#If you were hired to write a Transformers G1 reboot, What changes would you make?

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outer lynx
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Make it more Bayverse like

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And by that I mean:
-more fights
-more brutal kills
-A more violent and wise Optimus(So Bayverse Optimus Prime is not alone)
-Same with Megatron
-As less human characters as possible(cuz why not?)
-Keep "the goats" alive as much as possible during and after the G1 movie
-possibly add some tf osts to some final battles/cool fights/etc so there is more tension. This includes "The touch" ost.
-Ocasional Male-female only romance (other kinds of romances will result in a less cool series)
-No Earthspark kind of stuff (same reason as the up one)
-Great one liners and speaches
-No plot armor
-ocasional jokes to detensionate the atmosfear in some ocasions (ex: Bayverse)
-Maybe add another season before the first G1 season,that would take place in the era of the Primes,making up the lore and conecting itself with the actual G1 series.
-HD textures fr
-Interconecting it with beast wars like in Wfo series.
-Add more seasons/make the seasons last longer in order for the action to happen.
-Add characters from all continuites as much as possible.

wraith oasis
outer lynx
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high galleon
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Really if I had to make a g1 remake in 2024 aimed to the current transformers fandom, the really big change that would be needed would be making it more adult oriented, a la tfp and bayverse

high galleon
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Also alot less characters at one time

urban mortar
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Like, how many main characters and how many side characters

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Also, The "no plot armor" and "keep the goats alive as much as possible" doesn't make much sense.

wraith oasis
high galleon
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high galleon
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Prime was pg 13 and I think that's 1 of 2 examples of what tf shows shoot for, maybe toning down some of the darker episodes like the one with the death of tailgate. The other option is making it a 5+ show like rescue bots

shrewd minnow
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Everything

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G1 sucks

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Except for (most) of the designs

urban mortar
# high galleon Prime was pg 13 and I think that's 1 of 2 examples of what tf shows shoot for, m...

It all really depends on ideas and how certain themes are executed. You can still be lighthearted while also being mature, or at times some what graphic (an example would be Adventure Time)

I do think a transformers show aimed at an older audience would be really good. However, from the indistury side of things, I have a feeling that hasbro will cancel that after 3 seasons if it doesn't make enough dabloons

austere orchid
terse vale
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I mean I’d argue that trying to make it more like Bayverse only brings in the problems of the Bayverse(mostly the kind of jokes), but again thats not really a problem compared to the homophobia

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Also, if you’re trying for less humans in the show, then why try and make only male-female romances? Given the bad ratio of male to female bots usually, it means that female bots would end up more forced into the role of love interest

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With less humans in the series, then there should be less of an idea of human genders and how those genders have romances to influence them. Even with human influence, given the make/female bot ratio, there was already likely plenty of MLM bot romance since there wasn’t an idea of a gender division

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So, even without the homophobia, bots having more straight relationships than queer ones doesn’t make sense

high galleon
terse vale
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Oh yeah, and it’s not the first time with this user either

wraith oasis
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If you were hired to write a Transformers G1 reboot, What changes would you make?

urban mortar
# terse vale So, even without the homophobia, bots having more straight relationships than qu...

That and... they are robots, they don't reproduce like humans. One of the reasons why same gender couples are discriminated against is because they "can't produce a child" and "it's against nature"
Why would robots from space, who are not from earth, who don't really need to worry about that stuff be limited to hetero relationships?

That does bring up the argument of "then why are there male and female transformers in the first place?", but like I said, they are robots, I feel like it would be more of a classification/label of the robots' models

(Thx for calling them out btw, I noticed that too but I felt like it would start an argument :( )

terse vale
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Truthfully, the cybertronians aren’t even male and female. The species is mono-gendered as far as we know

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The only gendering they have would realistically come from their experiences on earth with our genders and deciding which one fits them, or more realistically, how humans would be the ones to gender them or assume that they have a gender based on how they look

urban mortar
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That does make sense.

There is an argument to be made about that "if they have no gender why do they use gendered pronouns when referring to eachother"
But yk... they are alien robots that turn into cars and shit why can they talk English in the first place if they have never seen earth?

terse vale
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There’s probably a lot of cons who are ungendered simply because they don’t care enough for how humans think of themselves and their genders

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Just an unwillingness to engage in small parts of human ways to identify yourself

urban mortar
terse vale
urban mortar
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Yea

terse vale
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Plus as I said, them going by what they’re closest to by human standards

urban mortar
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Also "less cool series" XD?

