Is our CoC too rigid for a 70k+ player base? A constructive discussion

[pine warren]

one, i copy pasted your own words, unusual and different moderation
two, we all told you what should be done multiple times, yet you refuse to accept the promt's solution
three, you're repeating what you already wrote in the first two paragraphs and what you have been repeating for so long

I'll answer that for them before you get the next answer ready, we're not moderators and we can only explain how the concept works, we have no right to rewrite the coc as if was a widget

Nobody here knows what the majority of the mods thinks it's an exception, because it was never explained, so we cannot list it

[red rune]

yay, im here before the mods delete this

[pine warren]

And I said majority explicitly, because there's no consensus among them either

And before somebody says it, just don't be a dick lol is not an assurance against a vague coc that can be interpreted differently by different people at any time in any edge case possible however weird and exotic it may be

Everyone here is proving the point that everyone has their own personal view of the coc

[fervent ingot]

I'm ignoring the first message, because while I'm sure it's in good faith, I don't think we're getting anywhere on that line of discussion. I don't believe I've explained myself well, and I don't believe you've understood me well. I'm leaving that there and I apologise for our miscommunications.

we're not moderators and we can only explain how the concept works, we have no right to rewrite the coc as if was a widget

You don't have to be a moderator to have a stab at writing how the CoC should look? Especially when you're suggesting a change to the CoC?

[pine warren]

i can't physically list the exemptions that only the majority of the mods may agree on not moderating in x edge cases

[fervent ingot]

But you can list one, or two, or whatever might be reasonable as an example of change that you want to happen?

If you don't want to, that's absolutely fine, but I asked the other person to give me an example and it's kinda weird that you've jumped in there saying, "we have no right to rewrite the coc as if it were a widget' o.o

[pine warren]

the change i want to happen is the mods listing any exemptions if they exist, because as is, everything is up to anybody's personal views
if you ask me? modded and pve lobbies shouldn't be exempted

[fervent ingot]

I'm down for that.
Amojini was talking earlier about reference-cases used for unclear moderation decisions, as a kind of 'case law', and one of the ideas I had reading that was that these should be highlighted as examples directly on the website.

[pine warren]

https://tenor.com/view/mgrr-mgr-mgr-raiden-handshake-hug-gif-25122328

[celest swallow]

Lol. We give it in the welcome message, when the game starts, and again at around 5-7 mins when upgrading to T3 mex are relevant, sometimes more later. People still often don't notice with all that but at which point we tried our best to improve the enjoyment of those players and give up.

[fervent ingot]

...I still don't think that's moderatable or would be moderated, reasonably and realistically...

Another suggestion I have is for each CoC subsection/point to have an 'Examples' expandable dropdown, which is maybe 2-3 brief, paragraph-long case studies of different examples of how that specific code was breached?

[celest swallow]

Also cases like the nuke, we have nuke turned on and no anti nuke but it costs 15 million metal. If a player with a small eco starts nuke at 20 mins they will realistically never be able to finish it and will spend the rest of the game with 0 metal income. So I will directly tell the player to stop, as spectator, because to me that's a case where they misunderstood the mod changes to their detriment.

[fervent ingot]

Something like that sounds more to me like coaching-adjacent... Tricky. But if your lobby is Unranked, I don't think that would be moderated at all, even if the CoC doesn't have that direct distinction (but I do think it indirectly does make reasonablenesss distinctions)

[safe echo]

How would you like to adjust the phrasing of the current CoC to cover your theoretical cases? Please provide an example.

[little briar]

hypothetically (and not saying that this is bulletproof or the correct way to change it; just a rough starting point):

• “spectator advice in pve games, especially modded games, is acceptable as long as the spectators ask current players if they can give advice and no one says no”

[muted ibex]

The point is people want it to be bulletproof

As an exercise for the readers, post the full breakdown of legal and extralegal consequences of borrowing a pencil without asking in your jurisdiction. Then find 10 holes in it, I guarantee there will be. Then remember those things were written by qualified paid professionals.

