More maps with underwater geos; enable underwater T2 hazardous geos | Beyond All Reason | BAR | Page 1

worn spruce Jul 18, 2023, 4:44 PM

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To the tune of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LuI9PDIpnNA:

Underwater geos, underwater
Underwater power that has under t'water sunk
They're built in the sea by the floating tier one cons
Underwater geos, underwater

They've got hydrothemal vents in their underwater trunk
From the deep seafloor they give you a neat chunk
If a submarine raids them, there's an underwater 💥 bonk
Underwater geos, underwater

Now, as I was writing this suggestion and finding rhymes to stonks @cold bramble has pointed out that T1 geos already exist. Sick! How come they're not used more?

One of the common issues with naval play in BAR is that the terrain is... a bit boring. It's all a flat plane, and there's little to fight over but metal. Well, suppose we had geos to fight over? That's not much, but it's something, right?

T1 geo is indeed on the construction ship buildlist and it can be built underwater:
https://github.com/beyond-all-reason/Beyond-All-Reason/blob/master/units/CorShips/corcs.lua
https://github.com/beyond-all-reason/Beyond-All-Reason/blob/master/units/CorBuildings/LandEconomy/corgeo.lua

I would also love to be able to upgrade them to T2, which is half of the suggestion. I think it's perfectly fine to just have the hazardous variant, there's no need to bother with getting the Cerberus underwater-capable, and the Prude can be disabled underwater for balance of options.

The rest of this request is to mappers - use this tool more! 😄

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More maps with underwater geos; enable underwater T2 hazardous geos

cold bramble Jul 18, 2023, 4:52 PM

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Tbh, I’m a cortex player and I wouldn’t mind arm getting an underwater prude. The prude will be less useful underwater than on land because of the way water suppresses AOE.

worn spruce Jul 18, 2023, 4:53 PM

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Changed the title to account for the fact that this is literally a O(1)-liner game-side, most likely. 😄

cold bramble Jul 18, 2023, 4:53 PM

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4-liner. 😛

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Gotta change 4 units!

worn spruce Jul 18, 2023, 4:53 PM

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There. 😄 4 units though? T2 naval cons...? oh and the geos? yeah

torpid stratus Jul 18, 2023, 4:55 PM

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Air geo when?

cold bramble Jul 18, 2023, 4:56 PM

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Ultimately it’d be fun to give cortex an alternate underwater Cerberus, but it’s not at all necessary for my purposes.

cold bramble Jul 18, 2023, 4:57 PM

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torpid stratus Air geo when?

We call that “geo on a mountain”

spring pewter Jul 18, 2023, 5:25 PM

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can someone with access to the game load this up and look, I could swear there's an UW geo in the lower-left and upper-right

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angel crossing

worn spruce Jul 19, 2023, 8:28 AM

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spring pewter can someone with access to the game load this up and look, I could swear there's...

nay, it's above ground in the current version of the game; it may have been the case previously

whole elbow Jul 19, 2023, 9:53 AM

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There should be underwater geo indeed, no reason not to

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if you nuke the geo point, does it appear underwater now, like mex points do ?

twin berry Jul 19, 2023, 8:49 PM

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torpid stratus Air geo when?

Legit where’s the floating sky geothermal? troll

cold bramble Aug 17, 2023, 1:14 PM

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@high seal I am approaching the release of Jade Empress 1.1. Did anything come of this?

high seal Aug 17, 2023, 2:55 PM

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cold bramble <@162544899789553664> I am approaching the release of Jade Empress 1.1. Did any...

atm still on vacation here. Will be fully back in after next week!

rigid steeple Aug 19, 2023, 1:55 AM

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with the option of inverted maps, and the tendency for people to put geo points on top of elevated positions in traditional map design, the need for water geos is greater than ever 😀

twin berry Aug 19, 2023, 10:54 AM

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I feel like an underwater geo should be T2, since I feel there’s need to be an upgrade in tech for it to be usable in water as well as the thermal system not being flooded

cold bramble Aug 19, 2023, 11:42 AM

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twin berry I feel like an underwater geo should be T2, since I feel there’s need to be an u...

T1 navy already has a geo, mappers just aren't using it. T2 does not. Navy has precious little variety in the energy, so water geos will help.

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In my specific case, I want to discourage building tidals in the corners of Jade Empress, but not starve navy players of energy. Geos are a great way to accomplish that.

whole elbow Aug 21, 2023, 9:14 AM

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there should be underwater geo as well as offshore wind turbines imo

twin berry Aug 21, 2023, 12:04 PM

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Turbines would be an interesting T2 idea for a windmill, since there aren’t any turbines yet in the game(I think the tidal generator isn’t a turbine?)

wind summit Aug 21, 2023, 3:50 PM

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twin berry Turbines would be an interesting T2 idea for a windmill, since there aren’t any ...

it depends on the turbine definition you're asking for? in game, the things we call windmills for short are...

