#amd crash 7800xt with up to date drivers

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soft nova
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work around seems like it's real

soft nova
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yorrielba on the AMD forums is also having good results with the settings I posted to work around the crashes with the latest AMD drivers.

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He is thinking that it may have to do with anti-aliasing alone rather than all the settings I posted together and is doing additional testing. If he confirms that it is AA being on that is causing his crashes, I will try to replicate his findings in the coming days and post here.

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It would be nice if the fix for all this all along is to just turn off AA

tough plover
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give that man a medal! 🫡

keen stream
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and yes, i'm pretty sure I did play with multiple vsync params already in the past, so I'd also lean towards something related to AA (or tripple buffering - hadn't tried that either)

soft nova
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I'm leaning towards AA or the unit tracks. I plan to test it more soon, most likely this weekend. But I'm happy everyone else seems to be having positive results with the workaround. We will all be ready for the Redstone update coming soon!

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I have probably tested now over 20 hours of matches with no crashes (yes I've been playing too much BAR)

gilded star
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So i tryed turning off AA and unit tracks and still crashed all be it probably got 10 more minutes of gameplay than usual.

velvet wolf
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7900xtx crash log

soft nova
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Steady, try implementing all the changes I posted together and see if that fixes it

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AA and the setting I posted in here on September 22nd

keen stream
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Yesterday I played a 70min long game on supreme with mass units and it didnt crash 🎉

soft nova
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I played another 7 matches or so yesterday, no crashes. I’ve played 30+ no issues

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I haven’t experimented yet with trying to narrow anything down. I’m waiting to see if anyone else has luck, but Steady trying just unit tracks and AA and it not working has me on standby.

soft nova
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I'm reposting the setting that has allowed some of us to play crash free with latest driver.

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Underclock your card and implement the following

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In game:
Resolution- full screen
Vsync- enabled
Frame rate limiter - lowest setting
Anti aliasing- Off
Unit tracks- 1 or lowest setting

AMD settings:
Under Beyond All Reason
Advanced —> Triple Buffering On
AMD Freesync- Off

AMD settings under Spring:
Look under Gaming, to the right of Home in the Radeon menus. If you don't see Spring, you can add it. it's in your Program Files\Beyond All Reason\data\engine\recoil_2025.04.08\spring.exe. This will set it for the client I think. I added this:
Wait for Vertical Refresh Always On
Freesync- Off

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Also disable any other extra AMD Radeon features

soft nova
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Played another 10-15 matches this weekend. No crashes with the settings

wide grove
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I can confirm, no crashes ever since I followed these settings!!

tough plover
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I can confirm this
have had definitely already over 30 games without crashes

celest steeple
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Can you guys stress test this by running a replay or two of those massive 150-180 player games

sudden scroll
sudden scroll
keen stream
# sudden scroll Did you have any custom settings applied on your amd gpu setup? Still no crashes...

Still no crash and no custom settings except for the 'max frequency' setting that I set according to my gfx specs (2615mhz for my 7900xtx merc 310). But to be clear, this setting alone was not enough to prevent the crashes (before massdrivers' suggestion I was already using that). AMD default settings allow higher clock speed and it seems to be usually fine. But because my card is good enough for my use cases I configured it with safer values.

sudden scroll
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so in theory the only thing you have going on is updated amd drivers?

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i wonder if others could corroborate on amd having fixed their shit

soft nova
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badosu, I think you may have misunderstood Seb. If I understood him correctly, he is saying that he had a 'max frequency' underclock with the latest drivers and was still crashing. The crashing stopped when he coupled the underclock with the suggested settings I posted as a workaround. In other words, underclock coupled with new AMD drivers did not work until he added in the settings I posted.

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The same is the case for me. My underclock did not fix the crashing the latest drivers. I tired several times.

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my card settings for my undervolt are 1025mV, power limit -10%, max frequency is ~2250 on a Sapphire Pulse 7800XT. I generally run this setting for everything and experienced crashing with those settings with the updated drivers before I made the other adjustments previously posted as a workaround.

sudden scroll
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I see

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Thank you for clarifying.

