We Will Become A Laughing Stock Moderation Rant

[night flicker]

Too lazy to write something well suited; I just copy paste via images what I wrote. You can use chatgpt translation via just inserting the screenshots.

BAR is pathing towards a self destruction
Let me get this straight BAR is an amazing game;
An open source project success;

However, this level of moderation gives BlueSky vibes; which is just a joke.

[heady tangle]

@night flicker Sit.

[valid prairie]

As per the code of conduct if you wish to appeal a moderation action you are entitled to do so. Please write/include all pertinent and relevant details for the review team here. They will respond after reviewing it, please be aware reviews are performed as and when time is available and requesting it be done faster except in the most obviously incorrect of cases (e.g. we got the wrong person) is not going to help your case. Please also ensure you leave your ingame name.

An appeal is not a replacement for improving your behavior. If your appeal is successful, your sentence is suspended - if you re-offend after a short period of time, we will apply a stricter suspension next time and will be much less likely to accept another appeal.

What constitutes a good appeal?

To maximize the chances of a positive review, an appeal should include several essential elements. It should provide comprehensive information about the incident, including a clear admission of any breaches of the Code of Conduct, acknowledgment of wrongdoing, and a sincere apology. Appeals written using chatbots are generally not well-received, as moderators appreciate genuine, human communication. The use of chatbots may be interpreted as a lack of respect. While it is acceptable to use AI tools to improve language proficiency, the initial version of the appeal should be personally written.

Privacy

We consider your ticket to be a place for a private conversation between you and the moderation team. We try to be professional and respect your privacy, though of course your appeal may be shared with other members of the moderation team as necessary for processing it. We also expect the same of you - publishing details of that conversation in public spaces violates our trust and may impact the result of your appeal.

[onyx breach]

Privacy

We consider your ticket to be a place for a private conversation between you and the moderation team. We try to be professional and respect your privacy, though of course your appeal may be shared with other members of the moderation team as necessary for processing it. We also expect the same of you - publishing details of that conversation in public spaces violates our trust and may impact the result of your appeal.

[night flicker]

It's just my barking; no input from mods

[ebon wagon]

transparency is key

this is also why im asking for more explicit wordings in moderation channel

[ebon wagon]

Im curious if you have gotten banned if you didnt say 'sit' and not tried to kickban, ie letting him dgun your shit

that would be the icing on the cake 😄

[west iris]

Laudy let's be real, it's about time you get a moderated for building t1 converters with afus.

[ebon wagon]

plenty space to place t1converters, why in greens base? This is why you got banned

[pallid epoch]

didnt even get banned, got warned.

a minor slap on the wrist, for being a cunt. Seems like moderation is working as intended

[night flicker]

Should being a cunt be punisheable though

[night flicker]

eww

[pallid epoch]

thats literally the point of moderation

to moderate the amount of cunt we allow

[ebon wagon]

treat ppl like you want to be treated, and no you dont wanna be treated like a cunt 😉

[night flicker]

Well, still, that should be done by the players

[ebon wagon]

players has no power of your behaviour, thats the moderators

[plain quest]

It was, they reported you?

[ebon wagon]

thats where green had enough

this is definitely CoC worthy because there is plenty space for t1 converters OR making t2 converters at home

you are forcing green to make his afus/converters in YOUR base, as thats where the free space is

[night flicker]

Yes, but should be handled inside of the game - nor ever reach out outside

[night flicker]

How come I can play like this 1000+ games

placing converters in same exact spot; and noone gives a shit but this cunt

[onyx breach]

There is always a first time

[ebon wagon]

common sense bruh

[night flicker]

Well, he dgun-ed my base - and lost me the game

[plain quest]

It was handled inside the game, they reported you ingame, and you got moderated - and its only a warning

[plain quest]

What happens in other places is not relevant to this place, they have their rules, this place has its.

[night flicker]

well, then the moderation is malfunctioning, because this should never get punished

[plain quest]

https://tenor.com/bbqfb.gif

[night flicker]

Indeed.

