#If you were hired to write a Transformers G1 reboot, What changes would you make?
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And by that I mean:
-more fights
-more brutal kills
-A more violent and wise Optimus(So Bayverse Optimus Prime is not alone)
-Same with Megatron
-As less human characters as possible(cuz why not?)
-Keep "the goats" alive as much as possible during and after the G1 movie
-possibly add some tf osts to some final battles/cool fights/etc so there is more tension. This includes "The touch" ost.
-Ocasional Male-female only romance (other kinds of romances will result in a less cool series)
-No Earthspark kind of stuff (same reason as the up one)
-Great one liners and speaches
-No plot armor
-ocasional jokes to detensionate the atmosfear in some ocasions (ex: Bayverse)
-Maybe add another season before the first G1 season,that would take place in the era of the Primes,making up the lore and conecting itself with the actual G1 series.
-HD textures fr
-Interconecting it with beast wars like in Wfo series.
-Add more seasons/make the seasons last longer in order for the action to happen.
-Add characters from all continuites as much as possible.
"Male-female only romance"
That's oddly specific
"what is your wish Megatron?"
And out of everything I said,thats the only thing that you comment about.
Thats....pretty strange. You didnt even bothered to say why exactlly is wierd. And plus,I already mentioned there why I made this choice.
It's because the original cartoon had barely any romance
Wich means that there is no problem in adding male-female only romance. But still,I would not do it as big of a thing as you expect. It would be smth like wfo siege Optimus with Elita-1
Ok, I understand now
Really if I had to make a g1 remake in 2024 aimed to the current transformers fandom, the really big change that would be needed would be making it more adult oriented, a la tfp and bayverse
Also alot less characters at one time
Could you elaborate on the "add characters from all continuities as much as possible"
Like, how many main characters and how many side characters
Also, The "no plot armor" and "keep the goats alive as much as possible" doesn't make much sense.
I dunno, I personally think that having a campier, more light-hearted tone gave it a unique charm compared to later shows. I do think having a more grounded tone without losing it's identiy would be nice.
I agree with the light hearted tone making it unique, but the current transformers fandom is like 80 percent adults and I feel like bumblebee asking optimus for a hug every 4 episodes wouldn't be very engaging to them
They could maybe keep it PG while still being mature, like with Transformers Prime or Beast Wars. I think a show that could be appropriate for kids without alienating adult fans could really work without being tonally inconsistent.
Prime was pg 13 and I think that's 1 of 2 examples of what tf shows shoot for, maybe toning down some of the darker episodes like the one with the death of tailgate. The other option is making it a 5+ show like rescue bots
It all really depends on ideas and how certain themes are executed. You can still be lighthearted while also being mature, or at times some what graphic (an example would be Adventure Time)
I do think a transformers show aimed at an older audience would be really good. However, from the indistury side of things, I have a feeling that hasbro will cancel that after 3 seasons if it doesn't make enough dabloons
What are "other kinds of romances"?
Thatâs kind of the one thing thatâs casually homophobic about your post. And the problem with it is that youâre being casually homophobic by stating that only straight romances work, and that Earthspark didnât work because it had them
I mean Iâd argue that trying to make it more like Bayverse only brings in the problems of the Bayverse(mostly the kind of jokes), but again thats not really a problem compared to the homophobia
Also, if youâre trying for less humans in the show, then why try and make only male-female romances? Given the bad ratio of male to female bots usually, it means that female bots would end up more forced into the role of love interest
With less humans in the series, then there should be less of an idea of human genders and how those genders have romances to influence them. Even with human influence, given the make/female bot ratio, there was already likely plenty of MLM bot romance since there wasnât an idea of a gender division
So, even without the homophobia, bots having more straight relationships than queer ones doesnât make sense
I wasn't the only person who thought it was homophobic? That feels reassuring of my morals
Oh yeah, and itâs not the first time with this user either
If you were hired to write a Transformers G1 reboot, What changes would you make?
That and... they are robots, they don't reproduce like humans. One of the reasons why same gender couples are discriminated against is because they "can't produce a child" and "it's against nature"
Why would robots from space, who are not from earth, who don't really need to worry about that stuff be limited to hetero relationships?
