Make Boss Kickban a vote and address Boss abuse

[cerulean mantle]

if they don't wanna share a constructor to upgrade my mex and allow me to scale, I will share them my base so they can do it themselves, its the best chance at victory. I will keep playing though.

[raw locust]

Another day, another instance of people accusing each other of breaking the coc but filing no reports about it

[old yoke]

The folks that made the lobby waited, why can't you?

What makes one player more special than the other that grants them the right and protections to skip the wait/effort?

[raw locust]

the other lobby already exists as competition

[cerulean mantle]

what? am I special because I skip the hosting lobby process by joining an existing lobby?

why can't I wait to fill a lobby? because I do not have the time as I said

are you saying the realistic amount of free time I need to play one game of bar is >2hours? because I need to login, make a lobby, wait for it to fill, then, have just enough time to play that one game?

and if im unlucky and it doesnt fill fast enough, I guess I dont play bar today! better luck tomorrow

[old yoke]

It's what you're asking for, I doubt their lobby is filled immediately after logging in.

Did they have a headstart because they have friends in a similar timezone? Probably.

It'd be nice if I have folks during my playtime that are still running the higher level lobbies, but they're usually logging off around the time I get home.

I'm saying that if someone wants to enjoy the fruits of someone else's labor/time, they're probably going to have to meet some expectations/play nice with them.

[cerulean mantle]

oh yes, I totally agree that I am expected to meet some expectations and play nice.

But those expectations are made up on the spot. not predefined. And they are subjective and promote worse gameplay, such as kickbanning me for making shuriken as a backline player to stop a deathpush all in of incisor.

You see, the expectations placed on me were that I go to front and disregard the 20 incisor all in happening on the weaker side of the map, let them kill our rainbow player, our air player and our techer at 5 minutes into the game.

And those expectations were not predefined either. so I had to guess that I was supposed let my team lose the game

[old yoke]

Let's uh, back off on it all being about you. Just speak about it in general.

Why is it not okay for arbitrary or justified boss kicks to continue?

Sticking to your situation will drag in folks claiming it's justified, while you disagree. And we'll derail again.

[cerulean mantle]

it was just an example to highlight that telling players to abide by some undefined expectations is a recipe to create arguments

[grand mauve]

I think it’s totally disingenuous and a bit entitled to say that you just automatically deserve to be in any lobby because you logged on.

Other people curated their lobby and put effort in together. Maybe you don’t have the time but others did. You have friends, take turns and maybe by the time you log on you’ll have a payable lobby.

If you don’t have the time or effort to put into creating your own lobby with your own rules then don’t complain about joining other people’s lobbies that have rules you disagree with because they made the effort

If you don’t agree with the lobby rules that have the 30+ os players in it then simply make your own and spend the effort. Otherwise I’m not sure what leg you have to stand on lol

[cerulean mantle]

its not realistic to ask someone to put in 2h+ of their time to play a single game everyday

and the lobby rules are defined on the spot by a single individual. when I joined that lobby there wasnt a welcome message telling me that shuriken are banned for corner players

[arctic holly]

Replay?

[old yoke]

I feel that if folks feel somebody is "poopoo head" (not calling you one, it's an example!) then folks should have the ability to not play with them, just on the basis of how they feel about them.

[cerulean mantle]

also I never said I am entitled to be in any lobby because I logged on, my stance has been that I shouldnt be kickbanned mid game because one player is unhappy

[old yoke]

Please no, the thread will devolve into folks backseat gaming/analyzing it with subjective opinions.

[arctic holly]

I think it’s better to define what people can/cannot be kickbannwd for
That is one where people shouldn’t be kicked banned on

[arctic holly]

I want to split this into a different thread actually

[old yoke]

Did you mean to say nicknamed, or kickbanned?

[arctic holly]

Yes…I’m a victim of spellcheck

[arctic holly]

Edited due to apple spell check being funny

[old yoke]

Either 6 or 7 on my pinned message has the Modify CoC option, if you want different/expanded wording I'm open to adding it to the list.

I hope Kuchy mid-game kick was done as a vote, as I'd be concerned about a potential CoC violation if done as a boss kick.

[sly hazel]

I agree kickbanning during game is a big no.
But kickbanning people you don't want to play with when you are boss of your lobby is mandatory for me. Just don't be toxic/mean/etc and play the game.
If you estimate the kickban was abusive, just file a report no ? I would like to see the replays tho, if u can DM the game'id ?

[cerulean mantle]

no. a vote to kick me mid game has never reached majority so far I believe

[raw locust]

no it's not, this is a lobby kick thread. Midgame kicks are already moderated

[cerulean mantle]

um yes it is my stance.

and while midgame kicks are already moderated, they would also require a vote if the change asked in this thread go through so they are equally part of the discussion

[raw locust]

As a consequence of the proposed changes, yes it will, but that's a lower bar than what the thread is asking for

It's hardly relevant to the thread

[old yoke]

I guess it would be 1 less thing for us to moderate, as a side effect, but I personally view it as a lower priority since there are already restrictions on it within the current rules.

[cerulean mantle]

I think you misunderstood the thread then, its asking the kickban process as a whole to require vote, not just specifically the ones in the pregame lobby

[old yoke]

This is why I don't want specific examples! Please don't derail us on it being good game decisions or not.

[sonic ember]

So have we reached a concensus on of we are going to make any of the changes requested in this thread or can I ignore it for another 10k messages

Eater of kuchy keep popping in and out

So is there a consensus or what

[raw locust]

the ones in the pregame lobby supersede the ingame ones

[cerulean mantle]

just ignore it, its just opposition coming and attempting to derail or attack individuals while pooman does his best to keep it on topic

[sonic ember]

Big rip ok I close tyvm

[raw locust]

#1372927243101274142 message

[old yoke]

Pinned message has no change by a good amount.

Opinions on bias will vary, and even if everyone in this thread voted it would be a tiny percentage of the player base.

[cerulean mantle]

there is 0 valid reason as to why someone needs the power to overrule the majority vote in the kickban process and no one who has been against the change has come here and made an attempt at saying otherwise

[sonic ember]

Sounds like some moderators here need to play high os lobbby so i can kickban them tbh

[cerulean mantle]

the only valid reason is for big discord events that are streamed and those are run by mods, not boss.

[old yoke]

Funny story, you can't kickban mods lol.

I'll step out to spec mode if folks tell me I'm not wanted, but hasn't happened yet

[sonic ember]

I will just report ecery instance of noob getting kickbanned theb

[languid sapphire]

true i try to kickban them daily

[cerulean mantle]

the whole time the solution was just to apply to become a mod

[languid sapphire]

cant even bkick them anymore for fun 😦

[cerulean mantle]

will you step out of spec and join another lobby if youre not wanted even as a spec? because thats what kickbans are, you cant even spec either.

[old yoke]

Probably, after verifying they want me gone and wasn't done for the laughs.

So far it's been !kickban Pooman, I hit spec and they say come back.

I don't want to play with people that don't want to play with me. I'm in game to play not be a mod.

Mod time is spent on the server website.

[cerulean mantle]

for the rest of us theres no verifying they want us gone unfortunately. there isnt a time window where they can realize they were acting on emotions

you go from microing your bombers killing windmill with highest damage dealt on your team / highest eco, instantly back to menu screen

[grand mauve]

I’m pretty sure there is no consensus anywhere. It’s just a loud minority of yappers that get kick banned because of their toxic playstyle or toxicity in general or whatever dealers choice problems/ bad taste they’ve left in the mouths of people that worked hard to create lobbies lol.

[cerulean mantle]

Why do you need the power to overrule the majority vote in the kickban process?

[grand mauve]

Because it’s your lobby that you created with your own effort.

[sonic ember]

the many of the people not voting are the noobs that got kickbanned and just quit the game btw

discord extremely small subset of players

[grand mauve]

If they are noob there are like 30000% more lobbies to choose from so this is like ridiculous

[sonic ember]

Nez I have seen so many players kickbanned for being new to the game, what kind of message does that send to that player

[grand mauve]

Who cares. It’s a lobby system

[sonic ember]

back in the day when bar only had 5-6 people online we would always force spec

[grand mauve]

That’s like you come to my restaurant dressed in rags when I have a dress code

[sonic ember]

yall have become so detatched its insane

[grand mauve]

Doesn’t mean noob going to stop eating at restaurants

[old yoke]

We don't have the time or manpower to verify the claim, we can discuss whether it's right or not, I can pin high quality things stating for either direction so devs/participants can see it highlighted in this mess of a thread.

Give us stuff beyond the anecdotal please.