[onyx breach]

Bro… He got punished, you got punished, everything is working fine

[ebon wagon]

the reason you are placing converters in greens base is you wanna leave the free space between you-green untouched for future expansions, its a sort of greed

[night flicker]

He got punished for reverse griefing even though he was the one griefing

[onyx breach]

https://tenor.com/view/minions-ehh-no-nope-despicable-me-gif-14678187

[west iris]

was making juke
it's fine CoC allows to steal other people mexes (first to build rule) but you can't build outside imaginary boundaries it appears

[night flicker]

giga questionable as well

[onyx breach]

https://tenor.com/view/baby-reading-exhausted-babymila-ellenfamousbaby-gif-11784816

[ebon wagon]

how did him blowing up a few t1converters lose you the game? All you did was make figs

[night flicker]

if ur not taking ur mexes outside of the 3 starting; u should not be allowed to get any right towards the rest

[onyx breach]

Real footage of you reading the CoC

[night flicker]

Because I had a plan to win the game; check my other games

[heady tangle]

what did laudy do except tell the guy to sit?

[night flicker]

The whole moderation approach in BAR is beyond garbage and should be reduced to ashes. We are not random Bluesky wanna be safe space of WOKE doggos

[ebon wagon]

make figs, then did an awful bombing run then game over

[night flicker]

It's not cool; it's not welcomed; people dont like it; had no results in last 5 years; community is still toxic; provides little to 0 value

[plain quest]

I like it, and i welcome it

[west iris]

telling people to sit is a line ive never crossed myself

[heady tangle]

I mean for getting dgunned

[ebon wagon]

the dgun was for having t1converters in green base, it cost him like 100 metal total

[night flicker]

well, such a good game being stuck as this "number" of people; mainly consisting of eternal addicts is not really good outcome, or?

[heady tangle]

I cant see from the ss if thats green base or not

[onyx breach]

Hey, if there were less people like you maybe the community would be growing

[plain quest]

I do not think the current moderation system is the reason the game isn't exploding. Nor could it explode, even if we had the player numbers, due to technical limitations.

[ebon wagon]

if laudy keeps building t1converters in wrong place thats on him

[night flicker]

I think I have been good boy for most of my games; and I played a lot.

[ebon wagon]

nothing more to see here

[plain quest]

Not that its a point anyway, this isn't a profit driven project

[night flicker]

Perhaps your approach to moderation is the reason why I am going insine

[plain quest]

Sounds like you should do some inward reflection

[heady tangle]

converters dont just cost 1 metal each, the energy, bp and if they all blowup, the inevitable excess should be accounted for, but thats beside the point laudy show screenshot of where youre building

[night flicker]

I believe that lobby was giga trash; and it was the best at that hour

[onyx breach]

Good boy moments -> #1341711900408545331 message

[ebon wagon]

#1341711900408545331 message #1341711900408545331 message

[night flicker]

Well, yeah - I have been good boy for quite long time

[bright badger]

I mean, the problem is that you are unable to put yourself in the shoes of someone else getting his buildspace and base filled with converter.s..

[heady tangle]

I Dont even know anything youre so zoomed i

[ebon wagon]

thats max zoom out 😄

[heady tangle]

wat

[onyx breach]

He queed even more converters

[night flicker]

Why should I put myself in shoes of random? Most dogs in our lobbies never gave a shit

[heady tangle]

whats queued dont matter, whats built matter

laudy show picture rn

[ebon wagon]

those 2 images shows the story

[bright badger]

so now, you know why you are moderated, you don't give a f**k about other ppl playing the game and complaint about it when someone dare to recall that to you

[onyx breach]

It shows intend

[night flicker]

Well, what I find interesting is that the guy had the need to dgun my e convertors just to build nothing in there

[heady tangle]

oh I kept clicking the fully zoomed in one

[plain quest]

Let me just wave my arms around infront of your face, but complain if you push me - are you a child in a school yard?