That does bring up the argument of "then why are there male and female transformers in the first place?", but like I said, they are robots, I feel like it would be more of a classification/label of the robots' models
(Thx for calling them out btw, I noticed that too but I felt like it would start an argument :( )
Truthfully, the cybertronians arenât even male and female. The species is mono-gendered as far as we know
The only gendering they have would realistically come from their experiences on earth with our genders and deciding which one fits them, or more realistically, how humans would be the ones to gender them or assume that they have a gender based on how they look
That does make sense.
There is an argument to be made about that "if they have no gender why do they use gendered pronouns when referring to eachother"
But yk... they are alien robots that turn into cars and shit why can they talk English in the first place if they have never seen earth?
Thereâs probably a lot of cons who are ungendered simply because they donât care enough for how humans think of themselves and their genders
Just an unwillingness to engage in small parts of human ways to identify yourself
cough cough tfp starscream cough cough
The gendered pronouns are really just because humans are writing them and as far as we know pronouns are very average
Yea
Plus as I said, them going by what theyâre closest to by human standards
Also "less cool series" XD?
Stuff like that usually depend on the execution of the idea at hand. Same can also be said for hetero relationships too
Yeah romance in general is just easy to mishandle and have it take away from a series lol
SAMURAI JACK COUGHS LOUDLY
Only reason itâs harder for LGBTQ relationships is because theyâre inherently under a lot more pressure and attention nowadays
Get judged so much more and held up to higher standards because people want to scrutinize more
Hot take but
Maybe romance shouldn't be the main focus abt a series of robots from outer space that turn into machines and blast scrap
Like whatsoever
I agree and respect your opinion đ
We weren't really trying to make it the main focus tho, just talking abt how a relationship between two alien space robots would work if there were to be one
I think we've strayed a bit too far from op's topic tho
Imo, all tf relationships are inherently LGBTQ as they are mono gender, no matter how pointlessly gendered they are and that's alright
That was kinda my point yea
People donât like to talk much about how alien romances are inherently queer
Back on the original topic, I think what makes G1 disliked is likely the inconsistencies. So I'd try to fix those
Other than not being homophobic like the first person who responded to this post, what do you guys think would go into a good tf series
Robots actually appearing injured when they're shot with lazers instead of just having a little dent or a little black spot or smth đ
Real
My one major gripe with g1 and this is my only one
Is they didn't show slingshot with the gold car bumper on his chest after that episode
Continuity should be a big focus
Things such as
some characters appearing and disappearing out of nowhere
deceptions being able to turn into Jets despite flying regardless
giving the bots random abilities out of no where and then never mentioning it again (like megs shooting lazers out of his eyes and prime being able to lift up a ship despite having trouble lifting up a peice of metal to save sparkplug and spike)
Huge bots turning into small objects... I mean it bothered me at first but now ig it's just kinda silly. Megatron turning into a gun is just not it tho, pretty anticlimactic for a deception leader. I feel like a tank would be more fitting
All great points
How would we do Characters. G1 esque where there's 80 million and they all get a spotlight or more of a mainstay 6-7?
I'd prefer a mainstay 6 or 7 but it's not all my decision
Ig there could be side characters, but I'd rather not have to kill some fellas off or "send them to a nice vacation on cybertron" if the toy sales aren't doing so hot
Yea that's what I thought g1 kinda hit an 89 degree angle on the killcount after the movie
Hot take 2 bumblebee does not need to be in this theoretical show
It is time for him to step down
Discussing complex gender shit about badass alien robots screams unemployment.
Cool ideas apart from violent Optimus. I like it when he hates he has to be violent
I'm not even old enough to be employed 
I guess that says a lot about how I choose to spend my time instead of getting a good night's rest
That's a pretty banger idea!!
