gameplay-discussion

[pure gulch]

one of em got back into the game after a long time so me and one other guy have been carrying helping him

and that includes stuff like resource farming and because I am the only one with any sort of lootframe the khora has been popping

[restive warren]

Now's a good time to craft omnia forma if you have bps 👀

or shove it in helminth's mouth idk which

https://tenor.com/view/loki-loki-series-bit-of-both-loki-clip-tom-hiddleston-gif-21748514

[pure gulch]

omni forma eats nitain

[restive warren]

It does

[pure gulch]

I'll get more of those eventually kek

[pearl parcel]

Hey pix, want to know the funniest way to play HoC

[pure gulch]

its funny I had 4 rad wukong bp relics i was meant to open at some point to try and get it lol

the same as with the nidus chassis relics cus I have 2 more of those too

either way the monke is another 6k closer to 30

[fathom cipher]

i wanna get banshee for her fashion but icl i need her tennogens 😭

[restive warren]

Figured it was the most even trade (at least in my eyes)

[worldly bough]

What assault rifle can be considered as simply the most basic but reliable primary that can be brought anywhere.

Can be a base or prime but has no Incarnon.
No special gimmicks like aoe primary fire.
Has no or has a standard/forgettable alt-fire.
Decent stats, all-rounded or generalized and not specialized.

My mind somehow always turn me to the Ax-52 but there has to be others, right?

[pure gulch]

I do want to get banshee too

but aya mines call unfortunately

[fathom cipher]

i wanna say bubonico but it has an alt fire. its really good tho and has its uses so its not forgettable. really fun and good shotgun imo. same with cedo prime. great alt fire and decent primary fire

[compact sable]

arca plasmor imo

[fervent moth]

Kuva Karak, Tenet Flux Rifle, Aeolak.

Gotva Prime

[fathom cipher]

arca plasma is great too

a lot of the tenet weapons are great

[compact sable]

wait, it's not an AR, I thought you meant just a primary

[worldly bough]

I said assault rifle. Lol.

[fathom cipher]

imma go grab her then long for the money to buy her tennogens

[fervent moth]

Would probably go K. Karak personally

[compact sable]

then yeah, kuva karak

[fathom cipher]

mb i listed shotguns

[compact sable]

though ARs are a little passe...

[restive warren]

Karak is very forgettable

But you asked for AS

[fathom cipher]

aeolak is decent

[restive warren]

It has alt fire/boom

Which they asked not

[brave flare]

Gotva prime?

[fathom cipher]

would tenet glaxion count

[fervent moth]

They asked for the most forgettable type of weapon so no surprise there.

[restive warren]

Gotva might be good yes

[restive warren]

I just agreed indirectly

[fathom cipher]

only primaries i use rn are just nataruk for frame leveling and scourge for basically everything else

[lofty garden]

Tenet Flux Rifle.

[fathom cipher]

then i just rely on melee and secondary

[restive warren]

I never tried Gotva with Cruxx

[fathom cipher]

mostly melee tho tbf

[restive warren]

I should do that at some point

[lofty garden]

no ammo, no problem!

[fathom cipher]

my fav reason for melee

reloads just annoy me lol

[lofty garden]

I meant the tenet flux rifle

[fathom cipher]

ah

[compact sable]

I feel like ARs, no incarnon and no alt-fire, really doesn't have too many options

[fathom cipher]

same thing

[restive warren]

Dear gods you'd hate playing TFD

[compact sable]

I'd say phenmor, boltor incarnon, burston incarnon otherwise

[fathom cipher]

its blandddd

[fathom cipher]

latron incarnon 🤑

[restive warren]

"Kath why you're not shooting." "Well I've been spending the next decade reloading so here with are."

Then they ask me why I put reload mods in.

Except reload mods are a lie in that game

Because weapon have a ready state

[compact sable]

yall really love glazing the latron incarnon, I'm going to have to actually try it

[restive warren]

There's no amount of ramrodding reload mods that can fix ready state

How to make me wanna scream into a cup

https://tenor.com/view/stressed-screaming-me-gif-5025029

[fervent moth]

Latron is just when DE was on the most dust because it's crazy that we have a weapon that can genuinely run a Puncture mod.

[worldly bough]

Well. Im trying to fill my weapon spots. I got Cedo Prime for shotgun so I want something for Assault Rifles.

I uhhh... sold my Trumna parts. And it was hell farming for them. Id rather spend my plat for something too lol

[fathom cipher]

my loyalty 3 falcor

[restive warren]

Sorta wish we had a similar thing for impact.

[fathom cipher]

i should start namin my weapons so they feel special

[restive warren]

(No don't bring up the mod for melee, I'll legit cawcaw at you)

[fathom cipher]

gonna name my falcor first probably. then furis

[fervent moth]

This is where I do the "Get everything" shpeal.

[restive warren]

As long as you have slots

But we have the anniversary event going on

[fervent moth]

This is where I do the "Get more slots" shpeal

[fathom cipher]

i should start on the get everything plan. i feel like my mr is so low compared to how much i do in this game. and how i actually play. because i feel overpowered lol

[fathom cipher]

free slots uwoooogh

[fervent moth]

You'll be (or already are) shocked at how far you can get at MR0 lol

They let you do basically everything at this point

[fathom cipher]

didnt cloysto do that as a challenge?

[restive warren]

I did the break down for MR8 how much things I can level by staying that rank

And I think I got up to Mr21. (If not a bit more)

[fervent moth]

A good chunk of people have MR0 accounts

[restive warren]

And that was a whiiiiiiiiiile back

[fathom cipher]

golden tiger

[restive warren]

Rawr 🐯

[fathom cipher]

mr 15 gaming over here 😭

i really gotta work on that

levelin weapons makes my brain tremble tho

[compact sable]

ENTER THE CONDUIT, NOW

[lyric lotus]

No simaris, i aint taking any photos for your secret album

[restive warren]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-no-nonono-noooo-cat-no-gif-13597132752790194338

[compact sable]

yeah, my MR isn't as high as it could be because the whole gameplay loop of just build new weapon, hang out in ESO for a few rounds, and then toss it in the bin

it's not very interactive or interesting

[lofty garden]

oh, you wait for 2x affinity weekends to do that.

[lyric lotus]

If you focus only to grind MR it gets boring fast, but mixed that with stuff you like to do one or two weapon at a time

[lofty garden]

Then you run a booster and get a blessing and bang out a ton of stuff all at once.

[compact sable]

all a 2x affinity weekend does is slightly decrease the time spent in ESO really

and you're only there for like, 5 minutes as it is

[lofty garden]

A 2x weekend is a ~5x weekend with a booster and a blessing.

[compact sable]

which sounds okay but then you have to make sure you have a bunch of things lined up

[lofty garden]

I mean, if you want the last 1k MR from those overlevel weapons...

[strong current]

yeah i only do that on affinity boost weekends, where i can super maximise my leveling speed. otherwise, i just carry a random weapon in a slot im not using and slowly level it up while playing normally

[compact sable]

honestly if there's one big criticism I have for the game, I wish catalysts were easier to get

because for as many weapons as the game has, you aren't really encouraged to experiment so much

[restive warren]

It depends on the person honestly

A lot of people are overwhelmed

A lot of people are just lazy or/and prefer building thing they know they'll use and enjoy

[compact sable]

yeah but no one is really too benefitted by having to drop 20p on every single weapon they want to try out in any serious capacity

[lofty garden]

Didn't spend a dime of plat on any of those.

[restive warren]

Catalyst are free.

You can buy 'em, but realistically you can craft/farm 'em easily through multiple different ways

[lofty garden]

"Oh no, it's the end of a Nightwave! What do I do!" buys 15 blue potatoes

[compact sable]

aside from buying them with plat, it's 75 creds in nightwave or rng from several sources that aren't really 'grindable'

well I guess nightwave is

as long as you've been really on top of doing all the tasks

[lyric lotus]

potatos are the only thing matters at the end of any season

[lofty garden]

Gotta keep the Nitain tank over 200

[strong current]

previously, i spent all my creds on wolf beacons. now that this event finally gave me the BP i needed, ive been splurging on nitain since omni is finally a useful forma

[compact sable]

like I personally am pretty much perpetually dry on catalysts

[lofty garden]

You also get a catalyst BP from Fomorian and Razorback. Those are fairly regular.

[compact sable]

yeah I know lol

[lofty garden]

From the "bad" wiki.

[compact sable]

the issue is that most of these are really quite rare

like the drop chance from sorties, e.g., is 2.5%

[restive warren]

Idk not that rare from Acritis.