[night flicker]

Anyway, this was more of rant about questionable BAR moderation

[heady tangle]

honestly seems like nothing wrong at the time of making them but if this went on to multi afus stage you would have been smart to reclaim at least the right half

[plain quest]

Yes, but your ramblings failed to even remotely have a cohesive point

[bright badger]

@honest badger you can close this, it's a ranting thread, nothing suggested, nothing constructive, so nothing to do in the suggestions IMO

[ebon wagon]

if you do this t1converter placement in 1000 games, ure bound to find at least one who dguns it

[night flicker]

Reduce the moderation system

[night flicker]

It's random handless dog

[plain quest]

Learn to be a better human, and maybe stop infering people are pets

[ebon wagon]

if you place your t1converters in better places you get dgunned 0 times

[night flicker]

in a random low lobby that just happened bcs eu hours giga weak

[night flicker]

people are animals who act as animals

[bright badger]

change your attitude toward other ppl, you arent going to pierce the wall of your neighbors in real life to install your kitchen in their appartement, why are you doing this online ?

[night flicker]

that place is unused in nearly every game

and is widely used for building t1 converters

and not just by me

[ebon wagon]

kinda depends who is playing corner, chisato would easily use up all that space, if you then place t1converters there long before he got afus, it would be a funny discussion between you two OR he starts placing afus in your base

[night flicker]

Not a single game I had anyone complaining about them, but this guy.

[ebon wagon]

no complains doesnt mean its not wrong thinking

[heady tangle]

I've never really been a fan of the respect other peoples space rule tbh

like if youre not activelly trying to wall their lab production or sabotage their layout by building converter next to their afus or something. is there even an issue?

[ebon wagon]

you have plenty space to place em, like the mountains, place conturrets there + aircon = same result

[night flicker]

It's just bar moderation does not know boundaries

[honest badger]

I think there's something to be said about the blind spot in the game design that naturally creates these points of friction between players.

Saying "moderators, handle it" is a Band-Aid solution. I believe it was chosen because otherwise we would have to resort to Major intrusive gameplay alterations that reduce toxicity at the cost of individual player agency.

A few times, the gdt has reaffirmed their position that player agency is to be respected and teamwork as a skill expression.

[heady tangle]

it makes sense to use the canyon side to build eco there as its safest from bombers and lolcannon

[ebon wagon]

in a high os game no, in low os its just a different game of sim city

[night flicker]

The player got instantly kickbanned after the game without me having to bark about anything

[honest badger]

@night flicker although your message wasn't presented politely, there is merit to it and it's something I think a lot about. Next time you comments about such a hot issue, maybe don't do it in the form of a rant because people will sling tomatoes and nothing gets done.

[night flicker]

Spects did it all for me;

[ebon wagon]

you could pull the extreme: why didnt you make t1 converters in his base? Like around wind turbines or right side of his base or behind? Why not closer? If its space you want why not be more extreme, one reason: you cant then you get banned faster

[night flicker]

It's more of a showing that there are cracks; but I find it hilarious that people go into DM to share that they are unhappy with the moderation, but are scared to share their "feelings" here

[night flicker]

Because that would hurt my chances of winning

My isolated convertors were increasing the chance of winning

[ebon wagon]

going only figs hurt your chances of winning, its not placement

[bright badger]

but, just play alone then

[night flicker]

if u think I would go for figs u have never seen me

[bright badger]

go to 1v1 if other ppl wanting to play the game is an obstacle to your win

[night flicker]

I think ur having issues

[honest badger]

These angry moderator suggestions never seem to go anywhere. I haven't figured out how to handle them quite yet. They are like, 90% angry rant and 10% suggestion much of the time. And the moderation team doesn't seem too interested in the suggestion part.

[ebon wagon]

what you did here is just pull the 'just outside extreme' case of placing t1converters as close as possible without getting insta banned, now you know its too close and back it up a bit without any risk of bans, its that simple

[night flicker]

Well, how do you want to go about it. It's never going anywhere.

[onyx breach]

Appeal and shut up

[night flicker]

There should be a poll in regards to moderation or some type of checking public's opinion out

[onyx breach]

This is what Overwatch is for

[night flicker]

I find it hard to believe that the current moderation would get even 50% support

[honest badger]

Explain

[honest badger]

There is a general distaste among all the developers for democratic decision making. The organization is hierarchical with decisions made by responsible people identified for their role.