Stuff like that usually depend on the execution of the idea at hand. Same can also be said for hetero relationships too

terse vale
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Yeah romance in general is just easy to mishandle and have it take away from a series lol

urban mortar
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SAMURAI JACK COUGHS LOUDLY

terse vale
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Only reason it’s harder for LGBTQ relationships is because they’re inherently under a lot more pressure and attention nowadays

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Get judged so much more and held up to higher standards because people want to scrutinize more

high galleon
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Hot take but

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Maybe romance shouldn't be the main focus abt a series of robots from outer space that turn into machines and blast scrap

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Like whatsoever

urban mortar
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I think we've strayed a bit too far from op's topic tho

high galleon
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terse vale
high galleon
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Then that's people's problem not mine

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But anyways

urban mortar
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Back on the original topic, I think what makes G1 disliked is likely the inconsistencies. So I'd try to fix those

high galleon
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Other than not being homophobic like the first person who responded to this post, what do you guys think would go into a good tf series

urban mortar
high galleon
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My one major gripe with g1 and this is my only one

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Is they didn't show slingshot with the gold car bumper on his chest after that episode

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Continuity should be a big focus

urban mortar
# urban mortar Back on the original topic, I think what makes G1 disliked is likely the inconsi...

Things such as

some characters appearing and disappearing out of nowhere

deceptions being able to turn into Jets despite flying regardless

giving the bots random abilities out of no where and then never mentioning it again (like megs shooting lazers out of his eyes and prime being able to lift up a ship despite having trouble lifting up a peice of metal to save sparkplug and spike)

Huge bots turning into small objects... I mean it bothered me at first but now ig it's just kinda silly. Megatron turning into a gun is just not it tho, pretty anticlimactic for a deception leader. I feel like a tank would be more fitting

high galleon
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All great points

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How would we do Characters. G1 esque where there's 80 million and they all get a spotlight or more of a mainstay 6-7?

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I'd prefer a mainstay 6 or 7 but it's not all my decision

urban mortar
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Ig there could be side characters, but I'd rather not have to kill some fellas off or "send them to a nice vacation on cybertron" if the toy sales aren't doing so hot

high galleon
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Yea that's what I thought g1 kinda hit an 89 degree angle on the killcount after the movie

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Hot take 2 bumblebee does not need to be in this theoretical show

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It is time for him to step down

white apex
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Discussing complex gender shit about badass alien robots screams unemployment.

white apex
urban mortar
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high galleon
terse vale
urban mortar
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I wonder why he's almost nowhere to be seen, is it a legal issue? Or do they just not want a second yellow character

high galleon
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And that's sad

terse vale
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I will say that if you want the series to still sorta be “G1”, then I think there are a few wackier aspects you need to kinda keep with to maintain its status as G1. Take too many liberties and it’s just another show

white apex
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high galleon
white apex
high galleon
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Obviously we all like tf

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So could we not argue about it?

urban mortar
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Yeaa... I'd probably say we should just move on

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Or take it to somewhere else so it can be settled properly

white apex
terse vale
white apex
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white apex
terse vale
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But that was a part of the story

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And things can absolutely be two things

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The series purpose was to sell toys. But the narratives undoubtedly have aspects that are political

white apex
high galleon
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I DONT WANNA HEAR ANY ARGUEMENTS BELOW THIS LINE. IF YOU ALL CARE TO THE POINT OF DEFENDING THE GEOPOLOTICS OF ALIEN ROBOTS THAT TRANSFORM INTO COOL THINGS AND BLAST OTHER THINGS INTO SCRAP TAKE IT TO DMS THIS IS SILLY

white apex
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mb

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sent before seen

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literally same time

high galleon
terse vale
white apex
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also whats he said before?

terse vale
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You don’t need to ping me for every response btw

white apex
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how do u not

urban mortar
# high galleon I DONT WANNA HEAR ANY ARGUEMENTS BELOW THIS LINE. IF YOU ALL CARE TO THE POINT O...

... I guess I'll continue

I'd probably try to enhance the character desgin by visual storytelling. Like ironhide having scars or scratches, or maybe a medal or two to show that he's been at this for a while

Or how a character like sunstreaker and sideswipe updating their vehicle modes from time to time to be hip/fit into human trends and stuff or be cool

How has jazz not caused spike and sparkplug tinnitus at this point

terse vale
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And until they return to respond to our points about what they said earlier, that’s all we have to go off of for their stance

white apex
urban mortar
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terse vale
white apex
terse vale
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It’s not wrong to call homophobia out for what it is

white apex
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terse vale
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Again, you don’t need to ping me every response

white apex
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apologies im just used to it

urban mortar
terse vale
# white apex your yet to give an example

The point is actually backed up by one of their points in this post also. They deleted the exact post because they were rightfully getting flamed for it, but they said that they dislike Earthspark because it also has non-straight rep

white apex
urban mortar
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# white apex also i think a lot of the charm came from the endless animation errors

You see.. there is a lore reason as to why the seekers keep changing colors.... it's actually because of megatron decreased Psyche and obsession with taking over the universe that he keeps mistaking his soliders because he doesn't care about them and sees them nothing more than man power to achieve his goal... so he doesn't keep track of them....

