Eclipsed - Feedback and Critique Thread

[violet hound]

Version 0.8.1 has been certified and released. Please leave your feedback and critique here so that they can be actioned upon.

Current to-do / known issues list:
Water ramps currently not working as intended. They are traversable only by amphib (terribly) and bot units, and are not traversable by hovercraft. This will most likely warrant a slight redesign of game space around those areas.

Mexes slightly off center compared to map texture. I am currently working on an improved method to generate the metal map from World Machine.

Low ground texture overtuned in some areas. This will be tuned down when I next re-render the map.

Geo vent textures missing. I gotta find a good one to use.

Fern model issues that could result in aiming problems for some units, I need to replace these with the up-to-date version.

[violet hound]

FFA spawns are missing. I forgor to add those. I wasn't expecting so many people to want to play the maps as an ffa!

[sullen coral]

The square edges on the ponds look very unnatural. Any chance they could be smoothed out to make them look more natural? Now it looks like minecraft terrain

[fast saffron]

haven't played a match on it yet but it looks super interesting and unique. Love the texturing and blockyness around the hills. Looks a little weird on the ponds although I don't hate that

could benefit from geo vent texture too but that's a minor thing 🙂

if you're using World Machine, you can create the texture using geometry to make it consistent with the rest of the map, then just flatten it later. That's how I did the one on Angels Crossing

[violet hound]

do you still have the tmd for angels crossing? so i can steal i mean learn from it?

[fast saffron]

should be included in the sd7. It's a bit of a mess since that was my first time using WM and Beherith's templates

been a couple years but basically I created a big ol' crack in the ground on the terrain shaping layer, copy and pasted it to the other geo spots. Let all the following processing nodes do their thing and apply a nice texture, then flattened out the terrain for the final result

[undone cove]

Easy way to add geo texture is just by adding some detail texture there in springboard

[compact parrot]

any reason why https://www.beyondallreason.info/map/eclipsed does not show a minimap ?

[violet hound]

strange, the minimap should be on rowy

[violet hound]

figured out why minimap wasnt showing, i had accidentally uploaded the full texture as the minimap

I've already fixed it, the changes just need to be pulled in

[slim ivy]

Hello,

Im here to type my thoughts about this map - first, i think this map feels heavily inspired by starcraft 2 - not a bad thing, but the way the resources line up, everyone having a 'geyser', the main spawns being on a cliff with a natural expansion - very sc2

2nd, i think this map should be considered 2v2-4v4 at most, not 5v5. you cannot split the map evenly for 5 players (not really for 4v4 either, but i can forgive it for spawn stand point)
the bottom half of the map doesn't have a safe 5th spawn - you only have that upper left side for the 5th spawn, which exposes them more than the flip side

where as in the 2nd screen shot, the top team has a safer spawn via the natural of the 1v1 spawn - this is also ignoring that the top left is a double geyser spawn

if you decide to flip it left and right instead, you end up with 6 spawns on the left half of the map - 5 of them being safe, and the double geyser top left

where as you have the same mirrored problem now on the right side, that the 5th spawn is more exposed and less safe to capture

anyways, im not here to make specific statements on the balance of the map, just that i don't think you can comfortably 5v5 this map with how spawns work, so players should consider this 1v1 - 4v4 at most

that being said, i do think there's so much metal that you could even consider removing the rocks from spawns. it feels weird to talk about the macro when you have such a comfortable amount of metal spawns and 2.6's a plenty before you'd even bump into another player - and you can extremely easily reach 20.2 metal in a safe situation with double geyser

feels like when the metal is that high the macro matters less but i'm also probably bad at the game

[slim ivy]

matters less in that you can swap to conversion quicker. 20.2 metal is 80 metal on advanced just in the spawn.

in addition to 1200 metal in just rocks in your main + natural

[near sky]

Another person saying it seems inspired by sc2 when it's literally a brood war map remake

[slim ivy]

well, functionally the same idea. main base on a cliff, easy access to second, geysers on all

doesn't really matter if its sc1 or sc2 lol

but! played the game in a 3v3 setting. very nice map for it.

[violet hound]

thank you so much for your feedback!

with the preset spawn boxes, the intent for 5v5 is to have 3 players take the bases, and the other 2 to take forward mexes. the map is made such that games are fought SW vs NE

[violet hound]

Ive provided the extra save resources to facilitate a fast t2 or t1 timing attack.

[slim ivy]

I play the map 3v3 and it's fantastic btw

Oh I said that already. I just woke up and still thinking about how fun it was

[slim ivy]

Thx I will give this a try 🙂

[mossy sierra]

I'm happy to see your map is being recieved well. You had far more than your fair share of trouble.

[sullen coral]

I know your map was listed as 4v4. However, when I picked this map in 4v4 people were not happy with spawns and they decided to stop (after the game loaded).

[weak notch]

I'd say it is playable in 4v4, but players who fight for cornerns, have all the work, and midplayers are kind of in supportive role. Not much incentive to push mid, and also pushing mid you lose your maneuverability.

[sullen coral]

Thats not the default spawn

[sturdy tinsel]

This map feels like fighting spirit from broodwar, middle is really awkward and the water feels a little out of place, just makes it hard to maneuvre.
I think this map would benefit from either making the water shallow or just making it land, currently there's alot of awkward walking distance that feels shitty

[violet hound]

shallow water might be a good idea to try. I wanted to keep the distinct lanes to make it easier to identify key strategic areas to hold or fight for.

I also wanted to have a few areas where amphib and hover units can utilize their strengths

[near sky]

As a big fan of the map, I feel it might become my duty to defend its current iteration against attempts to steer it towards normal gameplay

That said, I don't think anyone is ever going to build hover on it

[undone cove]

Realistically you won't get hovers here

[near sky]

While I'm already commenting on it, I love the gameplay, but the visual part of it is very meh. I don't know if it's supposed to be final, but it just looks very bland. Having the halves be different like the original could help, but even re-texturing it with more detail I think could go a long way

[undone cove]

I feel it's a bit too big, rush distance is so long there isn't really an opportunity to use any slower units

14x14 with similar geometry would allow for faster scouting and more reactivity between playera

[near sky]

Slower units like what? Thugs? Welders?

[undone cove]

Plasma/rocket bots, janus, etc

[near sky]

See, that's what I meant when I said attempts to steer it towards normal gameplay.
I think a map without it that's based on taking expansions and defending pushes against them has a place in the roster.
People complain a lot about 1v1 games never going high tier, and this map allows for it without becoming a porc fest

[quick cedar]

Yeah i really like this map

it a lot of fun and plays quite differently from other maps, which is pretty nice

[slim ivy]

i think the map plays best at 3v3, personally. after trying 4v4, 5v5, and 3v3 - we won't be including it in our 5v5 rotation anymore. But it's great for 3v3, imo - 3 distinct mirrored spawns.