[onyx breach]

Overwatch are regular people
Not some kind of elite or devs
They represent the puplic opinion

[heady tangle]

issue is that, IRL, people elect their overwatch equivalent, in bar, you get what you get

[night flicker]

Well, how is such a well made game stuck as this low number of players when every other game is basically trash in relative to BAR

[heady tangle]

so the overwatch dont represent regular people, they represent themselves and it creates a dichotomy as seen by all these rant threads

[night flicker]

we get huge inflow of newbies - yet we fail to keep them going

There is something amiss

and I blame - fully believe I am right - the strict moderation

[ebon wagon]

well you could start by not making t1converters in noobies bases 😄

[plain quest]

Maybe its something to do with experienced players bullying them by building next to their bases, then calling them dogs and telling them to sit

[bright badger]

i couldn't say that better lol

[night flicker]

The strict moderation does not go well in gaming world; not even Chinese League of Legends punishes players for most "crazy" things that you get banned for on European West servers

[honest badger]

Marketing probably. Followed by a really bad first time player experience.

[heady tangle]

calling them dog and telling them to sit is bullying but building converter close to their windmill is at best filtering them for whats to come

[night flicker]

I keep getting complaints about BAR moderation ever since I joined the BAR

[ebon wagon]

you started this game by telling a guy hes a hater :p

[rapid imp]

Are they from Laudy2, Laudy3 and Laudy7?

[night flicker]

Even the day I decided to join bar it was people telling me how fun it is to watch moderation chat every morning

[onyx breach]

Well murderers also complain about the government…

[night flicker]

Would most politicians be allowed to play this game for longer than a 3 months?

[bright badger]

you should maybe change your frequentation, because there is a lot of player playing bar that never ever write smth on the discord, maybe the majority (and they rarely get moderated lol)

[night flicker]

Have you seen chinese players complaining?

Have you? have you checked their stream?

[honest badger]

What would be the best format for me to present valid concerns from players to the OverWatch bros?

[night flicker]

When there was the trailer - we could see in noob lobbies people by default going mental. Then the moderation bot started going off EVERY SINGLE DAY

We had like 1400 players active every peak hour

I had not seen people complaining about anything but moderation

in that trailer frenzy

[heady tangle]

dont present it at all, valid concern regarding the moderation is frowned upon because of who it originate from

[night flicker]

Moderation is crushing this game's potential; and if you don't see it - you are a problem

[heady tangle]

moderation isnt that much of an issue, it's got its flaws but it'S doing its job, it will get overwhelmed on steam release and then changes will happen

[west iris]

better do the changes before getting rekt on reviews folks

[honest badger]

Too broad. Not actionable. Advocating for more anarchy on vague terms won't go anywhere.

[plain quest]

but also don't spend time on things which aren't needed YET

No point preparing a moderation team and system for steam, 2 years before we are even remotely in a position to be on steam

[honest badger]

What if a rule that the moderator team thinks is a great idea is actually stupid as hell? Nobody gets everything right all the time. Sometimes developers can end up with echo Chambers and it's good to have checks and balances for that.

[night flicker]

Show us the way then; how should the community approach this

[plain quest]

That effort comes at the cost of other things - its not free, it all has opportunity cost

[bright badger]

I don't get it, BAR gice you the freedom to build anywhere, the CoC say just, "avoid to build to close to other ppl places because everyone needs to play the game, it's not just you, be careful of others" and you complain because you just ignored it. I mean, a player felt so constrained by your abusive construction that it decided to expose himself to moderation (wrongfully, he also got punished) to stop you. What do you don't understand ? It just a warning, a recall to not do that again... so don't do that again ?

[heady tangle]

oof that definitely doesnt ring a bell

[honest badger]

I don't have a big plan yet. Still cooking. What I do know is that identifying specific rules that might be bullshit and not trying to hide what naughty actions you did that resulted in you getting moderated by it usually yields better results.

[plain quest]

There have been various changes to moderation following suggestion threads and improvements since i got here but they start with constructive threads, not rants about people not being allowed to bully people

[night flicker]

There were like 20 movements in last 2 years to put moderation to its knees and all of them are bye bye; and it's not a bye bye from community but from the top

[plain quest]

Recommending going from moderation to zero moderation isn't a reasonable sugguestion - lot of people disagree with that as an option

[honest badger]

This is a fine requirement. It has to be presented constructively otherwise it gets closed to prevent the tomato throwing.