I'm sure finding this information to begin with will be effortless, as it ought to be

[little briar]

as an intentionally vague amendment it could be reduced to:

• “we are more lenient about reasonably limited spectator advice in pve games”

[safe cove]

"Borrow without asking", that's a contradiction, clearly that's stealing and worthy of death penalty. If you let the small infractions slide, you're doomed. Best to eliminate the thieves early before they escalate to borrowing an eraser without asking.

[muted ibex]

To what end? We are reasonably lenient when reasonable, as a whole. So are the rules in general. Someone with anxiety over borrowing a pencil will not be helped here, and that's assuming good faith on their part.

[safe cove]

In the case of modded lobbies, it's generally best to just give the reminders at the beginning of the game before it's consequential, equivalent to telling people the important rules at the start of the game, and fair to all and not revealing any information about what a side is doing. Beyond that you can just let them figure it out themselves or let their teammate remind them.

[pine warren]

I don't have any beef with anybody from moderation, i actually like everyone from it
What I have said here is solely and purely directed to the blanket coc and my worries over how a moderation action can have different results depending on interpretations
With bar having a public log of moderations, which i have no problem with, i too would like the moderation logs to expire after an x amount of time as some others pointed out (and more context about each moderation enacted if possible where available)
I understand the viewpoint of both sides, but there isn't an easy laid path to a just solution that would make everyone magically happy
A feeling of unfairness is warranted as the system is right now and the suggestions made so far, while they can certainly improve it without a shadow of doubt, I am not sure if we found a solution good enough for both sides to be happy with

[celest swallow]

"rules may be more lax in casual and modded lobbies compared to ranked and especially competitive, but deliberate actions to the detriment of other players can and will be punished.

If it is reasonable that your peers would find the behaviour acceptable (ie, other players who engage in the same game mode) then moderation should not occur, and if they would find your behaviour problematic it should be. This applies to any level of "serious" or "casual" lobby, the player defined boundaries will naturally be different between these lobbies.

If you believe a moderation decision was unreasonable based specifically on this clause state that within the appeal."

[celest swallow]

Again, examples could be useful. Me in a modded lobby doing a mex reminder is fine.

Me in the same game saying "bombing run incoming" should be moderated.

A note, this should apply to gameplay affecting stuff, like spectator and all chat, and like griefing etc. like if a player on a team that has won by a mile (like the troops marching have already wiped the base and are just hunting for commanders or waiting for a resign vote) decides they want to see the base explosion at the end of the game and suicides their epic fusions? Totally ok imo, I think other people in modded lava think the same here.

But stuff like communication that goes against stuff like racism/sexism rules and such it won't apply to, that should be consistent across all lobbies anyway

[queen depot]

I just woke up and read nightslayers example and that one really irks me somehow.

If the rule is "Mexes are first come first take and you cant take yours back, because mexes are not per se assigned to a player" then why did he get a warning for taking a mex?

Strict interpretation of rules is fine and so is common sense leeway. But i feel like here leeway was taken and i dont see the common sense and its to the disadvantage of nightfall so he is rightfully annoyed.

Or was there a rule being broken if so which? (Sorry for derailing whatever the current conversation is, i missed a few hours)

[vocal sparrow]

Penis liberation movement when

[muted ibex]

Or was there a rule being broken if so which?
Good thing the moderation bot is public

[queen depot]

Okay. Wtf is "Baiting" in this context?

[muted ibex]

Can't provide more information than is in the bot, but should be clear enough from context

[celest swallow]

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[queen depot]

Okay, let me ask with a completely different unrelated example.

If i take a single mex outside my lane that is not a starting mex of a player, does that get me moderated?
If i retake a mex in my lane that is not a starting mex, do i get moderated?
My assumption would be no and yes.

If i take a starting mex of a player does that get me moderated?
If i retake a starting mex do i get moderated?
My assumption would be yes and no.

Is that interpretation correct?