[strong current]

potatoes have also been popping up in the Hex calendar rewards

[restive warren]

As IceStorm already mentioned it's from the "bad" wiki

[compact sable]

like, compared to arcane adapters or even forma

catalysts are much more limited

[restive warren]

Do you need to put 8 catalyst in a singular weapon?

[lofty garden]

Can you??

[restive warren]

He's comparing to forma, figured it was a valid question to ask

[compact sable]

you can get good performance out of really just 2-3

[fathom cipher]

forma uwooogh

[lofty garden]

I have ~1/4 as many blue potatoes as forma.

[restive warren]

But considering who I'm talking to, if you could find a way I wouldn't be surprised tbf

[fathom cipher]

allat umbral forma

[worldly bough]

Ha ha ha

I like you funny words, magic man.

[compact sable]

whereas a weapon needs a catalyst if you're going to use it on SP at all

[worldly bough]

No

Id rather have 2 shotguns and 2 assault rifles and 2 pistols

Lol

[fathom cipher]

im borin so i basically run the same weapons every single time

well boring to others ig. for me its what i like

[restive warren]

I generally run the same one as well XD

[fathom cipher]

subjective fun mhm

[worldly bough]

I havent switched out my Xoris ever since I got it lmao

[restive warren]

And then people are like "wtf you doin' with Hystrix"

[fathom cipher]

hop on falcor 🙏

[strong current]

i try to change up my weapons now and then and find some reason to always regret it lol

[restive warren]

Meanwhile me: "thee hee forced procs"

[fathom cipher]

falcor does the beautiful forced elec procs

[restive warren]

I can choose what forced proc I get

🙏🏻 Hystrix

[worldly bough]

I wouldve if I knew about it much more earlier. ;-;

But I already hard invested on Xoris that I cant go back before I knew about Falcor

[fathom cipher]

why not both?

xoris is great too anyways

[lofty garden]

I'm good for ~5 yrs, i think.

[worldly bough]

Im still early on the game lol. If I try to do everything at once, I risk a burnout. Hence why I said I focus on few weapons.

For now

[strong current]

Never really used glaives, but I built up my xoris when Entrati labs arcanes came out 'cuz i heard so much about how great it was but tbh....I think i dont like glaives as a weapon type. they just feel kind of awkward to use imo

[fathom cipher]

they really fun for me

[worldly bough]

Same, but in a pragmatic way

[lofty garden]

I somehow have 12 amp slots...

[fathom cipher]

tbf i do whatever i can to blow up maps

[worldly bough]

Im more of a weapon user, anyway. Maybe Ill find a proper caster frame one day but for now, its all gunz. Hur hue hue

[strong current]

Yeah, Im honestly pretty similar. Other than a thermal sunder titania for void fissure spam, I mostly use frames as weapons platforms

[serene fossil]

Idk how this works.
So if I use archon continuity (toxin becomes corrosive) and archon vitality (heat deals double damage) on my Mesa.
And on my regulators I do gas damage.
Would I be able to benefit from both of the mods or do they cancel out cuz it's now gas?

[fathom cipher]

im a weapons platform user too

[strong current]

the latter i believe. you are not doing the specified elements

[fathom cipher]

although its mostly just zaws, furis incarnon and prisma angstrum incarnon (for mag), then falcor and the other melee influence weapons

[worldly bough]

...You have a spare maxed melee influence that you dont need? Maxed ones go up to 200 plus in the market so uhhhh....

Nah jk jk hahaha

[fathom cipher]

im a brokie. all my plat is in fashion

15k plat down. just burn my plat wallet already 💔

[strong current]

how much fashion are you buying 👀

[fathom cipher]

about 15k plat worth so far

[strong current]

thats pretty crazy. you buying like, literally every skin possible or something?

[fathom cipher]

not even yet lol. just a ton of bundles

[balmy wraith]

so like... whats dagath's gameplay loop?? doom > scythes repeatedly or...??

[fathom cipher]

pallettes, a ton of accessories, weapon skins too

[fathom cipher]

use her augment. its insane. u can get like a straight 30+ seconds of invuln. then once it ends, get kills to lower cooldown. when ur invuln is down u can kinda shield gate with wyrd scythe and brief respite and cata shields

[strong current]

i made sure to avoid most of the pallets, personally, just so when i hit random its is more likely that it pulls from the palletes i have with colors i like.

[robust elbow]

I am MR5 almost 6. what weapons should i be going for

[lofty garden]

All of them.

[strong current]

you want them all for mastery xp regardless to hit higher ranks

[lofty garden]

May want to look up what weapons are ingredients for others, get those, then use them to build others.

That'll help cut down on the number of slots you need in inventory.

[pale ingot]

Soma maybe after

[sudden tendon]

Id recommend building the soma

[pale ingot]

Rly good gun

[devout burrow]

magistar incarnon

[sudden tendon]

But yeah do try to build everything at ur stage of the game

[devout burrow]

saryn with ocucor

[sudden tendon]

Underrated gem

[devout burrow]

cyte with sobek

saryn with sobek

[sudden tendon]

Niche combo

[devout burrow]

beginner loadouts fr

[lofty garden]

Also, don't get too attached to the "base" weapons, since many have upgraded versions.

[fathom cipher]

falcor

[strong current]

ocucor is amazingly fun, and i love it and it is my most used secondary but, i dont think id reccomend using it for a beginner due to most likely not having the aug

[devout burrow]

mirage zaw

[fathom cipher]

my queen

[devout burrow]

fr, trying to get mirage prestige in cascade server 🔥

just as braindead as rev or gauss but more fun

[fathom cipher]

ah omamori strats

[devout burrow]

yessir

[fathom cipher]

i need an attack speed rabvee riv guhhh

[sudden tendon]

Considering its like 20p for such a strong augment id say its worth

[devout burrow]

I have a decent rabvee riven with AS but I have IC on it 😔

[strong current]

oh, is it? it used to be a lot more. but i guess it must have returned at some point while i wasnt playing

[fathom cipher]

my rabvee riv is trash rn 😭 im still rollin it

[balmy wraith]

ive none of those but 📝📝

for now tho,, whats her gameplay loop?? & atlas' too, for that matter... since i got him & all

[fathom cipher]

@timid berry

my riv is cooked rn bro

[sudden tendon]

Yeah they brought it to the halloween shop and its way cheaper now

[sudden tendon]

Tf is this😭

[balmy wraith]

also how is it that her summoned swords arent exalted weapon...??

[devout burrow]

dagath outside of augment is 3 > 2 > 1 > 2 > 1 repeat, occasional 4 for strip

[fathom cipher]

she doesnt have an exalted weapon. thats just her ability :/

[fathom cipher]

puncture apparently activates CO so its what im trying. cuz melee dmg too 😭 i have crap luck for rivs

[devout burrow]

can probs have a higher casting ratio on her 1 depending on how well doom is spread

[leaden obsidian]

Could be worse. I have a cd HAE tox -finisher roll

[fathom cipher]

get to rollin 😭🙏

[devout burrow]

at least its -h and md...

[sudden tendon]

Does it even apply if it oneshots them

[strong current]

This is making me think of my ocucor riven. I've put 150 rerolls into that thing, and all i have to show for it is raw damage and firerate

[fathom cipher]

thanks for makin me feel better 😐

[leaden obsidian]

No kuva, used it all yesterday on my strun riv

[balmy wraith]

im asking how it Isnt an exalted...

[fathom cipher]

i need melee duplicate soon

[devout burrow]

dont be fooled by ocucor rivens btw, crit chance is not a wanted stat on them

[leaden obsidian]

This being one of the rolls I got(I stuck with left tho)

[strong current]

ive made a config for my ocucor to red crit. i know its not good. but it is fun.

[fathom cipher]

dunno. shouldnt be tho. the way its used as an ability would make no sense if we were able to mod it

[devout burrow]

red crits are good but crit on the riven is pretty useless cause you get all the crit from augment already and base crit chance is booty too so its not that great

want smth like multishot, crit dmg, magazine cap -harmless

[strong current]

yeah. mainly, what i wanted on ym riven was MS, maybe CD, honestly im fine with the raw dmg because it lets me use fortifier, but as is the raw damage/ firerate that i have jsut feels a bit mid

[fathom cipher]

is melee dupe needed for the omamori setup or is exposure fine. my duplicate is rank 2 rn only lol

[next kiln]

i got cooked fr

[fathom cipher]

im boutta get cooked

[next kiln]

gl

[devout burrow]

fire rate on ocucor is pretty meh if Ima be real cause you burn through ammo faster and lets less space for mistakes

[leaden obsidian]

In my testing, exposure is fine cause you’re already instant killing with it

[next kiln]

bro my test it was so cooked cus like the questions were missing parts which ik how to typically get buts missing another part to get the part

[strong current]

oh for sure. but its still the best ive gotten in 150 freaking rolls

[devout burrow]

exposure fine, you'll deal enough dmg anyway if you prime a bit if you wanna lvl cap with it

duplicate just removes the need for priming completely

[brave flare]

Huh?