What's weird is the fact it sounds homophobic even if that was not the intent
Same on both accounts
Or yâknow, taking shots at people who are discussing things about series they like ainât it either chief
I love bee but, we need to bring back my boy sunstreaker đ
I wonder why he's almost nowhere to be seen, is it a legal issue? Or do they just not want a second yellow character
I think it's because hasbro has basically stopped caring abt all tf characters outside of bee, Optimus, megs, and the fembot of the month
And that's sad
I will say that if you want the series to still sorta be âG1â, then I think there are a few wackier aspects you need to kinda keep with to maintain its status as G1. Take too many liberties and itâs just another show
it's not that, but there are a million and one incredible things in this world. Education, stories, myths/legends and being in nature. You have a chance to do all this, and yet in a form about a re-make of a cool story, somehow, the question of whether Soundwave has a band word or a band word comes up. Think about cool shit yk...
ye i always think its cool if his brutal actions haunt him but he knows he has to do em
Not trying to start an arguement, but by that logic, that means there are better things to be doing than sparking debate about someone doing something they enjoy
your not tho. Your discussing the logic of is the guy's statement homophobic. What do you gain from that? He's had a bunch of cool ideas yet thats important?
Yeaa... I'd probably say we should just move on
Or take it to somewhere else so it can be settled properly
I completely agree. Discuss this amazing story that's lasted decades. No need for modern politics to be brought into it.
Well discussing his point of his homophobia brought us to dissecting a different aspect of how gender in media is presented. What Iâd say I gain from that though is bringing to light his homophobia and drawn focus to it, as someone making homophobic statements should be checked and pushed back against
What was homophobic about what he said?
The series is literally about alien refugees bringing a war to a new planet. Itâs always kinda bee political bud
Specifying he only wants straight relationships in his rewrite and none others is kinda homophobic. Because theyâre making it clear they want to exclude LGBTQ rep in any relationships
đBro it was made to seel robot toys. It was not made with that thought in mind.
But that was a part of the story
And things can absolutely be two things
The series purpose was to sell toys. But the narratives undoubtedly have aspects that are political
But there's nothing wrong with that, if he feels the story will do better without gay folk in it then that's just his call... It's not inherently homophobic in the same way saying you want a story with only gay people also isn't wrong.
I DONT WANNA HEAR ANY ARGUEMENTS BELOW THIS LINE. IF YOU ALL CARE TO THE POINT OF DEFENDING THE GEOPOLOTICS OF ALIEN ROBOTS THAT TRANSFORM INTO COOL THINGS AND BLAST OTHER THINGS INTO SCRAP TAKE IT TO DMS THIS IS SILLY
yes ofc. and today the stroy 100% does. but not since day one
mb
sent before seen
literally same time
Understandable
Itâs straight up homophobic to say that he thinks media would be better without gay people in it, and this isnât the only time that theyâve said questionable stuff along those lines before
admin fellas not gonna be happy
hang on tho you cant say when he's not said that. Don't make up what the guys saying bro (not a fight just a healthy rebuttal)
also whats he said before?
You donât need to ping me for every response btw
how do u not
fair play, cheersđ
... I guess I'll continue
I'd probably try to enhance the character desgin by visual storytelling. Like ironhide having scars or scratches, or maybe a medal or two to show that he's been at this for a while
Or how a character like sunstreaker and sideswipe updating their vehicle modes from time to time to be hip/fit into human trends and stuff or be cool
How has jazz not caused spike and sparkplug tinnitus at this point
If theyâre saying they think LGBTQ relationships existing but not straight relationships existing will somehow make things less cool, thatâs a straight implication that they think those forms of relationships are not okay or not cool somehow. The fact youâre stretching so hard to try and defend their stance about not wanting LGBTQ rep is a bit worrying itself
And until they return to respond to our points about what they said earlier, thatâs all we have to go off of for their stance
make em less boxy tho fr. Threezeroo MDlX nailed live action g1
I have a feeling they're gonna pull a "Why is bro yapping so much" response
I hate labelling people. The guy made a point and you flew in assuming loads of shit with no proof. It's more concerning you just seem to want to call him this and that to prove a point.