[west iris]

well if you people get moderated for saying sit and building t1 converters then it's gonna be hard time

[heady tangle]

seems like the line was drawn to the fact that the player being told to sit was new

[night flicker]

Moderation only got stricter and stricter in my BAR lifetime - perhaps the approach that you can go and ask for unban after some time was interesting thing... but still eh

[night flicker]

Not zero;

[heady tangle]

you can still tell me to sit while building converter in my base and its fine

[night flicker]

if you tell people to k1ll themselves - that's a good thing to get banned for

[bright badger]

fine, for you it is...then what ?

[night flicker]

same goes for cheaters

[heady tangle]

its not fine for you, then what?

[honest badger]

Am I understanding this correctly: the specific thing you take issue with is you would like to be sassy and spicy toward other players with language and in gameplay without being moderated.

Kind of like talking trash to other people in a modern warfare 2 lobby back in the day

[night flicker]

More free way of playing the game

I find gameplay too strict

[plain quest]

So the usual be tolerant of my intolerance to others?

[night flicker]

I have only reported spect cheaters or so I believe

after 3k+ games; and it was like sub 10 reports

[plain quest]

That has nothing to do with this argument

You want moderation to tolerate you being intolerant of others? (e.g. treat them with no respect)

[night flicker]

I want moderation to not stick their ass into how I play the game

You should not even dare to step over those boundaries actually

[honest badger]

That's a valid criticism. Some people enjoy games more when they get to dunk on other dudes verbally or through disrespectful gameplay. I have enjoyed that from time to time in other games. Being toxic is sometimes fun.

It's a double-edged sword though. Respectful people that find that distasteful will peel off the game and quit if they keep finding that stuff everywhere.

[plain quest]

Which in this case, was you effectively waving your arms around infront of their face, then being angry when they pushed you?

[bright badger]

what a suggestion ...

[night flicker]

In League of legends I can take Jungle camps; top camps; mid camps; bot camps and never get a single punishment for it

[plain quest]

Do we really have to have the "this my personal space bubble" conversation from primary school?

[bright badger]

Do we really have to take lol as an example ?

[night flicker]

That space is used 75%+ in op lobbies for e converters

[plain quest]

Please review this very detailed video on this topic: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N8tHDzxfLQQ

[plain quest]

Again - non sequitur

[heady tangle]

I like how this is the equivalent of telling laudy to sit but its all fine

[plain quest]

Its almost like the delivery, intent and tone are important?

[heady tangle]

and the whole point is that laudy doesnt want the moderator to moderate on delivery intent and tone

[plain quest]

and he's absolutely fine to hold that opinion and raise this thread, and discuss it.

But its important to note, this is not a government - there is no right to free speech, this is not a democracy, there is no right to a vote, but there is a CoC that requires treating your fellow players with respect

[night flicker]

You, as a player, playing to win is the highest level of respect you will ever get or give

[bright badger]

anyway, to play the game you are agreeing with the CoC and the fact that you might be moderated, you break the CoC you got warned. So open a constructive suggestion, saying why, what it brings to get a moderation your way, what is the added value and maybe you'll get listen. Otherwise, just appeal and don't waste ppl time.

[plain quest]

Sadly winrate and respect are not connected

[night flicker]

Not about winrate, but okay.

[plain quest]

You are part of a team, playing in a way which does not disrupt the team is part of playing the game

[honest badger]

Action items:

1. When a suggestion related to moderation is made, they must be constructive, transparent, and identify a specific rule. If they thread doesn't do this, I lock it and ask the original poster to edit his original post for his own sake to prevent tomato throwing.

2. When a specific course of action is decided upon by the participants, find a way to present it to the OverWatch team for review. Any willing participants can consider the arguments and push for change with the entire moderation team. That way we can root out BS rules.

[night flicker]

Using the most unused spot in the glitters towards getting an edge is not disrupting

[plain quest]

Thanks Seth, rippsy out

[honest badger]

The premise of the original post is too broad and this whole thread has being derailed from the start. I do not see this going anywhere. @night flicker I get when you started this thread you were feeling pretty spicy. Think on it some and concoct a more concise argument and start over with a new thread if you can think of a actionable premise. This one is just too broad and you'll never get enough support.