[muted ibex]

with enough effort you can contrive scenarios where the answers would be the opposite. That's why we don't answer hypotheticals

I'm sure you have an image of what you mean in your mind, but think instead of everything that can possibly fall under those descriptions

[celest swallow]

Moderations should be based on a standard of "would your peers in the same lobby consider the behaviours ok or not" so the standard for moderation changes based on the lobby. If people disagree with a moderator decision then community support to overturn the infraction should be considered seriously, and ongoing precedent in similar cases that happen in future would then change.

[muted ibex]

if you got reported, a peer in your lobby considered whatever you were doing not ok

[queen depot]

It would be nice if you had some hypotheticals or examples that clear it up. I am sure you understand my question.

Just from reading nightslayers take it sounds like he took some random mex and suddenly got moderated. Which makes no sense to me. You dont have to explain that particular case, i am sure you can come up with two examples where such moderation is warranted and where it is not warranted that would make sense to me.

Or you can just tell me that i am missing context.

[muted ibex]

and it would be nice if someone went through the borrowed pencil exercise, but alas

you are missing context, you actually don;t have any context other than whatever the offender chose to present

[celest swallow]

One player, among many peers. It's not like someone would report for reasons that are out of spite and such... That would never happen

Moderating game modes when the consensus might be different because you want a strict ruleset is not ok.

Aren't you literally ignoring the 32 people who support this thread, why is one voice suddenly enough?

[muted ibex]

There are tens of thousands of people who play BAR. A significant amount of them, I reckon, would prefer not to have dicks plastered all over the place if given the choice.
They also somehow manage to not only obey the rules, but to follow them without needing explicit personal clarifications and amendments for what they are personally doing.

[celest swallow]

I'm not talking about the dick thing. I specified on my amendment that I only mean the gameplay affecting stuff

[glacial cape]

Somewhere at the beginning of this thread, there was the famous example "what if i open with 10 aircons and send them taking everyone's metal spots"

Or another example, also mentioned twice in different forms, where a player that starts closer to enemy, chooses to prioritize expanding towards his backline teammate, instead of forward

Would you also be totally fine with that?

For the second example, what if he's not just expanding backwards, but literally ignores the metal spots closest to him, and prioritizes the ones quite far away from him, but obviously closer to you?

The blanket rule is that map resources are first come first serve.
That doesn't means there cannot possibly be moderatable examples of bad-faith behaviour related to that, if one tries hard enough to annoy their teammates.

[queen depot]

Thank you for the explanation.

[celest swallow]

Also what about a Lobby declaring that they will play with no commie, in title, welcome message and announced at the start of the game.

If two players then proceed to commie heavily, beyond reasonable doubt, does that ruin a game more or less than one mex going to a different player (which can apparently get moderated)? Because I think that harm the game state way more and I would consider that griefing.

Once again, based on the "opinion of peers in the same lobby" then someone breaking that agreement is moderatable, which I agree with and would prefer to be written into the CoC.

Right now someone said a "teaching" lobby (labelled as such) can get around spec cheating rules. So surely agreements like this might also count for enforcement?

What if you made a lobby with the title "spec cheating encouraged".

The zero tolerance CoC would say to punish and to do so heavily?

I know people keep arguing against my statements by saying things are hypothetical but the game is expanding, people do all sorts of different game modes, and as stated multiple times I am already breaking the CoC as written in most games I play when doing modded lava, so there's already precedent for this, simply no reports have been made.

I think the CoC not mentioning the leniency that moderators may give is a flaw that should be remedied. To expand on this I think the standard for moderation should be based on the environment and what is considered acceptable among peers (for gameplay related offences). One report is one person that considers it a problem, but that may not be the majority opinion and if you always take the harshest stance it definitely opens moderation up to abuse.