[sonic ember]

in my observation, they dont even do anything wrong, they are just playing their best and people need cope for loss so they annihilate them to time out

"this guy is a greifer because he made 5 rezbots instead of 3"

"why are you going hovers? stop trolling my games"

[grand mauve]

Yeah no big deal tbh because that doesn’t happen as often as you think it does and those lobbies just die at the end of the day if people get kick banned for that

[sonic ember]

bro i have played this game for eons i have seen noobs getting kickbanned for being noobs probably 99% of the time kickbanned is used

[grand mauve]

Ok?

What’s your point. Most lobbies you play in don’t want to play with noobs. You’re in the top 1% of players

[sonic ember]

it literally says in CoC u arent allowed to harass players based on playstyle or how they are playing the game but getting kickbanned is literally this

[grand mauve]

There’s literally noob friendly lobbies

Kickbanning in lobby isn’t harassment

It means go to a different lobby. Simple as.

[sonic ember]

imagine u finally work up the courage to play with the big boys and you try your very best and u literally get shit on by 10 different people and kickbanned, imagine how you would feel after that

that isnt harassment? hello?

[old yoke]

I'd prefer that the player is quietly removed instead of potentially getting exposed to someone lashing out with shit that I'll have to action under A1/A2.

[grand mauve]

Yeah I mean I can imagine a lot of things but getting kick banned from one lobby and seeing 50 other lobbies available for noobs and deciding to log off instead isn’t something I imagine.

[sonic ember]

also if they are playing they are meeting the chev and rating requirements of the lobby, so they are valid to play in that lobby

[grand mauve]

If you go to a lobby and see a crown and you get kicked go to one without one

How hard is that. Choosing to stay in a bossed lobby is the risk you take

[sonic ember]

man i struggle to even understand ur logic as to how harassment via kickban for being inexperienced is valid

[grand mauve]

You guys like to throw up all these other pre-qualifiers about lobbies like min chev and min rate and call these people “valid players” but forget the only setting that matters. There’s a boss. He made a lobby. He doesn’t want you then you stay out

I’ve went to random 1v1 lobbies and get instant kick banned because it’s some 20 os noob waiting for similar rating

That’s like his right lol

[sonic ember]

except that bosses are literally just friend group cabals that need copeium for loss so they target people in the minority

[grand mauve]

Okay then don’t join bossed lobbies

[sonic ember]

being in the minority doesnt mean you arent protected

[grand mauve]

Maybe there just needs to be a warning sign then when you enter a bossed lobby to explain that they have the power to remove you no matter what

[sonic ember]

rules are rules for everyone. literally CoC demands all players must be respectful to all players at all times

[grand mauve]

Seems like an easy solution to your whole feign ignorance victim mentality woe is me attitude

[sonic ember]

it doesnt give bosses special permission to be a cunt just because their friends need to cope

[grand mauve]

Actually it does because it’s your lobby

You just can’t be a cunt in certain ways like kicking people mid game

This isn’t the public school cafeteria where you just get a guaranteed seat at the table

[sonic ember]

so in my lobby i can be racist? I can draw swasticas as long as it says nazis allowed in my lobby?

bosses define the rules right? I can do anything i want in my lobby apparently CoC doesnt matter

[grand mauve]

Is that what I said?

[sonic ember]

in a really roundabout way, yes

[grand mauve]

Is that what I said? COC doesn’t matter?

[sonic ember]

you're saying bosses are allowed to disregard the respect requirements of the CoC

[grand mauve]

Nah you just reading what you want to read.

COC says boss can kick during lobby time and it’s not moderated meaning it can be for whatever reason.

[sonic ember]

this game has become beyond all copeium

[grand mauve]

So in that case it’s following COC. If you say something racial you get moderated regardless if you’re boss or not

[old yoke]

Friendly reminder that there is a section in B2 about kicks.

[grand mauve]

If you want your own rainbow utopia lobby then make one and enforce your own rainbow awesome rules that would never kick noobs

[cerulean mantle]

if somehow this doesnt make it to the game, there should 100% be a warning when you join a boss lobby or vote on !boss

something very explicit like
Warning, this is a bossed lobby. Bosses are not necessarily trusted individual, they have the power to remove you from the game without a valid reason. Continue? Yes / No

[grand mauve]

Yeah I think a warning is a good solution

Just not the wording kuchy would use. Lmfao

[sonic ember]

A3: Intentionally making false accusations, for example with the intent to have a player removed from the game/lobby, is abusive. We understand that mistakes happen, and no one knows everything that goes on in each match they play.

A2: Harassment includes flaming players for using strategies which may seem subjectively suboptimal (high-risk tactics like commander-drops and such) or just low skill plays.

Both of these statues are violated when people are kickbanning people for what they think is inexperienced play

[grand mauve]

There’s already warnings about lobby rules like minrating. Easy fix.

[old yoke]

I don't know about the wording, but the coordinator bot doing a similar thing as stating the welcome message/rank/chevron requirements could be good.

[cerulean mantle]

nah it has to be very explicit

thats literally what the boss is and what it can do

[grand mauve]

Yeah but just because this happens sometimes doesn’t mean that boss should be changed. Just means that these people should be reported.

[sonic ember]

"This lobby is run by the [Smile] cartel. Hope we dont cope when ur on our team kk"

[grand mauve]

You can be the Good Samaritan glass and report everyone

[cerulean mantle]

they arent hand picked by the community, they arent trusted, all they did was click Host lobby. they have the power to remove you from the game at any time with a command and its important that people are aware of that

[grand mauve]

Ok but like what is this cope that lobby bosses are somehow believed to be elevated saints in society here

[sonic ember]

yeah you know what, i will just report every single instance of someone kickbanning a noob now since apparently nobody else cares

[old yoke]

Let's try having a little bit less 🧂 in the bot message.

[grand mauve]

Go for it

[sonic ember]

disgusting

[cerulean mantle]

as long as its very explicit and doesnt sugar coat it either

[grand mauve]

Why’s it disgusting to use COC if you think COC is right?

It’s very simple message that boss can kickban you for any reason including no reason. lol

Like how hard is that to understand.

And how hard is it to figure out how to click host lobby. Because you say it’s so simple now but you don’t do it

[cerulean mantle]

oh we understand it, in fact we want to change it

[sonic ember]

i have my friendgroup of people that i try to get to play bar that have anxiety playing this game and specifically tell me they dont feel comfortable playing because everytime they played publically they got harassed, kicked, etc

this environment is totally hostile to new players and yall just ignoring it

[cerulean mantle]

its very simple. anyone can do it. doesnt mean everyone has the time to

I wish I had as much free time has nezah and I Could host my daily rotato

[grand mauve]

Yeah I mean if you have anxiety and can’t handle certain things then a lot of things in society IRL or online are going to be rough places for you and it’s important for you and your friends to try and find places to cope with that, not change the entire world to be foam padded

[grand mauve]

Well you spent a lot of time on this thread you could have hosted a lobby by now

I know from experience the amount of time it takes.

[cerulean mantle]

im at work and you know that

[grand mauve]

I don’t really know that. Btw you can host lobbies at work just don’t play in them

Then by the time you get home you’ll have a lobby

[cerulean mantle]

I personally cannot do that no

[grand mauve]

Unluck

You can be active participant in 4,000 message thread on discord but can’t make lobby using bar URL

Sus….

[arctic holly]

Have you actually tried doing this?
You can easily read chat and respond
Also what your asking for is something we don’t encourage due to a cap of how many players can be online

Kick and should require a vote during live matches
Outside I’m way more open to what kick and can be used for.

[grand mauve]

As hostile as you think it is it’s just not based on reality. Some of the most popular games that exist are way way way more toxic and getting kicked out of one of 300 lobbies is not as bad as you think it is. My wife literally gets harassed on voice every single overwatch game she uses her voice chat. My friends playing CS playing mid tier lobbies get told to etc etc every lobby. Trying to act like BAR isn’t one of the safest and most heavily moderated games already is like epic delulu. Making up random people with anxiety as hypothetical points of interest that get turned off is purely fictional / daydreaming.

[mighty pier]

What I miss.... oh wait.

[grand mauve]

Why are we talking about kicking during live matches again.

[sonic ember]

i dont think you understand the new player bar experience nezzah u are too far removed from it if you think its not that big of a deal

[grand mauve]

My new player bar experience was getting flamed every game until I started flaming and then I got moderated for flaming. So you can see in my moderation history of slowly getting less and less flame correlated with my skill and OS. So basically the beatings will stop when morale improves. But none of this flaming ever compared to StarCraft 2 chat so meh

[sonic ember]

kickban has proliferated from the cartels to the noob lobbies, noob lobbies kickban even more frequently than the map namestays

[grand mauve]

Yeah because there’s more lobbies and more players you see it more often. Go figure

[sonic ember]

bar didnt used to be this way, its been made this way by proliferation

[grand mauve]

Yeah well there’s a lot of things that didn’t use to be a certain way

[sonic ember]

whats that even supposed to mean?