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I'd love to get a 'silver bullet' solution here, that might not be optimal for any individual card but "resolves" for everyone, that's where I'm coming from

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We've been seeing this issue in ZK too (not me particularly, I just got communicated about it)

soft nova
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Fascinating. I didn't know it was in ZK

sudden scroll
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if it's appearing in ZK means its not an edge case for BAR (maybe), so I'd like to have an informative post in the official engine website

soft nova
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All I know is I'm a lot happier now with a workaround that actually works. I have no idea why this combination of settings has worked, but before I had to use old drivers. So I'm pleased it has worked for me and at least 3 others now!

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Sounds good badosu. I appreciate you guys popping in and talking about this still. We need to keep pressure up on AMD too.

sudden scroll
soft nova
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The 3 others I'm referring to had to input all the settings from my understanding. Unclocking alone didn't do it to my knowledge.

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I think there are others further back in this channel that fixed it with underclocking alone though

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it just didn't work for me

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or some of the rest of us

sudden scroll
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aight ty

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once you feel confident and are up to sharing a detailed step-by-step of the procedure I'd be happy to use it

soft nova
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Sounds good. I can plan to add a little more color to the work around instructions instead of just "underclock your card" and making it more procedural in general. I really should test out removing the underclock and seeing if the other settings alone fix it too.

soft nova
celest steeple
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Check here

soft nova
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Thanks. I just stress tested Project SD on June 28th 51v48v51 no crashes.

foggy drift
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So far it WORKS for me!😀

viscid crest
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So my friend has an AMD card, he reverted to the older 24.12.1 or whatever drivers, but his BAR still crashes within like 1-5 minutes every time. He doesnt use discord, but is there some official resource on how to play with AMD GPU or are you just fucked?

celest steeple
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Try this

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celest steeple
quiet ginkgoBOT
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technicolourdreams
Please remember that the <@&549291872192036874> and support teams consist entirely of volunteers, with lives, families, jobs and all that. As much as we'd like to be able to consistently stay on top of things for BAR, real life takes priority - we will get to it as soon as we can.

faint oyster
barren quiver
soft nova
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He played some matches crash free at 2x but it's too early to conclude anything.

worthy nymph
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God tier post, I've been pulling my hair out trying to fix these crashes. Lets hope this fixes it.

keen stream
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Sorry haven't had time to play that much lately and forgot to check the chat. But I can confirm that since applying Massdriver's settings, I've had 0 crash. We can exclude the undervolting / frequency capping routes as root causes, those CAN create similar crashes but then they typically happen in many games not just BAR like it is the case here. I have unfortunately not got much time to test but according to all tests done by people here and on the forum, AA 4x (or AA 4x combined with something) is very likely the setting that is causing the crash with drivers that are more recent than 24.12 (with these old ones, no problem with AA 4x).

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Something strange is that I never crashed while just spectating games which is also very annoying... otherwise I could just spec games with many players to test and do something else in the meanwhile, but in my case this never triggered a crash, not sure if it did for any of you ?

celest steeple
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It seems to me that antialiasing then maybe one of the central root causes. I think it would be useful to suggest to more people to disable anti aliasing completely and see if their experience changes, and if it's not then we're back to the Massdriver solution set

keen stream
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I'm gonna restore all default params, except AA 2x instead of 4x and report back

keen stream
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just had a 40min game with default amd settings, adaptative vsync and AA 2X: no crash

languid wyvern
deep pulsar
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if you're using one of the latest intel cpus, I had to undervolt mine a little to get it to stabilize.

sudden scroll
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modern alchemy

keen stream
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2 more games with default settings and AA 2x, still no crashes

pale zenith
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7900xtx oc

This worked for me using the adrenaline software, no other changes.