(Jk)

white apex
white apex
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its amazing

terse vale
white apex
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jesus u type fast

terse vale
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Why should all kids be exposed to, is straight relationships?

white apex
terse vale
white apex
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it think we should stop cause the admin aint happy

high galleon
terse vale
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terse vale
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And I don’t think it’s stupid to discuss representation of different kinds in media

white apex
terse vale
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There’s genuinely the same level of pushing it on kids to have a straight relationship appear as their is a gay one

white apex
urban mortar
high galleon
white apex
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altho mind you 'relationships' is a wacky word. saying husband and wife in a kids show is chill but going into details is weird and creepy for any combo of ppl

urban mortar
terse vale
high galleon
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high galleon
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Actually

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Just stop

white apex
terse vale
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terse vale
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No more details than if showing a man and a woman together

white apex
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having gay dads is chill u can show it. but dont bring it up like it is in that show

high galleon
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Chat let's focus on the op's topic, If we will. I believe we were on characters and character designs?

white apex
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ye agreed

urban mortar
high galleon
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He is one of my top 4 autobot picks for a new series

white apex
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just looks fat

high galleon
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Trailbreaker hound optimus and jazz

urban mortar
high galleon
white apex
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but bulkhead works given his hole bod. but trailbrakers like a dad bod

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hound in aoe its a chunky belly and normal arms and legs

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all that matters about transformers is that one day, a red sideswape transforms into a Lamborgini on the big screen and then i can die happliy

high galleon
white apex
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do u think it worked on hound?

urban mortar
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What about him

white apex
high galleon
white apex
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ye that works

high galleon
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Also I'm pretty sure it's Canon he is 20 tonnes cybertronian and 80 tonnes weapons in aoe and tlk

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Or at least a well accepted theory

urban mortar
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I think I'm starting to like ironhides character a bit more too

urban mortar
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A girl and her car friend who suffers from 400 million+ years worth of war ptsd đŸ„°đŸ«¶

high galleon
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My 3d baby boy trailbreaker

urban mortar
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I'd probably not make the main cast too big so the storytelling or possible character arcs aren't hard to keep track of
Side characters or one off villains don't sound too bad but there also shouldn't be too many of them, and they should be used in a way that drives the story forward instead of being like "omg guys [#] from the [#] continuity is also here!!"
Quality over quantity you know

high galleon
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Makes sense

urban mortar
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One of my favorite parts of g1 is the dialouge
It's just so fun, but it fits the 80s era more

For a mordern version, I'd probably just make it sound more organic instead of certain lines sounding like a string of exclamations, or not have some of the voice actors very ovbiously sound like they are reading off of a script

urban mortar
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Why are his knees red

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Is it because of the knee surgery

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And also here is a question

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Do you prefer soundwave being able to speak or not?

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Personally I don't really mind either

terse vale
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Tbh I think one thing that should really be thought of for this forum is a guideline as to what exactly would make a series like G1

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Because truthfully you could knock off any number of ideas and they’d just sound like a new show

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But what aspects are considered essential to G1 to keep up with that style and make it a true reboot, and not just another TF show?

urban mortar
terse vale
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Tbf all TF shows have them in those two roles practically lol

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Like there should be some elements that are considered necessary for rewriting G1 and it stays G1

urban mortar
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I think I should go to bed

high galleon
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Yes but shows like tf prime and other media like tf one show him as redeemable and g1 didn't have that

terse vale
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Like there’s been some talk about a shrunken cast, but I think that there being so many Bots and Cons randomly is one of those things that makes G1, G1

high galleon
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I think it is a g1 hallmark, but it was mismanaged, complicated, and idk if it would be as profitable modern day

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In theory there is a good balance between tfp and g1 in terms of cast

terse vale
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Now if you wanna make it as profitable as it was then, that’s kind of impossible to map out with just some people on discord lol

terse vale
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I don’t wanna write out guidelines or anything for what I think should be done to ensure it’s G1 and not like some other series, but I will say one thing

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I think that a good starting point is always the Ark and Nemesis crashing on Earth and then waking up. That is the base concept of the conflict in the G1 cartoon and I think to remove that aspect immediately kinda takes it from a concept different from what we know as G1

gleaming path
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Not every child is going to understand it, but they don’t have to. You think children understand marriage in general? Or even the concept of dating? They aren’t thinking about how sally has 2 dads they’re thinking about giant robots, and maybe in the future when they’re old enough they won’t see a marriage between same gender couples as such an anomaly and treat them with respect. That’s the idea behind something like that, not that they’re immediately going to think about the nature of a relationship like that

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And how that applies to them

austere orchid
outer lynx
# austere orchid Thats why I asked what he meant, he didn't answer I'm religious but transformers...