[grand mauve]

From politics to online chatrooms to dating to restaurant to salary expectations so like whatever dude. That’s not even an argument.

“It never use to be this way” is just like ok wtf I talking about and who cares.

[sonic ember]

im arguing that bar used to be welcoming and now its clearly not, how is that just hocus pocus random musing

[grand mauve]

I mean there’s a lot of welcoming pockets in BAR and there are also pockets you aren’t welcome in

Kind of like the entire planet

Small societies that want to grow are inherently more welcoming. Societies with cliches or, what you call mafia, have unwelcoming spaces. Hard to fathom huh? Seems pretty natural tbh. Like an exact mirror of society that exists outside of the game.

[grand mauve]

Kuchy the type of person to come over to someone’s house and invoke squatters rights under some obscure bylaws and then get mad when he’s physically removed from the premises with force.

[cerulean mantle]

nezah the type of person to invite you over for dinner and when you pick up the spoon to eat you get thrown out because you were expected to use your hands to eat your soup

[grand mauve]

My house my rules.

https://tenor.com/view/drink-finish-bubble-tea-eating-show-mukbang-gif-14057911

Lots of ways to drink soup without a fork. Most people use spoons.

[grand mauve]

Damn I’m too slow. Need to screenshot you taking about drinking soup with fork next time.

[cerulean mantle]

no chopsticks so I use fork for my ramen

[grand mauve]

Not in my house

[pastel isle]

I saw it he said he drink with fork this yan

[grand mauve]

Cught

[cerulean mantle]

its true thats how I eat my ramen rn

[grand mauve]

Kickbanned on sight gg

[mighty pier]

I once threw a chick out for being on her phone at the table all the time after I had cooked her dinner. Insta kickban.

Thats the game

[grand mauve]

Good example of using your right to remove disrespectful individuals from your house.

You’re not allowed to commit murder or manslaughter or even assault. But removing them with appropriate force and having that right is important.

[cerulean mantle]

I wanted to see if any other game does mid game kickban by authority of a single other player:

[grand mauve]

Nobody thinks mid game kickbans by single authority for no reason is good and it’s not even allowed.

[cerulean mantle]

it is allowed. you can do !kickban midgame as boss and poof they are gone, you might lose your boss privilege in the process, you also might not.

[grand mauve]

If you lose your privilege or get moderated then it’s not allowed

That’s like saying you’re allowed to murder people but you might get shot by cops

[mighty pier]

Kickban in the middle of a ranked game without a vote is absurd.

You cant bake that pie any other way

[grand jewel]

I used to do this, but my threshold was violation of coc that would be moderatable. I then also reported the problem player, and without exception I was not moderated but the offending player was.

This used to be how it works but now it spawns a vote. I'm not opposed to this change, but I came back to the BAR discord to chime in on this since I keep hearing about this chat anyway.

[cerulean mantle]

Almost no competitive PvP games give a single player the power to ban another player mid-game.

In bar you have that power. stop arguing semantics

[grand mauve]

You’re not in mid-game when you’re in a lobby

[cerulean mantle]

im not talking about in lobby

[grand mauve]

Ok then we aren’t talking because I’m not interested in discussing something that’s already disallowed lol.

[cerulean mantle]

stop arguing semantics

its implemented in the code that a player has the power to ban another player mid game. nearly no other competitive pvp game has that

[grand jewel]

I will be totally honest, I can't be bothered to catch up on this entire thread, but I find it ironic that the issue used to be portrayed as a spookie specific issue, and I was basically put in a corner when I would say most of my kbans were by request, and for the purpose of trying to prevent perpetual dodge lobby sim sessions...

[cerulean mantle]

yea no its not about you its about abuse

[grand jewel]

but part of the charm of this game is the small community, and the quality of life features it offers, the boss priveldges are one of them. its a power, so it can be abused, but this isn't unlike any other power that some abuse and others don't. do we now question the moral implications of freewill, knowing some will abuse it?

[grand mauve]

kekw

[cerulean mantle]

your freedom ends where mine begins

[grand mauve]

Sounds existential. Fight?

[grand jewel]

its a small community. we know each other, sadly we feud, and even more tradgicly we don't use our words and just sling mud... human nature in ugly even is special spaces.... but this is STILL small enough to call a community. we can come together, but there are those who don't want to, who just join to flame and troll and alloing them to do as they please doesn't better the game, it kills the lobby. the safeguard is boss priveldge. my lobby becomes my house. my house my rules, if you don't like me or the rules you can go home, or elsewhere, but my house is my castle. the rights of the vagrant stop at the door (and I'm not saying you are one either, I like you kutchy, in spite of some friction in matches)

[cerulean mantle]

the safeguard should not be boss priviliege, it should be like every other pvp game ever, the moderation system

or the same as any other non bossed lobby, democracy

if its such a small community, why do you want the power to overrule your small community in such impactful decisions

your house, your rule. I get it, but if your rule are not predefined, made up on the spot, and ruin the integrity and fairness of the ranked system, then im calling bullshit on your rules

and I also like you even if you cant spell my name correctly

[grand jewel]

so we are going to make the moderation team take the hard stances on this and that? I am to forefit my right to boycott spending my leasure time with people whom I think have reprehensible charather traits? and somehow your sensibilities totally negate mine when it comes to enjoying a niche game with my friends?

Good walls make for good neighbors. How long did it take for sheep to get moderated for respecting community members, when he would join the glitters lobby EVERY DAY for weeks, and ALL he would do is talk about how stupid glitters players are, and how trash the map is. Noone made him do this, he CHOSE to join, and CHOSE to make his displeasure everyone elses probelm. Then I had to look like the bad guy for all the kickbans, LITERALLY OVER THE SAME ISSUE THE MOD TEAM EVENTUALLY ACTED ON...

its as simple as making your own lobby, you arent entitled to someone elses

[cerulean mantle]

you didnt have to look like the bad guy, you could issue a vote and let the majority look like the bad guy

you chose to be the hammer that brought justice to sheep. with great power comes great responsibilities

[grand jewel]

do I need to allow ppl on my palwworld server too? do I need to let ppl join my factario session? do I have to let people join my D&D table? what your acting like is a travisty to give to the plauyerbase is literally a default staple of almost every other game that exists, the RIGHT to decide if you care to play with someone.

[languid sapphire]

i love u spookie u are the most sexy mf in bar

[cerulean mantle]

are you playing pvp palworld competitively on an open lobby? sounds pog

[grand jewel]

you say I chose to be the hammer, but your projecting some sort of grandiose delusion onto the whole situation. I just didn't want some person to complain NONSTOP about me, my map choice, and my frinends. SIMPLE AS

[cerulean mantle]

yea but you complain about how that made you look

if you let the majority decide, you dont look like youre the one swinging the hammer, its democracy, not tyranny

[grand jewel]

bruh I don't even kban you but you pulling the sarcastic tone here and now? I'm arguing in good faith, while we both have time and space to consider our words and articulate our points of view... make it make sense, treat this as a debate, noone is pressureing your for time or apm so whats with the rhetorical sarcasim?

[cerulean mantle]

you brought sarcasm first by comparing a pvp rts to single player pvm private passworded lobby

dont misunderstand me im also arguing in good faith

[grand jewel]

isn't this WHOLE FUCKING THREAD about how the turanny of the masses, given shared boss power through shared community, the whole gripe?

yall literally gaslit me as the ONLY ONE CAUSING PROBLEMS, but I got sick of the drama and bullshit, I got sick of being the scapegoat, I got sick of playing middleman and I got sick of being blamed for gallvanizing the "cultivation of a lobby"

so I left, I shared boss powers, and now everyone is subject to the whims of everyone on the "in"

we get called glitters mafia, but its literally the opposite of that

I STOPPED caring to be the gatekeeper, moderator, and curator

cause yall too much work, drama, and I just wanna game

[cerulean mantle]

dont include me in this I didnt even know you kickbanned sheep or anyone for that matter until you said it just now

[grand jewel]

like, thats literally been the point the whole time, I JUST anna game

[cerulean mantle]

me too bro

[grand jewel]

Well, respectfully, I don't intend to and I'm genuinely sorry if that seemed to be waht I said. I like you, as I said. I'm VIOLENTLY WEAPONS GRADE AUTISTIC. I refuse to say anything unrtue out of hand... But I came back because of how much I keeep hearing from this chat....

if you want the truth, you'd never be kbanned if I was the only one calling the shots, kutchy... we've had disagreements, but I always looked at is as tactical and contextual

but you can't FORCE me to play with someone like raikoh. I'll just quit playing. simple as. you don't get to force community, but it can be shattered

[cerulean mantle]

can you not just avoid and mute him

what will you do when there is matchmaking?