I'd argue the boxy desgins have a certain charm to them, but animation technology and capabilities has improved a lot since the 80s, so there can definetly be more detail to their looks and less stiff movements
A homophobic point. While they already have been casually homophobic beforehand
ye but there charm is era based. there cool if you set it in the 80s and stuff but if your moving it on a few angles help a lot.
Itâs not wrong to call homophobia out for what it is
your yet to give an example
as we've covered mate. it's not
Again, you donât need to ping me every response
apologies im just used to it
If anything 80s/90s mecha anime is pretty cool, and they were able to do a lot of stuff despite limitations (granted, I don't really watch current mecha anime)
--- but I'm pretty sure comparing anime to western animation isn't the best idea really
The point is actually backed up by one of their points in this post also. They deleted the exact post because they were rightfully getting flamed for it, but they said that they dislike Earthspark because it also has non-straight rep
also i think a lot of the charm came from the endless animation errors
I also would really not recommend animating the humans in 2d but having the robots in 3d... I know it's easier to do that but it ends up looking kinda weird in my opinion đ
You see.. there is a lore reason as to why the seekers keep changing colors.... it's actually because of megatron decreased Psyche and obsession with taking over the universe that he keeps mistaking his soliders because he doesn't care about them and sees them nothing more than man power to achieve his goal... so he doesn't keep track of them....
(Jk)
well, if we look at earth spark. I go back to my first point of a kid's show about transforming robots isn't a place for modern gender politics. Idk how he worded it but if his point was like mine thats not homophobia.
the best stuffs the scaling errors
its amazing
Why shouldnât media reflect aspects of the real world? Like how some people identify differently and have different relationships than they may see at home!
jesus u type fast
Why should all kids be exposed to, is straight relationships?
Take it to the dms
cause kids like cool cars and jokes.
When in fact showing only that is just as much a political move, a much more negative one
it think we should stop cause the admin aint happy
This is an idea I've toyed with and works well but of you ever want to do smthn like remove a metal from hound it's really off putting
I donât think crush is an admin, unless Iâm misreading one of their roles
Hey I keep getting pinged over it so I keep coming back
I'm not I just think it's stupid you're arguing geopolitics in a discord forum
And I donât think itâs stupid to discuss representation of different kinds in media
it's not it's just what lifes like for kids. no kid thinks about lgbt relationships. just how cool Optimus is. they don't need the rest rammed down there throats. Same reason you don't show murder on kids shows - they don't need it yet
i back that tbf
mb gang
Okay then why show relationships of any kind then? If kids arenât thinking of LGBTQ relationships, why would they be thinking of straight relationships?
Thereâs genuinely the same level of pushing it on kids to have a straight relationship appear as their is a gay one
cause the vast vast majority of kids have a mum and a dad and therefor seeing straight folk aint a thinker its just what they know. they just wanna play with toys not wonder what the hells going on on the show
Hounds torso is kinda funky ngl, but that's what I like abt his desgin, it doesn't look like he has a weird beer belly
Could you at the very least take this to #đ€âtf-general or #đâoff-topic . That would be much appreciated
altho mind you 'relationships' is a wacky word. saying husband and wife in a kids show is chill but going into details is weird and creepy for any combo of ppl
we'll just stop its fine
Where the hell does his rocket even go
And what about kids with parents of the same gender? They do exist, and deserve to be represented the same as any different gender relationships
I always thought if it was a fragmentation rocket it could act as engine pistons
Yeah all Iâm getting is that you think itâs somehow wrong to show two men or two women together to a kid, and not a man and a woman
I'm gonna ping you this time take it to #đâoff-topic or stop
Actually
Just stop
in such a small quantity that it's not needed on a show unless the shows about that. especially a tformers show
And then different gender relationships arenât needed either. Why need one and not the other is my point
nah it's weird to go into detalis about it
No more details than if showing a man and a woman together
having gay dads is chill u can show it. but dont bring it up like it is in that show
Chat let's focus on the op's topic, If we will. I believe we were on characters and character designs?
ye agreed
I kinda misheard and thought his name was jailbreak which was supposed to be an ironic bc he puts people into little bubbles or smth
I love trailbreaker it's not fair he hasn't been done justice since g1
He is one of my top 4 autobot picks for a new series
it's largley cause that design wont translate out with g1
just looks fat
Trailbreaker hound optimus and jazz
We have bulkhead
Imo that would work well with his personality
ye, that's true tbf
but bulkhead works given his hole bod. but trailbrakers like a dad bod
hound in aoe its a chunky belly and normal arms and legs
all that matters about transformers is that one day, a red sideswape transforms into a Lamborgini on the big screen and then i can die happliy
I feel a dad bod on trailbreaker would not only do justice for his personality but also powerscaling is abilities
ye ur right
do u think it worked on hound?