[fathom cipher]

damn my butt poor rn

am i tuff 💔

[devout burrow]

Ima be real I forgor if you are a lvl cap player

cause if you arent then the arcane doesnt matter in the slighest

[fathom cipher]

im a half way baked lvl cap player

[strong current]

here we go, dug up an old picture form when i had rolled it slightly less. ive sunk so much kuva into this thing for such a mid tier roll....

[devout burrow]

https://tenor.com/view/happy-cat-silly-cat-happy-cat-smile-gif-11748501437476694103

[next kiln]

nice

[devout burrow]

its fine just keep rolling

[maiden granite]

Half baked cookie

[fathom cipher]

yh. everything is oneshot otherwise :p

[maiden granite]

Ha

[wet hatch]

Alright question fellas. Do y'all think Rhino's passive needs to be changed or buffed? I saw someone bring it up elsewhere so I wanted to ask. I mean it's not particularly useful, yeah, but the rest of Rhino's kit makes him one of the better CC and tank frames in the game so idk if he'd need a buffed passive.

[fathom cipher]

i need to grind for melee duplicate next then

[sudden gazelle]

Finally sold an angstrum riven I’ve had since forever

[wet hatch]

I feel like he's one of the last frames in need of a passive buff/change.

[next kiln]

fr cwispy is baked

[devout burrow]

its a useless passive, so yeah a change is overdue if we look at the passive alone but considering how rhino is an extremely solid frame otherwise I doubt it'll happen anytime soon

[fathom cipher]

passive yes. absolutely its so useless, rest of his kit is pretty great. his 4 is amazing CC and his survivability is soooo good.

[wet hatch]

This is how I feel. I said it on the post but I feel like if his passive was changed he'd become almost TOO good?

cause the rest of his kit is so fundamentally amazing.

[fathom cipher]

its gotta be a minor passive buff yk. just make it not useless at least. he basically doesnt have a passive

[devout burrow]

there isnt a "too good" in this game cause there is no balancing

[brave flare]

I feel that all passives should be somewhat useful. His isn't really noticeable so buff would be nice

[wet hatch]

like if they were to change it I'd want it so the higher you fall from the stronger and more AOE it has. So while it wouldn't be INCREDIBLY useful

it would be super fun and niche

just pull an Adam Smasher from Cyberpunk and flatten enemies from the skyline

[brave flare]

Smashing

[wet hatch]

I think a buff like that, while it wouldn't make it super useful, would be far better than what it is now and still make it more on the niche side

could definitely get some fun out of it in like plains of somethin tho

cause imo Rhino's like one of the last frames in need of changes to it's passive

not because it's not warranted but because the rest of his kit is just so good.

[wet hatch]

Also on another note, I do kinda disagree with this?

Like, if a frame is already fundamentally good or solid even without a good passive, you don't want the passive to make them to insane or that's all people will use

you want them to have reasons to play other frames

Also question unrelated to this conversation but are there any other Warframes kinda like Rhino but different? Just ones built like a brick wall and won't die? Or is Rhino like the best of the best at that atp.

[sudden tendon]

Most passives are useless and barely do anything anyways

[fathom cipher]

revenant is the obv answer here no?

[brave flare]

Revenant and nidus are the only ones that come to mind

[wet hatch]

ah right. I do have the prime for him.

But apparently Revenant isn't that good? I remember people saying he's absolute garbage so.

[fathom cipher]

gauss immortality too if u wanna do that. and omamamori mirage

[wet hatch]

then again back then Rhino was considered "meh"

[brave flare]

I don't see how a passive will make a or break a frame. It just gives them a better niche or helps round out their kit

[wet hatch]

so

[devout burrow]

DE balances things around the comfort of the player, i. e. as long as things arent overused, actively griefing other players, or make the game unplayable they will not care about how strong smth is
we see this with how easy warframe is, and generally if you make rhinos passive reasonable and not an insta kill across a whole tile at any level then its not too good

[brave flare]

For example gauss is busted but everyone still uses other frames

[wet hatch]

Y'know what? Completely fair. I came off that whole Destiny balance mess so.

[brave flare]

His passive being momentum based would be kinda cool tho

[wet hatch]

Lmao

[wet hatch]

just drop from the sky and the stomp does more aoe and damage the higher up you are

would be absolutely hilarious to abuse.

[devout burrow]

rhino wont just suddenly go to like 40% usage rate cause of a passive change, people just dont like his buffing/tanking playstyle which I personally also dont like

[wet hatch]

I personally love being an absolute tank that won't die.

Tho I also balance it out with more agile cut em up playstyles too. Excal's my favorite for that.

[devout burrow]

its just button press and seeing your weapons deal slightly more damage but no real interactions in his kit that make him unique imo

[wet hatch]

jumping around slicing stuff up with exalted blade

chef's kiss.

[compact sable]

revenant is possibly the best frame in the game but for really dodgy reasons

[wet hatch]

I use a stomp spam build so usually I get to watch everything in the room get stunned.

and stuff. It's fun.

[compact sable]

that reason being that damage is quite easy to come by once you get late into SP, but survivability less so

and revenant has bar none the best survivability button in the game, nothing comes close

[wet hatch]

well I mean iron skin gating exists but yeah I could see it.

[compact sable]

mesmer skin is better than iron skin

[wet hatch]

touche.

[compact sable]

the thing, iron skin is a numerical damage reduction, whereas mesmer skin is a flat "you don't take damage"

so in high scaling modes like cap cascade or circuit, it just stays as strong as it is forever

[wet hatch]

anyway so wait Revenant's considered good or? Cause back when I played Rhino was said to be "meh" or "okay at best" and Revenant was frowned on a lot for being boring and not very good or something.

I assume stuff changed there.

[compact sable]

boring is subjective, though I do find him boring myself

it's hard to deny that he is effective, though

[wet hatch]

but he is not objectively bad by any means

[fathom cipher]

boring is subjective but objectively hes immortal

[brave flare]

Revenant is good but he pretty much trivializes the game

[fathom cipher]

not bad. in fact hes so good that hes boring

[wet hatch]

well I will say I do like breaking games in any way I can

trivializing it sounds like it's right up my alley lol

[compact sable]

mesmer skin stops you from taking literally any damage or status while it's on, and it effectively has 100% uptime

[wet hatch]

so wait what's the deal with rhino skin gating then? What's the difference there?

[brave flare]

Then you have some frames that can just afk like xaku and octavia

[compact sable]

the thing with rhino, as I said earlier, in scaling modes

[devout burrow]

we talking about rev but we forgetting octavia thats legit so broken that no one uses her

[compact sable]

enemies will start doing so much damage that they'll chew through your overguard incredibly quickly

[brave flare]

Iron skin will break easily the higher up in level you go. Mesmer skin will always last for the same amount of time regardless of level

[compact sable]

and you just keep having to recast iron skin, even though it does gate and have an invuln period

whereas mesmer skin doesn't, its duration is the same no matter how much incoming damage you're taking

[fathom cipher]

rhino gets a short invuln timer then gets a flat overguard as his survivability which is already great, then revenant gets charges where he just straight doesnt take dmg

[sudden tendon]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-sleep-dog-sleeping-w-goofy-sleeping-sound-gif-5498863985254423453

I think the price also has to do with why more people dont have her

[wet hatch]

so is it that Rhino is bad at higher levels or that Mesmer Skin is just that broken?

[sudden tendon]

Shes been expensive af for the longest time

[compact sable]

the latter

[next kiln]

https://tenor.com/view/minecraft-movie-minecraft-a-minecraft-movie-jack-black-i-am-steve-gif-13691645871022200802

[wet hatch]

So Rhino does well at higher levels with proper iron skin gating and revenant... you click one button and don't die ever

[compact sable]

yes

[fathom cipher]

no rhinos suvivability is great even at lvl cap

[compact sable]

it's as silly as it sounds

[fathom cipher]

revenant and rhino are great

[sudden tendon]

U didnt watch the movie with me

[next kiln]

u didnt buy the flint and meal frfr

[wet hatch]

So what does Rhino do comparatively that make people like him so much?