[grand jewel]

yall shattered my willpower. I will admit it clear as day, some times I'd pull this discord up and see someone ranting about me for 20 mins straight...

OH BUT THE MOMENT I EXPLAIN THE SITUATION: mods would link no mudslinging clauses to the chat... 20 minutes it goes unchecked but I make one comment and I get warned. So I left this BAR discord

and we "HAVE TO" allow the mods to decide?

I am not even judging the mods, literally, but there isn't enough volenteer labor IN THE UNIVERSE to deal with the drama caused by select members of the community

[cerulean mantle]

I think if you cant get majority on a kick vote and then the mods dont see an issue with your report, youre likely overshooting, not saying its foolproof but definitely better than giving one individual the power to remove someone from the game in the middle of it

[steady otter]

if A2 and A3 was actually moderated, half the people in this thread would be banned, as the evidence is conclusive

[grand jewel]

oh, and some of them (calling you our raikoh) have personal relationships with mods, and (calling you out pataq) will convince them that its all just me bullying someone totally undeserving of a kickban and just wants to join the game... and so pataq hijacks a lobby I started hours prior, makes it rotato, and the lobby just dies anyway...

I'm not looking for drama, I just wanna play a game. so when that happened all I did was make another lobby, dmed my friends to join, and kept playing the game...

again, thats LITERALLY all I want, to just play a game

I filed a report and left this official discord

[slender bane]

Who's pataq?

[grand jewel]

but I came back drunk to drop my 2 cents... and even in that short span of time I have only tried to make my case... you know what though? I'm the most active player this game has ever had, call it an insult, say I should be #1 by now, i JUST want to play a game....

but yall got this thread going still, but now its abuse boss abuse happening in general when there was LITERALLY a patch released to nerf the "spookie problem" and guess what? yeah I gloated a bit about it only harming the roto players and making me stronger... yall gaslit the wrong autist, I ONLY wanted to play my videogame... but I got bullied out of the communit and stopped speaking about the matter... I shared boss with others. and yeah its causing me problems too, but its still less drama than being gaslit on here, and as soon as I explain myself I get reminded that mudslinging is bannable...

so I left too, and shared boss, cause seriously yall more drama than its worth if I can just give boss to others and stilll play with my friensa

[grand jewel]

high level in game moderator

but hey, all the same this isn't the thead that I started over lobby drama, I'm just the kid who came back to say shit wasn't as bad when everyone wanted to pretend I was the problem, alone, only me and noone else.

[slender bane]

If that's who I think it is I should probably warn you that false accusations are moderatable under coc

[grand jewel]

seems like the problem got worse, considering this is technically I will conquer's thread, about being banned from "my" lobby... if I was the one in charge he wouldn't ever be banned, idk how he pissed jane off, even now.

[slender bane]

Holy mother of yap

Calm down

[grand jewel]

okay, thanks for dogpiling!!! it adds nothing and I'm being very sarcastic... Why would I make it up? I'm sure the game logs exist, and it only happened once. I don't want drama, so I don't seek it out. Thats why you see the leaf next to my name as a new member of the server. I literally quit over the event your calling into question, and I chose not to turn it into a whole thing.

[grand jewel]

your literally commenting and adding nothing though, respectfully you are not adding anyting, but are adding to spam messages and being off topic. all the same i respect that you have opinions in general

[languid sapphire]

im still waiting if u ever play game with xfactor or kucky

becuase in the end this thread is just about them

[slender bane]

I was willing to respect your opinion until you started accusing certain people without evidence, as if the people in question have nothing better to do

[languid sapphire]

0 games with anyone in this chat

so u should just stop talking encylopendia because u dont know anything on this topic

[slender bane]

If he's accusing a high level moderator he'd better show proof

(I know what high level moderator is in this context but ehh)

[grand jewel]

check the game logs bro, I literally filed an in game report aginst pataq in protest about it, it says your a contributor but your lierally just gaslighting me about policy, with vague threats about it being moderatable to TELL LIES, which happens to be an autistic bit of lore I have vs raikoh, and yet you don't know the context, you don't know whats going on, and I don't screenshot every little thing in the hopes I can "get" someone later

literally the whole point I made, that you ignored, because you aren't even trying to catch up on the lore/context, is that this is all in the open already but ppl dogpile and make it too much drama and effort to do the right thing

you know what works easily? !kickban.... then its over, no protracted arguments with people who don't know, its done and over with

until someone starts a discord thread about it and ppl who don't know whats happening insist on chiming in

[pearl bear]

i think there's value in just making your own lobby when there's a couple friend bosses having tantrums in OP lobbies. at certain time i'm sure there wasn't enough players to fill it up, but nowdays I think it's very viable.

I am still for KB needing to pass a vote, since this game (even though it only has a lobby system for now) strives to be competitive RTS. No competitive pub gameplay has a ability to just remove someone from the game they don't want to play.

I think the biggest problem currently is that players could create a new lobby but would split their friends group they like to play with

[steady otter]

That's what half this thread wants average player to do. How can bar compete when in rival games u can play 10 games before here you have a lobby. Joining only available high os lobby always been the only way and that is why there shouldn't be gangs having a monopoly on it as that essentially is control over who can play bar itself. Something the developers want to controll

[pearl bear]

Like, i dont join lobbies through the lobby list but by right clicking a friend's match. If i make my own i play alone probably until my game time expires cuz of life / sleep

[steady otter]

99% of high os players. Login see a lobby or not. Then they play or instant logoff.

[chrome harbor]

Kicking ppl is a big deal when it’s 100% of the lobbies for a OS / map

[steady otter]

Popular streamers have been talking about this too. It's not just an opinion.

[chrome harbor]

You’re effectively letting some ppl in a discord decide if ppl get to play bar

[floral basin]

honestly i had a similar issue with neo, he would just kickban me on site, after i called for a vote to unboss him, i just created my own lobbies, i dont think its an issue personally. People can decide who they want to play with in the lobbies and make their own if they feel like it doesnt suit them. it's not that crazy guys.

[chrome harbor]

Right now it’s basically if u rly want boss you get it. So ppl who no life and rly rly want to boss abuse will get boss lmao

[steady otter]

It's very much the equivalent of tournament organizer saying. Yo I don't want u in my tourney. You smell too funny. I think the issue is self explanatory

[pearl bear]

I actually see this boss power lobby as a world with foam padded walls. Dont wanna play X player? Just remove him from your padded lobby existance. Bliss

[chrome harbor]

Look at markonorth noobie he kicks more ppl from his noob lobby than anyone else. Guy is nuts

I once went there just to spec popcorn noob match and he kicks me on sight

[steady otter]

@floral basin lobby is ez to make if ur minimum requirement is 2 chevs. Some people have higher standards

[chrome harbor]

I’m like 27 os and it’s already not fun playing with noobs. If you’re in the 40s it’s not playable

[languid sapphire]

Blame the tourney and not the afk 15 min making afus

[chrome harbor]

He won the tourney

[languid sapphire]

Say it's a win con to let team die

[floral basin]

my lobbies always become op lobbies

[chrome harbor]

Part of the reason these guys hate him so much lmao is he won tourney kek

[languid sapphire]

No one cares about tourneys winning

[bleak sun]

not at all idk where you got this info from either.

[chrome harbor]

Why they so mad at only him then ?

[steady otter]

Pretty sure the 1000s of viewers care about tourneys

[chrome harbor]

It’s weird

[languid sapphire]

We care about u playing the game like a team and not like I'm going to make 20 afus before 25 min

[bleak sun]

here's thing the thing:

1 op player trolls and has major influence in bar community what is the outcome of this? easy more people tend to troll

[chrome harbor]

He wins tho

[floral basin]

this is my avrg lobby after a few games of starting off with no requirements

[steady otter]

@floral basin very op

[chrome harbor]

It’s 5 am est right now

Boss abusers are asleep rn

[steady otter]

But like I said it's always easy to make lobby when no other lobby exist

If u were to make a 2nd now. Gl

[languid sapphire]

Who is Duffy I only know cookie eater

[cerulean mantle]

its not even easy actually, he said this is the state of his lobby after a few games of starting off with no requirements

no requirement + no competition = few games later you can play the game

[slender bane]

Who is cookie eater I only know eater of cookie

[chrome harbor]

Look ngl I’ve been enjoying seeing xf plays on glitters. Recently I think he only trolls maybe 1/4 of his games. Before a few months ago I think he was throwing but not now rly

[pearl bear]

And at a time we drink coffee in EU

[steady otter]

Well ye u still stuck for 1-2 hour with shit games

[chrome harbor]

I think I watch basically every high os glitters replay xf is not trolling rly

[steady otter]

I mean that my gameplay not more troll than half lobby we established already. The new argument they have is they don't like me so they shouldn't play with me.