Then here is my answer: If you dont care about lgbtq romances,then why do you keep asking whatever im homophobic about it? (and whats even bad about it? its just a phobia/fear)

I added the romance thing just because that seems like a trend or smth.

And about bayverse 2.0...not necesarlly. Yes,I like the Bayverse type of mechanic(until Aoe and Tlk,I have a limit) but with more characters(such like Maximals,etc), more seasons for all of the action to proppelly happen,and "keep the goats alive" and by that I mean to keep Optimus alive for example

outer lynx
high galleon
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We aren't calling you homophobic to "scare" you, we're calling you homophobic because it's 2025, not 1967. Are you okay? You seem overly aggressive right now.

austere orchid
high galleon
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I'm just trying to help him

terse vale
# outer lynx Then here is my answer: If you dont care about lgbtq romances,then why do you ke...

What’s bad about fearing LGBTQ people is that they’re not something to be feared. They’re normal people and their relationships are nearly the same as straight relationships have been for decades. It’s bad because being afraid of them and not wanting to show them feeds the issue of how they’ve been underrepresented and mistreated because people don’t know enough about them

gleaming path
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I’ve already banned one person in this thread over this topic in relation to the subject. There isn’t any issue with LGBTQ representation in media and to suggest that it isn’t needed is being directly contradictory to something that’s a base line. There is no real agenda behind that topic, it’s just depicting a relationship that happens in the real world. So if I see that anti-lgbtq rhetoric again it’ll just be a ban

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Also for the record, I’m catholic, but the lord said to love thy neighbor. He didn’t add stipulations or conditions to that love and to use his word to justify the opposite is blasphemy

floral arrow
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If i were to reboot G1, I’d lean a bit heavier into the tone of the G1 movie. One of the few changes I would make is to put a greater emphasis on the human ensemble cast, sort of akin to what prime did, mostly because transformers NEEDS human surrogates for the audience to relate to, especially when a lot of the bots are all lacking in the personality department. That being said, I would put a greater emphasis on fleshing out the cybertronian cast to make them all relatable as well. The animation would either be done by Sunrise, Khara, Production I.G., or Trigger. The show would still be targeted at a family audience but still will not shy away from eliminating main characters from the story as it progresses (including human audience surrogates as well).

The plot would be a combination between the movie and the show with a little bit of Armada sprinkled in, with the transformers arriving to earth, Autobots fighting to stop the Decepticons, both factions finding out about Unicron, and both Autobots and Decepticons trying to work together to stop Unicron, who in this version, doesn’t speak much until he wakes up. It isn’t that he can’t but he is unaware of what is happening around him because, as he is in his planet form, he’s kind of on autopilot, eating planets to keep himself alive. He’s sentient and highly intelligent as he’s sort of a god but he is in a vulnerable state as Primus sealed him away in a planet roaming the nebulas for an eternity. It isn’t until Megatron learns about Unicron that Unicron is awoken when Megatron arrogantly tries to awaken him to do his bidding, which backfires on him as Unicron rips him to atoms and reformats him into Galvatron, forcing him to become one of his legion. When the Decepticons learn about Megatron’s disappearance, their ranks fall into disarray as nobody can agree on who is in charge from that point forward. Some Decepticons realize that their only shot at survival is to team up with the Autobots to destroy Unicron, while the other dissidents blindly flock to Galvatron’s aide, not realizing that he is being used as an instrument of Unicron. I would really play into the lovecraftian horror of an entity just kind of drifting through space, devouring anything and anyone who gets in its way. Unicron is just sort of an inevitability in this version.

Another major change I would make is that instead of Hot Rod giving Megatron an opening, leading to Optimus Prime’s demise, in this version, Optimus Prime fights Galvatron one on one and loses. Before he dies, the Matrix of Leadership chooses Prime’s successor who turns out to be a young, naive Hot Rod, who spends the rest of the series learning to be a good leader and rise to the occasion.

visual fulcrum
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Honestly, I'd just a series of the skybound comics

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They feel like if G1 was written today

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And make kirkman the showrunner