[compact sable]

rhino has roar, for one

[wet hatch]

is it the stomp CC?

[fathom cipher]

a ton more damage

[compact sable]

and when it's on him, it has a greater effect

[fathom cipher]

and better crowd control

[sudden tendon]

😡

[next kiln]

[sudden tendon]

Pretty sure thats the subsume slot

[wet hatch]

ah. So Revenant's "I don't want to die" and Rhino is "Everything around us dies and I also refuse to die"

[compact sable]

he's also really easy to get

[devout burrow]

unnerfed roar, 4 seconds of invuln on call at lvl cap, those are the big ones

[compact sable]

revenant is not too hard to get but significantly more annoying

[devout burrow]

well for base SP iron skin is also braindead ig

[wet hatch]

the subsume slots I've seen are rhino charge unless you're doing parasitic armor

[fathom cipher]

basically. rhino just takes a lil more work

[sudden tendon]

Right that exists

[wet hatch]

I mean I can confirm. I should not be able to fight level 100+ grineer with my loadout but I did it because Iron Skin.

Mind you I was having to deal with a level 5 kuva lich

so

[compact sable]

basically the deal is that, at the highest damage scaling in the game, enemies do literally millions of damage

and even a 99% damage reduction is not gonna cut it if your shields are only 1000 or whatever

[fathom cipher]

yeppo

[compact sable]

mesmer skin gets around this by just not taking the damage instance at all, whereas other %-based reductions are outscaled

[wet hatch]

and most builds don't have many shields anyway.

[compact sable]

mind, we are talking level 9999 enemies, not 100, but still

[sudden tendon]

Nah u just need 3 other citrines with 4 citrine spectres then u can tank it

[wet hatch]

yeah.

[compact sable]

at level 100-500, which encompasses all of base SP as well as even like 20-25 minutes of scaling, %-based damage reductions (incl. rhino) all work fine

so all the nezha, mesa, mirage, whatever

[wet hatch]

To put it simply I went off to fight a level 5 kuva lich with gear that I haven't even gone into new war with (cause I can't spend 4 hours farming that story atm, got other stuff on my plate) and I won because Iron Skin saved me when I was so outleveled lol

I did not know I could just kill the lich repeatedly to make it screw off

so I accidentally got it to level 5

[devout burrow]

I do like that we are slowly getting to higher lvls with ETA, wont be long till we get to the 1000s and then people will probably have to learn shield gating
god am I excited for that day

[compact sable]

lol

happens to the best of us

[wet hatch]

it was also using a damn boom tube or somethin so

[compact sable]

my first lich also went to 5 when I had crappy gear because I had no idea how the system worked

[devout burrow]

cause I still find it interesting how DE made a whole update based around shield gating but hasnt really made content around it yet

[wet hatch]

I wanna get one with kuva hek to go box up so bad

cause I love shotguns so

[fathom cipher]

health tankin just makes me annoyed i cant lie

[wet hatch]

then again I have cedo prime so idk.

[compact sable]

every time a larvling spawns, you can ignore it and just complete the mission to cycle the weapon

the kuva hek is pretty good

[wet hatch]

is it? I was told back in ye old days that going for kuva weapons was a bad idea

cause they sucked or something.

[compact sable]

they're still good

[wet hatch]

even tho they were supposedly still good and fun.

[compact sable]

especially for newer players

[wet hatch]

well, I'm pre new war but idk if I'd call myself totally new?

Like I have over 500 hours sunk in already

[brave flare]

Wasn't that what steel path circuit was for?

[wet hatch]

so

[compact sable]

they're all A-tier, I'd say

except the nukor, that's one of the best waepons in the game

[devout burrow]

I dont trust health tanking, I'd rather trust my own skills to survive rather than random calculations deciding whether I survive or not

[wet hatch]

hm. Are there any statuses I should look for?

[brave flare]

Circuit was the only reason why I formad my other 50 frames

[wet hatch]

or like status percentages?

[compact sable]

you can simply use magnetic on everything, percentage is just higher = better but don't fret it too much

[wet hatch]

for kuva hek anyway?

[compact sable]

magnetic deals extra damage to shields and is a free status for aptitude mods, which are very standard to use

[devout burrow]

people who dont shield gate wont learn shield gating for circuit, they'll just leave at lvl 1k and call it a day, with decrees you can tank a bit longer than in normal content

[wet hatch]

ah. I don't... use magnetic I don't think

[fathom cipher]

fr

[wet hatch]

might be doin something wrong there. At least on Cedo.

[fathom cipher]

i need consistency

[compact sable]

that's fine, not every weapon is suited for magnetic

but in the case of kuva weapons, due to the progenitor system, you can simply spawn every weapon with magnetic because it acts like an additional free element

gotta sleep though, my final message is; get the kuva nukor 🛌

with magnetic, of course

[wet hatch]

Ok what if I get both

hek and nukor

[balmy wraith]

are the sabotage missions bugged??

[sick quartz]

whats the saturn six mask for

[sonic cypress]

Hi all!
Does Zenith alt has 100% accuracy?
If yes, does Heavy Caliber reduce this accuracy?

[mellow turret]

it's a cosmetic but you can't equip it until after finishing... the second dream i think? if not, then it's not until after finishing the war within

[sick quartz]

where do you equip it

[fair flame]

Hay @rare jay

[lofty garden]

Zenith is high accuracy, not very high accuracy, so heavy caliber probably still influences it.

[snow geyser]

Hi just joined and we'll stared from the beginning again this time on steam

[lofty garden]

You could just... link your existing account from whatever platform.

[leaden obsidian]

I forgot how comfortable ember is

[hollow sparrow]

Opposed to having an account prior not on steam?

[snow geyser]

@hollow sparrow no it's just that it's on my xbox that I gave my little brother b4 leaving the state

I don't remember the email or password since it's been since 2019

[hollow sparrow]

That'll do it.

[lofty garden]

Eh, you can get to LR4 in less than 6 months. It'll be fine.

[pearl parcel]

howzit mac

[leaden obsidian]

Mac and cheese??

[sonic cypress]

@lofty garden what you think aboud this build? I use it in eidolons. Is it optimal or can be better damage?

https://overframe.gg/build/new/1081/zenith/?bs=WzEsMTA4MSwzMCwxLFtbNjM2LDUsMV0sWzI0OTksOCwxLFtbMzgsMC43MjU1ODkzMzAxMDEwMTI1XSxbMjQsMC40NDU2NTIwNzQ3OTg0MTI5Nl0sWzI1LDAuMjI3MzkwOTEyMDQ1NTI4Nl1dLFs0NiwwXSw4LDEsMF0sWzYxMSwxMCwyXSxbNjI3LDUsM10sWzYzNSw1LDNdLFs1ODIsNSwzXSxbNjI1LDUsMV0sWzIzODQsMTAsMV0sWzY5OSw1LDNdLFs1NTA3LDUsMF1dXQ==

[junior skiff]

im looking at the tick damage calculation for elec procs for my excal influence build, im having trouble figuring out if the (1 + electricity damage bonuses) still applies without a mod like shocking touch if the melee has inate electricity

[fathom cipher]

let me check if ninjase updated his calculators

[fathom cipher]

u mind if i dm u the link to ninjases google sheets calculator? it wont let me send it here. its updated

idk if it has exact tick dmg tho. its more just dps n stuff and the area of influence

[fair flame]

Nose to see ya got them too lol

[daring parrot]

yeah i was at the bar meetup before tennocon

i chose the gas rework one

[sick quartz]

where do you equip the saturn six mask

[daring parrot]

have you played the second dream quest

[sick quartz]

i beat the main story

[daring parrot]

ok then operator

[sick quartz]

only? cuz the drifter it doesnt show up

[daring parrot]

yes

[leaden obsidian]

Operator only

[potent anvil]

what should i use my legendary core on? thinkin:

• max my primed cont
• max an umbral mod?? (probably not)
• trade it off for money for a nice arcane/primed mod

[fathom cipher]

probably primed continuity bcs they are the most expensive to lvl with creds and endo i think

[leaden obsidian]

Max psf

[potent anvil]

can you translate the initials

[pearl parcel]

i think i went overboard on the looting, those are all broken AKM-74u's

[potent anvil]

oh.
sure footed.
a mod that is both not tradable but i have to play warframe for 300 more days to obtain

[strong field]

Primed sure footj-

[pearl parcel]

hey chirpo, you think i went overboard on the warden murder and ak thegt

[brave flare]

You've out brainrotted me today

[fathom cipher]

freaky chirpyy 🦹‍♂️

[strong field]

Nah keep going

[strong field]

You told me to up my game, I did jus that

[leaden obsidian]

[strong field]

The difference between Caucasians and Asians is the ca-

[leaden obsidian]

Not gonna comment

[pearl parcel]

those are just the broken ones, i have like 14 more that are in decent enough condition to sell for some dinero

[full sphinx]

ax-52 nw augment worth getting? havent gotten around to actually getting the weapon yet but the augment seems like itd be pretty good on any weapon

im just not sure what a weak point kill is

[pearl parcel]

killing someone with a weakpoint hit, like hitting a drone in its noggin or a grineer/corpus in its dome

[full sphinx]

ah, so headshots should be enough most of the time to trigger a weakpoint hit?