[atomic bloom]

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[dawn chasm]

~~ Not helpful :P ~~
And I misinterpreted this gif, yaaa!
-# I need sleep

[atomic bloom]

Thank you all for my morning wake up … instead of brain rot I read this chat … I feel more rotted than normal but atleast @fervent ingot seemed to apply logic holy moly that was some reading

[atomic bloom]

🙁 meany

[vocal sparrow]

8====D morning dicklovers

[safe echo]

thats discriminating to other timezones check your privilege.

Back on topic: What if you made a lobby called "Only join if you want to talk politics" and then have a lively debate inside there? I think that should be allowed and in any case, explicity clarified in the CoC.

[waxen basin]

this almost goes back too one of the points above somewhere of tags on lobbys or warnings lables

[hallow pivot]

Im just glad we are all here together. Brought together by our CoC and Duffy drawing a willy

[waxen basin]

the power of cocks

[safe echo]

invest early this might become the next coop is a problem thread

[tired tundra]

rocket leauge op

I say remove all cocks

[spark carbon]

I've bought stock already

[celest swallow]

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Already hinted to it lol

[earnest void]

Trust me the increase has nothing to do with mods chasing dick drawers

[earnest void]

Yes im fine with that i will just resign and join another lobby

[cold skiff]

Moderation is necessary, But i think the way they go about it can be a substantially improved. In reference to the game is growing-statistically a game that has less then 100k players in its first year is considered a flop according to industry standards. Growing and successful are 2 different things. Growth will slow may even revert as people start getting over scolded and chastised by moderation further, its just facts. We can see real life examples of un popular leadership causing catastrophic results, Just look at Rome and the roman empire why it fell etc. What we all need to figure out is how can All player types find a way to coexist in the same Lobby system and have a great gaming experience, and currently that's not possible because the CoC is designed to enforce a specific style of behavior that is only a small subset of online Gamers, ex the gamer that makes funny dick jokes with his buddy is not allowed the player who might use slurs in the words is not allowed the player who kick bans others that are annoying them is not allowed even some one that wants to have 2 accounts is not allowed i mean i can go on and on and on about the silly policies. But How do we fix it?

So how do we as passionate players of the game itself fix it? It starts with changing the Mindset in the leadership, just like Rome the Authority in the Lobby is trying to push a behavior change instead of embracing the diversity of players. You ask your self so how do we embrace this diversity, there's a few small functions that need to be added to fix these major issues 1. Behavior Scores and the ability to set the game lobbies to have minimum Behavior score requirements just like min chevs and min -max os, players who get moderated lose some of there player scores. 2. Speech instead of trying to correct the Behavior lol like trying to tell old men or feisty young bucks how to talk is a losing battle for any Mod team. You simply *** out the entire sentence if it contains language that is marked as in appropriate. 3. Players with Low behavior scores will only be able to play with like minded players

[earnest void]

Kickbaning is allowed though

[cold skiff]

many are moderated for it if enough players actually report the kicker

[earnest void]

Smurfing ruins the noob lobbies

[earnest void]

Not really coc just asks to call a vote if its in game and that sounds fair

[cold skiff]

have you been moderated from any thing yet?

I have literally been banned for being on the same team as a smurf lol and im not a smurf

[earnest void]

Problem is people get moderated for calling someone a retard when mute button exist. But we have too many gestapo lovers with super fragile ego

[earnest void]

Idk how but i never received a warning. Still smurfing makes max rated lobbies a meme

[opal nymph]

Yikes that's a take.

[cold skiff]

is he wrong?

[earnest void]

Yeah lets keep acting like we need to moderate chat when 1 button solves problem

[cold skiff]

hmm

[opal nymph]

It does not solve the problem lol

[cold skiff]

**** out there entire sentance when it has the word retard in it would work

[opal nymph]

Regarded suggestion

[earnest void]

Reported

[cold skiff]

huh?

