#BAR moderation should probably evolve lol

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wise dove
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I think moderating an old school StarCraft 2 legend with like a five day suspension on their first couple days of the game demonstrates the complete lack of common sense the moderation team has and highlights, once again, how moderation is a big reason that this game is failing to create a consistent player base of skilled players.

At any point a moderator could have just DM’d him and explained how certain things in this game are inappropriate and against CoC. I even thought that there was a “warn first” policy that was implemented (guess not) but yeah.

Moderation has been a constant gripe of players since the beginning and despite the few school yard snitches that actually enjoy complete suppression of certain words because “muh feelings”, it’s mostly used as a bludgeoning tool to target people you don’t like.

If only the team focused on making tools to reduce the amount of moderation reports, like chat filters and practical mute functions, instead of implementing completely useless game mechanics like vehicles rolling up the side of mountains (nobody asked for).

It’ll be interesting to see if Chris Loranger bothers coming back to the game at all or just moves onto the next game while he’s completely banned from even logging online to enjoy a game he seemed to be picking up rapidly.

ornate veldt
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wait what did huk do this time lol?

orchid crescent
ornate veldt
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Always was a big drama queen

orchid crescent
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I agree that old school sc2 legends should be above the rules and not be moderated like common folks like us /s

tribal maple
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Yah, high skilled players should be treated better than the average. They're much more important after all.

somber vessel
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sc2 players too used to slinging insults in 1v1 ladder 🤣 BAR moderation comes with a culture shock im sure

wise dove
grim garden
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Well you pointed out the fact that he's "old school StarCraft2 legend" as if it was important for the case, so don't be surprised people pick it up.

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If you can't lose without wishing someone else death then maybe you are the problem.

tribal maple
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It's very important that old sc2 legends get warned directly by the mod team that they are going over the line. They have no responsibility to read the CoC and adhere to it, until after mods tell them they are being naughty.

wise dove
# tribal maple It's very important that old sc2 legends get warned directly by the mod team tha...

Tough luck, world's not fair. If you want to grow the game then you should probably be cognizant of well respected players that played on an international level and are famous.

You know what else isn't fair? Some streamers get paid to play. I don't see anybody complaining that Grubby or uThermal got sponsored streams yet players like aRBaron or LostDeadMan never got a penny from the BAR team for streaming their content.

It's not all about being consistent. It's about marketing the game to grow the player base. Sometimes you bend the rules. I don't see the moderation rules being applied consistently anyways.

tribal maple
wise dove
tribal maple
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Yes, I know who he is. Did you even read what I said?

wise dove
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Just because you don't like him, doesn't mean hes extremely well respected in the SC2 community. I'm well aware of Chris and his competitive nature. I've met him a couple times when I was semi-pro lol.

tribal maple
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I didn't say I didn't like him. Seems you do struggle to read.
He just hasn't been relevant in 8 years.

inland trellis
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Chat filter and Mute function simply not working seems to be a problem with "can't" rather than "won't" afaik

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Everytime I asked for chat filter or mute being fixed they pointed me towards jazcash

hybrid summit
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I'm temporarily locking this thread as it's already devolving into a clown fiesta. We'll have a follow up soon ish.

Safe to say though, there are no multiple rule sets for different players.

hybrid summit
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Others have already pointed out the glaring flaws in this post much better than I could, but I will add a few points to the deconstruction:

I think moderating an old school StarCraft 2 legend with like a five day suspension on their first couple days of the game demonstrates the complete lack of common sense the moderation team has and highlights, once again, how moderation is a big reason that this game is failing to create a consistent player base of skilled players. At any point a moderator could have just DM’d him and explained how certain things in this game are inappropriate and against CoC.
Like I said above, there is a single code of conduct that all players must abide, no exceptions, regardless of whether they're previously famous for voidrays that were halluc or not. I would suggest that you open a suggestion to change the code of conduct, but I know you well enough by now to know it's not worth it.

