#All units are invisible

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dawn zodiac
north tapir
dawn zodiac
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15.3 is the latest. The application "Crimson Edition" is a different version number. 🙁

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Can somone put a good log in here? I want to compare. I downloaded the git repo and can maybe figure out the code thats the problem.

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All my other machines (much newer) are "work" machines.

north tapir
wheat cave
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I have an invisible units issue as well. It happens to me only on specific maps. I wanted to practice for the next Apprentice League, and loaded up Pools of Ilys, where this issue showed up:

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I'm on Arch Linux, Nvidia graphics (4070Ti), and a Ryzen 9 7900X.

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I tried the appimage from the website, the AUR package (also appimage), as well as the flatpak version. I backed up and moved the .local/state/Beyond All Reason directory for a fresh download of everything, and nothing worked.

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This firsts happened to me on Tundra_V2, when I wanted to play the sixth scenario. A couple of days ago, I tried it again, and the units were still invisible, except for a handful of unit types.

north tapir
fluid marten
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It is a common problem, always on certain maps.
I have had this frequently on industrial revolution

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And the combo
Linux+AMD+Nvidia

wheat cave
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Does happen to me on that map as well!

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fluid marten
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I say that for some reason it works sometimes, but I don't understand how or why

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you use linux?

north tapir
north tapir
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I don't observe it at all, ever, on my AMD/Linux system, this seems unique to Nvidia/Linux

fluid marten
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no, it happens to me in random situation.
Halfway through the evening, I was watching some Rotato, and on a specific map, it started doing this.
The map was:

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mescaline v2

wheat cave
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I think the very first time I played on Tundra_V2, in the Back from the Dead scenario, it did work. But ever since restarting the scenario, I could never see my units there again.

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But not all units had that issue on that map. On Pools of Ilys, I can't see any units.

fluid marten
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yor current driver version?

wheat cave
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590.48.01-15

fluid marten
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580.126.09

fluid marten
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#⭐｜main message

stone lotus
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grrrr time to start learning how to get out all the debug logs

fluid marten
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@north tapir this problem affects more users than we think

fluid marten
stone lotus
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correct. AMD cpu

fluid marten
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Same

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But CPU... Idk if the CPU has something to do with the problem

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Driver version?

stone lotus
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Running on xorg too

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fluid marten
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The command to reload is
/luaui reload
But don't help a lot

stone lotus
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ye gave it a go and nothing changed

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I have a fucked up two monitor setup, but this has happened to me on a single monitor too

fluid marten
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The only way is a total reboot for now

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, have nothing to do with monitoring settings

stone lotus
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I'm running these for some other games, but I wonder if they can mess with BAR

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fluid marten
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Nvidia card?

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Maybe it is hardware specific

stone lotus
# fluid marten , have nothing to do with monitoring settings

I am not sure about that. BAR always starts on my secondary monitor because it's the 0 x-coordinate monitor and it ignores the setting when I boot. I have to manually select "borderless" the first time I enter a scenario so it actually swaps BAR to the correct monitor, and that transfer is not pretty

fluid marten
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But I think it's related to the Linux drivers

stone lotus
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I've managed to make very weird things happen by trying to move and resize BAR on my setup

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so I'm not ruling anything out at this point

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4070 ti is the card though

fluid marten
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Well ... I can't help you a lot.
I have the same issue, but no solution for now

stone lotus
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sometimes it's not even all units, it just like randomly all maces are invisible with no shadow

fluid marten
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Yes I know...

stone lotus
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I can also confirm the map dependent behavior. Tundra V2 and Pools of Ilys 1.1.2 trigger it consistently from testing maps mentioned above

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Also, I get this warning at the start of every match (regardless if the invisibility bug is happening). Not sure if it's related

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Industrial revolution seems fine to me O.o

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shadow viper
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for what its worth I get this all the time too, had it again today on Pentos V1, it happens to me every time on this map

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I concur, also happens on one or two monitors

fluid marten
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Linux + Nvidia?

shadow viper
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yep

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though I have seen complaints in the past from AMD users

fluid marten
shadow viper
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in fact, Spider who's post we're replying to said he is AMD GPU

north tapir
fluid marten
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I'm doing a bit of confusion at this point

shadow viper
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Just need to key myself good at zooming out and then controlling the icons of units (;

sterile rune
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Can I have TLDR what I need to run to see it?
I'm on Linux with NVIDIA GPU (CPU brand is irrelevant here)

wheat cave
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I reproduce mine the following way:

  1. Start match on Pools of Ilys
unreal harbor
wheat cave
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I've gone through all the default presets, and changed most settings manually, going through a lot of restarting, and none of those had an influence on the invis units.

unreal harbor
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Both Flatpak and AppImage are fine btw

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But i use X11

wheat cave
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It's also weird that some people report it happening sometimes, while I have it every time.

wheat cave
unreal harbor
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I playing this regularly for year's.... never had invis units

wheat cave
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Though ivand says it's irrelevant, so that might be a coincidence.

unreal harbor
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I have MSAA disabled btw, you need also to restart the client for certained effects like Anti Aliasing... keep that in mind

wheat cave
unreal harbor
wheat cave
unreal harbor
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I think your problem might be related to water... but i could be wrong...

wheat cave
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Lots of water maps work perfectly fine for me though.

unreal harbor
wheat cave
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Not sure, let me check!

unreal harbor
wheat cave
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Mine is enabled.

unreal harbor
# wheat cave Mine is enabled.