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and the tidal generators,

whole elbow Aug 21, 2023, 4:27 PM

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twin berry Turbines would be an interesting T2 idea for a windmill, since there aren’t any ...

you mean like river turbines ? that's be difficult, you'd need to add currents and stuff

twin berry Aug 21, 2023, 4:32 PM

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wind summit it depends on the turbine definition you're asking for? in game, the things we c...

Well I meant a literal turbine and not a windmill, but the example that is shown with the one for tidal waves is a good example

twin berry Aug 21, 2023, 4:33 PM

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whole elbow you mean like river turbines ? that's be difficult, you'd need to add currents a...

emoji_57 THERE ARE RIVER TURBINES? LIKE HYDROPLANTS?

whole elbow Aug 21, 2023, 4:41 PM

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ofc

delicate sinew Aug 23, 2023, 5:22 AM

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Sea eco doesn’t need to be a copy of land please

solemn bough Aug 23, 2023, 7:39 AM

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Geo is a good idea tho

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Gives reason to contest sea, especially if its far out

delicate sinew Aug 23, 2023, 8:51 AM

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You don’t contest mex spots?

whole elbow Aug 23, 2023, 9:06 AM

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delicate sinew Sea eco doesn’t need to be a copy of land please

then make new energy sources

delicate sinew Aug 23, 2023, 9:06 AM

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whole elbow then make new energy sources

Why

whole elbow Aug 23, 2023, 9:06 AM

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there's plenty of possible stuff, current turbines, wave turbines, thermal solar plants...

whole elbow Aug 23, 2023, 9:08 AM

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delicate sinew Why

because atm you have normal fusion and tidal. It's boring. Lacks variety.

solemn bough Aug 23, 2023, 9:08 AM

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delicate sinew You don’t contest mex spots?

Also aircraft carriers :3

delicate sinew Aug 23, 2023, 9:08 AM

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It’s interesting that it’s not like land

solemn bough Aug 23, 2023, 9:09 AM

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275e a pop

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That was meant for hallu oops

twin berry Aug 23, 2023, 1:12 PM

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whole elbow there's plenty of possible stuff, current turbines, wave turbines, thermal solar...

Really makes me wanna go down the rabbit hole of energy sources potentially available.

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Some cool futuristic stuff could also be considered if you think about the fact that it’s likely far far future

solemn bough Aug 23, 2023, 1:33 PM

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Antimatter generator

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Eats 100 metal, generates 10000 e

whole elbow Aug 23, 2023, 2:14 PM

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Technically a nuclear plant transforms metal into energy already.

cold bramble Aug 23, 2023, 2:15 PM

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I think such a structure would be miserable to manage.

twin berry Aug 23, 2023, 2:22 PM

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I think such a structure is incredibly easy to manage, if you consider the fact that you can argue the EXACT SAME THING with the energy converters

cold bramble Aug 23, 2023, 2:24 PM

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That's because it's only one-way though. If you added a reactor that eats metal, now you've made a loop. Metal makes energy makes metal makes energy makes metal makes energy ad infinitum.

solemn bough Aug 23, 2023, 2:56 PM

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Thats the point

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You really dont wanna stall. Could be legion Afus. 4k energy profit

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With a twist ofc

wind summit Aug 23, 2023, 3:05 PM

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i didn't like this idea until i heard "legion afus", then it started sounding like an excellent fit.

unreal lodge Aug 23, 2023, 5:52 PM

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cold bramble Ultimately it’d be fun to give cortex an alternate underwater Cerberus, but it’s...

could fire long-ranged underwater lasers, as the commander does

unreal lodge Aug 23, 2023, 5:54 PM

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whole elbow There should be underwater geo indeed, no reason not to

there is, when flooding maps various, sometimes geos end up underwater, and they can be made into T1 geothermals

wind summit Aug 23, 2023, 6:11 PM

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as far as what was being discussed above with "we need more kinds of turbines"...i don't think aesthetic is really what a new eco structure, if one were to even be considered, should be designed around. theoretical new naval eco structure also really shouldn't destroy be functionally a copy of a land eco structure (aside from naval t2 geos seeming like they probably should exist and would allow for some more options with map design/yielding better results when flooding existing maps)

unreal lodge Aug 23, 2023, 6:16 PM

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sea eco is underwhelming right now, it's costly, fragile, and inefficient

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given fragility and sheer annoyance, eg derping boat pathing, it should be worth more than it is. also makes sense as cooling systems with infinite seawater are a lot more efficient...

wind summit Aug 23, 2023, 7:17 PM

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at t1, that largely comes down to the fact that most maps have op wind and not op tidal. at t2...at least your fusions require sonar to find and units with torpedoes/depth charges to kill? i still think t2 naval eco would be fine if its converters got a small buff to their conversion ratio, combined with next engine update making naval cons/engis far less derpy (well, all cons, but naval ones suffer the most currently)

unreal lodge Sep 23, 2023, 4:29 AM

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So ... any reason for me not to make this?

#More maps with underwater geos; enable underwater T2 hazardous geos