What about him
look up mdlx bee. u have exactly whats needed
Not in particular, if they leaned more into "let himself go after the war but picked up arms again" it would have been perfect
ye that works
Also I'm pretty sure it's Canon he is 20 tonnes cybertronian and 80 tonnes weapons in aoe and tlk
Or at least a well accepted theory
I think I'm starting to like ironhides character a bit more too
And tbh I find his friendship with Carly cute
A girl and her car friend who suffers from 400 million+ years worth of war ptsd đ„°đ«¶
My 3d baby boy trailbreaker
I'd probably not make the main cast too big so the storytelling or possible character arcs aren't hard to keep track of
Side characters or one off villains don't sound too bad but there also shouldn't be too many of them, and they should be used in a way that drives the story forward instead of being like "omg guys [#] from the [#] continuity is also here!!"
Quality over quantity you know
Makes sense
One of my favorite parts of g1 is the dialouge
It's just so fun, but it fits the 80s era more
For a mordern version, I'd probably just make it sound more organic instead of certain lines sounding like a string of exclamations, or not have some of the voice actors very ovbiously sound like they are reading off of a script
Hes so sillu
Why are his knees red
Is it because of the knee surgery
And also here is a question
Do you prefer soundwave being able to speak or not?
Personally I don't really mind either
Tbh I think one thing that should really be thought of for this forum is a guideline as to what exactly would make a series like G1
Because truthfully you could knock off any number of ideas and theyâd just sound like a new show
But what aspects are considered essential to G1 to keep up with that style and make it a true reboot, and not just another TF show?
I think it's the simplicity
Megatron is an evil selfish guy who only cares about his goal of taking over the universe
Optimus prime is a kind and wise leader who cares for his comrades and the inhabitants of earth
It's a Saturday morning cartoon, it's silly, it's cool, it's charming and you learn something from it
Tbf all TF shows have them in those two roles practically lol
Like there should be some elements that are considered necessary for rewriting G1 and it stays G1
I think I should go to bed
Yes but shows like tf prime and other media like tf one show him as redeemable and g1 didn't have that
Like thereâs been some talk about a shrunken cast, but I think that there being so many Bots and Cons randomly is one of those things that makes G1, G1
I think it is a g1 hallmark, but it was mismanaged, complicated, and idk if it would be as profitable modern day
In theory there is a good balance between tfp and g1 in terms of cast
Now if you wanna make it as profitable as it was then, thatâs kind of impossible to map out with just some people on discord lol
I donât wanna write out guidelines or anything for what I think should be done to ensure itâs G1 and not like some other series, but I will say one thing
I think that a good starting point is always the Ark and Nemesis crashing on Earth and then waking up. That is the base concept of the conflict in the G1 cartoon and I think to remove that aspect immediately kinda takes it from a concept different from what we know as G1
Indeed. But perhaps not happy with you
Not every child is going to understand it, but they donât have to. You think children understand marriage in general? Or even the concept of dating? They arenât thinking about how sally has 2 dads theyâre thinking about giant robots, and maybe in the future when theyâre old enough they wonât see a marriage between same gender couples as such an anomaly and treat them with respect. Thatâs the idea behind something like that, not that theyâre immediately going to think about the nature of a relationship like that
And how that applies to them
Thats why I asked what he meant, he didn't answer
I'm religious but transformers literally can't reproduce, so I don't care lgbtq romances
Even if they were humans, who cares? Does that reeeally effect the story? Does it matter in the grand scheme of things?