[opal nymph]

Circumventing it is trivial

[uncut pewter]

doesn't the game warn you before you send the message if you're going to say something that may be against the code of conduct now

[earnest void]

I do get that some people can type fucked up shit but basic flaming should be solved with mute and not moderation. At least do chat bans for chat offenses

[opal nymph]

Technical limitations around chat bans means suspensions are preferred (by players)

[earnest void]

Yes i have to call my team regarded now

[earnest void]

By players sounds kinda cap, im sure some do and some dont

[cold skiff]

just think about it like this lets say i intentionally used a popular rascist slur but I worded it with exact spelling SLUR. SLUR causes entire sentance to be ***** now lets say im determined to make the SLUR show so i reword it to S-L-U-R and that shows up at that point some one can report the speech a mod adds that style of wording to the list of phrases not allowed so cant be said that way again and the player loses 100 behaviou score gaining only 10 back per a non reported game they play. And the player is muted for x time.

[uncut pewter]

intentionally circuments guardrails and rules

:shockedpikachu: when rules are enforced ??

[earnest void]

I mean if u think someone typing in all chat my team is dented or regarded should be punished just take look at my last 10 games and perma me

[opal nymph]

By and large players would rather be suspended than have game breaking limitations on them imposed by the currently supported method of chat blocking a player.

They just don't play anyway

[uncut pewter]

like cmon this isn't even something bar is super strict about, most online games will instamute you and eventually ban you for circumventing their chat rules

[earnest void]

Im not against moderation , im more against people abusing reports to punish players they dislike. I average under 1 report per year

[opal nymph]

This doesn't do anything at all to address any behavior.

[earnest void]

And i think thats a healthy amount of reporting

[high elk]

Did you think about that if you get reported often, it might be your actions in game, instead of people disliking you?

[earnest void]

Bruh unless i missed it i got 0 warnings in 3 years

[opal nymph]

This behavior was also noted to be addressed by mods earlier in this thread, by the way, so not really relevant.

[cold skiff]

I actually like "Regarded" its not against the rules and it its not actually insulting people that have actual mental handicaps.

[earnest void]

Im not talking about report spammers with 0 basis that lose report ability. I talk about people that target report because a minor coc rule was breached like in duffy case

[opal nymph]

Where's the evidence that Duffy was targeted and that it wasn't someone who eye rolled at a random immature idiot?

[earnest void]

Its a game bro u expect to play with random immature idiots, dont have to report it

[opal nymph]

It's also a warning; hardly worth losing sleep over.

[earnest void]

In life you will meet a lot of fucked up people , we dont call the cops for everything we dont like

[high elk]

punches someone on the streets
gets punished
your honor, it was only a minor punch, and it was people mass sue me and target me, because a minor law was breached slightly

[opal nymph]

You do in the case of actual breaches of law tho lol

[earnest void]

A punch isnt a correct examole

Try highscholl student doing a party while u trying to sleep.

[uncut pewter]

The difference, this isn't "life", it's a game and a hobby. We don't need to tolerate "fucked up people" here, or just plain annoying behavior like we need to irl

a better world is possible

[earnest void]

Is it so hard to mute , ignore , avoid , block

[uncut pewter]

Is it so hard to not be an ass?

[opal nymph]

Apparently

[high elk]

Well, I 100% would call the cops if someone is doing a party at night, when it's too loud.

[uncut pewter]

See if I play a game and people are all being an ass, I don't mute them, I just don't log back in

[cold skiff]

lol

[opal nymph]

We also have bylaws against this in my area.

[earnest void]

So if i go to work and people are not nice then i jump from 3 floor

[cold skiff]

I'm the opposite i log in and laugh at there word vomit.

[opal nymph]

This is known as hasty generalization btw.

[cold skiff]

hmmm you studied Physcology?

[cold skiff]

serious question

[opal nymph]

Not as a major

[safe echo]

you could also use the door

[earnest void]

Thanks for agreeing with me

[glacial cape]

If you veil the slur in an obviously recognizable way, you're just as much breaking the rules and can and will be moderated for it.
Don't make a surprised pikachu face when it catches you up.