It gives around 2%-7% avg fps in certain games... but i would try to disable it, when its related to this problem... up to you.

wheat cave
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Behold. Visible commander on Ilys.

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unreal harbor
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@fluid marten @stone lotus @dawn zodiac @north tapir @shadow viper You guys could also try to disable Resizable BAR in your Bios to see if its fix your invis unit's.

wheat cave
sterile rune
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Do /cheat
/luarules disable

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Confirm you can see the units

wheat cave
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Yes, units are still visible when doing that.

sterile rune
wheat cave
stone lotus
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I am tundraing out of my mind right now. Excellent work people

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wheat cave
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Happy unit visibility day!

stone lotus
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BAR is popular enough to have custom bios settings but not popular enough for them to work with linux 😔

wheat cave
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Now I'll never be able to resize my BAR window again. Kapp

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It is hilarious that a setting that literally has "BAR" in it was the culprit. LUL

unreal harbor
stone lotus
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correct

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I also verified with the /luarules disable

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(though I don't understand what that is debugging)

wheat cave
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I think /luarules disable was meant to make the units visible while they were invisible. Ivand was unaware it was already fixed, and suggested testing that, I think.

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I might re-enable resizable bar tomorrow and try the /luarules disable thing to gather more info.

stone lotus
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I can do that now

unreal harbor
stone lotus
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stand by for the resizening

wheat cave
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Yeah, @dawn zodiac's logs say Windows. Yo Spider, do you still have this issue? Two of us could fix it by disabling resizable bar in our BIOS settings!

stone lotus
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Interestingly Tundra_v2 was still ok with resizeable BAR immediately after reboot, but Pools of Ilys is fubar as usual

wheat cave
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I vaguely remember Tundra_V2 working for me the first time I ever loaded it, but then it stopped working after a reload.

unreal harbor
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Im not wondering that this bug is unreliable... since Resizable BAR is accelerating the speed to loead Texture's faster into the VRAM... only a clean power shutdown, would reset the situation to default.

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As long your VRAM/RAM not cleaned, its hard to predict when this error occured or not.

stone lotus
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Map: Pools of Ilys
Resizeable BAR on

First image with normal settings, second image with /luarules disable after /cheat

no visible difference

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After that single skirmish with Pools of Ilys now Tundra_v2 is invisible again

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Map: Tundra V2
Resizeable BAR on
First image normal settings, second image with /luarules disable

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That's enough data I'm switching it back off

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With Resize BAR off I did the same thing after restart:
-> Launch skirmish on Tundra_V2 and build two mexes (no problems)
-> Launch skirmish on Pools of Ilys (no problems)

north tapir
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I so far have failed to find the ability to enable/disable resizable BAR in my laptop's bios.

unreal harbor
stone lotus
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Mine was very obvious on literally the front page (not real screenshot but some random google image)

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north tapir
unreal harbor
stone lotus
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the hallucinator and this random video from 4 years ago says you might find it under advanced/pcie/pci sub-system settings, though this BIOS version is not the same

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unreal harbor
stone lotus
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but yeah probably what kobold said

north tapir
unreal harbor
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Yeah Laptop Bioses/UEFI's looks total different compared to PC's.

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`/etc/modprobe.d/nvidia-rebar.conf

options nvidia NVreg_EnableResizableBar=0`

Then regenerate the initramfs so the option is applied when the NVIDIA kernel module is loaded early during boot.

A full power cycle (shutdown and power off) may be required for PCIe BAR resizing to take effect.

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TBH im clueless what they mean with regenerate the initramfs... i think thats happening automatical in background after a reboot or not? Sometimes i think this Arch Wiki's are gatekeeping and a little bid hard to understand.

wheat cave
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Since you're changing which kernel modules are to be loaded, the initramfs, which is what is initially loaded into RAM at boot, needs to be updated.

unreal harbor
# wheat cave Since you're changing which kernel modules are to be loaded, the initramfs, whic...

Yeah that's what im expecting after reading this... idk if this is a language barrier problem since im not a native english speaker, but i don't understand what exactly mean: regenerate the initramfs... how does it work. Do we have to do another set off command's? Where is the clear advice? For me they always speak in a gatekeeper language when i read this Arch wiki's... making things looks more complicated as it actually be the case.

wheat cave
unreal harbor
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Yeah i'm using sudo mkinitcpio -P for year's, when im editing certain system files, merging .pacnew files etc. and that's what i'm talking about... instead clearly writing that command in the guide or giving a hot link and pointing straight to mkinitcpio. This guys writing sometimes guide's which relying on insider information and for me its confusing/unclear (gatekeeping). if you not aware that regenerate initramfs means to execute sudo mkinitcpio -P, you are lost... and fuck i'm even a tech nerd.

wheat cave
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That's true, the wording could be more exact, given that they say "regenerate" on one page, and then don't use that word in the title of the section they link to. But ctrl+f'ing for regenerate does point you there.

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Anyway, to summarize

Recent discoveries:

  1. For multiple people (including myself), disabling resizable bar in the BIOS settings has fixed the issue seemingly entirely.
  2. Using /luarules disable, however, did not solve the issue.