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soft nova
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In addition to Seb_Lz, plikcoogo and yorriebla have also reported that 4x AA appears to be the issue for them which is great news. I still intend to confirm but work has gotten in the way recently.

celest steeple
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@burnt escarp you have the most cursed amd card i know, can you try these and let us know how you make out

fleet monolith
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Extensive testing still required tho

fleet monolith
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Welp loaded a online game... and yea crashed

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seems to only work against bots not actual games agh

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back to backdating my drivers

soft nova
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theubiman, did you try turning anti-aliasing off?

fleet monolith
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no i didnt

soft nova
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Try turning it off or turning it to 2x instead of 4 or above

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It has helped some of us. If that doesn't work you can try the full work around settings I posted earlier.

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You can find anti-aliasing in the graphics settings in game. Let us know if it fixes it!

barren quiver
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Once confirmed let's share the findings on the AMD forums. Maybe they can find what the issue or difference between 4x and 2x is

sudden scroll
# fleet monolith Extensive testing still required tho

More than extensive testing, we require someone to assure us they are methodical and confirm the findings with a somewhat conclusive response.

e.g. tested this most simple settings change with many other significant variables changing and can confirm after xxx that this seems to be the most likely culprit

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most people have difficulty with keeping things simple and well structured in their analysis, so paying attention to this would help us making our case with more authority/confidence

burnt escarp
sudden scroll
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from what I see, we'll not get a silver bullet, seems like maybe we'll have to make a support matrix, e.g.:

  • whatever family: disable 4x
  • cards bla, blorg, blirgh: undervolt
  • whatever cards: no solution
pale zenith
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From my experiences it's been the golden bullet changing only this setting but milage may differ

sudden scroll
pale zenith
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Ofc, just giving my context.

sudden scroll
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in which circumstance we'd need reliable reporting on which specific cards are ok/not ok and the procedure for each.

soft nova
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Underclock your card and implement the following
In game:
Resolution- full screen
Vsync- enabled
Frame rate limiter - lowest setting
Anti aliasing- Off
Unit tracks- 1 or lowest setting

AMD settings:
Under Beyond All Reason
Advanced —> Triple Buffering On
AMD Freesync- Off

AMD settings under Spring:
Look under Gaming, to the right of Home in the Radeon menus. If you don't see Spring, you can add it. it's in your Program Files\Beyond All Reason\data\engine\recoil_2025.04.08\spring.exe. This will set it for the client I think. I added this:
Wait for Vertical Refresh Always On
Freesync- Off

celest steeple
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Yes @burnt escarp try this one

burnt escarp
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I've done all of this except the triple buffering

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trying it now

soft nova
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Had an hour and a half to test play and decided to test it differently. I kept all my comprehensive workaround settings EXCEPT for anti-aliasing which I changed to 4x. I played a one hour glitters 8v8 match no crash. It doesn't mean much yet got to test more

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But I gotta get some sleep and gtw tomorrow

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I think my goal will be to take away settings one at a time to see what ends up triggering it. If I can't make it crash with 4x AA, I'll take away triple buffering next

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I lost the glitters match too :{

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or im sorry it was smolders

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but yeah

fossil tulip
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I did testing when the issue was first reported and found that the maps might make a difference. Some would never crash when others would always crash at some point.

midnight pelican
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Strange, I have a 7900XT and going to 2X AA in the game solved my constant crashing issue.

small sigil
soft nova
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ok 3rd 8v8 I crashed with 4x AA. I had all other work around settings enabled!

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so yes truly looks like AA is a huge factor here

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I'll try 2x next. Has anyone tried 8x AA? I'm curious if it's only 4x

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4x AA is bad for AMD users!

midnight pelican
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I only tried no AA, 2X AA and 4X AA. I only had crashes with 4X. 8X AA is overkill but will try this weekend.

rough pier
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Even though I use completely different settings to the ones in the pinned post, disabling AA has seemingly fixed the crashes for me, on a 7900GRE. 8x and 2x were crashing, did not test 4x.

soft nova
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Tested 2 matches 2x AA no crashes

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more to come in coming days

soft nova
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tested several more matches 2x AA no crashes

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going to set all other settings to default next