[cold skiff]

My brother took a few classes and says similar things like that to me often. But I'm also on the spectrum neuro divergent as they call it and do not have the neurological receptors to feel deep emotion as some people do, He is on the opposite side has very sensitive emotional responses to things in life fortunately we are older and both been diagnosed and are very close but embrace our differences and get along well. Moral of the story is maybe there can be a form of embracing rather enforcing exact behaviour.

[cold skiff]

Oh I bet lol fortunately this one doesnt apply to me i generally dont chat to people in game

[fervent ingot]

Thank you so much, I tried my best 🫠 I was definitely flagging and losing ability at certain points though

[opal nymph]

I'm just pointing out why the line of thinking doesn't hold water and shouldn't be taken seriously in the discussion of reform we're having here.

[cold skiff]

it does to some though

its similar to politics man so many opinions whos' right or wrong? Every one thinks there right its the diversity of the human mind. what about a lobby Flag UnModerated?

similar to ranked or unranked, can set lobby to un moderated.

[earnest void]

Im starting to believe that if bar mods were lawmakers they would be chopping hands for stealing

[high elk]

No. They'd allow people to call the police if you have a party at night

[opal nymph]

Wouldn't be your hand

[weary shell]

Don't mind panos about that... It's a statewide problem of the law not being enforced...

[cold skiff]

Allow lol? holy crap its deeply in grained in you my friend.

[high elk]

Just bringing back up the example from panos earlier ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[cold skiff]

i know

[high elk]

I am of the opinion that your freedom ends where my personal space begins, and same for the opposite. So, you having a party at night, keeping me up is 100% invading my personal space. If you are of the opinion, you can ignore my personal space, that's a you issue

[earnest void]

Yeah wenjust have a different view on things , i would like to see mods advice people to solve more issues using mute, avoid, block instead of seeking punishment which i do believe happens in a revengeful manner

Mod time should be used on people saying disgusting things, dgun bases and game ruining things. Not because people cant waste 1 click of their apm

[earnest void]

Yes ik it exists lol people still get 6 months ban for just calling someone a retard

[glacial cape]

people saying disgusting things

Calling people discriminatory slurs is considered a disgusting thing

[earnest void]

No retard is just basic trashtalking

[glacial cape]

I suppose you're missing the entire point of the escalation policy.
Nobody ever "gets 6 months ban for calling someone retard".
But you can get a 6 months ban, when you are warned for it, and then suspended for it, over and over and over and over again, until you are indeed banned for 6 months.
Stop painting this type of things as if you're just doing something minor and get disproportional punishment, when in reality you're constantly being an ass for a long while, and never learn from anything less than 6 months ban.

[cold skiff]

I fully agree with your perspective on this. For the non neural typical Words and phrases get pushed in to the same Container. Allow, Enforce, Law, Regulate, Moderate, Obey, Control, Manipulate, Subjugate. All of these words correlate to each other they also cause a reaction in the human mind very different reactions for different people. Even if there not all being applied in context.

[earnest void]

Im just against moderating something 80% of playerbase does

All the drama that is created in chat from that bullshit is what makes game for me personally

[zinc anvil]

yay another to my Blocked list collection

[cold skiff]

What do you guys think of having a flag in the Lobby similar to rank/unranked to Moderated/Unmoderated, Mute Kick ban etc all still work just reporting is not tolerated, Then Moderated lobbys would be squeeky clean just restrict the offenders to non moderated lobbys if they act up in a moderated lobby.

[earnest void]

See people cant even handle different opinions

[zinc anvil]

so something like LeMans Ultimate introduced lately...

[cold skiff]

interesting

BAR needs a little Smurf icon for the smurfs

[obtuse pike]

tldr any time anyone draws a dick or makes any slightly inappropriate joke we should all just spam report people to farm moderation. gonna pad my mod bot kda and see how many bans and warning i can farm

[earnest void]

Aura farming

[cold skiff]

hows that actually gonna help though

[waxen basin]

Guys can we plz stay I'm track I would love solutions. To fix the problem. And the mods would love solutions to remove the post.