I even thought that there was a “warn first” policy that was implemented (guess not) but yeah.
If you look through #🛡️｜moderation-bot, there is, but not usually from offenses in category C of the CoC, as you can read here, and you've been asked to read it multiple times in the past:
These items are completely unacceptable. They will very rarely result in a warning to start with and in some cases can warrant permanent bans from a first offence.
Moving on,

Moderation has been a constant gripe of players since the beginning and despite the few school yard snitches that actually enjoy complete suppression of certain words because “muh feelings”, it’s mostly used as a bludgeoning tool to target people you don’t like.

This is particularly hilarious given that you, Nezah, are actually one of our more prolific reporters every time you have a disagreement with someone. A bludgeoning tool to target people you don't like, you say? Look in the mirror, man.

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If only the team focused on making tools to reduce the amount of moderation reports, like chat filters and practical mute functions, instead of implementing completely useless game mechanics like vehicles rolling up the side of mountains (nobody asked for).

  1. Work on those features is ongoing (here's a shoutout to Devious Null, who's a badass in that field!)
  2. You know full well that this is a volunteer project and people work on what they care about. We cannot and will not "redirect" people.

It’ll be interesting to see if Chris Loranger bothers coming back to the game at all or just moves onto the next game while he’s completely banned from even logging online to enjoy a game he seemed to be picking up rapidly.

We actually had a very solid and productive chat with HuK in tickets, where he apologized and admitted that this wasn't okay, and stated that he didn't want to be treated differently. Before you start sucking up to someone or using them to advance your own crusade, maybe ask what they think themselves.

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More importantly, I will also point out one thing you've said, emphasis mine:

You know what else isn't fair? **Some streamers get paid to play. I don't see anybody complaining that Grubby or uThermal got sponsored streams yet players like aRBaron or LostDeadMan never got a penny from the BAR team for streaming their content. ** It's not all about being consistent. It's about marketing the game to grow the player base. Sometimes you bend the rules. I don't see the moderation rules being applied consistently anyways.

That is not true and just pure bullshit. In the words of PtaQ himself,

No creators were ever paid nor planned to be

So I see no possible reason for you to be spreading this misinformation but malice, trying to stir up drama between streamers. If anyone streams BAR, it's because they enjoy it. Since you seemingly cannot post without flinging shit at other people, despite multiple warnings to that effect, and given your colorful history with a past unban conditional on good behavior (for the curious, a 143830270922063872 in: moderation-bot search will do), we're taking this as a final straw and reinstating a full mute for you on this server. To quote the code of conduct, C2/C3:

Constructive feedback is always welcome; griping and complaining is understandable.
Constant unwarranted negative information and misinformation intended to cast a negative light on the project or contributors is considered malicious.

tribal parcel
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RIP Nezah [*] 🫡 I think moderation should move into more automatic system with in-game chat filtering etc to avoid unnecessary drama. It's the only game I played where I even know who the moderator is by their @discord name.

inland trellis
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With grubby and uthermal coming to BAR and in future game releasing to steam, it will benefit the game if there's a chat filter and the mute function is fixed (allow ping wheel to be usable while muted so that people can coordinate for t2 con/tactics etc)

empty heart
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^yeah we dont need people having slurs broadcasted because of bozos griefing streamers

inland trellis
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It's definitely a positive if game doesn't allow the words that might result into streamers thinking about deleting their VODs or streaming with a delay

fair shore
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I think we could compromise by having a Slursday Night weekly

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plus donor death threat privileges

pallid shale
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How many reports could a chat filter potentially negate ?

grim garden
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Probably none cuz people would work around it.

pallid shale
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Keeps chat filter off, reports people for bad language anyway

pallid shale
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In League of losers now, if you say the forbidden R-Word (in any context), you get muted automatically for the rest of the match, lol, which seems kinda developmentally-delayed to me. :I

inland trellis
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ah yes people might go around the chat filter so just dont impliment it

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might aswell delete the CoC bcz people can go around it