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and keep AA 2x

lusty widget
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So what AA settings are good for AMD gpus on the newest drivers? Im on a 7900xtx

fossil tulip
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I have been using no AA and it has been ok so far. Can honestly barely tell its off anyways due to to how often you are zoomed out.

soft nova
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Played more at 2x AA yesterday and seems rock solid.

soft nova
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2x AA still stable after a lot of matches good to go!

sudden scroll
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@burnt escarp You tried this one no? Maybe there was some driver update?

burnt escarp
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Oddly enough I still crashed with AA disabled, but haven't crashed with triple buffering enabled

sudden scroll
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They have reported 2x AA

sudden scroll
celest steeple
elder owl
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wanting to update my drivers since it's causing crashes on other games but I am stable in BAR with the above driver version

soft nova
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Ornj, try updating to the latest AMD drivers and setting anti-aliasing in game to 2x or off. Having it on 4x AA causes crashes for a lot of us.

burnt escarp
burnt escarp
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Nevermind, I crashed two hours after posting this

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With AA disabled and triple buffering on, I haven't crashed. With Triple buffering and x4 AA crashes are reduced, but still occur

elder owl
soft nova
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triple buffering is in your AMD settings for Beyond All Reason. Find Beyond All Reason, look under advanced, and then select "On" by Triple Buffering

celest steeple
midnight pelican
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I ll try that

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I'll try with 4x forced in the drivers

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I'm trying with those settings for now

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AA deactivated in the game

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Triple buffering ON in the drivers ...

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Forced AA doesn't seems to be working

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burnt escarp
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Didn't crash during BPL with AA disabled and triple buffering on

midnight pelican
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I just crashed with forced AA 4x in the drivers .... even if it did not seems to be working ingame.

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Removing the forced AA 4X from the drivers and going back to 2X ingame

fleet birch
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chimming in , since switching to 2x I have a total of 1 crash
and that one wasn't even gpu related

gloomy wigeon
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omg, i thoughtthere was an easy solution forthe crashes

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i get 1 every hour and a half or so

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usualyl was a game freeze, now its a computer freeze

celest steeple
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Seems the surefire method is to disable all AA and enable triple buffering in adrenaline for BAR

gloomy wigeon
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i had no crasehs today, updated the amd card to newest driver

soft nova
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Yeah disabling AA and triple buffering seem to be sure fire. 2x AA fixes it for me it seems but good to have that extra insurance

sand verge
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I have had the same results. Disabling AA seems to have worked.

heavy copper
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"Hardware antialiasing may cause driver timeouts on AMD GPUs of the RX 6000 and 7000 series; this is a driver bug AMD has yet to address"

This matches the observations made in this thread

midnight pelican
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Oh btw when trying forced 4x AA on the drivers .... it seems the AA was not working but I had a crash anyway ....

ocean obsidian
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im having the same issues but i dont know how to disable them where would i find this

celest steeple
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start a game then go to graphics tab in settings then disable anti aliasing

dire valve
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Remarkable effort in tracking down AA as a huge culprit and also for the triple-buffering hint! Kudos to whoever spend that much time.

So for the records:

RX 7800 XT

  • 2AA
  • tripple buffering
  • driver version 25.11.1

Has been running perfectly for me since i started testing like 1-2 weeks ago. Zero crashes.

soft nova
tepid shale
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I'm guessing this is the same problem for me, running 7900gre

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how does one even change AMD settings, apologies I'm on par with boomers when it comes to tech troubleshooting

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it crashes so badly to the point I can't even get into bar to change bar settings

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so no idea what I can do atp

sand verge
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I had to fresh install BAR then was able to get into settings before it would crash on me.

tepid shale
sand verge
tepid shale
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gotcha, i'm just dumb

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never tweaked in settings lol

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thanks

sand verge
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np, hope it works out for ya

celest steeple
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Gentlemen, it is with some fanfare and some sadness that I unsubscribe from this thread, as I purchased a 90-series Radeon card today, which as far as I know has no such OpenGL crash issues. I bid you all farewell (for now) 🤘