T2 Cons should be able to make con turrets...

[tough nest]

Why is this not the case?

[valid portal]

Same reason why you can’t make a t2 bot lab with a t1 veh con.
It’s about having multiple types of constructors capable of making different buildings.
Why can’t Juno be built by t2 constructors is for the same reason.

[hazy oyster]

why is naval engineer the only unit in the game that can build naval mines 😦

[balmy meteor]

why can't t2 con build chainsaw

[tough nest]

Yeah this leads to games where you ask a teammate for a con, them not giving it for whatever reason, and causing fury in the game. Its ruined a few games of mine and its not from the players being a beginner

[sweet swift]

Can you imagine decoy commanders with naval mines?

[native gull]

Your t2 con can make a t1 lab, which can make a t1 constructor which can make nanos.

It's about keeping tools for specific jobs so you have to juggle more than one thing

[sweet swift]

Or rez bots only in the T1 lab. Forcing the lower tiers to still be relevant into the late game is a nice game balancing idea.

[tough nest]

Yeah exactly, easier to ask an ally.

[sage karma]

What about the proposed t2 con turrets?
As I agree the we shouldn't break the consistency of cons being locked at their respective tech levels.

[valid portal]

I’m pretty sure we have rejected t2 con turrets multiple times for the base game

[versed scroll]

t2 con turrets need to be more explosive to be balanced so they still chainreact

t2 e converters dont suddenly stop chainreacting, they just have more HP

[keen aurora]

balance t2 con turrets so they randomly explode

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[versed scroll]

t1 con turrets explode too, its not random

[worldly imp]

Almost everything is made of Explosium™ (with hardly any exceptions, things do death aoe damage).

[uncut temple]

T2 con turrets just need to have about the same range as T1 with better BP, that's all. Less spam, more RoI

PvE mode's T2s are just insane in terms of range, that's the only problem.

[merry abyss]

I think letting T2 cons make turrets makes the existing T1 cons completely obsolete. The exclusivity gives your T1 cons something to do.

[versed scroll]

i think it would actually be fine if t2 con turrets are less eficiant metal / buildpower have the same range and allso chainreact like t1 con turrets

[formal seal]

i disagree because the t2 con turrets are less efificient in every way; except BP density.
Density is only an issue when space is at a premium.

True; t1 turrets chain. You can put a fire break in there or space them out.
Also; you can transport t1 turrets for rapidly shifting buildpower.

t1 = 200 BP, 210m, 3200e, 5300t
t2 = 600BP, 840m, 12800e, 21000t

Comparing costs to achieve the same BP
3x t1 = 600 BP, 630m, 9600e, 15900t

It's almost like you get an extra T1 turret for the same cost ...
t2 range is a bit more. by the time you build those 4x t1 turrets; they cover almost the same range!

it's cheaper in all resources.
in the same way that AFUS offer an increase in energy density.
T2 con turrets offer an increase in BP density or the AFUS farm is at 12+ AFUS

a 4x4 grid supports and cost:
16xt1 = 3200 BP, 3360m, 51200e, 84800t
9xt2 = 5400 BP, 7560m, 115200e, 189000t

Given the arrangements of how players group their BP and the usual AFUS and converter farms. Also; given that T2 buildings require a T2 constructor. While scaling economy; 32 t1 turrets is more economy than you have for the first 8 AFUS .. by then it's late game.

It keeps t1 cons useful to build that BP.

I'd say that in almost all cases excepting where space is at a premium t1 turrets are a better cost option.

[versed scroll]

nah t2 turrets are kinda busted even, you can eat enemy units with them

because of the extended range