[pearl parcel]

weakpoint kill

[leaden obsidian]

Kill, not hit

[full sphinx]

gotcha

[supple thicket]

is good?

[kind grove]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Warframe/comments/1js7r7l/i_did_like_gara_before_the_changes_too/

[leaden obsidian]

Hmm, can’t tell actually. Not sure what you’d slot it over

@devout burrow you able to help?

[sick quartz]

whats a good secondary for mr 11

[mellow turret]

it's not bad and you should be able to sell it quickly because of the coda version even though it has minimum dispo

[hearty pollen]

Roll or keep?

[sudden tendon]

Not rly slottable

[candid island]

Does a resource booster increase the drops of kuva capsules in survival?

[drifting canyon]

so stella best farm is doing the defense right ?

[crystal basin]

what weapon grolls r good for flipping

[candid island]

Mirror defense on deimos yes

[drifting canyon]

dammit annoying AF

even more when i have around 30 crystals to fuse -

[candid island]

Vauban makes it pretty easy

[drifting canyon]

and upgrade

[candid island]

Or mesa

[drifting canyon]

i mean i am with Volt

but the quantity still is terrible

the best so far was hitting those hand coffins and activating the 50 things

[crystal basin]

like what rivens sell for the most rn

[sudden tendon]

Torid, latron, magistar,ocucor,dual toxocyst, arca titron, burston,verglas,okina are all pretty valuable

[next kiln]

borgor

[tired wyvern]

Borgor

[next kiln]

ty u understand it

[crystal basin]

do u think ax 52 grolls sell for a lot too

[sudden tendon]

Shouldnt be too bad

[next kiln]

when we watching a miku who cant sing frfr

[sudden tendon]

May

[next kiln]

may i wat .-.

[sudden tendon]

May

[next kiln]

may i wat?

[sudden tendon]

The 5th month of the year

[next kiln]

wat dat

[sudden tendon]

May

[next kiln]

may i wat??

c:

[ember lion]

im legit tweaking at this point 45 mins down the drain for flare defence

[sudden tendon]

The 5th month of the year

[ember lion]

does anyone know the range on the void rifts in temporal archimedea?

[next kiln]

what dat

[ember lion]

like im trinity so in theory i should be able to heal flare easily but its not the case and they die too easily

[sudden tendon]

Idk what to tell you

[sudden tendon]

Dont think u can heal defence targets

[ember lion]

you can

[sudden tendon]

Oh

[ember lion]

well of life and blessing heal 500hp/s

sorry

[next kiln]

y not

[ember lion]

100 hp /s

[sudden tendon]

Cause u dont know

[next kiln]

but why dont u know

[sudden tendon]

I know but u dont

[ember lion]

blessing heals for 5s

[next kiln]

i dont think u do

[sudden tendon]

I dont think u do

[next kiln]

ik u dont

[bright nest]

Do I need to be a certain chemistry level with the hex to reach pizza.party rank?

[ember lion]

yea

[sudden tendon]

U dont jnow

[next kiln]

you dont know

[sudden tendon]

Uh huh

[next kiln]

yuh uh

[ember lion]

any tips for flare defence in ETA it genuinly seems impossible esp with the void rift modifer

[worthy tangle]

I just finished the second dream so when can I start Doing rail jack?

Or when you recommend it

[ember lion]

continue with the start chart

[worthy tangle]

Ok

[ember lion]

you get the quest soon i think

[worthy tangle]

Thanks for the info

[red vale]

Does DE have plans to add more incarnon weapons ?

[placid turtle]

Possibly, they added a batch a few updates ago, I think with Koumei

[fathom cipher]

most definitely. theyve been keeping up by adding new batches of warfarmes. most recent set was the one with like sybaris, okina, sibear, and the others

[gleaming palm]

Likely eventually

But the incarnons are starting to become overinflated. Maybe reconsidering the list and breaking up some of the weeks to make each week hold 6 weapons would make more logical sense then 9 weeks of 5 weapons

[summer forge]

Quick question, how do I know an antivirus mod is correct? Is that when it becomes red and slashed or does that mean that’s the incorrect mod?

[gleaming palm]

Red and slashed sounds like it would be incorrect though I don't really have experience with the coda Liches. Try asking #1197322290166251680

[red vale]

It’s gonna show up in the middle as the correct mod

[mild dome]

Guys, how do I get in contact with DE, so I can tell them to stop putting bugs in all my games. This harassment needs to stop.
Just got 4k standing for a win in faceoff, with the buff...

I finally accepted not getting the right amount of standing for losing, so I assume that's by the bug got buffed to include winning

[forest python]

Anyone know how many scans I need to add an enemy into the simulacrum?

[placid turtle]

Most enemies need 3 or 4, I think

If you check them in the Codex it'll say how much it needs

not all enemies can be spawned in the Simulacrum though

[maiden granite]

toxic still being toxic i see

[forest python]

Do I use the codex or the Simaris ones?

[maiden granite]

incorrect is red slash

you can use dante

for scanning

[forest python]

Im only trying to get the corrupted heavy gunner, finally using my brain and testing builds

[mild dome]

Very useful contribution you have here. Certainly not toxic in its' own right.
Telling me stuff like how the bug that makes my standing be wrong works / when it happens, so I can avoid it. That would be helpful instead

[restive warren]

"putting bugs in" ? 😩

[maiden granite]

dude what is your deal?

[restive warren]

As in "actively putting bugs in" yes?

Gotta double check

[maiden granite]

i have never heard anyone have that bug before so can't tell you how to avoid it

there are forums on warframe's webpage to report them so DE can fix them

this is not the place where you are going to get them fixed

[fathom cipher]

rank 4 fortuna woopee

[restive warren]

Sometime DE sees but generally both General chat/Gameplay discussion have so much stuff going on, they don't see.

[fathom cipher]

now i need more debt-bonds

[restive warren]

Depending how you're wording things it's just gonna come off the wrong way.

[maiden granite]

you can buy them dont forget

[next kiln]

nono u dont need more debt u need money

[fathom cipher]

not if ur poor like me 😎 buying their debt to put myself more in debt

[maiden granite]

i'll come farm with you if you want

[fathom cipher]

i also need some voidplume crests and then i needa kill eidolon for eidolon shards

[fathom cipher]

nah its fine im maxed out on standing for today xd

[maiden granite]

ohhh

[restive warren]

🦅

[maiden granite]

sounds like you need a financial advisor

[next kiln]

borgor

[fathom cipher]

sounds like i need it because at the same time im also saving for a maxed melee duplicate

[next kiln]

fries

[restive warren]

🫴🏻 🍔

[next kiln]

flint n meal or smth idk the spelling

[fiery oak]

Whether you wanted it or not, this is peak

[next kiln]

real

[mild dome]

All I did was imply you were being toxic, when all your contribution was to call me toxic? I can't say I see much problem with my logic here.

As for them not being fixed here, unfortunately none of my bugs are fixed anywhere.
Current rotation for talking about bugs is;

1. Discord users say use the bug channel
2. Bug channel says post a ticket / go to forums
3. Ticket repliers say they can't help you, go to the forums
4. Post a thread in the relevant forum (Often the newest update)
   4a. Wait a few months, where maybe a few users will reply to it.
   4b. Realize the next big update is out, so that forum has been archived along with your thread, so all your info you posted there is lost for yourself

[pearl parcel]

hey jon, i have a question

do you think im going a little overboard on my genocide run of stalker 2? ive got 14 more that arent broken

[next kiln]

yah

[pearl parcel]

each warden only has 1 rifle btw

[next kiln]

._.

idk might be to many guns

[pearl parcel]

those are the ones i didnt keep, i sold the rest that were functional and kept one just for me until i found my ak-74s

[next kiln]

._.