[bleak sun]

This begs the question do you go 20 afuses before helping team or continue making more until you lose

his win stats went down hill aswell. Obvious signs of him not wanting to try

[languid sapphire]

How u become 70 os to 47 I don't even try and I'm 51 u can't say he is not trying to loss

[chrome harbor]

If your team is losing maybe you need afus to get back in the game. Especially if team losing t2 Mex u need Income

[languid sapphire]

Also meaning trolling

[steady otter]

Play non carry spot. Try new labs units all time. play casual for fun. That's how.

[chrome harbor]

Losing at 45os + does not mean you’re not trying it just means you’re not going above and beyond to win

[steady otter]

Oh and no coop ofc. And no dodging

[pearl bear]

Austin winning every glitt game yesterday by having 30 afus,but also most dmg. Maybe players just dont play as well and think its troll

[languid sapphire]

That's funny I can play eco corner and still keep the same os

[steady otter]

Austin is 40os and yet u guys have no issue with him kek

[chrome harbor]

You can’t force someone to play 1v5 if they don’t want to

[cerulean mantle]

he was kickbanned for being too afk recently

[steady otter]

Rly?

[languid sapphire]

U also can't afus for 20 min and let your team 1v5

[bleak sun]

Idk we're focusing on 1 player here and pooman alreadyb warned to let that go anyways the answer to your question goes like this:

MAP Awereness. you see lanes losing and they have no fusion no afuses only wind eco meanwhile you had 4 afuses and continuing to make more in the canyon backline does that make sense? it's also a sign that the enemy team has no eco either you have way higher one why not make units and help team?

[chrome harbor]

Most of his games haven’t been that though

[cerulean mantle]

thats what he said, I didn't witness it

[languid sapphire]

U went all the replay

I can find them if u went

[bleak sun]

it begs the question how do we know if he will troll this round or next? it's easier to get rid of someone than risk your own gameplay to be influenced by the trolls.

[steady otter]

It's very easy to say that team is 1v5 by afus. Just as easy it's to ignore that afus player was 1v3 whole game and won. And that in the end his lane opponent did not affect other lanes but team simply lost all their lanes to their regular opponents.

[chrome harbor]

I’ve seen him nuke on glitters multiple times and win. I’ve seen rainbow lane carrying making units. I’ve seen bed bug gaming he blew up all my rocket bot and almost save his shitty team. He is playing

[fluid star]

duffy dont be a hypocrite you did more than your fair share of afus spamming literally a fucking week ago

[steady otter]

And the best part is the replay in question is questionable while all other games played were totally carrying

[languid sapphire]

But I hold my lane 2v1 most time while making afus

[fluid star]

so does austin

[bleak sun]

Ok so how come you go down in os more than you "carry" is the question.

[languid sapphire]

No he will just turn off

[bleak sun]

reflect over that please.

[steady otter]

Let's watch glitter replay where I win 6 lanes with 1 gunslinger while having most afus.

It was 2 games before that kickban

[languid sapphire]

Then watch the other 20 u just make afus

[chrome harbor]

They just don’t like that they know you know how to only play to gain os but are choosing to not get the free wins and experiment

[bleak sun]

it's easier to bring 1 replay of your own where you actually did something and just remove all the remaining 20 that you completely lost.

[languid sapphire]

And team dies

[steady otter]

Lol but the thing is I carry like almost all games

[chrome harbor]

Guys if he wanted to free win he would just spawn in with 10 os and take their base. Why are you acting like he has to do that lol

[cerulean mantle]

we keep answering this, the way to lose os is:
no dodge
no avoid
no boss abuse
no party
no coop
no carry spot
don't play at full tournament level of focus

[chrome harbor]

Yes you can’t require someone to play at tournament level. It’s ridiculous

[remote portal]

i said i got kicked from their discord casue i'm a lurker no contribution to conversations gg

i've only been kb once and its from op karolson

[chrome harbor]

lol what

Required social interaction cringe

[languid sapphire]

Like u keep being tournament back into this
This is about your attitude to the game

[cerulean mantle]

oh i c my b. im even bigger lurker so I didnt see that possibility

[remote portal]

well i literally didnt do anything in that discord anyway i was just there to read drama op

[steady otter]

I should make like a discord stream and watch with u guys all replay that day. It's gonna be so fun because I was hard carrying all game.

[chrome harbor]

I never seen anyone make bed but except this xf he is innovating in glitters lobby. Watch and learn

[bleak sun]

Boss abusing has nothing to do with os, no coop? we ban coop in glitters for a reason, no carry spot who's fault is that so you admit he has no game impact ok this completely strenghten my point that he is infact doing nothing.

[steady otter]

No no I win 3 lanes Solo from x2 less mex

https://tenor.com/view/mind-blown-tim-and-eric-gif-14008041

[languid sapphire]

Then u afk for 3 game

[remote portal]

if he stay around the same range of os then he doing what his os says he should be doing

i've been playing ~40 os level for past couple of months

[fluid star]

dont be an extra layer of OS, just let os do its work

[steady otter]

I make air to counter 2 airplayer. While scale vs 4 scalers. Make porc like 6 pulsar. And make much gunship dragon etc

[languid sapphire]

I don't think u have listened to anything anyone has said to u x factor

[steady otter]

Exactly if u look objectively at my gameplay no other 50os would have made more impact at all

[languid sapphire]

We don't went an afk player for 20 min with a 25% win rate

[bleak sun]

I know lots of these players above 50 who actually try to win games

[chrome harbor]

He’s won 42% in the past month I think

[languid sapphire]

Sad

[steady otter]

That 8% is too bad for them while they have friends who actually have way way less

[languid sapphire]

I would understand if It was from 70 to 55 but he keeps trolling in most people eyes

[steady otter]

Also day I got banned and day before I had like 75% win but that gets ignored

[fluid star]

banned based on winrate is full gestapo i'm sorry

[chrome harbor]

Yeah I know glitters main with worse

[fluid star]

u cant do that

[steady otter]

@languid sapphire Austin went from like 65 to 40 why is he good. Or any other who dropped

[chrome harbor]

Yeah there already is a min rating and he is above it. If he losses too much os and is below min ok

[pearl bear]

I think most playrs just expect xfactor to win game, and if they dont, he must be troll. Thats how logic goes, because if you look at other players in lobby, they troll much more by those standards. Like making monospam for 40min but they considered nontroll gamers

[remote portal]

It’s cause ppl are viewed based on their peak os same thing happened with yudi when he was 40 os

Or peak skill level*

[steady otter]

Maybe we should ask what Os I should be for them to not be angry for only winning 1v3 solo. Would u be happy with my performance if I was 40os?

[bleak sun]

here's something I also noticed: How xfactors influence has gone in the past week:

bigfoot: made hovers yesterday and just walled off and didnt help team
Kuchy making air lab as a frontliner
zowmegood was playing project zomboid whilest being in a bar game:

These types of stuff are heavily influenced by him simply because people look up to him or see him as a friend.

[cerulean mantle]

I think peak os was right, ppl wrongfully think os = skill

[bleak sun]

There's an obvious trend going on here.

[steady otter]

Lmao choice my slave confirmed waa

[cerulean mantle]

I never started air lab on front

[pearl bear]

Ppl say nazism is concentrated in IRL players like Musk or Kanye, but in reality its a common player, a simple man, who wants to KB bcz butthurt

[chrome harbor]

I don’t think you can blame him for actions of others

[foggy cloud]

We have the same os and yet... i would bet that you beat me. About 100 times out of 100

[bleak sun]

oh I can for sure because that's what's being done right now

you have 1 troll it leads to 2 trolls 2 trolls leads to 4 etc. It's not ideal.

one has to put a stop to this so it doesn't continue

[fluid star]

purity spiraling hard

[steady otter]

@bleak sun Like what os do I need to be that u feel like my current gameplay is good enough

[chrome harbor]

And for domino I just assumed he was playing bad. Rocket hover in canyon is not trolling. People do it

[pearl bear]

Same as assholes replicate, dont be one yourself

[bleak sun]

This is not about os anymore it's about you not wanting to play the game we both know it.