[night flicker]

wait a second before closing this

[honest badger]

Are there any concerns with this way of handling things? Anything that should be done in addition to this?

[night flicker]

Could you promote an idea of getting public opinion in regards to moderation? It does not need to be shown to public; I wish for mods to see how the public really feels about it.

[plain quest]

You'd have to implement an in-game survey system that only allows one vote, and it'd need to be prominent

[night flicker]

I have high concern that the frustration has reached too high level; and should be addressed - this is the friendliest way.

[heady tangle]

3. before closing the thread post the conclusion of the review from the overwatch team. that will prevent other too similar posts from springing up if the philosophy can be translated from one post to the other

[honest badger]

If I simply ping the OverWatch boys and get their overall perspective on the premise, does that count as transparent public discussion?

[plain quest]

The survey would also need to very carefully adhear to none-bias survey practices

[honest badger]

Like other areas of the organization, this would be hierarchical. Only people on the OverWatch team would really have any weight to their opinions. They have skin in the game

[night flicker]

uhm I meant getting "wide-public" polling/ perhaps a google form that could check multiple sides of the moderation approach.

[honest badger]

Good idea. Instead of trying to summarize it on behalf of the original poster, perhaps I should give them the opportunity to summarize it themselves.

[night flicker]

if this is what you meant - then I am all for it; I thought such things can only go through ptaq

[plain quest]

Yes, it would not need to shared publicly either, its just so the moderation team can get some feedback from the player base for the current perceived impact/performance of the existing and past systems

[honest badger]

This is super hard to do convincingly. If we advertise such a poll on discord then we only get our mostly competitive oriented discord bros. And if we do it on reddit, then we don't get the player base as a whole. And how frequently would those polls happen? Would that not be annoying?
Also also, the people that get moderated would disproportionately vote on the post polls while everyone else wouldn't give a care

[plain quest]

The widest "public" audiance is doing it in-game

[austere lantern]

Wait laudy you got warned for building to close to him?

[night flicker]

Moderation is affecting every single person in the game. Though.

Perhaps some link through in-game. or chat coordinator sharing a link or something

[night flicker]

hehe yup

[austere lantern]

That do not make any sense, i just had an admin/mod tell me space is not inhereantly some ones porperty

[honest badger]

Just for moderation rule feedback? Unlikely. However, as part of a general in-game polling.. I could see that going somewhere. I don't know who would volunteer to make it though. Would be super useful.

[austere lantern]

and now it is apparintly when it fits them? in my head that do not really make any sences he build nice and tightly to

[plain quest]

the desire for a in-game poll system has come up quite a few times, but no volunteer has taken it up

[honest badger]

In the meantime, the immediate solution is to have the OverWatch team opine on the subject matter in a public fashion kind of like how the mentors preside over meta discussion.

[honest badger]

Makes sense. If ever it happened, questions related to moderation rules and anything else you could think of could easily become a thing

Anywho, I've got to go pretend to be an electrician for a bit. I'll lock up the thread in about 30 minutes because at this point we've gone through phases of being toxic and off topic. Once again, think on it and if you can come up with a specific rule that should be changed make a new thread about that

[plain quest]

You'd have to limit it to once per quarter or something along the lines of a 'state of the game' or a focused poll on a particular aspect that wouldnt' be re-polled inside X time-frame. But that's all moot, w/o the features existance

[austere lantern]

please tell me the warning got appelad or im actully starting to lose faith in the mod team.... cause that is just backwards, cause i tried to pitch an idea to increass the size of the blocker of the starter area so people could not spawn near you and one of the reason they told me was that mex and space are not inherantly belong to anyone.

And sense you did not break any rules by building close but not right in his base and you build logic what rule did you actully break?

because at this point i am getting the felling the mod team are just doing.
"Lets slap a warning on both sides and not risk taking a stand on whats right and wrong, this should appease both sides."

For my case i over reacted to the moment i got griefed and trolled and in such regard actully broke the rules by reacting to what he did and i think that what was he wanted and i will not argue i broke the rules but in this case i cant see any rules broken for building "to close" to someone else. and if he D-guned you and you did nothing in respond why would YOU get slaped with a warning?