[pearl parcel]

theres about 20 something rifles in the busted pile, and there were 14 more i sold, and one more i kept

[leaden obsidian]

[next kiln]

sell ur soul fr

[pearl parcel]

each soldier only gets 1 rifle, i might have cleared out a military base by accident

[crystal basin]

if i had to guess, unless a big stink is drawn up over a specific bug (like if its game breaking) and if its easy enough to where ppl can easily reproduce it its prolly on the priority list

[pearl parcel]

now in my defense they shot first and i panicked, iwasnt using AP rounds so i thought it would just knock them out

[crystal basin]

otherwise yea i doubt de will even see it

[leaden obsidian]

What be happening

[mild dome]

Sorry for seeming angry and toxic, but it builds up, when I have gamebreaking bugs in almost every, single, game, I play on Warframe.

I just finished a faceoff, and this was my experience in the single last round;

1. Atlas landslide bugged out, so I got a cooldown before being allowed to use it again.
2. Landslide can't target TI-92 enemies
3. Our team fell behind as the fuel cell carriers stopped spawning for a while
4. We lost, as even though we catched up, my landslide stopped working on the last Babau eximus, as we had catched up with the 2 other assassinations.
5. We got too little standing, as with Techrot Encore they made it scale with progress on last bounty, yet it only works like 10-20% of the time.

[pearl parcel]

i've been committing a slaughter across the zone to retrieve an unreasonable amount of rifles

i gathered 175 pounds worth of gun at one point, each one weighs like 6 pounds

[leaden obsidian]

Nice

[pearl parcel]

turns out military installations have lots of ak's, and most of them are sellable

[leaden obsidian]

I’d imagine they have alot of aks, since it’s the military

[pearl parcel]

43, one for each soldier, and a sidearm on each

[leaden obsidian]

Dang

[pearl parcel]

only 14 rifles and 20 pistols were in good enough condition to keep though

[mild dome]

Not sure how much of a stink is needed to get them to fix the most intense gamebreaking bugs in the game. Like most people I've talked to in-game, knows about the bug where you're locked out of operator form, and stuck in warframe form.
Except, almost no function work then, only moving around (But warframe doesn't look in the right direction), chat and emoting. This particular one has been in the game since 2020, and been posted about close to 20 times I think.
Only fix for it, is to be downed, not be revived and use up a death, which makes it a fun bug in arbitration, archon hunts, archimedea, etc.

[leaden obsidian]

Unfortunate

[pearl parcel]

there also happens to be one less military installation in the zone, and 43 less members of the wardens order that are breathing

[leaden obsidian]

Ah

[pearl parcel]

i got a bunch of kroner tho

[leaden obsidian]

Aye

[pearl parcel]

and a stendo for the ak-74s i just got

now i hold 45 instead of 30 rounds

[leaden obsidian]

Aye

[pearl parcel]

now i gotta find a compensator and a red doot

[leaden obsidian]

Gl

[pearl parcel]

there are many more military installations and bandit camps, and i have 68 kilograms of bullets on my person

[leaden obsidian]

So it’s a matter of time before you find the attachments

[pearl parcel]

or enough kroner to purchase them

[leaden obsidian]

Yeah

[pearl parcel]

i think im playing hte game wrong though

[leaden obsidian]

What makes you say that

[pearl parcel]

cause i only get 80 kilograms of space on my person before i have an exosuit or drink the wierd water of zoran, and i currently have 68 kilograms of ammunition on my person

ive done exchanges in both shops i have available, im holding like 15 boxes of slugs, 20 boxes of buckshot, 400 rounds of AP 5.45, and even more in 9x18mm

[leaden obsidian]

I see

No way to lower the weight of ammo?

[pearl parcel]

firing it, but then i have no bullets

[leaden obsidian]

I see

[restive warren]

Just so you know Warframe engine is Evolution with is De custom

And it's old

I'm not saying it's an excuse, because even Pablo admitted last big update was a mess. (idk if it was exact wording used)

Certain engines are easier to code for

[strong field]

Nezha proto better be hatsune miku

[fiery oak]

What prompted you to say this

[strong field]

Nezha

[fiery oak]

Fair enough

[restive warren]

I understand frustration however

[leaden obsidian]

[strong field]

https://tenor.com/view/jeremy-clarkson-sometimes-my-genius-almost-frightening-driving-car-ride-gif-16463163

[restive warren]

Only reason I'm indifferent is I had to dealt with much-much worse so I have higher tolerance. There's still bug I find mildly aggravating because they just keep coming back

(and also because I have 0 idea how Evolution Engine function. Not that I would understand much anyways)

[leaden obsidian]

Kath, what has happened here

[pearl parcel]

chirpo are you being a weeb

[restive warren]

Not much

[leaden obsidian]

She’s always a weeb

[pearl parcel]

[strong field]

I mean

[restive warren]

"He's not wrong, but don't out me like that" ?

[strong field]

[pearl parcel]

well i hate weebs, adios chirpo

[leaden obsidian]

She’s Japanese, she’s always a weeb

[strong field]

Im not 😭😭😭

[vapid vessel]

i just found out u can play the guitar !!

[strong field]

Ppl keep mistaking indo for some other asian country

[restive warren]

Yeah and all guitars (Shawzin) sounds different

[strong field]

Some people even try to collect all the different kinds of shawzins and play all kinds of songs with them

Warframe truly is a sandbox

[vapid vessel]

omggg

[vapid vessel]

im gna collect all of them now that uve said that

[restive warren]

There's a few that not obtainable anymore :(

They might come back tho

[vapid vessel]

fml

[strong field]

On one hand we got the most sweaty people that likes to nuke enemies by just looking at them.

On the other we got fishing and shawzins

[restive warren]

the one from Octavia prime accessories and the... dammit I think it's one that was from Prime gaming. But those eventually get into Varzia's shop sooner or later

[vapid vessel]

i hate fishing so much. i dont have the attention span nor patience for it

[leaden obsidian]

And in the middle we have ember

[strong field]

Whoa there

Your freakiness is leaking everywhere

[vapid vessel]

yes i got the octavia one ! its super cute

[leaden obsidian]

Nu uh

It stays in dms

[restive warren]

https://wiki.warframe.com/w/Shawzin Here if you wanna see all possible Shawzin you can get.

It list 'em all as far as I'm concerned

[strong field]

I should retire and play shawzins for a living

[leaden obsidian]

Nu uh

[strong field]

I main nezha for goodness sake I gotta act like a hatsune miku for once

[maiden granite]

[restive warren]

Glorious hair

[leaden obsidian]

What? Would nova have been better?

[strong field]

Nezha

[restive warren]

Sevagoth

[strong field]

https://tenor.com/view/patrick-star-gif-26051005

[restive warren]

[leaden obsidian]

[maiden granite]

I...don't know how to answer that

[leaden obsidian]

[maiden granite]

frost proto looks like my husband but older and grey hair

sssoooooooooooooooooooooooo

[strong field]

Ayo

That's hot

[maiden granite]

oops too many "o"

[restive warren]

[vapid vessel]

oh lucky girl

[leaden obsidian]

Frost main??

[maiden granite]

actually when he used to play warframe yes he was a frost main 🤪

[restive warren]

[leaden obsidian]

Get him back in!

[restive warren]

Then proceed to gift him Proto Frost skin

[vapid vessel]

tyty

[maiden granite]

lol!

[maiden granite]

i have tried, but he no wanna

[leaden obsidian]

[mild dome]

I generally have a high tolerance for bugs, but as my bug notepad is now up to 330 lines for Warframe,
and the current bugs I've posted (10% of my bugs or so) amounts to this thread; https://forums.warframe.com/topic/1441290-toxiccookies-list-of-bugs-issues/

That combined with the 50 or so new and unique bugs I've experienced since Techrot Encore, then even my patience is wearing thin.
If it was only 50 new bugs, it would be one thing, but they only pile on top of the 150 or so older recurring bugs I have...

But, I understand that they will have problems with an old engine, but my problem is when seemingly any bug that affects me have diplomatic immunity from being fixed.
I mean, the one bug they fixed I was happy about was the one where Cyte + Tranquilizer meant losing half of his 2nd ability.
Other than that I'm still giddy that they fixed the smeeta charm bug back in december (It reduced all crits to orange crits, rip Kullervo), even though I don't use smeeta anymore since the last companion rework.

[prime rivet]

whoever showed me that plains of eidolon power leveling trick, I can't do it.