[foggy cloud]

60-65os

[steady otter]

U said my win rate is too low so I must be overrated

[cerulean mantle]

then why do you keep bringing os up

[languid sapphire]

It's everyone if u can see it u afk make afus while team dies just to make afus then try to solo

[steady otter]

What does team dying serve me?

[languid sapphire]

It's a trend of all your games

[steady otter]

I don't want team dead. I want to play game

[languid sapphire]

Almost all

[bleak sun]

it strenghtents my point that he is losing more games than he won before.

[chrome harbor]

Maybe they’re dying because they’re lower os because he’s too high os

[cerulean mantle]

well make up your mind then

[bleak sun]

I haven't seen this issue with cheetah, tsyira, chevrolet, and other high os players

[languid sapphire]

Also because there 2v1 no help

[steady otter]

I never go afus without actually winning my lane and affecting neighbors lanes

[foggy cloud]

Just to put it into perspektivet. Xfactor has very similar playstyle to austin

[chrome harbor]

Tsirya is a strong player. But I still see him die early and ragequit a lot

[cerulean mantle]

thats mathematically how the balance system work you can read up more on it in this discord for the exact formula

[chrome harbor]

X factor on his team or not

[foggy cloud]

But People lovet Austin

[chrome harbor]

Yes bar need not be a popularity contest

[foggy cloud]

If you truly dont understand i will make a proposition

Why Austin but not xfactor?

[chrome harbor]

Because they like Austin and dislike xf

[foggy cloud]

I have watched enough games of both to know exactly what the problem is and why xfactor is worse then austin

[pearl bear]

What is it?

[fluid star]

i dont get it bigall what is the difirence?

[steady otter]

I think it's because Austin play front and therefore has more map precense while I also hold front but it's in team mates infrastructure

[foggy cloud]

Ill tell at a later time

[foggy cloud]

Na but its part of it

[pearl bear]

At 30k msg mark? XD

[steady otter]

Back spot is limited on 6 mex. While front has x3 mex. For 6 mex to have significant impact u need much afus. Even after like 3 afus u are barely catching up to front player mex only eco

[languid sapphire]

Op

[languid sapphire]

I have won game in corner and still have afus at 20min u just have no impact after 8 min

[foggy cloud]

I am holding a math nationals soon so ill have to go...

[languid sapphire]

That's the problem xfac

U have a role and u don't play it. It's nothing to do with meta it's a role in the map

[fluid star]

role bubbles are suggestions 🥷

[bleak sun]

if we didnt have role bubbles then we'd have more people making hovers and aircrafts in positions where they shouldnt be

SO closely rethink what you said please

[fluid star]

u dont get to say where they should be and should not be

[steady otter]

It's not necessary a problem. Because if I win my fronts at 8min. And get huge advantage I can always make more afus and if something comes up respond reactively. Making units on choke map like glitter can very easy go into feed and throwing the advantage away. So imo it's best to porc scale afus and get fighter screen. And then end game in T3 stage with behemoth titan. Etc

[languid sapphire]

I had a game with u 1 week ago where I killed your gs fast then I afk and made afus

Is that a team mate u went

No impact no even trying to help after that

[steady otter]

I don't understand what u saying. Are u saying u don't like ur own gameplay

[languid sapphire]

Front died and there his team lost

[steady otter]

As far as I can remember that game u never were breaching canyon. Nor having more impact than myself.

But to be extra sure ima check the replay

[languid sapphire]

Do that plz

[fluid star]

just let creative players do their thing and let os reflect their performance

I could easily make arguments that doing the same build on repeat is too predictable and thus trolling too

[cerulean mantle]

https://github.com/beyond-all-reason/Beyond-All-Reason/issues/3174

its literally called starting spot suggestions

[rocky storm]

i can prove that you have started air at front wut?

[cerulean mantle]

on glitter

[bleak sun]

so you support playing air as a frontliner?

[cerulean mantle]

I won multiple tournaments finale with air front

[chrome harbor]

Yes X factor actually made a point of this nuking Chevrolet recently and idiots in spec calling it suss. It’s not suss to counter a Strat someone does every game lmao

[cerulean mantle]

I do support it yea, if done properly

good luck doing it properly though haha

iirc apm beat glitter team on glitter tournament with air front open

[fluid star]

end result of all this policing winrates and policing how many afu you are allowed is just super dry and unentertaining gameplay

killing meta development and fun

[bleak sun]

at this point I think these people are paid actors ngl 😂

[steady otter]

lol that game duffy

its literally the kickban game

[fluid star]

out of arguments, back on hostility

[languid sapphire]

🤣

[fluid star]

plz call me more names now i dont care

[bleak sun]

You can't be serious here lol start front in op lobby you'd get rekt

[fluid star]

i got some ideas for front airlab comdrops

[languid sapphire]

He went into bomber 5 min in

[cerulean mantle]

https://youtu.be/IffZ5koEdrM?si=taPOXVwS_hCtThPB&t=14407

[languid sapphire]

And front lost to a 2v1 5 min in

[steady otter]

under my game sense that game bigallman was fine (i kill his lane opponent) but bigallman has his lasher and com afk in this spot for 1 minute (like 0 movement)

[languid sapphire]

Kucky no one gives a shit about 6v6 this is 8v8

[cerulean mantle]

imagine asking if I support air front on glitter when its literally the strategy I used in atg tournament to secure an early lead

[fluid star]

you try it, you win, you lose it was at least funny

[cerulean mantle]

ah my bad this completely changes the game, you see in 6v6 air front works but the addition of 2 extra player completly invalidates the strategy.

idk why were talking about this though I've never done air start front in glitter in public game despite what duxi says

[languid sapphire]

But then he does it on repeat like it's going to change

[steady otter]

#1372927243101274142 message@languid sapphire pls comment about this

[bleak sun]

instead of chatting here focus on your game 😄

[fluid star]

i'm really getting into devils advocate here BUT creative strats are often complicated and need refinement through many losses

[languid sapphire]

U know it's all about xfactor getting kick for trolling

[steady otter]

it never was but people continously came in to speak about it specifically

[bleak sun]

and then his minions come and try to remove kick banning like I said paid actors

[languid sapphire]

As he said it's refined lol

[steady otter]

blaming loss on 1 guy is also lame, when he had definitely his share of impact

other 7 player all play 0 mistakes no trolling waa

[languid sapphire]

We blaming one dude that does it on repeat

[fluid star]

the ban reasoning just looking thinner and thinner to me

[lilac cliff]

Maybe XFactor should ask for an exception in CoC because he too good?

Can we say a guy is notorious at disregarding teamwork if there's a 1 million message thread of people from different in-game communities coming in and saying he disregards teamwork? Maybe the current system is working after all.

[deft lava]

An individuals "take" on what is or is not the optimal move, does not make others takes invalid

[rocky storm]

we can curate our lobbies cause we dont like someone no? cause xfactor is a dick thats why everyone doesnt like him idk why its not valid.

we gotta suffer games with someone so dislikeable

[raw locust]

xfactor, to my knowledge, hasn't been moderated for disregarding teamwork

We've already established it's personal

[lilac cliff]

No, he was ostracized from team games.

[pearl bear]

i think most of this thread is a glitters inflated OS syndrome. you have players with 50 OS that dont know how to scale and hold at the same time, telling better players they played bad because they lost their own lane themselves

[languid sapphire]

look at that he played game and still made afus had inpact

[rocky storm]

nah everyone can scale in glitters meta a few months back was to giga scale

[pearl bear]

noone can scale in glitters

[rocky storm]

meta shifter to more agressive gaming

[steady otter]

it was just average game but i play front xd.

[lilac cliff]

Not applicable because the people accused of AFK scaling that some other folk want to display as an op strat we don't understand are nowhere near close to a positive winrate.

[slender bane]

Ban anyone above 30 os pls, all they do is "meta this, meta that"

[pearl bear]

i mean austin played the same, porced with walls and rattle and LLTs. other lanes got more pressure but it's on them they dont have walls and rattle DLC

[lilac cliff]

Who wants to play with a person that will:

1. Afk scale
2. Not help your lane because of AFK scaling and explain it as some OP strat, all the while pretending he some galaxy brain compared to you
3. Still end up losing the game

[rocky storm]

anyway i dont understand why players who dont play the map want to impose there opinions on how others should play the same map they play for months and the only map they play. i guess glitter mains dont get to enjoy the game the way they want. were just 3rd class citezen apparently. Since were so bad at the game we cant have an opinion.

[fluid star]

70% of eco spot gamers

[rocky storm]

You love commie so much von commet yet within 5 games lobby dies due to commie everytime.