[cold skiff]

lol you want tyo be ranked by your reporting stats ? lol

[safe gyro]

Yeah it's called:

[waxen basin]

If it's a problem I'll ask for u to be removed for the health of getting shit fixed

[cold skiff]

i mean i offered many, Behaviour Scores/ AutoBlock Speach with **/ Unmoderated Option in lobby.

[cold skiff]

what are you reffering to?

[earnest void]

Isnt handling dumb issues with erase ,mute, avoid a solution instead of mod review . Current system rewards reporters too much

[cold skiff]

In would like to know how reporting is rewarded?

[obtuse pike]

they said it themselves votes in discord dont mean anything. if you want change you vote with your actions generate 4x the work for them for every little coc thing and make more people realize how dumb it is for every little thing that can get them punished

[earnest void]

Their reports lead to moderation like in duffys case even though he hurt noone

[cold skiff]

@waxen basin you were Banned?

[waxen basin]

Not massively referring to u 2 I just woke up lol

[cold skiff]

Behaviour Scores/ AutoBlock Speach with **/ Unmoderated Option in lobby. // What do you think about these solutions?

[earnest void]

1 and 2 exist already i thinj

[waxen basin]

Yeah have been mate but if u read the post it. It's about finding solutions and feedback on the topic so something can be made better

[cold skiff]

ah man well I'm banned to bro so don't worry majority of the player base gets banned eventually there will be more moderated players then not.

[waxen basin]

And like all things bar u go too deep into your modding history they will ban u or block u or even close stuff like this

[cold skiff]

ooof

[cold skiff]

im referencing behaviour score to be able to set a lobby to allow only x behaviour score or higher to play sort of like the min chev setting

so even if moderated its just a behaviour score ding and now filters you out for others who dont behave sassy

[waxen basin]

And this is basically on knowledge within the bar community what is shit. So sadly u don't hear about abuse or problems with the chance of being banned

[pine warren]

Verified 18+ | Max Chev 3 | Max 25OS | Minimum of Good Boy rank

[cold skiff]

hehe

[earnest void]

Like apartheid sounds nice

[waxen basin]

So I'm happy the with problem have spoken but there is a line and rules here that need to be stayed with

[glacial cape]

I've done some quick math, and with current rates, your "eventually" would take about 5 years, assuming there's 0 new players and the infractions are spreaded evenly across every player.

[zinc anvil]

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[cold skiff]

?

[pine warren]

Hiii senpai

[zinc anvil]

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[waxen basin]

U know what's crazy the amount of people that have reached out with problems can't don't want to talk because there scared. This is the side of coc in bar

[delicate dome]

if i have a magic button that ban all bigot and slur slunging people, i would press it in a heartbeat

funny i got proven right

[opal nymph]

Wonder what percentage of those are in GRU. Consider taking the hook out of your mouth maybe?

[earnest void]

So whover talks against moderation is a gru member. Man this is some nazi shit

[zinc anvil]

Well if they got rightfully banned then theres no point in them saying anything...

[stable blade]

If duffy draws another dick he gets several days ban right?

[cold skiff]

so how long before it hits the 50% ratio of people being moderated? That is when the majority perspective will be statistically no longer disputable so 2-3 years before its decided that the population mathematically wants change. oof hopefully they do something before it hits majority stats.

[zinc anvil]

lol

What the f are you even talking about at this point

[cold skiff]

Change?

[waxen basin]

Well to be open I told them to fuck off but they were invited and as they have a good voice. But for ideals on fixing shit not for slop and other bull shit. I was very clear to them

[zinc anvil]

Literally just act like a normal human being and you will be fine. If you can't handle this basic responsibility, we won't cry if you disappear. Simple.

[dawn chasm]

Well, there were some good discussions that were had.
Now the right people found it and are here to seek vindication

[waxen basin]

Did the mods show u my banned 🤣

[glacial cape]

Can you elaborate on that, please? Like, someone is afraid to discuss the code of conduct? Why? There's 1.2k messages in this thread doing just that

[zinc anvil]

You got warned not banned from what I gathered.