[leaden obsidian]

Takes practice, I can’t do it either

[mild dome]

Fyi, not all shawzins sound unique, but most do. Just check the wiki and it says which type of instrument each one emulates.

[restive warren]

Smeeta hardlocks your crit.

[maiden granite]

that was @fathom cipher

[restive warren]

I don't think it'd be a bug

Adarza is the cat you want if you want to go beyond/above

[mild dome]

DE fixed it, so apparently it was, so it should now just set orange to minimum crit

[prime rivet]

i don't have the patience for that kind of practice

[restive warren]

I mean it should be orange and not any higher is what I meant sorry

Which is nice for weapon that "can't really crit"

[mild dome]

Yeah, but it nerfed any crit that was higher down to orange. So Kullervo with his guaranteed crits, became useless with that debuff

You notice it very much when your red !!! crits go down to orange

[restive warren]

I mean Smeeta shouldn't do crit considering Adarza only thing to do is crit

[leaden obsidian]

Then off to SO you go

[restive warren]

I always found the russian roulette was something iffed, but that it has crit when we already have a crit cat just feels sorta pointless even tho they do it differently

[prime rivet]

I can't do that either yet. frame hasn't hit 30

[lofty garden]

SO you can do

[restive warren]

But beside that

[leaden obsidian]

normal sanctuary?

[mild dome]

That's another discussion, I'm just happy I don't have to unequip the mod when playing Kullervo, Citrine, or other frames with high crit / weapons with high crit

[restive warren]

Ye

[prime rivet]

Not fast enough

[leaden obsidian]

Either practice or go hit SO

[zinc lotus]

Sup everyone

[restive warren]

I had to watch a whole guide once because the game I kept playing keep fixing bugs then new update came out and so much stuff would break

So I ended up watching their video they did on it

[leaden obsidian]

No

[prime rivet]

guess i'm waiting for my next payday to buy a double xp boost

[zinc lotus]

Head high

[restive warren]

Explaining that sometime a bug look simple, but to fix it there's just so much to do

Or thing it'd break if they fixed it without checking whole rest

Which leaves me the question of: How old is Evolution and what type of issue it mainly has

[maiden granite]

or go chill in a relay for a min

[restive warren]

Honestly could be nice if DE themselves made a video explaining pros/cons of their Engine

But idk how much angsty people would post hate comment

[sudden tendon]

heyyyyyyyyyy

[leaden obsidian]

Yes

[mild dome]

Well, that's fair, but that's also why there should be a proper known bugs list, to show that they do know about it.
As it is, they generally have a short one showing 5-10 known bugs for the current big update.
If there are bugs that are just too time consuming to fix, at least for now, it'd help a ton to at least know about it.

[zinc lotus]

Sup Zsss

[sudden tendon]

yeah?

oh

[zinc lotus]

I meant sup my bad bro

[mild dome]

I still wish to complete my codex, but tons, tons, of bugs prevent that. Oldest one that prevents me (That I know about at least) is from 2016 with the release of silver grove

[leaden obsidian]

[restive warren]

I mean there's also the fact there's some enemies that are from event only we will never see again.

To add insult to injury

I gave up on completing that because of the raids mobs

[mild dome]

And as a player who started in 2022, it is literally impossible for me to finish it, due to not only bugs, but as you say, enemies that don't show up

[restive warren]

Because they were from event/raids

[mild dome]

THey have the ability to make unobtainable codex entries invisible for players who have 0 scans, but they only use it for a few entries

[restive warren]

There's 2 oddity (that I can remember) that just don't spawn anymore (?) or never did (?)

Don't ask me which, I don't know on top of my head. I gave up long ago

[mild dome]

With Koumei they actually released some old Deimos enemies as part of it, so it was possible to complete the codex for them.
Other than that, there are up to 16 entries that are almost impossible, or actually impossible

[prime rivet]

also, people don't stick around SO long enough for a single run to get to max level

[restive warren]

Sanctuary Onslaught yes?

[mild dome]

But yeah, there are like 2 narmer dropships that are impossible to scan, the silver grove apothics that are bugged for tons of people, an ally corpus ship that spawns for a few seconds in new war, which is possible if you time everything right, and pray to the correct deity, etc

[restive warren]

Yeah people just run a lot of booster so they're there for 3 sec then get out

[prime rivet]

and I don't have boosters ATM

[mild dome]

My current missing / uncompleted entries;

Finally saturn six fugitives are back, but they don't give the correct codex entry, they seem to scan as normal grineer. They did post it as a known bug in a hotfix, but I kinda doubt it will be fixed

[restive warren]

In time?

Well

When is tennocon again?

[sudden tendon]

april 17 iirc

[mild dome]

July you mean?

[sudden tendon]

yeah mb

and its 18-19

[restive warren]

Yeah it's in a while

[daring parrot]

yay two day events from now own

[storm sable]

Who provides more to a group between Citrine and Jade?

[restive warren]

They provide different buff

[lofty garden]

Citrines are never seen.

[restive warren]

Which is unfortunate

[daring parrot]

id say jade provides more

[restive warren]

They are nice to have in a group

[lofty garden]

Jade floats around and marks here territory.

Oh, I mean you never see the Citrine frame.

The gemstone stands out like a sore thumb.

[mild dome]

I'd say Citrine, at least when you have several augments.

• Passive gives 5->25hp/s regen
• 1 spawns health orbs
• 2 gives easily 70-90% damage reduction
• Her 3 I think gives guaranteed status
• 4 spawns crystals on enemies that allies can shoot for insane crits

[restive warren]

I do like Citrine because they buff status

[lofty garden]

I honestly don't know what either one does. I'm just Hildryn.

[restive warren]

Shouldn't you like a Citrine in your group for buff?

[mild dome]

Citrine is one of my carryframes

[restive warren]

You can just... bewm bewm, assuming you have the newish Hildryn augment

I just want Citrine deluxe yesterday 😩

[mild dome]

I want Kullervo deluxe almost 2 years ago

[restive warren]

Citrine prime next year 😭

[lofty garden]

Just being able to use all your abilities while in 4 is enough.

[mild dome]

Are you sure next year? :u

[restive warren]

Meanwhile me Mesa waltzing and just rolling viciously

[mild dome]

When I've looked at normal vs primes, it seems they vary from 3-4 years

[lofty garden]

It's ~4 primes/yr, so you can just do the math. There are times it's longer, but that was mostly lockdown.

[restive warren]

I might have miscacul, hold on

Yareli Prime -Kompressa
Caliban Prime - Venato

Gyre Prime - Alternox
Styanax Prime

Voruna Prime
Citrine Prime

Ignore weap, I didn't feel like cleaning my Wordpad

[mild dome]

Think it varies depending on the male/female rotation, so lucky frames got shorter, unlucky got longer

[lofty garden]

So 2026

[restive warren]

Meanwhile Sevagoth double skipping.

[lofty garden]

or early 2027

[restive warren]

Depending if they play swapperoo ye

[mild dome]

It's generally 2male/2female, so that setup is wrong 😮

[restive warren]

Oh no that's the

[mild dome]

Only one that tricked people a bit were Xaku, understandably

[restive warren]

That's the order they came in

[mild dome]

Who was before Lavos again?

[restive warren]

Not perfect order, are you crazy do you know how much work that'd take me to ungaslght myself after self-gaslighting (Joking aside I should've specified)

[restive warren]

Xaku

But yeah I need to rework my list at some point so it makes it easier when showing to other

[mild dome]

Looks like Xaku was considered female according to order, so next up should be sevagoth, then yareli + another female

[restive warren]

However, the issue I have with that is when they randomly play swapperoo and I just sit there be like "wait, no hold on"

[mild dome]

If you google warframe prime release order, first site has a good overview

[leaden obsidian]

[restive warren]

I prefer using either or wiki

[mild dome]

Bruh, I forgot sevagoth prime already is out

[restive warren]

Which work just fine, considering it's always open 😩

[mild dome]

My math is mething instead of mathing

[restive warren]

Yeah he just double skipped, dunked Xaku and Lavos 5head like a chad

I didn't even know what to say when Sevagoth prime happened

Man was in a hurry to come out

[mild dome]

Right, and that has messed up the order, so now yareli prime is expected, and then presumably back to 2male/2female

[strong field]

Xakus design was leaning towards feminine yeah. At least according to wf wiki

[restive warren]

Yeah it's generally just swap not full on skip

Gave me a headache

[strong field]

Was

[restive warren]

I mean you're right

[mild dome]

oh my, looks like kullervo skips ahead of citrine according to predictions

So kullervo in a year, and citrine in 1,5 years 😮

[restive warren]

😭

Gemus-

🙏🏻 to the red text

[restive warren]

wait

I just thought

What happen if you put Universal fallout on Citrine ?