[night flicker]

I mean we gotta respect the work they are putting in. But - something - feels so fuckin wrong

It looks so good at a glance - but once you get deeper into it - it starts to get worse and worse

[austere lantern]

Sure i love the game and to be honest its amazing the community is really nice for the most parts.

[night flicker]

Also, BAR feels like a "BlueSky" bubble - a weird bubble inside of gaming ecosystem

[west iris]

im gonna dgun ur converter next time i see you and only get a warning 🙂

[night flicker]

Believe it or not; I would normally not give a shit

I started giving a shit when I saw the guy searching for a way to report after getting kickbanned by the lobby, which I found laughable.

A fuckin reverse griefing, my veins nearly popped

[austere lantern]

Admin Admin I COUGHT ONE!!

[austere lantern]

wait so he got kicked banned and YOU still get a warning?!

[night flicker]

I feel like moderation team might have marked me as an arrogant cunt; would not be surprised and this is the way of slapping my wrists. I do a lot of not friendly things nowadays. (last 90days ish)

However, being an arrogant cunt should not be moderatable. imo

[austere lantern]

there we go that's what i meant to say. and to be honest just cause you are not friendly do not mean you should get a warning, it should focus on rules last time i checked its not BARS job to raise us and teach us how to act.

[bright badger]

well it's game role to try to keep the game friendly enough so that ppl want to stay and not be disrespected by sweaty gamers, i'm out

[austere lantern]

Sure if you throw hate slurs and outright racist thats one thing but if i dont want to get Buddybuddy with some one or if i think he plays horrible and i do not hold back with my description of some one playing like trash or what ever, that's not the mods job to handle. but then again im all for free speech and that's the way we have it where i am from.

But i dont know now days everyone think they can decide what other people should say or not say now days.

[austere lantern]

Well i have seen issues with many high ranked people throwing a hissy fit cause people not following the "meta" and throws insults about people not being good enough and to be honest i think thats a bigger turn off than anything but still i dont think people should be forced to act any diffrent because of it.

if they want to play the game one way that should be there right just as i should have the right to play the game another way.

At this point it should just be called the etiquite police. 🤣
But before i go on ranting i just wanted to say that it feels kind of dumb that you got warned for just building "To close" to some one....

[night flicker]

Overall - I would say I am in huge net positive in terms to respecting players and making them "welcome" as a player

but whatever

I would expect to get moderated for my ingame "fun" comments but never for my gameplay

Just a shock

[austere lantern]

Still its a role that i think is just unesssary you dont see Caffe moderaters or that ever xD

"Erh sir you are actully not allowed to talk to your friend about that, people around you do not want to hear that."

[honest badger]

"should disrespect be allowed" is another question for the new thread.

[austere lantern]

Yhe true.

[bright badger]

you litteraly pushed a player to break the CoC with your constructions (that you did without asking for space or anything, you impose that to him lol) , then when he was angry, you told him to sit... i get that we can all have a bad day but then you came in public to complains about it... i'm not calling that being a huge net positivity in term of respect. But i get your point, but i disagree and i'm agreeing with Seth

[austere lantern]

But its not the other persons space

[plain quest]

and to be clear, especially regarding the comparison to games which are made for profit

The goal of BAR is to make a great game
The goal of LoL is to get as many players in the game buying skins as possible

So LoL's goal is to have a moderation policy which is to min-max for "just enough moderation to prevent to many people leaving from toxicity"

[austere lantern]

There is no so called "private spots" i litterly got told this by the mods

[bright badger]

that's not the point, the point is : let the other space to play

[night flicker]

I had not harmed his gameplay in any way shape or form.

[plain quest]

Thats clearly not how they felt, since they decided to report you

[night flicker]

That's literally breaking into the way of how people should play the game

[austere lantern]

So wait hes fellings are what sets the rules in this case?

[night flicker]

Moderation team should never cross this; NEVER

It's a disgrace and should be frowned upon

[austere lantern]

WAIT WHAT this is just getting out of the world with that statement.