[steady otter]

if i had same impact this game just spawn in back i would be kickban

[pearl bear]

glitter main should be a pejorative term tbh. you have to branch out a bit to see whats out there, or else this happens: good players getting shat on for playing well. i mean, a guy inventing hover play in glitters is the only player that can beat Trotski

but he's getting shat on here all the time

[languid sapphire]

no if u spawn in the back u would say i need to be on the same eco as front and afk scale for 20 min

[fluid star]

i'm trying to fight against specifically imposing rules on how to play the map

[lilac cliff]

Every player can beat trotski lmao, lets not get ahead of ourselves here

[pearl bear]

yeah? is that why ppl KB him or dodge for 30min and say they can't beat him?

[languid sapphire]

trollski lol

[fluid star]

hes not a troll

[rocky storm]

i mean start your own lobby when people have to wait a long time to get players that want to play the same way. You just want to play commie but dont have the patience to start a all commie lobby.

[languid sapphire]

he plays are good

[pearl bear]

trotski is a good example of stale glitters mentality. he's beatable for sure, but in most games they don't beat his SAME strat every game, because players can't adapt because they game years and years in the same hot sands

[lilac cliff]

How do you draw a line between imposing rules and teamwork? I don't think there should be lobbies where e.g. a boss says no commie but 10 players in lobby disagree with it, but if you want to do some strat and 6 players in YOUR team don't want you to do it then what?

[fluid star]

commie is now accepted as a seperate issue and if there are rules against it I comply

[rocky storm]

everyone just hi jacks glitters lobby and wants to play it how they want yet won't start a lobby with how they want to play the map.

[fluid star]

i just wanna say, I know him and he plays to win every game BUT in his own specific way of playing

[languid sapphire]

i know

[fluid star]

i dont agree with his way often but i'm not gonna judge it beacause os reflects it

[lilac cliff]

I usually don't want to be forced into a Trotski coinflip where I gotta pray that the enemy doesn't know how to handle his comdrop cause we lose otherwise.

[steady otter]

well ye back spawn takes longer to get online. obviously u dont want to spam mauser or something into starlight, or starlight into vanguard. need to catch up to tech of playing field.

but in return u now have a team member with x3 mex on front spawn who can do way more impact than on back spawn. so mastering bad spawn can give a huge advantage as long as front player is decent

[rocky storm]

then cries about they are being ostricized cause we cant enjoy the game with how they play. but i guess xfactor enjoyment is better cause he is a pro and were just noobs.

[pearl bear]

making own lobby should for sure happen more. i encourage it. but problem is you have a 20ppl friendlist and 5 are gaming and if you make a new lobby you are just alone there. there's a good chance you can't game with friends because there's JUST enough players to make maybe 2 lobbies but not at all times

[rocky storm]

it took a long time to make a glitter lobby like this

[fluid star]

and we all played a part in in not jsut u

[languid sapphire]

some impact is better then impact in 20 min

[rocky storm]

ye and we all played one way now you want commie. A lot of glitter mains actually quit the game cause of commie.

[pearl bear]

anyway, all this is very personal and i'm out. but currating players in lobbies isn't in competitive spirit, isn't even in RTS spirit for me personally, and even if godkin @grand mauve japps how some players want foam padded world,' he doesnt realize currated lobby is just that. foam padded world where Trotski and the likes can't come get his OS

[rocky storm]

cause you all kept forcing it on the lobby

[fluid star]

i'm fine not doing commie if ppl dont wanna commie me back its no problem

[languid sapphire]

we dont went commie

[fluid star]

but than if I get commied I have every right to commie back so rules should always be in place

[languid sapphire]

or hard commie take it as it is

[fluid star]

just copy what supreme is doing and always have it stated clearly

[languid sapphire]

commie almost killed glitter op lobby

[fluid star]

ive given up on this subejct a while ago anyway, you guys are trying to police other stuff now like how many afu ppl can make and what lab they can open

and those are clear lines I will not cross, its gestapo gaming

looking if ppl won enough matches and deciding based on that if there allowed in or not is like looking if genetics are pure enough to be citizen lol

[rocky storm]

if they want to afus so much why they dont make a afus party lobby. cause a lot of players whoa re on the higher end of glitters only dont afus for pressure gaming. cause dont need 6 afu to win game. Idk people play glitters op lobby to win not drag out games.

[fluid star]

winning strategy is the one that wins

get that in your mind and keep it there lol

[rocky storm]

ah drag a 20 min game into 60 makes sense.

[fluid star]

there is no requirement for winning strategy to make sense

there is no addons to this

[rocky storm]

ye i think im not gonna play with you all for a while rather play noob lobby than play op lobby for a while. rather play with noobs than play with someone who wants to drag out a game so i can suffer in the front.

[fluid star]

way to completely misinterpret my points

I will give you another example of winning strategy winning

if the most reliable way of winning takes 50 min each time before it wins, its still a winning strategy and possibly the most winning one

[lilac cliff]

You disregard any context around this, which is not a fair way to debate. XFactor was 70os due to 'using' his hoelander tool, after which he started deranking and is now in his own words playing 'just for fun'. The winrate gets pulled into the debate because it's XFactor's argument that what we consider trolling is just us not understanding how to play the game due to a skill gap, at which point it would be fair to evaluate that claim through whether that dude wins or not.

If someone is saying they have an OP strat that they play all the time that nobody gets, but they have like 30-40% winrate with it, are they just talking shit?

[fluid star]

this is just way too much stuff to objectively analize

you take too broad of a look at it

[lilac cliff]

Also, this is not a truly competitive RTS in an 8v8 format. We live in some weird area where normal/ranked modes are merged and I think most people play 'ranked = 1' so that there'd be some autobalancing and not really for the need for climbing the ladder. Many of the higher OS people do know that OS != skill and that tryharding 100% all the time leaders to suffer gaming and burnout.

[lilac cliff]

Well focus it on something more narrow then. Do you think people sit there as boss looking at everyone's winrate and kicking people below certain %? Because your gestapo argument could be interpreted as that thing but I never even looked at XFactor's winrate before this thread and I'm the one that brought it up here initially.

If he had a strong winrate with his strategy then he would be right in the fact that I don't understand what he is doing and that its OP. But we have the objective measurement of winrate I can accurately say his strategy doesn't lead to wins and people dislike playing with him and will avoid/dodge matches if he is in their team.

XFactor doesn't like that he gets kicked from OP lobby and just wants to game and not waste time setting up a lobby. Some other people don't like that XFactor plays an AFK 'strat' that leads to a loss, and I don't want to play games where I tryhard game for 40 minutes so mister galaxy brain can have 50 AFUs and then we still lose even tho we had eco lead.

[fluid star]

I dunno I will have to think more about it

[rocky storm]

why are you playing min rated lobbies then? cause that's what this min 20 lobbies are they are deciding whethere someone is 50 percent + win rate or not.

if you care so little with how people play the game just play those all welcome lobbies. But I dont see you in there.

[livid aurora]

For the "trotski" case, very early hard commie/funnel 2 gamers on trotski com drop at 2' in mixed lobby with <25 OS who don't even know what is commie, is clearly abuse even if it is "feasible". Make it 10 times in a row just lead people to ostracize trotski, i warned you about this, but your mentallity of "WIN AT ALL COST" or whatever just lead to abuse, the same as "hoelander/xfactor" abuse to grind OS with hard slave gaming. That's why some rules are created. The same happen with some game balance problem, like flag forbid, com trans nerf tweak, lolcannon disable in atg, widget disable (because unfair advantage), etc..

[pearl bear]

foam padded gaming op

[chrome harbor]

If we don’t like some things about the game, there’s no better way to make that apparent then to have it happen in games. We are the test case.

If t2 trans commie is too busted which it is don’t disallow it allow it and provide replay as evidence for nerf

[rocky storm]

pretty sure were letting it know yet not fixed

https://discord.com/channels/549281623154229250/1337861239526785064

[chrome harbor]

fix it coming. someone already confirmed in main chat they are nerfing commie. how tbd

[serene kite]

Skill issue

Only reason to be kickbaned from a game by boss is for being a dick or a troll

I have yet to see a boss abusing his powers even if he is abusing his powers just join another lobby?

[prisma anchor]

Btw xfactor just played a full game in our lobby and wasnt kicked because he actually was trying to win 🙂

[slate swallow]

https://tenor.com/view/beer-craft-beto-whirpool-happy-gif-12502711

@prisma anchor

[prisma anchor]

It wasnt even that he was trying to win it was the fact that he wasnt just afk farming all game

[steady otter]

so much praise for last game. If only I made afus stack we would have won. But I was like thinking nah we dont need comeback mechanic. Ima just listen and spam units like they want me to. tl;dr we got outscaled and lost.

