New Map Named : Curved

[sleek holly]

An inverted Supreme Straight map where the land is water and the water is land!

[rose sedge]

Hm... Actually i'm curious how crazy an idea to implement map invertion in the BAR

[sharp nexus]

well considering water is just a level setting, I wouldn't be surprised if it's not possible

but you could invert based on default water level or something I suppose

[edgy basin]

Spring.SetHeightMapFunc(function()
  for z=0,Game.mapSizeZ, Game.squareSize do
    for x=0,Game.mapSizeX, Game.squareSize do
      Spring.SetHeightMap( x, z, -Spring.GetGroundHeight ( x, z ))
    end
  end
end)

[rose sedge]

Can you try implement this as modoption? 😄

[stuck patio]

I hope so, that'd be brilliant if so.

As a simpler but complimentary mod, can you invert maps along an axis? As when inverted, some might benefit from vertically flipping too.

[stuck patio]

semi related but you'd know this I suspect; is it possible to turn acid or lava into water? Eg if you wanted to raise water levels, to turn a lava map into something flooded and boatable?

[sleek holly]

Looking good this could be the beginning of someone great

Should the beach Cliffs still be cliffs ?

[cedar oracle]

Good Bait Post

[hot lake]

thats cursed

i like that
gives me an idea

[edgy basin]

DSDR 5.3 inverted

[sharp nexus]

I have so many mixed feelings

[stuck patio]

this should be a plugin/option, along with axis inversion

combined with water levels that gives whole new aspects to maps

[tacit tangle]

dsd is so good that an inverted version of it is still a good map

[stuck patio]

is this possible to do, @edgy basin ?

likewise & related, is it possible to toggle acid/lava back into water again?

[cobalt matrix]

Inverted dsds looks fun

Now do ascendancy lol

Would be very different map

Would probably need offset to not make it all flooded

[stuck patio]

already done

I'd like to see an inverted, rotated and flooded ascendency

as is flooded works fairly well

[cobalt matrix]

Where's that?

[cobalt matrix]

Looks cool ngl

Plasma probably op af on whole map now tho

[stuck patio]

turn bottom into a sea, would be less of a bloodbath

[brazen garden]

im still gonne sit in that canyon in the middle with my jammer

[junior prairie]

Where do you put this lua code? Looks fun to play with

[edgy basin]

I have a dev build, so I just put it in some gadget code.
I will need to put extra effort into making this a multiplayer-valid option

[edgy basin]

https://github.com/beyond-all-reason/Beyond-All-Reason/commit/ce05fc2add15ec4e228428d2f2c17779e4284b40
Alright, map inversion is live.

Under Experimental modoptions, Adv Options, set Debug Commands to invertmap or invertmap wet

invertmap inverts the map, and sets the lowest point at elevation 0, water level.
Water level can be set to choose the level of flooding of the inverted map.

invertmap wet inverts the map around the waterlevel.

[rose sedge]

invertmap wet is not working on SPADS.

It's working in SP though

[edgy basin]

Is the space causing issues?

[rose sedge]

I think so

I think the main problem with inverted maps is that inverted maps feels flat

I think it's could be lightning position problem

Hm... Though no, seems like it's texture problems

[tribal snow]

did you change how normalmap is handled at all?

if the heightmap is inverted but normalmap is left as is, it's kinda working against the inversion

might be best to just disable it, the textures still arent fit for inversion but it will be less bad

[edgy basin]

https://github.com/beyond-all-reason/spring/blob/eeb94e348dec92352a091402ed63a0a329edb074/rts/Lua/LuaSyncedCtrl.cpp#L5652
I am not seeing any way to control normalmap in LuaSyncedCtrl

[tidal frost]

is this working live/multiplayer? I love this 😛

double the maps with such a simple idea

[edgy basin]

It should be working in live.
Let me know if you get a game to work with it.
There are bound to be some odd behaviors

[rose sedge]

Imagine to have feature that double map size by mirroring map in some direction.

[tidal frost]

I think i've found a handful of maps that don't seem to work...

great divide, faster than light...

[edgy basin]

Oh, flooded forge has very muddy water

[edgy basin]

I think maps set with notDeformable = true, interfere with the inversion?

[tidal frost]

Gehenna rising needs -225 water level and then it kinda works 🙂

[stuck patio]

some initial feedback:

firstly, thankyou for messing about with this so much, it's a great way to add more map value & variety

some maps, also need pre-game mirroring, eg Ascendency inverted is fun as heck BUT you have to rotate camera to be able to see into the top pit - which means your minimap is broken. Only solution is vertical flipping as another option, -hopefully- an easy one though?

Related ideas and queries;

'height multiplier', eg 'heightmult 0.5' would make a map flatter on average; pits half as deep, mountains half as high. 3.0 on the other hand, would triple the peaks and troughs, and if you combined that with inverted, you could turn say Plethora of Ponds into Plethora of Mountains. Unsure if there are engine limits somewhere, eg if you gave say Glitters, *10, might cause Some Weirdness.

Some flooded maps have Water of Undesirable Appearance, is this changable via debug options?

Can acid and lava be turned back into water via options in some way? I see you managed to flood inverse Forge so I assume so, but unclear how?

We'll be doing more map madness later tonight, with inverted especially, so I'll have more feedback for you then!

[stuck patio]

some more feedback; a mex refused to build at one point, it started, but just sat there, until I moved the com a lot closer. Another player elsewhere had the same; this was Folsom Dam.

another player, on ice scream, was convinced it was harder to build on terrain. I would have thought that should be the exact same post-inversion?

the biggest issue so far is that visual highlights for 'high' ground and low, are inverted, which causes weird optical illusions. Entrenched is a good example of this

related, you cannot un-set debug options once they're set, eg blank string is not acceptable parameter. nor does the 'reset' option appear to work, which feels like a bug to me