete, we have stuff to do stop arguing with the clergy"

[restive warren]

Unhinged

[median topaz]

That's always fun lol

I'm currently playing in another friend's campaign and my character was cursed with a "good idea" fairy

[pearl parcel]

pix im the guy that has argued with the clergy about whether im alive for a full hour before, of course i'll keep doing it

[median topaz]

where I have to roll to avoid making bad decisions

We literally haven't been able to tell the difference

It's absolutely hilarious

[pearl parcel]

honestly thats a vibe

[restive warren]

I wish I could get invested in DND but not I'm very good at thing I don't do everyday

[median topaz]

Join a local game and get Baldur's Gate 3

[pearl parcel]

this is one of the first campaigns i've gotten to take part in, in nearly two years

[median topaz]

When you're not playing with other people you'll be addicted to BG3

[restive warren]

I already have Baldur's Gate 3 and Pathfinder :(

[median topaz]

oh nice

real talk, I prefer BG2

[pearl parcel]

luckily zoe is in a billion campaigns, one had a guy drop out about a month ago and she asked if i wanted to fill in

[median topaz]

But I get why people love 3

[restive warren]

Pathfinder Kingmaker was great until I got stuck

Now I don't wanna touch it again

[pearl parcel]

i've never played, but isnt that the one where you do a bear?

game seems wierd

[restive warren]

I think it was the funnies

[median topaz]

yeah it's mostly not that, but it has some funny moments

also Wrath of the Righteous is way better but also scales to absolutely ludicious levels

Might as well be Exalted by the end

[restive warren]

Blood mage when

Pretty sure it be counted as black magic either way

[pearl parcel]

yk a sentient construct isnt even the most absurd character i've played

[median topaz]

basically exists in Wrath of the Righteous

[pearl parcel]

whats your opinion on a violent warforged that roams around building increasingly silly contraptions to kill elves

[median topaz]

I think the knife ears had better start running

[pearl parcel]

and kobolds

[pearl parcel]

he once dropkicked a commoner over a length of rope to build a trebuchet

and he's an artificer, so his strength isnt lacking

[median topaz]

ever heard of the peasant railgun

[pearl parcel]

he turned the peasant into a projectile with shield bash reflavor+bonus action eldritch blast

he's walking around in heavy armor with a wrench (reflavored warhammer) and a shield

[fathom cipher]

i love baldurs gate

[restive warren]

I want a warframe that use HP as energy 😭

[median topaz]

Inaros and Grendel, one ability each

[restive warren]

Not like that

[median topaz]

[restive warren]

All the abilities eats your hps

[median topaz]

oh, Hildryn

[restive warren]

Then regen if you hit enemies

[restive warren]

Standing in toxin dmg

I'm joking I know how overshield work

I just remember that one hildryn that kept hugging toxic eximus in Arbi

More like Inaros but without energy being actually used and also "all abilities" prob no shield and high armor as per tradition

Oh you meant like Hildry not using energy and using shield, Yes yes that

[restive warren]

https://warframe.fandom.com/wiki/Divine_Retribution

You can check the newer wiki to be 100% sure if you want.

[opaque hinge]

not the fandom 😭

[restive warren]

Use the other one like I mentioned above?

Fine.

[restive warren]

https://wiki.warframe.com/w/Divine_Retribution

[opaque hinge]

ah wait

[restive warren]

Too late I did it for you.

[opaque hinge]

I somehow not seeing that msg

[restive warren]

Is okay.

[opaque hinge]

sorry

[restive warren]

I don't really have the issue most people have with the oldie

[opaque hinge]

I just tried him out and he kinda nuke very good

[restive warren]

He does

Generally people that like Rhino liked Nezha thought they changed how Rhino does his iron skin so I'm not too sure now

I think the only thing I'm disappointed about is about Archon mods not affecting the transfer which is very unfortunate :(

[opaque hinge]

Nezha 3 is basically Yareli 2 but kinda better in term of immune to cc

[restive warren]

Sorry I can't say I see the similarity

They both are their own things in my eyes

I'll take a second look at it

[opaque hinge]

they both reduced dmg to 90%, has hp bar that when it take enough dmg it will be gone

the only thing is, Yareli 2 restrict a lot, movement and weapon wise without her augment

and with augment, she no longer immune to cc

and Nezha can absorb dmg so the ability HP increase, same with Rhino

[restive warren]

Gara can also do that, same with Mesa

Many warframe have dmg reduc

[opaque hinge]

Gara and mesa have duration

[restive warren]

True.

Gara actually reset her timer

[opaque hinge]

Nezha and Yareli does not, but they depend on how many dmg you take, if you take a lot they will expired faster

[restive warren]

As long as you press 4

Mesa and Zephyr is definetely gotta pay attention

[opaque hinge]

Yareli kinda not as good and Gara Nezha and even Nova

[opaque hinge]

Zephyr reduced when on air iirc

and she can block most bullet

which useless against infested and melee enemy

[restive warren]

Except lasers

[opaque hinge]

ye that too