[waxen basin]

Not everyone wants to talk in public brother

[zinc anvil]

Tickets exist

Email exists

Theres plenty of ways

[pine warren]

OnlyMods exists

[zinc anvil]

I wish

[red rune]

Bar mods are notorious for removing post about anything critical of established mods and rules. Many Reddit posts have been removed.

[glacial cape]

like 3 years with no new players and the infractions not being concentrated among previously moderated players.

[zinc anvil]

Most of the removed posts i've seen were blatant misinformation and manipulation so no doubt

[pine warren]

Ngl I would definitely have a crush on on krolya and amojini, not that cookielien would have a crush

[glacial cape]

The subreddit rules explicitly forbid public appeals, hence every such post is and will be removed.
Same goes for the discord as well.

[cold skiff]

damn well hopefully something changes in that time span

[earnest void]

You just called the people talking about their view on moderation gru members

Now u wanna talk about misinformation sonehow

[glacial cape]

I think you're missing the fact that new players do join, and not every player is equally likely to commit moderatable offense, they're mostly concentrated among the same minuscule portion of the playerbase.

[red rune]

Is this not essentially what is happening here. Duffy got banned for messing with his friend, drawing a penis. And got banned. Now asking if there needs to be change… to get unbanned.

[waxen basin]

Well in the end I hope all this chatting is at least an eye opener for the mod team. Would still love to fix or update some of the stuff around coc

[opal nymph]

Wasn't banned btw

[red rune]

Also, the amount of penis I’ve seen in this game and not one ban until now, just shows how easy it is to abuse the report system to ban players you don’t like. Just like my last false ban.

[cold skiff]

Oh bro i dont know the stats i literally only have the data you said wich i wasnt able to decipher that from just your messages but now that you said miniscule, what percentage would you say get moderated?

[muted ibex]

Yes, misinformation is exactly what you're doing at the moment

[waxen basin]

Still if I do it again it's a 7 day banned right what's crazy

[red rune]

So are you banned?

[obtuse pike]

if the full zero tolerance coc was actually enforced there would be triple digit warning and bans every day

[waxen basin]

Nah it was over a warning that felt unjust like many people get weekly

[muted ibex]

Would you look at that, more misinformation. More like a shot in the dark, you could've named any number and be equally informed

I wish surveyors existed

[zinc anvil]

https://tenor.com/view/how-it-feels-when-you-meme-nanami-jjk-gif-10683277372535996893

[obtuse pike]

just give the mods what they want report everyone and everything until the whole community is walking on egg shells

[red rune]

It’s more of the case, people don’t use the report unless it’s someone they don’t like. I guess I can just be secret police and report every single COC infraction and you can see the moderations go up.

[pine warren]

Damgam is a woman!! Everyone! Damgam is a hot latina!!

[waxen basin]

Ok it would be great to open up on my case more too see the unjust @glacial cape who reported what was said and pics is this something we can do

[zinc anvil]

You wish

[waxen basin]

See how everything works

[obtuse pike]

yes we should all just do that and fill the mod log with stupid shit and make them watch meaningless replays for minor infractions no one acutally cares about

[zinc anvil]

Reporting shadowbans exist btw

[red rune]

Beware if you aren’t a Christian saint, Jesus reincarnate in my lobby you are getting the hammer.

[waxen basin]

Truely.crazy

[obtuse pike]

if I report an inapprorpiate drawing or joke I expect the coc to be upheld with zero tolerance as mods say

[cold skiff]

Would you consider backing have a lobby toggle similar to ranked /unranked toggle that was moderated/unmoderated in the lobby system? it would just not give options to report players, but still kickban. mute, and such.

[glacial cape]

I thought you said this wasn't meant to be a public appeal thread

[red rune]

I feel like this thread is coming to an end

[muted ibex]

I would not consider anything of the sort, no

[muted ibex]

It is