[prisma anchor]

you didnt get outscaled your team was above in eco the whole time lol

[steady otter]

well then idk what happened because felt like we were behind

maybe bad unit comps or something

[languid sapphire]

apex had more afus then our team same with bigfoot at the end

[prisma anchor]

you did pretty good this game, the problem i think was that you guys didnt push out you just played defensively which you cant do if you arent afus stacking, you gotta apply constant pressure on glitters

if you afus farmed this game duffy wouldve killed everyone very fast i think

you set up loads of defenses and walls in your canyon which is basically accepting defeat at that point

you probably couldve pushed out against the lower os if you had more/better/more suited units

you did some really nice plays though it was impressive i just wish you tryharded more often

[lilac cliff]

Maybe XFactor got XFactored by his team? 🤔 🤔

[languid sapphire]

but they made units all game

[languid sapphire]

u too fucking goated white

[bleak sun]

Oh commie and troll gaming

[foggy cloud]

Jesus this chat

Trotski is a good player. No one is denying it.

Xfactor is a greatplayer no one is denying that

Trotski uses high risk high rewards strats. And some times communism low risk extreme reward

My take on game strategy is that anything that People are allowed to do should include multiple stress factors. Where they can get countered.

People get very sick and pissad of at going up against a strategy that they have no chanse of beating (communism)

With xfactor the problem is diffirent. He is a super individualistic karen.

[languid sapphire]

just have to say bigbaldman xfactor play glitter tonight and played it like a team game and still got to make a afus stack in some of his games

even bigfoot that last game made shit ton of afus but made units most of the game

[slender bane]

Yay everyone's happy again!

[foggy cloud]

I mean im down to playing with him. Like i said i dont hate him. I dislike his atitude.

[languid sapphire]

it did feel like he wented me died that last game

[grand mauve]

I kind of find it super rich that some people in this thread boosted themselves to 70 OS with a sub 20 OS partner communism play style with them effectively providing themselves with like a 50 OS advantage in non-competitive and glitters lobbies and then people caught on and banned that kind of playstyle because it’s inherently unfair to find randoms that have super low OS to boost you to gain effective OS on your team.

Because think of it if you have just some shitter 5 OS player giving the red player all their metal that metal isn’t being used at a 5 OS level anymore, which is what lobby is balanced at.

And then you have that same player diving from 70 OS to like… 45 OS now and also complaining that he gains OS (I have the logs) and butthurt that people don’t want to play with him when he’s just clearly throwing games to get back to an OS where he can play casually without manipulating the OS of lobby by using some random 17 OS boost cuck to attach to his lab to win games. lol. I think people have a right to not play with this kind of behaviour.

[old yoke]

I don't know, this graph is saying that single person kicks isn't a thing in BAR...

Your source doesn't meet your claim Sir. It also doesn't state which ones are custom lobbies only

[grand mauve]

There’s literally 25 OS wake of straight destruction he left behind from throwing all those games on random lobbies. lol

[old yoke]

To one of the various coop threads please!

[foggy cloud]

Xfactor is a top tier player tho. No matter what is says. And I say that about very few people

[grand mauve]

But this is exactly the behaviour being kickbanned and I think people should have a right to avoid that

[slender bane]

Bruh nez and nezah are different people?

F me for trying to shorten nezah I guess

[steady otter]

nah u can see clearly by hostile attitide that its the true and only nezah

[foggy cloud]

But yeah i know what u mean

[fossil parcel]

I genuinely love playing with/against Trotski cause it shows me all the different crazy stuff I could be doing to better my play (not even counting com drops and what not, dude just goes crazy with mechanics)

[old yoke]

I see that people got distracted while I was sleeping about individual actions(either at the time, or historically) instead of SPEAKING IN GENERAL ABOUT IT BEING OKAY or not

Keeps going me me me I I I you you you.

Everytime we do that, y'all make folks lose interest thinking it's a bitch session.

I can't even nuke the folks talking about others, because the folks being talked about are engaging and keeping it going, so I'd have to nuke both parties.

-# And then there's nobody left to talk.

[raw locust]

Actually, I've got no clue who nez is

[foggy cloud]

Dude you should spec some of PtaQ games. He is not as good as the absolute top top players. But his undestanding of strategy and mechanics is on a diffirent level

[languid sapphire]

come back at 30 k msg plz we will have an end

[steady otter]

i dont want to brag or something, but I reach last 3-4 ish os by playing mostly solo + basic coop. at ended up at 71 OS with 80% winrate over 50 games. if I wasnt done with the pain of playing, could even grind to 80 or 90 os at like 60ish os u reach a point u can kinda farm like infinite os, it doesnt really get harder.

provided u play min 35+ lobby

otherwise it always gets harder.

[bleak sun]

How much we at rn

Bar thread record?

[raw locust]

I get what you mean, but mathematically that doesn't sound right

[foggy cloud]

Yeah but at that point you have reached the sealing of skill lvl adjusted by os. Like you have 60 os players and you have holy shit 60 is players

[candid basin]

see: https://discord.com/channels/549281623154229250/1337861239526785064

[foggy cloud]

Im 40os mightysheep is 40os, we are not the same🤣

[bleak sun]

I was there before but this feels way more active lol

[candid basin]

oh ya homies are feeling attacked in here lmao

[steady otter]

but obviously I only farm os for top 1 all mode screenshot. it was totally not fun to play. thats why i drop os. obviously trying to lose os. but i wanted to make sure to never actively grief game. just play low impact spot, no dodge , no coop etc. ofc losing all games is annoying but at the end in bar u always end up at ur 50% winrate. just before I won way too much basically, also not nice for enemy team.

[bleak sun]

Trying to get rid of kicking banning system/rework it here whilest other issues in bar exist

Kinda funny if you ask me

[foggy cloud]

Dude just start drinking. If you keep winning drink more

Problem solved😎

[languid sapphire]

can confirm this is fucking true

[old yoke]

I think co-op thread was a slow several week burn.

This has been over a couple of days.

Setting this toy train back on the Christmas tree track.

XFactor, for the love of Poo, please stop talking about yourself. Let's talk concepts instead.

I liked the removing from house analogy. Do we want to consider bosses public lobbies to be a public space, or space owned by another granting access to folks as they are appropriate?

[languid sapphire]

i think supmere and glitter are banning hard commie rn not sure about ratato

[grand mauve]

There should just be a warning when you join lobby. Boss can kickban you for whatever reason that isn’t related to racism etc.

[steady otter]

I like to stay on topic, but I also have right to defend vs personal attacks. I recommend to just remove the personal attacks, then i dont need to respond

[foggy cloud]

Rotatoe has always mostly been free with the exception of someone actually Hard trolling

I saw very few kickbans when i played there

[old yoke]

I'll shut them down while I'm paying attention, but if both parties engage while I'm sleeping, I'll have to burn chunks of thread, you'll need to ask another mod to step in instead of engaging.

[grand mauve]

There’s also people that I kickban that tried to doxx me. Is that a valid reason to kickban someone?

[languid sapphire]

yeah ban them

[slender bane]

Please don't, we need to break the record of most messages in a thread, all the yapping and mudslinging helps towards that goal

[foggy cloud]

Sry you cant ban People for racism

[old yoke]

Are you asking under CoC (yes) or under some proposed changes? (It varies)

[languid sapphire]

me to mods i only see one colour

[foggy cloud]

I am 90% sure in the event of someone getting doxxed for purpose of harm/hate, it is ruled as a criminal case by EU law. But ypu should get a judge on that. I can ask a friend of mine for clearification if you want.

[old yoke]

So, stop while I burn some shit.

[languid sapphire]

dont burn my shit plz

i like my shit

[raw locust]

Pooman actively sandbagging the biggest thread growth

[languid sapphire]

fuckking pooman

[foggy cloud]

https://tenor.com/view/grass-mowing-grass-cutting-gif-26074152

[old yoke]

It's that or nuke from orbit.

We don't need folks outing who did what, because I was under the impression that this was in general.

[grand mauve]

I was just speaking in general until he started outing himself. Lmfao

He’s just outing himself to get the thread nuked wcyd

[slender bane]

What if both parties are not from eu? I have a certain discord to report....

[steady otter]

in general from germany stop coping or u might suffocate from too much

[foggy cloud]

Bring me the case. The guy is a french judge, he will have a far better undestanding of it then i can even begin to comprehend.

[old yoke]

Well, it's the original poster doing this to their own thread. Guess we're done.

Check out the pinned messages, drop in my DMs if there are other ones to pin.