I have so much science to do 😩

[strong field]

https://tenor.com/view/you-know-im-something-of-a-scientist-myself-scientist-donald-kimball-gif-14910706

[mild dome]

I only remember fallout arcane being radiation related :U

[fathom cipher]

gimme that yareli prime

[maiden granite]

i want gyre prime

[leaden obsidian]

Can she proc rad?

[mild dome]

All I know is that when I max one, then apparently I put it on Qorvex with the new augment

[strong field]

https://tenor.com/view/fish-just-fish-fish-fishing-fishe-gif-20372486

[restive warren]

Anything to skip the Lamp helm from the deluxe

[fathom cipher]

istg what were they thinking

[mild dome]

I think she can proc all statuses randomly

[leaden obsidian]

Ing you out of the well

[strong field]

https://tenor.com/view/blackbeard-blackbeard-writing-taking-notes-writing-gif-17583038544116987898

[fathom cipher]

where dress? where dress with bowl head yareli

[restive warren]

😭

I hate what my mind is seeing

[leaden obsidian]

I need a yareli skin with rhinos head

[restive warren]

Delete brain

Returning to monke

[pearl parcel]

i have good news pix

[leaden obsidian]

Do share

[pearl parcel]

i have found a way to carry more than 80 kilograms of equipment

[mild dome]

I need yareli, but with Sevagoth prime's thighs

[restive warren]

[leaden obsidian]

Oh?

[restive warren]

They know what's going on

[pearl parcel]

there is bad news though, i need to go three regions east and dive into a swamp in the dead of night, lit only by radioactive wandering orbs that emit light

[leaden obsidian]

Get skirt skater first

[leaden obsidian]

Oof

[restive warren]

All of this sounds like extra step

[pearl parcel]

but hey if i get the weird water of Zaton i can carry more AK's before i stop being able to walk

[leaden obsidian]

Store ammo with extra steps

[pearl parcel]

and if i reach the Concrete factory east of Garbage, i can get an exo-suit for even moar weight

[mild dome]

I do have Yareli 😅
I just need Yareli Prime, with Sevagoth Prime's thighs, to bring balance to the universe

[restive warren]

You get free crushed watermelon too as a plus

[strong field]

Bro's going places

[restive warren]

[pearl parcel]

no i have enough ammo, i think 68 kilograms will be enough when one headshot takes someone out, but i can carry more ammunition

[strong field]

Death by snu snu

[restive warren]

Win-win situation

[pearl parcel]

or i can carry more guns, or more food, or more bodies to hide

[restive warren]

Prob one of my favorite emote, it's so silly

[pearl parcel]

the military emplacements cant figure out what happened at the sphere after all

[leaden obsidian]

ember

[prime rivet]

couldn't even break 20 from one SO.....

[leaden obsidian]

Oof

[mild dome]

I mean, their offspring would be bottom heavy

[restive warren]

I just want a helmet that works very well with Yareli deluxe body

I just hate the lamp that come as a helmet with it

The body is 🫡 👌🏻

[runic solstice]

how long will the tennocon digital pack be on sale for

[restive warren]

Until day of tennocon I think? Does it not say on their main website..?

[mild dome]

Yeah, the deluxe lamp looks like something Baro would sell for 1 million credits.
But the Physalia helmet is best option for that body 😚

[lofty garden]

Probably until Baro is ready to leave his Tennocon relay.

[restive warren]

... That's tennogen or the alt?

[mild dome]

The alt

[runic solstice]

it isnt on the store page
and idk where to find it

[pearl parcel]

oh yeah, pix, better news, i found an AK-74s, so that stendo is finally useful

[restive warren]

With whatever color I had going on I was better off with tennogen, but I'm glad it work with vivid colors

[mild dome]

That helmet is not a hit with my build 😅

[restive warren]

I think the only thing was it was a bit slim

thin, ah Idk which word

If you do anything grey and I think t'was white and off-black it just... Look sorta weird

[fathom cipher]

kath are u playing right now?

[pearl parcel]

howzit crispo

[leaden obsidian]

No

[restive warren]

(Which could be easily fixed if I was allowed to color body/head seperatedly)

[fathom cipher]

hey

[pearl parcel]

i got good news dude, i can carry more thank 80 kilograms of weaponry

[restive warren]

No but I could be considering I've been staring at my screen for 30mins trying to motivate myself to do bosses

[pearl parcel]

there is a downside though, i need to venture into a mystical radioactive swamp lit only by radiation balls that will kill me if i touch them

[mild dome]

Think they said probably no go for separate color on head/body in a recent devstream, if I remember right 😓

[leaden obsidian]

Go do ETA

[fathom cipher]

i was gonna ask if u had experience in killing eidolons lol

what should i bring for this eidolon hunt

[leaden obsidian]

I hmgave you advice the other day, go start the bounty

[fathom cipher]

volt then who

[pearl parcel]

oh yeah, crispo, i have a question

[leaden obsidian]

Someone there can absolutely carry

[restive warren]

Did they?

[mild dome]

In devshort earlier today, Reb admitted she and Pablo aren't 100% sure when Lech Kril can be damaged 😂

[restive warren]

Last devstream?

Oh

[fathom cipher]

wsp

[mild dome]

I'm not a 100% sure, but I think I recall a question like that in the last few months

[pearl parcel]

do you think this is too much murder? each warden had 1 rifle, and those are only the broken ones

[restive warren]

I missed the last 2 devstream

So might be in either or

I'll check it up when I feel like I have the attention span to watch 3 devstream in a row

[lofty garden]

Kril's hoses are shot so quickly, no one notices.

[pearl parcel]

the screwed up th ing is that each npc gets a randomly generated name and nickname, and occasionally a PDA with quickly generated lore

[mild dome]

I could be mixing it up a bit, as they also recently answered about being able to use gemini heads with other skins, which seemed like a more definitive no.
So again, not 100% sure :C

[restive warren]

I remember there was a time it was confirmed some of the kubrow could bug out of the fight.

I have no idea if said bug was fixed.

[restive warren]

AH! I remember this vaguely, I don't remember the full wording used but yeah: It was a definite no.

[mild dome]

Where them hose at? 😂

[forest python]

I have learned the ways of Viral, Heat, and Slash, I am unstoppable

[fathom cipher]

@leaden obsidian no one joined me 😭

[restive warren]

On his back.

[leaden obsidian]

Skill issue

[mild dome]

I made a witty and clever pun 😓

[restive warren]

And if the kubrow would hold onto Khril it would just bug out the fight

I remember Helminth with Probocis bugged it, and I think 2 other kubrows that would hold onto target

Past a certain point the peeps I kept accidentally running with all agreed to unequp our kubrows and go back in

Again that was ages ago

Probably got fixed since then (I hope)

[mild dome]

Never had it happen during the last 2-3 years, so I'd assume it was

[restive warren]

At some point in 2018

Kubrow hugs and goober just break Khril's brain confirmed at that time

Thank fudge then, it was frustrating

Also I hated to have to pass on the word, I felt like an a-hole that would try to pick at newbies gear

[mild dome]

Understandable. I vaguely remember some other companion/equipment being bugged, during the last 2 years, so that everyone would have to avoid it, but can't remember what that was.

[restive warren]

Which wasn't the case but I'm sure some felt that way

[mild dome]

Was definitely not that lech krill issue, but something else

Anyhow, super late here now, so time to head off to bed

[restive warren]

Companion having orange cat energy as part as immersion bug

🌈 Feature

[mild dome]

Plan is to head to bed, and dream about being between Spartan Mommy Hildryn's thighs 🫡

[void crescent]

Whelp social is on the fritz again. Both my friends are on, but the social isn't saying they are

[restive warren]

Can they invite you or no one can invite each other?

[void crescent]

Nope, theirs says I'm not on

[mild dome]

https://tenor.com/view/funny-animals-good-night-kittens-tucked-in-stretch-gif-11237453091350123036

[restive warren]

Either way for those bugs, generally it's a case of "Have you tried turning it on/off?" (Just everyone close their game and relaunch)

[restive warren]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-trapped-kitten-speech-bubble-gif-25553629

[zinc lotus]

Sevagoth

[void crescent]

Did that, didn't work

[restive warren]

Did they?

[void crescent]

All 4 of us did

[restive warren]

It's potentially not necessarily on your end the issue.