Moving on
He basically just wants g1 to be bayverse 2.0 with less humans
Then get over it
Then here is my answer: If you dont care about lgbtq romances,then why do you keep asking whatever im homophobic about it? (and whats even bad about it? its just a phobia/fear)
I added the romance thing just because that seems like a trend or smth.
And about bayverse 2.0...not necesarlly. Yes,I like the Bayverse type of mechanic(until Aoe and Tlk,I have a limit) but with more characters(such like Maximals,etc), more seasons for all of the action to proppelly happen,and "keep the goats alive" and by that I mean to keep Optimus alive for example
Uh... No comment
Also my dear religious brother, I find it funny that,every time I say smth,6 or 7 of you guys have to somehow almost instatlly appear and jump me for it,only for them to lose the argument and call me homophobic, thinking that it will probablly scare me.
We aren't calling you homophobic to "scare" you, we're calling you homophobic because it's 2025, not 1967. Are you okay? You seem overly aggressive right now.
Lets drop it and let the mods sort this out
I'm just trying to help him
Whatâs bad about fearing LGBTQ people is that theyâre not something to be feared. Theyâre normal people and their relationships are nearly the same as straight relationships have been for decades. Itâs bad because being afraid of them and not wanting to show them feeds the issue of how theyâve been underrepresented and mistreated because people donât know enough about them
Iâve already banned one person in this thread over this topic in relation to the subject. There isnât any issue with LGBTQ representation in media and to suggest that it isnât needed is being directly contradictory to something thatâs a base line. There is no real agenda behind that topic, itâs just depicting a relationship that happens in the real world. So if I see that anti-lgbtq rhetoric again itâll just be a ban
Also for the record, Iâm catholic, but the lord said to love thy neighbor. He didnât add stipulations or conditions to that love and to use his word to justify the opposite is blasphemy
If i were to reboot G1, Iâd lean a bit heavier into the tone of the G1 movie. One of the few changes I would make is to put a greater emphasis on the human ensemble cast, sort of akin to what prime did, mostly because transformers NEEDS human surrogates for the audience to relate to, especially when a lot of the bots are all lacking in the personality department. That being said, I would put a greater emphasis on fleshing out the cybertronian cast to make them all relatable as well. The animation would either be done by Sunrise, Khara, Production I.G., or Trigger. The show would still be targeted at a family audience but still will not shy away from eliminating main characters from the story as it progresses (including human audience surrogates as well).
The plot would be a combination between the movie and the show with a little bit of Armada sprinkled in, with the transformers arriving to earth, Autobots fighting to stop the Decepticons, both factions finding out about Unicron, and both Autobots and Decepticons trying to work together to stop Unicron, who in this version, doesnât speak much until he wakes up. It isnât that he canât but he is unaware of what is happening around him because, as he is in his planet form, heâs kind of on autopilot, eating planets to keep himself alive. Heâs sentient and highly intelligent as heâs sort of a god but he is in a vulnerable state as Primus sealed him away in a planet roaming the nebulas for an eternity. It isnât until Megatron learns about Unicron that Unicron is awoken when Megatron arrogantly tries to awaken him to do his bidding, which backfires on him as Unicron rips him to atoms and reformats him into Galvatron, forcing him to become one of his legion. When the Decepticons learn about Megatronâs disappearance, their ranks fall into disarray as nobody can agree on who is in charge from that point forward. Some Decepticons realize that their only shot at survival is to team up with the Autobots to destroy Unicron, while the other dissidents blindly flock to Galvatronâs aide, not realizing that he is being used as an instrument of Unicron. I would really play into the lovecraftian horror of an entity just kind of drifting through space, devouring anything and anyone who gets in its way. Unicron is just sort of an inevitability in this version.
Another major change I would make is that instead of Hot Rod giving Megatron an opening, leading to Optimus Primeâs demise, in this version, Optimus Prime fights Galvatron one on one and loses. Before he dies, the Matrix of Leadership chooses Primeâs successor who turns out to be a young, naive Hot Rod, who spends the rest of the series learning to be a good leader and rise to the occasion.