[bright badger]

not that's litteraly the strict minimum the game impose : don't make your teammate feel like animals, you are free for the rest

[west iris]

People still don't understand that some players use moderation to troll other players and moderators siding with them is not good for the video game

[austere lantern]

So let me get this right the rules are nothing belongs to anyone but if you build to close to them they can feel like its there spot and the admins and mods will warn people for this.

WHILE the admins will also warn people for saying that THERE is private spaces and people should respect that?!

please this just dont make any sense anymore -.-

[plain quest]

and some people seem to be unable to treat others with respect

[bright badger]

i mean, it's not like the other hasn't be punished, and it's not like you can't appeal

[austere lantern]

Just got to say this in this case green could have FOLLOWED THE RULES, he could have talked to his team paused the game if he was breaking any rules vote to kick.
And if Laudy did nothing in respond to what green did in this case then he deserves NO WARNING what so ever sense HE BROKE NO RULE.

THIS IS WHAT ADMINS TOLD ME.

one sec i will get the CoC

[austere lantern]

Also respect should be earned not demanded, whats the value of something that is given freely.
Absoulitly nothing.

Commen curtisy sure but if you demand my respect, i will personaly tell them to earn it or F off.

[west iris]

coz saying "Sit" to someone is a problem?

[austere lantern]

Wait he got warned for saying sit?

SIT!?

[west iris]

we call people poop all the time that's more disrespectfull than saying "Sit"

[austere lantern]

I have been called so much fucking worse things by other players in games we HAVE WON cause i did not do meta stuff and my dude gets warned for saying SIT!!

[plain quest]

Respect as defined in the CoC is what applies here - that is expected of all players towards all other players, it does not need to be earned.

[plain quest]

Well that very much depends on context doesnt it

[austere lantern]

SIT when he just got d-gun is not an fucking insult.

[honest badger]

30 minutes is up

[still nova]

Bye-bye thread

[gaunt thistle]

just note his name down and kickban him for next year

[still nova]

Lots of conjecture, nothing really useful

[austere lantern]

This is beyond god dame dumb at this point if THAT is the reason he got a warning xD
MY dude got attacked and destroyed and he said sit in respond that is not allot against the rules?!

Im gonna rename myself SIT just cause of this. what is wrong with the name SIT

[heady tangle]

incoming forced rename because its offensive

[austere lantern]

WHATS OFFENSIVE WITH SIT!?! is there a hidden meaning im not getting here?!

[night flicker]

I have never done that

The only person I had a problem with was HlM, yet he only got blocked

[night flicker]

aight

[gaunt thistle]

i mean just do it

[austere lantern]

Sit as in SIT DOWN, IM SITTING DOWN HERE?

[honest badger]

Looks like you can make a new post about:

1. Adjusting the thresholds for what constitutes moderatable disrespect

2. Better transparency, including a suggestion for exactly how to feasibly become more transparent.

3. Better definitions for moderatably naughty actions in game.

[gaunt thistle]

snitches get stitches is all

[night flicker]

all I wish to see is to get public opinion in regards to moderation to BAR team

[austere lantern]

At this point the MOD teams need to be retrained on whats fucking offensive -.-

[night flicker]

This bluesky moderation we got here is just giga joke

[honest badger]

You have to be super super focused on a specific part. Have a clear path forward in mind. And whatever you do for the love of God don't s*** on the moderating team or the hate mob will descend on you. Lol

[austere lantern]

Cause holy fuck if someone gets but hurt after breaking the rule by being told to sit down, and i get a warning for that i would raise living hell xD

[gaunt thistle]

u can target kickban people for like 1 month in a row and thats not seen as inappropriate behaviour but making t1 converters next to someone is seen as such

[night flicker]

This is my 3rd post in begging to get public opinion in regards to moderation going

[rocky magnet]

don't sit on the moderation team

[gaunt thistle]

imagine if fauna told you to sit

[night flicker]

oh, gg; our main doggo <3;
Amazing work on protocol though

[austere lantern]

Well maybe the mod team has been sitting on there ass to much if they think SIT is offensive.

[honest badger]

Cook on it, maybe you can message me about what you come up with via private message before presenting to the public

[drifting pulsar]

imagine if fauna sat on you